JURT? DIDN'T NAME A CHARACTER?! Wtf that's right about on the level of Jurm writing a functional family. Edit: went to check on the wiki and you are very much correct holy smokes batman
There's a lot to say against this movie, but this specific one is hardly an arguement. There is no reason not to tell the story of a character that gets barely any mention in the appendix. The appendix covers several thousands of years, of course a lot of characters and a lot of deeds will go unnamed and undescribed. That doesn't mean that nothing happened in that time and that noone else did anything.
I really appreciate your pointing out how actual royalty worked in the equivalent medieval era that Tolkien used as inspiration for Middle Earth. Being royalty came with privileges of course, but also came with a TON of responsibilities. And daughters were expected to marry to assure alliances for the greater good of the state, nation, or kingdom. So taking self-obsessed ultra modern sensibilities and dumping them into a girl boss archetype, not only makes zero sense, and in the eyes of her peers, she would be selfish and a little crazy. I think Disney gave us all the impression that being a royal means getting to do whatever you wanted without fear of consequences… probably because some of the *extremely* creatively cruel and sadistic methods of punishment from that era, aren’t welcome in the House of Mouse.
EXACTLY! And her father sacrificed himself so she could be safe and take his place to rule and protect the people but she just gives it to her cousin bc she's a lazy fk
@@juusovuolle8251 a bit of a problem that the writers dug themselves into...by saying that Rohan is so sexist that they would change their history to erase the woman who singlehandedly saved the day after she didn't take the crown, to prop up the next line of Rohirrim Kings...or if the writers could have done the smart thing and had stuck to the story, which clearly they didn't. After all, it doesn't work for "modern" writers to have to show that in traditional kingdoms like Rohan, the crowns go to the next male heir and they did need an excuse to why the crown went to Frealaf and not the unnamed daughter so avoid any "outrage". Instead they prefer just to annoy the fans with their fan fiction.
It’s a very childlike view of men vs women having the woman overpower the man. If you’ve experienced the full strength of even an average man you know this trope is not possible. A dude lifted my 170 pound a$$ off the ground by two feet and held me against a wall and there was nothing I could do about it. My mother always warned me as a child when a woman slapped a man in a tv show “never hit a man. I when he hits you back it could kill you”
The biggest thing when a lot of guys do anything physical with women is most guys show restraint. A guy who actually wants to hurt a woman, even the most average guy out there, can and will do damage.
Yup. Ladies don't hit anyone unless it's absolutely necessary. Never hit a lady is because if a lady hits you, you probably deserve it and it doesn't mean a fight. The crazy women now days aren't Ladies.
@@mrthatguyam Nothing is wrong with it, unless you market it as a "Untold Tale" of Tolkien, to which he never even gave a second thought too. There is plenty of source material to work with, but they had to choose some obscure woman and turn her into a girl boss, because they need to push "The Message". Take the games of Shadow or Mordor/War. They are fanfiction, but the story is written with respect to Tolkien and his material. Not to placate the egos and politics of the writers.
great eagles aren't stupid animals getting tame by girl boss character great eagles are angles,they are messengers of Manwe leader of the Valar (basically archangel)
@@AmirDarkOneYou are right, The eagles in the source material stayed away from men. Even if they had (not saying the main character here is) a fair and gentle woman like Rian, mother of Tuor, the eagles would not harken to her.
@@InesVandehoof He is already spinning so fast he is providing the electricity for this slop to be made. So why not make him spin even faster, eh. Sad.
Because they have no realistic standard for strength. They think that because men can be "skinny strong" means that strength is nothing but imagination or something, so a scrawny little woman can BE JUST AS STRONG AS A 6FT 3FT WIDE GIANT MAN
Every single time I see Hera, all I get is "create your dream AI waifu to do anything you want!" then a pic of .... I dunno. Lola Bunny, but extremely human, and with Hera's exact face. And since everyone here uses youtube, I know everyone has seen the same images. It's like the default naughty-ai face.
