These points are very well argued, great job. I think it's really clear to see who has played a lot of the older games, because it's these people who realise the game is clearly drastically changing. Will these changes be bad? No, especially not to most of us who trust fromsoft to make a great game. But they are probably the most drastic changes AC has ever had, and that's definitely a valid discussion to have
A lot of the fears stem from the changing of genres, basically. For the first time in any AC game, we're moving away from a 3rd person shooter/ pilot simulator towards more of an Action RPG formula. It was a huge shift moving from 3rd gen (Tanks) to 4th gen (Jet fighters), but they've always had that simulator feel. This is completely different. Armored Core has always been a one-of-a-kind game, and moving to these new gameplay designs has a real risk of making it "just another action game, but with mechs!" And that's really, really sad to think about if it's true.
Honestly, FROM can't satisfy everyone. It has been 10 years and any version of AC6 they put out would piss off somebody. Been telling everyone: Just wait for X gen rebalance mod, then everyone can be happy. This engine is so easy to mod and AC6 can become the custom AC game of your dream.
I was also thinking that maybe this game was made this way as a step-in gen 6 because AC games always have more than one game in a gen so the next game after AC6 could tone down the souls-like elements making this first game in gen 6 just an easier step-in for newcomers which is understandable.
Yeah I absolutely hate some people's reaction to the complaints. Saying Armored Core games were shit before and they are now modernized so we shouldn't complain is a straight up lie.
Yeah people on reddit are just straight up shilling for this game and saying we shouldn't complain about anything we saw on the presentation. Consoom product, dont ask questions, get excited for next product.
The building and shop was always great. Gameplaywise its really not that special. The game does most of the aiming for you anyway, and 90% of it comes down to building the right mech and trading dps. There absolutely needs to be a better combat system in 2023
@@mariosubatrop3080 the only combat that was lacking was melee combat imo, now we have more melee options. The shooting worked fine for a thrid person action / shooter game
I just hope that the guns won't be nerfed as a result of a bigger focus on melee combat. I still wanna mow down enemies with a retarded 4x minigun build
If anything it probably means melee is gonna be nerfed not guns since you can hit with melee easier. In old games the moonlight can kill and ac in 4 hits but I doubt that’s gonna happen now
@@billyboleson2830 with how fluid and user friendly the controls and overall gameplay seem to be, I definitely think that PvP is going to be dominated by High Stand-Off Capability builds. While melee will be relegated to PvE. Imagine Call of Duty, but you also have a pretty hard lock that auto aims your gun for you and it only breaks that lock when it exits your peripheral vision. I'd just get the mech equivalent of a 7.62x51mm battle rifle, hold the fire button, and run backwards when needed.
Hope things get better for you and your family bro. I went through something like this with my own Father last year and it wasn't fun. Praying for you.
Great vid, your points fall in line with what I have noticed as well. One point I hear often that you adress well in this vid is the "wait till you play" argument. We are going to buy the game and give it the benefit of the doubt and even play it with an open mind. With that said, most people havent played an AC game so they do need a point of reference to understand what theyre seeing. So I understand they would say something along the lines of: "wait until you play it" When it comes to players who have extensive experience with the franchise as well as souls, the latest gameplay footage, like you mentionned, already answers what are the major gameplay changes. Theres a reason people usually say wait until you see some gameplay. The gameplay changes are clear and also are a departure from the core AC combat. I cannot stress enough how the unbreakable lock on will remove a large portion of what made AC combat enjoyable. We are not talking about accessibility in terms of ease of access like when AC introduced the standard of controlling the camera with a stick, no were talking about a fundamental gameplay change that will remove a lot of core fighting elements to combat. Anw, much love, Im sure youll get through your hardship stronger
Well vatii did mention hard lock on is optional, also i didnt find when some one said it was an unbreakable lock, maybe the person who was playing was manualy strafing ,maybe work similar to 4 "hard" lock on, that You need to still have the enemy in You view, and the lock will only Focus on that enemy, maybe i say maybe. I hope you understand what i'm trying to tell you.
This game releases in two months and the only multiplayer in it is the arena so a network test would only be that. You'll only get your hands on AC VI at release
I'm still excited for this game, but after playing through the older armored core games I do definitely share some of the skepticism and understand the disappointment. Like I'm sure it'll be a fun game, but even though I was late to the Armored Core party I really liked the unique things those games had to offer!
@@nisnast I don't feel it was a mistake because I still had a good time playing them, but it's probably not as indicative of what AC6 is going to be as I thought it would be
@@nisnast If you enjoyed it, it wasn't a mistake. ... Unless it's ruined AC6 for you because now you have opinions on what is and isn't a "real" Armored Core game. In which case, all I can say is "Welcome, Raven."
@@CptJistucethis, basically I loved them, every single one of them, AC is my favorite series now, no doubt about it. But I think it was a mistake to play them because now I won't be able to enjoy AC VI, I'll constantly be comparing the old games to the new one and be making "what if" scenarios in my head. I just hate this, dude...
On the topic of mech customization, I remember the countless hours I spent, tailoring my AC to conquer an arena opponent. The countless deaths to Werehound in AC2 and his dual machine guns. The challenge in AC for me has always been designing a purpose built mech and learning how to pilot it, and repeating that process countless times. Each time learning something new, adding a new skill to my repertoire until the final fight on the final mission where my mech is invariably as light as it can be with the Kurosawa.
@@Garl_Vinland It's same as most of the older souls. Tank builds can be a helpful crutch. Sure they aren't usually optimal, but they may get a player a win much faster in fewer attempts. A havel monster spamming r1 with a curved sword or magic without a thought on positioning or when they're safe to heal is easier to win for someone new to the series than an optimal build. Same thing poking out from a great shield using a spear. But most people as they get better will desire to play the game in a more satisfying engaging way. You lose some damage (endurance regen, wasted stat points, one-handing etc) from this shield or the suit of plate armor, and so you there's memes about the most intimidating player in souls game being a naked dude with a club. AC is the same thing to a less exaggerated extent imo. You can brute force without having to learn how to evade stuff, and just slapping on your strongest weapons and gear and focusing on aiming and that's sometimes the best approach for a mission. But as people get better they might prefer a more dynamic playstyle with a lot of air strafing while aiming, attempting to outmaneuver and get behind the enemy, focusing more on blading, etc. So heavy isn't really a noob-trap, it can actually be the easiest way to get a win. It'll just often not be optimal.
@@ハク-q6e1jlong missions doesn't justify when acv had them difference here is they are intentionally making you squishy here so boss's may one shot you
@@alphawolf1786 well, are they? we havent seen any of the tanky build acs yet. all we've seen are the fast light to medium ones so far. And last I remember even in the older gen, you'd get demolished in seconds by enemy AC bosses anyway.
@@cheekybreeky3775well one of the devs confirmed in the Korean interview that even at 60 percent hp we won't be safe so I'll keep a open mind like you said we really haven't seen any heavy AC gameplay to determine if that's truly the case here with repair kits being added
* rolls into pre boss room holding a giant two handed moonlight blade using a max hydraulics stat damage build* * rolls around waiting for player to join after putting down a droppod flare * * chugs 3 repair kit flasks with attack power buff* *enters room, orchestra music goes crazy giant health bar appears for a boss named chromus, savior of mirage corporation*
@skeltaldelegate5408 personally I don't mind it at all ofc I want the weighty mech sim feel with credits being tied to my ammo and damage but I totally get why people are upset and agree with the points presented
orchestra × armored core ... cmon man, you have seen the trailer of ac6 and the music in it. also from software basically have an in house music band exclusively for only AC games' music. they are not gonna play soulsborne esque orchestra and sh't for AC6 bosses ffs
I was worried about AC6, since its reveal. I had been super hyped for their Tenchu reboot, but then it turned into Sekiro. I realized that staying true to the series was never going to beat “just make another Souls game, lol”, at From Soft
Even though I'm personally interested in a Soulsish AC game, my heart aches for the pissed off minority. When you find your niche it means everything to you. Nothing sucks more than to see your favorite series bastardized with modern conventions. I recall my frustration when CoD adopted regenerating health, the survival horror genre altogether turned into action horror, Rainbow Six (even though I love Siege) ditched campaign mode entirely, and Zelda being turned into a Ubisoft-like. Gotta enjoy your favorite games while they last, and always be looking for your next favorite thing before it dies.
The same thing happened to me when it came to Monster Hunter rise. The game itself is not bad by any means. You could argue that it is a really great game, a fair argument to make. However as a person who played the DS titles it is NOT Monster Hunter. The game got trivialized which is fine because that expands the audience for Capcom. However it lost a lot of the charm that me and a lot of the older players had for it.
I was seeing old Zelda fans being upset that BotW and TotK changed the formula completely and I simply could not empathize since I never cared for old Zelda games and I liked BotW a lot. Now, seemingly to make me understand their pain, the universe has deemed fit to do this with Armored Core. I've learned my lesson.
No you're just a gatekeeping elitist. Zelda being turned into a ubisoft-like? This has to be the worst take in service of an even worse take I have ever seen. Have you played BotW or TotK? They are nothing like a ubisoft open world game, to the point that that BotW literally reinvented the openworld genre by using environmental story telling instead of 8 billion icons on the map to direct you. You have kinda of debunked your own point here, if BotW is your example of an established IP jumping the shark... Hmm, I think AC VI will be something pretty special in that case.
These souls players who never really experienced the classic AC gameplay and shits on the old AC players for criticizing the changes kinda remind me of the "casuals" that they love to shit on everytime they ask for an easy mode in souls games. You guys don't want the souls games to be streamlined and "easy" as much as we AC players don't want it to drastically change, simple as that.
It's an unfortunate byproduct of the series getting so popular. ER expanded the From audience massively and overnight. When long time souls players criticized certain elements of the game, you'd get the same crap from people who's first experience was ER and would here nothing bad about it. Perhaps unfortunately the new players with zero perspective on the series outnumbered people playing it for years. Now with AC the problem is the same, but 10x as obvious. One there's a gigantic gap between people who've played the old series (and particularly people who watched it change and understand its history), and people who are interested in AC6 because From. Like we're talking 50x as many people in the second camp if I had to guess. And the changes here are much larger than happened between ER and DS3. So you have a lot of people saying fans aren't valid in being disappointed with certain changes that they themselves don't understand, and the group saying that is massively larger than actual old fans. This is my perspective as a long time souls player who was only peripherally aware of AC, and only played some in the last couple years. I feel for you guys. Honestly anytime you get kids into a fandom it kinda destroys all the reasonable discourse, not because every kid is incapable of good discussion, but just because you reach a critical mass of bad mindless takes and regurgitating of talking points. I hope you still find some enjoyment in AC. It might not be how people wanted it to return, but it's cool it even happened. I never expected it (my bro's been waiting on an AC since For Answer lol). Maybe it would have been better if it returned with 1/3 the budget and so it could be considered a success while maintaining its niche appeal, but frankly I'm amazed From gambled on reviving the entry either way.
@@das6109 not a gamble, they know soulstards will buy anything with MiyzaCUNT's name on it (heck, they've been buying the same game over and over for a decade lol)
@@das6109Brother you really hit the nail on the head here. This is very much something that I fear for aswell and also saw happen with Elden Ring. From Soft games are getting big so fast that I fear they are going to fall in to the "appeal to a wider audience" trap, while what I really liked about their games was that they seemed to have this attitude where they just made what they wanted and if you like it you are welcome and if you don't then they don't really care either. Making AC6 more Souls like because they know the Souls formula will sell does not really reflect that attitude they had imo.
@@joshualap401 I do get where you're coming from. The only thing that makes me happy is Miyazaki is at the helm and he does seem to be someone who will just make things he wants to. When asked about ER's insane success anyone else would say 'yeah we'll double down on this', but I think he'll just make the next project he wants to and am hopeful that whatever comes next for souls won't be open world. Reviving AC at all was a big risk that speaks to doing whatever he feels like lol. The only problem is what he feels like making with AC might not mesh well with the series roots, or what its original fan base wanted. It's worth remembering that his first games he directed were AC4 and AC:FA. At that time he also diverged hard from the gameplay, speed, and presentation of the first three AC gens without completely throwing out the appeal of the genre. To my understanding the games are divisive, but even for a lot of the fans at the time of their release, they became some of their favorite entries (For Answer in particular). I think Miyazaki will continue to make stuff how he wants, so I hope whatever he wants is something that old AC fans will find enjoyable. The big popularity rise of the developer I find has caused way more problems with the community (especially diluting anyone who actually played AC out of conversation) than it has actually affected Miyazaki's priorities.
what annoys me the most are the idiots saying you can just balance hard lock on by limiting its range because they dont realise that it would be most damaging to the core gameplay in close range fights where youre supposed to use movement, positioning and different combinations of parts to keep the enemy in your view and maintain your lock. hard lock on would have little to no effect in medium to long range fights where you're almost always locked on anyway and more focused on dodging and maintaining distance
@@ハク-q6e1j Sorry you're right, I'll withhold making a judgement about anything at all till Ive had first hand experience. Get real. Go eat dog turds bro maybe you'll like it? Can't knock it till you've tried it right? I've played enough AC to know how a soft lock Vs hard lock affects the gameplay and what I'm saying about a hard lock range is a logical conclusion and probably true unless they decide to make it easier to break lock before the game releases (unlikely). As for From intentionally making games bad, I don't think any studio does, but Elden rings release and patch history show they don't even play their own games or understand the butterfly effect that is individual mechanics affecting the core experience. Ultimately the game is for elden ring players though so it makes sense it would appeal to casual play for people with no thumbs over an actual skillful experience.
@@ハク-q6e1j i know you arent buddy. dont worry ac6 will be designed just for people like you that can't read seven (7) whole sentences. just be careful you dont accidentally open the expanded stats screen little bro your brain will fry lol
@@FahrenheitEX You insult souls fans as if they are the bane of existence and turn around to act like this. How is there supposed to be a conversatio when you instinctually insult an entire playerbase based on one comment from one annoying cunt? Like jesus, the video is about having a proper conversation and discussion and rather than going that route you act exactly how the "souls fans" think the "armored vets" act.
these are really good points and the help me understand people who are still/got more skeptical about AC6 with more information. i feel like many of these souls-esk elements could've been far more palatable with good implementation -"estus" could've been an optional part with different versions. the weakest one heals very little but there's virtually no down time so you just pop it mid fight, medium has a longer downtime and prevents you from doing certain things for decent healing and the max variant requires you to plant fully on the ground for one hit of max healing -refill stations should heal you a decent bit and allow you to swap out weapons/refil your weapons if you want but NOT swap out your parts. make it so that there's an extra screen for what weapons you want your support/ the station to hold when you get there which adds another vector of customization as your support could be upgraded to carry more stuff or do certain things and that adds to the cost you pay at the end making you causious of how bloated you want those refill stations to be -reactionary bosses arent the worst but I prefer the chonky setpiece bosses of the old games and all they need is to add a few context-sensitive reactionary maneuvers to them. "oh you got up in giga base's face cus it only got the cannon now the main body rockets away for hit and run tactics like stigro without the blade" or maybe a big machine with energy blades like Jet... but a better fight. I'll probably be to absorbed in cool looking mech but after a while even ill get concerned
Dont use healing or refill stations, do S rank runs, and you've only seen 3 out of 40+ bosses. How are you already at this conclusion for the game? Comments like this reek of entitlement lmao. "Oh it's not AC3, im really getting CONCERNED here." Listen to yourself mate, it's not made for 25,000 niche fans, FROMSOFT has an obligation to appeal to as many people as possible to keep the business profitable. The Idea that you'd be "Concerned" about optional features because it brings more casual players in is a bit selfish. Literally you have the ability to not use any of them.
After watching Vaati's video's I started playing AC1 (I'm halfway through) and seeing this video really put it into perspective how much AC6 is not AC game. Sucks for AC fans, but now I personally have a whole series to play through and I'm having a lot of fun. It's gonna take me a while to get to 6
Play some more titles then; if you started at one, play at least Project Phantasma; as that game feels completely different from AC1 in many ways (the systems are more balanced, the controls are tighter, even if still clunky) Very few content creators play AC like it is actually played; specially arena fights. This is Armored Core, NOT souls.
I think that fromsoft is definitely catering to its fanbases from its other IP’s. And to be quite honest, im under the assumption that they know that Armored core fans are gonna play no matter what.
Making a totally new AC game for next-gen console likely cost a lot since Fromsoft need to buy tons of new sci-fi assets. They need to sold the game to souls fans if they want to make AC6 profitable.
I don’t necessarily think its a bad thing, i do however have a huge disdain for stun lock game play. Not that i think its a bad, but i do think its annoying how those game turns into a certain “meta” rather quickly. Im hoping that certain weight classes or leg types can avoid it and or be immune? Tank legs or heavy weight classes not getting stunned in exchange for less maneuverability and or only having decent straight line speed? Ill play no matter what cause this game is my childhood and now apart of my adulthood, but i have my hopes and preferences
@@Theogrn I don’t think stuns will work the same in pvp as it does in pve. There’s a stagger system based on poise damage in Elden Ring too, but it doesn’t work in pvp.
My only issue is that ACs are probably gonna be really squishy thanks to repair kits. Even glass canon ACs previously could take some hits but ideally it should be like bayonetta or dmc where healing Lowers ranking
I doubt it. There have been no indications the imply you're going to be squishier. The repair kits are implied to be for the fact that AC6 is going to have much larger and longer levels than what people are used to from the franchise along with, from what I understand, ending in a boss fight of some form. Every level being a lot longer/more intricate+ a boss at the end would be damn near impossible on AC's old formula, which makes sense since those levels rarely lasted over five minutes (when you knew what you were doing)
@@Adalon- AC's old formula was "longer levels have checkpoints where you get repaired and resupplied... so that it's even more humiliating when Nineball wrecks you."
@@Adalon- Yamamura has already said in an interview that "even at 60% AP the player might not be safe" so it's pretty much confirmed were gonna be glass cannons
As an AC fan who played a lot of gen 4 and some (VD) gen 5 in his teens, I’m worried about the direction they are taking the series in. At the same time though, longer levels does seem like we might need those boosts, but until public demos release we simply won’t know. I’ll admit, the hard lock on is the biggest gripe I have, and I just hope we get ECM and lock on disabling features, especially for multiplayer. The main problem is, if we have hard lock on, the enemy ai also has hard lock on, which has never been the case. If enemy acs had hard lock in previous games, it would have been hellish. I’m just hoping that they come to their senses and release regs built for OG AC fans, removing the lock on, adding more old school switching (all 4 weapons active means no cool weapon animations!), and getting rid of the flask and checkpoints to create something truly fun, maybe keep ammo resupplies, but idk, the thought of facing the level boss on empty, after a bit of damage and just going ham sounds really appealing, and adds a layer of difficulty that would appeal but also allow the new players to get to grips with what a true AC game feels like
If that is all your experience with AC then you are mostly wrong, since 4 and 5 where abrupt departures from what the established AC formula was up to that point. It is impressive to see how many people are complaining that this looks too souls like when this is hands down the closest Armored Core to the original formula that we've getting since Last Raven.
finally some vindication from someone who actually cares, there is so much wrong with modern gamers and their overt toxic positivity. its insane how so many uninformed people think they can lie and meme about real concerns about moving away from armored core, the dislikes the original fans and players experienced through the new reveal and how soulslike it behaves compared to armored core. thanks for doing a real deep dive on the series
Well, we won't live forever. The game is aimed at the more younger generation, which will be the next people who will bitch about the game when their time comes and complain about a new mechanic - much like us now. lol!
@@shinryuzero many things built for specific service and activities have names for a reason, if they want to move away from original armored core then get a new name The M16 isn't the AR-15, nor is the AR-15 an m4 They are all classified differently because of what they are and some young jimmy in 2023 can dress an AR-15 up to look like an M16 but it will never be one
@@MrSolidsnake293 True, if we're talking about a gun. But we're talking about a title of a game. Let's set aside the fact that the game needs to change for the new generation to actually get into - since well, the developers still need to make sure the title still survives in the future when all of us is either to old to play and support it - The reality is the AC series has changed quite a lot over the years and those "subtle changes" mentioned in the video are not subtle at all. The contradiction here are the facts that as each version of AC where produced, new mechanics are being added and some old ones are removed. Case in point are the limitations on parts, movement and booster just to name a few. You cannot deny the fact that AC5 is a VERY different game than the first AC, which also in my perspective AC:VD although supposed to be in the same universe as AC6 is much better (and harder) than AC5. You said that an AR-15 cannot be an M16, that's true. But, it doesn't mean an M16 cannot be improved does it? For example, in the case of the F-15C and F15EX II. Both came from the same designer, sharing the same designs and the same role yet the F15EX II is the better version of the multi-role fighter jet - even though they share the same design, all because of the upgrades made to the F-15EX II. But still, both are considered F-15 series. Both are different yet the same - same as every AC series. Another example would be the JRPG's in particular the Final Fantasy series. They moved from the standard turn base and pixel, to turn base 3D and now 3D and action genre of game. Yet, each and every game is the same - a Final Fantasy game, change for a different audience. And to be honest I don't like the action base FF because I'm a turn base guy when it comes to my JRPG's but, I still respect that those new FF action type games are still part of the ever growing FF franchise. As for AC6, I will not judge it prematurely and I do have another comment here stating why, but, as far as I know there are only 5-6 changes added in the game and the rest is still the same. Sure, I also don't like some of the changes I do know because of all the previews but AC6 still has what made the AC Series it is -Giant Mechs I can pilot that I can customize and blow things up, which deny it or not that's the reason we're all playing the game series from the very beginning.
