And this is the simple reason that I quit playing guitar in worship bands and started playing the piano so I could perform old hymns that satisfy my soul.
@@SundaySchoolClubNo, when the Almighty wants to be praised, he has Johann Sebastian Bach as his composer. An organ beats even my mother’s grand piano (fortunately, we bought a Hammond Organ for the living room, more reasonable than another member of her wedding party who built a Mighty Wurlitzer (tm) into his house).
I've always liked the old hymns better. Modern songs focus too much on our feelings or our reactions to what Christ has done, rather than what Christ has actually done.
Philip Murdoch I think there is room for the ‘This is how I feel about it’, but it needs to be in the context of ‘this is who God is and what Christ has done, is doing, will do’. The modern song form of Verse-Chorus is better than the old hymn form for this, but it has to be used to express this truth-response dynamic.
The songs about going to the lord in time of trouble are too popular It’s excessive It has become self serving In the end I don’t feel empowered I feel more sad or I focus more on myself Hearing one of those songs might help me but it must be followed by many songs about God’s greatness and if it’s theologically sound it turns my mind away from the pain a bit and turns on my analytical mind to understand the meaning of the words I mean... what is a bulwark?
I love old hymns. But I can't say I like them "better." Head-based theology is not "better than" heartfelt response. The Bible says we're to love God with all of our hearts *and* souls *and* minds *and* strength. Not that we're supposed to pick one to prioritize over all the others. In my experience, hymns can be too one-dimensional. They capture the just-saved, everything-is-wonderful, mountaintop experience, but they have less to offer in the moments when we're like Elijah, feeling overwhelmed and completely alone and desperate, and making a conscious declaration that we're choosing to follow and to praise anyway. The Psalms recognize a breadth of human situations. They include emotion. They even include (*gasp*!) repetition. And, IMO, rightly-understood and rightly-used, some of those "self-centered" songs aren't really all that self-centered.
"Amazing grace; How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me! I once was lost but now am found; Was blind, but now I see. Twas grace that taught my heart to fear And grace my fears relieved; How precious did that grace appear The hour I first believed! The Lord has promised good to me; His word my hope secures; He will my shield and portion be As long as life endures." "O Lord my God! When I in awesome wonder Consider all the works Thy hands have made, I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder: Thy power throughout the universe displayed. And when I think that God, His Son not sparing Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in: That on the cross, my burden gladly bearing, He bled and died to take away my sin. When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart! Then I shall bow in humble adoration And there proclaim, 'My God, how great Thou art!' Then sings my soul, my Savior, God, to Thee, How great Thou art! How great thou art!" "Great is Thy faithfulness, O God my Father; There is no shadow of turning with Thee. Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not; As Thou hast been, Thou forever wilt be. Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth, Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide, Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow: Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside! Great is Thy faithfulness, great is Thy faithfulness, Morning by morning new mercies I see! All I have needed, Thy hand hath provided, Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me!"
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Praise God from who all blessings flow. Praise Him all creatures here below. Praise Him above Ye heavenly host. Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen
This is my Father's world: O let me ne'er forget That though the wrong seems oft so strong, God is the Ruler yet. This is my Father's world: Why should my heart be sad? The Lord is King: let the heavens ring! God reigns; let earth be glad!
@cmowers9 --- Hello. I would say / add that the "Praise" music from Maranatha Music singers and players of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa/Santa Ana, in southern California late 1970's to late 1980's was actually good stuff. The words were often taken from sections of the Psalms or a verse of scripture someplace in the Holy Bible and did mention The Lord Jesus / Jesus Christ / God The Father / The Holy Spirit. Album "Praise Five" was very good. The video shows / mentions the absolute trash and gunk mentioned in this very good video about other groups that are NOT "Praising God" but are often doing what is termed: 7-11 tunes. 7 words sang 11 times over. NO depth, or meaning and NO mentioning of The Father, Son or Holy Ghost, or the cross or blood or sin or judgement or hell. Gunk from "Hillsong" and other gunk machines made up of wannabe singers and crummy guitar players that could not get a gig in a beer bar in a mining town. 1990's stuff to now is audio and spiritual garbage.
We watched this at BCM (Baptist Colligent Ministry) at my college. We were studying how every psalm in the book of Psalms mentions God by name explicitly and this video tied into that beautifully (and humorously).
This is what A.W. Tozer hated about contemporary lyrics. Full of "I's", they are more about what we say we do or will do for God, as opposed to what He has done for us. Very self focused actually.
O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you; my flesh faints for you, as in a dry and weary land where there is no water. 2 So I have looked upon you in the sanctuary, beholding your power and glory. 3 Because your steadfast love is better than life, my lips will praise you. 4 So I will bless you as long as I live; in your name I will lift up my hands. 5 My soul will be satisfied as with fat and rich food, and my mouth will praise you with joyful lips, 6 when I remember you upon my bed, and meditate on you in the watches of the night; 7 for you have been my help, and in the shadow of your wings I will sing for joy. 8 My soul clings to you; your right hand upholds me. Alot of 1st person, singular pronouns in that sacred song, and it was inspired by God himself and in the first congregational hymnbook of God's people.
If it is scripture, it is the Word of God singing. If it is simply man (different than Spirit inspired scripture), it is man singing. Generally speaking, contemporary evangelical lyrics are intended to evoke emotion, similar to when people at a Bett Midler concert raise their hands and hold cell phones with lights on as she sings "The Rose", or "From a Distance". Lutherans have a God to us theology; evangelicals have an Us to God ideology. I've done both and there is a difference.
Almost all of our local churches play this stuff. They play it too long, too loud and in the dark so that the focus is on the performers on the stage (two words that should never be used in describing a worship team). I sometimes don't know if I'm in church or a rock concert. I wonder how many praise team members would drop out if told they were going to be placed in a separate room and only the music would be coming through the sound system at an acceptable level?
I'm to the point where I won't accept any invitations to visit a church heavy on the praise music because it's played at earth shattering volume. I never understood the point of that.
"Even my Orangutan, Clyde, can write better Christ Honoring lyrics than most of what you hear on the Positive, Encouraging Radio Stations these days." - Clint Eastwood
"Now I will cling forever to Christ, my Savior true; My Lord will leave me never, Whate'er He passes through. He rends Death's iron chain, He breaks through sin and pain, He shatters hell's dark thrall, I follow through it all." Johann Cruger
"Just when I need Him Jesus is near; Just when I falter, just when I fear; Ready to help me, ready to cheer, Just when I need Him most. Just when I need Him, Jesus is true; Never forsaking all the way through; Giving for burdens pleasures anew, Just when I need Him most. Just when I need Him, Jesus is strong, Bearing my burdens all the day long; For all my sorrow giving a song, Just when I need Him most. Just when I need Him, He is my all, Answering when upon Him I call; Tenderly watching, lest I should fall, Just when I need Him most. Just when I need Him most, Just when I need Him most, Jesus is near to comfort and cheer, Just when I need Him most." -William Poole
Wait a second...this was just Donal doing a Clint Eastwood impression - I know it! He almost lost it at 2:04, and I was expecting to hear him blurt out "paa-trick!!" :)
As a musician and lover of classical this hits very close to home. My reaction listening to the lyrics: blah, blah, neh, nope, (get to the late on) YES! It is beautiful, stirring, and true!