In the original story it wasn't eve Hera who killed Wulf, it was Frealaf. I don't mind them giving her a character, she would have gotten one regardless of if she was the lead character or not. Heck she could have still been the focal point, and I wouldn't have complained. They just took too many liberties with her involvement in the events. I don't even mind the "I don't want to marry a man" bit since in the original story, it's obvious she remained unmarried since the line of Helm does end.
agree with you there, wouldn't have been a problem to tell the main story through her eyes, but now they make themselves have a problem by saying this woman did all these great things, even killing Wulf...but then was written out of history for no logical reason, probably so they could blame toxic masculinity or something for why she was "forgotten" and Fealaf or someone down his line, gave Fealaf all the credit.
@@mr.s2005 One thing I will say is that I don't get why people are "Unimportant character" in the story just because she wasn't named. The events of the story of Helm initiated because of Wulf wanting to marry her, meaning she was directly involved in the triggering of the war. That's pretty integral to the story, whether she's named or not. She has as much a role in the original story as her brothers. The only difference is that we know their names, and that they die. Really, the only characters we have any real idea about are Helm, Freca, Frealaf, and maybe Wulf. Hera's a perfectly sensible choice for focal point character. Again, they just made her too involved.
From what I’ve seen this movie is another egregious attempt at rewriting Tolkien’s lore, by inventing a character thats sole purpose is to undermine all the men, girl boss and Mary Sue her way through every problem and situation while stealing valour from actual canonical characters. This is not about an accurate, faithful portrayal of the war of the rohirrim while innocently fleshing out Helms daughter, no it’s about putting men down as incompetent while propping her up as a significant player that has to fix all the men’s shortcomings, while being a capable warrior, rider and strategist. Even if Tolkien took the time to write this character out she would be nothing like this. This is a clear case of Schrödinger’s feminism: The patriarchy is suppressing me because I’m expected to conform to traditional gender roles, but I’m a strong independent girl boss that doesn’t need no man to depend on. This isn’t a faithful adaptation it’s clearly another highjacked setting used to push a message while being thinly veiled as something we can all enjoy, however no true fan can enjoy any level of subversion.
I disagree I don't think nobody was trying to rewritten Tolkien can I take all this crap about men versus women is going too far I think both genders are great why don't people stop worrying about which one is superior I haven't seen the movie but I'm willing to give it a chance because I really don't care about this culture war bull crap
@@animezilla4486"women and men are equal guys, I don't like the culture war give it a chance" 1. Look at the male and female world records for lifting, women are not equal physically 2. If you mean via soul, no one is disagreeing with you stop crying over a spilled empty glass 3. THIS SHOW is trying to make women out to be superior, at the cost of a complete contradiction to Tolkien, even spitting in his face directly (da reason why he skibbed ober da woman is because he sexist, she ackchually did da most) 4. Alteori gave it a chance, that's why we're here. It sucks. Get over it, stop trying to lie like you don't care about the culture war. We can all see you pushing one side. How about you give something better a chance, like the books, or movies.
@@animezilla4486then you clearly don’t understand how much this men vs women mentality is poisoning entertainment media and our society. It may not bother you, but a good majority of people are sick and tired of it, to the point that any amount of female empowerment over men in any media source is a turn off. It’s not a problem if the female character is well written and is legitimately enjoyable, look at characters like Samus, Lara Croft, Ripley, etc. But a female character whose only personality traits are “strong and independent” and is girl bossing in a setting they really shouldn’t be is not good.
@@animezilla4486 Making an unnamed character who had 1/3rd of a sentence worth of dialogue the hero of Helm and his son's story isn't rewriting Tolkien? Even her name is anti Tolkien! Hera is a Hellenistic name. The Rohirrim are Germanic. If they wanted an H name, name her Huldra or Hilde or something. Hell, Huldra would've been a great name considered it is derived from Norwegian (Germanic background) and means ''kept secret'', basically, which is exactly what they're claiming this character was. But no, just name her after the wife of fucking ZEUS from GREEK GODDAMN MYTHOLOGY why don't you... Lmao! What a mockery!
