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It will be at least decades before Electric cars become the primary consumer vehicle. What most don't consider is how to produce the electricity to charge them. More Nuclear power plants is the only way to produce enough for the demand of everyone having an EV, or until we have better technology. The green energy debacle last winter in Texas is a perfect example of the failings of wind and solar.
So why weren't the Republicans screaming bloody murder at Trump MANDATING that California not do what it wanted to do? Stomping all over their rights to regulate themselves the way they wanted.
I spent a lifetime working on the internal combustion engines of all types. While I'm not a fan of electric vehicles, they do have a place in our society. What I take exception to is having them forced upon us with little choice. it is presented as all or nothing, regulating gas cars off the road. THAT is tyranny.
EVs will be and are currently being rejected by the marketplace for the same reason they failed 110 years ago. They have not yet fixed the problem of charging time and they never will. But the political class sure found a way to print and spend trillions of dollars to friends of the Uniparty. I will never buy an EV and 95% or drivers never will either….
@mikeses4392 200 miles in a 15 minute charge is not a "problem" and is only getting better with the development of solid-state batteries. Charging time isn't the problem. Range per charge is and I would argue it is a problem that continues to improve. It most certainly is nothing like 110 years ago.
@@sincitysinnermike They have not overcome either problem and they never will. But even if they did, there is not enough rare earth materials to replace every real car on the road today. The global warming hoaxers will need to find a different solution to their false religion and those stupid charging stations will be the phone booth of this generation…..
@@sincitysinnermike agreed. I had this same argument with some of my gear head friends that unfortunately have their own stubborn passion for internal combustion vehicles claiming that electric vehicles will never replace gas powered cars due its lack of range and infrastructure. They don’t realize the technological advances are moving at a greater speed than even their favorite super cars. We are at early stages of biulding infrastructure and the battery/charging /ranges are all issues that they are improving on. I see the future as completely electric
I was in high school taking Auto Shop in the early 70's and felt that the internal combustion engine was on its way out due to the Gas Crisis. I decided not to continue my career of being a mechanic. I was very wrong then and I would not count the internal combustion engine out yet, not by a long shot.
@@Story_Teller_Everyone If you are including PHEV's and Hybrids than I would agree that it will be close to that percentage. But pure Electric I'd say no.
@@vroomgcThere will be no reason to buy gas powered vehicle. By 2025 they will be similarly priced, but more power, almost 0 maintenance less fuel costs. The last 10% would be towing long range, like camper trailers, and hobbies like rock crawlers, race cars. Why else would you want gas car.(in a new vehicle)
@@Story_Teller_Everyone Hey I know the benefits but the infrastructure wont be there yet not to it being a 10% all electric scenario, like you suggest. At least in my opinoin, but yes in time EVs or another technology will be dominating the transportation industry over gas.
Stop saying EV's are pollution free. Just because the CO2 comes out of a smoke stack at a power plant rather than the tail pipe, doesn't make an EV pollution free.
Here's one for you Scotty! My daughter works in a EV battery plant here in Georgia. The waste rate at just this plant is 72%!!!! How are they disposing of all the bad battery cells! BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RECYCLABLE! HOW GREEN IS THIS, OR BENEFICIAL TO THE PLANET ! It's not about going green, it's about the elites getting richer! I ASK YOU HOW GREEN IS THIS!
The monied interests driving this lifestyle image will put the old, bad batteries in the strip mining holes they make in the earth mining lithium and other minerals for the batteries. Then put a layer of dirt over the top like our waste dumps, and exactly like USA wars, out of sight, out of mind.
well... 80% of energy from the combustion of gasoline is wasted in ICEs. not to mention the drilling and refining process, the transporting of it around on trains and tanker trucks, the health impacts caused by the pollution. I doubt your 72% waste number or it must be a Ford plant
@@stevewilson6193 So what if "80%" is wasted. As per the Scotty video, numbers that are now emerging are illustrating it's more cost effective than EV's It's a far more practical energy mode for reliable mass personal travel. And the pollution is manageable.
What makes you think that lithium batteries aren't recyclable? They are recyclableand they get recycled all the time. There's a great TH-cam video here about a facility down in Gilbert Arizona that does the recycling
Got an email from Honda today asking my opinion on EVs and promising to be fully electric by 2040. They gave me 3 options: I want one; I’m interested; I’ll think about it. I wanted a 4th option: no way!
@@northdakotaham1752 DC, Democrats, Republicans, corrupt bankers, and completely abolish the IRS. We also BADLY need term limits. It can be done, and I hope one day it will be.
Yep, my thoughts exactly they don't want us to have the choice. If they did we would have other alternatives besides battery electrics. It's nothing but a cash cow and people are falling for it.
Here's another example of obsolescence engineering. 10 years = a new car sale every 10 years, due to the battery replacement costing more than half of what the car is worth, after depreciation.
Yeah, but what you may not realize is that Scotty is already out of date on his knowledge of EV batteries. Some models are already rated to last 1,000,000 miles. Also his discussion of wear of electrical motors is completely wrong. Unlike gasoline motors, EV motors are sealed so that it is almost impossible for foreign particles (that cause wear) to get into the gearbox. Further, while Scotty is right about heat causing wear, he fails to emphasize that electric motors run much, much cooler than gasoline engines. On the other hand, I think this is the first video Scotty has ever made where he actually admits that EVs require much less maintenance than gasoline cars.
After 4 years of playing the Tesla game, I am out. Sold my Model 3 because it was a low quality, poorly built tin can, but doubled down and bought their top of the line $100K Model S. It turned out to be a nicer version of a poorly built tin can, and then left me stranded on the side of the road at midnight with only 5K miles after an inverter failed and blew the main pyro fuse. Lost all forward power and coasted to a stop. 10 mins later, the little lithium 16V battery died an the entire car went dark. Took 3 weeks for Tesla to fix it, and I learned it's super common. Even the tow truck drive knew what was wrong just with me describing the symptoms. When a tow truck driver sees so many Tesla's failing that he was spot on with the diagnosis, you know the car is junk. Went back to a supercharged V8 in a true luxury car that is built with quality parts and has great service! F Tesla!
The biggest improvement to the environment that no one is talking about that doesn’t require any fuel change and will save you tons of money is…. Working from home for those that have jobs that can be done from home. During the pandemic lock down pollution levels plummeted as a result of less human activity. Does this mean everyone should just stay at home absolutely not. It just means reduced morning rush hour traffic, reduced evening rush hour traffic… reduced wear and tear on your car, reduced number of accidents on the road… reduced wear and tear on your roads. Reduced fuel consumption, lower insurance rates because you aren’t diving as much. More money staying in your pocket because you spend less on fuel on a monthly basis… you get more sleep because you save on the commute. Politicians should really be promoting work from home and funding work from home studies. What does it cost? Nothing. The roads will be clear for people that really need to be on the road because their jobs require it. Your packages will be delivered faster because there’s less commuter traffic. As a result of work from home I put about 6,000 miles a year on my car and that includes weekend road trips averaging 250-350miles in the warmer months. With the saving from work from home maybe you can buy that high maintenance luxury European sport car because you drive it so infrequently 😂
@@stevemcgowen with an over all reduction in human activity do you really think it will matter what you drive? Fossil fuel or EV? Technically you can afford to support both because again you aren’t using your car as much.
I totally agree with you. I’ve said for a long time that the easiest way to reduce pollution is to let anyone that can, work remotely. You don’t have to change anything and could reduce pollution drastically overnight. We need more of this type of thinking.
My wife used to put on 16k miles a year driving to her job. It was endless oil changes, brakes, tires, repairs and buying a replacement car every ten years. Since 2015 she has been working from home and now she hates driving, hates stores, buys on-line and has it shipped, even groceries. Drives less than 3000 miles a year. Her car is ten years old and will last another ten years. Uses maybe one tank of fuel a month. I drive it occasionally just to keep the battery charged up.
@@fredsue317 Elon Musk will be saying NI HAO once he realizes long term production in the USA is futile. China WILL be producing them. Just as soon as his rocket goes off course from Mars trajectory and heads to the planet URANUS😂
For me, the deal breaker with EVs is the charging time, it’s too long and will turn a long distance road trip into a nightmare. If they do come up with batteries that can charge in minutes just like filling a gas tank then another problem will arise.. how would the electrical grid take all that pressure from charging millions of EV simultaneously within seconds?! I feel there are many hurdles to adopting EVs in their current form. The holy grail would be to make fuel cell EVs. Other than that seems non viable to me.
You seem like the only reasonable person here! EV are not for the people who take road-trips frequently. I have an EV but I travel with old people that like to stop every few hours and go pee and take a break for over 20 minutes, also I only take road-trips a few times a year and I might just rent a car for that. But your point is valid.
Hmm... I am on my lunch break at work, while my car is sitting in the company parking lot charging up for free. I always leave work with a fully charged car. I fail to see how I am struggling or straining the power grid. I use a Level 2 Charger at 40AMPs which is about 14kWh each day charging my car in the middle of winter. I drive 50 miles per day on that 14kWh of power. Think about it, how often does one take a long distance road trip? I haven't done one in 5 years. In that time I would have saved myself countless trips to the gas station and having to wait in lines and pay stupid prices for gas. If I had to go on a long distance road trip. My car has DC Fast charging at 55kWh which would get me from 0 to 80 in 1.5h, while yes that is far longer than filling up at a pump, newer generations of EVs have 100kWh charging or even faster. For me, it is a non issue. Pick your poison, I would gladly trade the convenience of refilling my car in 5 to 10 minutes on a long distance road trip, if that meant the other 99% of the time I am not going out of my way to fuel up my car, nor pay stupid prices for gas.
@@jakthebomb how about when the whole parking lot is charging simultaneously? I doubt that your company will provide this for free. Look at the big picture here. Currently EVs is a minute minority of cars on the street, what if they become the majority? Would states like texas handle it?
Here's a couple of other factors that people need to know, sometimes (And it's RARE) getting the vehicle wet can set it on fire. Secondly, if I remember correctly, the amount of power needed to power just a few hundred thousand of these vehicle is literally about 40X the amount of power needed to heat and light a city for a year. And finally, disposing of the batteries is dangerous, in fact quite environmentally unsafe because of the Rare Earth elements needed in them, namely Cobalt and Lithium.
You missed that Passenger Cab of Electric vehicles are not shielded from EMF generated by the batteries. tires wear out in half the time of Gas powered cars. Battery charge gets cut in half or more during winter. Sea air does a number on EV batteries. Quick charging batteries to cut down charge time cuts battery life by 50%.
I want to know where the hell we will get our power from to keep all the electric cars going? If we can no longer use fossil fuel to produce power and the grid is always down for over consumption, what good are they?
@@SpeakerKevin all the wind and solar you could install would never keep up with demand, nuclear yes, but this new world is trying to faze it out as well!
I'd rather see fuel cell vehicles. EV's are a not enviromentally friendly due to the process to manufacture them and then what do you do with them once they reach the end of life? I am not against the EV but I do believe the technology has a long way to go.
The source of electricity in most countries makes EVs significantly worse than modern gasoline/diesel powered vehicles. In fact, if you use coal and natural gas to make energy, EVs no longer have the benefit of zero emissions while driving. So it's double detremental.
I’m with you on this. It is surprising how little critical thinking is going on about battery technology being used for cars when we all have cell phones which are constantly demonstrating how disappointing battery technology can be.
I remember 1969, fuel cell technology got Americans to the moon and back again! That was over 50 years ago....but let's just forget that, ditch fuel cell technology and stifle American transportation with loads of batteries from China instead of building upon what has been proven to work fifty years ago! That's our government.
@@northdakotaham1752 Hopefully there will be some good breakthroughs in the technology for breaking hydrogen out of water. Would be awesome for it to be cheap enough for the fueling stations to be able to generate it themselves on-premises. Once that happens battery cars are on the way out as is gasoline.
Owned a Sonata hybrid for several years and it was great! Because of its 17-gallon fuel tank, it ranged between 550-600 miles on a single fill-up. If I had money to start a new car company, every vehicle would be a hybrid. You get the best of both worlds!
Wow, 500,000 charging stations.. We have close to 15 million cars in California alone, many single family homes and tens of thousands of apartment buildings without chargers. We would need locations the size of drive in theaters to accommodate all the EV's they have planned. And don't forget, we can't keep the lights on during summer, how will we handle the extra load on the system? Its going to take a lot more than Joe's billions to pull this off...
There's only 150000 gas stations in the US. Are there hundreds of cars waiting at each one? No. Most people will only need to top up once a week. They rarely do a fill up from empty. Same with electric cars. At present, 10 minutes charging would keep most people going for the next week. These times are going to fall in the coming years. As of the energy shortage, that's getting improved on with renewable energy sources. Over the next few years, the cost of coal or gas powered electricity generation will be so expensive and renewable so cheap (it's already a fraction the cost of coal etc) that renewable energy sources will be the vast majority of production. Couple that with battery storage (using ev battery banks) the electricity supply chain will gett better and more robust than ever before. Your argument is one of ignorance creating fear. It never holds up to scrutiny. The economy will drive the change that's necessary. Don't rely on government to do it.
You also have to look at what else is happening. Currently Aptera is coming out with an EV that runs so efficiently that one model gets a 1,000 miles on 1 charge! They also have solar on the exterior of the car that can get you 40 miles of extra driving range just by sitting in the parking lot as you work. Another innovation is from a company called Solar Window, they are making a solar film that you can see through and it can be applied in multiple layers! Can you imagine a car covered in Solar Window film multiple layers thick? You may never need to stop at a charging station again! One other thing in California there are gas stations that have converted the EV charging and they are doing a lot better than when they had gas. By the way I think 15 million cars is a low number for California, I’m sure Jay Leno has at least 250,000 vehicles himself!
The lack of chargers in apartment buildings and other rental units is a big problem. I'm sure adoption if EVs will be pretty widespread among home owners in the near future. Not sure what can be done about the renters.... It's definitely an issue. As someone who lives in an apartment complex I certainly wouldn't buy an ev unless I could charge it at home. The extra load on the grid is absolutely a problem that can be solved though.... I'm not worried about that.
Mass use of electric vehicles would overwhelm the U.S. power system. More power plants would be needed, and the obsolete and fragile electric distribution system is already unreliable. I think a rush to fuel cells would be a wiser route to take.
i think you are 100 % correct. the electric grid here in the usa is maintained , in other words it just about works , there are ZERO upgrades . also the oboma ,cash for clunkers hurt the middle class and the poor the most by taking millions of perfectly working cars and trucks OFF the market and by doing that forcing used car prices skyrocketing . yet again democrats dont care about people or civil rights. i still dont understand the electric push considering there is enough oil for the next thousand years , this just doesnt make sense, to ditch superior ice for battery junk
Especially when they're trying to transition to solar and wind and get rid of coal plants. Then there is an elephant in the room - what do you do with those used batteries? First you have to mine the rare earth metals, but then you have to dispose of them safely. Conceptually EVs are nice, but I bet a serious cost analysis would show them to me more detrimental to our planet than regular gas/diesel vehicles
Futbolpro101 there is a big difference between a car and horse and buggy. Electric cars are not much different than a gasoline car. There really are no benefits to owning one.... maintenance is super expensive after warranty is up. Unless you know a lot about electronics you are gonna Abe paying big. I can learn most things on youtube and do them myself on my car.