“...when ocean’s rise, I’m gonna sing the tune from Baaaack to the Fuuuuture becaaause it’s pretty much the same chord progression.” Literally will never be able to sing Ocean’s correctly again. Thank you. 😂😂
I used to play this stuff in church, but i see clearer now about what good theology in music is, and have gone back to the original hymns which actually have good theology. In my escape from jesus culture, and N.A.R music, I summarized from the type of music I used to sing with this little ditty..., ( I'm gonna do this and Im gonna do that.., Im gonna do this and I'm gonna do that sometime soon, I'm gonna lift my hands to praise the lord, i'm gonna read his holy word I'm gonna do this and gonna do that sometime soon. ("this and that" is symbolic to the theological emptiness I used to sing about, Singing like I was reading the instruction manual to my VCR, but never actually using it or pressing any of the buttons. that is how i felt singing these songs, A few songs were heretical, but a good majority where mostly empty praise to me, which begs this question be asked, What is the Gospel? Simply put, it is Jesus Christ himself, his birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and etc. I believe these are the things that we should be singing about. "To God be the Glory Great things he has done so loved he the world that he gave us his son."
"Come, ye sinners, poor and needy, Weak and wounded, sick and sore; Jesus ready stands to save you, Full of pity, love and power. I will arise and go to Jesus, He will embrace me in His arms; In the arms of my dear Savior, O, there are ten thousand charms."
My music teacher always says that when you leave the church sanctuary, you never hear people humming the sermon. That’s the point of the music, to help the message of God have greater implantation into the souls of the people who hear it.
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVERRRRRR!!!!!! (I can say this with complete certainty because I used to be the "cool praise band guy" who played all of those songs.)
Good stuff there, Pastor Fiene! I went through a phase where basically, I only listened to "Christian" music and "clean" secular music. But then, I saw that so many "Christian" bands were either frauds, quitting the faith, or embracing bad doctrines which basically came down to "Jesus is my BFF." This video perfectly shows examples of embracing bad doctrines, or being too vanilla to actually say anything substantial. Plus, the vast majority of Christian music just isn't on par with its secular counterparts, usually sounding like a bad or not-near-as-good mimicry of a more popular secular artist or trend.
Uh-oh. Tipped some sacred cows with this one.... Tradition can take effort to embrace; richness is worth it. As I understand it, the oldest known hymn of the Church is "O Gladsome Light", sung at every Orthodox Vespers (early evening service). I think it's from ~ the 400s A.D. (not a typo). Still not my favorite, and hard to learn and sing, even for a musician, but it's growing on me. I have always loved that it stretches back to the earliest generations of Christians openly gathering in large groups for worship.🕯☦
How low was our Redeemer brought to raise us from our shame And now the highest praise of all belongs to Jesus’ name The Healer wounded on a tree to bear our grief and sin The King gave up His crown so we could ever reign with Him
I love the old Lutheran Hymn standards, but I sometimes wonder if there was a time where THOSE hymns were looked at askance by an earlier generation who had become accustomed not only to the substance of their musical worship but also its style.
People may not like the folk music genre that came out in the 70s and 80s, but they have to admit it was at least more substantive than Hillsong. "We hold a treasure Not made of gold In earthen vessels wealth untold. One treasure only: The Lord, The Christ, In earthen vessels."
Amen amen...at least Jesus and God were mentioned among the "I" statements...now you get a bunch of vague male pronouns so as not to offend the synchonists/universalists
Might want to do a sequel with Clint Eastwood reading the lyrics of songs like: Ancient of Days, Mighty to Save, Revelation Song, Above All, Our God, et cetera. Maybe can give a critique on _real_ contemporary worship music. You know, the stuff _I_ grew up singing at a non denominational church.
Back when I was a newborn, I really liked the Britt Nicole song she did with Owl City called You're Not Alone. I thought the lyrics said "He died for me" until I watched the lyric video and saw it says "he taught for me" that's when I started listening to Christian contemporary less and less, I was very disappointed that they couldn't even get a fraction of the gospel correct.
@@pursuingpeas8236 Na 2 minutes 44 seconds into the official lyric video "for God so loved the world he taught for me" th-cam.com/video/DavJ9UKS2ps/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I like thar one! Old hymns also were once rejected! P&W often uses Bible verses for lyrics....shouldn't we all be glad about that? I love the music I grew up with. When I had kids, I loved the music they grew up with, and now I've learned new music to love from my grandkids. Closing ourselves to new music means we miss out! Not only do we miss out on enjoying music, we also miss out on the connections to God and to each other that music provides. Hating certain musical styles is kinda antisocial. It's saying "I refuse to sing with you unless you sing what I want" And the Bible does talk about making things new and singing new songs, and God's mercies being new everyday.
Let all mortal flesh keep silence And with fear and trembling stand! Ponder nothing earthly minded, For with blessing in His hand Christ our God to earth descendeth, Our full homage to demand. Rank on rank the host of heaven Spreads its vanguard on the way As the Light of lights descendeth From the realms of endless day That the powers of hell may vanish As the darkness clears away.
And it reminds ME of King of the Hill: "You aren't making Christianity better; you're just making rock and roll worse." Not that I think (as some ultraconservative Christians do) that rock music is inherently bad or sinful or improper for Christian music; I simply feel that you compromise the quality of both rock and Christian music with bad lyrics that are less about what God has done for you than about how you respond to it.
