If you enjoyed this video, please be sure to like and comment, and subscribe. For the next episode, should we feature the mighty general from the Three Kingdoms, "Dian Wei," or the great Tang Dynasty commander, "Cheng Yaojin"? Which one do you prefer?😄
How did Zhou Yu compare to Lu Xun? Lu Xun was another Scholar General of Wu? The 2010 3 Kingdoms portrays Zhou Yu as a fiery tactician strategist jealous of Zhuge Liang which I believe in reality wasnt true??? And that Lu Xun was a quiet and unassuming commander yet Sun Quan had much faith and expectations in him and Lu Xun performed quite well in his own accord???
Zhou Yu and Lu Xun were both key military leaders for the state of Wu during the Three Kingdoms period, each contributing significantly to Wu's military campaigns but in somewhat different ways and contexts. Zhou Yu is often celebrated for his leadership and strategic genius at the Battle of Red Cliffs, where his coalition defeated the numerically superior forces of Cao Cao. This victory was crucial in preventing Cao Cao from dominating southern China and established the three-way division of the realm that characterized the Three Kingdoms period. Zhou Yu was known for his boldness and strategic acumen, but the portrayal of him being fiercely jealous of Zhuge Liang is more a dramatic embellishment found in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and adaptations like the 2010 TV series. Historical records suggest that while there was rivalry, it was more in terms of strategic disagreements rather than personal animosity. Lu Xun, on the other hand, rose to prominence later in the period and is best known for his victories over Liu Bei in the battles of Xiaoting (Yiling). Unlike Zhou Yu's more dramatic and immediate impact, Lu Xun's contributions were characterized by caution, strategic patience, and the ability to exploit enemy mistakes. His handling of the threat posed by Shu's invasion under Liu Bei showcased a different kind of military leadership, emphasizing adaptability and a deep understanding of enemy psychology. Sun Quan's trust in Lu Xun, despite some initial opposition from other Wu officials due to Lu Xun's relative youth and lack of battlefield experience, was well rewarded. Both generals were highly esteemed by Sun Quan and played pivotal roles in the survival and success of Wu. Zhou Yu's early contributions laid the foundation for Wu's resistance against northern aggression, while Lu Xun's later victories safeguarded the state against Shu's attempts to expand eastward. Their differing styles-Zhou Yu's more direct and forceful approach vs. Lu Xun's cautious and strategic patience-highlight the diverse tactics and strategies employed by Wu's leaders to navigate the turbulent Three Kingdoms period.
@@HeroicHistory-china isn't a cautious General better? Less strategic blunder and losses and General Patton stated a general who maneuvers more instead if just battles means less slaughter
@@HeroicHistory-china btw Battle of Red Cliffs ... Cao Cao didn't have 830K troops did he? Or were ancient Chinese records filled by these tales of exaggerated figures???
A cautious general can indeed be advantageous, as their approach often minimizes unnecessary risks and can lead to fewer casualties and strategic blunders. The effectiveness of a cautious versus a bold strategy really depends on the specific circumstances of the conflict, including the disposition and strength of enemy forces, terrain, and the moral and material resources available. General Patton’s view emphasizes maneuver warfare's potential to achieve objectives with less direct combat, fitting well with many historical examples where outmaneuvering the enemy led to significant victories with lower costs. Regarding the Battle of Red Cliffs and Cao Cao's forces, the figure of 830,000 troops is widely regarded as an exaggeration, common in historical records to emphasize the scale and significance of a battle. Modern historians and scholars generally agree that the numbers were likely much smaller. While ancient Chinese records do provide invaluable insights into the period, they often contain hyperbolic accounts of army sizes and battle casualties. This exaggeration serves not only to dramatize the events but also to elevate the achievements of the victors and the perceived stakes of the conflicts. The actual numbers at the Battle of Red Cliffs remain a topic of debate, with estimates varying widely but generally much lower than the traditional claim. The logistical challenges of supporting such a large army, especially in a campaign far from Cao Cao's power base and in the challenging terrain along the Yangtze River, support the view that the real numbers were substantially lower.
Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang were both top-notch strategists of their time, with Zhou known for his sharp tactics like at the Battle of Red Cliffs, where he really shined. Zhuge Liang, on the other hand, was a master of the long game, famous for his wisdom and strategic planning. While they did have a bit of a rivalry, it was more about strategy than personal beef. Zhou Yu's early death at 36 from illness cut short what could have been an even more remarkable career. He was definitely on par with Zhuge Liang in terms of tactical skill, but we didn’t get to see him develop further, which leaves some "what if" questions. Zhuge Liang, with his longer career, had more time to build his legacy, especially with his northern campaigns, even though they didn’t quite pan out as hoped.