@@TheGecko213 the difference was the economy. As roads were made and the infrastructure rapidly changed, it just made a lot more sense to buy a car instead, plus it was far more efficient, and actually cheaper to maintain than livestock. Same can't be said for the electric car right now. The government can barley afford to pave the roads these days, we've built an entire country around gas powered vehicles and it's going to cost a fortune and many years to repurpose business and residential infrastructure efficiently, for different vehicles. Hybrids are okay, but lack the utility in many cases, electric only cars are not practical. Can't even fix them yourself.
I’m reading so many comments about the battery failing at 12 or 14 years. Oh the cost. But if you drive the vehicle say for 200,000 miles in 12 to 13 years the fuel savings and the oil savings alone will more than pay for the vehicle. I own the Tesla model three, it is getting the equivalent of 130 mpg E. Do the math. Actually our 3 is doing better than that after 3 years.
They should look at real world numbers. Plenty of people still using a >10 year old battery in the older Teslas. There are also some high mileage Teslas still on the road.
When vehicle costs come down, range goes up, and EV battery swap stations become a thing, and pop up with reasonable swap fees all over the place, then I'm in. Until then I will continue to enjoy my internal combustion powered vehicles to fulfill my driving needs.
You have a long wait. At my age I doubt it will ever be a reasonable alternative and frankly, something about a Charger or Vette having an electric engine is just not right.
There's enough gas/ oil to run ICE autos for the next 100yrs heck maybe 200yrs... before we can all make the jump to electric were going to run into a huge issue getting the materials for batteries. I can't remember the exact number but the amount of lithium & nickel needed is ASTRONOMICAL. Think about it ?? Were already hearing about shortages and electric autos make up like 3% of the total.
There are many things I like about my Chrysler Pachy with an ICE. One of them is the ability to discharge the battery fully and run on engine until I can get to a recharge station. This not only allows for the most extended battery life possible, but also allows me the option of which fuel I want to run on. I imagine a future full of charging stations taking 1/2 to 1 hour to charge a battery and a long line of EV owners waiting for their turn. I am not sold on total EV for this very point - if you are travelling farther than the range of your battery then you must expect long waits, maybe a tow or pushing you vehicle because it went dead waiting in line.
Already Volvo/Polestar have already admitted that electric cars create 70% more emissions during production compared to a car with a internal combustion engine.
You don't need to even ask. No big surprise that it was Obama who stopped the fuel cell development in favor of EV which causes more environmental damage than fossil fuels. Obama fckd this country over for eight years before Americans finally wised up.
@@1VaDude I don't think voters made the wrong choice. The election in multiple states was operated illegally. Eventually that truth will be known. The truth can only be hidden for so long before it finally emerges.
Battery technology killed the early electric car in my opinion. As for the internal combustion engine, I think it will be around until the beginning of the 22nd century, especially in third world countries.
Electric cars are a terrible idea for people who live in cold climates. Especially when it can get between -30 to -50 in the height of winter. EV will lose most of the battery capabilities in this cold weather
@@lesterparker1594 Wait until the car gets around 100,000 miles (around 6 years) and you have to get a whole new battery pack. You will get a bloody sticker shock $15,000 for anew battery pack. Good luck with that. Oh, and what are they gonna do with all the used battery packs? Are you gonna bury them? You can recycle them ONLY so many times.
1/2 of the US goes into freezing every year, when a battery loses 50% of it's power. A person can get frost bite in 30 min. Battery operated cars in US, what the hell were they thinking of.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 No he won't, unless there is a revolution in battery technology that uses materials that are abundant, or we find more lithium and a way to mine it faster. Those US bills targeting 2035 conversion numbers are currently impossible to achieve. Then we have the problem of where are we going to get the power from. The 2035 targets would mean the US needs to expand the power production by 2% per year.. That isn't currently happening... We could use the cleanest and safest fuel invented, nuclear, but everyone misunderstands it so thoroughly that it won't happen. So instead solar will be promoted and make a heavy and toxic metals waste disaster in 20-30 years when they want to replace them with the newer technology of that time. Then we have all the people claiming EV are so clean, but that isn't true either. Cleaner, yes. Clean, no. A large percent of US power is still from coal, followed by natural gas. Produced at efficiencies around 40% then transmitted over the grid at 5-10% losses on what is left, where we charge a battery at another 5-15% loss (keep in mind you cannot sum up those losses, because each is off the amount you had before). So in the end the total efficiency is probably around 30%. An EV will drive 2.5 times the distance on that power vs ICE so is the better option, but still pollutes. Also thier manufacturing produces much more emissions. Some will say I only charge with solar, which has the manufacture and disposal problems, so isn't benign either, but better than petroleum. For solar, but I don't see how that is going to work for the masses unless we have abundant and cheap batteries at home. In theory people with cars use them. To get to work for instance. If you install solar on your home, and your car is at the office/job site, how are you going to charge it? The power companies aren't going to let us use the grid to transfer that for free (ignoring the losses for doing so). We are already getting to the point where solar customers are going to have a rude awakening when the power companies start charging them full price for the use of the grid as their battery, and stop free loading off all the other customers. In the end we won't transition nearly as fast projections unless a currently non existent technology is produced. EVs make more sense from an energy and pollution standpoint, but not from an economic and production standpoint.
@@whodatcatt if you're breathing 'gas fumes and brake dust' there's something seriously wrong with the vehicle buddy. You don't really know much about cars do you?
There will be a need for at least work trucks to go on as usual. Buses, heavy haulers. A new power source, or storage breakthrough, would be the final nail. But that seems very far off, and the science isn't there yet.
Even the EV makers admit that doing 'quick charges' on their batteries might reduce the life of them by approx. 50+% . At $5K+ to replace them (plus the labor costs) it isn't a very wise economic way to go. JMO.
A Major flaw in new EV automobiles is the fact that the driver/owner or DIY'er will not be able the fix, maintain or modify these vehicle therby cost far more to own.
@LabRat Knatz pointing out the obvious will get you censored these days. We, the simple working class who do all the work, paying and dying, aren't suppose to know anything or question anything our government and their paid mouthpieces, MSM, tells us. We are just suppose to believe them, shut up and get back to work, paying and eventually dying...to be replaced by somebody who will work for less money.
They are recyclable via hydro and pyro metallurgy. Tesla recycles ALL of it's batteries through Umicore in the UK. We all know you can recycle "copper" too. Half of all lithium mining doesn't come from mineral ore, but a brine evaporation process in which lithium rich brine is pumped to higher elevation evaporated by the sun yielding lithium. But lithium is only 2% of a lithium ion battery's chemistry by volume. It's not called a Lithium-Ion battery because it's chock full of lithium, but because a lithium salt ion is the electron that goes from anode to cathode or vice versa when a battery charges or discharges. Since we're on the subject of Rare Earth Elements, then you should know fossil fuel uses much more REE's as catalysts in the process of refining oil into gasoline. If you don't believe me, Google everything I just said; it's all true.
@@fiddynutz68 they actually use the left over energy in spent li ion cells for part of the recycling process. I'm not sure the carbon footprint of recycling old materials is tantamount to the amnt produced by virgin materials.
7:33 You are wrong! Most of Japan's electricity is generated by STEAMING coal, not burning it! Japan has succeeded in realizing the world's most efficient "ultimate" coal-fired power generation that captures 90% of CO2 and produces hydrogen as a by-product! This technology is commonly called "IGFC (Integrated Coal Gasification Fuel Cell Combined Cycle)". The image you have of burning coal and having smoke coming out of the chimney is already outdated... IGCF emits no smoke at all, steaming and gasifying coal, hydrogen fuel cells, gas turbines, steam turbines. It is coal-fired power generation that generates power with the ultimate efficiency method by combining three types of power generation forms.
@@paulbaker3144 It made a lot of sense back in those days. Remember, every car GM sells needs to be serviceable at every dealership. Also there was a warranty issue. If it was going to cost too much to stock the parts for repair, or repair the cars during the warranty period, they would be insane to keep them on the road. We aren't talking about an insignificant amount of money, either. Today a battery pack might go for $10k or more, imagine stocking those up at thousands of dealerships and being forced under warranty laws to eat what is essentially the cost of a car at the time.
What are you talking about? all he does is crap on electric vehicles. smh It's like you all think you can do whatever you want with no consequences lol. doesn't matter, you'll see.
Considering how much combustion based vehicles have changed (for the better) over the years, it’s pretty suspect that you don’t ever acknowledge such. You come across as a bitter GOPer with an axe to grind (senselessly.) Most of us don’t give a rip if the cars of tomorrow are electric, fuel cell, hydrogen or run off of walnuts. Of course everything isn’t perfect, yet, but with this attitude, who really cares what you think, Scotty.
I am happy with my 2008 solar energy powered car. Around town and occasionally trip into city, I get about 1100 to 1200km per fuel / charge cycle on my Nisan including 10 x 500kg trips with garden waste on a car trailer to my local waste dump , plus trip to metal recycling with 3 old refrigerators and 2 washing machines past their usèby date 😊😅
I'm with you on that one, I'm 38 and I can't live without carburetors and camshafts. I'm all about catalytic converters and egr valves if it cleans the air, but leave our engines alone. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, OPEC won't allow it. Do you really think they'll let these electric car nerds come in and step on their action? I don't think so, oil companies are richer and more powerful than you could ever imagine.
Glad Scotty mentioned the optimal way to charge the battery; it's not a fuel tank. While ni-cads were probably the worst about the charging cycle properties, solid state batteries tend to have a fixed number of charging cycles. The longest life comes from waiting to recharge until absolutely necessary, but many don't like to do that. Ni-cads were notorious for developing a "memory" when charged too soon. More modern batteries have much less tendency to do this, but still need good maintenance practices for longest life.
Recharging a battery is like having a big tank and a glass of water. The glass of water in this example will be equivalent to the charge level of your battery, so a full glass means a fully charged battery. When you buy that glass of water you also buy a tank with water. Every time you charge, you are extracting water from the tank into the glass of water. When the tank is empty, there is no way to pour water into the glass, so we say the life of the battery reached an end. Heat onthe battery and recharging too often will cause leaks for the water tank and will make the glass smaller. A smaller glass means less range.
24:27 electric was more practical as they didn't need to supply their own air as well as liquid fuel to the vehicle (no atmosphere for combustion remember). They also didn't want to leave any emmissions behind or risk contamination of the surface with oil etc, although ironically all 3 lunar rovers remain on the surface of the Moon.
Buy a 50k tesla or keep your 20 year old corolla. 5 years later the tesla is worth 40k but your Corolla has cost you 10k in repairs and 10 k in fuel. You're down 10k
I went from a 2007 prius to a 1988 Honda Civic, I spend about the same round in gas for the same amount of miles. Is is a stick shift and I drive fairly conservatively.
Here in the UK I heard a news item yesterday that said they're gonna start mining for stuff to make batteries on the ocean floor. Some are concerned about the environmental impact of that, in addition to the damage we're all causing now. Will we never learn? Why not drive a car like I have, it's tiny, has a one litre 3 cylinder engine, does 55 mpg, has very low emissions and costs around $16,000 new?
As a test driver at the GM Desert Proving Grounds, AZ, I was one of the first to test drive the first full electric EV1. It was fun, ran so quitely it even had to have an alarm when operated in reverse and was very comfortable. Rather than being an all purpose vehicle, I considered it more of a 'round town car, not a road trip car due to it's regular charging requirements. I was more impressed by the hybrid electric/fuel vehicles. My experience with GM's hybrid trucks and other vehicles greatly influenced my purchasing a beautiful pearl colored Toyota Prius. I loved that little car! In my opinion, the Prius was the best car I've ever driven, and fun! Just saying, Hybrids are the best way to go. They charge themselves as they are driven, and can be quickly refueled at your local fueling station. Go hybrids!
Don’t want one lipstick on a pig doesn’t change anything it’s still a pig you have to plan around charging stations wait two hours phooey don’t follow Brandon down this road guess what when the Russians and the Chinese come for us they won’t be driving ev tanks and flying ev planes just say n
I confess that I would not own a foreign car, even if it was assembled in the USA 🇺🇸, note: assembled. But seeing that Toyota is smart enough to see the writing on the wall about ev’s. I may have to reconsider.🤔
For me having both an EV for every day driving and my 4X4 ICE for towing and extended runs would be great. But 2 things hamper my EV ☹decision. 1) EV's are much more expensive to purchase and 2) our local state government has introduced a 2.5 cent per kilometer tax for EV's.
All authorities are going to have to look for replacing fuel tax incomes which will drop radically if EV's become popular. Either new taxes will be introduced (as in your case), or electricity costs at charging stations will go through the roof.
Scotty missed mentioning the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car". A must see. It's upsetting what happened to an early successful model. Corporate corruption.
Love the EV concept but I've yet hear where is the power coming from to recharge these millions of EV'S and have everything else powered without shortages or high price increases.!
That’s the catch. Electricity is actually not efficient. As the battery ages, you need to charge it longer to get less out. Co2 is part of the life cycle. Plants need it. So... why do they want to reduce plants on the planet?
Not only is there the cost to "the grid" - there is the cost of extracting materials, building the batteries, and disposal. I love Scotty, but I think he missed an opportunity here to address the true costs. IMHO.
You kinda forgot GM's EV1 back in 96. The EV1 was a futuristic looking two seat coupe with the curb weight of a mid size car, due to the heavy lead acid batteries that it employed. It was an albatross by today's standards, little more than a very sophisticated golf cart. But it was the first all electric vehicle introduced by a major American manufacturer in more than half a century. True, GM made a lot of screw ups when they introduced this car to the mostly Southern California public, but it was introduced as an experimental lease-only vehicle. The lessees were never intended to be owners, but instead Beta testers who paid for the exclusive privilege of driving expensive test vehicles. Problem was that GM was never super clear on that legal point, so many of the Hollywood folks who leased them felt betrayed, despite the fact they never read the fine print of their lease contracts. The EV1 was a dead end road technologically so GM refused to sell the vehicles to the lessees for fear of being sued when the vehicles developed any long term problems. Instead GM destroyed all but a hidden few of them in a blunderous move that did more publicity damage to the company, than selling the problematic cars would have ever done. One thing GM did do right however when developing the EV1 was regenerative braking. Credit must be given to them for that. Today every brand of electric vehicle on the road, uses regenerative braking.
Regenerative braking is a no-brainer for an EV; credit for use could be better given to AMC for their Amitron vehicle in 1967. Innovation and GM don't really go together. They are mimes of the motor vehicle industry. Even being bailed-out by the Fed's (Obama), when they should have gone under, was done by Harley-Davidson before them in the '70's. For me, the Sting Ray, Corvair, and Riviera, all from the early 60's are noteworthy, but a Continental is way cooler than a Cadillac.
