TURTLE WAX HYBRID SOLUTIONS TO THE MAX WAX VS MEGUIAR'S HYBRID CERAMIC LIQUID WAX
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- TURTLE WAX TO THE MAX WAX V. MEGUIARS HYBRID CERAMIC LIQUID WAX
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He was able to kill these synthetic sealants so quickyl because he didnt let them cure for 24 hrs as the instructions say. If he waited a day, he could spray and wipe bug remover on them 10 times and they'll still bead water mostly good.
Finally, what I've been looking forward to.
Been a long megs ceramic line fan but TW been hitting home runs with their new ice lineup and even the new graphene line!
Thanks Jimmy!
Long time user of McGuire's ceramic wax with a seal and shine topper. I just decided to try the graphene wax and am loving it so far
Perfect video. I have both of these on my shelf and really can't tell a difference.
For years I've been questioning why so many detailers do torture tests like this. Granted, it's nice to see what "kills" these products, but let's be real here. Not many detailers are going to be intentionally putting these 'harsh' chemicals on their car (or someone else's) after they take so much time to wash it, clay it, prep it, and then apply their choice of product to protect it. Perhaps we need better tests like throwing mud on the surface, not washing the vehicle for a while, putting road salt on it, etc. These things would be a little bit more like reality instead of some of these chemicals. Just my two cents... Keep up the good work, and thanks for the videos.
Well, the chemical test just gives an idea of overall durability, especially for maintenance washes. I like chemical resistant products, even on top of coatings, like Seal & Shine or Fusso, for the winter season, to take the brunt of winter driving and heavier pre treats before washes. Things like that.
Brian @ Apex Detail actually does his testing with a traffic film mixture, gasoline, break fluid, antifreeze, etc. all mixed together and sprayed on the test panel.
Things like mud and organic material just isn't all that practical for a durability test video as it would take forever to degrade most of these products. But traffic film does knock them down. However I do get the point you're making. There is no replacement for time and mother nature.
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@@jdisdetermined I don't wanna argue because I see the validity of doing these tests, I just think that real world is more than throwing a bunch of chemicals to paint. Like I said, most of us aren't going to take the time wash, clay, polish, wax, coat, seal, etc. and then torture them by putting harsh chemicals on them to break them down.
@@mills271 I hear you. Not an argument, just a friendly discussion, that's the whole point of this stuff. 😁👍
I look at chemical testing as just a *very* sped up simulated ph scale attack that would otherwise happen over a long period of time being exposed to mother nature and the elements and repeated maintenance washes. Same principle, repeated agitation and substances of various ph levels sitting on the panel degrading the protection, just done at an extreme. So 60 seconds of a high or low ph chemical sitting there, is a substitute for 60+ days of tree sap, fallout, brake dust, etc. sitting there.
A perfect test? Nope. Relevant? Debatable. But it's entertaining and interesting to see how they compare to one another if nothing else.
@@jdisdetermined I can definitely understand and agree with it as you've laid it out here! It does make sense. Granted, not every test is going to work in every condition. But it's nice to see how these products last. Thanks for your insight Keith.
@@mills271 yeah man, always love talking anything detailing! Especially when it's with intelligent critical thinking people like yourself. 😀
My big battle in my environment is hard water and water spots. Just brutal here. I wish more of these tests did more specific testing relative to that. Spray some hard water on test panels and let it air dry in a few spots for 24, 48, + hours and see how these products handle it with ease of removal and etching.
Check out some forums if you haven't yet, lots of fun discussions and info. and long term test data there that doesn't always translate well to a video.
Autogeekonline.net autopia.org and detailingworld.co.uk are the ones I frequent most. Good chatting with you!
I bought the meguiars ceramic, applied and waited for that first rain baby. That deal went flat so fast, I returned it even faster. And yes, if was applied to bare clear coat, properly prepped.
I'm a full time boat detailer so I've got a bit of experience apply waxes and compounds to clearcoat surfaces and I just want to say that spray waxes and spray ceramics don't work that well just given the nature of them.
