preeeeeetty much. and you'll get punished with hellfire for not having been given the holy spirit in order to let you believe. christian morality is the best. /s
first year engineering students could design a much better eye than god did. btw what's with the horrible design of a trachea and esophagus leading to one opening guaranteeing that thousands of people every year will choke to death on their food. As Neil Tyson says it's not a hard request: dolphins have two separate tubes - not a hard request for people.
There's no need to respect ridiculous beliefs, it's an insult in a way - patronizing someone with dumb beliefs is like patting a child on the head and not explaining things as though it'd be over their head. Not challenging dumb beliefs protects bad ideas rather than scrutinizing them to be better. In the idea marketplace, the best ideas should be given more attention, and if one cannot defend their ideas - that alone should give them a reason to reconsider.
@@lanao2377 That reminds when I quoted "wives should submit to their husbands" and the person said " But that is Old Testament stuff" and carried on to defend women rights in the Bible. That made me facepalm as it is in the New Testament.
@@brookie18cookie70 shows how much you know about the Bible. wives submit themselves to their husbands and husbands love their wives and it works out wonderfully as this is God's design. The man is the protector and the provider and the woman is the nurturer and helpmeet.
My youngest daughter latched onto the flying spaghetti monster as a preteen and I loved how she would say his suggestions were so much kinder. Instead of " thou shall not" it was "I'd really rather you wouldn't." This is the same child that made me proud when Bible thumpers came to our door and asked her, " have you found Jesus? " she answered without hesitation....yeap, he was behind the sofa the whole time, who'd have thought ? And shut the door. She's raising free thinking children. ❤
Regarding the theists who claim atheism is just another religion. Ask them if they'd sign a petition granting atheist organizations the same tax breaks that all the other religions receive. I haven't had any takers on that proposition yet.
@Jeff B Bad idea. Theists already try to claim that evolution is a religion and not science, and if atheist organizations were to claim the same tax breaks as a religion then theists would use it as an argument to remove evolution from school science classrooms.
@@EvieDoesTH-cam As much as I like the 'put your money where your mouth is' view, I have to admit that what Evie says is true. That's one area in which Pastafarianism has actually failed. Believers are pointing at FSM and saying "If they get tax breaks then we should keep ours!" in the usual complete lack of self awareness. Note that I don't know if Pastafarians do get tax breaks. Just using that as an example of someone using the parody to justify further material worthy of parody. Parody fails if the parodied takes it seriously. Unfortunately.
What a beautiful wrapup, Seth. Explaining how the apologists are the reason for you realizing you are an atheist. I have a similar conviction. It was getting into Christian apologetics in order to defend my faith better that drove me to atheism eventually.
The Ark story is much simpler to debunk. Start at the beginning. A 600 year old illiterate farmer, his two 100 year old farmer sons, their wives and two children supposedly built the largest wooden boat ever, first try they got it perfect and leak free. Or they also built one hell of a bilge pump.....never mentioned. And they did this in a part of the world where THERE ARE NO TREES of sufficient size to provide the massive timbers you need to build huge wooden structures, ESPECIALLY ones that have to float and survive the worst storm in history.
kim weaver i like the example that bill nye gave against ken ham. He showed the Wyoming schooner and explained that it was made by the best shipwrights available, but its size caused it to writhe and bend and ultimately sink. it was only 75% of the size of the supposed "ark".
JW - apologist : Noah was able to be 600 yeats old in perfect shape because the people was not that much corrupted through sin back in this days - his DNA was therefor cleaner and healthier. Over generations the peole become more syc and live less long because of the sins duplicated with every generation... He was able to build that gigantic ark because god told him haw - gods advise. He was able to do that only with the little help from his family because god thold him so. Haw was he able to do that in that short time. The elephants transport the trees - because god thold them to do so. What eat all the animals ? - they dont have to eat - god put them in a sleep - so they dont have to eat. Haw they not starve in the sleep ? - Gods magic... Its cra - cra - crazy - The JW - have the worst indoktrination - they start with the 4 years old and they hsve the answer for ALL -
I am grateful to Christian apologists for making me realize I could give up blind faith, because there was *evidence* for my beliefs. Thanks to the apologists, I had evidence and didn't need faith anymore. Then, after I later realized the evidence wasn't any good after all, I was no longer willing to fall back onto the safety net of faith and so I could accept that Christianity wasn't true.
Of all of the videos on this channel, this is probably my favorite. I love the introduction, and the explanations amuse me like watching extreme nerd fans trying to explain why the show was impeccable and the creators could do no wrong.
The abundance of gospel documents is easily explained by the fact that the first Christian emperors had them mass-produced and handed out to the populace, and that they *burned libraries with 'üagan' works* in them, which would include the Odissey, since it features an angry Poseidon as the primary antagonist. Before it became the roman state reliion, there's only a thin paper trail of not even a single full document, but fragments that dries up in the second century. Besides, Christianity might've easily died out during the migration period if not for a single preacher who translated it to the visigoth language. If not for it, and the military success of that tribe, we might be worshipping (or arguing the nonexistence of) Thor today.
One of my favorite comments I've heard about Noah's ark, and I don't know how accurate this actually is, is that if you put two of every creature into pokeballs, eliminating the need of food and "waste" while at the same time reducing the size of most animals, you would still not be able to fit them all on Noah's ark given the dimensions in the bible
I actually did that once in a sense. A minecraft mod let me capture all the mobs in pokeballs. Just two of each _minecraft_ mob barely fit on that ark.