I'm just going to leave this here...I mean thematic worship is a thing...right? Or can a song not refer to a sermon on Christ calling Peter out on the water (Matthew 14:22-34)? Oceans (Where Feet May Fail) CCLI# 6428767 Copyright 2012 Hillsong Music Publishing Verse 1 You call me out upon the waters (Matthew 14:28-29) The great unknown where feet may fail And there I find You in the mystery (Colossians 2:2-3) In oceans deep my faith will stand (Matthew 14:30-31) Chorus I will call upon Your Name (Psalm 116:2, 4, 13, 17, Lamentations 3:55-57, Joel 2:32, Matthew 14:30, Romans 10:13) And keep my eyes above the waves (Matthew 14:30) When oceans rise (Genesis 7, Psalm 46:1-3) My soul will rest in Your embrace (Jeremiah 6:16, Matthew 11:29, Luke 15:18-24) For I am Yours and You are mine (Song of Solomon 6:3, Song of Solomon 7:10) Verse 2 Your grace abounds in deepest waters (Psalm 42:7, Romans 5:20, 2 Corinthians 9:8) Your sovereign hand will be my guide (1 Chronicles 29:11-12, Job 42:2, Psalm 31:3, Psalm 73:24, Proverbs 16:9, Philippians 1:6) Where feet may fail and fear surrounds me (Matthew 14:30) You’ve never failed and You won’t start now (Joshua 23:14) Bridge Spirit lead me where my trust is without borders (Matthew 4:1, John 14:16-17, John 16:13, Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:16-18) Let me walk upon the waters (Matthew 14:28) Wherever You would call me (Genesis 12:1, 1 Corinthians 7:17) Take me deeper than my feet could ever wander (Exodus 14:21-22, Ezekiel 47:1-9) And my faith will be made stronger (Romans 4:19-20) In the presence of my Savior
I've noticed that praise music isn't as God-focused as it used to be. I didn't notice how bad it had gotten until I listen to a playlist on spotify called Hymns Old and New. It was so good. Like a cool drink of water in a hot day.
While I love some contemporary worship music, I agree about the "vague, sappy and repetitious" music. I feel the quality of the music too often grossly outpaces the quality of the lyrics. However, I feel that way about some hymns. And, whereas I don't suggest dumping all the old hymns because some of them are lame/boring/lyrically-junk, I don't suggest putting a nose in the air over modern worship music. Those hymns were written in a time and place, by a group of people that we're speaking to their time and generation. Same with modern worship music. As long as the message is good, I'm okay with a variety of styles. (Except rap. I won't say there's no place for it in the faith, but, I will say there's not enough room in most churches for both me and it...I can't get far enough away!) Lyricists like Michael W Smith, Chris Tomlin, Rich Mullins, Phil Wickham, Matt Maher (sp?), Matt Redman. They all do quality music, and if one of them does crank out something vague, sappy or repetitive, I'm willing to turn the other cheek. And, many a solid church has benefited from these songs. Mine has a regular diet of contemporary worship, with occassional old hymns, and that's a mix I like. After all, there's a word for churches that stick to just the old hymns.... Empty.... (okay, that's probably not 100% true....but, if I can't be snarky on this channel, there's just no justice) :-)
I find that critiques of contemporary worship often miss out the fact that these songs are contextualized in the service and sung with genuine joy and thanksgiving. They are actually quite beautiful, and you can memorize them in ways that are perhaps harder with more traditional hymns. For example, the song 'The Stand': "So I'll stand with arms high and heart abandoned In awe of the one who gave it all I'll stand, my soul, Lord, to you surrendered All I am is Yours."
I would remind you that Rich Mullins was not comfortable with people playing his songs in churches. And while I do like a number of his songs, I would concur with him. Just because a thing is not sinful does not mean it needs to be put into church. Pajamas aren't sinful, but that doesn't mean we should start wearing them during divine service.
I think listening to these sorts of Christian pop songs is at least better than listening to Secular Pop if that's the sort of music you like, but I agree that it's not for church, and I sincerely wish they would add more of the beautiful theology that God gave us into their songs.
The book of Psalms, dear friends, has similar content to some of this stuff. Obviously, Psalms are better, but many of the songs we sing as church are prayers, and think that some of these are okay. The whole thing about the secret place is a reference to Psalms. Some of these songs are terrible, though.
@ashieldaboutme yes. Get out now! Those contemporary songs are often just verses from the Bible. And we wouldn't want to be singing or learning the Bible.... Oh...wait...I thought we held the Bible as our book of scripture?
@reyalpEleluku --- True, but none of them is about The Lord Jesus Christ, because the Psalms were written centuries before the babe was born in a stable in Bethlehem. See / read: Ephesians 5:19 !!!
I'll concede that this is funny and I agree that some so-called 'worship' songs (old and new!) fall far short of expressing biblical truth, but regarding songs that don't mention the Lord, God or Jesus Christ, the Christians who sing these songs know WHO they're singing to.
Right? Can you imagine if we spoke to our family members the way some people seem to think we need to address the Lord in worship? It would sound a lot like those repetitive prayers the same people also tend to mock. (You know, "Dear Lord, we just pray to You. We thank you, Lord, for this day. We thank you, Lord..." My husband would probably be wanting to gag me if I were going around saying, "Michael, what would you like for dinner? Would you prefer mac & cheese, Michael, or, Michael, would you rather have pot roast? Because, Michael, the macaroni will take an hour, but the pot roast will take three hours, but, Michael, I know you like the pot roast better..." I wish we'd spend less time picking songs apart over stupid things and more time assessing their theological soundness.
And every tongue in heaven and earth shall declare your glory Every knee shall bow at your throne in worship You will be exalted oh God And your kingdom shall not pass away Oh ancient of days -A song clearly devoid of meaning and worship value (to continue a meme I’ve seen in these comments)
3# = Key of A, but if you want to be modal bout it it is A Ionian, or B Dorian, or C# Phrygian, or D Lydian, or E Mixolydian, or F# Aolian' or G# Lochrian. Now you can go and write your own songs of praise.
I heard the term "7-11 music" meaning seven words, repeated eleven times. I call it "666 music" because it feels more like six words repeated sixty six times.
I grew up in a very legalistic Church that sang ONLY hymns. My theology and walk with God are much stronger now, and for me more modern worship is a bit of a relief. I love some old hymns, but not all. They are not all theologically perfect either. Many worship songs today are based on scripture. And if you complain about repetitiveness, then what about the angels around the throne repeating "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty," over and over and over.....
Glad you like the modern songs@@Patty-to3rp I guess we all like different things and diversity in what represents All Nations, and In my Father's Kingdom there are many mansions (If it were not true, I would have told you so) - means that there is room to cater for everyone's musical preferences. The Psalms, whether they are chanted in Gregorian or in Anglican Plainsong are directly from the bible.
he, he, cute, but.... by that logic I guess we should remove most of the Psalms from the Scriptures, forget about even considering the Song of Songs as a possible symbolism for God's relationship with His people and that whole repetitive "Holy, holy, holy" thing the angels do before the throne, that's right out. What it comes down to is the whole - mind vs. heart, intellect vs. emotion, rationalism vs. romanticism argument. I get equally annoyed with the people who preach that we should only have new songs and stay away from hymns. It's not either/or; the Christian faith needs songs that express poetically what touches the heart AND songs that reach the head with good doctrine. In fact... I think there is a verse somewhere that says, oh, I don't know, something about "Love God' and goes on to say "with all your heart" and then something about "and with all your mind". *Shrug*
No man! Emotion is bad! Feelies are icky! We should all be stoned face while we all belt out some ancient german hymns from 1594! Strawman, I know, but let me just call it satire and now no one can critique it 😎
Thank you, J.D. While I agree that w-a-y too much "contemporary Christian music is Care Bear dreck, there remain many recent songs that teach truth about Christ without sliding into the morass of sentimentality. "He Will Hold Me Fast" is one such example. This video makes a good point -- and (full disclosure) I find hymns very meaningful -- but I fear it seizes on the worst of contemporary music to make its point without acknowledging that God is still using present-day composers to create that which is good and true and beautiful.
there's no law says you can't enjoy both. I disagree with the notion that contemporary worship songs don't belong. if it draws you to Christ, enjoy it.