Its all big company advertising. There's nothing better than a liquid form applied with a polishing pad and rotary buffer. That heats up the substance and makes it stick to the clearcoat or gelcoat respectively and actually makes it seal.
Hybrid solution's ceramic has great hydrophobic properties but still doesn't prevent against dirt, UV rays, grime and bugs. If you want a good ceramic coat or something that will give you a bang for your buck, liquid wax is the way to go. Take the extra time and use a buffer. Use a detergent to get all contamination off, then clay bar, then polish, then wax.
With Turtle Wax's new Proline, they have come full circle in adopting the old mindset that we had in the days of Carnauba wax, that is, keep your cars "Surface Properties" looking like you just drove home in a newly waxed car but this time it has superior protection designed to keep the surface properties alive with easy maintenance virtually forever. TW did this by combining in a single bottle a base coat and topper, i.e. the maintenance that is so easy and simple that it just became part of drying your car. The new "1 and Done" sums up TW's new Pro line in a nutshell and how it is designed to change our mindset and reset our priorities in automotive detailing. We all put multi-year coatings on our cars that again was designed to eliminate maintenance to a great degree but guess what, we found out we still needed something to keep it looking like the day we picked up our thousand dollar coating. So we all started using toppers on top of toppers to keep the coatings looking new. And by design, the new TW Pro-Line products don't last as long as SNS if you only think singularity of purpose in the area of protection but with a maintenance schedule that's built into the Pro-Line, it will last virtually forever and provide fantastic gloss, smoothness, and shine we have been looking for from surface properties that are kept intact! Now that is a victory in my book because we used to get 16 oz of great protection alone in SNS at 65 cents per oz without the flexibility that PRO-Line has to be used as a base coat, topper, etc and we get 23 oz for $1.08 an oz with numerous other ingredients, it is well worth the cost.
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Interesting video. Just when I thought "Santa brought him a new blower, I don't have to listen to the old blower squeal!", along comes the Lithium bottle...
For me, I clean the vehicle weekly with Opti Clean, which seems to leave some protection behind. Haven't had to apply CR2 for months now. Paste and liquid products are more work for me that don't yield anymore results. Agree with you on that.
Jimbo I miss your videos because they are always upbeat and fair. Turtle Wax 🐢 agrees with your comments about the longevity of their Flex Spray being greater than the Max Wax according to the email they sent me. Last week, with that guidance I used all three Pro products as they recommended. Once n Done, then Max Wax followed up with Flex Wax. They said the Max Wax has the Maximum shine of the two and the Flex brings the SNS aspect into the equation and protects it all by extending the protection. So, after a week of 28-50 degree weather with three days of rain, I washed my car today. I was ecstatic with how great looking the shine was and how smooth it felt. For me it just makes sense to "buy into" the TW and Meguairs regime of maintenance products. I love maintaining my cars and TW and Meguairs loves selling me the products on a regular basis; Win 👍 Win for all of us. I have switched from Meg's to TW for all the obvious reasons over the last 18 months and your shows helped me make my decisions. Thank you so much for all you do for your followers. Another Win 👍 win. Great show Jimbo.
Glad your having fun and keeping your car clean! That’s a win win!!
Why is Turtle Wax charging more for Flex Wax and Max Wax when they don't last as long? Doesn't make any sense.
@@calebmartin8144 because flex wax and max wax has graphene in it and graphene is expensive.
Didn t know it could be used as fondation layer for the blue bottle. Cool
Dude, no seriously. Keep going with the tape tests!!! This really helps those of use that do track days! Sometimes the wax/sealant is so good, the tape won’t stick and peel off our front bumpers after a couple laps! Please continue this test. The white marker is also a good test, since we sometimes use that for our race numbers on the side of the cars.
PS, forgot to add. If you can compare those tests to the bare paint as well.
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Still celebrating new year. Happy New Year 2021 for your family!
... slcking off again,huh 😂? Happy new year pal.
@@keithknechg3217 connected to the office working due to a surprise audit sending several deliverables since it will start on Jan 4th and I am on vacations. We got to do what we got to do for another successful pass.😉😄
@@1stfrompuertorico568 i,m older now,i hate suprises.consistency is a rare thing to be treasured these days.