Turning every car into electric would never work out for every reason ,, range , lifespan , chargers, electricity for chargers , rare earth elements for batteries , And the list goes on for a long time , just can't be done without plenty more planning and infrastructure
Except breakthroughs in materials science will allow for 1k+ mile ranges per charge. The electric car game is relatively young compared to the combustion engine (which is well over a century). Never underestimate engineering ingenuity.
Totally agree, we all know there will be advancements but just like the car manufacturers, government regulations and oil industry limit advancements in fuel economy are directly tied to profit margins. As always greed wins out
Lifespan? Is 400,000+ miles not enough for you? Range? How much do people really need? Not as much as they think they do. Most people drive less than 30 miles a day. The panic over EVs not being able to travel 500 miles is ridiculous. The criticism over public charging stations is overblown, most charging will be done at home, overnight.
I have owned a Chevy Volt for 9 years and have been very impressed with the car. The car weighs over 4000 lbs and get 40 mpg in mixed city and highway driving. I think this is because the electric motor propels the car and the IC engine only serves to keep the battery charged. I have spent $0 on maintenance other than an oil change once a year and new tires at 60,000 miles. The brakes don't wear and are original. The air drag coefficient is very low but the mpg is outstanding. I do believe that electric vehicles will replace IC vehicles over the next 20-40 years. The only question is where do we get the electric energy to propel them.
Holy S***! I get 34 to 38 in mixed driving with my turbo-charged Honda Civic. On the highway it gets up to 42 to 45mpg!! My Honda pure gas car does better than your Volt!
We have a Volt too and have been very pleased with it. About 85% of our driving fits within the 53 mile electric range ($2 for a full recharge on our home charger), so the effective MPG cost with that factored in is a vehicle that gets between 60-80 mpg. We had solar on our previous house, so the driving cost was covered by that during the summer months, and partially in the winter. We are considering installing solar on our current house. I do think the IC engine cars still have a long life ahead of them because electric infrastructure will need decades to expand to everyone's needs. We still have an IC vehicle to tow our tent trailer to the mountains a few times a year.
Good job Scotty! You have verified my thoughts regarding battery longevity. I charge my Tesla to 80% and not allow it to drop under 20%. I only charge to full if I am travelling long distance. I have called Tesla to check on battery viability after four months of doing this and they state that my battery is great condition.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 ok message me whem you get above 2 million kilometers ,a local cabdriver have a old w123 that passed that 10 years ago ,now its just a spare cab ,still running fine tho....
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 so you do not plan on replacing brakepads bushings stering componets bearings suspention ect ect And other wear parts ? you will never see Ev as old cars they are not built to last, as is the case with every ice car made in atleast 20 years you see i know abit about this stuff as i build battery packs for home use both from harvested cells and new ,even made packs for a few Ev, and been a mec since the 90 i have cars from the 50 60 80 90 mainly old volvos 444,544 121 and mercedes your ev will not be serviceable for a average tech when they are 60 years old , if they were made simple enough they could be ,but they are not..get alot of miles on it before its 8-10years old keep the cells over 3,20v under 4,19v if your model still run generic 186 cells between 20 and 80% and you will get the most out of your `car`
Im guessing anyone living on Michigan's upper peninsula, it gets so cold in winter that ppl have to leave their cars running all night so the batteries dont freeze...and thats regular cars.
Interesting video on the history of electric vehicles. Personally, I prefer to just let consumers buy whatever they want without Govt push. I like my Tundra I paid cash for back in 2014 as a dealer demo for $27k+ttl. I just hit 100k miles. I changed the brake pads and rotors just because…yes, the pads had life at 100k miles. I flushed my trans fluid myself for about $75 out of pocket. I changed my rear diff, and then got wild and flushed all the fluids. I changed the serpentine belt as well…it was brittle. I’ve gone through 3 sets of tires so far, and I’m on my second battery. I might put a AGM starting battery in it just because. The only issue I’ve had was a A/C blower motor, but I changed it myself in 30 min for $110 out of pocket. This went out at about 40k miles. Probably a warranty part, but I didn’t want to waste a day sitting at a dealer. Gas mileage isn’t great, but I live 10 min from work. To each his/her own, but I like my 5.7 Tundra. I hope it lasts me 10 more years at least when I retire early, God willing. Imo, all new vehicles are way overpriced currently, so I’ll just keep driving what I have. It still looks almost brand new anyway. I keep it in my garage every night, and it gets a thorough wash once a week.
If everyone took such good care of their vehicles we would have QUANTUMLY fewer vehicle problems & expenses. Most people to a more or less extent simply ignore auto maintenance that is usually very easy to do yet they gripe like mad once their vehicles break down and blame everyone but themselves.
@@nancysmith2389 Not really. This was all basic stuff a father hands down to his son. This basic knowledge is available on TH-cam though if not learned in that manner.
Good job taking care of that truck. You paid alot of money for it so why not take good care of it? Just makes sense! I keep my old vehicles too rather than just trading them in or selling them. Only problem for me is having enough time to maintain all of them, keep them going and keeping them stored inside out of the weather. Currently own 17 vehicles, oldest is 1941 Ford 1 ton truck.
I need to be able to drive over 500 miles in a day and also have a car sit dormant for 2+weeks at a time. It's always too hot or too cold for the battery in my environment as well . ICE are here to stay. Maybe fuel alternatives though?
I have 18K miles on my 2021 Tesla Y. I've had it for a year and a half now. I have never had to take it to the shop. I beat on it every time I get in it. The tires are still in great shape. It cost me $4 every time I charge it at the house. I generally charge it once a week. Takes about 4 hours to fully charge at home. I've taken several road trips from Vegas to LA/San Diego and Phoenix. It is about $15-20 dollars to super charge the car x3 to 4 charges. For perspective, I use to have a Lexus RX350F which was $60 to fill at $3.50 a gallon. I would generally fill it twice to make the trip there and back.I've heard all the negatives but, the reality is that negatives of oil still out way the negatives of the EV. The batteries are lasting longer and companies like GM are hopefully fixing the battery issue on the Volts. More and more people are getting solar. I have and now my electric bill is on average $15 a month, including charging my car. I see more and more Solar and battery storage these days, phasing out the coal. When we don't have to rely on oil tankers spewing emissions and dumping oil in the ocean to get it to us anymore. That should help. Tesla is working on getting all materials here and there are multiple companies already working on recycling batteries. I personally will never purchase another ICE car ever. They are inferior.
@BEAVIS elPastafarian Totally agree. I see so much bad info. I suggest talking with people who definitely own EVs. These articles are often so biased that it just makes you shake your head. I use to charge the car at night and I can see my bill and I am being charged about $4 per charge. I charge my car maybe twice a week. I have solar now and try to charge the car during the day. My electric bill last month was $15 with charging the car. Still paying $117 for solar though. Once it is paid off though, It's going to be nice. Really cool to not ever have to go to a gas station anymore.
@BEAVIS elPastafarian How many lithium mines have to built to service the need of EV's? Destroying the planet to reduce carbon in the atmosphere? No carbon means no plants, no plants means no oxygen. Lithium is a toxic waste and cannot be recycled. When the lithium reaches the end of its life cycle how much of the land will be taken for disposal in such a way that ground water and farmland will NOT be contaminated? Lead acid batteries are recyclable. That electricity you use to charge the EV battery, what is its source? Oil and coal... Good job blowing smoke... You are only looking at the middle of the picture NOT the whole picture. BTW: Most of the content of a internal combustion vehicle is recyclable.
Do any of you EV drivers realize the environment impact you're cars have to make? It's huge!! Do you know where most of the precious metals come from to make them? Cobalt for example mostly comes from the Republic of Congo using child slave labor to mine it and they could care less about polluting nearby rivers in the process. Disposal of the batteries when their life has run out isn't good for the environment either, since they can't be recycled. At the end of the day it's all about what the consumers prefer. If you like EVs, more power to you. If you like ICEs, then so be it.
Look what oil has done. How many wars have been over oil. How many major oil spills have there been. Oil has to be drilled which pollutes, then transported by a pollution vessel, then refined, which pollutes then shipped again by a pollution vessel, then it is finely put into a ICE vehicle to again pollute the air.
Until enough power plants are built to power all the EV charging stations, until an EV costs the same as a normal gasoline powered car, untlil there are charging stations everywhere with quick 30 min charges, until the EV has a range of at least 500 miles, until the EV is minivan and pickup truck size, until the batteries do not catch on fire, last longer and are cheaply made and ecological. The biggest problem I see is the elimination of all internal combustion powered vehicles along with the tyranical forcing of EVs on the public.
I was in rural Wyoming at a truck stop, a guy there had a flat tire on his Tesla. The truck stop did not have the unique tire and tools to change the tire. The Tesla had to be towed to Denver to change the tire.
Yes… same as with some Mersedes models that have special tires and other highend cars… When we get normal people EVs… those also will use much more normal tires. But it can be problem, but rich people can handle those problems.
I find it truly odd that these big brain companies have completely ignored the millions of people who don’t have designated parking at their home meaning they can’t charge these stupid cars.
A good reason to keep your vehicle and keep it maintained to last as long as possible. And put your currency in a savings account to help buy a new vehicle when it's time to retire your old vehicle.
And you won't be able to do that anymore once its total electric. Its throw away cars from then on at that point. This means garages closed, parts stores chains gone parts suppliers gone manufacturing what remains gone and it all goes to the corporations. Huge part of the total economy becomes totally centralized including the energy side of it.
The unfortunate truth that the current administration doesn't want you to know is that fossil fuels basically run the entire planet...not just cars, trucks....but the entire food supply, product delivery including the entire supply chain, ships, trains, trucks, aircraft...all run on fossil fuels. Then there are all the hundreds of other machines such as pleasure boats, light aircraft, motorcycles, RVs, off road vehicles, lawn equipment, construction equipment etc. If the government screws up the fossil fuel supply for automobiles and personal trucks, it also screws up the fossil fuel supply for all those other machines that are used to keep the planet running. So it really isn't as simple as just switching to an EV car...which btw...is recharged by electricity produced by coal or natural gas, fossil fuels.
@@northdakotaham1752 you highlighted our dependence on foreign oil....and the fact electrification will put an end to that.. I guess you really hate America or just love Saudi Arbia
I know from 1996-1999 GM had an electric car. You could not purchase it, only lease it. I knew two people that had one. At the end of the lease GM took them back, even though the people that had them, loved them and wanted to keep their electric cars. After three very successful years, the project was scrapped. The trouble was, some of the board of directors for GM are also on the board of directors for AC Delco and other supporting companies. With an electric car, you don't need to replace spark plugs, other ignition parts, belts, starter motors ect. This wasn't going to be good for AC Delco, so the electric power car was dropped. Even though they were successful and loved by their owners.
I wish he would have talked about the Buick Electra. Short sighted polititians and Auto CEOs killed that project. Now we are years behind in EV technology. What a shame!
Great vid but you neglected to figure in the electrical generating stations we would have to build. Only this last summer in California they were asking people not to charge EV's and turn off A/c because of electrical shortage. I can't see their EV program can succeed for many years to come.
If large scale battery storage solutions become a thing (which probably will once it becomes very profitable to build large ones), we can see a second boom for electric cars and renewable energy. The biggest issue today is we can not store energy that is generated so a lot of them goes to waste, and we have to still use a lot of fossil fuel plants because we need to match demand of electricity in real time or the grid shuts down completely.
@@ladasodaexplains3355 it's currently not possible to store AC voltage so that means millions upon millions of environmentally hazardous batteries used to store DC voltage....then the seriously inefficient conversion to AC voltage when power is needed. Probably cheaper for everyone to own their own personal hydrogen generator and produce their own fuel as needed.
@@ladasodaexplains3355 renewable energy is already here and in widespread use....it's called ethanol and bio-diesel. Fuel grown at home and used at home.
I didn't hear you mention the Saturn EV1. They made 50,leased them to sports figures,movie stars,then,out of the blue, repossessed them,took them to a plant and then had them crushed(supposedly)
First I've ever heard of Saturn making an electric car. And they must have been really good and that's why they got repossessed and done away with as you say supposedly crushed. That's just totally messed up but that unfortunately is how the world works isn't it or at least here in the us.
Most of my stuff is lithium powered including the house and two bikes. My reading and methods for durability are as follows. Do not fully charge unless you are going on a long journey straight away. Never leave it standing fully charged, the battery degrades. Normally charge to 80 or at most 90% (13.25 -13.3 volt on the 12 volt battery scale or multiply up to match car voltage) Do not flatten the battery too often. Stop at 10 to 20%. The nearer you keep to the middle ranges the longer it lasts. If storing a lithium device, leave it charged in the mid range around 30 to 70%, and check it occasionally. Frequent charging is ok, just don’t fill it right up and leave it standing. Occasionally like every few weeks charge it right up, this is called balance charging and keeps all the individual cells at a similar state of charge. Otherwise they become unevenly charged over time. DG These devices are quite impressive, although the evidence I’ve read suggests they are not more carbon efficient than internal combustion, unless you only do 10 or 15 mpg. They do break even at some point.
This was one of the best videos describing the past and future of the electric and hybrid car. I learned a bunch since you made it interesting and fun enough for me to sit through it all. My sister has a Prius that she has had for 7 years now. Never has given her a lick of trouble. I can see hybrids but pure electric? I think battery technology isn’t ready.
Tesla and other fully electric cars are out on the road getting rave reviews by normal drivers like you. It is happening now and it's only getting better. The new high level of competition is driving innovation. The government should help those organizations that have the talent and resources to advance the technology further. Tesla and others already have new battery tech coming soon.
@@ricric9521 "rave reviews"? Really? Try not to lie when obviously promoting something you hope will prevail. The batteries won't last ten years and that's ten years (if you're lucky) of misery because your battery life will diminish over the years. Do you not own a smartphone or anything battery powered?
Surely, the number of miles stated by the manufacturers will depend on the weight being carried e.g., number of passengers, suitcases, weather conditions. This will end up as being a similar debacle as occurred when various car manufacturers claimed over emissions.
Excellent video! I think the the magic formula is less than $30K to start, 300 mile range and battery top off from depleted in 10 minutes. Then there would be solid competition with ICE cars.
@@stevemcgowen It's closer to $42k. Mainly because we like big trucks and SUV's. You can buy a new Toyota Corolla for $21k. The EV's that are only 2wd need to start getting down to the $25k range. I keep hearing how they're going to get cheaper but so far all I've seen are price increases. Tesla raises the price every other week. Way overpriced for what you get.
Robert Frank / I totally agree with you. That's the magic formula. The Chevrolet Bolt EUV is around that price but the range is around 250 miles on one charge. GM can make an effort to use a little bigger battery and to bring down the price to a $29 999. If it does it, then GM will be the king, and its market stock value will go trough the roof. As the battery charge, there's a company in Israel, StoreDot, that has already created a battery ( pack ) that can be produced right now which has 5 minutes full charging time. The minimum 300 miles on one charge is an absolute must.