Pastor Fiene, I am reaching for the highest goal, that I might receive the prize. Pressing onward, pushing every hindering aside, out of my way, 'cause I want to know you more.
This is fantastic. For those who are looking for the kind of worship referenced at the end of this video, try and visit your local Orthodox Christian church. You may be surprised (and refreshed and nourished) by what you find there.
It takes a lot of effort for Lutherans to be able to sing, for instance, the Troparion for St Herman of Alaska (written no earlier than 1970), and it has little to do with its "newness". One must jump straight from snatching up what few crumbs of gospel remain in Lutheranism, to an environment where the gospel of Christ is truly taken for granted - it is believed in Orthodoxy, it is everywhere and in everything the Orthodox do, IT IS NON-NEGOTIABLE, and thus our hymns can safely dwell on how the Holy Spirit guided historically documentable people (this one died in 1837) to further His real, well-physically-represented-on-Earth Church. For me it was a chasm that took 20 years for me to cross. I pray that it proves less difficult for others! O blessed Father Herman of Alaska, North star of Christ's holy Church, The light of your holy life and great deeds Guides those who follow the Orthodox way. Together we lift high the Holy Cross You planted firmly in America. Let all behold and glorify Jesus Christ, Singing his holy Resurrection.
With all due respect and admiration to the Orthodox (whom I do admire on many levels), you guys do seem to blur the gospel a bit and tie it in with works a little too much at times. I could be wrong, but sometimes I hear more about law than I do grace from you (Rom 3:28, Galatians 5:4, Titus 3:5)
Let holy charity mine outward vesture be, And lowliness become mine inner clothing. True lowliness of heart, which takes the humbler part, And o'er its own shortcomings weeps with loathing.
And this is the simple reason that I quit playing guitar in worship bands and started playing the piano so I could perform old hymns that satisfy my soul.
Perform??? And for your own soul??? Isn’t it for the lord 😂😂😂
@@SundaySchoolClubNo, when the Almighty wants to be praised, he has Johann Sebastian Bach as his composer. An organ beats even my mother’s grand piano (fortunately, we bought a Hammond Organ for the living room, more reasonable than another member of her wedding party who built a Mighty Wurlitzer (tm) into his house).
I've always liked the old hymns better. Modern songs focus too much on our feelings or our reactions to what Christ has done, rather than what Christ has actually done.
Philip Murdoch I think there is room for the ‘This is how I feel about it’, but it needs to be in the context of ‘this is who God is and what Christ has done, is doing, will do’. The modern song form of Verse-Chorus is better than the old hymn form for this, but it has to be used to express this truth-response dynamic.
The songs about going to the lord in time of trouble are too popular
It’s excessive
It has become self serving
In the end I don’t feel empowered I feel more sad or I focus more on myself
Hearing one of those songs might help me but it must be followed by many songs about God’s greatness and if it’s theologically sound it turns my mind away from the pain a bit and turns on my analytical mind to understand the meaning of the words
I mean... what is a bulwark?
You should also try singing the Psalms, which is the praise hymnal that God gave us.
I love old hymns. But I can't say I like them "better." Head-based theology is not "better than" heartfelt response. The Bible says we're to love God with all of our hearts *and* souls *and* minds *and* strength. Not that we're supposed to pick one to prioritize over all the others. In my experience, hymns can be too one-dimensional. They capture the just-saved, everything-is-wonderful, mountaintop experience, but they have less to offer in the moments when we're like Elijah, feeling overwhelmed and completely alone and desperate, and making a conscious declaration that we're choosing to follow and to praise anyway.
The Psalms recognize a breadth of human situations. They include emotion. They even include (*gasp*!) repetition.
And, IMO, rightly-understood and rightly-used, some of those "self-centered" songs aren't really all that self-centered.
“All my sins and griefs to bear, what a privilege to carry....”
"Amazing grace; How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.
Twas grace that taught my heart to fear
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!
The Lord has promised good to me;
His word my hope secures;
He will my shield and portion be
As long as life endures."
"O Lord my God! When I in awesome wonder
Consider all the works Thy hands have made,
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder:
Thy power throughout the universe displayed.
And when I think that God, His Son not sparing
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in:
That on the cross, my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin.
When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow in humble adoration
And there proclaim, 'My God, how great Thou art!'
Then sings my soul, my Savior, God, to Thee,
How great Thou art! How great thou art!"
"Great is Thy faithfulness, O God my Father;
There is no shadow of turning with Thee.
Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not;
As Thou hast been, Thou forever wilt be.
Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth,
Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide,
Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow:
Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside!
Great is Thy faithfulness, great is Thy faithfulness,
Morning by morning new mercies I see!
All I have needed, Thy hand hath provided,
Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me!"
Thanks to "Upon Friar Review" for inadvertently directing me to this, the greatest channel ever. How did the dumb TH-cam algorithm not realize that I, a Lutheran, would definately want to see and definitely LOVE this channel?
They brought me here too lol
They would say, the algorithm is working as designed.
Praise God from who all blessings flow.
Praise Him all creatures here below.
Praise Him above Ye heavenly host.
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Amen
This is my Father's world:
O let me ne'er forget
That though the wrong seems oft so strong,
God is the Ruler yet.
This is my Father's world:
Why should my heart be sad?
The Lord is King: let the heavens ring!
God reigns; let earth be glad!
This is the best one yet. This sums up my feelings about praise music.
@cmowers9 --- Hello. I would say / add that the "Praise" music from Maranatha Music singers and players of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa/Santa Ana, in southern California late 1970's to late 1980's was actually good stuff. The words were often taken from sections of the Psalms or a verse of scripture someplace in the Holy Bible and did mention The Lord Jesus / Jesus Christ / God The Father / The Holy Spirit. Album "Praise Five" was very good.