@@shinryuzero agree to disagree. There is just to much to explain about your reply overall and I just don't have the heart. Understand that the M16 to ar-15 argument is ment as a topic to explain how even an M16 is desired in 2023 but the only way to get one is to go backwards. As for modern games... almost every single game in the last 10 years has tried to "future proof" itself or chase some artificial audience blindly to their demise. It is extremely rare for a game to change and be successful outside a small rise in players the first month and then stagnation all because they tried to entertain an audience that wouldn't be interested in staying for more than a trend.
You've never played it before but here you are calling people excited for this game "toxic positive". Have you developed a game before? Have you even designed a mech before? 90% I'm sure you haven't. What do you know? Just because you played an old psone game doesn't mean you know anything. I know because I started with AC project Phantasm, but atleast I don't pretend that I know better than actual genius game developers like FromSoftware devs. The least you can do is form an educated opinion. How? PLAY THE GAME FIRST.
I was a Souls fan before getting into AC. I only just got into AC last December. AC's formula was still new and fresh to me since I've only been playing it for a few months so I was hoping to get more of that. I'm still going to buy AC6 and I'm guaranteed to enjoy it but it does feel like I'm getting a robot themed entry in a series I've been playing since 2011.
Since when has Souls had guns, giant mechs, lock on missiles or flying? Just because the combat is based on dodging and telegraphed attacks doesn't make it a Souls game dude, I am so tired of this mindset where everything with even vague similarity to Dark Souls is suddenly a Souls-like.
@@GeorgePerakis The tldr answer to your question is basically "since now" My longer cringey response is this: I don't consider Souls-like a real genre or a proper term for From's games after 2009 but I say it sometimes since I'm too lazy to say what I really mean. What can't be denied is that Miyazaki has certain preferences when it comes to making games and his preferences have made From a ton of money. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring are 5 new IPs and yet they share a similar formula. Despite sharing a formula, every single game did something that the series has never done before, and two of those games completely ditched the medieval fantasy setting. So it doesn't matter what the setting or title of the game is, any game From makes can make room for Miyazaki's preferences if he desires. AC6 now has limited use healing items that can be restored, refill checkpoints scattered throughout a zone, difficult bosses with telegraphed attacks that will test your reactions, a new lock on system never before seen in the AC series, and apparently super punishing attacks if we're to trust the devs when they say you're not safe at 60% health. And you better believe that if they reveal that using the checkpoints will respawn enemies, people are going to be calling them bonfires/site of grace. "Souls-like" games didn't invent these features but they've been staples in games that Miyazaki has been making or influencing. They are also NOT bad features. However these features are not staples in AC games and old fans weren't particularly begging for these features to be added. This is what I meant when I implied that I'll feel like I'm playing something I've been playing since 2011. I mean I'm going to be experiencing these staple features again for the seventh time in a From Software game. I'm a huge Souls fan and Demon's Souls is in my top 5 games of all time. AC is a series I only picked up about 6-7 months ago. I still think AC6 is something to look forward to and I'm playing it day one. I can just empathize with a fan base that's been following a series for a while and were anticipating features that they consider staples in their series. They'll still get a good chunk of those features but maybe not at the same level as they wanted them to be. Quick side note, and I'm not saying this to you because you didn't say this but; It rubs me the wrong way when people accuse old AC fans of simply hating change, and that old AC fans just want the same thing over and over, yet they're praising AC6 for having the same features From's been using for 14 years across 5 IPs. AC as a series has evolved just as much as the Souls series if not more. Old AC fans can handle change and I hope they'll enjoy the new game as much as I will.
I just think it looks good as a battletech/Mechwarrior man armored core never spoke to me seemed too "acecombat of Mech games" I liked the big hefty feel of western mecha heck front mission franchise was my jam for Japanese mecha games this new one makes me interested in the series and learning the faster playstyle
Nah you’re definitely a liar, everything in the video is simply an evolution of previous Armored Core mechanics. Speaking as an old fan of 20 years, you’re a dork and your self victimization is honestly pathetic.
I just dont like how new fans brush off old fans like they werent responsible for why the franchise even still exists/has a fanbase to this day. Been a souls fan for give or take 7 years and have only recently heard of Armored Core. I dont blame AC vets being irked the wrong way when their beloved game is changed in many ways. All I could say is give it a chance, its Fromsoft, they rarely disappoint.
Exactly they're like go play the old games if you don't like this new one like bitch if it weren't for me this game wouldn't exist. If it weren't for motherfuckers like me constantly bitching about not having another armored cord game this armored core game would not even have shown up 10 years later
This whole situation feels very similar to what happened with The Legend Of Zelda and specifically BOTW. I've played the series since i was a wee 6 year old kid. And, while i both absolutely love BOTW and TOTK (the second being my new favourite game ever), those two games also took something away from me. No one does the classic Zelda formula but Nintendo.... so yeah i'm fucked in that respect, i'm never seeing another classic Zelda game with proper dungeons and puzzles. In this case, i've never played a AC game but im a die hard fan of the Souls series. So i'm gonna probably love this new AC to death... but I feel you. Something was taken away, and you might not get it back. It sucks.
@@bigboogabowser4371 also Hyper Light Drifter has some touches i've heard. But, again, as this video states, it's not the same. Im kinda sad that we finally got 2 amazing stories in a Zelda game where 90% is not just implied, and it had to be in the ones that deviate from the formula.
Respect for the reasoned opinions and for not bashing anyone, even when they may deserve it. Very curious to see how From manages difficulty since it does seem, to this souls fan at least, like some of the core types of difficulty in AC won’t be present. I’m hoping they subvert the mechanics in various ways to make more classic AC-style aiming still important or essential in specific situations, maybe by ACs being able to jam your hard lock-on or some weapons not being able to benefit. Regardless, I’m glad that the new features seem to mean melee-focused builds will be more practical than in previous games.
This is what's gonna happen. Step 1: People are gonna play about 6 to 8 hours and crack the formula of the game. Step 2: They will post it online. Step 3: ????. Step 4: The game is gonna be piss easy past this point. Whinging about specific *SPECULATED MECHANICS* is pointless and show how stupid humanity has become.
None of the AC games were difficult gameplay wise. FS started that with the souls games. In AC the only difficulty comes from being badly equipped for specific missions/arenas. But you can breeze through every arena in any AC game with just a few different builds.
@@mariosubatrop3080 I don't buy that at all. Last Raven in particular is pretty brutal. And while you can build optimally for missions in AC, you can also respec reasonably frequently in later souls titles. Even before respecs players I've watched seem to just gravitate towards whatever is considered the brute force method in these games anyway. On the more passive/common side that's summoning two likely twinked phantoms in DS1 while using a great shield and the lightning spear you picked up in Sen's replacing your Drake sword. On the more actively chasing cheese side that's doing the same, but decked as a havel mage monster. Jumping ahead a decade beating Malenia with three people spamming bleed is close to stunlocking to death. Mohg people kill with a laser before he makes a single attack. These are the 'super hard' missions of our latest soul game. Some AC missions take a lot better mechanical skill and decision making with an optimal mission build than any boss in most souls games. Can you argue some of the souls bosses are mechanically more complicated than anything in the average AC game? Sure I think you could. But if we're talking about making people making the game as trivial as they possible can, you can get far closer to autopilot in most souls games than AC. Bloodborne is a bit of an exception because of lacking auto win magic, tank set ups, or great shields. But on the other hand you can summon someone good enough to solo the boss, and many did on release. It's hard to get around that. Sekiro may be the only modern From game containing genuine challenge for people who make every effort to subvert it. AC6 might be the second if it doesn't let you summon, I guess we'll see how hard it's end game stuff is. Either way it'll be a different type of challenge from previous AC entries.
I dont mind most of the changes and I'm silently praying the repair kits won't make you too fragile, but I sincerely am going to miss desperately chasing enemies with my lockbox.
Sorry to break it to you but Yamamura has already said in an interview that "even at 60% AP, the player might not be safe". So, yeah, we're gonna be squish like in Elden Ring =/
@@nihilblue9669 Well the levels are going to be pretty big, so we'll need a lot of health. The distance between one checkpoint to the next will probably be equivalent to an entire level from the og games, or at least equivalent to the number of enemies and difficulty.
As someone who's looking forward to new game, i do have my concerns for some of the new systems will play but I'm going to reserve my final judgment when I play it and all I will say is stick to your guns when everyone else thinks you're the bad guy. Also this is probably best video describing the difference between fromsoftware series and mechanics and i don't know why people refuse to just talk about stuff mechanically instead of generally
Its completely understandable to be upset by the changes, as they are large. What you can and cant overlook is different for each person. 4th Gen was my least favorite Gen because for me a huge part of my enjoyment of AC is making Tank ACs and feeling like a tank, and AC4 had too much of a focus on speed and leveling the playing field in terms of defense for me to get that experience. For the same reason 5th gen is my favorite. Im sorry to hear that AC6 may not live up to your hopes for a modern AC game, but Im glad to hear that youll at least give it a try.
I'm hoping so! It's looking like they're putting effort into making each leg type have a unique play style. They might even be bringing hover legs back. I'll admit the recent gameplay footage has me a little bit nervous that it'll be too 4 like, but I'm staying optimistic.
Tbh, I think the design of this game was made in part due to the negative reception to AC V and Verdict Day. Since Armored Core as a franchise was already niche, the negative reception from the previous titles didn't help matters. It would explain at least from a business perspective why Fromsoft would be trying to incorporate mechanics from their more popular titles. I was genuinely surprised to hear anything about Armored Core to begin with, cause I thought that gen 5's reception had put the series on ice indefinitely. I think this game would really help with a demo just to see what gameplay feel is like.
I think the astronomical success of ER also has contributed a lot to the design, I also wonder how much interference has happened from bamco execs. I wouldn't be surprised if things like the estus and bonfires were mandated by corpos to try and help bring in souls fans.
@@austindecaux7895 Tbf, they'd kind of have to. Since the execs are in the business side of things, they'd want the game to sell well. And Armored Core has always been a niche game which even then polarized fans within the community. If I had one series of games with mostly positive reception and another series of games that barely pulled in any new fans, I'd be sweating too.
I think the critical thing for me is that, while 4 did have a lock on system, it was also so damn fast that you needed it. With 6 it looks like they slowed down the gameplay to be closer to 2nd/3rd gen, so keeping hard lock on really sounds like its gonna end up baby mode... Ill still play the campaign for sure but im worried that the pvp is gonna come down to who can meta stagger combo better instead of actually being able to pilot
This is way faster than 2nd/3rd gen AC games from what we've seen. It's usually just bunnyhops back then with a dash of boosters that comes with your core. Even though I only watched playthroughs of AC4, I find the speed of AC6 similar to it, if not slower but faster than ACV. Regardless, all will be answered once the game releases or they give us a demo. Still sure I'll be enjoying this game as much as I enjoyed Project Phantasma and AC3/SL. Might do a 180 if there's no Arena tho. Lol
I am an AC player, going WAY BACK. I was very excited when this game was announced (It was about time). I have the Premium Edition pre-ordered (I know, WAY overpriced). The gameplay videos to VI killed my hype for this game (Full Stop). I am keeping my pre-order though, for two reasons: 1.) It will ALWAYS hold it's value 2.) I think AC VI will still be a good game. I no longer look at Fires of Rubicon as an Armored Core game. I am just looking at it as a new Mech Game, with Souls style combat. To me, this game is just called "Fires of Rubicon" (I detach the Armored Core label in my mind). This is just a more original IP than a continuation of the AC series. If you aren't a long time AC player, then you will never understand long time fans issues with this game. We don't want "Armored Souls Core". In the game-play footage I don't see a Mech fighting. I see a "character" fighting enemies one by one. The melee attacks DO NOT look Mech-like. They look like a samurai (Sekiro) or Jehuty (Zone of the Enders) attacking an enemy. In no way shape or form do I see a big clunky Mech melee attacking an enemy in those shots. The "Freedom" of combat has vanished that used to be in older games. The AC series has always been about having any moment in combat possibly change because of the unpredictable nature of your enemies, especially other Ravens. You had to constantly keep re-adjusting to ever changing conditions. Now everything is predictable and routine, reaction based combat. Like I said previously, this WILL be a good game (Lots of Fun). Just don't call it an "ACTUAL" Armored Core game. It's most definitely not.
Yeah , dude , Im not a long time fan (I played all games from nexus to verdict day) , but even I do not like lock on , less customisation and repair kits . Truth is , if there would be large health pulls (like in the For Answer) , they dont need stupid heals , and in mission parts swap , just resuply stations for ammo , or possibly just bigger numbers of ammo. Also to mention this game is made by guy who directed sekiro , so sekiro combad is here , maybe next time they give this job to an AC veteran developer , and then we would see pure AC game
@@uwubodypillow6909 This game IS under an AC developer and director. Miyazaki cut his teeth in AC4, then he directed AC: For Answer (Best gameplay/game in the series). Yes, he also directed Sekiro. He should have known not to combine the two. I am sure fame and a proven/popular system was too good from a business standpoint not to do. It's the end of an era though. I do imagine that the Classic Armored Core is finished. It's just a shame that it had to end with that sub par "Verdict Day". No matter what though, I will always have my copy of "For Answer".
Played since AC1 and beat every single one on missions and arena. I don't care about people crying about changes. You don't see me here complaining they should go back to AC1 game play.
@@jacobtaylor7506 I don't know where you got that argument from. Not a single person has said to go backwards. Going foward is what everyone wants. They didn't go forward though did they? They took two games and mashed them together. Think MCU and fucking everything up with the whole "Multiverse" idea. You of all people should understand that AC is a very interesting game series with distinctive game-play and design. It's the end of an era for Armored Core. It's Armored Souls Core now and we all know it, including yourself.
Honestly the one thing i have learnt reading and participating in this whole discourse is that all this logical arguments are pointless. It is clear that the people telling the AC fans who do not like the changes to get fucked did not do that because they considered the points and disagreed about the fundemental concepts that makes an AC game an AC game. They are mainly saying that because some of us have the audacity to say that, even if it may be a good game (so not even saying it might be bad, god forbid we do that), it might not be the game we are looking forward to seeing initially. Basically to them our voices do not matter, and we should just be glad that From has even took the time out of their busy schedule to bless us with a game, and to critize any of it is basically being ungrateful. Even the game is closer to Gundam Breaker than AC
The entire argument on every change being an "improvement" Is basically, "your game was bad anyway, you should thank From it's being improved to be closer to a superior game, our game"
After thinking about it for a while, I think I came into a conclusion that pin points my worries about this upcoming game. The previous 5 generations (6 if you include .5) iterated on the formula with Gen 4 and 5 changing how we maneuver but not never how we tackle combat (as in when we are in the field). Yes 5th gen penalized us more for not bringing the proper tools to the fight but after that, once you're out of the garage, you're playing an armored core game albeit with a different movement system (or faster in the case of 4th gen). Gen 6 changes that... I'm not worried that it is being changed mind you, I'm just worried on what will be sacrificed by said change. Freeing up the right thumb originally used by the camera to focus more on maneuvering thanks to the enhanced melee system, new hard lock on mechanic and the "barely there" turn rate sounds like a great idea but it seems to only cater to close range mechs, same goes with the stagger mechanic and combo system to deliver critical hits (not to mention the knock back, where in if weapons have damage falloff, that will become another issue). Like seriously, if you were to build a mid to long range mech (like the quad leg from the first gameplay trailer), would you really care for these mechanics? Also, because of how the game is built with reaction in mind, i wonder how the hell do tank threads even fit this game and are they just a leg part of a bygone era since they move like cars now instead of tanks. I don't know anymore... I made peace with it... but not in a happy sort of way, more in the I feel empty sort of way. I'll still buy it and I'll meme around and try to beat the game as if it was a souls game just to see how bad did they mess it up.
@@gjg5789 Nah I'll still get it... i didn't wait 10 years to not buy it... its returning on a different form but oh well... I guess lots can happen in those times. Can't expect to have a return like how Doom 2016 did.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Which gen are you talking about, I've always used them and they are always slow AF, unless you are confusing glide quads or tank looking hover legs as "Tank Legs"
@@tehfoxxy9630 First game. I remember I tried them out expecting a more tank-like experience and was surprised with something else. They were just like the normal legs with different stats/animations from what I remember.
I'm a souls player but I am a little sad they've decided to "dumb it down" for me and new players to AC. I've had a blast watching your vids and am looking into emulating 4 answer rn, but yeah. Maybe its weird but I was interested in ac that it would be a game I would have to learn, like I wouldn't be able to pick up and play at even 50% proficiency. But ofc that's probably not conductive to making fat schmoney. Still yeah having played all dark souls (and enjoying ds2😈) and seeing all the gameplay and vids of ac, I don't really want the hard lock on. Thanks for the vid, sorry if apparently some creators asked your perspective just to crap on it or whatever you were getting at in the beginning that's fucked up. Yada yada, Henry Cavill video talking about fans being passionate not toxic. Thx and have a good day, hopefully the game is fun.
Same, it’s disheartening to see so many Souls fans that want the same game when 7 versions of it already exist. Almost all of those games are thematically about accepting change too, but ig people didn’t get the message
@@marciamakesmusic yea it looks like it has veen, unless you don't rank complexity and the proverbial 'dumbness' to be elements affecting the same spectrum of difficulty given the change to an 'easier' lock on system
@@beo3627 you people say "dumbed down" without playing the game or even seeing a dang hud. Just because something is different, doesn't make it dumbed down. sekiro was a much different game compared to dark souls. Is sekiro a dumbed down dark souls? No, because it has other things that some people would argue that makes it harder. wait for the release before you start throwing out accusations like "dumbed down".
Oof, that interview story is rough. You're very polite to not name them after being done that dirty. I'm part of the silent majority, but I still appreciate your efforts explaining your and others' position here.
I pretty much hold the same opinion! But the whole discourse around this game is just exhausting . "Soulslike" this, "stop complaining and gatekeeping” that. Usually I'm very excited about the discussion close to a games' release, but all this just sucks.
Its not that they can't see it, it's that they don't want to see it because at some level they would have to admit seeing one of their beloved franchises turned into a souls like would piss them off. It's okay when you don't care about that IP though.
Wow, a dodge? Nierlike confirmed! Boss fights with attack patterns? I can't believe AC is turning into a Mariolike! Lock on? Way to water down the AC formula with elements from star wars the force unleashed bro!
OMG bosses have actual attacks instead of just being giant bricks that you DPS down…just like Souls! Your mech can fly and fight in midair…just like Souls! The AC has two legs…just like Souls!
I can't say that I agree with every opinion in this video, even though I've been playing Armored Core since the PS2 games. Having said that, the one issue I do mainly have with the information we have is the repair kits. I was okay with the concept initially, because I was under the assumption that they would function in a more AC-esque way of being a long drawn out affair that left you vulnerable; meaning you couldn't use it during combat. After finding out that it's instant, however, and that your AP is functionally identical to a Souls HP bar rather than the comparatively massive health pools the player had in AC I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed in that regard.
After the reveal I decided to download and play AC last raven. As a new player it's tough, it's unforgiving and it's very fun. I look forward to seeing fromsofts new approach to AC after what they have learned from their last few games.
LR is a very difficult entry to start with. It's a great game and my favorite in the series but it expects that you know what you're doing from the beginning. I went back and played AC3 as my starting point and worked my way up to LR from there. I was much more prepared but it was still challenging.
id say having a lock feature makes sense for mechs as its a thing with irl fcs systems| but yeah, id say the to much soul influence may hinder the uniquness of the game. but i do want a more fast mech game with control, playing mech worriar does give me the "hi, you plan out your weapons, mess it up and tough luck" thing but it does also have the issue of one build to rule them all
I really can't believe the hard lock is perfect. I mean it's repeating that problem that V had but worst where after a point all pvp patches was a bunch of tank ACs with autocannons. If you and just stay on target perfectly, that really means tanks don't have that problem of some cheeky light jumping over them and keeping them in their rear arc. Pretty much means that tanks are really the only option in pvp. I'm pessimistic with game companies. I'm also not a person that thinks From Software can do no wrong. I mean they made Nija Blade and I own Nine Breaker, but the lock on system as it looks in the demo seems monumentally stupid to me unless the leg parts just work totally different or we're missing some heavy context.
The anti ratatosker video. Nice Honestly all this AC content makes me want to play the old games (especially Nexus, 4 and 'for answer' the story seems so cool) AC 6 looks straight up like mecha sekiro. Which will probably be Hella fun. But AC 6 does look like a whole different game and style and I haven't even played them yet.
I'm not too concerned with having to dodge more things with my boosters. Typically in missions I would mostly use quick boost to dodge missiles and sometimes heavy cannon fire. Quick boost is a fun mechanic and varied reasons to use it is a good thing in my opinion. I agree with being worried about sloppy boss fights or level design though. I want to be able to use whatever mech I have been refining and using to defeat the boss. If a boss REQUIRES a quick close range AC, and the next REQUIRES a tank-type missile boat, I will be sad.
I hate to say this as someone who is an AC newcomer, but I think gatekeeping is a good thing. I've seen what happened to other franchises that I loved, and I know the feeling of being a fan who wants to be super hyped about the cool new game, but can't help but feel like something special was lost in the pursuit of smoothing the gameplay out for a broader audience. Monster Hunter World did this, making a giant technical leap forward for the series, making the graphics better and the gameplay slicker, but somehow I haven't found the new games as satisfying as they were back when they still had their more "archaic" design elements left intact. Over the past few months I've played through AC 1, 2, 3, and am working on Silent Line, and I completely get where the gatekeepers are coming from. I feel that feeling of satisfaction that oldschool AC fans fell in love with, and I'm honestly a little sad knowing that the games they love might lose some of the character that they used to have. I do think that perhaps people might be jumping the gun a little considering we've seen very limited HUD-less gameplay so no one really has the full picture yet on what the final product will be, but I don't think they're wrong to be very defensive about the future of AC. I haven't played gen 4 or 5 AC yet so I myself don't have a complete picture of all that AC has been up to this point, but I honestly really hope this series doesn't become some midway point between Souls and AC (and I love the Souls games). TLDR: Gatekeeping is actually useful and its overhated, and homogenizing every series for a modern audience is a bad thing.