I have driven my Toyota since 2016, a 2015 car, and have done NOTHING, but replaced tires ONCE. It didn't take extras that are not FREE other than gas and oil for the last 7 years.
Wasn’t the GM EV1 the 1st modern electric car in mid 1990s through 2002? What about the conspiracy discussed in the documentary,”Who Killed the Electric Car? The GM EV1 seems to have been criminally surpressed by the oil industry.
I rented an EV to test out by driving across the country I found EV charging stations to be in the bad parts of town where land was cheap. There were no bathroom facilities at these charging stations making it necessary to walk some distance in bad neighborhoods to use a restroom room Owners working at these became very rude because you weren't a customer and rightly so..The weight was a problem when we had a flat tire in the desert The Tesla had no spare tire or jack As the jack needed to jack up that much weight would have been too big to fit in the trunk. We had to wait five hours to have it towed to a service station. At the charging stations, we saw numerous EVs towed in on wreckers Because they didn't have enough charge to make it. And unlike a gas car you couldn't get a can of gas and fill the car up enough to get it to a station. That is my main complaint. If they had a way to carry a small power cell to the car to charge it up enough to get it to a station without paying a wrecker to haul the car or someone to bring a generator I think that would be a game changer, Right now EVs are not safe.
I think that the electric car gained some popularity at the beginning of the 20th century because the roads were not very good and most trips were short. Not having to crank it by hand was a big advantage over gas cars at the time. Also it was quiet and not spouting fumes and noise as compared to the just developing internal combustion engine. Long trips were not in the cards at that time but as the roads were improved the gas cars showed their great advantages and with electric starters coming in it overcame the electrics advantages. Electrics still had advantages for short term use such as delivery vehicles and a golf cart after all is an electric car. The revival of the electric and the hope that they would supplant fossil fuel cars is an idea largely pushed by governments and not really being embraced by the public. It takes much too long to "refuel" an electric compared to a gas car. Hybrids would be a better bet.
Agreed that for now , Hybrids or PHEV's are more practical for people that do long commutes or driving trips. When the infrastructure and technology improves in 5 years lets say than this statement probably wont be true
The electric car was marketed to women that didn't want to bust an arm to prove how tough they were by starting an engine. They didnt want to smell like gasoline and axle grease The advantage of gasoline is that you could buy it at any hardware store. Easier to carry extra gas cans than extra batteries.
ICE is just a simpler tech. EVs stagnated because it would take decades of research to make batteries viable, while ICE cars rapidly improved while becoming cheaper. Eventually there was a turning point where the choice became obvious. Now the flip side is today: ICE has for the most part stagnated while EVs get rapidly better. They're already better than ICE in several departments: the cheapest EV motor is more smooth than the best Rolls Royce. They're silent. They're cheaper to operate. They're much better at acceleration. They produce more torque. Problems they face now are They're a little more expensive, and charging times... for most people, 300 miles of range is more than plenty. They charge at home every night. The rare occasion they drive more than 300 miles in a day, 25 minutes of charging is not a big deal every 5 hours. And prices are coming down fast. It's why EV adoption rates are DOUBLING every 2 years. Exponential growth is a key business indicator that this is the future
I think you are correct. I bought a Sonota Hybrid in 2015 and think it is the best of both worlds. It’s quiet, comfortable, economical, reliable, and stylish. What more could you possibly ask from any vehicle?
I've been driving a Volt for 7 years now. The problem is the batteries degrade with TIME. Whether you put on 5k miles a year or 25k, the batteries will still degrade with time. In real world use, we are seeing battery failures around the 7-10 year mark, regardless of whether the vehicle had low or very high mileage. The cost for a new battery in a Tesla is ~20k, and a refurbished (used) battery for the Volt is 6-12k. My conclusion is that an EV can be a great car for a high mileage user. I'm putting on 25-30k miles annually. For everyone else, it makes little sense due to the higher capital cost and the battery replacement cost around year 10. Until the batteries have greater longevity or a much lower cost, it's not the right choice for most, and those pushing this tech are ignorant to the realities of battery technology.
@@captinbeyond Thank you, there is way too much emotion injected into the EV debate. In my case, I've always been a tech oriented guy, so part of the decision was to try it out. The other part is since I drive so many miles, I wanted something that I would enjoy driving. At the rate I put on miles, I'll have well over 200k at the 10 year mark, so I'd never get 20 years out of a car. The costs work out for my high usage case, however they won't for most. I also monitor the battery health periodically, to avoid getting stuck with a failing battery.
Besides the limitations of the battery technology, the charging time puts a damper on sales. In order to really make it work, you need a network of stations where you can swap a dead battery for a charged one (and the car needs to be designed to make that easy to do).
@@Ridingrules10000 Tesla looked at that and abandoned it. It's just not feasible from a cost or reliability side, and the battery is several hundred pounds and is liquid cooled. If one can't charge overnight at home, or the range doesn't meet the persons needs, then it's not the car for them.
@@johnoldman5877 yeah. It would require a purpose built loading & handling system. If they are going to bother installing charging stations in remote areas, the extra cost of that part of the system wouldn't be that much more. It would require a redesign of the cars though.
@@captinbeyond Something happened with my prior reply, so I'll try again. Yes, I performed an analysis with several other vehicles prior to purchase. The factors included were scheduled maintenance, fuel, and depreciation. The "repairs" side of the equation clearly works out in the EV's favor unless the traction battery fails. The comparison vehicles were limited to hatchbacks and SUV's, as my needs had changed and I needed more cargo capacity. So no Corolla or anything with a trunk. The last part of my requirements is it had to be from an American company, because America, and it would have to be something I wouldn't mind spending that many miles in. The Volt has performance on par with a sports car, which is what I've mostly owned prior. It's really an enjoyable car to drive. Mine is fully optioned with leather, ACC, and all the technology. I put on 400 miles a week excluding trips. If comparing with an econobox, the econobox will win. However that's not what I wanted for the reasons above.
UK electricity is less than 5% by coal today... and that's high for us, most of the time there's no coal generation at all. There is no oil generation at all today. It has been established that even if a country's national grid is powered entirely by fossil fuels it produces less carbon using the electricity in EVs than turning it into fuel and burning it in internal combustion vehicle engines.
@@MrAdopado Clean energy can only be obtained from hydro, solar and wind power. Imagine millions of electric cars? Where will the UK get power for electric cars? Let's be honest, replacing "fossil" fuel cars with electric cars is a dream.
How to drive gasoling engine cars without oil… The same argument goes to that direction too… We run out of oil eventually. We have coal more than oil. So that will last longer. But the problem remains…
I just watched Scotty's most excellent video which is titled: "Everything You’ve Heard About Electric Cars is a Lie, Here’s the Truth"; but I'm confused, Scotty just reported much of what is already widely known about EV's .. what is the lie exactly?
Actually I don’t like his videos, they are visually scattershot, very annoying, and he just blasts information up there without any time to contemplate what is really going on. This is bad production, I have noticed this consistently from him, definitely have had enough of his goddamn videos.
Yes...after strip-mining most of the earth. Direct use of fossil fuel, however, is already more environmentally friendly overall than the generation and currently inefficient use of electric energy.
@@kairavpatel7137 Mining lithium is only one of many elements, some much more rare, that go into making modern electric cars work. Some simple research will prove my statement's seriousness.
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It will be at least decades before Electric cars become the primary consumer vehicle. What most don't consider is how to produce the electricity to charge them. More Nuclear power plants is the only way to produce enough for the demand of everyone having an EV, or until we have better technology. The green energy debacle last winter in Texas is a perfect example of the failings of wind and solar.
Scotty all vehicles on the moon had to be powered by electric because there's not enough oxygen required for combustion.
Batteries are technically fossil fuels also. They're rare, and involve digging into the ground, exposing the atmosphere to harsh chemicals.
So why weren't the Republicans screaming bloody murder at Trump MANDATING that California not do what it wanted to do? Stomping all over their rights to regulate themselves the way they wanted.
@@BillsSpamMail because near sighted stupid decisions made in California screw up the lives of citizens in the other 49 states.
I spent a lifetime working on the internal combustion engines of all types. While I'm not a fan of electric vehicles, they do have a place in our society. What I take exception to is having them forced upon us with little choice. it is presented as all or nothing, regulating gas cars off the road. THAT is tyranny.
Absolutely
EVs will be and are currently being rejected by the marketplace for the same reason they failed 110 years ago. They have not yet fixed the problem of charging time and they never will. But the political class sure found a way to print and spend trillions of dollars to friends of the Uniparty. I will never buy an EV and 95% or drivers never will either….
@mikeses4392 200 miles in a 15 minute charge is not a "problem" and is only getting better with the development of solid-state batteries.
Charging time isn't the problem. Range per charge is and I would argue it is a problem that continues to improve. It most certainly is nothing like 110 years ago.
@@sincitysinnermike They have not overcome either problem and they never will. But even if they did, there is not enough rare earth materials to replace every real car on the road today. The global warming hoaxers will need to find a different solution to their false religion and those stupid charging stations will be the phone booth of this generation…..
@@sincitysinnermike agreed. I had this same argument with some of my gear head friends that unfortunately have their own stubborn passion for internal combustion vehicles claiming that electric vehicles will never replace gas powered cars due its lack of range and infrastructure. They don’t realize the technological advances are moving at a greater speed than even their favorite super cars. We are at early stages of biulding infrastructure and the battery/charging /ranges are all issues that they are improving on. I see the future as completely electric
I was in high school taking Auto Shop in the early 70's and felt that the internal combustion engine was on its way out due to the Gas Crisis. I decided not to continue my career of being a mechanic. I was very wrong then and I would not count the internal combustion engine out yet, not by a long shot.
There were no alternatives in the 70’s but now??
Nah theyre on the way out. Drive any electric car you will see why. 2030 I bet there are only 10% gas car sells remaining.
@@Story_Teller_Everyone If you are including PHEV's and Hybrids than I would agree that it will be close to that percentage. But pure Electric I'd say no.
@@vroomgcThere will be no reason to buy gas powered vehicle. By 2025 they will be similarly priced, but more power, almost 0 maintenance less fuel costs. The last 10% would be towing long range, like camper trailers, and hobbies like rock crawlers, race cars. Why else would you want gas car.(in a new vehicle)
@@Story_Teller_Everyone Hey I know the benefits but the infrastructure wont be there yet not to it being a 10% all electric scenario, like you suggest. At least in my opinoin, but yes in time EVs or another technology will be dominating the transportation industry over gas.
That was the calmest I've ever seen Scotty! His new therapist is doing a wonderful job! LOL
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Wonder if that therapist made him believe Bush 43 was president in 1993? 🤔
Stop saying EV's are pollution free. Just because the CO2 comes out of a smoke stack at a power plant rather than the tail pipe, doesn't make an EV pollution free.
Here's one for you Scotty! My daughter works in a EV battery plant here in Georgia. The waste rate at just this plant is 72%!!!!
How are they disposing of all the bad battery cells!
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RECYCLABLE!
HOW GREEN IS THIS, OR BENEFICIAL TO THE PLANET !
It's not about going green, it's about the elites getting richer!
I ASK YOU HOW GREEN IS THIS!
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The monied interests driving this lifestyle image will put the old, bad batteries in the strip mining holes they make in the earth mining lithium and other minerals for the batteries. Then put a layer of dirt over the top like our waste dumps, and exactly like USA wars, out of sight, out of mind.
well... 80% of energy from the combustion of gasoline is wasted in ICEs. not to mention the drilling and refining process, the transporting of it around on trains and tanker trucks, the health impacts caused by the pollution. I doubt your 72% waste number or it must be a Ford plant
@@stevewilson6193 So what if "80%" is wasted. As per the Scotty video, numbers that are now emerging are illustrating it's more cost effective than EV's It's a far more practical energy mode for reliable mass personal travel. And the pollution is manageable.
What makes you think that lithium batteries aren't recyclable? They are recyclableand they get recycled all the time. There's a great TH-cam video here about a facility down in Gilbert Arizona that does the recycling
Got an email from Honda today asking my opinion on EVs and promising to be fully electric by 2040.
They gave me 3 options: I want one; I’m interested; I’ll think about it. I wanted a 4th option: no way!
They don't want us to have a choice.
@@XenoZbornak the current U.S. government doesn't want you to have a choice. Get rid of idiots in DC and you can decide for yourself again.
@@northdakotaham1752 DC, Democrats, Republicans, corrupt bankers, and completely abolish the IRS. We also BADLY need term limits. It can be done, and I hope one day it will be.
Yep, my thoughts exactly they don't want us to have the choice. If they did we would have other alternatives besides battery electrics. It's nothing but a cash cow and people are falling for it.
Just don't respond back you do not have to choose
Here's another example of obsolescence engineering. 10 years = a new car sale every 10 years, due to the battery replacement costing more than half of what the car is worth, after depreciation.
Eventually, maybe no vintage electric cars, because of batteries no longer functional.
@@alfaeco15 also, all the electronic controls break, even if batteries are replaced with newer generation cells
@@alfaeco15 Have you seen the electrics car thats were made a 100 years ago with nickel iron batteries and still run today .
I guess you didn't see they doing quad engines on the cybertrucj
Yeah, but what you may not realize is that Scotty is already out of date on his knowledge of EV batteries. Some models are already rated to last 1,000,000 miles. Also his discussion of wear of electrical motors is completely wrong. Unlike gasoline motors, EV motors are sealed so that it is almost impossible for foreign particles (that cause wear) to get into the gearbox. Further, while Scotty is right about heat causing wear, he fails to emphasize that electric motors run much, much cooler than gasoline engines. On the other hand, I think this is the first video Scotty has ever made where he actually admits that EVs require much less maintenance than gasoline cars.
After 4 years of playing the Tesla game, I am out. Sold my Model 3 because it was a low quality, poorly built tin can, but doubled down and bought their top of the line $100K Model S. It turned out to be a nicer version of a poorly built tin can, and then left me stranded on the side of the road at midnight with only 5K miles after an inverter failed and blew the main pyro fuse. Lost all forward power and coasted to a stop. 10 mins later, the little lithium 16V battery died an the entire car went dark. Took 3 weeks for Tesla to fix it, and I learned it's super common. Even the tow truck drive knew what was wrong just with me describing the symptoms. When a tow truck driver sees so many Tesla's failing that he was spot on with the diagnosis, you know the car is junk. Went back to a supercharged V8 in a true luxury car that is built with quality parts and has great service! F Tesla!
The biggest improvement to the environment that no one is talking about that doesn’t require any fuel change and will save you tons of money is…. Working from home for those that have jobs that can be done from home.
During the pandemic lock down pollution levels plummeted as a result of less human activity.
Does this mean everyone should just stay at home absolutely not. It just means reduced morning rush hour traffic, reduced evening rush hour traffic… reduced wear and tear on your car, reduced number of accidents on the road… reduced wear and tear on your roads. Reduced fuel consumption, lower insurance rates because you aren’t diving as much. More money staying in your pocket because you spend less on fuel on a monthly basis… you get more sleep because you save on the commute.
Politicians should really be promoting work from home and funding work from home studies.
What does it cost? Nothing.