@@keithknechg3217 Unfortunately or fortunately, life is full of surprises everyday. We just have to keep on keeping on. I had my birthday on December 23rd(53) and always try to enjoy whatever is in the way.
Happy new year 🇬🇧. I've seen you on Forensic detailing channel 👍🏼
You pondered the same question I had on these new TW Pro graphene lines. Do I need to liquid wax as base and then maintain with spray or can I just use the spray and it will be equally effective with shine and protection? No one has answered that... the safest answer was the traditional method, use liquid wax and the maintain with spray.
I am glad to see an honest and unbiased opinion on the differences of the product! Nice job as always!
That is a good point.what happens if you lay graphene or ceramic sprays on top of a actual wax,carnuba based.personally ...i think it,s bassackwards.wax deterioriates in hot sun.. quickly...pardon the pun but it sounds like a hot mess.i think ceramics and graphene will kill the carnuba market eventually.
From my understanding, based on other videos out there. You can use flex wax as a base wax. Only if you apply it to a dry panel. Then you can maintain it later on when the panel is wet. Hopefully that helps
I agree with you Jimbo, spray waxes are so much better than liquid waxes these days.
Definitely
"I could care less if I'm manly or not" (referring to the blueberry scent). Brilliant! I will remember that forever; I must use that quote myself. Great information sir; and I really like the way you narrate the whole thing. Thanks for not saying "microfiber" when talking about your towel. I get so tired of hearing that descriptive every time they talk about a towel (of course it's microfiber; that's what we detailers use). I'm not familiar with the marker you used in the test, or what they did or didn't do that caused them to fail. I saw the first left marks splitting or showing paint, whereas the second marks to the right of the others seemed to be solid. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't understand what the test was telling you; when you said they failed. Fantastic video; I've seen some parts twice. Outstanding! Well done.
Try mixing an ounce of each together mix it up and apply. Curious what would happen??? Nobody ever does that.
Great video. Thanks for trying the tape and marker test. It’s good to see that you are thinking about other relevant tests for these products!
Can you do a video on your personal recommendations in terms of waxes, detailers, and other detailing products?
Shade tree experimenting is always cool. However, your control is your control, apply the tape, paint, etc to your control surface to make sure EITHER wax is actually having an impact and it is not just something to do with the untreated surface itself.
Man I really like your channel! Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Thanks
I just purchased the new TW lineup but haven't tried it yet. For a pro detailer I could see the paste or liquid wax going away... for the enthusiast spending more time on the car can be a good thing. Also since these companies are making them there must be a market.
For sure
Good point on the market for these type of products,i think they will become a niche market eventually.graphene is already beating up on the ceramic market.as of now i use ceramic based products as a base and graphene as a topper.the days of different mnfctrs products not playing nice in the same sandbox are goin going gone.the lines have been blurred.
I think something other than a spray sealant like a liquid wax or paste sealant i.e Fusso Coat as a foundation protection pre-spray sealant definitely makes sense specially on daily drivers. I've been doing this for years on my own cars. They're a lot easier to clean and considerably less contamination gets through to the point that I no longer need to clay the car. Just polish every 18 months or so and reapply Fusso + BSD. BSD is used diluted as maintenance/sacrificial layer on a regular basis.
Try palmolive body wash, it will kill the coating in 1 go 🤣
LOL if caring about the scent is a girl thing I'm Beyonce
Good video Jimbo. I enjoyed hearing your opinion on sprays vs Liquid wax
Glad you enjoyed it
I agree with your opinion. I’ve also used both and liquid wax is just not durable. OK for a car your don’t drive everyday.
Seal n shine still the best and cheaper then both of these 😂😂😂😂😂
true story bro
Why is Turtle Wax charging $30 for this wax and it doesn't have any clear benefits over their other products?
It’s the king
@@calebmartin8144 they crazy not even better than seal n shine want get 30 from me lol
I was thinking the same thing! Also there's a product called color crush better than all these. Peep it. $20.