Great podcast as always. I agree that indoctrination and not teaching critical thinking to kids is dangerous. I was raised as a fundamentalist and was taught evolution was wrong and just trust the bible. I am now an atheist and I would credit critical thinking as the main reason since those beliefs did not hold up to the scrutiny I apply to my work. I think critical thinking, above all else, needs to be taught to all kids, because if we teach them how to think, the possibilities are endless
10:24 ABSOLUTELY TRUE! If the Bible is inerrant, inspired word of an omniscient, all knowing God, that cares for us and keeps it current to guide our lives, the following things should not exist: 1. Bible differing from reality. 2. Bible self-contradictions. 3. Bible contradicting findings & discoveries. 4. Bible miss-translations. 5. Several Bible versions. 6. Bible editing by religions. 7. Omissions and self-censorship of passages. 8. Literal passages changed into metaphorical. 9. Apologists.
I would like to ask the lady if it is actually possible for anyone to hold beliefs and not live by them or not act on them. A person's belief system is their world view- it is the lens through which they see the world and the guide by which they interact with it. This is why believers lovingly pass their faith, culture and traditions unto their children and share it with their friends. The earth is not both flat and round, bile is never both green and white. No matter if choose to agree to disagree, the truth does not have an infinitely wide spectrum. The right to free speech is not the right to be correct or to be non-comical. I'll agree with H L Mencken where he said "We must respect the other fellow's religion but only in the sense and the respect that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.". Here, permit me to replace religion with opinions.
At about 48:00 in, I was reminded of something one an elementary school teacher once told our class... gosh, I must have been about 8 or 9. She told us, "Respect should be something that is honestly earned." I'm 41 now & I still remember that.
@TheThinkingAtheist INCREDIBLE PODCAST! I LOVE YOUR MATERIAL! I LOVE THIS PODCAST! I like what you said towards the end about how you were raised in a religious family, like me, Baptist, which was just CRAZY, and it was "Get 'em while their young!" That's exactly how it was for me too! I was a Christian, but now atheist. It made even less sense as I got older and smarter. My grandparents are EXTREMELY religious! My grandfather told me last X-mas: "The Earth is 6000 years old." ULTIMATE FACEPALM!
Being a trained Christian apologist & in divinity studies & theology (but now a staunch Atheist & anti-christ 6.9 on the Dawkins Scale & a hard 7.0 on the same scale in concern the Abrahamic faiths) this just tickled my pickle & gave me the giggles (like reading much of the Bible, in any form, does now). But ... now training in Atheist Epistemology & trained in Secular Philosophy (having a DPhil) I'm glad for my Christian training because it makes me a well armed & formidable aponent.
question the big provider in the sky. I love this podcast. To know that there are many more like me out there is comforting. My loss is still an unfortuneate fact in my life, but I am grateful for the deliverance, the freedom I and my wife now experience. Argue as some will, the fact is simple and easy to udnerstand: there simply is no eveidence, not even in the minutest form, of the possibility that a great spirit who lives in the sky made us and even gives a damn what happens.
There is a difference between ridiculing the ideas and the person holding the idea. But when a person claimed to be defined by a bad idea then the line is blurred...
Nice response to the teacher who says respect everything in all circumstances. It's like saying there are no wrong answers on school tests. You have to earn respect.
Thats not what she meant she meant respect people right to free thought as long as it doesnt become action. If WB started executing gays she obviously would call for the group to be imprisoned to put down militarily. She meant you have to respect right to think absurd things. What do you have asbergers? Cant read people?
Please explain to me the methodical processes "Within" a screw. Dont tell me what it can be a part of. Lets talk about the screw itself. Dose a screw by itself all alone have systems and process "within it". Its just a curled up piece of metal.
I can still remember being a kid and having a greater emotional intelligence and reasoning capacity than the adults around me. My sister would constantly say "what do you know? You're just a little kid." And, I would inevitably be right. But, I know exactly what you are talking about when talking to believers. And...they will continue to talk to you in that same tone even as you get older. They talk to you as if you are "just going through a phase."
From what I understand the whole Eye of the needle, is referencing to the "Needle" gate in the city that was much smaller and used at night. It was possible to get a camel (non-human animal ) onto it's knees and squeeze one through.
Excellent podcast good sir! Man you really put the reality out there on the religious dinner table to get served harder than elbow shots at a basketball game!
I get the one about believers having a magical understanding a lot. I tell them they have it backwards. Proof doesn't follow belief. Belief follows proof.
A screw translates rotary motion into linear motion, a motion dictated by the form of it's parts, but you've taken away the input, thus cheating your own definition of a system. When Joseph Whitworth after whom the first standard for threads is named, invented the micrometer, what is the system to produce the output data?
Richard Dawkins' book 'The Selfish Gene' that I picked up in Grade School was a real game changer for me. I can't believe my Parents let me read it .... and I actually hid it from them .... it was treated as taboo as pornography & was a bit of contraband & thus made it exciting to read for me. Lol. Thank you Mr. Dawkins
welcome to the tap dance! the dogs might not have been the best example because of the way that the species has been adapted from the initial wolf for various human needs over time. but at the same time, there are pics from many ancient peoples showing dogs, and there is even footprints of the dog following people into caves where petroglyphs are found(i think they were in france)
Great late night listening, great to nod off to. British radio is shit. I live in a country where the vast majority are innately atheist and even the Christians I know don't believe in hellfire and damnation. I really feel for someone who is told that when a kid.