The roads will be clear for people that really need to be on the road because their jobs require it. Your packages will be delivered faster because there’s less commuter traffic.
As a result of work from home I put about 6,000 miles a year on my car and that includes weekend road trips averaging 250-350miles in the warmer months.
With the saving from work from home maybe you can buy that high maintenance luxury European sport car because you drive it so infrequently 😂
if they do so, who will put money into thier pocket? nothing
@@stevemcgowen with an over all reduction in human activity do you really think it will matter what you drive? Fossil fuel or EV? Technically you can afford to support both because again you aren’t using your car as much.
@@stevemcgowen I’m pretty sure I covered that.
I totally agree with you. I’ve said for a long time that the easiest way to reduce pollution is to let anyone that can, work remotely. You don’t have to change anything and could reduce pollution drastically overnight. We need more of this type of thinking.
My wife used to put on 16k miles a year driving to her job. It was endless oil changes, brakes, tires, repairs and buying a replacement car every ten years. Since 2015 she has been working from home and now she hates driving, hates stores, buys on-line and has it shipped, even groceries. Drives less than 3000 miles a year. Her car is ten years old and will last another ten years. Uses maybe one tank of fuel a month. I drive it occasionally just to keep the battery charged up.
My 31 year old Geo Storm will still be running after Tessla goes broke.🤣
tessla will not broke, you dummy fark
@@fredsue317 they might you fummy dark
@@fredsue317 Elon Musk will be saying NI HAO once he realizes long term production in the USA is futile. China WILL be producing them.
Just as soon as his rocket goes off course from Mars trajectory and heads to the planet URANUS😂
But you will be driving a Geo storm like that's some kind of badge of honor
@@fredsue317 I wouldn't say that. Space X is on the verge of bankruptcy.
For me, the deal breaker with EVs is the charging time, it’s too long and will turn a long distance road trip into a nightmare. If they do come up with batteries that can charge in minutes just like filling a gas tank then another problem will arise.. how would the electrical grid take all that pressure from charging millions of EV simultaneously within seconds?!
I feel there are many hurdles to adopting EVs in their current form. The holy grail would be to make fuel cell EVs. Other than that seems non viable to me.
You seem like the only reasonable person here! EV are not for the people who take road-trips frequently. I have an EV but I travel with old people that like to stop every few hours and go pee and take a break for over 20 minutes, also I only take road-trips a few times a year and I might just rent a car for that. But your point is valid.
@@amirtz3342 Exactly EV's currently are for certain people and for those people doing small commutes , etc. they are great.
Let both continue innovation . we are going to need them all. Competition is good thing.
Hmm... I am on my lunch break at work, while my car is sitting in the company parking lot charging up for free. I always leave work with a fully charged car. I fail to see how I am struggling or straining the power grid. I use a Level 2 Charger at 40AMPs which is about 14kWh each day charging my car in the middle of winter. I drive 50 miles per day on that 14kWh of power.
Think about it, how often does one take a long distance road trip? I haven't done one in 5 years. In that time I would have saved myself countless trips to the gas station and having to wait in lines and pay stupid prices for gas.
If I had to go on a long distance road trip. My car has DC Fast charging at 55kWh which would get me from 0 to 80 in 1.5h, while yes that is far longer than filling up at a pump, newer generations of EVs have 100kWh charging or even faster. For me, it is a non issue.
Pick your poison, I would gladly trade the convenience of refilling my car in 5 to 10 minutes on a long distance road trip, if that meant the other 99% of the time I am not going out of my way to fuel up my car, nor pay stupid prices for gas.
@@jakthebomb how about when the whole parking lot is charging simultaneously? I doubt that your company will provide this for free. Look at the big picture here. Currently EVs is a minute minority of cars on the street, what if they become the majority? Would states like texas handle it?
Here's a couple of other factors that people need to know, sometimes (And it's RARE) getting the vehicle wet can set it on fire. Secondly, if I remember correctly, the amount of power needed to power just a few hundred thousand of these vehicle is literally about 40X the amount of power needed to heat and light a city for a year. And finally, disposing of the batteries is dangerous, in fact quite environmentally unsafe because of the Rare Earth elements needed in them, namely Cobalt and Lithium.
Cobalt and lithium are not rare earth elements.
@@stevecooper6473 Not what I was told, but that doesn't change that Lithium and Cobalt are incredibly dangerous and poisonous.
Another uneducated Nancy
@@Slitheringpeanut Lithium is prescribed for certain mental illnesses, so maybe we need more of it?
You missed that Passenger Cab of Electric vehicles are not shielded from EMF generated by the batteries. tires wear out in half the time of Gas powered cars. Battery charge gets cut in half or more during winter. Sea air does a number on EV batteries. Quick charging batteries to cut down charge time cuts battery life by 50%.
I want to know where the hell we will get our power from to keep all the electric cars going? If we can no longer use fossil fuel to produce power and the grid is always down for over consumption, what good are they?
@Chewy6942 Solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear come to mind.
Maybe electric car owners won't mind charging their cars with a treadmill or hand crank magneto, if they're so concerned about the environment.
@@SpeakerKevin all the wind and solar you could install would never keep up with demand, nuclear yes, but this new world is trying to faze it out as well!
@@bendeleted9155 or maybe they could just buy a bicycle? Hell of alot cheaper!
Not much.
9:00 "[E]xtremely hot or cold temperatures" is the weather at some time of the year IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.
So true! Whenever people are showing off these cars, they are rarely shown for very long in imperfect weather conditions.
Shhhhh! You will get censored if you point out that the emperor has no clothes!
Yeah this guy in the neighborhood leaves his new Tesla parked outside. Not going to last long in winter 🤣
Send a Tesla to Alaska for five years. See how it performs.
@@VintageCars999 tell him bro😹
I'd rather see fuel cell vehicles. EV's are a not enviromentally friendly due to the process to manufacture them and then what do you do with them once they reach the end of life? I am not against the EV but I do believe the technology has a long way to go.
Never vote for another Democrat. That will help.
The source of electricity in most countries makes EVs significantly worse than modern gasoline/diesel powered vehicles. In fact, if you use coal and natural gas to make energy, EVs no longer have the benefit of zero emissions while driving. So it's double detremental.
I’m with you on this. It is surprising how little critical thinking is going on about battery technology being used for cars when we all have cell phones which are constantly demonstrating how disappointing battery technology can be.
I remember 1969, fuel cell technology got Americans to the moon and back again! That was over 50 years ago....but let's just forget that, ditch fuel cell technology and stifle American transportation with loads of batteries from China instead of building upon what has been proven to work fifty years ago! That's our government.
@@northdakotaham1752 Hopefully there will be some good breakthroughs in the technology for breaking hydrogen out of water. Would be awesome for it to be cheap enough for the fueling stations to be able to generate it themselves on-premises. Once that happens battery cars are on the way out as is gasoline.
Owned a Sonata hybrid for several years and it was great! Because of its 17-gallon fuel tank, it ranged between 550-600 miles on a single fill-up. If I had money to start a new car company, every vehicle would be a hybrid. You get the best of both worlds!
Not to mention the complexity…….
EV fires were 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles
Hybrids reflected the most at 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles
@PaulKinley54 Okay, Nancy
Wow, 500,000 charging stations.. We have close to 15 million cars in California alone, many single family homes and tens of thousands of apartment buildings without chargers. We would need locations the size of drive in theaters to accommodate all the EV's they have planned. And don't forget, we can't keep the lights on during summer, how will we handle the extra load on the system? Its going to take a lot more than Joe's billions to pull this off...
There's only 150000 gas stations in the US. Are there hundreds of cars waiting at each one? No. Most people will only need to top up once a week. They rarely do a fill up from empty. Same with electric cars. At present, 10 minutes charging would keep most people going for the next week. These times are going to fall in the coming years. As of the energy shortage, that's getting improved on with renewable energy sources. Over the next few years, the cost of coal or gas powered electricity generation will be so expensive and renewable so cheap (it's already a fraction the cost of coal etc) that renewable energy sources will be the vast majority of production. Couple that with battery storage (using ev battery banks) the electricity supply chain will gett better and more robust than ever before. Your argument is one of ignorance creating fear. It never holds up to scrutiny. The economy will drive the change that's necessary. Don't rely on government to do it.
You also have to look at what else is happening. Currently Aptera is coming out with an EV that runs so efficiently that one model gets a 1,000 miles on 1 charge! They also have solar on the exterior of the car that can get you 40 miles of extra driving range just by sitting in the parking lot as you work. Another innovation is from a company called Solar Window, they are making a solar film that you can see through and it can be applied in multiple layers! Can you imagine a car covered in Solar Window film multiple layers thick? You may never need to stop at a charging station again! One other thing in California there are gas stations that have converted the EV charging and they are doing a lot better than when they had gas. By the way I think 15 million cars is a low number for California, I’m sure Jay Leno has at least 250,000 vehicles himself!
Build back better, you will own nothing and be happy.
That bill didn’t pass won’t happen now
The lack of chargers in apartment buildings and other rental units is a big problem. I'm sure adoption if EVs will be pretty widespread among home owners in the near future. Not sure what can be done about the renters.... It's definitely an issue. As someone who lives in an apartment complex I certainly wouldn't buy an ev unless I could charge it at home. The extra load on the grid is absolutely a problem that can be solved though.... I'm not worried about that.
Mass use of electric vehicles would overwhelm the U.S. power system. More power plants would be needed, and the obsolete and fragile electric distribution system is already unreliable. I think a rush to fuel cells would be a wiser route to take.
Xplain Fuel Cells ? ?
i think you are 100 % correct. the electric grid here in the usa is maintained , in other words it just about works , there are ZERO upgrades . also the oboma ,cash for clunkers hurt the middle class and the poor the most by taking millions of perfectly working cars and trucks OFF the market and by doing that forcing used car prices skyrocketing . yet again democrats dont care about people or civil rights. i still dont understand the electric push considering there is enough oil for the next thousand years , this just doesnt make sense, to ditch superior ice for battery junk
@@claudefields5941 hydrogen
Especially when they're trying to transition to solar and wind and get rid of coal plants. Then there is an elephant in the room - what do you do with those used batteries? First you have to mine the rare earth metals, but then you have to dispose of them safely.
Conceptually EVs are nice, but I bet a serious cost analysis would show them to me more detrimental to our planet than regular gas/diesel vehicles
you might as well use oil as use blue hydrogen
Great video. But I was hoping GM's EV1 (made from 1996-1999) ;would have been mentioned in the video.
Yes, I agree. Some of the developers of the EV-1 we're also influential in the rise of Tesla.
I thought that odd as well
One year after this video some states are already phasing out electric cars.
Nope there's to many drawbacks to a electric vehicle. I'll keep my gasoline car as long as I can.
They said the same about the horse buggy when Ford first invented his ICE car, Model-T
Agreed 100% Electric cars suck
Futbolpro101 there is a big difference between a car and horse and buggy. Electric cars are not much different than a gasoline car. There really are no benefits to owning one.... maintenance is super expensive after warranty is up. Unless you know a lot about electronics you are gonna Abe paying big. I can learn most things on youtube and do them myself on my car.
@@TheGecko213 the difference was the economy. As roads were made and the infrastructure rapidly changed, it just made a lot more sense to buy a car instead, plus it was far more efficient, and actually cheaper to maintain than livestock. Same can't be said for the electric car right now. The government can barley afford to pave the roads these days, we've built an entire country around gas powered vehicles and it's going to cost a fortune and many years to repurpose business and residential infrastructure efficiently, for different vehicles. Hybrids are okay, but lack the utility in many cases, electric only cars are not practical. Can't even fix them yourself.
@@KA-te7xk How many have you owned?
I’m reading so many comments about the battery failing at 12 or 14 years. Oh the cost. But if you drive the vehicle say for 200,000 miles in 12 to 13 years the fuel savings and the oil savings alone will more than pay for the vehicle. I own the Tesla model three, it is getting the equivalent of 130 mpg E. Do the math. Actually our 3 is doing better than that after 3 years.
They should look at real world numbers. Plenty of people still using a >10 year old battery in the older Teslas. There are also some high mileage Teslas still on the road.
Unfortunately, you won't save much money in the long run because your insurance will cost twice as much.
@@enigmavariations3809 It's not twice as much. Do you have a source for that information? It really depends on the cost of the vehicle and the driver.
@@enigmavariations3809 our Ev has very low insurance rate. IT is the same as my gas car and it is newer
@@enigmavariations3809this is an urban legend. EVs insurances are not higher than gas cars
When vehicle costs come down, range goes up, and EV battery swap stations become a thing, and pop up with reasonable swap fees all over the place, then I'm in. Until then I will continue to enjoy my internal combustion powered vehicles to fulfill my driving needs.
You have a long wait. At my age I doubt it will ever be a reasonable alternative and frankly, something about a Charger or Vette having an electric engine is just not right.
@@jimconnole6328 100 yrs ago ,they said the same bout the internal combustion engine.
Get used to the idea.
Unless of course, the gas stations are taken out of commission before u are ready.
Kinda like me and flip phones.
There's enough gas/ oil to run ICE autos for the next 100yrs heck maybe 200yrs... before we can all make the jump to electric were going to run into a huge issue getting the materials for batteries. I can't remember the exact number but the amount of lithium & nickel needed is ASTRONOMICAL. Think about it ?? Were already hearing about shortages and electric autos make up like 3% of the total.
Currently, there are no EV's with "swap battery" capability.
There are many things I like about my Chrysler Pachy with an ICE. One of them is the ability to discharge the battery fully and run on engine until I can get to a recharge station. This not only allows for the most extended battery life possible, but also allows me the option of which fuel I want to run on. I imagine a future full of charging stations taking 1/2 to 1 hour to charge a battery and a long line of EV owners waiting for their turn. I am not sold on total EV for this very point - if you are travelling farther than the range of your battery then you must expect long waits, maybe a tow or pushing you vehicle because it went dead waiting in line.
i agree with you 1000 %
@@orangepeel1366 Math is not your thing.
Great vid Scotty. Would like more analysis on the total overall cost of disposing all those batteries and the pollution generated from that activity.
Already Volvo/Polestar have already admitted that electric cars create 70% more emissions during production compared to a car with a internal combustion engine.
Yep
You don't need to even ask. No big surprise that it was Obama who stopped the fuel cell development in favor of EV which causes more environmental damage than fossil fuels. Obama fckd this country over for eight years before Americans finally wised up.
@@northdakotaham1752 -- They wised up, but then got even dumber than ever last year.
@@1VaDude I don't think voters made the wrong choice. The election in multiple states was operated illegally. Eventually that truth will be known. The truth can only be hidden for so long before it finally emerges.
Battery technology killed the early electric car in my opinion. As for the internal combustion engine, I think it will be around until the beginning of the 22nd century, especially in third world countries.
And in rural Australia 🇦🇺. With country similar size to usa with only 26million people . 3million of them in Sydney . 4,000klm east to west coast.
Absolutely
Lack of practical battery tech, but yes.
Also back then they didn't have a sophisticated battery management electronics, let alone a computer controlled system.