You're attributing a quality of big budget triple A game design that From has never fallen victim too, despite their success. As well, Japanese developers aren't as susceptible to american triple A success spiral, or the ubisoft model. Your just doomsaying to try to say something interesting, and your off the mark
@@brittig8983 You're just doomsaying to try to something interesting, and you're off the mark - and then reply to me in the least interesting way possible, so cool I guess, keep the streak going Brittig, I believe in you
@@Hasshodo 1. Everyone has never fallen victim to the pitfalls of triple A game design, until they did. I do have a ton of faith in From Software, but to ignore it as a possibility is naive. 2. My example of a game series that homogenized to suit a wider audience, was made by a Japanese developer. 3. No one is immune to the allure of big fat paychecks, especially when they're a company that flirted with bankruptcy for years before they finally hit it big with a winning formula that they then used and iterated upon exclusively and repeatedly for over a decade because it was successful every time. 4. I'm not doomsaying, I never said that AC was definitely going to turn into a Souls game with an AC skin, merely that I can understand why the OG fans are so defensive. In fact I even said that people are jumping the gun because we're going off of limited information. 5. Like I said, I love Souls games, I'd probably be pretty happy if this was more Souls like, but it doesn't change the fact that I'd feel bad for AC fans if they lost the series that meant so much to them.
@@brittig8983 My biggest complaint with the "OGs attitude" is that it's nothing new. It's cringey everytime it happens with each new From release. The arguments are always the same at the heart of it "From is making (insert game) easier to appeal to casuals" It's the same tired song and dance. None of those opinions should be entertained for that reason. Older AC fans should know better, they aren't kids anymore. I expect this kinda attitude from gen z 4channers but "old AC" should've outgrew this petulant paranoia, especially the victimhood complex when they get told to shut up and be patient. Ultimately all this doomsaying is just that - a lot of sounds and fury signifying nothing, and it'll change once the game releases. Most old AC fans will claim the game and then start being toxic like usual From fans once they see it's ok not to hate the game. A small percentage will still be grouchy old farts yelling at us to stop having fun with a "shit game"
The lack of healing and resupply is a big part of what makes armored core for me, it defines what engagements you can take and provides a good sense of progression as you progress past those restrictions and eventually reintroduce them in the process of optimization
I get how you feel. The issue I have is that when you are fighting bosses I haven't yet seen another Merc Pilot piloting a mech just as powerful, if not more powerful than your own that can exceed your speed and firepower. So far what I've seen is that the enemies have lackluster attacks and now they have.....TA-DA! attack patterns. Something which is unheard of in AC games.
@@jonathanclarke5763 really should of waited for the new gameplay we just got before saying all this. Why i kept telling you guys to stop complaining before we even saw anything
As someone who was never really into Souls but loved Armored Core as a kid and got back into the series a couple years ago. It's a bummer. The whole just sitting in the garage and theory crafting your mech. That's peak AC for me and a lot of the fun came from trying to figure out what worked and what didn't. I also.. just don't understand the point of the repair kits. 4-FA already had large AP pools. When you look at Vaati's mockup for the HUD. It shows a 4 digit AP pool like 1-3.5 gens. Not sure if that's what it'll be like in the final game but just seems kinda redundant. I also really liked the reliance on movement instead of the hard lock on. It made it feel more like mech combat in that the targeting computer would help but being able to aim and track your targets is what would always seperate good pilots from great pilots. I'm not less excited for it. I'm just not more excited for it after seeing the gameplay.
They are clearly combining them and that's the problem I want to pick up an armored core game and immediately get the feeling that armored core has I don't want dark souls in my armored core game
Not even Souls has an "unbreakable hard lock", there's a ton of agile DS3 bosses that jump around and break the lock quite often. Even some DS2 ones do it. So if AC6 has a lock that's ~80% as "solid" as Souls, it'll get broken quite often at these speeds, though it'll depend on your build.
It's crazy because i'm still hyped but your so right on so many level the estus and change assembly is things that I didnt want. Youre brave for making this video and it was a great video
I had the feeling something fishy was afoot when you said that podcast you were on had "audio issues". Honestly the more I distance myself from discussion of the game, the more my opinion mellows out, even knowing the game is gonna change a good deal. It's when these newcomers come in and start bashing anyone for not being as excited as they are, and insulting them by calling them basement dwelling boomers just for having an opinion, that I start souring again until I calm down. This game will be a quality experience, but it's gonna be different from AC games before, even more different than fifth gen is. It's not a Souls-like, just like how Sekiro isn't a Souls-like, but it definitely takes elements from Souls, and it's ignorant at best and gaslighting at worst to say otherwise. Speaking of gaslighting, I'm pretty sick of all the gaslighting going on from people trying to lecture old fans on how the old games played in an attempt to justify the changes. Just stop. Those of us that have played know it's BS. Still likely gonna thoroughly enjoy the game, maybe not as much as I enjoyed Last Raven, but it'll still be good. Maybe not GotY though, Hi-Fi Rush and Street Fighter 6 might get that from me instead.
I really appreciate your viewpoint on this, I'm still looking forward to the game but something deep down told me From was going to do something like this.
Yeah is they way they operate, they learn from their pass game and if something can be used to improve one of their game they do it, that’s why their game become more and more popular with every new one
@@OneTomato okay mashing together things from all of your other games doesn't necessarily make it improvements. It's staying within a certain comfort zone.
@@lucky13sj meshing together thing that can be helpful in another game is quite something is not comfort zone because they are not re-making the same game but they see something from their pass game that can fit in their new game and improve it, the same goes for Elden ring but for Elden ring is different since the premise is very similar to the souls game and there is no reason to remake something is is gonna be identical, because for example there is no reason re-do an sword animation if the previous sword animation is already perfect as it is. With AC is different, they didn’t just make another souls game, in fact the souls mechanics they put in AC are just a few and are mint ti fit the new design they made for AC, is nothing forced or out of place for the new one, they serve specific purpose in the overall game design
I thought I would hate an AC game with fixed direction lock. Then I remembered that Zone of the Enders had exactly that, and those games were extremely fun. This fixed direction lock also explains how it is possible to play with a mouse and keyboard. AC5 gen was the only entry in the entire franchise I dropped because I did not enjoy it. I turned a corner in one of the first 3 missions only to be instagibbed from full by an unnamed and unbriefed MT. AC games are power fantasy that encourage the player to master their designs and skill. I want to feel powerful and react to enemies before taking on hard challenges. I do not want to fight exclusively abusing Re:Zero deaths to beat a mission. All that matters is that AC6 feels fun to play. Fixed locking system or manual doesn't matter so long as it feels fun.
i've had this same feeling so far. i've had friends tell me that it's okay if they remove the things that make AC; AC, like the hard lock and lack of turn speed, just because they were kind of clunky for a few gens, it's insufferable trying to talk about armored core to just about anyone lmao
I think it looks like the best of both worlds, broadly. I'm not particularly bothered about the exact format the controls and raw mechanical difficulty take as long as I can whizz around in 3D space with a customised mech. It also looks to me like there's a mixture of both more old school ranged enemies and more soulsy reaction based enemies, which should offer some nice variety. I am a much bigger fan of Gundam (just in general, not the games specifically) than I am of Armored Core and I like that the combat seems to be leaning towards something that's a bit more fluid but also crunchier and higher impact at the same time, in line with what my favourite mecha stuff looks like. I also like the move towards more complex, traversable levels - Armored Core: For Answer is fun but it kind of loses the appeal that mecha are both ground *and* aerial machines. The repair kits seem a bit redundant though, and I'm not convinced by being able to change up your entire frame mid mission either.
Amazing how precisely you've put your finger on the pulse a month before the big hands on impressions videos that everyone made, I couldn't agree more. And to everyone trying to clown on you, even Vaati said you made good points. Great video, dude.
@@aboveaveragegaming6120 your video also meant a lot to me cause I honestly felt I was losing my mind, it was nice to see someone else who also had their reservations about AC VI and that I wasn't in fact crazy
Man, I played 2,3,silent line and 4 answer last month and loved them, can’t imagine how a longtime fan feels right now. I was ready to buy the collectors edition but now I’ll wait for reviews after launch. The worst part for me is the lack of categories in the garage and the posture system. I like the addition of checkpoints because that implies longer missions but being able to customize your mech after you die is so bad.
I definitely see how drastic the changes are. I have the feeling we're going to see the same pattern from previous AC games, where the first game of the generation will show how the gen will feel and then a follow up game will polish it up and have more depth and parts.
I'm gonna disagree on the statement that the 4th gen games were generally well received. They're still arguably the most divisive titles in the series. I still see heated debates in AC circles about how it was a mistake and 3rd gen is still the king. V and VD by contrast are never mentioned outside of asking for online group ups, it's almost like people just blot those games from their memory despite the even more drastic changes they made to the formula.
Gen 3 hands down. While I do appreciate the darker, bleaker tone of 4 and 4Answer, the gameplay is just too fast and unpleasant at times, and the mechs play all the same. In gen 3 every part seemed like it mattered in how your mech functioned, but all that is massively toned down in 4th gen in favor of speed. Also the level design, which was nothing to write home about in the previous gens, is even duller and emptier.
I am not an Armored Core vet by any measure but I have been really irritated by people dismissively calling fans who do not like the *significant* changes that have been made gatekeepers. Really? You're not allowed to be unhappy about a series you love being changed? I went through this with the Monster Hunter fandom but at least there were less accusations of gatekeeping there.
They're Souls fans and redditors, an unholy matrimony. The most insufferable gaming fanbase combined with the group that fears gatekeeping because they themselves need to be gatekept.
"we modernized this parts for the new game. Since we felt they were too stiff for what we're looking for" Elitist basement dweller: "reeeeee" Sorry but I haven't seen a single real problem with anything in the gameplay. And even less read someone making a good argument about why the changes are "wrong". Gatekeeping is okay sometimes, but this ain't gatekeeping either. It's just a bunch of "in my days" AC boomers.
People who don’t like changes and claiming their hype is “ruined” don’t even know how the game will play in the end. And they create a toxic environment around the release of a new AC people been waiting for 10 years.
I'm actually ok for the games to have bit too much of "souls" blood in to the Armored Core series. In a way, I think souls borrowed some aspect from older AC series too when it came out. I just want fromsoft to kick my butt already. and I know fromsoft will not make an easy game.
After seeing the demo, as hyped as it made me, I shared the same concerns. Worst case I know I'll still like it for sure, but I don't know if I wanted some of the things they showed us. Or rather it feels a little strange to have something like repair packs. Hard-locking feels like it will takes something away from the series. I know gen 4 had a lock-on system, but it was always weak as you said. If it was stronger I'd have actually used it, maybe liked it, but there is a limit where the factor of our-running your opponent's view just won't be a thing. I say that, but watching Ratatoskr's podcast with Fighting Cowboy did make me feel better about all of this stuff. How usually in gen 4 aiming wasn't much of an issue and when it was you had to play the game through the radar more than the actual screen which wasn't the funnest thing. In pre-stick camera AC games, that would mean more in how much it affected gameplay, but with gen 4 hard-locking wouldn't have taken away that much outside of the crazy fights. And even then I doubt that From will make the lock in AC 6 perfect. Hell, maybe it will be, but something will have to give, right? Maybe it's determined by the FCS, which would make sense, because then what would be the point of that part? Maybe it's perfect, but the actual aiming of your arms and weapons aren't. I believe that there's more to it that we just don't know-- I mean, obviously, right? But whether what we don't know is enough to convince us that it was the right call or not is the question. It seems good for the new boss fights (which I think the inclusion of is only a good thing) and I don't think it'll be too meaningful against smaller enemies-- but as I will keep saying I won't know till I play it. Not that I think everyone needs to follow that, it's just what I personally need to do because I truly don't know how I feel. The other thing was the repair packs. I don't hate the idea, but I wasn't happy either, just a little concerned. The best argument is that having a large pool of health is not too different than having a smaller pool, but with a few heals to go with it. Still prefer how it originally was, but along with the hard-lock, I'm not against any individual element that they change. It does feel a bit strange with something like the repair pack, but I still will disagree on using "souls-like" to describe the game. Because it's just not. It's got a lot of influence, clearly, but if repair packs, a hard-lock, and some boss fights is all it took then why is it used as a descriptor? I'm not saying that I disagree with the criticisms, obviously, but I've too often heard "mecha-souls", when I don't think it's that simple. The ability to use the garage at any time is the thing that concerned me the most, for the reasons you point out. It feels like it, worse case, will ruin the appeal of planning out your AC before a mission. Because why would I do that when I can just make two or three different designs and simply change it out on the fly? I'm not even against checkpoints, just the anytime assembly. That said, it's not too different than older AC games, because most of the time I feel like you had one-note missions. In the sense that if you fought a boss that was all you did-- with exceptions of course, but they were usually quite simple. That's not too different than treating each segment of AC 6's individual mission's as it's own thing-- not that I want that, mind you. I don't want longer missions to come back just to be dumbed down. I want incentive to beat the mission without dying or changing parts. Which if I was a betting man I would think that dying would put a penalty on you like most AC games. Changing parts in the assembly I can only hope has a similar penalty. Maybe you can only do it after you die, maybe you have to pay extra to do it or it lowers your rank, I don't know. I believe that they know how casual it would feel with no penalty. But like I said before, I don't truly know. Yeah, I know that there's a hard-lock. I know that there's repair packs. I know that you can change parts during a mission. But the specifics of how they are implemented is what I wonder. I think I can be convinced, when I get my hands on the game, of it at the very least not being a turn-off. My problem is all of the people out there assuming the absolute worst when this is all of the footage we've seen so far. Why assume that things like anytime assembly will be free at all times? I feels too soon to make absolute statements. At least we won't have to wait 3 years to find out. But you know the thing that I'm most worried about? The music. I believe they said frequency is back, and they never let me down, and what I've heard sounds promising (especially that trailer music, damn was it good), but I need my fix, man.
You can see that it's not a perfect hard-lock since the targets go off-screen multiple time during the trailer, and it's likely the player who quick turn to give a cinematic feeling to the gameplay.
The problem with your comment, and with most people's concerns, is that you don't actually know. For example, the hard lock is very likely not going to work how you think it will. There is still a targeting cpu part in the garage. They wouldn't have that if all you have to do is push a button and never miss. Besides that, we are talking about futuristic combat mechs here. In what world would something like that not have a hard lock? Same with repair packs. Why wouldn't you have that? And what if the game requires them? What if the levels now take 30+ minutes to complete? Yeah, previous games didn't have repair packs, but you could also do almost all of the missions in under 2 minutes.
Been able to affect the lock-on with parts like FCS is not an problem in old games, because at the end of the day the movement skill to lock-on that matters. With hard lock-on you just need search on google for the best combination and that is it. PvP only changes when the meta parts changes, not skilled players with different parts.
I'm optimistic it'll be a great game because FromSoft just doesn't miss. That said I've basically already decided to not mentally threat this like an AC game and if I'm lucky maybe I'll be proven wrong if I'm not then oh well. The old games will always be there and maybe that's good enough for me.
When I realized they'd be taking out some of the sim elements that are 'core' to the identity of AC in favor of just more souls formula, it made my stomach turn tbh. I love all the souls games, but that's just so disappointing.
Love your videos and I’ve been with AC since 2 as well, but I’m also in the camp who is fine with these changes. The way I see it this is the only way AC would have ever continued and I’d rather have this than nothing, and I also just don’t have a personal issue with these changes. I think it will be a top notch game as usual from FROM.
I'm not sure if I agree with you. there are things they showed off that I'm worried about but at this point I really think a demo would be the best for everyone.
Once again, some of the most intuitive takes in the game and scene man. It's a shame you weren't able to get to the interview and have that platform to articulate your well reasoned beliefs on to a wider audience. Hopefully you can find some more time to deliver us content during helping your family out but if not, don't stress! You gotta take care of yourself.
A free quickturn that perfectly realigns you with the target so that you can't miss... seems like there is no need to "git gud" now. One has to wonder what this means for things like sniper rifles and rockets which used to have their power balanced by how much harder it was to line them up on the target. Will they simply not be in the game? As for the arguments that fromsoft can do no wrong and should just be trusted to not mess it up, the last gen of Armored Core was a decade ago for a reason. Change can be good, but it isn't always. On a more positive note, maybe there will be the options available to turn baby mode off. Then everyone wins.
I’m a souls fan that never played AC but After watching all your armored core vids and Vaati’s I was really excited to play a true AC game. I was kind of disappointed when I found out it was going to share strong ties with souls but I’m still excited to play AC6. I just guess I’ll scratch that AC itch with for answer
Same , I am a newcomer to AC series , but I played all 3rd , 4th and 5th gen , and I really enjoed customisation in AC last Raven , I believe if we as an audience display our need in traditional AC games we will get one in the future.
This is pretty much how I feel about it, except I don't really have any attachment to the souls style. The gameplay demo that just came out pretty much solidified those feelings for me.
Regarding the breakdown and opinions, this pretty much echos my own sentiments with what had been shown most recently. I'd get more into the weeds with that brief clip at 11:48, to illustrate the fact that turn speed is now a thing of the past, further accentuating the other points concerning the 'Souls-like' changes to the game's formula. Perhaps a victim of the communities in which I attempted to discuss this, though any instance in which I raised these points I've been met with little more than a scoff here, or a jab there. As mentioned in the video, some people view this as being 'necessary' to avoid the 'slow and clunky' gameplay of previous games. Sometimes it's easy to forget just how niche this series was, and how few people actually played them for any amount of time.
I agree, from what I understand so far it seems like ac6 will be more “you are the AC” as opposed to being the PILOT. That’s a huge difference I feel that’s going over a lot of heads. None of the changes are really drastic but a bunch of small changes all together can change the feel of the game.
@@greatchimdale9194 This is a perfect way of describing it. AC gets something out of not naturally being seamless. You can call it 'fighting the controls', but unlike fighting the camera in DS it's actually satisfying in AC because it feels like a part of the mastery. The mech has limitations and pitfalls so you as a pilot get better at controlling it to compensate. Watching how you fly on your first few missions of your first AC to your confidence at the top of the arena is night and day, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. Automate enough of that away and it hardly feels like you're a fledgling pilot gaining mastery and reputation with experience. I'm curious if the narrative will even have that grim mercenary for hire feeling, or if it'll be more heroic like they tried to do with ER.
I only played For Answer just to get an idea of what I'm getting into with AC6, and felt that even though they're nowhere near as different than the older AC games, the complicated controls has an appeal to me. It felt like driving the a forklift made for war without getting forklift certified, but I think that's how a mech game should feel.
While all that stuf about the estuses is not that big of a deal in my opinion, the inclusion of a soul-style hardlock system seems like a gigantic change for the series. As a souls fan I personally don't care, but holy cow does it feel like a punch in the nuts for AC fans. My sympathies are with you, Ravens.
I like to look at the "hard-lock" as just a more advanced system we currently use in today's military. The CIWS defense guns. The repair/checkpoint garage I'm hoping we can just toggle off (for a better grade/pay maybe?) Only thing that really gets to me is that stationary snap-turn. I'm also hoping that the quick-turn, in the demo, was due to player input and not because of the lock/tracking.
@@zarakijediexcept this is a game about mechs, a very unrealistic and ineffective unit for any military to field. It's a game and I'd rather aim the guns myself and I hate how people act like removing AIMING is a minor change. Movement and aiming are at the core of a games identity and changing it will drastically change how the game is designed and played, not to mention REMOVING one of them.
After seeing the new gameplay breakdown video by Vaati, I'm honestly sold. I only played Last Raven so can't speak for things like which one is true ac games. Again, even with your video being presented very well, I still don't see Armored Core 6 as a souls like and I'm glad it isn't. I hope you can enjoy the game.
I'm huffing on whatever copium was left from the announcement trailer, but I can't deny your conclusions. Let's just hope that, if there is any, discourse would be heard from the remaining AC fans still breathing when this game comes out and whenever it's AC7's turn in 2033, they'll understand that there's two separate target audiences for these games. Honestly feel that if this game just came out as a Japan exclusive rather than a worldwide release it'd be more faithful and unapologetic. Just two more months, I guess...
The only good point I’ve seen from the “just trust FromSoft” crowd is that the changes might help the game sell better. Assumably the next sequel could reintroduce more aiming and piloting gameplay once the IP was revived. (The obvious issue is that From would still be financially incentivized to play it safe with the next AC game) Also HOW THE FUCK are people still ok with the same formula they’ve been making since 2009?
@@BlueIron64I have no idea man. This is why gatekeeping is a good thing in my eyes. See what happens to board games and other media when they want to expand their audience
it's the first entry in over 10 years, regardless of what from does, old fans will be pissed, there is nothing they could've done to change that, if they stuck to classic armoured core gameplay, old fans would just say that it's nothing new and they waited 10 years for an AC1/2/3/4/5 clone
Hearing you lay it all out like this, I can really see why AC fans are frustrated now. Like i sort of understood before, but thought people were just being whiny. Glad to be proven wrong
@@123nicanor It all depends on the manner of communication. You can express concern for particular design choices while still maintaining good faith. That sort of thing could come off as whining or complaining to some, but I would say it is totally valid and valuable to the conversation.