When I WAS a Christian many year's ago I always prayed to a so-called God to watch over my 4 kid's and protect them. Well if God was real 2 of my kid's wouldn't be DEAD!!! They were both only 38 year's old when they passed away.
Children who finally realize how silly it was that they believed Santa was real and their parents were enjoying lying to them are most likely to eventually take a closer look at religions as a similar ploy to sell you something you do not need. Any superstition is poison to rational use of the human mind. Many people can and will use your superstition against you and assume you already believe in god. What god? Which one? The one with no last name?
Any "failing" in "perfect creation" is almost always explained about by Christian apologists as being due to the intrusion of sin into the world after the fall. Sin is their get out of jail free card.
Arvidius ツ LeVay Satanism is a religion & its growing faster then any other religion that's because it is non-spiritual, it does not involve worship of a deity, Satan and Baphomet are only used as symbol's, its a Atheistic philosophy which mean's they are all Atheist's.
+Serino Modica Atheism doesn't want you, satanism is a loser's club. Atheists tend to be smarter, that's true, but it doesn't apply to you as your poor grasp of grammar reveals. Whether you worship a deity or not, LeVey satanism is still a religion, it's a cult and it's just as silly as any other religion. You're the second person I've encountered trying to associate atheism with satanism, and that other person turned out to be a fundamentalist Christian. So I'll ask you the same question that I asked him: Do you believe in god? Say you don't believe in Jesus. Don't say "satanists don't believe in Jesus", I'm asking _you_, do _you_ believe in Jesus?
Eve Again Hey I'm not here to defend satanism. It is annoying when Christians compare atheists to them. But one can have poor grammar and still be smart. I have atrocious grammar and I'm still pretty smart, even if I say so myself. LOL
Pressure moves. In order to change, we need to move it from where it’s from to a place where it will be right for everyone. Opposing views creates opposing force. We can’t reform anything when we stay passive because we’re so concern about respect even those ideas that don’t deserve it. We need to discuss and debate ideas we disagree so we can understand each other and perhaps reach a consensus where it can be acceptable to everyone.
Wow this is so funny. I remember a long time ago when I used to go to church, a priest analyzed that exact passage in the introduction. He said the eye of the needle was some escape hole in the walls of a city used a night when the doors were closed or something like that.
@TheThinkingAtheist I agree with you I bet you get many many calls so to keep the show flowing and not go on forever because instead on an hour you would be on all day just talking to people some need more time and others don't, I love your show.
Well stretch bolts have internal structure which reacts to tension, head bolts which react to temperature, variable pitch screws, Archimedian screws with pitch related to lift angle, and, like DNA, they can transmit information. I'm still waiting for your precise definition of systematic structure.
@2011mrwest So, if our creation is proof of God's existence, then who's creation is He proof of? Who created God? Either way you have to conclude that something came from nothing, why can't it be the universe in which we live?
Once again a crystal is not a systematic structure. It dose not have a system "WITHIN IT". A crystal can be a part of a system like a trilobites eye but the crystal itself has no methodical process within it. Just like a screw can be a part of a machine which is a systematic structure, but the screw itself dose not have a system within it. And excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by DNAs agency or mechanism? Are you asking whats the mechanism that jumped started the development of DNA?
@FluffyFeralMarmot Have you also taken all the natural disasters, such as the Lake Toba erruption for example, which created a "bottleneck" in human evolution into your account? The times of famine, disease etc? That would decrease population growth and slow things down.
You mean apart from the pitch, major diameter, effective diameter, minor diameter, crest form, root form, material characteristics, all of which must work together systematically. I havent mentioned tapered thread screws, like the 4 1/2" IF threads previously used for 5" drill pipe, now superceeded by the NC50 thread with stress relief, the DSTJ or WT50 high torque variations. (WT are mind blowing, two double dovetails sealing on the flanks.) Now, let's talk about interrupted threads.
Well...😃 She believes that her beliefs do not necessarily inform her actions. She is acting on that belief by not acting on her unmentioned but potentially odious other beliefs.
When you choose your beliefs based on what is tangible and credible rather than what your parents or your preacher (Or your book) tells you to believe, there is a true freedom in life. Ever since I became an atheist (and a materialist for that matter) I have been more inquisitive and intrigued about everything. That being said, religion is a part of human nature which has been ingrained in all cultures since we first came into being - you can live a happy life with your own beliefs too.
1:00:38 Exactly! You don't find atheists doubting actual first century figures ecause of 'oldness'. Julius Caesar? Left lots of Statues who all look the same, left writings, is the reason french sounds more like italian than Welsh. Yeah. This is one of the best documented periods in history. There was somene keeping track of Jewish cults and heresies, and no mention of that Jesus dude....
expert: and unknown quantity (X) under intense pressure (spurt) :) once again, thank you.i hear your story, and the story of some others and i hear my story.i sometimes feel very stupid when i think of how long it took me to see the questions i had were valid and not a 'lack of faith'. however, no one in the atheist community has made me feel stupid.reason and logic demand that if we accept a false idea, we change. there is no shame in admitting we are wrong, and change is a great thing...
44:13 Sushi FTW And yeah. The first apologist book I got impressed me more (relatively speaking; I'm positive my parents didn't read nor agree with that little piece of misanthropism) before I was aware of the common tropes and how he was just repeating other stuff...
First off, you have a great name. As for the rest, that is very frustrating. I was actually thinking about this on my way home from work last night; about how often people talk to someone young as if they are stupid simply because they believe they are not knowledgeable. It is a good rule of communication, to never overestimate someone's knowledge, but never underestimate their intelligence.