You think there is that much oil
Electric cars are a terrible idea for people who live in cold climates. Especially when it can get between -30 to -50 in the height of winter. EV will lose most of the battery capabilities in this cold weather
EVs are a terrible idea right now period. Who the hell wants to wait 45 minutes to charge the stupid thing? Give it 15 years and see where we are then
@@lesterparker1594 yeah agreed.
@@lesterparker1594 Wait until the car gets around 100,000 miles (around 6 years) and you have to get a whole new battery pack. You will get a bloody sticker shock $15,000 for anew battery pack. Good luck with that. Oh, and what are they gonna do with all the used battery packs? Are you gonna bury them? You can recycle them ONLY so many times.
@@stevemcgowen Well ND has a population of 750, 000. Thats just ONE place with these conditions.
So, millions, to answer your question.
@@fastskipper777 absolutely
1/2 of the US goes into freezing every year,
when a battery loses 50% of it's power.
A person can get frost bite in 30 min.
Battery operated cars in US, what the hell were they thinking of.
They have never convinced me that i want or need an electric car.
you dont need anything at all.
Have you driven a Model 3? Do you like exciting driving? Do you like breathing gas fumes, brake dust?
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 No he won't, unless there is a revolution in battery technology that uses materials that are abundant, or we find more lithium and a way to mine it faster. Those US bills targeting 2035 conversion numbers are currently impossible to achieve.
Then we have the problem of where are we going to get the power from. The 2035 targets would mean the US needs to expand the power production by 2% per year.. That isn't currently happening... We could use the cleanest and safest fuel invented, nuclear, but everyone misunderstands it so thoroughly that it won't happen. So instead solar will be promoted and make a heavy and toxic metals waste disaster in 20-30 years when they want to replace them with the newer technology of that time.
Then we have all the people claiming EV are so clean, but that isn't true either. Cleaner, yes. Clean, no. A large percent of US power is still from coal, followed by natural gas. Produced at efficiencies around 40% then transmitted over the grid at 5-10% losses on what is left, where we charge a battery at another 5-15% loss (keep in mind you cannot sum up those losses, because each is off the amount you had before). So in the end the total efficiency is probably around 30%. An EV will drive 2.5 times the distance on that power vs ICE so is the better option, but still pollutes. Also thier manufacturing produces much more emissions. Some will say I only charge with solar, which has the manufacture and disposal problems, so isn't benign either, but better than petroleum.
For solar, but I don't see how that is going to work for the masses unless we have abundant and cheap batteries at home. In theory people with cars use them. To get to work for instance. If you install solar on your home, and your car is at the office/job site, how are you going to charge it? The power companies aren't going to let us use the grid to transfer that for free (ignoring the losses for doing so). We are already getting to the point where solar customers are going to have a rude awakening when the power companies start charging them full price for the use of the grid as their battery, and stop free loading off all the other customers.
In the end we won't transition nearly as fast projections unless a currently non existent technology is produced. EVs make more sense from an energy and pollution standpoint, but not from an economic and production standpoint.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 uranimbecile
@@whodatcatt if you're breathing 'gas fumes and brake dust' there's something seriously wrong with the vehicle buddy.
You don't really know much about cars do you?
There will be a need for at least work trucks to go on as usual. Buses, heavy haulers. A new power source, or storage breakthrough, would be the final nail. But that seems very far off, and the science isn't there yet.
I live in the EU and here we have a lot of electric buses and city trucks around. I do not see the issue
Even the EV makers admit that doing 'quick charges' on their batteries might reduce the life of them by approx. 50+% . At $5K+ to replace them (plus the labor costs) it isn't a very wise economic way to go. JMO.
Yeah...and with the extreme patience everyone has, I am sure almost nobody will damage their batteries by fast charging them. /s
NOLL - there is no “might” about it. It’s a known fact.
The might part was meant about the percentage, not about the reduction of life. JMO.
@@northdakotaham1752 lol
@@NOLL72 one affects the other…
A Major flaw in new EV automobiles is the fact that the driver/owner or DIY'er will not be able the fix, maintain or modify these vehicle therby cost far more to own.
Wouldn't regenerative breaking violate the principle of frequent charging being a bad thing?
@LabRat Knatz pointing out the obvious will get you censored these days. We, the simple working class who do all the work, paying and dying, aren't suppose to know anything or question anything our government and their paid mouthpieces, MSM, tells us. We are just suppose to believe them, shut up and get back to work, paying and eventually dying...to be replaced by somebody who will work for less money.
It is lower energy than charging. Battery should not be meaningfully affected.
@@alfaeco15 “should”?
What always kills good things - greedy a-holes and corrupt politicians!
😂
Corrupt politicians more than anything else!
Steven, amen to that. You are are so right.
Unless those batteries are some how recyclable I'm not sure how green electric cars really are?
They are recyclable via hydro and pyro metallurgy. Tesla recycles ALL of it's batteries through Umicore in the UK. We all know you can recycle "copper" too. Half of all lithium mining doesn't come from mineral ore, but a brine evaporation process in which lithium rich brine is pumped to higher elevation evaporated by the sun yielding lithium. But lithium is only 2% of a lithium ion battery's chemistry by volume. It's not called a Lithium-Ion battery because it's chock full of lithium, but because a lithium salt ion is the electron that goes from anode to cathode or vice versa when a battery charges or discharges. Since we're on the subject of Rare Earth Elements, then you should know fossil fuel uses much more REE's as catalysts in the process of refining oil into gasoline. If you don't believe me, Google everything I just said; it's all true.
Their is a lithium battery factory in Nevada that builds batteries. Chemicals from the factory has been found in the water up to 100 miles away.
@@itisno1 ever looked into the carbon footprint produced by recycling, loads and loads of energy used.
@Yippee Skippy Rare earths are by-products of mining of more common metals. There is no such thing as a dedicated rare earth mine.
@@fiddynutz68 they actually use the left over energy in spent li ion cells for part of the recycling process. I'm not sure the carbon footprint of recycling old materials is tantamount to the amnt produced by virgin materials.
7:33 You are wrong! Most of Japan's electricity is generated by STEAMING coal, not burning it! Japan has succeeded in realizing the world's most efficient "ultimate" coal-fired power generation that captures 90% of CO2 and produces hydrogen as a by-product! This technology is commonly called "IGFC (Integrated Coal Gasification Fuel Cell Combined Cycle)". The image you have of burning coal and having smoke coming out of the chimney is already outdated... IGCF emits no smoke at all, steaming and gasifying coal, hydrogen fuel cells, gas turbines, steam turbines. It is coal-fired power generation that generates power with the ultimate efficiency method by combining three types of power generation forms.
you forgot the Saturn EV1. That was technically the first electric vehicle that was mass produced.
I miss Saturns.
Mitsubishi MiEV
Great EV! Apparently GM only leased them then took them back and crushed all but one. WTF!
@@paulbaker3144 It made a lot of sense back in those days. Remember, every car GM sells needs to be serviceable at every dealership. Also there was a warranty issue. If it was going to cost too much to stock the parts for repair, or repair the cars during the warranty period, they would be insane to keep them on the road. We aren't talking about an insignificant amount of money, either. Today a battery pack might go for $10k or more, imagine stocking those up at thousands of dealerships and being forced under warranty laws to eat what is essentially the cost of a car at the time.
in this century.
I loved the way you broke down the pros & cons and history of the EV car. Keep up the awesome research & information behind everything you do Scotty 🤩
What are you talking about? all he does is crap on electric vehicles. smh It's like you all think you can do whatever you want with no consequences lol. doesn't matter, you'll see.
Considering how much combustion based vehicles have changed (for the better) over the years, it’s pretty suspect that you don’t ever acknowledge such. You come across as a bitter GOPer with an axe to grind (senselessly.) Most of us don’t give a rip if the cars of tomorrow are electric, fuel cell, hydrogen or run off of walnuts. Of course everything isn’t perfect, yet, but with this attitude, who really cares what you think, Scotty.
It's great if you dismiss the need for it to be truthful.
@@mjdugger7984 I want a walnut fueled car.
I am happy with my 2008 solar energy powered car. Around town and occasionally trip into city, I get about 1100 to 1200km per fuel / charge cycle on my Nisan including 10 x 500kg trips with garden waste on a car trailer to my local waste dump , plus trip to metal recycling with 3 old refrigerators and 2 washing machines past their usèby date 😊😅
If it does, I hope it's after my time, I'm nearing 30 but I'd rather stick to the roar of a V8 engine for my lifetime
I'm with you on that one, I'm 38 and I can't live without carburetors and camshafts. I'm all about catalytic converters and egr valves if it cleans the air, but leave our engines alone. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, OPEC won't allow it. Do you really think they'll let these electric car nerds come in and step on their action? I don't think so, oil companies are richer and more powerful than you could ever imagine.
You and about 300 million other Americans.
It's a fad. Remember the Segway?
@@pmtips4482 A fad does not hit a trillion dollar market cap. EVs are here to stay.
@@avsrule247 until a new sheriff arrives a year from now and pulls the country out of the ditch. You can take that to the bank.
Glad Scotty mentioned the optimal way to charge the battery; it's not a fuel tank. While ni-cads were probably the worst about the charging cycle properties, solid state batteries tend to have a fixed number of charging cycles. The longest life comes from waiting to recharge until absolutely necessary, but many don't like to do that. Ni-cads were notorious for developing a "memory" when charged too soon. More modern batteries have much less tendency to do this, but still need good maintenance practices for longest life.
But what about all the mining that comes with EVs
@@marythompson4654 EV Mfg Sourcing, MFG, Pollutes, Uses Child Slave Labor, Mines owned by China, and Pollutes the Rainforest, Uses Reliable Energy
Recharging a battery is like having a big tank and a glass of water. The glass of water in this example will be equivalent to the charge level of your battery, so a full glass means a fully charged battery. When you buy that glass of water you also buy a tank with water. Every time you charge, you are extracting water from the tank into the glass of water. When the tank is empty, there is no way to pour water into the glass, so we say the life of the battery reached an end. Heat onthe battery and recharging too often will cause leaks for the water tank and will make the glass smaller. A smaller glass means less range.
@@marythompson4654but what about all the mining with gas cars!?
@@marythompson4654 but what about all the mining and oil pumping with combustion vehicles.
As soon as I hear someone calling these electric plug-in cars zero emissions that shows how stupid they are
24:27 electric was more practical as they didn't need to supply their own air as well as liquid fuel to the vehicle (no atmosphere for combustion remember). They also didn't want to leave any emmissions behind or risk contamination of the surface with oil etc, although ironically all 3 lunar rovers remain on the surface of the Moon.
They are Make believe nobody’s ever been to the moon.
They are still in the studio
It is clear to me that the pricing of the electric vehicles is such that only the very wealthiest people in the U.S. can afford to have one.
And they only want the wealthiest to drive.
@@jdsimons6115 YUP!It's all about domination &control.
I call them Limousine Liberals
Buy a 50k tesla or keep your 20 year old corolla. 5 years later the tesla is worth 40k but your Corolla has cost you 10k in repairs and 10 k in fuel. You're down 10k
That is simply not true. Just take out a loan like most car buyers. There are plenty of EVs that don't coast an arm and a leg.
I went from a 2007 prius to a 1988 Honda Civic, I spend about the same round in gas for the same amount of miles. Is is a stick shift and I drive fairly conservatively.
Here in the UK I heard a news item yesterday that said they're gonna start mining for stuff to make batteries on the ocean floor. Some are concerned about the environmental impact of that, in addition to the damage we're all causing now. Will we never learn? Why not drive a car like I have, it's tiny, has a one litre 3 cylinder engine, does 55 mpg, has very low emissions and costs around $16,000 new?
Smart car wife’s got one 0 road tax 60mpg
@@karlfoster8654 Good contender, but how much and how many seats?
But when you need to move something larger than a breadbox who do you call?
@@joecoolioness6399 well not something that runs on batteries, that's for sure.
As a test driver at the GM Desert Proving Grounds, AZ, I was one of the first to test drive the first full electric EV1. It was fun, ran so quitely it even had to have an alarm when operated in reverse and was very comfortable. Rather than being an all purpose vehicle, I considered it more of a 'round town car, not a road trip car due to it's regular charging requirements.
I was more impressed by the hybrid electric/fuel vehicles. My experience with GM's hybrid trucks and other vehicles greatly influenced my purchasing a beautiful pearl colored Toyota Prius. I loved that little car! In my opinion, the Prius was the best car I've ever driven, and fun! Just saying, Hybrids are the best way to go. They charge themselves as they are driven, and can be quickly refueled at your local fueling station. Go hybrids!
We agreed just checked and chevy/gm no longer producting hybrid per online options.
Lexus ES 300 hybrid here, 42-44 MPG, totally agree! No EV baggage for me, thank you very much.
Don’t want one lipstick on a pig doesn’t change anything it’s still a pig you have to plan around charging stations wait two hours phooey don’t follow Brandon down this road guess what when the Russians and the Chinese come for us they won’t be driving ev tanks and flying ev planes just say n
Surprised Scotty doesnt even mention the EV1, it was a milestone and would have brought american cars ahead of the pack, so give the lead to Toyota
I confess that I would not own a foreign car, even if it was assembled in the USA 🇺🇸, note: assembled. But seeing that Toyota is smart enough to see the writing on the wall about ev’s. I may have to reconsider.🤔
For me having both an EV for every day driving and my 4X4 ICE for towing and extended runs would be great. But 2 things hamper my EV ☹decision. 1) EV's are much more expensive to purchase and 2) our local state government has introduced a 2.5 cent per kilometer tax for EV's.
All authorities are going to have to look for replacing fuel tax incomes which will drop radically if EV's become popular. Either new taxes will be introduced (as in your case), or electricity costs at charging stations will go through the roof.
Tell them your odometer was lost in a fishing accident, or it’s none of their business… or stop voting blue.
EVs are actually cheaper, you can get one for anywhere between 100 to 2000 dollars
Scotty missed mentioning the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car". A must see. It's upsetting what happened to an early successful model. Corporate corruption.
Scotty is BASED AF. Love you Scotty
The entire country is becoming more based by the day. Screw the establishment
@@lesterparker1594 With ya
Wth does based mean? I'm really starting to hate these little social "lingo" things that sound so dumb....
@@TheOfficialArthurMorgan it means he doesn’t buy into the establishment propaganda and he sees the world for what it really is
Love the EV concept but I've yet hear where is the power coming from to recharge these millions of EV'S and have everything else powered without shortages or high price increases.!
That’s the catch. Electricity is actually not efficient. As the battery ages, you need to charge it longer to get less out.
Co2 is part of the life cycle. Plants need it. So... why do they want to reduce plants on the planet?
The sun
Haha hoping to just hear the answer? Give it a Google
The same place anything comes from... there's demand, someone makes and sells it.
Just like my house. Solar panels on the roof. $15 a month electric bill that includes charging the car.
Not only is there the cost to "the grid" - there is the cost of extracting materials, building the batteries, and disposal. I love Scotty, but I think he missed an opportunity here to address the true costs. IMHO.