The video shows / mentions the absolute trash and gunk mentioned in this very good video about other groups that are NOT "Praising God" but are often doing what is termed: 7-11 tunes. 7 words sang 11 times over. NO depth, or meaning and NO mentioning of The Father, Son or Holy Ghost, or the cross or blood or sin or judgement or hell. Gunk from "Hillsong" and other gunk machines made up of wannabe singers and crummy guitar players that could not get a gig in a beer bar in a mining town. 1990's stuff to now is audio and spiritual garbage.
*3 sharps and 7 chords* RIP every "worship" team I've ever seen at Missouri Synod (LCMS).
"Well never mind, Mozart" lol
Three sharps are not a problem for guitar-driven praise teams. Three flats and no capos allowed would be difficult even for gifted guitarists though.
Bring on them gospel musicians. They play all them chords, but they might not know what they're called. :D
@@dancalkins97 bar chords?
@@MarkProffitt That’s one way.
We watched this at BCM (Baptist Colligent Ministry) at my college. We were studying how every psalm in the book of Psalms mentions God by name explicitly and this video tied into that beautifully (and humorously).
Which BCM?
This is what A.W. Tozer hated about contemporary lyrics. Full of "I's", they are more about what we say we do or will do for God, as opposed to what He has done for us. Very self focused actually.
O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you;
my soul thirsts for you;
my flesh faints for you,
as in a dry and weary land where there is no water.
2 So I have looked upon you in the sanctuary,
beholding your power and glory.
3 Because your steadfast love is better than life,
my lips will praise you.
4 So I will bless you as long as I live;
in your name I will lift up my hands.
5 My soul will be satisfied as with fat and rich food,
and my mouth will praise you with joyful lips,
6 when I remember you upon my bed,
and meditate on you in the watches of the night;
7 for you have been my help,
and in the shadow of your wings I will sing for joy.
8 My soul clings to you;
your right hand upholds me.
Alot of 1st person, singular pronouns in that sacred song, and it was inspired by God himself and in the first congregational hymnbook of God's people.
storckjon oof
The modern church has a bad case of "I" trouble!
If it is scripture, it is the Word of God singing. If it is simply man (different than Spirit inspired scripture), it is man singing. Generally speaking, contemporary evangelical lyrics are intended to evoke emotion, similar to when people at a Bett Midler concert raise their hands and hold cell phones with lights on as she sings "The Rose", or "From a Distance". Lutherans have a God to us theology; evangelicals have an Us to God ideology. I've done both and there is a difference.
thewordrules Great job generalizing my guy
Almost all of our local churches play this stuff. They play it too long, too loud and in the dark so that the focus is on the performers on the stage (two words that should never be used in describing a worship team). I sometimes don't know if I'm in church or a rock concert.
I wonder how many praise team members would drop out if told they were going to be placed in a separate room and only the music would be coming through the sound system at an acceptable level?
I'm to the point where I won't accept any invitations to visit a church heavy on the praise music because it's played at earth shattering volume. I never understood the point of that.
I used to go to a church that was like that, when I had had enough I sat down and stopped singing. I kinda felt like it was a form of abuse!
"Even my Orangutan, Clyde, can write better Christ Honoring lyrics than most of what you hear on the Positive, Encouraging Radio Stations these days." - Clint Eastwood
Left Turn Clyde!
I stopped listening to klove months ago
"Now I will cling forever to Christ, my Savior true; My Lord will leave me never, Whate'er He passes through.
He rends Death's iron chain, He breaks through sin and pain, He shatters hell's dark thrall, I follow through it all."
Johann Cruger
"Just when I need Him Jesus is near;
Just when I falter, just when I fear;
Ready to help me, ready to cheer,
Just when I need Him most.
Just when I need Him, Jesus is true;
Never forsaking all the way through;
Giving for burdens pleasures anew,
Just when I need Him most.
Just when I need Him, Jesus is strong,
Bearing my burdens all the day long;
For all my sorrow giving a song,
Just when I need Him most.
Just when I need Him, He is my all,
Answering when upon Him I call;
Tenderly watching, lest I should fall,
Just when I need Him most.
Just when I need Him most,
Just when I need Him most,
Jesus is near to comfort and cheer,
Just when I need Him most."
-William Poole
So we should have church music that sounds like Johan Cruger rather than Johnny Cougar? C'mon, now you are just being silly.
Wait a second...this was just Donal doing a Clint Eastwood impression - I know it! He almost lost it at 2:04, and I was expecting to hear him blurt out "paa-trick!!" :)
Or Conal
As a musician and lover of classical this hits very close to home. My reaction listening to the lyrics: blah, blah, neh, nope, (get to the late on) YES! It is beautiful, stirring, and true!
“...when ocean’s rise, I’m gonna sing the tune from Baaaack to the Fuuuuture becaaause it’s pretty much the same chord progression.”
Literally will never be able to sing Ocean’s correctly again. Thank you. 😂😂
I used to play this stuff in church, but i see clearer now about what good theology in music is, and have gone back to the original hymns which actually have good theology. In my escape from jesus culture, and N.A.R music, I summarized from the type of music I used to sing with this little ditty..., ( I'm gonna do this and Im gonna do that.., Im gonna do this and I'm gonna do that sometime soon, I'm gonna lift my hands to praise the lord, i'm gonna read his holy word I'm gonna do this and gonna do that sometime soon. ("this and that" is symbolic to the theological emptiness I used to sing about, Singing like I was reading the instruction manual to my VCR, but never actually using it or pressing any of the buttons. that is how i felt singing these songs, A few songs were heretical, but a good majority where mostly empty praise to me, which begs this question be asked, What is the Gospel? Simply put, it is Jesus Christ himself, his birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and etc. I believe these are the things that we should be singing about. "To God be the Glory Great things he has done so loved he the world that he gave us his son."
So you don't like praise and worship music
Frequently the lyrics of praise and worship is just verses from the Bible.
Why do you dislike the Bible?
“Harlots, and publicans, and thieves,
In holy triumph join!
Saved is the sinner that believes,
From crimes as great as mine.”
"Come, ye sinners, poor and needy,
Weak and wounded, sick and sore;
Jesus ready stands to save you,
Full of pity, love and power.
I will arise and go to Jesus,
He will embrace me in His arms;
In the arms of my dear Savior,
O, there are ten thousand charms."
This is your best satire. Good imitation of Clint Eastwood. Pray for old Clint, he's getting up in years.
This is so true, it's downright sad what the Church has done with beautiful music that actually honors God!
Love it! Do more of these! It would be amazing to see the Mormon boys come to Clint's door.
Gran Torino meets God's not Dead.
My music teacher always says that when you leave the church sanctuary, you never hear people humming the sermon. That’s the point of the music, to help the message of God have greater implantation into the souls of the people who hear it.