Feelings are often irrational, they can look like an enemy of logic and reason. However, logic by itself cannot solve the problems and inconsistencies of the world. Experience is what brings the two together, and makes it possible for us to decide what's true/real. And that's why religion cannot ever beat scepticism, because it already denied logic in favor of feelings, while openly discourages us from experiencing things by ourselves.
Strange when you think about it that everything ate plants before the fall of man and yet the only animals that became carnivores after the fall were the ones that once ate coconuts.
The eye is fun. If you wanna do the blind spot thing, get a bit of paper and draw a + and a O on it about two inches apart. Cover your left eye and look at the left symbol. Move the paper slowly closer. You should see the other symbol vanish at a certain distance. That's the blind spot. The brain covers the spot with what it expects to be there based on the surroundings, so in this instance the brain covers the symbol with the white of the paper. The inverted image one is even more fun. I don't have a source for it, but I heard of an experiment that involved people wearing goggles that inverted the image they saw. So de-inverted what the brain does. Everything upside down. After a few days of bumping into things and dropping test tubes and whatnot while wearing these things, they wake up one morning while still wearing the goggles and discover the world is the right way up. Take the goggles off and it's all upside down. The brain 'corrected' what it was processing. Forcing them to re-correct back to normal. This MIGHT be just an amusing tale, as I've not seen anything confirming it and I heard it many years ago, but if you consider how adaptive and flexible the brain is it's a fairly believable tale, no? If anyone has a source for this, I'd love to be able to cite it. So please pop a reply in if you find it.
@axsimulate We are trying to find the origins of something we have discovered whether it be organic or inorganc. All of the elements needed to make machine are throughout the cosmos. We have natural forces like fire, wind, and gravity that can actually make a machine. And like the machinery, you cant demonstrate DNA was created. Im just trying to figure out why there is a double standard? This is not consistent. Are you asserting a machine cant be made randomly?
What is the live broadcast frequency and/or online radio station and schedule?? Ive had the urge to intervene a lot of time but since this is prerecorded i cant. Any info will be much appreciated. Thanks
I forgot who said this, but I think it is a fitting quote for this podcast: "No one ever disbelieved in God more than when philosophers tried to prove him."
The intro was funny. :) Heres a couple more problems with the ark. If the water covered Mt Everest, ....FREEZE! Im doubting all our atmospheric levels would adjust in just 20 or so days of rain, then readjust afterwards. The cold would be catastrophic. Also, adding 3 miles of mass to this planet would increase its gravity. For most animals, this would crush them under their own weight. And last, where does the water go? Evaporate in 20 days? That is sure to cause a green house effect.
To Flo: There are some wonderful deconversion stories on youtube which can help you understand how intelligent people can be religious and then come to atheism. Evid3nc3's "Why I am no longer a Christian" and LovingDoubt's "Journey to Atheism" are probably my favorites.
What every apologist must learn: it's not easy acting as defense attorney for a mass murderer.
Being a Christian apologist does put one in roughly the same position as the defense lawyers at Nuremburg.
@@jenniferbrewer5370 Being a christian apologist calls into question the intellectual honesty of the person defending questionable dogma.
To quote Patton Oswalt "I have to acknowledge your beliefs. I don't have to respect them".
Ooer, I like that one. I also like the idea that if we have to respect their belief, they have to respect our lack of belief.
"You don't understand because you haven't accepted the Holy Spirit." --- Translation: "Unless you believe it already, you can't expect to believe it."
Someone I know said the same thing about a fortune teller when I expressed my desire to skeptically test said person.
Another translation: "In order to believe the delusions, you must already be delusional."
@@etawhitii then state a counter argument 🙄
preeeeeetty much. and you'll get punished with hellfire for not having been given the holy spirit in order to let you believe. christian morality is the best. /s
Pretty much religion in a nutshell😂
"never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" Mark Twain
Never argue with an idiot in public. The audience can't tell the difference. - No idea, but it gets trotted out with Twain's experience quote.
I've started listening to the archived podcast, starting with episode 1, and I had to come here and tell you how wonderful the intro is.
first year engineering students could design a much better eye than god did. btw what's with the horrible design of a trachea and esophagus leading to one opening guaranteeing that thousands of people every year will choke to death on their food. As Neil Tyson says it's not a hard request: dolphins have two separate tubes - not a hard request for people.
There's no need to respect ridiculous beliefs, it's an insult in a way - patronizing someone with dumb beliefs is like patting a child on the head and not explaining things as though it'd be over their head. Not challenging dumb beliefs protects bad ideas rather than scrutinizing them to be better. In the idea marketplace, the best ideas should be given more attention, and if one cannot defend their ideas - that alone should give them a reason to reconsider.
one guy tried to tell me that slavery isn't wrong.
@@lanao2377 That reminds when I quoted "wives should submit to their husbands" and the person said " But that is Old Testament stuff" and carried on to defend women rights in the Bible. That made me facepalm as it is in the New Testament.
exactly why atheism needs to be challenged and addressed
@@brookie18cookie70
shows how much you know about the Bible. wives submit themselves to their husbands and husbands love their wives and it works out wonderfully as this is God's design.
The man is the protector and the provider and the woman is the nurturer and helpmeet.
@@protruth1so address and challenge it… providing evidence of your god would be a great start.