I’m at the point now better to just wait for the demo. Or the real game no one can say with 100% accuracy that this game will play like a souls game or not I watched VaatiVidya video. But wasn’t convinced the quick turn is an input the player has make. The AC doesn’t turn just because your “locked on”.
Finaly an ac content creator I agree with haha. I feel there is this whole thing going on once again where everyone who is somewhat critical of the new thing in a franchise is called "toxic" and "gatekeepers"...never expected this kind of "just consume product-metality" from this comunity tbh. Im fine with people being excited, good for them! But that doesnt mean Im forced to be excited too haha. I also feel this game is maybe not going to be for me, which I obviously did expect it to be considering I loved all previous ac games. This looks closer to Daemon X Machina which I personally disliked very much. I'll obviously hold off on my final opinion untill ive played the game but im definitely managing my expectations now after the lastest gameplay reveal. And I have just as much right to my opinion as someone who holds the oposite view.
problem is some people are ACTUALLY gatekeeping and toxic about it. but this goes both ways. the unfortunate side effect of what some of these people did is that now the majority of each respective side got dragged and grouped up together into these.
@@CasepbX admit, maybe a bit harsh :p But daemon x machina initialy looked impressive as well. Theres someone else who commented that without the more sim like control aspects it quickly just turn into standard mech game nr112, which is probably a more apt description of what I mean.
Regarding the community mentality comment - I genuinely refuse to consider the modern Souls community in the same vein as what it used to be. Sekiro, Dark Souls 3 and now Elden Ring especially have led to such a humongous influx of newcomers with a mainstream mindset that the overall atmosphere has shifted to such a degree that there's practically no resemblance to the old mentality left anymore. And this new crowd is very much in line with the "just consume the product" approach from what I've seen. Which isn't even meant to be qualitative statement, just an observation. Personally I love the Souls series, but what I loved AC for was so beautifully distinct that it is absolutely a massive bummer to see this design shift in my eyes. Especially considering the game is made by Miyazaki, who I always considered to be a vision-first-business-later sort of director. But I guess after the humongous success of ER it's hard not to acquiesce to that trend to at least some degree.
Christ this comment section devolved FAST. My condolences - both for the shitstorm flooding your notifications right now and much more so for the situation with your father. Take care man, the people that enjoy your content will still be here when things clear up. I'll try to catch your stream when AC6 releases!
Discussions with Dark Souls fans always end up like this. That was made abundantly clear when some asked for an easy mode in Dark Souls and Elden Ring.
@@Maximum432 Sad thing is I'm a fan of the Souls games as well, I used to love that community. Something changed with the release of DS3 and even more so with the release of ER. This new crowd is... yeah.
@@Maximum432 It's because they think they're not only super good at video games but also experts in game design and artistry for some reason. No clue why Souls makes a lot of people so pretentious. Yeah Souls games are good and they're challenging, but hardest games ever? Best designed games ever? Let's see if Souls players can get past the Turbo Tunnel in Battletoads or get decently competent in a fighting game then see what they have to say.
@@Maximum432 discussion with some ac fans have been painful. Is that to say all AC fans act like this? Of course not. The souls fandom is just much larger when you compare it ratio to ratio. How many comments have I seen that go "souls babies ruined armored core" without adding anything of value to the conversation?
@@cheekybreeky3775 _Some_ AC fans behave that way. You will never convince me that is equivalent to the outpouring of vitriol when anyone asks for easy difficulty option in any Souls game, or shouting down AC fans while simultaneously accusing them of gatekeeping (without a hint of irony) for holding a different opinion to the mob. This channel is one of the few places where AC fans are not being dogpiled.
People are violently arguing against me that it isnt a Soulslike, and it is. Even the specific timing of all the animations like dodging, attacking, and "sprinting" are the exact same.
People call me an idiot, because I deduced that this game is a soulslike for more than just the fact that mechanics are literally just being reused again from the Souls games, but its also literally just the same engine. The models have been replaced and flying and a few other new movement mechanics have been added. Thats it.
@@killcount6534 So games like DMC 3, God Eater Burst, Monster Hunter, Dynasty Warriors and other games with lock on system and reflex based dodging are all souls like? Cuz all of those games has lock on systems and reflex based dodging mechanics, like AC6 looks its gonna have. You guys played one old AC game and think you know how to develop a game LMFAO I played older AC games too and I don't think I'm a game developer 🤣🤣That's just idiotic
@@123nicanor uhhhh, where’d you get all that? No…? I’m saying it’s a soulslike cause it’s literally based on Sekiro, running on the Dark Souls engine, and the specific animation timings are the exact same as all of their other games?
@@killcount6534 So what if its running on Dark Souls Engine? Street Fighter 6 is using RE Engine and it doesn't play anywhere near like Resident Evil. Its running how it was intended by the devs. Like I said above, you're not a game developer, you don't know anything about a game and how its created. You literally know nothing of what you're talking about. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED THE GAME YET. Like I said, thats just idiotic 🤣🤣
i get your point, but at the same time "play like a souls game" i think is an overexageration ( is that a word ?) i think once we get our hands on the game that we will be able to give proper judgement, for what i can see the gameplay is very diffrent to a soullike due the fact you can just, you know fly, it adds a whole dimension and difference to the gameplay, i dont think quick boosting gives , and i dont see your being able to have 13 repair pack, we dont know how much a repair pack heals for as well, and how long missions will take, perhaps they are quite long which would lead to heals being a new ressource the main thing which i dont get is mid mission swapping, how the hell do you summon your garage out of nowhere, and if you have to pay for the damage your mech takes, its gonna cost you a lot to swap back and forth for now i remain hyped and will play the game, people that are skeptical will get their final opinion once they get to play the game thats how i see it
I'd say a way of keeping both hard-lock and manual-lock, is by having limited FCS\Radar\Heads that have them or having all of them have verying effectiveness, as for turn rate, yikes
The onky changes im iffy on are the hard lock and changing your loadout mid-mission. All the other additions: larger more detailed maps, reactive boss fights, the stagger system, regular enemies having more offensive options, melee overhaul, etc, are all welcome in my book. As long as the game is fun I honestly dont care wht they do. Im not a big soulslike fan, but i do like Sekiro and thats what the new AC seems closer to in terms of the rhythm of combat.
some people from the sgf said something like the quick turning is manual, so i'm not that worried about the lockon but yeah estus flask and changing AC mid mission is kinda..
My first Armored Core game was Armored Core 4, playing it at the age of 7. The order of games I played it was 4, 2AA, 3, LR, V, FA, VD, 3SL, 2, and emulated 1-MOA. I have over 500 hours logged in 3, LR, and VD. I'd like to think at this point i reached veteran status with the franchise. Lol I watched the gameplay demo and noticed a lot of other old AC fans are frustrated with some of the stuff. If I can help ease any anger within the community, I want to try. I think with each reboot we as players find old mechanics from previous games while finding new ones. This isn't anything particularly new with gaming, but it is good to point out that the AC franchise has had so many reboots, we are at a point where we like and dislike certain aspects of each gane respectively. With ACLR, I thoroughly enjoyed the amount of parts available but struggled with finding consistency with heat, generators, radiators, and boosters all while a lot of the back parts require for quad and tank legs in without Human Plus. In AC FA I found to be one of the mpre rewarding AC games with its regulation files and customization. What I dislkled about the game would have to be the lack of details on a portion of maps as opposed to its previous instalment, Armored Core 4. I may be a little niased on this and open to criticism (on all of this lol), but I feel like there was a larger variety of maps and areas in AC4. I know why, but it is something that I feel should be pointed out. Now, I like ACV and VD and spent my time playing it exclusively offline. I did not get the chance to experience fighting other players or take on the bosses. A lot of it being reduced to what it was in 4 and FA, I felt at the time it was something that I could still get on board with. Because no matter the reboot, the theme has always been consistent. Humanity fighting, corporations with their greed, AI attacking humanity, etc. Graphics for V weren't as ideal for me but I liked some of the side characters. Chief and RD were my favorites in V. The sheer energy of Wally Wingert as a villain was wonderful. VD took what they learned from V and refined it to be even better. V had its own checkpoints and could call in for resupply or temporary part swapping. For the story missions it had, it felt somewhat immersive. And while sure it did make things easier to a degree, the game gave you more rewards if you stuck to your old AC routes and tried to tackle everything without these aids. I specifically remember fighting Zodiac ACs and just the effort of getting to them was without the use of resupply and making sure your AP doesn't fall below a certain point. This ket factor here is why I am not worried with AC VI. They will give you all of this support, but it is entirely up to you as a player if you want to use it or not. VD however had its own problems in its own right. I felt customization was the most difficult with this game given the parts and the legs with their load capacity. Unlike other AC games, I couldn't really experiment around for the fun of it. My biggest worry for Fires of Rubicon will be how much I can customize. The amount of parts doesn't always make up for how limiting your energy and equip load will be. My concerns for VI feel somewhat small considering everything FromSoftware has showed us thus far, and will be fine once we start playing. I'm not a particular fan of the reticle for VI, it looks a little too much like V/VD, and seems a little redundant if our weapon data is on the bottom right (thank you Vaati with your photographic memory). I do like the enemy status shown when locking on however. Hard locks and soft locks are of no concern to me as Arnored Core 4 is the biggest example of using that specific mechanic. You can lock on to enemies but by pretting the righy joystick, you pull up a camera view and have a hard lock on that specific enemy. I found it qite helpful due to 4th Gen's extreme speeds with their quick boosting. And even in FA we had a similar hard lock on other enemies and NEXTs, it was an audio que and color shift on your FCS. Everything we've seen thus far with VI has included the use of a melee weapon. Take it however you will, but I think when I first get my hands on my copy, I'm going to see how far I can get with dual wielding any ranged weapons. Staggering in AC isn't anything new, we have had that all the way back since the first AC game on the PS1. From grenade launchers to linear cannons, to heavy missiles, to snipers (4 and up with this specific weapon class), to laser blades, etc. I think what I'm trying to say is that this shouldn't write any AC veterans off. Like all the other AC games, we'll grab it, play it, and find things from older games, things we don't like, and things we do like
I’ll be honest, this whole discourse over this gameplay footage drained and soured me a lot. I’ve went from rediscovering a series I liked as a kid using the rumors of AC6 to play the whole series and falling in love, in which I was excited just to talk about it. To almost dreading talking about it period. I was trying to figure out what was bothering me so much about this whole discourse from ideas of, overexposure, unfounded expectations, the clickbaits or whatever. To which I think I understand why it’s been getting to me. The grand majority of people engaging in this are arguing over a complete ARBITRARY definition of what makes an Armored Core game and what makes a Souls game. This is not to dismiss concerns, I have my own, but lot of t I’m seeing comes off as, “Mechanic A from AC6 shares similarities of this mechanic found in Game B, thus this is Game B.”. Regardless if they frame it as a positive or negative. You can notice that can swing to either calling it “Armored Core” or “Soulsborne” for Game B. When we have to realize that we need to have the self awareness of the definition of what is or isn’t Armored Core is different from person to person. For Answer in some peoples eyes is not Armored Core. Armored Core V in others is not Armored Core. To which you can agree or disagree with, but it ties to the point. You probably don’t give a fuck what my definition of Armored Core is, someone might not give a fuck about yours. Want to know who I know for DAMN sure doesn’t care about any of our arbitrary definitions? It’s Fromsoftware. It’s been a 10 year gap from an underperformed game in terms of sales. And in that time frame, they released a game that sold 20 million copies. That’s not a sales = quality argument that’s influence and change were going to happen regardless. However I think people misconstrued what is and isn’t a direct soulsborne influence and what’s general 3D action game influences or logical progression in their eyes. Fromsoftware could have been pushing Elden Ring DLC for the game awards but chose AC6. This is a game they wanted to make and push over more cash from their most successful title ever. Also an important reminder is that Sekiro was suppose to be a new Tenchu originally. However they felt it wasn’t enough like Tenchu so they made it something else. With how they stress over and over AC6 is an Armored Core game, in their eyes all the important aspects that makes AC is there to them. Otherwise this really would have been called Armored Souls… or Frame Gride 2 I guess. I for one when watching this gameplay my mind didn’t go to “Soulsborne” overall. My mind said “Damn, I’m really getting some Zone of the Enders vibes here and there.” And guess what? Someone is probably wanting to strangle me right now for even insinuating that correlation exists cause my definition of what ZoE is doesn’t matches theirs. Think that’s the crutch of the issue all in all. I find bringing up healing solely as a “soulsborne” addition for example really undermines and works of a lot of assumptions we don’t know for sure. Big one being mission length, one thing I was guilty of was comparing to ACV as my frame of reference when reality is those missions are like 20 minutes where AC6 could be 40 to an HOUR for a mission for all we know. To which a no animation 3 stock replenish might be a godsend cause picturing doing a 40 minute mission in Last Raven with no heals nor ammo replenishment would shit my pants. I think the criticism you brought up for example that has a lot more weight is the checkpoint garage changing of AC where it can encourage sloppier boss design. Mainly cause it’s not based on anyone’s arbitrary definitions, it’s an actual concern that kind of decision can lead to. Much like my issue with healing is more the idea of being able to use it mid combat when I think it would be a lot more satisfying to plan out an encounter and decide if I need to use one of my resupplies now or later instead of using it when you’re about to die. I’ve been down this road before with another game and series I held with high regard which was Guilty Gear Strive. I ultimately did not like the game, and a have lots of issues with it, but my criticism of it compared to why I dislike it is not hand in hand if it’s Guilty Gear or not. I can imagine it’ll be a similar case for people with this game too. The important thing about that though is ASW rereleased and updated the older titles that I did love so now I can play them as just as viable of an option as the new game. So that’s the real thing we ALL need to be bitching at Fromsoftware about is not AC6 is too soulslike. Instead we should be bitching about is WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HD COLLECTION/RERELEASE OF OLD ARMORED CORE GAMES. Add back netplay to the titles and we’ll all be laughing even if AC6 doesn’t tickle the fancy. Enjoy your content and hope the best for you.
Any concern can be legitimate, but it’s important to be aware on why you might be having that concern. Be it a personal or critical one. So in regards to the lock on system I think it’s very valid to say something even like, “From what I’ve seen the hard lock on changes the systems and gameplay in a way I would not prefer for AC6 if it functions in the way I believe it does” or whatever. That’s fine cause it’s all speculation. What I’m not fine with is thinking it’s a cut and dry solved mechanic. Because if it really is just the dark souls lock on then the simple question arises. “If it is just a dark souls lock on, why does FCS still exist?” To my knowledge soulsborne does not have any mechanic similar to the FCS and it’s a sweat off my brow cause I thought it was removed from the gameplay trailer because I was able to tell hard lock on was there prior. However with the FCS system that opens up a whole can of worms of what on earth it does and how it effects the lock ons? Do certain ones are more melee focused and have a stronger hard lock on while being weak in regards to ranged soft? Is it just for soft lock on or does it effect hard lock on itself? Lot of questions which ties to the point that, we may know a lot more of the game now, but Armored Core 6 is still far away from a “solved” game. Fine to have concerns, fine to not like what you see or disagree with From’s approach of the game, but we can’t pretend we know everything under the hood already.
Yeah as I played Armored Core Nine Breaker in the PS2 and Armored Core 4 on Xbox 360 but never played a souls game except Elden Rings for 30 minutes by a friend so yeah it’s gonna be very new to me and have to acknowledge it’s a soulsgame play style than an armored core game but tbh is it weird which I like the playstyle gameplay of the Gen 2 AC and Gen 3 AC more than the upcoming one
The only point I agree with is swapping stuff mid-mission. Everything else seems nit-picky and like removal of unfun mechanics. I would rather have a fast paced action game that plays smoothly than a tedious "make sure to keep looking at the enemy" type game. There is a reason the last single joystick console was the n64.
Regarding the hard lock-on, there could be expansion parts that act like 'radar jammers', disabling enemy AC/ MTs from locking onto your AC. If parts like this were to be included, I can imagine that it'll force, especially in PvP, enemies to work around the 'souls-like combat' facilitated by a lock-on and instead employ a more aim heavy strategy.
The fUtuRe iS noW oLd maN! But for real I get this take as a souls fan I would always mock people that wanted to makes souls games easier and different to be more "accessible " and now I'm on the other side of the coin. It would messed up if I just dismissed opinions like this. I never heard of ac and I never bought a ac game I'm not one of the players that supported this game, so I think it's important to respect the vets out there. I'm optimist though, my hope is this will get souls fans like me a taste of ac, and when we take the bait Form can make future ac games less souls like if that makes sense. I'm looking at this as a intro into ac not an endpoint.
I completely hear you, brother. I played the original Armored Core game on the PS1 when it first came out. I loved it, and spent hours on it. It broke my heart when newer Armored Core games became much faster paced. I hated how my multi-ton AC was skating around as if on ice. It no longer felt like I was a pilot controlling my AC; I felt like I *was* the AC. But, in the end, I had to accept that times change, games evolve, and I can't do anything about it. I'm part of your minority. I will still play AC6, and I'm sure I will enjoy it. But you are correct; won't be the Armored Core we fell in love with all those years ago.
- "And with the majority op people, those were positive changes" Wrong. 4th and 5th gen were heavily criticized by core fanbase. It's commonly known why 5th gen was hated(multiplayer focus, scan, and etc), but 4th gen also faced a lot of backlash. Wharever you agree with this or not, AC4 objectifully removed any aim from the game, and offered less build divercity. You still can build heavy and tank leg builds, but lightwight flight mechs are the 4th gen meta. And also no Human plus. If you want to see proof - search old forum posts, and you will see a lot of discussions there.
These points are very well argued, great job. I think it's really clear to see who has played a lot of the older games, because it's these people who realise the game is clearly drastically changing.
Will these changes be bad? No, especially not to most of us who trust fromsoft to make a great game. But they are probably the most drastic changes AC has ever had, and that's definitely a valid discussion to have
A lot of the fears stem from the changing of genres, basically. For the first time in any AC game, we're moving away from a 3rd person shooter/ pilot simulator towards more of an Action RPG formula. It was a huge shift moving from 3rd gen (Tanks) to 4th gen (Jet fighters), but they've always had that simulator feel. This is completely different.
Armored Core has always been a one-of-a-kind game, and moving to these new gameplay designs has a real risk of making it "just another action game, but with mechs!"
And that's really, really sad to think about if it's true.
Hi Vaati, your AC videos are top notch man
Honestly, FROM can't satisfy everyone. It has been 10 years and any version of AC6 they put out would piss off somebody.
Been telling everyone: Just wait for X gen rebalance mod, then everyone can be happy. This engine is so easy to mod and AC6 can become the custom AC game of your dream.
Blind faith in a company Is how things lose it's identity
I was also thinking that maybe this game was made this way as a step-in gen 6 because AC games always have more than one game in a gen so the next game after AC6 could tone down the souls-like elements making this first game in gen 6 just an easier step-in for newcomers which is understandable.
Yeah I absolutely hate some people's reaction to the complaints.
Saying Armored Core games were shit before and they are now modernized so we shouldn't complain is a straight up lie.
Yeah people on reddit are just straight up shilling for this game and saying we shouldn't complain about anything we saw on the presentation. Consoom product, dont ask questions, get excited for next product.
@@nihilblue9669 it's so silly
We complain because we care and want the game to be released in the best way possible...
@@nihilblue9669 Reddit and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
The building and shop was always great.
Gameplaywise its really not that special. The game does most of the aiming for you anyway, and 90% of it comes down to building the right mech and trading dps.
There absolutely needs to be a better combat system in 2023
@@mariosubatrop3080 the only combat that was lacking was melee combat imo, now we have more melee options.
The shooting worked fine for a thrid person action / shooter game
I just hope that the guns won't be nerfed as a result of a bigger focus on melee combat. I still wanna mow down enemies with a retarded 4x minigun build
If anything it probably means melee is gonna be nerfed not guns since you can hit with melee easier. In old games the moonlight can kill and ac in 4 hits but I doubt that’s gonna happen now
@@billyboleson2830 with how fluid and user friendly the controls and overall gameplay seem to be, I definitely think that PvP is going to be dominated by High Stand-Off Capability builds. While melee will be relegated to PvE.
Imagine Call of Duty, but you also have a pretty hard lock that auto aims your gun for you and it only breaks that lock when it exits your peripheral vision.
I'd just get the mech equivalent of a 7.62x51mm battle rifle, hold the fire button, and run backwards when needed.
“Muh bUiLd”
Please, my dick can only get SO hard.
@@DJWeapon8 im more hyped for pvp, i only got into armored core a few years ago and never got to try it.
Hope things get better for you and your family bro. I went through something like this with my own Father last year and it wasn't fun. Praying for you.
Great vid, your points fall in line with what I have noticed as well. One point I hear often that you adress well in this vid is the "wait till you play" argument.
We are going to buy the game and give it the benefit of the doubt and even play it with an open mind. With that said, most people havent played an AC game so they do need a point of reference to understand what theyre seeing. So I understand they would say something along the lines of: "wait until you play it"
When it comes to players who have extensive experience with the franchise as well as souls, the latest gameplay footage, like you mentionned, already answers what are the major gameplay changes. Theres a reason people usually say wait until you see some gameplay.
The gameplay changes are clear and also are a departure from the core AC combat. I cannot stress enough how the unbreakable lock on will remove a large portion of what made AC combat enjoyable. We are not talking about accessibility in terms of ease of access like when AC introduced the standard of controlling the camera with a stick, no were talking about a fundamental gameplay change that will remove a lot of core fighting elements to combat.
Anw, much love, Im sure youll get through your hardship stronger
Well vatii did mention hard lock on is optional, also i didnt find when some one said it was an unbreakable lock, maybe the person who was playing was manualy strafing ,maybe work similar to 4 "hard" lock on, that You need to still have the enemy in You view, and the lock will only Focus on that enemy, maybe i say maybe. I hope you understand what i'm trying to tell you.