"That’s the point of the music"
Is it? (And if so, is it the only point?) Got Scripture for that?
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVERRRRRR!!!!!! (I can say this with complete certainty because I used to be the "cool praise band guy" who played all of those songs.)
I don't know... I've met you, Kozar. You were at least "guy with the guitar". (Kidding, brother.)
Yep, those songs which are frequently nothing but Bible verses
Don't know why singing verses of the Bible is soooooo bad.
Good stuff there, Pastor Fiene! I went through a phase where basically, I only listened to "Christian" music and "clean" secular music. But then, I saw that so many "Christian" bands were either frauds, quitting the faith, or embracing bad doctrines which basically came down to "Jesus is my BFF." This video perfectly shows examples of embracing bad doctrines, or being too vanilla to actually say anything substantial.
Plus, the vast majority of Christian music just isn't on par with its secular counterparts, usually sounding like a bad or not-near-as-good mimicry of a more popular secular artist or trend.
I agree with Clint Eastwood. Some call them 7-11 Songs: 7 words repeated 11 times.
Man I love this channel! As an independent Baptist, alas I have found sound Christian satire ! Keep up the good work!
And Babylon Bee can be pretty good too.
Even better, the church can return to singing the PSALMS.
Check out the Sons of Korah they put music to the PSalms
Calvinist innovation
If the Psalms had to pass the same tests people set forth for "modern worship songs," many of them would fail. "Too emotional." "Too repetitive." Etc.
Psalms AND Hymns
Lutherans sing the psalms every Sunday during the liturgy. What do you mean by "return to"? It was certainly never abandoned.
My favorite video on the channel.
Uh-oh. Tipped some sacred cows with this one.... Tradition can take effort to embrace; richness is worth it.
As I understand it, the oldest known hymn of the Church is "O Gladsome Light", sung at every Orthodox Vespers (early evening service). I think it's from ~ the 400s A.D. (not a typo). Still not my favorite, and hard to learn and sing, even for a musician, but it's growing on me. I have always loved that it stretches back to the earliest generations of Christians openly gathering in large groups for worship.🕯☦
How low was our Redeemer brought to raise us from our shame
And now the highest praise of all belongs to Jesus’ name
The Healer wounded on a tree to bear our grief and sin
The King gave up His crown so we could ever reign with Him
Yes Lord, Yes Lord, Yes yes yes Lord.
-Clint Eastwood
93 today -Happy Birthday Clint. Badass even in church!
This x 10000!!!!! Bring back the hymns!!!!!!!!
I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior
I love the old Lutheran Hymn standards, but I sometimes wonder if there was a time where THOSE hymns were looked at askance by an earlier generation who had become accustomed not only to the substance of their musical worship but also its style.
People may not like the folk music genre that came out in the 70s and 80s, but they have to admit it was at least more substantive than Hillsong.
"We hold a treasure
Not made of gold
In earthen vessels wealth untold.
One treasure only:
The Lord,
The Christ,
In earthen vessels."
On that point I will agree.
Amen amen...at least Jesus and God were mentioned among the "I" statements...now you get a bunch of vague male pronouns so as not to offend the synchonists/universalists
Hmmmm.....King of Kings is pretty doggone scriptural....
Clint Eastwood is an actual musician and composer which makes this even better
Might want to do a sequel with Clint Eastwood reading the lyrics of songs like: Ancient of Days, Mighty to Save, Revelation Song, Above All, Our God, et cetera. Maybe can give a critique on _real_ contemporary worship music. You know, the stuff _I_ grew up singing at a non denominational church.
I love the Lord Jesus, but I'm with Clint when it comes to today's praise music!
Thanks. You are BACK!
Back when I was a newborn, I really liked the Britt Nicole song she did with Owl City called You're Not Alone. I thought the lyrics said "He died for me" until I watched the lyric video and saw it says "he taught for me" that's when I started listening to Christian contemporary less and less, I was very disappointed that they couldn't even get a fraction of the gospel correct.
Goku Kakarot it actually is “you died for me”
But you’re correct about the whole of contemporary Christian music
@@pursuingpeas8236 Na 2 minutes 44 seconds into the official lyric video "for God so loved the world he taught for me" th-cam.com/video/DavJ9UKS2ps/w-d-xo.html
I been listening to ccm from the 90s and early 2000s mostly , u should check it out
@@dallasotero18 I'll do that, have you heard Psallos? They're amazing
listen to what feeds your soul; life is too short (and music too powerful) to waste it on music that's not bringing Jesus to your heart....
I’m not going to lie, I actually really enjoy the song “trading my sorrows.”
Yes, I like thar one!
Old hymns also were once rejected!
P&W often uses Bible verses for lyrics....shouldn't we all be glad about that?
I love the music I grew up with. When I had kids, I loved the music they grew up with, and now I've learned new music to love from my grandkids.
Closing ourselves to new music means we miss out!
Not only do we miss out on enjoying music, we also miss out on the connections to God and to each other that music provides. Hating certain musical styles is kinda antisocial. It's saying "I refuse to sing with you unless you sing what I want"
And the Bible does talk about making things new and singing new songs, and God's mercies being new everyday.
"Yeah, OK--well, never mind, then, Mozart!"
"You're not making Christianity better, you're make rock music worse" Hank Hill
Classic...and Hank is right...that boy is just not right.
As a Christian who loves both rock music (as long as it's clean) and the old church hymns, those are my thoughts exactly.
The music is okay, but doesn't need to be in church. And on the radio station they play the same. Songs. For. Ten. Years.
A Green Squid Kid I wish they still played songs from 10 to 20 years ago
Things just have gotten worse
I agree
Just wonderful!
This is fantastic and hysterical.
Old praise songs lyrics would make badass lyrics for blackmetal songs....
For real. I love "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence". Even the tune, Piccardy, is very doom metal like
*Are you **_FEELING_** it yet, Mr. Krabs?*
Let all mortal flesh keep silence
And with fear and trembling stand!
Ponder nothing earthly minded,
For with blessing in His hand
Christ our God to earth descendeth,
Our full homage to demand.
Rank on rank the host of heaven
Spreads its vanguard on the way
As the Light of lights descendeth
From the realms of endless day
That the powers of hell may vanish
As the darkness clears away.
Wow Clint Eastwood is a godly person to represent us well!
"You have to ask yourself, 'am I saved'? Well, are ya...punk?"
This reminds me of South Park:
"It seems you really love Christ."
"Yes, we sure do."
"No but it appears you are actually *in love* with Christ."
And it reminds ME of King of the Hill: "You aren't making Christianity better; you're just making rock and roll worse." Not that I think (as some ultraconservative Christians do) that rock music is inherently bad or sinful or improper for Christian music; I simply feel that you compromise the quality of both rock and Christian music with bad lyrics that are less about what God has done for you than about how you respond to it.