My youngest daughter latched onto the flying spaghetti monster as a preteen and I loved how she would say his suggestions were so much kinder. Instead of " thou shall not" it was "I'd really rather you wouldn't." This is the same child that made me proud when Bible thumpers came to our door and asked her, " have you found Jesus? " she answered without hesitation....yeap, he was behind the sofa the whole time, who'd have thought ? And shut the door. She's raising free thinking children. ❤
Regarding the theists who claim atheism is just another religion. Ask them if they'd sign a petition granting atheist organizations the same tax breaks that all the other religions receive. I haven't had any takers on that proposition yet.
Yet those same theists have no problem with a destructive cult like Scientology having tax exempt status.....
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@Jeff B Bad idea. Theists already try to claim that evolution is a religion and not science, and if atheist organizations were to claim the same tax breaks as a religion then theists would use it as an argument to remove evolution from school science classrooms.
@@EvieDoesTH-cam As much as I like the 'put your money where your mouth is' view, I have to admit that what Evie says is true. That's one area in which Pastafarianism has actually failed. Believers are pointing at FSM and saying "If they get tax breaks then we should keep ours!" in the usual complete lack of self awareness.
Note that I don't know if Pastafarians do get tax breaks. Just using that as an example of someone using the parody to justify further material worthy of parody. Parody fails if the parodied takes it seriously. Unfortunately.
Respect is earned. Plain and simple. If everyone remained credulous we'd never rid ourselves of bad ideas, and bad people.
What a beautiful wrapup, Seth. Explaining how the apologists are the reason for you realizing you are an atheist.
I have a similar conviction. It was getting into Christian apologetics in order to defend my faith better that drove me to atheism eventually.
This episode was absolutely AWESOME!
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for an Episcopalian to stay sober for a weekend." -Presbyterians 22:7
Why did Jesus quit carpentry?
The wood and nails caused too much emotional trauma.
@@42apostate Lmao
The Ark story is much simpler to debunk. Start at the beginning. A 600 year old illiterate farmer, his two 100 year old farmer sons, their wives and two children supposedly built the largest wooden boat ever, first try they got it perfect and leak free. Or they also built one hell of a bilge pump.....never mentioned. And they did this in a part of the world where THERE ARE NO TREES of sufficient size to provide the massive timbers you need to build huge wooden structures, ESPECIALLY ones that have to float and survive the worst storm in history.
kim weaver i like the example that bill nye gave against ken ham. He showed the Wyoming schooner and explained that it was made by the best shipwrights available, but its size caused it to writhe and bend and ultimately sink. it was only 75% of the size of the supposed "ark".
Matthew Galloway Obvious solution: God held it together with his magic duct tape.
first* storm in history. according to "muh scriptures", it had never rained before.
JW - apologist : Noah was able to be 600 yeats old in perfect shape because the people was not that much corrupted through sin back in this days - his DNA was therefor cleaner and healthier.
Over generations the peole become more syc and live less long because of the sins duplicated with every generation...
He was able to build that gigantic ark because god told him haw - gods advise.
He was able to do that only with the little help from his family because god thold him so.
Haw was he able to do that in that short time.
The elephants transport the trees - because god thold them to do so.
What eat all the animals ?
- they dont have to eat
- god put them in a sleep - so they dont have to eat.
Haw they not starve in the sleep ?
- Gods magic...
Its cra - cra - crazy -
The JW - have the worst indoktrination - they start with the 4 years old and they hsve the answer for ALL -
"Can't disprove him!" That's simply not how predicate logic works.
This podcast couldn't have come at a better time, having a terrible day- I needed this... Thanks man!
I am grateful to Christian apologists for making me realize I could give up blind faith, because there was *evidence* for my beliefs. Thanks to the apologists, I had evidence and didn't need faith anymore. Then, after I later realized the evidence wasn't any good after all, I was no longer willing to fall back onto the safety net of faith and so I could accept that Christianity wasn't true.
Of all of the videos on this channel, this is probably my favorite. I love the introduction, and the explanations amuse me like watching extreme nerd fans trying to explain why the show was impeccable and the creators could do no wrong.
The abundance of gospel documents is easily explained by the fact that the first Christian emperors had them mass-produced and handed out to the populace, and that they *burned libraries with 'üagan' works* in them, which would include the Odissey, since it features an angry Poseidon as the primary antagonist. Before it became the roman state reliion, there's only a thin paper trail of not even a single full document, but fragments that dries up in the second century.
Besides, Christianity might've easily died out during the migration period if not for a single preacher who translated it to the visigoth language. If not for it, and the military success of that tribe, we might be worshipping (or arguing the nonexistence of) Thor today.
Thanks very much. You clearly put in a hell of a lot of time and hard work into making these podcasts. Much appreciated; respect and gratitude to you.
If God turned a person into a rainbow, why are there still people..? :p
One of my favorite comments I've heard about Noah's ark, and I don't know how accurate this actually is, is that if you put two of every creature into pokeballs, eliminating the need of food and "waste" while at the same time reducing the size of most animals, you would still not be able to fit them all on Noah's ark given the dimensions in the bible
gotta catch em all eh?
I actually did that once in a sense. A minecraft mod let me capture all the mobs in pokeballs. Just two of each _minecraft_ mob barely fit on that ark.
All religious doctrines should come with a warning lable that says WARNING DO NOT TAKE LITERALLY, MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO REASONING AND LOGIC.