Reminder that the girlboss of the movie is based around 12 words "...and he [Freca] asked the hand of Helm's daughter for his son Wulf." That's it. Twelve words. And they ignored Haleth, who actually was a badass girlboss that was based off the Amazons, for a character with no name, and 12 words about her.
@@mr.s2005 I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take much to get Simon Tolkien to finish selling out his father and grandfather's legacies. Edited: I meant Simon. Wrote it in the middle of the night, so messed up. My bad.
@@annienunyabiz6627 please do some actual research. Christopher is dead and has been the main one standing in the way of stupidity. It’s his son Simon that’s been approving all the BS.
because of course empowering women just CAN'T be done without degrading men, apparently. like the Little Mermaid remake where Ariel kills Ursula as a "girlboss" moment when: a.) she has no fucking LEGS, b.) she'd already saved Eric twice and he was returning the favor, showing their mutual devotion for each other, c.) Eric proving to Triton that not all land people are bad and d.) having Ariel directly murder her aunt. that's basically what hollywood thinks counts as empowerment since they're just checking boxes off a checklist instead of actually caring about the nuances of what they're representing.
@@animezilla4486Because there is no narrative about men magically being better about women. No one is pushing those politics. When people see a show about a guy who is good at everything, unlikeable, and/or a self insert, the WRITER GETS LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM. God forbid that story make it to production, you won't hear anything because NO ONE WILL EVEN LOOK AT IT. And no one is trying to take over "good female lead stories" and change the lore around them to make random men the hero, to contradict the original messages, and spite the "original female fans". Turns out you only hear it one way BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HAPPENING ONE WAY you silly AI
Well Hera didn't even exist. She was an unnamed character. Helm and Frealaf did everything she does in this bastardization of Tolkien, so of course the men were always going to be degraded because otherwise her story couldn't exist.
@@animezilla4486because there isn't an ideological push behind the concept when guy bosses are made. There are bad guy boss characters that exist, but the main gripe for those is just bad writing.
that makes no sense whatsoever you may think this ain't going to be good that doesn't mean the rest of us agree with that especially those like myself who haven't even seen the movie a based on your comment you didn't see the movie you just automatically agree with this TH-camr more power to you when I'm going to watch the movie and judge it for myself
@@animezilla4486 Just for fun, let's make a quick checklist of obvious red flags that screamed out "Failure" Movie made in Modernity? X Female Lead? X Traditionally Masculine Franchise? X Trailer Giving Callbacks? X Se- or Pre-quell to 10 Year Old + Story? X Change of Medium? X Known Source Material Being "Broadened?" X General Sense of Unease Looking at the Trailer? X Feel free to join me in listing whatever made you say this was going to be a disaster.
Honestly, this movie would have been better if they made Helm and Frealaf as central characters, rather than Hera as a PoV. With Helm, the movie can tackle how his actions led to this brutal conflict, him dealing with the loss of his sons and him fighting the besieging dunlending forces at the Hornburg. With Frealaf, the key parts that could be tackled with him are his efforts to gather the scattered Rohirrim forces, his anxiety of not being able to help his uncle and king due to the long winter, his decision to go with a small force to Edoras, his fight with Wulf (which this movie gave to Hera), him driving out the Dunlendings and his coronation. I will never blame the animation studio and Kenji Kamiyama, the director, for this movie's poor performance, along with the cast since they worked on the material that was given to them. The blame goes to the writing staff and marketing. Writing staff, since they're the ones who wrote this adaptation and marketing, particularly for the English version, due to their shoehorning of Hera despite the fact that people are tired of poorly-written girl bosses. The Japanese dubbed trailer is the opposite of the English trailer since it showed a lot more and wasn't so focused on Hera. P.S. - I really liked Hera's design as its been a long time since an attractive redhead was portrayed in western media.