Looked like TW flex side was hydrophilic too? Panel had less water after rinse & looked dry after blower?
(Camera angle maybe?)
The Meguair's Liquid Wax lasted for atleast 6 months on a daily driven car in my environment. At the 6 month mark, I was able to use the Meguair's ceramic spray wax as a spray on rinse off product to get crazy water beading again. I haven't used the TW Graphene Max Wax yet. The flex wax is promising though.
I used both TW is superior overall
My gripe with meguiars has always been that I can’t see where I applied wax and I can’t see where there’s wax left. Then throughout the week I keep finding spots of wax I didn’t wipe off.
Doesn't liquid wax last longer than spray wax?
Very good JIMBO test.!. But Meguiar's HCW is best activated with a pressure washer!. At least for me, it works better with high pressure than with a garden hose.
Don't let it dry over night?
@@richardfox3924 Yes, I do prewash, wash, chemical decontamination, mechanical decontamination, compound, polish, ipa, HCW (dry application) and 24h of cure.
Then, in maintenance on wet panel, some spray, and high pressure rinsing, and drying.
Your comment that liquid waxes don’t have the durability that spray waxes have confuses me. Can you please explain? Great vid by the way.
Than spray sealant.
When you compare these to something like a spray sealant like Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine that’s been properly applied. Then they’re pretty weak in comparison. Spray sealants and waxes are much more durable than most liquid/paste waxes nowadays.
TW have said 12 months for 1 coat of liquid wax, but 2 coats needed for the sealant for 12 months.
I've used the Meguiars since it came out. Switched to TW Hybrid Ceramic when that came out and was impressed. Recently switched to the TW Graphene and honestly I'm more impressed with it. The shine is crazy on my green car. The new compound works amazing and the wax to the Max with the flex wax spray as maintenance works easy and well. I've noticed my car doesn't attract as much dust with the graphene like it did with the ceramic. I'm happy with it.
How's the water spotting with the flex spray wax vs the hybrid ceramic?
@@batvon39 Haven't noticed any spotting with either. I did get some spotting with the Meguiars though especially after washing.
@@thedude2897 thanks. I have the whole hybrid solutions line, so the water spotting is really the only thing I'm looking for in the graphene line
Flex wax should be renamed Streaks. I was not impressed after spending $27. I just ordered 3 bottles of new formula Seal n Shine for the same price as 1 bottle of Flex. Application and removal was a little easier with SnS.
That my friend and was brilliant you actually explained it to the t and I do agree with you liquid waxes are sometimes just for us old bastards who just want to remember the good old days rubber wax out of an old tin I personally I'm a big fan of turtle wax products here in the UK I think after your video which has been explained brilliantly I shall buy all three of the graphene-based turtle Wax products when it is available any idea what the longevity is if you follow the instructions to the letter now it's got the secret ingredients of kryptonite in it it should last the whole bloody year
Thanks for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it!
Ok, I use the TW on my es350 and use the meguiar's on my wifes is250. I love the TW, but one issue I have and it's the same I had with the TW seal and shine. Although it is much slicker than the meguiar's, the TW tends to get slight flecks from the road in it, meaning after I drive the car, dirt/sand seems to embed itself into the coating, both cars I used iron remover, clay bar and meguiar's 205, before application. Anyone else find this to be an issue with the TW?
I had exactly the same problem. It collected fine dust particles, I have stopped using it.
Like the video. My biggest issue now I have the complete Meguiars Ultimate line and the Turtle Hybrid Ceramic Acrylic Black polish and spray wax so now I'm thinking wow what next. Can't keep up I'm just a one man diy guy with one car. 😜🤣🇺🇸
If you use a tension spring gauge on the tape maybe it can pick up on the very slight difference.
You kill me with addressing the haters. Hilarious. Btw, application was a little limp-wristed.
Oh by the way it's not a base layer, and another direction you didn't follow was letting it cure for 24 hours to gasout. It's not a wax it's a Graphene coating.
how frequent we have to spray for maintenance. After how many days of application we should start maintenance step?
Wouldn't a liquid wax enhance gloss of the paint more than just a spray wax?