Great podcast as always. I agree that indoctrination and not teaching critical thinking to kids is dangerous. I was raised as a fundamentalist and was taught evolution was wrong and just trust the bible. I am now an atheist and I would credit critical thinking as the main reason since those beliefs did not hold up to the scrutiny I apply to my work. I think critical thinking, above all else, needs to be taught to all kids, because if we teach them how to think, the possibilities are endless
I've listened to a lot of episodes. This is probably one of my favorite ones.
The Ark is clearly bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. So does that make Noah the Doctor?
10:24 ABSOLUTELY TRUE!
If the Bible is inerrant, inspired word of an omniscient, all knowing God, that cares for us and keeps it current to guide our lives, the following things should not exist:
1. Bible differing from reality.
2. Bible self-contradictions.
3. Bible contradicting findings & discoveries.
4. Bible miss-translations.
5. Several Bible versions.
6. Bible editing by religions.
7. Omissions and self-censorship of passages.
8. Literal passages changed into metaphorical.
9. Apologists.
Great Pod cast, thoroughly enjoyed it.
I would like to ask the lady if it is actually possible for anyone to hold beliefs and not live by them or not act on them. A person's belief system is their world view- it is the lens through which they see the world and the guide by which they interact with it. This is why believers lovingly pass their faith, culture and traditions unto their children and share it with their friends. The earth is not both flat and round, bile is never both green and white. No matter if choose to agree to disagree, the truth does not have an infinitely wide spectrum. The right to free speech is not the right to be correct or to be non-comical. I'll agree with H L Mencken where he said "We must respect the other fellow's religion but only in the sense and the respect that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.". Here, permit me to replace religion with opinions.
I love all your shows, but seriously, this one is brilliant :D
In reference to your message for the apologists at the end of the broadcast...pardon the expression, but .... PREACH IT!!!!
lol
"Putting the semen back in seminary." Hahahahaha! Brilliant!! :D
At about 48:00 in, I was reminded of something one an elementary school teacher once told our class... gosh, I must have been about 8 or 9. She told us, "Respect should be something that is honestly earned." I'm 41 now & I still remember that.
@TheThinkingAtheist INCREDIBLE PODCAST! I LOVE YOUR MATERIAL! I LOVE THIS PODCAST! I like what you said towards the end about how you were raised in a religious family, like me, Baptist, which was just CRAZY, and it was "Get 'em while their young!" That's exactly how it was for me too! I was a Christian, but now atheist. It made even less sense as I got older and smarter. My grandparents are EXTREMELY religious! My grandfather told me last X-mas: "The Earth is 6000 years old." ULTIMATE FACEPALM!
Please will you make a film of the first 7.20 minutes??? It's brilliant!!!
I second this Seth. I imagine it would be pretty popular.
Being a trained Christian apologist & in divinity studies & theology (but now a staunch Atheist & anti-christ 6.9 on the Dawkins Scale & a hard 7.0 on the same scale in concern the Abrahamic faiths) this just tickled my pickle & gave me the giggles (like reading much of the Bible, in any form, does now).
But ... now training in Atheist Epistemology & trained in Secular Philosophy (having a DPhil) I'm glad for my Christian training because it makes me a well armed & formidable aponent.
question the big provider in the sky. I love this podcast. To know that there are many more like me out there is comforting. My loss is still an unfortuneate fact in my life, but I am grateful for the deliverance, the freedom I and my wife now experience. Argue as some will, the fact is simple and easy to udnerstand: there simply is no eveidence, not even in the minutest form, of the possibility that a great spirit who lives in the sky made us and even gives a damn what happens.
Amazing final monologue.....Thank you.
You are officially awesome for getting William Knight to do voice work for you.
There is a difference between ridiculing the ideas and the person holding the idea. But when a person claimed to be defined by a bad idea then the line is blurred...
Nice response to the teacher who says respect everything in all circumstances. It's like saying there are no wrong answers on school tests. You have to earn respect.
Thats not what she meant she meant respect people right to free thought as long as it doesnt become action. If WB started executing gays she obviously would call for the group to be imprisoned to put down militarily. She meant you have to respect right to think absurd things. What do you have asbergers? Cant read people?
Please explain to me the methodical processes "Within" a screw. Dont tell me what it can be a part of. Lets talk about the screw itself. Dose a screw by itself all alone have systems and process "within it". Its just a curled up piece of metal.
I must legally respect a person's right to believe something, but i don't have to respect their beliefs--especially if they're crappy.
I can still remember being a kid and having a greater emotional intelligence and reasoning capacity than the adults around me. My sister would constantly say "what do you know? You're just a little kid." And, I would inevitably be right.
But, I know exactly what you are talking about when talking to believers. And...they will continue to talk to you in that same tone even as you get older. They talk to you as if you are "just going through a phase."
From what I understand the whole Eye of the needle, is referencing to the "Needle" gate in the city that was much smaller and used at night. It was possible to get a camel (non-human animal ) onto it's knees and squeeze one through.
Seth! Don't you know that Gawd made the Ark like the T.A.R.D.I.S. Bigger on the inside. 🤣
I think the T Rex ate whatever he wanted. 😂
HOORAY! A religious degree online ad! Just what I've been waiting for lol.
Excellent podcast good sir! Man you really put the reality out there on the religious dinner table to get served harder than elbow shots at a basketball game!
I get the one about believers having a magical understanding a lot. I tell them they have it backwards. Proof doesn't follow belief. Belief follows proof.
The first part of the bible that I found that was wrong was the bit about rabbits chewing their cud.
A screw translates rotary motion into linear motion, a motion dictated by the form of it's parts, but you've taken away the input, thus cheating your own definition of a system. When Joseph Whitworth after whom the first standard for threads is named, invented the micrometer, what is the system to produce the output data?