@@HeroicHistory-chinawasnt the rivalry were more fiction due to the novel rotk? Much of the zhuge liang famous "trickery" are fiction like empty castle strategy, calling southern wind, borrowing arrow with straw boat, etc. As far as im concerned, Zhou Gong Jin were a much superior strategist than Zhuge Liang. Red Cliff were him n Huang Gai competence than Zhuge Liang. Zhou Yu n co were the only one who can beat Cao Cao n his prime, when even Yuan Shao n Lu Bu failed to do. Hes the reason Wei failed to unify the land, when they were so close to do so. As far as Zhuge Liang, i think he was more of a master administrator n politician than a general. Subjugation of Jing were more down to the the 5 Tiger General. Yi subjugation, were Pang Tong n Zhao yun. The one where Zhuge take charge as Ta Tu Tu was Wu Zhang Plains or northern campaign, where he made 5 attempts n lost all 5 which eventually drained Shu resources n lead to Shu downfall.
@@ZhouGongJin You're right that much of what is popularly known about Zhuge Liang comes from the romanticized accounts in the "Romance of the Three Kingdoms," which mixes historical facts with literary fiction. Strategies like the Empty Fort Strategy, summoning the southern wind, and borrowing arrows with straw boats are indeed embellished or entirely fictionalized in the novel. Zhou Yu, known as Zhou Gongjin, was indeed a brilliant strategist, especially noted for his role in the Battle of Red Cliffs where his alliance with Liu Bei successfully thwarted Cao Cao's attempt to dominate the southern regions. His tactical prowess and the effective use of subterfuge and deception at Red Cliffs are well-regarded in historical texts, and he certainly deserves recognition for keeping Cao Cao's power in check at a critical moment.
@@andriesusanto8684 indonesian i assume? lol red cliff was ok at least, it didnt portrayed Zhou Yu inferior, i particulary like the debate in the zither/guzheng scene where there were no words needed, also when kongming tried to provoke gong jin with cao cao's infatuation with qiao sister, the latter didnt take the bait. They still use element from the novel tho, like straw boats n southern wind, but i guess its a movie, it needed some dramatic scenes in it.
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For the next episode, should we feature the mighty general from the Three Kingdoms, "Dian Wei," or the great Tang Dynasty commander, "Cheng Yaojin"? Which one do you prefer?😄
I always enjoy videos when it features a Three Kingdoms figure.
Legendary General Zhou Yu My Favourite The Three Kingdoms Hero😊❤💖🌸🎵🎶🏹🔥💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Another masterpiece ⭐
How did Zhou Yu compare to Lu Xun? Lu Xun was another Scholar General of Wu? The 2010 3 Kingdoms portrays Zhou Yu as a fiery tactician strategist jealous of Zhuge Liang which I believe in reality wasnt true??? And that Lu Xun was a quiet and unassuming commander yet Sun Quan had much faith and expectations in him and Lu Xun performed quite well in his own accord???
Zhou Yu and Lu Xun were both key military leaders for the state of Wu during the Three Kingdoms period, each contributing significantly to Wu's military campaigns but in somewhat different ways and contexts.
Zhou Yu is often celebrated for his leadership and strategic genius at the Battle of Red Cliffs, where his coalition defeated the numerically superior forces of Cao Cao. This victory was crucial in preventing Cao Cao from dominating southern China and established the three-way division of the realm that characterized the Three Kingdoms period. Zhou Yu was known for his boldness and strategic acumen, but the portrayal of him being fiercely jealous of Zhuge Liang is more a dramatic embellishment found in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and adaptations like the 2010 TV series. Historical records suggest that while there was rivalry, it was more in terms of strategic disagreements rather than personal animosity.
Lu Xun, on the other hand, rose to prominence later in the period and is best known for his victories over Liu Bei in the battles of Xiaoting (Yiling). Unlike Zhou Yu's more dramatic and immediate impact, Lu Xun's contributions were characterized by caution, strategic patience, and the ability to exploit enemy mistakes. His handling of the threat posed by Shu's invasion under Liu Bei showcased a different kind of military leadership, emphasizing adaptability and a deep understanding of enemy psychology. Sun Quan's trust in Lu Xun, despite some initial opposition from other Wu officials due to Lu Xun's relative youth and lack of battlefield experience, was well rewarded.
Both generals were highly esteemed by Sun Quan and played pivotal roles in the survival and success of Wu. Zhou Yu's early contributions laid the foundation for Wu's resistance against northern aggression, while Lu Xun's later victories safeguarded the state against Shu's attempts to expand eastward. Their differing styles-Zhou Yu's more direct and forceful approach vs. Lu Xun's cautious and strategic patience-highlight the diverse tactics and strategies employed by Wu's leaders to navigate the turbulent Three Kingdoms period.