Hopefully they release a public demo at some point just to see how things truly are
I'm pretty excited about the game personally though
A network test perhaps.
I swear if I see camera speed on the options I'm flipping this table
This game releases in two months and the only multiplayer in it is the arena so a network test would only be that.
You'll only get your hands on AC VI at release
It will be excatly what you see now dark souls mecha 4
I hope we get a public replayable demo and not just a closed beta test that lasts 3 days.
I'm still excited for this game, but after playing through the older armored core games I do definitely share some of the skepticism and understand the disappointment. Like I'm sure it'll be a fun game, but even though I was late to the Armored Core party I really liked the unique things those games had to offer!
I also only started playing through AC pretty late (I started last year) and at this point I'm thinking that playing the older games was a mistake.
@@nisnast I don't feel it was a mistake because I still had a good time playing them, but it's probably not as indicative of what AC6 is going to be as I thought it would be
@@nisnast If you enjoyed it, it wasn't a mistake.
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Unless it's ruined AC6 for you because now you have opinions on what is and isn't a "real" Armored Core game. In which case, all I can say is "Welcome, Raven."
@@CptJistucethis, basically
I loved them, every single one of them, AC is my favorite series now, no doubt about it.
But I think it was a mistake to play them because now I won't be able to enjoy AC VI, I'll constantly be comparing the old games to the new one and be making "what if" scenarios in my head.
I just hate this, dude...
@@nisnast I am sorry you now share our anguish.
On the topic of mech customization, I remember the countless hours I spent, tailoring my AC to conquer an arena opponent. The countless deaths to Werehound in AC2 and his dual machine guns. The challenge in AC for me has always been designing a purpose built mech and learning how to pilot it, and repeating that process countless times. Each time learning something new, adding a new skill to my repertoire until the final fight on the final mission where my mech is invariably as light as it can be with the Kurosawa.
Yeah but now that everyone knows light=good. What’s the point of building heavy if not a noob trap?
@@Garl_VinlandI just finished my first AC game (3) and my absurdly slow tank build worked great. Could you explain what you mean?
@@Garl_Vinland It's same as most of the older souls. Tank builds can be a helpful crutch. Sure they aren't usually optimal, but they may get a player a win much faster in fewer attempts. A havel monster spamming r1 with a curved sword or magic without a thought on positioning or when they're safe to heal is easier to win for someone new to the series than an optimal build. Same thing poking out from a great shield using a spear. But most people as they get better will desire to play the game in a more satisfying engaging way. You lose some damage (endurance regen, wasted stat points, one-handing etc) from this shield or the suit of plate armor, and so you there's memes about the most intimidating player in souls game being a naked dude with a club. AC is the same thing to a less exaggerated extent imo. You can brute force without having to learn how to evade stuff, and just slapping on your strongest weapons and gear and focusing on aiming and that's sometimes the best approach for a mission. But as people get better they might prefer a more dynamic playstyle with a lot of air strafing while aiming, attempting to outmaneuver and get behind the enemy, focusing more on blading, etc. So heavy isn't really a noob-trap, it can actually be the easiest way to get a win. It'll just often not be optimal.
@hudsondeweerd3910 AC2 had a single player arena plus a campaign. You needed to change up builds to beat everyone.
i feel like this video hit hard watching it what feels like half a year later.
I agree on the repair kit thing, if u had refill stations repair kits seemed needless.
@@ハク-q6e1jlong missions doesn't justify when acv had them difference here is they are intentionally making you squishy here so boss's may one shot you
@@alphawolf1786 well, are they? we havent seen any of the tanky build acs yet. all we've seen are the fast light to medium ones so far. And last I remember even in the older gen, you'd get demolished in seconds by enemy AC bosses anyway.
@@cheekybreeky3775well one of the devs confirmed in the Korean interview that even at 60 percent hp we won't be safe so I'll keep a open mind like you said we really haven't seen any heavy AC gameplay to determine if that's truly the case here with repair kits being added
* rolls into pre boss room holding a giant two handed moonlight blade using a max hydraulics stat damage build*
* rolls around waiting for player to join after putting down a droppod flare *
* chugs 3 repair kit flasks with attack power buff*
*enters room, orchestra music goes crazy giant health bar appears for a boss named chromus, savior of mirage corporation*
Wow you have such an active imagination, do you just think up ways to be disappointed all the time? Go outside Jesus Christ.
"And if you don't like that, you're a toxic gatekeeper!"
@skeltaldelegate5408 personally I don't mind it at all ofc I want the weighty mech sim feel with credits being tied to my ammo and damage but I totally get why people are upset and agree with the points presented
orchestra × armored core ...
cmon man,
you have seen the trailer of ac6 and the music in it. also from software basically have an in house music band exclusively for only AC games' music.
they are not gonna play soulsborne esque orchestra and sh't for AC6 bosses ffs
@@btchiaintkidding7837famous last words.
I was worried about AC6, since its reveal. I had been super hyped for their Tenchu reboot, but then it turned into Sekiro.
I realized that staying true to the series was never going to beat “just make another Souls game, lol”, at From Soft
Sekiro is not souls, and was't presented as a Tenchu reboot
Even though I'm personally interested in a Soulsish AC game, my heart aches for the pissed off minority. When you find your niche it means everything to you. Nothing sucks more than to see your favorite series bastardized with modern conventions. I recall my frustration when CoD adopted regenerating health, the survival horror genre altogether turned into action horror, Rainbow Six (even though I love Siege) ditched campaign mode entirely, and Zelda being turned into a Ubisoft-like. Gotta enjoy your favorite games while they last, and always be looking for your next favorite thing before it dies.
Lmao zelda a ubisoft like 😂
The same thing happened to me when it came to Monster Hunter rise. The game itself is not bad by any means. You could argue that it is a really great game, a fair argument to make. However as a person who played the DS titles it is NOT Monster Hunter. The game got trivialized which is fine because that expands the audience for Capcom. However it lost a lot of the charm that me and a lot of the older players had for it.
I was seeing old Zelda fans being upset that BotW and TotK changed the formula completely and I simply could not empathize since I never cared for old Zelda games and I liked BotW a lot.
Now, seemingly to make me understand their pain, the universe has deemed fit to do this with Armored Core.
I've learned my lesson.
@@nisnast armored core isn't even out yet
No you're just a gatekeeping elitist. Zelda being turned into a ubisoft-like? This has to be the worst take in service of an even worse take I have ever seen. Have you played BotW or TotK? They are nothing like a ubisoft open world game, to the point that that BotW literally reinvented the openworld genre by using environmental story telling instead of 8 billion icons on the map to direct you. You have kinda of debunked your own point here, if BotW is your example of an established IP jumping the shark... Hmm, I think AC VI will be something pretty special in that case.
These souls players who never really experienced the classic AC gameplay and shits on the old AC players for criticizing the changes kinda remind me of the "casuals" that they love to shit on everytime they ask for an easy mode in souls games. You guys don't want the souls games to be streamlined and "easy" as much as we AC players don't want it to drastically change, simple as that.
It's an unfortunate byproduct of the series getting so popular. ER expanded the From audience massively and overnight. When long time souls players criticized certain elements of the game, you'd get the same crap from people who's first experience was ER and would here nothing bad about it. Perhaps unfortunately the new players with zero perspective on the series outnumbered people playing it for years. Now with AC the problem is the same, but 10x as obvious. One there's a gigantic gap between people who've played the old series (and particularly people who watched it change and understand its history), and people who are interested in AC6 because From. Like we're talking 50x as many people in the second camp if I had to guess. And the changes here are much larger than happened between ER and DS3. So you have a lot of people saying fans aren't valid in being disappointed with certain changes that they themselves don't understand, and the group saying that is massively larger than actual old fans.
This is my perspective as a long time souls player who was only peripherally aware of AC, and only played some in the last couple years. I feel for you guys. Honestly anytime you get kids into a fandom it kinda destroys all the reasonable discourse, not because every kid is incapable of good discussion, but just because you reach a critical mass of bad mindless takes and regurgitating of talking points. I hope you still find some enjoyment in AC. It might not be how people wanted it to return, but it's cool it even happened. I never expected it (my bro's been waiting on an AC since For Answer lol). Maybe it would have been better if it returned with 1/3 the budget and so it could be considered a success while maintaining its niche appeal, but frankly I'm amazed From gambled on reviving the entry either way.
@@das6109 not a gamble, they know soulstards will buy anything with MiyzaCUNT's name on it (heck, they've been buying the same game over and over for a decade lol)
@@das6109Brother you really hit the nail on the head here. This is very much something that I fear for aswell and also saw happen with Elden Ring. From Soft games are getting big so fast that I fear they are going to fall in to the "appeal to a wider audience" trap, while what I really liked about their games was that they seemed to have this attitude where they just made what they wanted and if you like it you are welcome and if you don't then they don't really care either. Making AC6 more Souls like because they know the Souls formula will sell does not really reflect that attitude they had imo.
@@joshualap401 I do get where you're coming from. The only thing that makes me happy is Miyazaki is at the helm and he does seem to be someone who will just make things he wants to. When asked about ER's insane success anyone else would say 'yeah we'll double down on this', but I think he'll just make the next project he wants to and am hopeful that whatever comes next for souls won't be open world. Reviving AC at all was a big risk that speaks to doing whatever he feels like lol. The only problem is what he feels like making with AC might not mesh well with the series roots, or what its original fan base wanted.
It's worth remembering that his first games he directed were AC4 and AC:FA. At that time he also diverged hard from the gameplay, speed, and presentation of the first three AC gens without completely throwing out the appeal of the genre. To my understanding the games are divisive, but even for a lot of the fans at the time of their release, they became some of their favorite entries (For Answer in particular). I think Miyazaki will continue to make stuff how he wants, so I hope whatever he wants is something that old AC fans will find enjoyable. The big popularity rise of the developer I find has caused way more problems with the community (especially diluting anyone who actually played AC out of conversation) than it has actually affected Miyazaki's priorities.
what annoys me the most are the idiots saying you can just balance hard lock on by limiting its range because they dont realise that it would be most damaging to the core gameplay in close range fights where youre supposed to use movement, positioning and different combinations of parts to keep the enemy in your view and maintain your lock. hard lock on would have little to no effect in medium to long range fights where you're almost always locked on anyway and more focused on dodging and maintaining distance
@@ハク-q6e1j Sorry you're right, I'll withhold making a judgement about anything at all till Ive had first hand experience. Get real. Go eat dog turds bro maybe you'll like it? Can't knock it till you've tried it right? I've played enough AC to know how a soft lock Vs hard lock affects the gameplay and what I'm saying about a hard lock range is a logical conclusion and probably true unless they decide to make it easier to break lock before the game releases (unlikely). As for From intentionally making games bad, I don't think any studio does, but Elden rings release and patch history show they don't even play their own games or understand the butterfly effect that is individual mechanics affecting the core experience. Ultimately the game is for elden ring players though so it makes sense it would appeal to casual play for people with no thumbs over an actual skillful experience.
@@ハク-q6e1j dang you sure showed him bro 💀
@@ハク-q6e1j i know you arent buddy. dont worry ac6 will be designed just for people like you that can't read seven (7) whole sentences. just be careful you dont accidentally open the expanded stats screen little bro your brain will fry lol
@@FahrenheitEX You insult souls fans as if they are the bane of existence and turn around to act like this. How is there supposed to be a conversatio when you instinctually insult an entire playerbase based on one comment from one annoying cunt? Like jesus, the video is about having a proper conversation and discussion and rather than going that route you act exactly how the "souls fans" think the "armored vets" act.
these are really good points and the help me understand people who are still/got more skeptical about AC6 with more information. i feel like many of these souls-esk elements could've been far more palatable with good implementation
-"estus" could've been an optional part with different versions. the weakest one heals very little but there's virtually no down time so you just pop it mid fight, medium has a longer downtime and prevents you from doing certain things for decent healing and the max variant requires you to plant fully on the ground for one hit of max healing
-refill stations should heal you a decent bit and allow you to swap out weapons/refil your weapons if you want but NOT swap out your parts. make it so that there's an extra screen for what weapons you want your support/ the station to hold when you get there which adds another vector of customization as your support could be upgraded to carry more stuff or do certain things and that adds to the cost you pay at the end making you causious of how bloated you want those refill stations to be
-reactionary bosses arent the worst but I prefer the chonky setpiece bosses of the old games and all they need is to add a few context-sensitive reactionary maneuvers to them. "oh you got up in giga base's face cus it only got the cannon now the main body rockets away for hit and run tactics like stigro without the blade" or maybe a big machine with energy blades like Jet... but a better fight. I'll probably be to absorbed in cool looking mech but after a while even ill get concerned
I love this haha I hope at least some of this is in AC6.2
Dont use healing or refill stations, do S rank runs, and you've only seen 3 out of 40+ bosses. How are you already at this conclusion for the game? Comments like this reek of entitlement lmao. "Oh it's not AC3, im really getting CONCERNED here."
Listen to yourself mate, it's not made for 25,000 niche fans, FROMSOFT has an obligation to appeal to as many people as possible to keep the business profitable. The Idea that you'd be "Concerned" about optional features because it brings more casual players in is a bit selfish. Literally you have the ability to not use any of them.
After watching Vaati's video's I started playing AC1 (I'm halfway through) and seeing this video really put it into perspective how much AC6 is not AC game. Sucks for AC fans, but now I personally have a whole series to play through and I'm having a lot of fun. It's gonna take me a while to get to 6
Actually braindead
Play some more titles then; if you started at one, play at least Project Phantasma; as that game feels completely different from AC1 in many ways (the systems are more balanced, the controls are tighter, even if still clunky)
Very few content creators play AC like it is actually played; specially arena fights. This is Armored Core, NOT souls.
I think that fromsoft is definitely catering to its fanbases from its other IP’s. And to be quite honest, im under the assumption that they know that Armored core fans are gonna play no matter what.
Making a totally new AC game for next-gen console likely cost a lot since Fromsoft need to buy tons of new sci-fi assets.
They need to sold the game to souls fans if they want to make AC6 profitable.
They hope we will, but personally I'll pass until its dirt cheap with solid multiplayer (if there even will be any).
I don’t necessarily think its a bad thing, i do however have a huge disdain for stun lock game play. Not that i think its a bad, but i do think its annoying how those game turns into a certain “meta” rather quickly. Im hoping that certain weight classes or leg types can avoid it and or be immune? Tank legs or heavy weight classes not getting stunned in exchange for less maneuverability and or only having decent straight line speed? Ill play no matter what cause this game is my childhood and now apart of my adulthood, but i have my hopes and preferences
@@Theogrn I don’t think stuns will work the same in pvp as it does in pve. There’s a stagger system based on poise damage in Elden Ring too, but it doesn’t work in pvp.
@@skvltdmedia They don’t really need old AC fans, they need souls fans
My only issue is that ACs are probably gonna be really squishy thanks to repair kits. Even glass canon ACs previously could take some hits but ideally it should be like bayonetta or dmc where healing Lowers ranking
I doubt it. There have been no indications the imply you're going to be squishier. The repair kits are implied to be for the fact that AC6 is going to have much larger and longer levels than what people are used to from the franchise along with, from what I understand, ending in a boss fight of some form. Every level being a lot longer/more intricate+ a boss at the end would be damn near impossible on AC's old formula, which makes sense since those levels rarely lasted over five minutes (when you knew what you were doing)
@@Adalon- AC's old formula was "longer levels have checkpoints where you get repaired and resupplied... so that it's even more humiliating when Nineball wrecks you."
@@Adalon- Yamamura has already said in an interview that "even at 60% AP the player might not be safe" so it's pretty much confirmed were gonna be glass cannons
old game missions were 2 minutes long these are gonna be way way more
@@CptJistuce "so that it's even more humiliating when Nineball wrecks you."" and Leos Klein.
As an AC fan who played a lot of gen 4 and some (VD) gen 5 in his teens, I’m worried about the direction they are taking the series in.
At the same time though, longer levels does seem like we might need those boosts, but until public demos release we simply won’t know.
I’ll admit, the hard lock on is the biggest gripe I have, and I just hope we get ECM and lock on disabling features, especially for multiplayer. The main problem is, if we have hard lock on, the enemy ai also has hard lock on, which has never been the case.
If enemy acs had hard lock in previous games, it would have been hellish.
I’m just hoping that they come to their senses and release regs built for OG AC fans, removing the lock on, adding more old school switching (all 4 weapons active means no cool weapon animations!), and getting rid of the flask and checkpoints to create something truly fun, maybe keep ammo resupplies, but idk, the thought of facing the level boss on empty, after a bit of damage and just going ham sounds really appealing, and adds a layer of difficulty that would appeal but also allow the new players to get to grips with what a true AC game feels like
The second trailer does show the tank leg AC switching weapons, so I’m not sure how the triggers will work in that regard
If that is all your experience with AC then you are mostly wrong, since 4 and 5 where abrupt departures from what the established AC formula was up to that point. It is impressive to see how many people are complaining that this looks too souls like when this is hands down the closest Armored Core to the original formula that we've getting since Last Raven.
"Keep your expectations low and you will never be disappointed."
Thats kind of sad doe, I respect that way of thinking but like not looking forward to stuff? Idk
@@makinaaez77 it is what it is
thats pathetic, but is the state of the industry nowadays
@@makinaaez77 is the only way to be happy on buying new games in this age
"Have not expectations, you can't be surprised or disappointed" - me in middle school
finally some vindication from someone who actually cares, there is so much wrong with modern gamers and their overt toxic positivity.
its insane how so many uninformed people think they can lie and meme about real concerns about moving away from armored core, the dislikes the original fans and players experienced through the new reveal and how soulslike it behaves compared to armored core.
thanks for doing a real deep dive on the series
Well, we won't live forever. The game is aimed at the more younger generation, which will be the next people who will bitch about the game when their time comes and complain about a new mechanic - much like us now. lol!
@@shinryuzero many things built for specific service and activities have names for a reason, if they want to move away from original armored core then get a new name
The M16 isn't the AR-15, nor is the AR-15 an m4
They are all classified differently because of what they are and some young jimmy in 2023 can dress an AR-15 up to look like an M16 but it will never be one
@@MrSolidsnake293 True, if we're talking about a gun. But we're talking about a title of a game. Let's set aside the fact that the game needs to change for the new generation to actually get into - since well, the developers still need to make sure the title still survives in the future when all of us is either to old to play and support it - The reality is the AC series has changed quite a lot over the years and those "subtle changes" mentioned in the video are not subtle at all.
The contradiction here are the facts that as each version of AC where produced, new mechanics are being added and some old ones are removed. Case in point are the limitations on parts, movement and booster just to name a few. You cannot deny the fact that AC5 is a VERY different game than the first AC, which also in my perspective AC:VD although supposed to be in the same universe as AC6 is much better (and harder) than AC5.
You said that an AR-15 cannot be an M16, that's true. But, it doesn't mean an M16 cannot be improved does it? For example, in the case of the F-15C and F15EX II. Both came from the same designer, sharing the same designs and the same role yet the F15EX II is the better version of the multi-role fighter jet - even though they share the same design, all because of the upgrades made to the F-15EX II. But still, both are considered F-15 series. Both are different yet the same - same as every AC series.
Another example would be the JRPG's in particular the Final Fantasy series. They moved from the standard turn base and pixel, to turn base 3D and now 3D and action genre of game. Yet, each and every game is the same - a Final Fantasy game, change for a different audience. And to be honest I don't like the action base FF because I'm a turn base guy when it comes to my JRPG's but, I still respect that those new FF action type games are still part of the ever growing FF franchise.
As for AC6, I will not judge it prematurely and I do have another comment here stating why, but, as far as I know there are only 5-6 changes added in the game and the rest is still the same. Sure, I also don't like some of the changes I do know because of all the previews but AC6 still has what made the AC Series it is -Giant Mechs I can pilot that I can customize and blow things up, which deny it or not that's the reason we're all playing the game series from the very beginning.
@@shinryuzero agree to disagree. There is just to much to explain about your reply overall and I just don't have the heart.
Understand that the M16 to ar-15 argument is ment as a topic to explain how even an M16 is desired in 2023 but the only way to get one is to go backwards.
As for modern games... almost every single game in the last 10 years has tried to "future proof" itself or chase some artificial audience blindly to their demise. It is extremely rare for a game to change and be successful outside a small rise in players the first month and then stagnation all because they tried to entertain an audience that wouldn't be interested in staying for more than a trend.
You've never played it before but here you are calling people excited for this game "toxic positive". Have you developed a game before? Have you even designed a mech before? 90% I'm sure you haven't. What do you know? Just because you played an old psone game doesn't mean you know anything. I know because I started with AC project Phantasm, but atleast I don't pretend that I know better than actual genius game developers like FromSoftware devs.
The least you can do is form an educated opinion. How? PLAY THE GAME FIRST.
I was a Souls fan before getting into AC. I only just got into AC last December. AC's formula was still new and fresh to me since I've only been playing it for a few months so I was hoping to get more of that. I'm still going to buy AC6 and I'm guaranteed to enjoy it but it does feel like I'm getting a robot themed entry in a series I've been playing since 2011.
Since when has Souls had guns, giant mechs, lock on missiles or flying? Just because the combat is based on dodging and telegraphed attacks doesn't make it a Souls game dude, I am so tired of this mindset where everything with even vague similarity to Dark Souls is suddenly a Souls-like.
@@GeorgePerakis The tldr answer to your question is basically "since now"
My longer cringey response is this: I don't consider Souls-like a real genre or a proper term for From's games after 2009 but I say it sometimes since I'm too lazy to say what I really mean.