Richard Dawkins' book 'The Selfish Gene' that I picked up in Grade School was a real game changer for me. I can't believe my Parents let me read it .... and I actually hid it from them .... it was treated as taboo as pornography & was a bit of contraband & thus made it exciting to read for me. Lol. Thank you Mr. Dawkins
welcome to the tap dance! the dogs might not have been the best example because of the way that the species has been adapted from the initial wolf for various human needs over time. but at the same time, there are pics from many ancient peoples showing dogs, and there is even footprints of the dog following people into caves where petroglyphs are found(i think they were in france)
I've changed my mind due to both kind correction AND ridicule. Both work under different circumstances.
Those who say "You weren't there, so you don't know." I say right back "You weren't there so YOU definitely don't know!"
Great late night listening, great to nod off to. British radio is shit. I live in a country where the vast majority are innately atheist and even the Christians I know don't believe in hellfire and damnation. I really feel for someone who is told that when a kid.
When I WAS a Christian many year's ago I always prayed to a so-called God to watch over my 4 kid's and protect them. Well if God was real 2 of my kid's wouldn't be DEAD!!! They were both only 38 year's old when they passed away.
50:55 Coconuts didn't even EXIST back then.
Children who finally realize how silly it was that they believed Santa was real and their parents were enjoying lying to them are most likely to eventually take a closer look at religions as a similar ploy to sell you something you do not need. Any superstition is poison to rational use of the human mind. Many people can and will use your superstition against you and assume you already believe in god. What god? Which one? The one with no last name?
I have a question: Why won't god heal amputees? I mean, I thought prayer worked, so where are the returned missing limbs?
I Love William Knight, he played Daisuke Aramaki in Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex... Just brilliant!!
This is one of the best podcast. Keep them coming man. I love these.
Any "failing" in "perfect creation" is almost always explained about by Christian apologists as being due to the intrusion of sin into the world after the fall. Sin is their get out of jail free card.
Beliefs have consequences.
Yes they do.
I'm happy to hear that the Atheist population is growing, that's mean's people are getting smarter, now that's a good thing.
Serino Modica or just less gullible
Arvidius ツ LeVay Satanism is a religion & its growing faster then any other religion that's because it is non-spiritual, it does not involve worship of a deity, Satan and Baphomet are only used as symbol's, its a Atheistic philosophy which mean's they are all Atheist's.
+Serino Modica Atheism doesn't want you, satanism is a loser's club. Atheists tend to be smarter, that's true, but it doesn't apply to you as your poor grasp of grammar reveals. Whether you worship a deity or not, LeVey satanism is still a religion, it's a cult and it's just as silly as any other religion. You're the second person I've encountered trying to associate atheism with satanism, and that other person turned out to be a fundamentalist Christian. So I'll ask you the same question that I asked him: Do you believe in god? Say you don't believe in Jesus. Don't say "satanists don't believe in Jesus", I'm asking _you_, do _you_ believe in Jesus?
Eve Again Hey I'm not here to defend satanism. It is annoying when Christians compare atheists to them. But one can have poor grammar and still be smart. I have atrocious grammar and I'm still pretty smart, even if I say so myself. LOL
Seth you should interview your parents. That will be your best show ever.
Pressure moves. In order to change, we need to move it from where it’s from to a place where it will be right for everyone. Opposing views creates opposing force. We can’t reform anything when we stay passive because we’re so concern about respect even those ideas that don’t deserve it. We need to discuss and debate ideas we disagree so we can understand each other and perhaps reach a consensus where it can be acceptable to everyone.
Wow this is so funny. I remember a long time ago when I used to go to church, a priest analyzed that exact passage in the introduction. He said the eye of the needle was some escape hole in the walls of a city used a night when the doors were closed or something like that.
@TheThinkingAtheist I agree with you I bet you get many many calls so to keep the show flowing and not go on forever because instead on an hour you would be on all day just talking to people some need more time and others don't, I love your show.
Well stretch bolts have internal structure which reacts to tension, head bolts which react to temperature, variable pitch screws, Archimedian screws with pitch related to lift angle, and, like DNA, they can transmit information.
I'm still waiting for your precise definition of systematic structure.
I want a degree of DVD and Blu Ray!!! :O
@2011mrwest
So, if our creation is proof of God's existence, then who's creation is He proof of? Who created God? Either way you have to conclude that something came from nothing, why can't it be the universe in which we live?
Once again a crystal is not a systematic structure. It dose not have a system "WITHIN IT". A crystal can be a part of a system like a trilobites eye but the crystal itself has no methodical process within it. Just like a screw can be a part of a machine which is a systematic structure, but the screw itself dose not have a system within it. And excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by DNAs agency or mechanism? Are you asking whats the mechanism that jumped started the development of DNA?
@FluffyFeralMarmot Have you also taken all the natural disasters, such as the Lake Toba erruption for example, which created a "bottleneck" in human evolution into your account? The times of famine, disease etc? That would decrease population growth and slow things down.
All apologists have vested interest .$$$$$$ they don't want to lose their jobs
You mean apart from the pitch, major diameter, effective diameter, minor diameter, crest form, root form, material characteristics, all of which must work together systematically. I havent mentioned tapered thread screws, like the 4 1/2" IF threads previously used for 5" drill pipe, now superceeded by the NC50 thread with stress relief, the DSTJ or WT50 high torque variations. (WT are mind blowing, two double dovetails sealing on the flanks.) Now, let's talk about interrupted threads.