I recently got into detailing my first car that I bought all on my own. Been using the Meguires Hybrid line and its works very well for me. Once I am done with all my product I am going to move over and try the Turtle Wax Pro line.
I like the Meguiars but what ceramic spray wax would you recommend over it? Thank you!
Jimbo, why do the graphene products cost more but they dont really do anything better than their Hybrid Solutions Ceramic products and Seal and Shine? From what I've seen, they're streakier, harder to apply, not much better water beading and appear to not be as durable
Probably the graphene is expensive, but just doesn't produce the same results as some of the newer sio2 sprays
@@Darkhunter218 then what's the point?
@@calebmartin8144 a bit of a gloss jump is the main one tbh, I only got it cause I wanted to try out the graphene stuff, gloss is noticeable, but just.
@@calebmartin8144 look up flex wax vs seal n shine by apex detail
I bought the liquid and the flex wax so I’m gonna do the liquid and then maintain it with the flex wax. I’m interested in what blower that was..lol
Happy New Year Jimbo from Australia.
Same to you
Do you have to use regular wax first before using the ceramic wax?
no use ceramic first
@@autodetailingpodcast, but i hear ceramic wax don't last as long as regular wax.
Awesome content & comparison video as usual. However that tearing of the tape was harsh on the audio!😲
Sorry about that
I just laughed that he used his teeth
Did you notice a big difference in depth of clarity between Flex Wax Vs. Max Wax ? That’s their claim I’m just curious as to how big or very minimal the jump is
I appreciate the video and liked that you incorporated the marker and tape test. Very real world, immediate feed back. You mention that you prefer the spray type wax. I wonder if the thinner spray waxes might adhere or get into small pores in the clear coat better, thus last longer. Don’t know, just a thought. On the other side of it, being thin and mostly clear, they don’t provide the feed back and thus for some like me with less knowledge of different car waxes, they don’t give the impression of being as good. I wished someone out there would break this down in plain simple terms. I could imagine on older cars, without a true clear coat, a paste or thick liquid being better, and on a newer car with thinner clear coats, spray being better.
? for you. I have got a new Tundra, with a red metallic type paint. Overall looks great, no major defects, though couple small swirls in one area. They only pop out when the sun hits just right. I don’t want to be very aggressive with it, just a real light hand polish is what I am thinking. What is about the gentlest polish you can think of that would be good for that?
As far as wax, I have tried the TW seal and shine and the ceramic, not bad, just not much lasting gloss or so that is my impression. My main concern is something for UV, pollen dust and rain. I don’t mind applying it fairly often. You got any suggestions? I half way wished I had just run in the auto parts store and picked up whatever they had. Thinking I would look up polishes and waxes, it seems a new one is coming out every five minutes from some outfit or another and they don’t do a very good job of explaining why or what is different from the last product they made.
Enjoyed the video.
Great work Jimbo. Can you create a comparison and do the standard stress test with TW Ceramic Spray coating vs TW To the Max wax? Would love to see how they compare and put it in Seal and Shine which is also a great product.
Im sorry but Tw ingredients must be extremely toxic to achieve those types of results
@@jonathanmcfadden3293 based on what?
OK..OK...One more time...how do you feel about liquid wax?
Hi there! What kind of hose Nozzle are you using?
Great video buddy I was waiting on this
How about swirls filling abilities big spray sealants ?
Are they considerably less as apposed to paste wax?
1 coat of Glaze Poor boy's black hall or similar + 2 coats of TW Ceramic spray :)
How long will it last ?
neither one of these fill scratches very. much, you would want to go to an all in one or a 3-in-1 liquid for that. These both are for just straight paint protection.
Genuine question. When you re applied and rinsed did it make the floors slippery at all? And can the flex was be used in glass? Thank you.
I don’t like liquid waxes either. What do u think of paste or spray waxes Jimbo?
Spray for sure
I would think liquids would be more durable because they are not being sprayed which atomizes the product? I do like the speed of using sprays though.🤣
Happy new year jimbo.fun vid as always.your opininion carries more weight with viewers than you think.i think from a uninformed purchasers view point the term inserted in product labels" wax" could be confusing.coating/ sealant would be more acurate,theres no carnuba in any of that stuff.