The mike per charge make it where it's not useful. As soon as it gets cold it'll lose 40% of it's range.
You kinda forgot GM's EV1 back in 96. The EV1 was a futuristic looking two seat coupe with the curb weight of a mid size car, due to the heavy lead acid batteries that it employed. It was an albatross by today's standards, little more than a very sophisticated golf cart. But it was the first all electric vehicle introduced by a major American manufacturer in more than half a century.
True, GM made a lot of screw ups when they introduced this car to the mostly Southern California public, but it was introduced as an experimental lease-only vehicle. The lessees were never intended to be owners, but instead Beta testers who paid for the exclusive privilege of driving expensive test vehicles. Problem was that GM was never super clear on that legal point, so many of the Hollywood folks who leased them felt betrayed, despite the fact they never read the fine print of their lease contracts. The EV1 was a dead end road technologically so GM refused to sell the vehicles to the lessees for fear of being sued when the vehicles developed any long term problems. Instead GM destroyed all but a hidden few of them in a blunderous move that did more publicity damage to the company, than selling the problematic cars would have ever done. One thing GM did do right however when developing the EV1 was regenerative braking. Credit must be given to them for that.
Today every brand of electric vehicle on the road, uses regenerative braking.
People are still mad about EV one, ridiculous, GM was the only one producing EVs in substantial numbers then.
My 2013 3 Series BMW has regenerative braking and the original battery is still going strong…
Regenerative braking is a no-brainer for an EV; credit for use could be better given to AMC for their Amitron vehicle in 1967. Innovation and GM don't really go together. They are mimes of the motor vehicle industry. Even being bailed-out by the Fed's (Obama), when they should have gone under, was done by Harley-Davidson before them in the '70's. For me, the Sting Ray, Corvair, and Riviera, all from the early 60's are noteworthy, but a Continental is way cooler than a Cadillac.
Turning every car into electric would never work out for every reason ,, range , lifespan , chargers, electricity for chargers , rare earth elements for batteries ,
And the list goes on for a long time , just can't be done without plenty more planning and infrastructure
I agree, no one seems to be able to think that far ahead.
Except breakthroughs in materials science will allow for 1k+ mile ranges per charge. The electric car game is relatively young compared to the combustion engine (which is well over a century). Never underestimate engineering ingenuity.
Totally agree, we all know there will be advancements but just like the car manufacturers, government regulations and oil industry limit advancements in fuel economy are directly tied to profit margins. As always greed wins out
EV taking over the world, ice going bankrupt, get on the train.
Lifespan? Is 400,000+ miles not enough for you? Range? How much do people really need? Not as much as they think they do. Most people drive less than 30 miles a day. The panic over EVs not being able to travel 500 miles is ridiculous. The criticism over public charging stations is overblown, most charging will be done at home, overnight.
I have owned a Chevy Volt for 9 years and have been very impressed with the car. The car weighs over 4000 lbs and get 40 mpg in mixed city and highway driving. I think this is because the electric motor propels the car and the IC engine only serves to keep the battery charged. I have spent $0 on maintenance other than an oil change once a year and new tires at 60,000 miles. The brakes don't wear and are original. The air drag coefficient is very low but the mpg is outstanding. I do believe that electric vehicles will replace IC vehicles over the next 20-40 years. The only question is where do we get the electric energy to propel them.
We need to start talking about modern nuclear energy…
Holy S***! I get 34 to 38 in mixed driving with my turbo-charged Honda Civic. On the highway it gets up to 42 to 45mpg!! My Honda pure gas car does better than your Volt!
Put Solar on your house with battery storage and never pay another gas or electric bill!
We have a Volt too and have been very pleased with it. About 85% of our driving fits within the 53 mile electric range ($2 for a full recharge on our home charger), so the effective MPG cost with that factored in is a vehicle that gets between 60-80 mpg. We had solar on our previous house, so the driving cost was covered by that during the summer months, and partially in the winter. We are considering installing solar on our current house. I do think the IC engine cars still have a long life ahead of them because electric infrastructure will need decades to expand to everyone's needs. We still have an IC vehicle to tow our tent trailer to the mountains a few times a year.
From fossil fuels.
My daughter goes through so many brake pads that regenerative braking in her ev may approach perpetual motion.
Hi Scotty. How much would it cost to change the batteries in one of these cars? Thank you.
Tesla wants to charge me between 21k to 24k to replace the whole battery for model 3
If you purchase your EV in 2022 and by the time the half-ton battery pack needs replacement I doubt you'll get much back from $US20,000.
Seems like $30K was mentioned in one of his previous videos.
A lot of money
By the time you'd need to change it would cost less to buy another car.
Good job Scotty! You have verified my thoughts regarding battery longevity. I charge my Tesla to 80% and not allow it to drop under 20%. I only charge to full if I am travelling long distance. I have called Tesla to check on battery viability after four months of doing this and they state that my battery is great condition.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 ok message me whem you get above 2 million kilometers ,a local cabdriver have a old w123 that passed that 10 years ago ,now its just a spare cab ,still running fine tho....
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 so you do not plan on replacing brakepads bushings stering componets bearings suspention ect ect And other wear parts ? you will never see Ev as old cars they are not built to last, as is the case with every ice car made in atleast 20 years you see i know abit about this stuff as i build battery packs for home use both from harvested cells and new ,even made packs for a few Ev, and been a mec since the 90 i have cars from the 50 60 80 90 mainly old volvos 444,544 121 and mercedes your ev will not be serviceable for a average tech when they are 60 years old , if they were made simple enough they could be ,but they are not..get alot of miles on it before its 8-10years old keep the cells over 3,20v under 4,19v if your model still run generic 186 cells between 20 and 80% and you will get the most out of your `car`
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 its the cost of batteries and all that lovey china tech that land them in the scrapyard
Did you ask them the cost, to replace one of one of these batteries?
If your 250-mile battery is only used between 20 to 80%, then it's really a 150-mile range EV.
When Lisa Simpson becomes President , there will be levitating cars
Impossible unless aliens give us their ufos
But ferrari never will make flying car
You didn't include the EV1 from General Motors launched around 1996.
Simpson! Simpson! Simpson!
Lisa Simpson 2024
Im guessing anyone living on Michigan's upper peninsula, it gets so cold in winter that ppl have to leave their cars running all night so the batteries dont freeze...and thats regular cars.
Interesting video on the history of electric vehicles. Personally, I prefer to just let consumers buy whatever they want without Govt push. I like my Tundra I paid cash for back in 2014 as a dealer demo for $27k+ttl. I just hit 100k miles. I changed the brake pads and rotors just because…yes, the pads had life at 100k miles. I flushed my trans fluid myself for about $75 out of pocket. I changed my rear diff, and then got wild and flushed all the fluids. I changed the serpentine belt as well…it was brittle. I’ve gone through 3 sets of tires so far, and I’m on my second battery. I might put a AGM starting battery in it just because. The only issue I’ve had was a A/C blower motor, but I changed it myself in 30 min for $110 out of pocket. This went out at about 40k miles. Probably a warranty part, but I didn’t want to waste a day sitting at a dealer. Gas mileage isn’t great, but I live 10 min from work. To each his/her own, but I like my 5.7 Tundra. I hope it lasts me 10 more years at least when I retire early, God willing. Imo, all new vehicles are way overpriced currently, so I’ll just keep driving what I have. It still looks almost brand new anyway. I keep it in my garage every night, and it gets a thorough wash once a week.
If everyone took such good care of their vehicles we would have QUANTUMLY fewer vehicle problems & expenses. Most people to a more or less extent simply ignore auto maintenance that is usually very easy to do yet they gripe like mad once their vehicles break down and blame everyone but themselves.
This is a great example of good mainenance. Good for you JP89. Especially a '14 if it still looks new, that's pretty awesome.
The stuff you did means you have mechanic knowledge. A lot of people would ruin their auto if they tried it.
@@nancysmith2389 Not really. This was all basic stuff a father hands down to his son. This basic knowledge is available on TH-cam though if not learned in that manner.
Good job taking care of that truck. You paid alot of money for it so why not take good care of it? Just makes sense! I keep my old vehicles too rather than just trading them in or selling them. Only problem for me is having enough time to maintain all of them, keep them going and keeping them stored inside out of the weather. Currently own 17 vehicles, oldest is 1941 Ford 1 ton truck.
I need to be able to drive over 500 miles in a day and also have a car sit dormant for 2+weeks at a time. It's always too hot or too cold for the battery in my environment as well . ICE are here to stay. Maybe fuel alternatives though?
Hadn’t they exhausted fuel alternatives? Last I heard, they tried used cooking oil from restaurants and the results were….smelly. 👃🏻
@@spiritmatter1553 hydrogen fuel's potential has not been exhausted.
EVs will never be all things to all people. Fortunately, every year EVs become the best choice for more people. You are slipping into the minority.
nuclear powered. infinite range
As always, a great video chockful of information. But one thing you did not touch on is how we are going to get rid of all the used up dead batteries.
People can't even recycle plastic bags.
my car is 21 years old still original motor gear box with over 300 000 km's on clock I'd like to see any EV match that
And gracefully pollute the air in town where people live, let alone the savings that charging and maintenance of an EV entails
@@joeluciano let me remind you co2 is not a pollutant it is natures fuel the rise in co2 is greening the planet not warming it
I have 18K miles on my 2021 Tesla Y. I've had it for a year and a half now. I have never had to take it to the shop. I beat on it every time I get in it. The tires are still in great shape. It cost me $4 every time I charge it at the house. I generally charge it once a week. Takes about 4 hours to fully charge at home. I've taken several road trips from Vegas to LA/San Diego and Phoenix. It is about $15-20 dollars to super charge the car x3 to 4 charges. For perspective, I use to have a Lexus RX350F which was $60 to fill at $3.50 a gallon. I would generally fill it twice to make the trip there and back.I've heard all the negatives but, the reality is that negatives of oil still out way the negatives of the EV. The batteries are lasting longer and companies like GM are hopefully fixing the battery issue on the Volts. More and more people are getting solar. I have and now my electric bill is on average $15 a month, including charging my car. I see more and more Solar and battery storage these days, phasing out the coal. When we don't have to rely on oil tankers spewing emissions and dumping oil in the ocean to get it to us anymore. That should help. Tesla is working on getting all materials here and there are multiple companies already working on recycling batteries. I personally will never purchase another ICE car ever. They are inferior.
@BEAVIS elPastafarian Totally agree. I see so much bad info. I suggest talking with people who definitely own EVs. These articles are often so biased that it just makes you shake your head. I use to charge the car at night and I can see my bill and I am being charged about $4 per charge. I charge my car maybe twice a week. I have solar now and try to charge the car during the day. My electric bill last month was $15 with charging the car. Still paying $117 for solar though. Once it is paid off though, It's going to be nice. Really cool to not ever have to go to a gas station anymore.
FOOK Tesla 😡🤮😡🤮
@BEAVIS elPastafarian How many lithium mines have to built to service the need of EV's? Destroying the planet to reduce carbon in the atmosphere? No carbon means no plants, no plants means no oxygen. Lithium is a toxic waste and cannot be recycled. When the lithium reaches the end of its life cycle how much of the land will be taken for disposal in such a way that ground water and farmland will NOT be contaminated? Lead acid batteries are recyclable. That electricity you use to charge the EV battery, what is its source? Oil and coal... Good job blowing smoke... You are only looking at the middle of the picture NOT the whole picture. BTW: Most of the content of a internal combustion vehicle is recyclable.
Do any of you EV drivers realize the environment impact you're cars have to make? It's huge!! Do you know where most of the precious metals come from to make them? Cobalt for example mostly comes from the Republic of Congo using child slave labor to mine it and they could care less about polluting nearby rivers in the process. Disposal of the batteries when their life has run out isn't good for the environment either, since they can't be recycled. At the end of the day it's all about what the consumers prefer. If you like EVs, more power to you. If you like ICEs, then so be it.
Look what oil has done. How many wars have been over oil. How many major oil spills have there been. Oil has to be drilled which pollutes, then transported by a pollution vessel, then refined, which pollutes then shipped again by a pollution vessel, then it is finely put into a ICE vehicle to again pollute the air.
How could you forget to mention the GM EV1? It's one of the most pivotal moments in EV history. Plus the reason why GM turfed it is very important.
I don't buy union.
Shouldn't the electric grid be upgraded to handle all this charging? And what kind of electric bill will be the norm of you charge the car everyday??
Yes is needs to be upgraded. My friend save about $450 a month compared to gasoling car. But he can charge at home.
Big task ahead in anyway.
Until enough power plants are built to power all the EV charging stations, until an EV costs the same as a normal gasoline powered car, untlil there are charging stations everywhere with quick 30 min charges, until the EV has a range of at least 500 miles, until the EV is minivan and pickup truck size, until the batteries do not catch on fire, last longer and are cheaply made and ecological. The biggest problem I see is the elimination of all internal combustion powered vehicles along with the tyranical forcing of EVs on the public.
I was in rural Wyoming at a truck stop, a guy there had a flat tire on his Tesla. The truck stop did not have the unique tire and tools to change the tire. The Tesla had to be towed to Denver to change the tire.
Yes… same as with some Mersedes models that have special tires and other highend cars…
When we get normal people EVs… those also will use much more normal tires.
But it can be problem, but rich people can handle those problems.
I find it truly odd that these big brain companies have completely ignored the millions of people who don’t have designated parking at their home meaning they can’t charge these stupid cars.
They aren't marketed for them....
@@StikiFing4z I they are marketed at people who want to help the environment.
@@Manic.miner2077 Until they try to force everyone to have one
@@tupole272 but what use are they if you can’t charge the car at home?
@@Manic.miner2077 They don’t care about that or you. Just the narrative they’re trying to push
50 mile range at 20 mph that far back? Great for locals even back then.
Do all these electric cars and trucks come with fire suppressant units?
I payed $2000 for my 2004 Avalanche, a new Avalanche is $70k, that's a lot of gas.
You are a wise man.
A good reason to keep your vehicle and keep it maintained to last as long as possible. And put your currency in a savings account to help buy a new vehicle when it's time to retire your old vehicle.
And you won't be able to do that anymore once its total electric. Its throw away cars from then on at that point. This means garages closed, parts stores chains gone parts suppliers gone manufacturing what remains gone and it all goes to the corporations. Huge part of the total economy becomes totally centralized including the energy side of it.
The unfortunate truth that the current administration doesn't want you to know is that fossil fuels basically run the entire planet...not just cars, trucks....but the entire food supply, product delivery including the entire supply chain, ships, trains, trucks, aircraft...all run on fossil fuels. Then there are all the hundreds of other machines such as pleasure boats, light aircraft, motorcycles, RVs, off road vehicles, lawn equipment, construction equipment etc. If the government screws up the fossil fuel supply for automobiles and personal trucks, it also screws up the fossil fuel supply for all those other machines that are used to keep the planet running. So it really isn't as simple as just switching to an EV car...which btw...is recharged by electricity produced by coal or natural gas, fossil fuels.