Philippa Boykin said that they were more interested in writing the story of Helm's daughter than Helm, or his sons or his eventual heir. Specifically, it seems, so they could write a character with 21st Century feminist sensibilities into what is an early medieval culture.
Image if Éowyn beat the witch king in a contest of raw strength, and then cast better magic then him, and punched him to death. That would be like Galadriel climbing an ice mountain faster then any man or elf alive and then being the best warrior in the entire eleven army.. oh wait shjit..
She's not falling for the literal embodiment of evil like that OTHER show. It's already 5.5/10, after watching it, it remains a 5.5/10. The animation actually disappointed me the most as it seemed off proportion in some shots. Then I heard there was 60 different studios making this! Oh geez they are desperate. And it was originally two and half hours long.
@@animezilla4486from the wiki production page " By June 2024, the film was two-and-a-half hours long after originally being envisioned as a 90 minute film.[24] More than 60 companies had been brought in to help finish the animation work,[18] and Chou said it was the most difficult project that he and Kamiyama had worked on. He noted that a feature-length, hand-drawn animated film would typically take five to seven years to be completed and attributed the faster production time for The War of the Rohirrim to Kamiyama's unique approach and the involvement of creatives from the live-action films. Animation work for the film was completed by late October.[25]"
@@animezilla4486There is an article in The Wrap from 11 June 2024 discussing how the production was running behind and they brought in more than 60 different studios to speed up production so it could be ready for release.
I swear people don't understand how LOTR work it is not your power fantasy shows or anime where the characters get power up ,and beat the bad guy. Human in LORT are just normal human like in real life the fact the skinny red hair girl can over power a guy twice her size broke my immersion. Why is she even risking her life to fight a war ,my girl you are the freakin princess you have the power to command an army you are not a soldier.
I mean not all humans are the standard human. Aragon is close to 90 during the main book. Very few remain like him though. I do get your point, the vast majority of humans are just simply human.
@@animezilla4486 You're right that there's nothing wrong with fighting when needed. But it's not necessary for her to do so on the battlefield! She is a princess, she has obligations and she must be protected and lead her people. You don't go on the battlefield to fight as a champion on the front lines, you inspire people, you strategize and you fight only when necessary. And you fight smart, not brawling with men twice your size! That's so stupid that makes people role their eyes to the back of their head. I've been to fights and I did martial arts for most of my childhood. And I had female friends that learned with us. When we were younger, 10 to 14, they fought against us normally because they were almost at the same weight category, but, after puberty and when we were 15 to 20, our teacher started teaching the girls how to fight smart and not head on against us. Why? Because most of us had the strength to overpower any of the the girls despite us having been training the same amount of time. It wasn't that the girls could not win, it was that the girls wouldn't win as a girlboss like in the example above. There are techniques you can use to overpower a man, but if you try what was shown in the movie... yeah you're dead. It's not sexism, it's simple biology.
@@randomperson-up5vt Wasn't Aragon a descendant of elf's as well as man? So although he was mostly human the elvish blood would still result with those with his bloodline having longevity in their lifespan.
I understand why there are no songs about Hara, she could not understand she is a royal princess, and needs to do what a royal needs to do... This is going to piss some people of, but we are in the middle-ages in the story, get married off and get some children to secure the line of succession and alliances. and be graceful and charming then lords comes to visit so they will be impressed by you and your hospitality, so you can get some good trade deals and alliances. and then the men is off to war she rules in their stead. Do what is best for your family.
Sadly, this trope of a princess/ woman not wanting to marry anyone and "be free" has spread a lot in modern medieval/ historical media. It always takes people out of the show sense people who these thing know it very inaccurate and been beaten to death everywhere.
@Tony_409 Call me an Alt-Right, Sexist, Homophobic Megatron all they want, but after too many sh!1t like this, I am NEVER trusting something that is sold as "girl boss" or "queer-focused" _EVER_ again! We gave them an inch and they took the whole equator!!!
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right. CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
There is a difference between hate and objective reality. Feminists are living in delusion, therefore anyone who points that out, is a threat to them and has to be branded as heretic.