Finally. Some sanity among the throngs of hippified hip and relevant zombie songs.
I'm just going to leave this here...I mean thematic worship is a thing...right? Or can a song not refer to a sermon on Christ calling Peter out on the water (Matthew 14:22-34)?
Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)
CCLI# 6428767
Copyright 2012 Hillsong Music Publishing
Verse 1
You call me out upon the waters (Matthew 14:28-29)
The great unknown where feet may fail
And there I find You in the mystery (Colossians 2:2-3)
In oceans deep my faith will stand (Matthew 14:30-31)
Chorus
I will call upon Your Name (Psalm 116:2, 4, 13, 17, Lamentations 3:55-57, Joel 2:32, Matthew 14:30, Romans 10:13)
And keep my eyes above the waves (Matthew 14:30)
When oceans rise (Genesis 7, Psalm 46:1-3)
My soul will rest in Your embrace (Jeremiah 6:16, Matthew 11:29, Luke 15:18-24)
For I am Yours and You are mine (Song of Solomon 6:3, Song of Solomon 7:10)
Verse 2
Your grace abounds in deepest waters (Psalm 42:7, Romans 5:20, 2 Corinthians 9:8)
Your sovereign hand will be my guide (1 Chronicles 29:11-12, Job 42:2, Psalm 31:3, Psalm 73:24, Proverbs 16:9, Philippians 1:6)
Where feet may fail and fear surrounds me (Matthew 14:30)
You’ve never failed and You won’t start now (Joshua 23:14)
Bridge
Spirit lead me where my trust is without borders (Matthew 4:1, John 14:16-17, John 16:13, Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:16-18)
Let me walk upon the waters (Matthew 14:28)
Wherever You would call me (Genesis 12:1, 1 Corinthians 7:17)
Take me deeper than my feet could ever wander (Exodus 14:21-22, Ezekiel 47:1-9)
And my faith will be made stronger (Romans 4:19-20)
In the presence of my Savior
Yeah. I never had a problem with Oceans, although I can see why people would be averse to it.
Great post, btw. You really know your Bible lol
well said.
Thank you!!
I like old music and have a sense of superiority because of it (especially if it was written by germans or a few brits)
Absolutely brilliant
I've noticed that praise music isn't as God-focused as it used to be. I didn't notice how bad it had gotten until I listen to a playlist on spotify called Hymns Old and New. It was so good. Like a cool drink of water in a hot day.
While I love some contemporary worship music, I agree about the "vague, sappy and repetitious" music. I feel the quality of the music too often grossly outpaces the quality of the lyrics. However, I feel that way about some hymns. And, whereas I don't suggest dumping all the old hymns because some of them are lame/boring/lyrically-junk, I don't suggest putting a nose in the air over modern worship music.
Those hymns were written in a time and place, by a group of people that we're speaking to their time and generation. Same with modern worship music. As long as the message is good, I'm okay with a variety of styles. (Except rap. I won't say there's no place for it in the faith, but, I will say there's not enough room in most churches for both me and it...I can't get far enough away!)
Lyricists like Michael W Smith, Chris Tomlin, Rich Mullins, Phil Wickham, Matt Maher (sp?), Matt Redman. They all do quality music, and if one of them does crank out something vague, sappy or repetitive, I'm willing to turn the other cheek. And, many a solid church has benefited from these songs. Mine has a regular diet of contemporary worship, with occassional old hymns, and that's a mix I like.
After all, there's a word for churches that stick to just the old hymns....
Empty....
(okay, that's probably not 100% true....but, if I can't be snarky on this channel, there's just no justice)
:-)
Hilarious! What a wonderful tribute to humanity! Jim, thank's for sharing!
Left homework to watch this. Worth it.
The funniest part is that I haven't heard any of those songs in churc for at least half a decade, some not for almost 10 years.
This. is. fantastic.
GENIUS.
I find that critiques of contemporary worship often miss out the fact that these songs are contextualized in the service and sung with genuine joy and thanksgiving.
They are actually quite beautiful, and you can memorize them in ways that are perhaps harder with more traditional hymns. For example, the song 'The Stand':
"So I'll stand with arms high and heart abandoned
In awe of the one who gave it all
I'll stand, my soul, Lord, to you surrendered
All I am is Yours."
This was great
This should be called- “Horus really ruins ‘Oceans’” 😂😂😂
OUR GOD
IS AN AWESOME GOD HE REIGNS
IN HEAVEN ABOVE WITH
WISDOM POWER AND LOVE
OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD
Oliver Cromwell Did Nothing Wrong
So what about God putting on the ritz
Or whatever that verse was
I would remind you that Rich Mullins was not comfortable with people playing his songs in churches. And while I do like a number of his songs, I would concur with him. Just because a thing is not sinful does not mean it needs to be put into church. Pajamas aren't sinful, but that doesn't mean we should start wearing them during divine service.
And your God blows chunks..... When ever I hear this song all I can think of is that old Ken-L-Ration jingle "My dog's better than your dog"
Guys this is a joke
@@pursuingpeas8236 it says He ISN'T "just puttin' on the ritz."
I think listening to these sorts of Christian pop songs is at least better than listening to Secular Pop if that's the sort of music you like, but I agree that it's not for church, and I sincerely wish they would add more of the beautiful theology that God gave us into their songs.
The book of Psalms, dear friends, has similar content to some of this stuff. Obviously, Psalms are better, but many of the songs we sing as church are prayers, and think that some of these are okay. The whole thing about the secret place is a reference to Psalms. Some of these songs are terrible, though.
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As someone who just went from a traditional church to one that has more contemporary style music, I can relate. lol
Hurry, get out now!
I went from a contemporary church to an eastern Catholic Church. I much prefer chant.
@ashieldaboutme yes. Get out now! Those contemporary songs are often just verses from the Bible. And we wouldn't want to be singing or learning the Bible....
Oh...wait...I thought we held the Bible as our book of scripture?
"...well, uh, nevermind, Mozart."
(bwah!!)
He didnt even mention the atrocity that is "Reckless Love"
Reckless Love sounds like a San Francisco bath house.
Praise band, ELCA, down fall,
God has given 150 Psalms to us.
Yup and those are chanted (or at least should be) in the Divine Service.
@reyalpEleluku --- True, but none of them is about The Lord Jesus Christ, because the Psalms were written centuries before the babe was born in a stable in Bethlehem. See / read: Ephesians 5:19 !!!
Man you have been on fire recently. Keep up the good work.
I'll concede that this is funny and I agree that some so-called 'worship' songs (old and new!) fall far short of expressing biblical truth, but regarding songs that don't mention the Lord, God or Jesus Christ, the Christians who sing these songs know WHO they're singing to.