What can't be denied is that Miyazaki has certain preferences when it comes to making games and his preferences have made From a ton of money. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring are 5 new IPs and yet they share a similar formula. Despite sharing a formula, every single game did something that the series has never done before, and two of those games completely ditched the medieval fantasy setting.
So it doesn't matter what the setting or title of the game is, any game From makes can make room for Miyazaki's preferences if he desires. AC6 now has limited use healing items that can be restored, refill checkpoints scattered throughout a zone, difficult bosses with telegraphed attacks that will test your reactions, a new lock on system never before seen in the AC series, and apparently super punishing attacks if we're to trust the devs when they say you're not safe at 60% health. And you better believe that if they reveal that using the checkpoints will respawn enemies, people are going to be calling them bonfires/site of grace.
"Souls-like" games didn't invent these features but they've been staples in games that Miyazaki has been making or influencing. They are also NOT bad features.
However these features are not staples in AC games and old fans weren't particularly begging for these features to be added.
This is what I meant when I implied that I'll feel like I'm playing something I've been playing since 2011. I mean I'm going to be experiencing these staple features again for the seventh time in a From Software game.
I'm a huge Souls fan and Demon's Souls is in my top 5 games of all time. AC is a series I only picked up about 6-7 months ago. I still think AC6 is something to look forward to and I'm playing it day one. I can just empathize with a fan base that's been following a series for a while and were anticipating features that they consider staples in their series. They'll still get a good chunk of those features but maybe not at the same level as they wanted them to be.
Quick side note, and I'm not saying this to you because you didn't say this but;
It rubs me the wrong way when people accuse old AC fans of simply hating change, and that old AC fans just want the same thing over and over, yet they're praising AC6 for having the same features From's been using for 14 years across 5 IPs. AC as a series has evolved just as much as the Souls series if not more. Old AC fans can handle change and I hope they'll enjoy the new game as much as I will.
A new AC fan will call you "toxic" or "gatekeeping" but never a liar
I just think it looks good as a battletech/Mechwarrior man armored core never spoke to me seemed too "acecombat of Mech games" I liked the big hefty feel of western mecha heck front mission franchise was my jam for Japanese mecha games this new one makes me interested in the series and learning the faster playstyle
@@ezmodey1105 want faster mech game? play ANY Gundam Extreme VS, heck that game have more Mechanical than you ever think of
Nah you’re definitely a liar, everything in the video is simply an evolution of previous Armored Core mechanics. Speaking as an old fan of 20 years, you’re a dork and your self victimization is honestly pathetic.
They'll openly call you a crybaby piece of shit without thinking twice though
@@ALBATROZZ98crazy thing is that game is on sale for ps4 is it active?
“Feel free to throw your phone in your pocket”
Dang dude how did you know
This video title and thumbnail alone just launched so many people into an eldritch frenzy
I just dont like how new fans brush off old fans like they werent responsible for why the franchise even still exists/has a fanbase to this day. Been a souls fan for give or take 7 years and have only recently heard of Armored Core. I dont blame AC vets being irked the wrong way when their beloved game is changed in many ways. All I could say is give it a chance, its Fromsoft, they rarely disappoint.
Exactly they're like go play the old games if you don't like this new one like bitch if it weren't for me this game wouldn't exist. If it weren't for motherfuckers like me constantly bitching about not having another armored cord game this armored core game would not even have shown up 10 years later
This whole situation feels very similar to what happened with The Legend Of Zelda and specifically BOTW.
I've played the series since i was a wee 6 year old kid. And, while i both absolutely love BOTW and TOTK (the second being my new favourite game ever), those two games also took something away from me. No one does the classic Zelda formula but Nintendo.... so yeah i'm fucked in that respect, i'm never seeing another classic Zelda game with proper dungeons and puzzles.
In this case, i've never played a AC game but im a die hard fan of the Souls series. So i'm gonna probably love this new AC to death... but I feel you. Something was taken away, and you might not get it back.
It sucks.
There are a few "3Dzeldalikes", for the lack of a better word, out there tbh.
Okami is one for example
You could try Tunic, it’s not the exact same but it’s pretty close. Probably the best “Zelda-like” that I’ve played
@@bigboogabowser4371 also Hyper Light Drifter has some touches i've heard. But, again, as this video states, it's not the same. Im kinda sad that we finally got 2 amazing stories in a Zelda game where 90% is not just implied, and it had to be in the ones that deviate from the formula.
tears of the kingdom really is the beginning of the end for zelda. reminds me of the old FF fans begging for turn based and party members to come back
I'm thinking more of Doom 3 or whatever the hell was that leaked Doom 4 supposed to be.
Respect for the reasoned opinions and for not bashing anyone, even when they may deserve it.
Very curious to see how From manages difficulty since it does seem, to this souls fan at least, like some of the core types of difficulty in AC won’t be present. I’m hoping they subvert the mechanics in various ways to make more classic AC-style aiming still important or essential in specific situations, maybe by ACs being able to jam your hard lock-on or some weapons not being able to benefit. Regardless, I’m glad that the new features seem to mean melee-focused builds will be more practical than in previous games.
There's a mech-Isshin in there, that's the balance. Wanna bet?
This is what's gonna happen.
Step 1: People are gonna play about 6 to 8 hours and crack the formula of the game.
Step 2: They will post it online.
Step 3: ????.
Step 4: The game is gonna be piss easy past this point.
Whinging about specific *SPECULATED MECHANICS* is pointless and show how stupid humanity has become.
@@kimlee6643 doubt it this game is gonna be piss easy because we have to appeal to the elden tard fanbase
None of the AC games were difficult gameplay wise.
FS started that with the souls games.
In AC the only difficulty comes from being badly equipped for specific missions/arenas. But you can breeze through every arena in any AC game with just a few different builds.
@@mariosubatrop3080 I don't buy that at all. Last Raven in particular is pretty brutal. And while you can build optimally for missions in AC, you can also respec reasonably frequently in later souls titles. Even before respecs players I've watched seem to just gravitate towards whatever is considered the brute force method in these games anyway. On the more passive/common side that's summoning two likely twinked phantoms in DS1 while using a great shield and the lightning spear you picked up in Sen's replacing your Drake sword. On the more actively chasing cheese side that's doing the same, but decked as a havel mage monster. Jumping ahead a decade beating Malenia with three people spamming bleed is close to stunlocking to death. Mohg people kill with a laser before he makes a single attack. These are the 'super hard' missions of our latest soul game. Some AC missions take a lot better mechanical skill and decision making with an optimal mission build than any boss in most souls games.
Can you argue some of the souls bosses are mechanically more complicated than anything in the average AC game? Sure I think you could. But if we're talking about making people making the game as trivial as they possible can, you can get far closer to autopilot in most souls games than AC. Bloodborne is a bit of an exception because of lacking auto win magic, tank set ups, or great shields. But on the other hand you can summon someone good enough to solo the boss, and many did on release. It's hard to get around that. Sekiro may be the only modern From game containing genuine challenge for people who make every effort to subvert it. AC6 might be the second if it doesn't let you summon, I guess we'll see how hard it's end game stuff is. Either way it'll be a different type of challenge from previous AC entries.
I dont mind most of the changes and I'm silently praying the repair kits won't make you too fragile, but I sincerely am going to miss desperately chasing enemies with my lockbox.
Sorry to break it to you but Yamamura has already said in an interview that "even at 60% AP, the player might not be safe".
So, yeah, we're gonna be squish like in Elden Ring =/
Mechs are now glass cannons think about it. We got 3 repair kits and they refill between checkpoints in levels. How much health do we really need?
@@nihilblue9669 Well the levels are going to be pretty big, so we'll need a lot of health. The distance between one checkpoint to the next will probably be equivalent to an entire level from the og games, or at least equivalent to the number of enemies and difficulty.
As someone who's looking forward to new game, i do have my concerns for some of the new systems will play but I'm going to reserve my final judgment when I play it and all I will say is stick to your guns when everyone else thinks you're the bad guy.
Also this is probably best video describing the difference between fromsoftware series and mechanics and i don't know why people refuse to just talk about stuff mechanically instead of generally
Someone posted this video on the Armored Core subreddit and the comment section there was just a shit show, hype does terrible things to people.
Its completely understandable to be upset by the changes, as they are large. What you can and cant overlook is different for each person. 4th Gen was my least favorite Gen because for me a huge part of my enjoyment of AC is making Tank ACs and feeling like a tank, and AC4 had too much of a focus on speed and leveling the playing field in terms of defense for me to get that experience. For the same reason 5th gen is my favorite. Im sorry to hear that AC6 may not live up to your hopes for a modern AC game, but Im glad to hear that youll at least give it a try.
btf ac6 will probably have the best tank builds
I'm hoping so! It's looking like they're putting effort into making each leg type have a unique play style. They might even be bringing hover legs back. I'll admit the recent gameplay footage has me a little bit nervous that it'll be too 4 like, but I'm staying optimistic.
Wow a mature opinion, rare to find this in the comment😅
This games gonna suck
@@WhySoSeriousSenpai why do you think that? The quality seems top notch
Tbh, I think the design of this game was made in part due to the negative reception to AC V and Verdict Day. Since Armored Core as a franchise was already niche, the negative reception from the previous titles didn't help matters. It would explain at least from a business perspective why Fromsoft would be trying to incorporate mechanics from their more popular titles. I was genuinely surprised to hear anything about Armored Core to begin with, cause I thought that gen 5's reception had put the series on ice indefinitely.
I think this game would really help with a demo just to see what gameplay feel is like.
I think the astronomical success of ER also has contributed a lot to the design, I also wonder how much interference has happened from bamco execs. I wouldn't be surprised if things like the estus and bonfires were mandated by corpos to try and help bring in souls fans.
@@austindecaux7895 Tbf, they'd kind of have to. Since the execs are in the business side of things, they'd want the game to sell well. And Armored Core has always been a niche game which even then polarized fans within the community. If I had one series of games with mostly positive reception and another series of games that barely pulled in any new fans, I'd be sweating too.
@@zjuraeventide8949 Yeah exactly :3 for the record I'm not mad, I'm keen as hell
@@austindecaux7895 Same same. I'm just wondering why From hasn't released anything new yet. We're one month out from release 😭
I think the critical thing for me is that, while 4 did have a lock on system, it was also so damn fast that you needed it. With 6 it looks like they slowed down the gameplay to be closer to 2nd/3rd gen, so keeping hard lock on really sounds like its gonna end up baby mode... Ill still play the campaign for sure but im worried that the pvp is gonna come down to who can meta stagger combo better instead of actually being able to pilot
Which is also why I'm wondering why they haven't showed any AC vs AC fighting yet
This is way faster than 2nd/3rd gen AC games from what we've seen. It's usually just bunnyhops back then with a dash of boosters that comes with your core. Even though I only watched playthroughs of AC4, I find the speed of AC6 similar to it, if not slower but faster than ACV.
Regardless, all will be answered once the game releases or they give us a demo. Still sure I'll be enjoying this game as much as I enjoyed Project Phantasma and AC3/SL.
Might do a 180 if there's no Arena tho. Lol
@@Aerynolae it's def faster than 2nd/3rd but also undeniably slower than 4th, I'd honestly put it midway between the two
I am an AC player, going WAY BACK. I was very excited when this game was announced (It was about time). I have the Premium Edition pre-ordered (I know, WAY overpriced).
The gameplay videos to VI killed my hype for this game (Full Stop). I am keeping my pre-order though, for two reasons: 1.) It will ALWAYS hold it's value 2.) I think AC VI will still be a good game.
I no longer look at Fires of Rubicon as an Armored Core game. I am just looking at it as a new Mech Game, with Souls style combat. To me, this game is just called "Fires of Rubicon" (I detach the Armored Core label in my mind). This is just a more original IP than a continuation of the AC series.
If you aren't a long time AC player, then you will never understand long time fans issues with this game. We don't want "Armored Souls Core". In the game-play footage I don't see a Mech fighting. I see a "character" fighting enemies one by one. The melee attacks DO NOT look Mech-like. They look like a samurai (Sekiro) or Jehuty (Zone of the Enders) attacking an enemy. In no way shape or form do I see a big clunky Mech melee attacking an enemy in those shots.
The "Freedom" of combat has vanished that used to be in older games. The AC series has always been about having any moment in combat possibly change because of the unpredictable nature of your enemies, especially other Ravens. You had to constantly keep re-adjusting to ever changing conditions.
Now everything is predictable and routine, reaction based combat.
Like I said previously, this WILL be a good game (Lots of Fun). Just don't call it an "ACTUAL" Armored Core game. It's most definitely not.
Yeah , dude , Im not a long time fan (I played all games from nexus to verdict day) , but even I do not like lock on , less customisation and repair kits . Truth is , if there would be large health pulls (like in the For Answer) , they dont need stupid heals , and in mission parts swap , just resuply stations for ammo , or possibly just bigger numbers of ammo. Also to mention this game is made by guy who directed sekiro , so sekiro combad is here , maybe next time they give this job to an AC veteran developer , and then we would see pure AC game
@@uwubodypillow6909 This game IS under an AC developer and director. Miyazaki cut his teeth in AC4, then he directed AC: For Answer (Best gameplay/game in the series). Yes, he also directed Sekiro.
He should have known not to combine the two. I am sure fame and a proven/popular system was too good from a business standpoint not to do.
It's the end of an era though. I do imagine that the Classic Armored Core is finished. It's just a shame that it had to end with that sub par "Verdict Day".
No matter what though, I will always have my copy of "For Answer".
Played since AC1 and beat every single one on missions and arena. I don't care about people crying about changes. You don't see me here complaining they should go back to AC1 game play.
@@jacobtaylor7506 I don't know where you got that argument from. Not a single person has said to go backwards.
Going foward is what everyone wants. They didn't go forward though did they? They took two games and mashed them together. Think MCU and fucking everything up with the whole "Multiverse" idea.
You of all people should understand that AC is a very interesting game series with distinctive game-play and design.
It's the end of an era for Armored Core. It's Armored Souls Core now and we all know it, including yourself.
this should be called Armored Century's Extreme VS Maxi Boost Mark IX: Fires of -Liberation- Revengeance featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series
Honestly the one thing i have learnt reading and participating in this whole discourse is that all this logical arguments are pointless. It is clear that the people telling the AC fans who do not like the changes to get fucked did not do that because they considered the points and disagreed about the fundemental concepts that makes an AC game an AC game.
They are mainly saying that because some of us have the audacity to say that, even if it may be a good game (so not even saying it might be bad, god forbid we do that), it might not be the game we are looking forward to seeing initially. Basically to them our voices do not matter, and we should just be glad that From has even took the time out of their busy schedule to bless us with a game, and to critize any of it is basically being ungrateful. Even the game is closer to Gundam Breaker than AC
The entire argument on every change being an "improvement" Is basically, "your game was bad anyway, you should thank From it's being improved to be closer to a superior game, our game"
@@clockworklullaby8295 Perfect summary. Reading over this comment section yesterday was genuinely a baffling experience.
After thinking about it for a while, I think I came into a conclusion that pin points my worries about this upcoming game. The previous 5 generations (6 if you include .5) iterated on the formula with Gen 4 and 5 changing how we maneuver but not never how we tackle combat (as in when we are in the field). Yes 5th gen penalized us more for not bringing the proper tools to the fight but after that, once you're out of the garage, you're playing an armored core game albeit with a different movement system (or faster in the case of 4th gen). Gen 6 changes that...
I'm not worried that it is being changed mind you, I'm just worried on what will be sacrificed by said change. Freeing up the right thumb originally used by the camera to focus more on maneuvering thanks to the enhanced melee system, new hard lock on mechanic and the "barely there" turn rate sounds like a great idea but it seems to only cater to close range mechs, same goes with the stagger mechanic and combo system to deliver critical hits (not to mention the knock back, where in if weapons have damage falloff, that will become another issue). Like seriously, if you were to build a mid to long range mech (like the quad leg from the first gameplay trailer), would you really care for these mechanics? Also, because of how the game is built with reaction in mind, i wonder how the hell do tank threads even fit this game and are they just a leg part of a bygone era since they move like cars now instead of tanks.
I don't know anymore... I made peace with it... but not in a happy sort of way, more in the I feel empty sort of way. I'll still buy it and I'll meme around and try to beat the game as if it was a souls game just to see how bad did they mess it up.
Buy it used.
@@gjg5789 Nah I'll still get it... i didn't wait 10 years to not buy it... its returning on a different form but oh well... I guess lots can happen in those times. Can't expect to have a return like how Doom 2016 did.
To be fair though the tank threads always worked like cars in terms of speed and some movement, at least in the old ones
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Which gen are you talking about, I've always used them and they are always slow AF, unless you are confusing glide quads or tank looking hover legs as "Tank Legs"
@@tehfoxxy9630 First game. I remember I tried them out expecting a more tank-like experience and was surprised with something else. They were just like the normal legs with different stats/animations from what I remember.
I'm a souls player but I am a little sad they've decided to "dumb it down" for me and new players to AC. I've had a blast watching your vids and am looking into emulating 4 answer rn, but yeah. Maybe its weird but I was interested in ac that it would be a game I would have to learn, like I wouldn't be able to pick up and play at even 50% proficiency. But ofc that's probably not conductive to making fat schmoney. Still yeah having played all dark souls (and enjoying ds2😈) and seeing all the gameplay and vids of ac, I don't really want the hard lock on. Thanks for the vid, sorry if apparently some creators asked your perspective just to crap on it or whatever you were getting at in the beginning that's fucked up. Yada yada, Henry Cavill video talking about fans being passionate not toxic. Thx and have a good day, hopefully the game is fun.
Same, it’s disheartening to see so many Souls fans that want the same game when 7 versions of it already exist.
Almost all of those games are thematically about accepting change too, but ig people didn’t get the message
That's called loaded language, it hasn't been "dumbed down"
@@marciamakesmusic yea it looks like it has veen, unless you don't rank complexity and the proverbial 'dumbness' to be elements affecting the same spectrum of difficulty given the change to an 'easier' lock on system
just go emulate AC1 if you want the original experience dumbass idiot
@@beo3627 you people say "dumbed down" without playing the game or even seeing a dang hud. Just because something is different, doesn't make it dumbed down. sekiro was a much different game compared to dark souls. Is sekiro a dumbed down dark souls? No, because it has other things that some people would argue that makes it harder. wait for the release before you start throwing out accusations like "dumbed down".
Oof, that interview story is rough. You're very polite to not name them after being done that dirty.
I'm part of the silent majority, but I still appreciate your efforts explaining your and others' position here.
I could guess who it is. So can others. But I can also guess it's absolutely pointless.
@@kimlee6643 what interview, can you share
@@COHOFSohamSengupta The Rat, is my guess, but idk.
@@SadenIsWatchinya I think it might be rat aswell
@@alphawolf1786 I've been watching pretty much every AC video ever since the gameplay dropped and it can only be The Rat.
I pretty much hold the same opinion! But the whole discourse around this game is just exhausting .
"Soulslike" this, "stop complaining and gatekeeping” that.
Usually I'm very excited about the discussion close to a games' release, but all this just sucks.
What I don't understand is how no one can see that it plays like a Souls game
Its not that they can't see it, it's that they don't want to see it because at some level they would have to admit seeing one of their beloved franchises turned into a souls like would piss them off. It's okay when you don't care about that IP though.
Wow, a dodge? Nierlike confirmed! Boss fights with attack patterns? I can't believe AC is turning into a Mariolike! Lock on? Way to water down the AC formula with elements from star wars the force unleashed bro!
OMG bosses have actual attacks instead of just being giant bricks that you DPS down…just like Souls!
Your mech can fly and fight in midair…just like Souls!
The AC has two legs…just like Souls!
Saying this isn’t dark souls is cope
Look at these first 3 clowns inhaling so much copium
I can't say that I agree with every opinion in this video, even though I've been playing Armored Core since the PS2 games. Having said that, the one issue I do mainly have with the information we have is the repair kits. I was okay with the concept initially, because I was under the assumption that they would function in a more AC-esque way of being a long drawn out affair that left you vulnerable; meaning you couldn't use it during combat. After finding out that it's instant, however, and that your AP is functionally identical to a Souls HP bar rather than the comparatively massive health pools the player had in AC I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed in that regard.
Don't use healing then lmao its a button you dont Have to use I can't believe people are mad because it's slightly more accessible now
After the reveal I decided to download and play AC last raven. As a new player it's tough, it's unforgiving and it's very fun. I look forward to seeing fromsofts new approach to AC after what they have learned from their last few games.
@@cicada92 ikr I heard it was the hardest and immediately went to AC3 instead 😂. Mad respect to the sadist that is op.
LR is a very difficult entry to start with. It's a great game and my favorite in the series but it expects that you know what you're doing from the beginning. I went back and played AC3 as my starting point and worked my way up to LR from there. I was much more prepared but it was still challenging.
Me years ago at ps2 eras.
"Oh look, a 'mecha' game"
It was AC LR. I never beat any ending, but since then, I love the franchise
@@cicada92 that was me. It was even on the PSP e1000 😂. You just have to have a lot of patience
First AC Last Raven GIGA CHAD
id say having a lock feature makes sense for mechs as its a thing with irl fcs systems| but yeah, id say the to much soul influence may hinder the uniquness of the game. but i do want a more fast mech game with control, playing mech worriar does give me the "hi, you plan out your weapons, mess it up and tough luck" thing but it does also have the issue of one build to rule them all
I really can't believe the hard lock is perfect. I mean it's repeating that problem that V had but worst where after a point all pvp patches was a bunch of tank ACs with autocannons. If you and just stay on target perfectly, that really means tanks don't have that problem of some cheeky light jumping over them and keeping them in their rear arc. Pretty much means that tanks are really the only option in pvp.