Glad to be of help
Do you prefer spray waxes , or paste ? if so whats your go to ?
What garden hose sprayer are you using in these videos?
New year! Love the content!!!
Why would you not follow the directions and use the damp towel,I did from the very beginning and have had nothing but success with the Turtle Wax.
Meguiars Ceramic Wax just doesn’t go on nice....feels dry when applied.
Jimbo, Is that a home made Ozone machine in the background of the intro of the video? if so, do show it off in a video.
Great video jimbo! Both are great products, however 🐢 wax takes it for the win!!
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I use the Meguiars as a lazy wax when i dont have time to wipe down my vehicles and i just need something to top off my coatings. Im happy using it and it works well. Just ordered the TW graphene polish and flex wax along with the new formula sesl n shine. Curious which one will last longer
turtle wax has upped their game in the past year , and for the money you could do worse, like chem guys
True!
What’s the most caustic cleaner you’ve used to strip waxes/sealants?
I believe it was acidic tire cleaner in his video which he said can damage paint on contact if not wiped off quickly, and seal and shine by turtle wax even survived that!!
I still apply liquid wax to the GTR sometimes.
For me it’s that therapy of being alone, chilling with a sugar free Redbull and some background music
But from a production detail perspective products that I can spray, rinse and get out the door quicker the better
It's the same for me to go into my garage with a venom or bang energy drink put the door down, put on a dvd movie (background noise) and wax away which for me is relaxing and somehow therapeutic.
TW for the win
I think they cost around the same per Oz. So it's a pretty direct comparison
Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax is only $16 for 16oz vs $33 for the Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Pro to The Max Wax. Better comparison would have been between the HS-TWM vs the Meguiar's M27 Hybrid Ceramic Sealant.
What happens with dawn dishwasher soap
What brand is the leaf blower ?
I am pretty sure the turtle wax says 2 squirts per panel, you put 8-10 squirts i don't get how it is helpful if you don't follow the manufacturers suggestions.
You do realize only so much will adhere to the panel regardless of how much you spray right?
With liquid wax you dont have to contend with vapers and mist that you can potentially inhale. I dont want this new stuff in my lungs.
But qet towl activate the graphene
I’m with u Jimbo. Waxes suck. They should be off the market. They r a waste.
Tu a de bon vidéo sait possible de les faire aussi en français merci
Je crois que tu te trompes avec Pan the Organiser. Jimbo n'a jamais fait de vidéos en français (il est situé en Californie si ma mémoire est bonne).
For the price doe meguiar's wins and will last longer tfs buddy
You said you don't care if you're a man or not because of blueberry smell?
Jimbo what spray sealant do you recommend?
Not sure why you say so many times that you are not a fan of liquid wax? It is all liquid? Called viscosity. Clearly in the video Turtle dispersed and beaded better..
Turtle wax much better I can tell a big difference in the whole test.
a little off his game today
first like and comment
Thanks!
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Thanks!
Turtle Wax Graphene wax as spray.
It should be great then, if you don't like liquid or paste.
Can you tell me if Graphene has any anti static properties, as they say it must have.
It does
I definitely noticed that the few cars I’ve tested it on never get dusty! It’s kind of crazy how good it works
I put the paste wax on my car, washed it 3 days later and the protection was entirely gone. I was shocked. Reached out to turtle wax, they never got back to me lol
Did you do a full and proper decontamination BEFORE apply new paint protection?
@@yaishmatheen4274 yep, and a polish and panel wipe prior. i put on a coat of seal and shine after a thorough wash of removing this and it's acting like intended. in my experience the paste is garbage
What paste? None of these are a paste. Some BS detected in this comment.
@@SyphADL87 Liquid/Paste, the kind that isn't the spray
@@SyphADL87 Turtle Wax 53479 Hybrid Solutions Pro to The Max Wax, Graphene Liquid Wax. It's basically Flex wax in a liquid paste.