@@northdakotaham1752 you highlighted our dependence on foreign oil....and the fact electrification will put an end to that.. I guess you really hate America or just love Saudi Arbia
I read where new batteries for a tesla cost between $16,000 to $22,500. Certainly doesn't seem like an economical matter.
You can get them repaired for 5k.
Very nice video. But I don't think the energy grid could handle the load at this time
I know from 1996-1999 GM had an electric car. You could not purchase it, only lease it. I knew two people that had one. At the end of the lease GM took them back, even though the people that had them, loved them and wanted to keep their electric cars. After three very successful years, the project was scrapped. The trouble was, some of the board of directors for GM are also on the board of directors for AC Delco and other supporting companies.
With an electric car, you don't need to replace spark plugs, other ignition parts, belts, starter motors ect. This wasn't going to be good for AC Delco, so the electric power car was dropped. Even though they were successful and loved by their owners.
I wish he would have talked about the Buick Electra. Short sighted polititians and Auto CEOs killed that project. Now we are years behind in EV technology. What a shame!
Great vid but you neglected to figure in the electrical generating stations we would have to build. Only this last summer in California they were asking people not to charge EV's and turn off A/c because of electrical shortage. I can't see their EV program can succeed for many years to come.
Sadly....too many Americans are clueless regarding the issues the country already faces concerning electric power generation.
More like it'll take at least 2 decades to beef up the infrastructure and it won't be cheap.
If large scale battery storage solutions become a thing (which probably will once it becomes very profitable to build large ones), we can see a second boom for electric cars and renewable energy. The biggest issue today is we can not store energy that is generated so a lot of them goes to waste, and we have to still use a lot of fossil fuel plants because we need to match demand of electricity in real time or the grid shuts down completely.
@@ladasodaexplains3355 it's currently not possible to store AC voltage so that means millions upon millions of environmentally hazardous batteries used to store DC voltage....then the seriously inefficient conversion to AC voltage when power is needed. Probably cheaper for everyone to own their own personal hydrogen generator and produce their own fuel as needed.
@@ladasodaexplains3355 renewable energy is already here and in widespread use....it's called ethanol and bio-diesel. Fuel grown at home and used at home.
I didn't hear you mention the Saturn EV1. They made 50,leased them to sports figures,movie stars,then,out of the blue, repossessed them,took them to a plant and then had them crushed(supposedly)
Read the book "what happened to the electric car?"
First I've ever heard of Saturn making an electric car. And they must have been really good and that's why they got repossessed and done away with as you say supposedly crushed. That's just totally messed up but that unfortunately is how the world works isn't it or at least here in the us.
The internal combustion engine will never go away.
it already did...
It's gone, good riddance..
Most of my stuff is lithium powered including the house and two bikes.
My reading and methods for durability are as follows.
Do not fully charge unless you are going on a long journey straight away. Never leave it standing fully charged, the battery degrades.
Normally charge to 80 or at most 90% (13.25 -13.3 volt on the 12 volt battery scale or multiply up to match car voltage)
Do not flatten the battery too often. Stop at 10 to 20%.
The nearer you keep to the middle ranges the longer it lasts.
If storing a lithium device, leave it charged in the mid range around 30 to 70%, and check it occasionally.
Frequent charging is ok, just don’t fill it right up and leave it standing.
Occasionally like every few weeks charge it right up, this is called balance charging and keeps all the individual cells at a similar state of charge. Otherwise they become unevenly charged over time.
DG
These devices are quite impressive, although the evidence I’ve read suggests they are not more carbon efficient than internal combustion, unless you only do 10 or 15 mpg. They do break even at some point.
But I wanted my rotary engine that ran on hydrogen!
And why don't I hear anything about lithium as a pollution??
...because most green lobby groups are on lithium.
@@mael-strom9707 That was a GREAT reply! LMFAO!
I wonder EVs will take the Apple Route, once the battery goes, can’t replace it. Gotta get a new car lololol
Because we don’t dump lithium into the air for us to breathe?
This was one of the best videos describing the past and future of the electric and hybrid car. I learned a bunch since you made it interesting and fun enough for me to sit through it all. My sister has a Prius that she has had for 7 years now. Never has given her a lick of trouble. I can see hybrids but pure electric? I think battery technology isn’t ready.
Battery technology is definitely not there yet
Tesla and other fully electric cars are out on the road getting rave reviews by normal drivers like you. It is happening now and it's only getting better. The new high level of competition is driving innovation. The government should help those organizations that have the talent and resources to advance the technology further. Tesla and others already have new battery tech coming soon.
La technologie est prête...par contre, celà pollue plus que l'essence...
I agree BUT carmakers need to go through the teething process so might as well be now, they are making great progress.
@@ricric9521 "rave reviews"? Really? Try not to lie when obviously promoting something you hope will prevail. The batteries won't last ten years and that's ten years (if you're lucky) of misery because your battery life will diminish over the years. Do you not own a smartphone or anything battery powered?
This video is amazing! Thank you for taking the time and doing the research!
Best video of yours and voice in the right tone and loudness ! Great job mate
Surely, the number of miles stated by the manufacturers will depend on the weight being carried e.g., number of passengers, suitcases, weather conditions. This will end up as being a similar debacle as occurred when various car manufacturers claimed over emissions.
same for Ice and EVs
Excellent video! I think the the magic formula is less than $30K to start, 300 mile range and battery top off from depleted in 10 minutes. Then there would be solid competition with ICE cars.
@k martin not likely, especially once the general public start to report that the batteries suck.
@@stevemcgowen It's closer to $42k. Mainly because we like big trucks and SUV's. You can buy a new Toyota Corolla for $21k. The EV's that are only 2wd need to start getting down to the $25k range. I keep hearing how they're going to get cheaper but so far all I've seen are price increases. Tesla raises the price every other week. Way overpriced for what you get.
Robert Frank / I totally agree with you. That's the magic formula.
The Chevrolet Bolt EUV is around that price but the range is around 250 miles on one charge. GM can make an effort to use a little bigger battery and to bring down the price to a $29 999. If it does it, then GM will be the king, and its market stock value will go trough the roof.
As the battery charge, there's a company in Israel, StoreDot, that has already created a battery ( pack ) that can be produced right now which has 5 minutes full charging time.
The minimum 300 miles on one charge is an absolute must.
@k martin a year from now, common sense returns to DC. Build Back Better nightmare, America Last, will be dead.
@@mikel4879 "5 minutes full charging time"? At what point do you become skeptical of something you read, if at all?
Thank Scotty as always you bring the truth to the Table....
I have driven my Toyota since 2016, a 2015 car, and have done NOTHING, but replaced tires ONCE. It didn't take extras that are not FREE other than gas and oil for the last 7 years.
I know little about EVs other than I don't want one.But I'll bet repair costs are exorbitant.
We had some of the first electric vehicles here in England 40s 50s 60s they were called milk floats, and the batteries were replaceable
Wasn’t the GM EV1 the 1st modern electric car in mid 1990s through 2002? What about the conspiracy discussed in the documentary,”Who Killed the Electric Car? The GM EV1 seems to have been criminally surpressed by the oil industry.
In production?
Great documentary
Yes there's a documentary about that situation
I rented an EV to test out by driving across the country I found EV charging stations to be in the bad parts of town where land was cheap. There were no bathroom facilities at these charging stations making it necessary to walk some distance in bad neighborhoods to use a restroom room Owners working at these became very rude because you weren't a customer and rightly so..The weight was a problem when we had a flat tire in the desert The Tesla had no spare tire or jack As the jack needed to jack up that much weight would have been too big to fit in the trunk. We had to wait five hours to have it towed to a service station. At the charging stations, we saw numerous EVs towed in on wreckers Because they didn't have enough charge to make it. And unlike a gas car you couldn't get a can of gas and fill the car up enough to get it to a station. That is my main complaint. If they had a way to carry a small power cell to the car to charge it up enough to get it to a station without paying a wrecker to haul the car or someone to bring a generator I think that would be a game changer, Right now EVs are not safe.
I think that the electric car gained some popularity at the beginning of the 20th century because the roads were not very good and most trips were short. Not having to crank it by hand was a big advantage over gas cars at the time. Also it was quiet and not spouting fumes and noise as compared to the just developing internal combustion engine. Long trips were not in the cards at that time but as the roads were improved the gas cars showed their great advantages and with electric starters coming in it overcame the electrics advantages. Electrics still had advantages for short term use such as delivery vehicles and a golf cart after all is an electric car. The revival of the electric and the hope that they would supplant fossil fuel cars is an idea largely pushed by governments and not really being embraced by the public. It takes much too long to "refuel" an electric compared to a gas car. Hybrids would be a better bet.
Agreed that for now , Hybrids or PHEV's are more practical for people that do long commutes or driving trips. When the infrastructure and technology improves in 5 years lets say than this statement probably wont be true
The electric car was marketed to women that didn't want to bust an arm to prove how tough they were by starting an engine.
They didnt want to smell like gasoline and axle grease
The advantage of gasoline is that you could buy it at any hardware store. Easier to carry extra gas cans than extra batteries.
ICE is just a simpler tech. EVs stagnated because it would take decades of research to make batteries viable, while ICE cars rapidly improved while becoming cheaper. Eventually there was a turning point where the choice became obvious.
Now the flip side is today: ICE has for the most part stagnated while EVs get rapidly better. They're already better than ICE in several departments: the cheapest EV motor is more smooth than the best Rolls Royce. They're silent. They're cheaper to operate. They're much better at acceleration. They produce more torque.
Problems they face now are They're a little more expensive, and charging times... for most people, 300 miles of range is more than plenty. They charge at home every night. The rare occasion they drive more than 300 miles in a day, 25 minutes of charging is not a big deal every 5 hours. And prices are coming down fast.
It's why EV adoption rates are DOUBLING every 2 years. Exponential growth is a key business indicator that this is the future
I think you are correct. I bought a Sonota Hybrid in 2015 and think it is the best of both worlds. It’s quiet, comfortable, economical, reliable, and stylish. What more could you possibly ask from any vehicle?
Same thing with the steam powered cars, they were fine for very short trips but the improving roads killed them off too.
I've been driving a Volt for 7 years now. The problem is the batteries degrade with TIME. Whether you put on 5k miles a year or 25k, the batteries will still degrade with time. In real world use, we are seeing battery failures around the 7-10 year mark, regardless of whether the vehicle had low or very high mileage. The cost for a new battery in a Tesla is ~20k, and a refurbished (used) battery for the Volt is 6-12k. My conclusion is that an EV can be a great car for a high mileage user. I'm putting on 25-30k miles annually. For everyone else, it makes little sense due to the higher capital cost and the battery replacement cost around year 10. Until the batteries have greater longevity or a much lower cost, it's not the right choice for most, and those pushing this tech are ignorant to the realities of battery technology.
@@captinbeyond Thank you, there is way too much emotion injected into the EV debate. In my case, I've always been a tech oriented guy, so part of the decision was to try it out. The other part is since I drive so many miles, I wanted something that I would enjoy driving. At the rate I put on miles, I'll have well over 200k at the 10 year mark, so I'd never get 20 years out of a car. The costs work out for my high usage case, however they won't for most. I also monitor the battery health periodically, to avoid getting stuck with a failing battery.
Besides the limitations of the battery technology, the charging time puts a damper on sales. In order to really make it work, you need a network of stations where you can swap a dead battery for a charged one (and the car needs to be designed to make that easy to do).
@@Ridingrules10000 Tesla looked at that and abandoned it. It's just not feasible from a cost or reliability side, and the battery is several hundred pounds and is liquid cooled. If one can't charge overnight at home, or the range doesn't meet the persons needs, then it's not the car for them.
@@johnoldman5877 yeah. It would require a purpose built loading & handling system. If they are going to bother installing charging stations in remote areas, the extra cost of that part of the system wouldn't be that much more. It would require a redesign of the cars though.
@@captinbeyond Something happened with my prior reply, so I'll try again. Yes, I performed an analysis with several other vehicles prior to purchase. The factors included were scheduled maintenance, fuel, and depreciation. The "repairs" side of the equation clearly works out in the EV's favor unless the traction battery fails. The comparison vehicles were limited to hatchbacks and SUV's, as my needs had changed and I needed more cargo capacity. So no Corolla or anything with a trunk. The last part of my requirements is it had to be from an American company, because America, and it would have to be something I wouldn't mind spending that many miles in. The Volt has performance on par with a sports car, which is what I've mostly owned prior. It's really an enjoyable car to drive. Mine is fully optioned with leather, ACC, and all the technology. I put on 400 miles a week excluding trips. If comparing with an econobox, the econobox will win. However that's not what I wanted for the reasons above.
In this case, there is only one problem, how to produce electricity without burning oil or coal?
UK electricity is less than 5% by coal today... and that's high for us, most of the time there's no coal generation at all. There is no oil generation at all today. It has been established that even if a country's national grid is powered entirely by fossil fuels it produces less carbon using the electricity in EVs than turning it into fuel and burning it in internal combustion vehicle engines.
@@MrAdopado Clean energy can only be obtained from hydro, solar and wind power. Imagine millions of electric cars? Where will the UK get power for electric cars? Let's be honest, replacing "fossil" fuel cars with electric cars is a dream.
How to drive gasoling engine cars without oil… The same argument goes to that direction too… We run out of oil eventually. We have coal more than oil. So that will last longer. But the problem remains…
@@MarianoNappiI simply have solar panels home…. Does that respond to your argumentation?
@@joelucianoThere is not enough material to construct hundreds of millions of car batteries.
Putting electric charging stations in North Dakota is like putting ice machines in Alaska
I just watched Scotty's most excellent video which is titled: "Everything You’ve Heard About Electric Cars is a Lie, Here’s the Truth"; but I'm confused, Scotty just reported much of what is already widely known about EV's .. what is the lie exactly?
Good Question. I think the lie, is the UnderLying Truth...lol
You will freeze to death in the winter that's one truth
Bating you to watch the video
@@joeppg Bating??)
@@ApteraEV2024 should’ve look at your username (UBER?!)
Scotty, the way you break down your videos is amazing. I seriously watch every minute of them. Thank you for these awesome videos.
I would bet it was not made by Scotty
4.8 million subs. thats a nice budget to work with.
No mentioned of Nikola Tesla and his patented technology and he was killed to stop the true evolution of the electric car..
Darrell-- Just remind Scotty who was actually president in 1993...
Actually I don’t like his videos, they are visually scattershot, very annoying, and he just blasts information up there without any time to contemplate what is really going on. This is bad production, I have noticed this consistently from him, definitely have had enough of his goddamn videos.
If all automakers go to electric, is there enough lithium to service all vehicles?
who knows? we need to cull the population anyways
Supply will grow with it
Yes...after strip-mining most of the earth. Direct use of fossil fuel, however, is already more environmentally friendly overall than the generation and currently inefficient use of electric energy.
@@conflagratus that's such a ridiculous statement
@@kairavpatel7137 Mining lithium is only one of many elements, some much more rare, that go into making modern electric cars work. Some simple research will prove my statement's seriousness.