To the “teacher” at the 35 minute mark. You couldn’t be more wrong. Beliefs inform your actions.
Well...😃 She believes that her beliefs do not necessarily inform her actions. She is acting on that belief by not acting on her unmentioned but potentially odious other beliefs.
sadly, romans 8:32 does not say that. i cant seem to find the actual verse that does.
When you choose your beliefs based on what is tangible and credible rather than what your parents or your preacher (Or your book) tells you to believe, there is a true freedom in life. Ever since I became an atheist (and a materialist for that matter) I have been more inquisitive and intrigued about everything. That being said, religion is a part of human nature which has been ingrained in all cultures since we first came into being - you can live a happy life with your own beliefs too.
What reason was there of animals on the ark (breeding stock) if King Abracadabra was the CREATOR? Could he not have simply created replacements?
1:00:38 Exactly! You don't find atheists doubting actual first century figures ecause of 'oldness'. Julius Caesar? Left lots of Statues who all look the same, left writings, is the reason french sounds more like italian than Welsh. Yeah.
This is one of the best documented periods in history.
There was somene keeping track of Jewish cults and heresies, and no mention of that Jesus dude....
expert: and unknown quantity (X) under intense pressure (spurt)
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once again, thank you.i hear your story, and the story of some others and i hear my story.i sometimes feel very stupid when i think of how long it took me to see the questions i had were valid and not a 'lack of faith'.
however, no one in the atheist community has made me feel stupid.reason and logic demand that if we accept a false idea, we change. there is no shame in admitting we are wrong, and change is a great thing...
@D9rot Last time I checked, Svalbard was still a part of Norway ;)
44:13 Sushi FTW
And yeah. The first apologist book I got impressed me more (relatively speaking; I'm positive my parents didn't read nor agree with that little piece of misanthropism) before I was aware of the common tropes and how he was just repeating other stuff...
First off, you have a great name.
As for the rest, that is very frustrating. I was actually thinking about this on my way home from work last night; about how often people talk to someone young as if they are stupid simply because they believe they are not knowledgeable. It is a good rule of communication, to never overestimate someone's knowledge, but never underestimate their intelligence.
Feelings are often irrational, they can look like an enemy of logic and reason. However, logic by itself cannot solve the problems and inconsistencies of the world. Experience is what brings the two together, and makes it possible for us to decide what's true/real. And that's why religion cannot ever beat scepticism, because it already denied logic in favor of feelings, while openly discourages us from experiencing things by ourselves.
Strange when you think about it that everything ate plants before the fall of man and yet the only animals that became carnivores after the fall were the ones that once ate coconuts.
Perhaps they were sick of coconuts?
Great show!
34:55 That woman is such a droning bore.
love this guy voice
The eye is fun. If you wanna do the blind spot thing, get a bit of paper and draw a + and a O on it about two inches apart. Cover your left eye and look at the left symbol. Move the paper slowly closer. You should see the other symbol vanish at a certain distance. That's the blind spot. The brain covers the spot with what it expects to be there based on the surroundings, so in this instance the brain covers the symbol with the white of the paper.
The inverted image one is even more fun. I don't have a source for it, but I heard of an experiment that involved people wearing goggles that inverted the image they saw. So de-inverted what the brain does. Everything upside down. After a few days of bumping into things and dropping test tubes and whatnot while wearing these things, they wake up one morning while still wearing the goggles and discover the world is the right way up. Take the goggles off and it's all upside down. The brain 'corrected' what it was processing. Forcing them to re-correct back to normal. This MIGHT be just an amusing tale, as I've not seen anything confirming it and I heard it many years ago, but if you consider how adaptive and flexible the brain is it's a fairly believable tale, no? If anyone has a source for this, I'd love to be able to cite it. So please pop a reply in if you find it.
🤣 - Great intro - mental gymnastic at its finest 👍
30 minute ad, "Faith for Living" with Mike Milton, at the begining of this video. Really?
@axsimulate We are trying to find the origins of something we have discovered whether it be organic or inorganc. All of the elements needed to make machine are throughout the cosmos. We have natural forces like fire, wind, and gravity that can actually make a machine. And like the machinery, you cant demonstrate DNA was created. Im just trying to figure out why there is a double standard? This is not consistent. Are you asserting a machine cant be made randomly?
What is the live broadcast frequency and/or online radio station and schedule??
Ive had the urge to intervene a lot of time but since this is prerecorded i cant.
Any info will be much appreciated.
Thanks
I forgot who said this, but I think it is a fitting quote for this podcast:
"No one ever disbelieved in God more than when philosophers tried to prove him."
The intro was funny. :)
Heres a couple more problems with the ark. If the water covered Mt Everest, ....FREEZE! Im doubting all our atmospheric levels would adjust in just 20 or so days of rain, then readjust afterwards. The cold would be catastrophic. Also, adding 3 miles of mass to this planet would increase its gravity. For most animals, this would crush them under their own weight. And last, where does the water go? Evaporate in 20 days? That is sure to cause a green house effect.
Looked up the "Patriot Bible Uni" image. Looks like a glorified double-wide or bungalow. . . . Pitiful 😮
To Flo: There are some wonderful deconversion stories on youtube which can help you understand how intelligent people can be religious and then come to atheism. Evid3nc3's "Why I am no longer a Christian" and LovingDoubt's "Journey to Atheism" are probably my favorites.
@TheThinkingAtheist You're doing a great job. I especially like the ending. Keep it up!