I'm pessimistic with game companies. I'm also not a person that thinks From Software can do no wrong. I mean they made Nija Blade and I own Nine Breaker, but the lock on system as it looks in the demo seems monumentally stupid to me unless the leg parts just work totally different or we're missing some heavy context.
The anti ratatosker video. Nice
Honestly all this AC content makes me want to play the old games (especially Nexus, 4 and 'for answer' the story seems so cool)
AC 6 looks straight up like mecha sekiro.
Which will probably be Hella fun. But AC 6 does look like a whole different game and style and I haven't even played them yet.
I'm not too concerned with having to dodge more things with my boosters. Typically in missions I would mostly use quick boost to dodge missiles and sometimes heavy cannon fire. Quick boost is a fun mechanic and varied reasons to use it is a good thing in my opinion.
I agree with being worried about sloppy boss fights or level design though. I want to be able to use whatever mech I have been refining and using to defeat the boss. If a boss REQUIRES a quick close range AC, and the next REQUIRES a tank-type missile boat, I will be sad.
I hate to say this as someone who is an AC newcomer, but I think gatekeeping is a good thing. I've seen what happened to other franchises that I loved, and I know the feeling of being a fan who wants to be super hyped about the cool new game, but can't help but feel like something special was lost in the pursuit of smoothing the gameplay out for a broader audience. Monster Hunter World did this, making a giant technical leap forward for the series, making the graphics better and the gameplay slicker, but somehow I haven't found the new games as satisfying as they were back when they still had their more "archaic" design elements left intact. Over the past few months I've played through AC 1, 2, 3, and am working on Silent Line, and I completely get where the gatekeepers are coming from. I feel that feeling of satisfaction that oldschool AC fans fell in love with, and I'm honestly a little sad knowing that the games they love might lose some of the character that they used to have. I do think that perhaps people might be jumping the gun a little considering we've seen very limited HUD-less gameplay so no one really has the full picture yet on what the final product will be, but I don't think they're wrong to be very defensive about the future of AC. I haven't played gen 4 or 5 AC yet so I myself don't have a complete picture of all that AC has been up to this point, but I honestly really hope this series doesn't become some midway point between Souls and AC (and I love the Souls games).
TLDR: Gatekeeping is actually useful and its overhated, and homogenizing every series for a modern audience is a bad thing.
You're attributing a quality of big budget triple A game design that From has never fallen victim too, despite their success. As well, Japanese developers aren't as susceptible to american triple A success spiral, or the ubisoft model. Your just doomsaying to try to say something interesting, and your off the mark
@@Hasshodo *you're
@@brittig8983 You're just doomsaying to try to something interesting, and you're off the mark - and then reply to me in the least interesting way possible, so cool I guess, keep the streak going Brittig, I believe in you
@@Hasshodo 1. Everyone has never fallen victim to the pitfalls of triple A game design, until they did. I do have a ton of faith in From Software, but to ignore it as a possibility is naive.
2. My example of a game series that homogenized to suit a wider audience, was made by a Japanese developer.
3. No one is immune to the allure of big fat paychecks, especially when they're a company that flirted with bankruptcy for years before they finally hit it big with a winning formula that they then used and iterated upon exclusively and repeatedly for over a decade because it was successful every time.
4. I'm not doomsaying, I never said that AC was definitely going to turn into a Souls game with an AC skin, merely that I can understand why the OG fans are so defensive. In fact I even said that people are jumping the gun because we're going off of limited information.
5. Like I said, I love Souls games, I'd probably be pretty happy if this was more Souls like, but it doesn't change the fact that I'd feel bad for AC fans if they lost the series that meant so much to them.
@@brittig8983 My biggest complaint with the "OGs attitude" is that it's nothing new. It's cringey everytime it happens with each new From release. The arguments are always the same at the heart of it "From is making (insert game) easier to appeal to casuals"
It's the same tired song and dance. None of those opinions should be entertained for that reason. Older AC fans should know better, they aren't kids anymore. I expect this kinda attitude from gen z 4channers but "old AC" should've outgrew this petulant paranoia, especially the victimhood complex when they get told to shut up and be patient. Ultimately all this doomsaying is just that - a lot of sounds and fury signifying nothing, and it'll change once the game releases. Most old AC fans will claim the game and then start being toxic like usual From fans once they see it's ok not to hate the game. A small percentage will still be grouchy old farts yelling at us to stop having fun with a "shit game"
The lack of healing and resupply is a big part of what makes armored core for me, it defines what engagements you can take and provides a good sense of progression as you progress past those restrictions and eventually reintroduce them in the process of optimization
I get how you feel. The issue I have is that when you are fighting bosses I haven't yet seen another Merc Pilot piloting a mech just as powerful, if not more powerful than your own that can exceed your speed and firepower. So far what I've seen is that the enemies have lackluster attacks and now they have.....TA-DA! attack patterns. Something which is unheard of in AC games.
There is healing now in AC6 same as there was for certain missions of gen5, gen2 and gen3
@@jonathanclarke5763 really should of waited for the new gameplay we just got before saying all this. Why i kept telling you guys to stop complaining before we even saw anything
@@tasheemthedream4199 I'm just happy to be so horrible and unequivocally WRONG! thank God
@@jonathanclarke5763 have some faith my little raven. From software will do right by us
As someone who was never really into Souls but loved Armored Core as a kid and got back into the series a couple years ago. It's a bummer.
The whole just sitting in the garage and theory crafting your mech. That's peak AC for me and a lot of the fun came from trying to figure out what worked and what didn't.
I also.. just don't understand the point of the repair kits. 4-FA already had large AP pools. When you look at Vaati's mockup for the HUD. It shows a 4 digit AP pool like 1-3.5 gens. Not sure if that's what it'll be like in the final game but just seems kinda redundant.
I also really liked the reliance on movement instead of the hard lock on. It made it feel more like mech combat in that the targeting computer would help but being able to aim and track your targets is what would always seperate good pilots from great pilots.
I'm not less excited for it. I'm just not more excited for it after seeing the gameplay.
They are clearly combining them and that's the problem I want to pick up an armored core game and immediately get the feeling that armored core has I don't want dark souls in my armored core game
Not even Souls has an "unbreakable hard lock", there's a ton of agile DS3 bosses that jump around and break the lock quite often. Even some DS2 ones do it.
So if AC6 has a lock that's ~80% as "solid" as Souls, it'll get broken quite often at these speeds, though it'll depend on your build.
It's crazy because i'm still hyped but your so right on so many level the estus and change assembly is things that I didnt want. Youre brave for making this video and it was a great video
I had the feeling something fishy was afoot when you said that podcast you were on had "audio issues".
Honestly the more I distance myself from discussion of the game, the more my opinion mellows out, even knowing the game is gonna change a good deal. It's when these newcomers come in and start bashing anyone for not being as excited as they are, and insulting them by calling them basement dwelling boomers just for having an opinion, that I start souring again until I calm down. This game will be a quality experience, but it's gonna be different from AC games before, even more different than fifth gen is. It's not a Souls-like, just like how Sekiro isn't a Souls-like, but it definitely takes elements from Souls, and it's ignorant at best and gaslighting at worst to say otherwise.
Speaking of gaslighting, I'm pretty sick of all the gaslighting going on from people trying to lecture old fans on how the old games played in an attempt to justify the changes. Just stop. Those of us that have played know it's BS.
Still likely gonna thoroughly enjoy the game, maybe not as much as I enjoyed Last Raven, but it'll still be good. Maybe not GotY though, Hi-Fi Rush and Street Fighter 6 might get that from me instead.
I really appreciate your viewpoint on this, I'm still looking forward to the game but something deep down told me From was going to do something like this.
Looking back at thier games from the first kingsfeild its kinda a fromsoftwere thing to change thier formulas now and then
Yeah is they way they operate, they learn from their pass game and if something can be used to improve one of their game they do it, that’s why their game become more and more popular with every new one
DO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT? NO FEELINGS BULLSHIT! WHAT ARE THEY DOING THATS GOT YOUR PANTIES ALL IN A TWIST?
@@OneTomato okay mashing together things from all of your other games doesn't necessarily make it improvements. It's staying within a certain comfort zone.
@@lucky13sj meshing together thing that can be helpful in another game is quite something is not comfort zone because they are not re-making the same game but they see something from their pass game that can fit in their new game and improve it, the same goes for Elden ring but for Elden ring is different since the premise is very similar to the souls game and there is no reason to remake something is is gonna be identical, because for example there is no reason re-do an sword animation if the previous sword animation is already perfect as it is.
With AC is different, they didn’t just make another souls game, in fact the souls mechanics they put in AC are just a few and are mint ti fit the new design they made for AC, is nothing forced or out of place for the new one, they serve specific purpose in the overall game design
I thought I would hate an AC game with fixed direction lock. Then I remembered that Zone of the Enders had exactly that, and those games were extremely fun. This fixed direction lock also explains how it is possible to play with a mouse and keyboard.
AC5 gen was the only entry in the entire franchise I dropped because I did not enjoy it. I turned a corner in one of the first 3 missions only to be instagibbed from full by an unnamed and unbriefed MT. AC games are power fantasy that encourage the player to master their designs and skill. I want to feel powerful and react to enemies before taking on hard challenges. I do not want to fight exclusively abusing Re:Zero deaths to beat a mission.
All that matters is that AC6 feels fun to play. Fixed locking system or manual doesn't matter so long as it feels fun.
i've had this same feeling so far. i've had friends tell me that it's okay if they remove the things that make AC; AC, like the hard lock and lack of turn speed, just because they were kind of clunky for a few gens, it's insufferable trying to talk about armored core to just about anyone lmao
I'm an old (PSX) Armored Core fan.
Let's see how this turns out-
I think it looks like the best of both worlds, broadly. I'm not particularly bothered about the exact format the controls and raw mechanical difficulty take as long as I can whizz around in 3D space with a customised mech. It also looks to me like there's a mixture of both more old school ranged enemies and more soulsy reaction based enemies, which should offer some nice variety. I am a much bigger fan of Gundam (just in general, not the games specifically) than I am of Armored Core and I like that the combat seems to be leaning towards something that's a bit more fluid but also crunchier and higher impact at the same time, in line with what my favourite mecha stuff looks like. I also like the move towards more complex, traversable levels - Armored Core: For Answer is fun but it kind of loses the appeal that mecha are both ground *and* aerial machines. The repair kits seem a bit redundant though, and I'm not convinced by being able to change up your entire frame mid mission either.
Amazing how precisely you've put your finger on the pulse a month before the big hands on impressions videos that everyone made, I couldn't agree more.
And to everyone trying to clown on you, even Vaati said you made good points.
Great video, dude.
This comment actually means alot.
@@aboveaveragegaming6120 your video also meant a lot to me cause I honestly felt I was losing my mind, it was nice to see someone else who also had their reservations about AC VI and that I wasn't in fact crazy
Man, I played 2,3,silent line and 4 answer last month and loved them, can’t imagine how a longtime fan feels right now. I was ready to buy the collectors edition but now I’ll wait for reviews after launch. The worst part for me is the lack of categories in the garage and the posture system. I like the addition of checkpoints because that implies longer missions but being able to customize your mech after you die is so bad.
And it is bad why exactly?
I definitely see how drastic the changes are. I have the feeling we're going to see the same pattern from previous AC games, where the first game of the generation will show how the gen will feel and then a follow up game will polish it up and have more depth and parts.
I'm gonna disagree on the statement that the 4th gen games were generally well received. They're still arguably the most divisive titles in the series. I still see heated debates in AC circles about how it was a mistake and 3rd gen is still the king. V and VD by contrast are never mentioned outside of asking for online group ups, it's almost like people just blot those games from their memory despite the even more drastic changes they made to the formula.
Gen 3 hands down. While I do appreciate the darker, bleaker tone of 4 and 4Answer, the gameplay is just too fast and unpleasant at times, and the mechs play all the same. In gen 3 every part seemed like it mattered in how your mech functioned, but all that is massively toned down in 4th gen in favor of speed. Also the level design, which was nothing to write home about in the previous gens, is even duller and emptier.
I am not an Armored Core vet by any measure but I have been really irritated by people dismissively calling fans who do not like the *significant* changes that have been made gatekeepers. Really? You're not allowed to be unhappy about a series you love being changed?
I went through this with the Monster Hunter fandom but at least there were less accusations of gatekeeping there.
They're Souls fans and redditors, an unholy matrimony. The most insufferable gaming fanbase combined with the group that fears gatekeeping because they themselves need to be gatekept.
Gatekeeping is always the right thing to do
"we modernized this parts for the new game. Since we felt they were too stiff for what we're looking for"
Elitist basement dweller: "reeeeee"
Sorry but I haven't seen a single real problem with anything in the gameplay. And even less read someone making a good argument about why the changes are "wrong". Gatekeeping is okay sometimes, but this ain't gatekeeping either. It's just a bunch of "in my days" AC boomers.
People who don’t like changes and claiming their hype is “ruined” don’t even know how the game will play in the end. And they create a toxic environment around the release of a new AC people been waiting for 10 years.
Same story with Elden Ring. People who don't like the idea of Summons are labeled Gatekeepers
I'm actually ok for the games to have bit too much of "souls" blood in to the Armored Core series. In a way, I think souls borrowed some aspect from older AC series too when it came out.
I just want fromsoft to kick my butt already. and I know fromsoft will not make an easy game.
After seeing the demo, as hyped as it made me, I shared the same concerns. Worst case I know I'll still like it for sure, but I don't know if I wanted some of the things they showed us. Or rather it feels a little strange to have something like repair packs.
Hard-locking feels like it will takes something away from the series. I know gen 4 had a lock-on system, but it was always weak as you said. If it was stronger I'd have actually used it, maybe liked it, but there is a limit where the factor of our-running your opponent's view just won't be a thing. I say that, but watching Ratatoskr's podcast with Fighting Cowboy did make me feel better about all of this stuff. How usually in gen 4 aiming wasn't much of an issue and when it was you had to play the game through the radar more than the actual screen which wasn't the funnest thing. In pre-stick camera AC games, that would mean more in how much it affected gameplay, but with gen 4 hard-locking wouldn't have taken away that much outside of the crazy fights. And even then I doubt that From will make the lock in AC 6 perfect. Hell, maybe it will be, but something will have to give, right? Maybe it's determined by the FCS, which would make sense, because then what would be the point of that part? Maybe it's perfect, but the actual aiming of your arms and weapons aren't. I believe that there's more to it that we just don't know-- I mean, obviously, right? But whether what we don't know is enough to convince us that it was the right call or not is the question. It seems good for the new boss fights (which I think the inclusion of is only a good thing) and I don't think it'll be too meaningful against smaller enemies-- but as I will keep saying I won't know till I play it. Not that I think everyone needs to follow that, it's just what I personally need to do because I truly don't know how I feel.
The other thing was the repair packs. I don't hate the idea, but I wasn't happy either, just a little concerned. The best argument is that having a large pool of health is not too different than having a smaller pool, but with a few heals to go with it. Still prefer how it originally was, but along with the hard-lock, I'm not against any individual element that they change. It does feel a bit strange with something like the repair pack, but I still will disagree on using "souls-like" to describe the game. Because it's just not. It's got a lot of influence, clearly, but if repair packs, a hard-lock, and some boss fights is all it took then why is it used as a descriptor? I'm not saying that I disagree with the criticisms, obviously, but I've too often heard "mecha-souls", when I don't think it's that simple.
The ability to use the garage at any time is the thing that concerned me the most, for the reasons you point out. It feels like it, worse case, will ruin the appeal of planning out your AC before a mission. Because why would I do that when I can just make two or three different designs and simply change it out on the fly? I'm not even against checkpoints, just the anytime assembly. That said, it's not too different than older AC games, because most of the time I feel like you had one-note missions. In the sense that if you fought a boss that was all you did-- with exceptions of course, but they were usually quite simple. That's not too different than treating each segment of AC 6's individual mission's as it's own thing-- not that I want that, mind you. I don't want longer missions to come back just to be dumbed down. I want incentive to beat the mission without dying or changing parts. Which if I was a betting man I would think that dying would put a penalty on you like most AC games. Changing parts in the assembly I can only hope has a similar penalty. Maybe you can only do it after you die, maybe you have to pay extra to do it or it lowers your rank, I don't know. I believe that they know how casual it would feel with no penalty.
But like I said before, I don't truly know. Yeah, I know that there's a hard-lock. I know that there's repair packs. I know that you can change parts during a mission. But the specifics of how they are implemented is what I wonder. I think I can be convinced, when I get my hands on the game, of it at the very least not being a turn-off. My problem is all of the people out there assuming the absolute worst when this is all of the footage we've seen so far. Why assume that things like anytime assembly will be free at all times? I feels too soon to make absolute statements. At least we won't have to wait 3 years to find out. But you know the thing that I'm most worried about? The music. I believe they said frequency is back, and they never let me down, and what I've heard sounds promising (especially that trailer music, damn was it good), but I need my fix, man.
You can see that it's not a perfect hard-lock since the targets go off-screen multiple time during the trailer, and it's likely the player who quick turn to give a cinematic feeling to the gameplay.
@@ni9274 actually more than likely they turn the hard lock off to maneuver. As the hard lock turns on and off he is clicking a button.
The problem with your comment, and with most people's concerns, is that you don't actually know. For example, the hard lock is very likely not going to work how you think it will. There is still a targeting cpu part in the garage. They wouldn't have that if all you have to do is push a button and never miss.
Besides that, we are talking about futuristic combat mechs here. In what world would something like that not have a hard lock?
Same with repair packs. Why wouldn't you have that? And what if the game requires them? What if the levels now take 30+ minutes to complete? Yeah, previous games didn't have repair packs, but you could also do almost all of the missions in under 2 minutes.
Been able to affect the lock-on with parts like FCS is not an problem in old games, because at the end of the day the movement skill to lock-on that matters. With hard lock-on you just need search on google for the best combination and that is it. PvP only changes when the meta parts changes, not skilled players with different parts.
@@KurNorock just say that you like it being more like souls because it's more comfortable for you to play
I'm optimistic it'll be a great game because FromSoft just doesn't miss. That said I've basically already decided to not mentally threat this like an AC game and if I'm lucky maybe I'll be proven wrong if I'm not then oh well. The old games will always be there and maybe that's good enough for me.
When I realized they'd be taking out some of the sim elements that are 'core' to the identity of AC in favor of just more souls formula, it made my stomach turn tbh. I love all the souls games, but that's just so disappointing.
Love your videos and I’ve been with AC since 2 as well, but I’m also in the camp who is fine with these changes. The way I see it this is the only way AC would have ever continued and I’d rather have this than nothing, and I also just don’t have a personal issue with these changes. I think it will be a top notch game as usual from FROM.
I'm not sure if I agree with you. there are things they showed off that I'm worried about but at this point I really think a demo would be the best for everyone.
Once again, some of the most intuitive takes in the game and scene man. It's a shame you weren't able to get to the interview and have that platform to articulate your well reasoned beliefs on to a wider audience.
Hopefully you can find some more time to deliver us content during helping your family out but if not, don't stress!
You gotta take care of yourself.
A free quickturn that perfectly realigns you with the target so that you can't miss... seems like there is no need to "git gud" now. One has to wonder what this means for things like sniper rifles and rockets which used to have their power balanced by how much harder it was to line them up on the target. Will they simply not be in the game?
As for the arguments that fromsoft can do no wrong and should just be trusted to not mess it up, the last gen of Armored Core was a decade ago for a reason. Change can be good, but it isn't always.
On a more positive note, maybe there will be the options available to turn baby mode off. Then everyone wins.
I hope that this gameplay reveal and vaatis hands on has made you change your hype because a lot of what you said ended up being completely wrong
I’m a souls fan that never played AC but After watching all your armored core vids and Vaati’s I was really excited to play a true AC game. I was kind of disappointed when I found out it was going to share strong ties with souls but I’m still excited to play AC6. I just guess I’ll scratch that AC itch with for answer
Same , I am a newcomer to AC series , but I played all 3rd , 4th and 5th gen , and I really enjoed customisation in AC last Raven , I believe if we as an audience display our need in traditional AC games we will get one in the future.
Ten years later and we get souls core? You sure about that 🤔
@@Marth667 I just want pure AC game , with the mechanics of its own , not borowed straight out of souls series
This is pretty much how I feel about it, except I don't really have any attachment to the souls style. The gameplay demo that just came out pretty much solidified those feelings for me.
Regarding the breakdown and opinions, this pretty much echos my own sentiments with what had been shown most recently. I'd get more into the weeds with that brief clip at 11:48, to illustrate the fact that turn speed is now a thing of the past, further accentuating the other points concerning the 'Souls-like' changes to the game's formula.
Perhaps a victim of the communities in which I attempted to discuss this, though any instance in which I raised these points I've been met with little more than a scoff here, or a jab there. As mentioned in the video, some people view this as being 'necessary' to avoid the 'slow and clunky' gameplay of previous games. Sometimes it's easy to forget just how niche this series was, and how few people actually played them for any amount of time.
I agree, from what I understand so far it seems like ac6 will be more “you are the AC” as opposed to being the PILOT. That’s a huge difference I feel that’s going over a lot of heads. None of the changes are really drastic but a bunch of small changes all together can change the feel of the game.
@@greatchimdale9194exactly. It might not feel like you are piloting a mech
@@greatchimdale9194 This is a perfect way of describing it. AC gets something out of not naturally being seamless. You can call it 'fighting the controls', but unlike fighting the camera in DS it's actually satisfying in AC because it feels like a part of the mastery. The mech has limitations and pitfalls so you as a pilot get better at controlling it to compensate. Watching how you fly on your first few missions of your first AC to your confidence at the top of the arena is night and day, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. Automate enough of that away and it hardly feels like you're a fledgling pilot gaining mastery and reputation with experience. I'm curious if the narrative will even have that grim mercenary for hire feeling, or if it'll be more heroic like they tried to do with ER.