@@HeroicHistory-china isn't a cautious General better? Less strategic blunder and losses and General Patton stated a general who maneuvers more instead if just battles means less slaughter
@@HeroicHistory-china btw Battle of Red Cliffs ... Cao Cao didn't have 830K troops did he? Or were ancient Chinese records filled by these tales of exaggerated figures???
A cautious general can indeed be advantageous, as their approach often minimizes unnecessary risks and can lead to fewer casualties and strategic blunders. The effectiveness of a cautious versus a bold strategy really depends on the specific circumstances of the conflict, including the disposition and strength of enemy forces, terrain, and the moral and material resources available. General Patton’s view emphasizes maneuver warfare's potential to achieve objectives with less direct combat, fitting well with many historical examples where outmaneuvering the enemy led to significant victories with lower costs.
Regarding the Battle of Red Cliffs and Cao Cao's forces, the figure of 830,000 troops is widely regarded as an exaggeration, common in historical records to emphasize the scale and significance of a battle. Modern historians and scholars generally agree that the numbers were likely much smaller. While ancient Chinese records do provide invaluable insights into the period, they often contain hyperbolic accounts of army sizes and battle casualties. This exaggeration serves not only to dramatize the events but also to elevate the achievements of the victors and the perceived stakes of the conflicts.
The actual numbers at the Battle of Red Cliffs remain a topic of debate, with estimates varying widely but generally much lower than the traditional claim. The logistical challenges of supporting such a large army, especially in a campaign far from Cao Cao's power base and in the challenging terrain along the Yangtze River, support the view that the real numbers were substantially lower.
You did not cover his rivalry with liang and the cause of his death. How good was he? On par with liang or slightly less?
Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang were both top-notch strategists of their time, with Zhou known for his sharp tactics like at the Battle of Red Cliffs, where he really shined. Zhuge Liang, on the other hand, was a master of the long game, famous for his wisdom and strategic planning.
While they did have a bit of a rivalry, it was more about strategy than personal beef. Zhou Yu's early death at 36 from illness cut short what could have been an even more remarkable career. He was definitely on par with Zhuge Liang in terms of tactical skill, but we didn’t get to see him develop further, which leaves some "what if" questions. Zhuge Liang, with his longer career, had more time to build his legacy, especially with his northern campaigns, even though they didn’t quite pan out as hoped.
@@HeroicHistory-chinawasnt the rivalry were more fiction due to the novel rotk? Much of the zhuge liang famous "trickery" are fiction like empty castle strategy, calling southern wind, borrowing arrow with straw boat, etc.
As far as im concerned, Zhou Gong Jin were a much superior strategist than Zhuge Liang. Red Cliff were him n Huang Gai competence than Zhuge Liang. Zhou Yu n co were the only one who can beat Cao Cao n his prime, when even Yuan Shao n Lu Bu failed to do. Hes the reason Wei failed to unify the land, when they were so close to do so.
As far as Zhuge Liang, i think he was more of a master administrator n politician than a general. Subjugation of Jing were more down to the the 5 Tiger General. Yi subjugation, were Pang Tong n Zhao yun. The one where Zhuge take charge as Ta Tu Tu was Wu Zhang Plains or northern campaign, where he made 5 attempts n lost all 5 which eventually drained Shu resources n lead to Shu downfall.
@@ZhouGongJin You're right that much of what is popularly known about Zhuge Liang comes from the romanticized accounts in the "Romance of the Three Kingdoms," which mixes historical facts with literary fiction. Strategies like the Empty Fort Strategy, summoning the southern wind, and borrowing arrows with straw boats are indeed embellished or entirely fictionalized in the novel.
Zhou Yu, known as Zhou Gongjin, was indeed a brilliant strategist, especially noted for his role in the Battle of Red Cliffs where his alliance with Liu Bei successfully thwarted Cao Cao's attempt to dominate the southern regions. His tactical prowess and the effective use of subterfuge and deception at Red Cliffs are well-regarded in historical texts, and he certainly deserves recognition for keeping Cao Cao's power in check at a critical moment.
Watch the movie red cliff , the approach for Zhou yu there was more history based
@@andriesusanto8684 indonesian i assume? lol
red cliff was ok at least, it didnt portrayed Zhou Yu inferior, i particulary like the debate in the zither/guzheng scene where there were no words needed, also when kongming tried to provoke gong jin with cao cao's infatuation with qiao sister, the latter didnt take the bait. They still use element from the novel tho, like straw boats n southern wind, but i guess its a movie, it needed some dramatic scenes in it.