Right? Can you imagine if we spoke to our family members the way some people seem to think we need to address the Lord in worship? It would sound a lot like those repetitive prayers the same people also tend to mock. (You know, "Dear Lord, we just pray to You. We thank you, Lord, for this day. We thank you, Lord..."
My husband would probably be wanting to gag me if I were going around saying, "Michael, what would you like for dinner? Would you prefer mac & cheese, Michael, or, Michael, would you rather have pot roast? Because, Michael, the macaroni will take an hour, but the pot roast will take three hours, but, Michael, I know you like the pot roast better..."
I wish we'd spend less time picking songs apart over stupid things and more time assessing their theological soundness.
Exactly.
And every tongue in heaven and earth shall declare your glory
Every knee shall bow at your throne in worship
You will be exalted oh God
And your kingdom shall not pass away
Oh ancient of days
-A song clearly devoid of meaning and worship value (to continue a meme I’ve seen in these comments)
3# = Key of A, but if you want to be modal bout it it is A Ionian, or B Dorian, or C# Phrygian, or D Lydian, or E Mixolydian, or F# Aolian' or G# Lochrian. Now you can go and write your own songs of praise.
Awesome, good job Mozart...
Go ahead, make my day. Sing a hymn. Please. I'm begging you.
Jesus is my boyfriend music , I agree with Clint ,ick...I prefer Gregorian chant myself
I heard the term "7-11 music" meaning seven words, repeated eleven times. I call it "666 music" because it feels more like six words repeated sixty six times.
Please keep em coming!
Those old hymns are so much more poetic.
YES. Thank you.
There is no Christian lyricist like Paul Gerhardt.
I am a lucky guy - we have proper Hymns - mostly from The English Hymnal - and Psalms sung to the Gregorian chant.
I grew up in a very legalistic Church that sang ONLY hymns. My theology and walk with God are much stronger now, and for me more modern worship is a bit of a relief. I love some old hymns, but not all. They are not all theologically perfect either. Many worship songs today are based on scripture. And if you complain about repetitiveness, then what about the angels around the throne repeating "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty," over and over and over.....
Glad you like the modern songs@@Patty-to3rp I guess we all like different things and diversity in what represents All Nations, and In my Father's Kingdom there are many mansions (If it were not true, I would have told you so) - means that there is room to cater for everyone's musical preferences. The Psalms, whether they are chanted in Gregorian or in Anglican Plainsong are directly from the bible.
Was the ..,”everybody blames the Lutherans…” at the end from Grand Torino?! This hilarious, but true!
he, he, cute, but.... by that logic I guess we should remove most of the Psalms from the Scriptures, forget about even considering the Song of Songs as a possible symbolism for God's relationship with His people and that whole repetitive "Holy, holy, holy" thing the angels do before the throne, that's right out.
What it comes down to is the whole - mind vs. heart, intellect vs. emotion, rationalism vs. romanticism argument. I get equally annoyed with the people who preach that we should only have new songs and stay away from hymns. It's not either/or; the Christian faith needs songs that express poetically what touches the heart AND songs that reach the head with good doctrine. In fact... I think there is a verse somewhere that says, oh, I don't know, something about "Love God' and goes on to say "with all your heart" and then something about "and with all your mind". *Shrug*
No man! Emotion is bad! Feelies are icky! We should all be stoned face while we all belt out some ancient german hymns from 1594!
Strawman, I know, but let me just call it satire and now no one can critique it 😎
Thank you, J.D. While I agree that w-a-y too much "contemporary Christian music is Care Bear dreck, there remain many recent songs that teach truth about Christ without sliding into the morass of sentimentality. "He Will Hold Me Fast" is one such example. This video makes a good point -- and (full disclosure) I find hymns very meaningful -- but I fear it seizes on the worst of contemporary music to make its point without acknowledging that God is still using present-day composers to create that which is good and true and beautiful.
There's an entire book of the Bible that is a song and doesn't "Name drop" any member of the Trinity.
I'm afraid to share this video because it will offend many of my Facebook friends...
If this video offends them, they NEED to be offended!
Clint Eastwood's voice sounds more like Marge Simpson!
I love oceans :(
I'm kind of divided on this because I absolutely love the Tridentine Mass but I honestly do like a lot of worship songs haha. Dunno.
It's a pretty good song, but is it a song for corporate worship? I don't think so.
there's no law says you can't enjoy both. I disagree with the notion that contemporary worship songs don't belong. if it draws you to Christ, enjoy it.
Pastor Fiene, I am reaching for the highest goal, that I might receive the prize.
Pressing onward, pushing every hindering aside, out of my way, 'cause I want to know you more.
Too funny!
Yes, the vid only chose the lyrics that fit the point he was trying to make and ignoring the entirety of the songs.
Thanks for the fun/truth.
This is fantastic. For those who are looking for the kind of worship referenced at the end of this video, try and visit your local Orthodox Christian church. You may be surprised (and refreshed and nourished) by what you find there.
It takes a lot of effort for Lutherans to be able to sing, for instance, the Troparion for St Herman of Alaska (written no earlier than 1970), and it has little to do with its "newness". One must jump straight from snatching up what few crumbs of gospel remain in Lutheranism, to an environment where the gospel of Christ is truly taken for granted - it is believed in Orthodoxy, it is everywhere and in everything the Orthodox do, IT IS NON-NEGOTIABLE, and thus our hymns can safely dwell on how the Holy Spirit guided historically documentable people (this one died in 1837) to further His real, well-physically-represented-on-Earth Church. For me it was a chasm that took 20 years for me to cross. I pray that it proves less difficult for others!
O blessed Father Herman of Alaska,
North star of Christ's holy Church,
The light of your holy life and great deeds
Guides those who follow the Orthodox way.
Together we lift high the Holy Cross
You planted firmly in America.
Let all behold and glorify Jesus Christ,
Singing his holy Resurrection.
This is why I go to my Lutheran church's traditional service lol
With all due respect and admiration to the Orthodox (whom I do admire on many levels), you guys do seem to blur the gospel a bit and tie it in with works a little too much at times. I could be wrong, but sometimes I hear more about law than I do grace from you (Rom 3:28, Galatians 5:4, Titus 3:5)
Hi @@Outrider74 , Could you give an example? I'll do my best to explain it.
Yes, Orthodoxy does worship dogmatically "in Truth," so that we sing our doctrinal beliefs :)
AMEN!!!!!!!!
Great takeaways! Everybody blames the Lutherans : to name one.
Let holy charity mine outward vesture be,
And lowliness become mine inner clothing.
True lowliness of heart, which takes the humbler part,
And o'er its own shortcomings weeps with loathing.