I only played For Answer just to get an idea of what I'm getting into with AC6, and felt that even though they're nowhere near as different than the older AC games, the complicated controls has an appeal to me. It felt like driving the a forklift made for war without getting forklift certified, but I think that's how a mech game should feel.
While all that stuf about the estuses is not that big of a deal in my opinion, the inclusion of a soul-style hardlock system seems like a gigantic change for the series. As a souls fan I personally don't care, but holy cow does it feel like a punch in the nuts for AC fans. My sympathies are with you, Ravens.
I like to look at the "hard-lock" as just a more advanced system we currently use in today's military. The CIWS defense guns. The repair/checkpoint garage I'm hoping we can just toggle off (for a better grade/pay maybe?) Only thing that really gets to me is that stationary snap-turn. I'm also hoping that the quick-turn, in the demo, was due to player input and not because of the lock/tracking.
@@zarakijediexcept this is a game about mechs, a very unrealistic and ineffective unit for any military to field. It's a game and I'd rather aim the guns myself and I hate how people act like removing AIMING is a minor change. Movement and aiming are at the core of a games identity and changing it will drastically change how the game is designed and played, not to mention REMOVING one of them.
@@femimark5021i mean You can just don't use hard lock on and use the normal soft lock on, is not like you are forced to use hard lock on always.
After seeing the new gameplay breakdown video by Vaati, I'm honestly sold. I only played Last Raven so can't speak for things like which one is true ac games.
Again, even with your video being presented very well, I still don't see Armored Core 6 as a souls like and I'm glad it isn't. I hope you can enjoy the game.
I'm huffing on whatever copium was left from the announcement trailer, but I can't deny your conclusions. Let's just hope that, if there is any, discourse would be heard from the remaining AC fans still breathing when this game comes out and whenever it's AC7's turn in 2033, they'll understand that there's two separate target audiences for these games. Honestly feel that if this game just came out as a Japan exclusive rather than a worldwide release it'd be more faithful and unapologetic. Just two more months, I guess...
The only good point I’ve seen from the “just trust FromSoft” crowd is that the changes might help the game sell better. Assumably the next sequel could reintroduce more aiming and piloting gameplay once the IP was revived.
(The obvious issue is that From would still be financially incentivized to play it safe with the next AC game) Also HOW THE FUCK are people still ok with the same formula they’ve been making since 2009?
@@BlueIron64I have no idea man. This is why gatekeeping is a good thing in my eyes. See what happens to board games and other media when they want to expand their audience
@@nihilblue9669 now here is a based reply. Haven't seen such a good comment in a long time, cheer's.
it's the first entry in over 10 years, regardless of what from does, old fans will be pissed, there is nothing they could've done to change that, if they stuck to classic armoured core gameplay, old fans would just say that it's nothing new and they waited 10 years for an AC1/2/3/4/5 clone
I just want the turn speeds back.
Hearing you lay it all out like this, I can really see why AC fans are frustrated now. Like i sort of understood before, but thought people were just being whiny. Glad to be proven wrong
Guy has never played the game before but is already complaining. That's textbook definition of being whiny.
@@123nicanor It all depends on the manner of communication. You can express concern for particular design choices while still maintaining good faith. That sort of thing could come off as whining or complaining to some, but I would say it is totally valid and valuable to the conversation.
I’m at the point now better to just wait for the demo. Or the real game no one can say with 100% accuracy that this game will play like a souls game or not I watched VaatiVidya video. But wasn’t convinced the quick turn is an input the player has make. The AC doesn’t turn just because your “locked on”.
Finaly an ac content creator I agree with haha. I feel there is this whole thing going on once again where everyone who is somewhat critical of the new thing in a franchise is called "toxic" and "gatekeepers"...never expected this kind of "just consume product-metality" from this comunity tbh.
Im fine with people being excited, good for them! But that doesnt mean Im forced to be excited too haha.
I also feel this game is maybe not going to be for me, which I obviously did expect it to be considering I loved all previous ac games. This looks closer to Daemon X Machina which I personally disliked very much. I'll obviously hold off on my final opinion untill ive played the game but im definitely managing my expectations now after the lastest gameplay reveal. And I have just as much right to my opinion as someone who holds the oposite view.
Dude, comparing it to Daemon X Machina.... low blow man. That game is so incredibly bad, I was shocked to hear a new one is being worked on.
problem is some people are ACTUALLY gatekeeping and toxic about it. but this goes both ways.
the unfortunate side effect of what some of these people did is that now the majority of each respective side got dragged and grouped up together into these.
@@CasepbX admit, maybe a bit harsh :p
But daemon x machina initialy looked impressive as well.
Theres someone else who commented that without the more sim like control aspects it quickly just turn into standard mech game nr112, which is probably a more apt description of what I mean.
Regarding the community mentality comment - I genuinely refuse to consider the modern Souls community in the same vein as what it used to be. Sekiro, Dark Souls 3 and now Elden Ring especially have led to such a humongous influx of newcomers with a mainstream mindset that the overall atmosphere has shifted to such a degree that there's practically no resemblance to the old mentality left anymore. And this new crowd is very much in line with the "just consume the product" approach from what I've seen. Which isn't even meant to be qualitative statement, just an observation.
Personally I love the Souls series, but what I loved AC for was so beautifully distinct that it is absolutely a massive bummer to see this design shift in my eyes. Especially considering the game is made by Miyazaki, who I always considered to be a vision-first-business-later sort of director. But I guess after the humongous success of ER it's hard not to acquiesce to that trend to at least some degree.
You tell them man!
Christ this comment section devolved FAST. My condolences - both for the shitstorm flooding your notifications right now and much more so for the situation with your father. Take care man, the people that enjoy your content will still be here when things clear up. I'll try to catch your stream when AC6 releases!
Discussions with Dark Souls fans always end up like this. That was made abundantly clear when some asked for an easy mode in Dark Souls and Elden Ring.
@@Maximum432 Sad thing is I'm a fan of the Souls games as well, I used to love that community. Something changed with the release of DS3 and even more so with the release of ER. This new crowd is... yeah.
@@Maximum432 It's because they think they're not only super good at video games but also experts in game design and artistry for some reason. No clue why Souls makes a lot of people so pretentious. Yeah Souls games are good and they're challenging, but hardest games ever? Best designed games ever? Let's see if Souls players can get past the Turbo Tunnel in Battletoads or get decently competent in a fighting game then see what they have to say.
@@Maximum432 discussion with some ac fans have been painful. Is that to say all AC fans act like this? Of course not. The souls fandom is just much larger when you compare it ratio to ratio. How many comments have I seen that go "souls babies ruined armored core" without adding anything of value to the conversation?
@@cheekybreeky3775 _Some_ AC fans behave that way. You will never convince me that is equivalent to the outpouring of vitriol when anyone asks for easy difficulty option in any Souls game, or shouting down AC fans while simultaneously accusing them of gatekeeping (without a hint of irony) for holding a different opinion to the mob. This channel is one of the few places where AC fans are not being dogpiled.
People are violently arguing against me that it isnt a Soulslike, and it is. Even the specific timing of all the animations like dodging, attacking, and "sprinting" are the exact same.
People call me an idiot, because I deduced that this game is a soulslike for more than just the fact that mechanics are literally just being reused again from the Souls games, but its also literally just the same engine. The models have been replaced and flying and a few other new movement mechanics have been added. Thats it.
FACTS! You tell them! Those people who still say _"It isn't Souls-like"_ are just sucking a huge long barrel of Copium and are straight-up lying!
@@killcount6534 So games like DMC 3, God Eater Burst, Monster Hunter, Dynasty Warriors and other games with lock on system and reflex based dodging are all souls like? Cuz all of those games has lock on systems and reflex based dodging mechanics, like AC6 looks its gonna have. You guys played one old AC game and think you know how to develop a game LMFAO I played older AC games too and I don't think I'm a game developer 🤣🤣That's just idiotic
@@123nicanor uhhhh, where’d you get all that? No…? I’m saying it’s a soulslike cause it’s literally based on Sekiro, running on the Dark Souls engine, and the specific animation timings are the exact same as all of their other games?
@@killcount6534 So what if its running on Dark Souls Engine? Street Fighter 6 is using RE Engine and it doesn't play anywhere near like Resident Evil. Its running how it was intended by the devs. Like I said above, you're not a game developer, you don't know anything about a game and how its created. You literally know nothing of what you're talking about. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED THE GAME YET. Like I said, thats just idiotic 🤣🤣
i get your point, but at the same time "play like a souls game" i think is an overexageration ( is that a word ?) i think once we get our hands on the game that we will be able to give proper judgement, for what i can see the gameplay is very diffrent to a soullike due the fact you can just, you know fly, it adds a whole dimension and difference to the gameplay, i dont think quick boosting gives , and i dont see your being able to have 13 repair pack, we dont know how much a repair pack heals for as well, and how long missions will take, perhaps they are quite long which would lead to heals being a new ressource
the main thing which i dont get is mid mission swapping, how the hell do you summon your garage out of nowhere, and if you have to pay for the damage your mech takes, its gonna cost you a lot to swap back and forth
for now i remain hyped and will play the game, people that are skeptical will get their final opinion once they get to play the game thats how i see it
I'd say a way of keeping both hard-lock and manual-lock, is by having limited FCS\Radar\Heads that have them or having all of them have verying effectiveness, as for turn rate, yikes
The onky changes im iffy on are the hard lock and changing your loadout mid-mission. All the other additions: larger more detailed maps, reactive boss fights, the stagger system, regular enemies having more offensive options, melee overhaul, etc, are all welcome in my book. As long as the game is fun I honestly dont care wht they do. Im not a big soulslike fan, but i do like Sekiro and thats what the new AC seems closer to in terms of the rhythm of combat.
some people from the sgf said something like the quick turning is manual, so i'm not that worried about the lockon
but yeah estus flask and changing AC mid mission is kinda..
automatic quick turn doesn't make any sense, Vati has really gone too far spreading false informations about the game
I think estus promotes exploration and essentially it's a gamble for more money
My first Armored Core game was Armored Core 4, playing it at the age of 7. The order of games I played it was 4, 2AA, 3, LR, V, FA, VD, 3SL, 2, and emulated 1-MOA. I have over 500 hours logged in 3, LR, and VD. I'd like to think at this point i reached veteran status with the franchise. Lol
I watched the gameplay demo and noticed a lot of other old AC fans are frustrated with some of the stuff. If I can help ease any anger within the community, I want to try.
I think with each reboot we as players find old mechanics from previous games while finding new ones. This isn't anything particularly new with gaming, but it is good to point out that the AC franchise has had so many reboots, we are at a point where we like and dislike certain aspects of each gane respectively.
With ACLR, I thoroughly enjoyed the amount of parts available but struggled with finding consistency with heat, generators, radiators, and boosters all while a lot of the back parts require for quad and tank legs in without Human Plus.
In AC FA I found to be one of the mpre rewarding AC games with its regulation files and customization. What I dislkled about the game would have to be the lack of details on a portion of maps as opposed to its previous instalment, Armored Core 4. I may be a little niased on this and open to criticism (on all of this lol), but I feel like there was a larger variety of maps and areas in AC4. I know why, but it is something that I feel should be pointed out.
Now, I like ACV and VD and spent my time playing it exclusively offline. I did not get the chance to experience fighting other players or take on the bosses. A lot of it being reduced to what it was in 4 and FA, I felt at the time it was something that I could still get on board with. Because no matter the reboot, the theme has always been consistent. Humanity fighting, corporations with their greed, AI attacking humanity, etc. Graphics for V weren't as ideal for me but I liked some of the side characters.
Chief and RD were my favorites in V. The sheer energy of Wally Wingert as a villain was wonderful. VD took what they learned from V and refined it to be even better.
V had its own checkpoints and could call in for resupply or temporary part swapping. For the story missions it had, it felt somewhat immersive. And while sure it did make things easier to a degree, the game gave you more rewards if you stuck to your old AC routes and tried to tackle everything without these aids. I specifically remember fighting Zodiac ACs and just the effort of getting to them was without the use of resupply and making sure your AP doesn't fall below a certain point. This ket factor here is why I am not worried with AC VI. They will give you all of this support, but it is entirely up to you as a player if you want to use it or not.
VD however had its own problems in its own right. I felt customization was the most difficult with this game given the parts and the legs with their load capacity. Unlike other AC games, I couldn't really experiment around for the fun of it. My biggest worry for Fires of Rubicon will be how much I can customize. The amount of parts doesn't always make up for how limiting your energy and equip load will be.
My concerns for VI feel somewhat small considering everything FromSoftware has showed us thus far, and will be fine once we start playing.
I'm not a particular fan of the reticle for VI, it looks a little too much like V/VD, and seems a little redundant if our weapon data is on the bottom right (thank you Vaati with your photographic memory). I do like the enemy status shown when locking on however. Hard locks and soft locks are of no concern to me as Arnored Core 4 is the biggest example of using that specific mechanic. You can lock on to enemies but by pretting the righy joystick, you pull up a camera view and have a hard lock on that specific enemy. I found it qite helpful due to 4th Gen's extreme speeds with their quick boosting. And even in FA we had a similar hard lock on other enemies and NEXTs, it was an audio que and color shift on your FCS.
Everything we've seen thus far with VI has included the use of a melee weapon. Take it however you will, but I think when I first get my hands on my copy, I'm going to see how far I can get with dual wielding any ranged weapons. Staggering in AC isn't anything new, we have had that all the way back since the first AC game on the PS1. From grenade launchers to linear cannons, to heavy missiles, to snipers (4 and up with this specific weapon class), to laser blades, etc.
I think what I'm trying to say is that this shouldn't write any AC veterans off. Like all the other AC games, we'll grab it, play it, and find things from older games, things we don't like, and things we do like
I’ll be honest, this whole discourse over this gameplay footage drained and soured me a lot. I’ve went from rediscovering a series I liked as a kid using the rumors of AC6 to play the whole series and falling in love, in which I was excited just to talk about it. To almost dreading talking about it period. I was trying to figure out what was bothering me so much about this whole discourse from ideas of, overexposure, unfounded expectations, the clickbaits or whatever. To which I think I understand why it’s been getting to me. The grand majority of people engaging in this are arguing over a complete ARBITRARY definition of what makes an Armored Core game and what makes a Souls game.
This is not to dismiss concerns, I have my own, but lot of t I’m seeing comes off as, “Mechanic A from AC6 shares similarities of this mechanic found in Game B, thus this is Game B.”. Regardless if they frame it as a positive or negative.
You can notice that can swing to either calling it “Armored Core” or “Soulsborne” for Game B. When we have to realize that we need to have the self awareness of the definition of what is or isn’t Armored Core is different from person to person. For Answer in some peoples eyes is not Armored Core. Armored Core V in others is not Armored Core. To which you can agree or disagree with, but it ties to the point. You probably don’t give a fuck what my definition of Armored Core is, someone might not give a fuck about yours. Want to know who I know for DAMN sure doesn’t care about any of our arbitrary definitions? It’s Fromsoftware. It’s been a 10 year gap from an underperformed game in terms of sales. And in that time frame, they released a game that sold 20 million copies. That’s not a sales = quality argument that’s influence and change were going to happen regardless. However I think people misconstrued what is and isn’t a direct soulsborne influence and what’s general 3D action game influences or logical progression in their eyes. Fromsoftware could have been pushing Elden Ring DLC for the game awards but chose AC6. This is a game they wanted to make and push over more cash from their most successful title ever. Also an important reminder is that Sekiro was suppose to be a new Tenchu originally. However they felt it wasn’t enough like Tenchu so they made it something else. With how they stress over and over AC6 is an Armored Core game, in their eyes all the important aspects that makes AC is there to them. Otherwise this really would have been called Armored Souls… or Frame Gride 2 I guess.
I for one when watching this gameplay my mind didn’t go to “Soulsborne” overall. My mind said “Damn, I’m really getting some Zone of the Enders vibes here and there.” And guess what? Someone is probably wanting to strangle me right now for even insinuating that correlation exists cause my definition of what ZoE is doesn’t matches theirs. Think that’s the crutch of the issue all in all. I find bringing up healing solely as a “soulsborne” addition for example really undermines and works of a lot of assumptions we don’t know for sure. Big one being mission length, one thing I was guilty of was comparing to ACV as my frame of reference when reality is those missions are like 20 minutes where AC6 could be 40 to an HOUR for a mission for all we know. To which a no animation 3 stock replenish might be a godsend cause picturing doing a 40 minute mission in Last Raven with no heals nor ammo replenishment would shit my pants. I think the criticism you brought up for example that has a lot more weight is the checkpoint garage changing of AC where it can encourage sloppier boss design. Mainly cause it’s not based on anyone’s arbitrary definitions, it’s an actual concern that kind of decision can lead to. Much like my issue with healing is more the idea of being able to use it mid combat when I think it would be a lot more satisfying to plan out an encounter and decide if I need to use one of my resupplies now or later instead of using it when you’re about to die.
I’ve been down this road before with another game and series I held with high regard which was Guilty Gear Strive. I ultimately did not like the game, and a have lots of issues with it, but my criticism of it compared to why I dislike it is not hand in hand if it’s Guilty Gear or not. I can imagine it’ll be a similar case for people with this game too. The important thing about that though is ASW rereleased and updated the older titles that I did love so now I can play them as just as viable of an option as the new game. So that’s the real thing we ALL need to be bitching at Fromsoftware about is not AC6 is too soulslike. Instead we should be bitching about is WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HD COLLECTION/RERELEASE OF OLD ARMORED CORE GAMES. Add back netplay to the titles and we’ll all be laughing even if AC6 doesn’t tickle the fancy. Enjoy your content and hope the best for you.
Good comment. Do you think the concerns about the lock on are legitimate?
Any concern can be legitimate, but it’s important to be aware on why you might be having that concern. Be it a personal or critical one. So in regards to the lock on system I think it’s very valid to say something even like, “From what I’ve seen the hard lock on changes the systems and gameplay in a way I would not prefer for AC6 if it functions in the way I believe it does” or whatever. That’s fine cause it’s all speculation. What I’m not fine with is thinking it’s a cut and dry solved mechanic. Because if it really is just the dark souls lock on then the simple question arises. “If it is just a dark souls lock on, why does FCS still exist?”
To my knowledge soulsborne does not have any mechanic similar to the FCS and it’s a sweat off my brow cause I thought it was removed from the gameplay trailer because I was able to tell hard lock on was there prior. However with the FCS system that opens up a whole can of worms of what on earth it does and how it effects the lock ons? Do certain ones are more melee focused and have a stronger hard lock on while being weak in regards to ranged soft? Is it just for soft lock on or does it effect hard lock on itself? Lot of questions which ties to the point that, we may know a lot more of the game now, but Armored Core 6 is still far away from a “solved” game.
Fine to have concerns, fine to not like what you see or disagree with From’s approach of the game, but we can’t pretend we know everything under the hood already.
Yeah as I played Armored Core Nine Breaker in the PS2 and Armored Core 4 on Xbox 360 but never played a souls game except Elden Rings for 30 minutes by a friend so yeah it’s gonna be very new to me and have to acknowledge it’s a soulsgame play style than an armored core game but tbh is it weird which I like the playstyle gameplay of the Gen 2 AC and Gen 3 AC more than the upcoming one
The only point I agree with is swapping stuff mid-mission. Everything else seems nit-picky and like removal of unfun mechanics. I would rather have a fast paced action game that plays smoothly than a tedious "make sure to keep looking at the enemy" type game. There is a reason the last single joystick console was the n64.
Regarding the hard lock-on, there could be expansion parts that act like 'radar jammers', disabling enemy AC/ MTs from locking onto your AC. If parts like this were to be included, I can imagine that it'll force, especially in PvP, enemies to work around the 'souls-like combat' facilitated by a lock-on and instead employ a more aim heavy strategy.
The fUtuRe iS noW oLd maN! But for real I get this take as a souls fan I would always mock people that wanted to makes souls games easier and different to be more "accessible " and now I'm on the other side of the coin. It would messed up if I just dismissed opinions like this. I never heard of ac and I never bought a ac game I'm not one of the players that supported this game, so I think it's important to respect the vets out there. I'm optimist though, my hope is this will get souls fans like me a taste of ac, and when we take the bait Form can make future ac games less souls like if that makes sense. I'm looking at this as a intro into ac not an endpoint.
I completely hear you, brother. I played the original Armored Core game on the PS1 when it first came out. I loved it, and spent hours on it. It broke my heart when newer Armored Core games became much faster paced. I hated how my multi-ton AC was skating around as if on ice. It no longer felt like I was a pilot controlling my AC; I felt like I *was* the AC.
But, in the end, I had to accept that times change, games evolve, and I can't do anything about it. I'm part of your minority. I will still play AC6, and I'm sure I will enjoy it. But you are correct; won't be the Armored Core we fell in love with all those years ago.
- "And with the majority op people, those were positive changes"
Wrong. 4th and 5th gen were heavily criticized by core fanbase. It's commonly known why 5th gen was hated(multiplayer focus, scan, and etc), but 4th gen also faced a lot of backlash.
Wharever you agree with this or not, AC4 objectifully removed any aim from the game, and offered less build divercity. You still can build heavy and tank leg builds, but lightwight flight mechs are the 4th gen meta. And also no Human plus.
If you want to see proof - search old forum posts, and you will see a lot of discussions there.
Lol I was so confused when I heard the same voice from the Last Raven video I watched. Nice to still see you in the community man.