Theoden: I have left instructions. The people are to follow your rule in my sted. Take up my seat in the golden hall. Long may you defend Edoras. If the battle goes ill. (The kingdom) Eown: What other duty you would have me do my lord? She saying this completely out of duty and no heart. her uncle then replies... Theoden: Duty? No... I would have you smile again. Not grieve for those who's time has come. That's how you show that he had wanted her happiness. That's how you make things right between a father and his children. Not this one dementional "I'm sorry I should have listened to you"
Hera the next month later: WHY IS IT THE MEN WHO GET TO RULE KINGDOM?! THE PATRIARCHY IS SEXIST!?! Her cousin: Bi+×h you gave me the crown! You supported the patriarchy!
@@clatsys2376 well, considering it is a story written by a man, about men , based on vikings, yes yes, lets talk about little weak cry baby woman not being useless..? Are you kidding me? What, did you get too many participation rewards in your life?
@@clatsys2376 girlboss unnamed Mary Sue is in fact useless, cowardly and selfish. There is nothing wrong with you liking head fiction. Go for it. I get it your little ego can not handle the fact this story sucks just like ring of power sucks. That is your problem. The rest of us are free to mock it and her selfish nature.
they did spend 30 million making this movie, guess they figured it was the best chance to get any profit.....which so far, hasn't been working out for them.
Not only was that a bad decision. it's doing so horribly. That a re-release anniversary of Interstellar kicked it out along with Kraven in PLF theaters. Giving it the 70MM IMAX capable theaters and digitals to either Moana 2 or Wicked: Part One. That's how bad it is doing. I agree though, the quality is clearly straight to stream, not a theater release.
IIRC it's a Fox situation where they have to make a theatrical release within a decade of the last one to keep the rights. That's probably why there's that Hunt For Gollum one in the pipeline right after this got its first trailer.
"don't judge a book by it's cover!" "don't judge a movie by the trailer!" well how am I to judge if I want to spend my time on them then if the very things we are meant to use to judge them isn't allowed to be used then!?
You're apparently supposed to (checks notes) "give it a chance" just because. Even though that argument makes no sense, since then we'd be watching every single freakin' movie.
I disagree with you you may take a suck but with the rest of the world that can suck that's the question I hope you do well because this could help bring back to the animation and maybe people need to stop complaining about woke so much
"Hurr you can't judge the movie by the trailer, you gotta watch it first" My brother in Christ, the purpose of the trailer is to CONVINCE you to watch it. You absolutely CAN judge a movie by the trailer, the same way you can judge a book by the cover, by the title, by the SUMMARY. This is why books have fancy covers and creative titles, to get you interested. And Alteori is right, trailers these days are just YT shorts of the entire movie, so yeah, you can absolutely make an assessment based on that. It might not be 100% correct, but it is a perfectly valid assessment. And another important factor, humans are very, very keen on pattern recognition. After some time you get really good at predicting some stuff, to the point people like Alteori can just look at the trailer and infer what's going to happen. So she getting it right before even watching is both a testament to the aforementioned skills, but also some predictability from the people behind this animation, which is to say, Amazon.
Animation is cheaper than pushing a film or TV on live action. The story would've worked, we've seen something similar with Heroic Legend of Arslan but then the movie isn't about Tolkein's work. It's got the name on it but it's not really the man who made the story. It's some pretentious writer thinking they're better than the author he's profiting from.
@@ARStudios2000 Can you blame them? Look at what it did for Cyberpunk2077. That game was almost written off by the gaming community until Edgerunners came out.
@@luiseatoll6368 yeah, I was there. What pissed me off were the ones going "Cyberpunk was always good" when Edgerunners came out like No, no it wasn't, stop with the revisionism.
They took a dude who was central to Rohan’s history and replaced him with a minor character who Tolkien, the perfectionist he usually was, didn’t even name. Of course it sucked. And of course they lazily gave her the most non-Rohan name in the whole thing🤣 Also what is that Dinosaur game that was playing in the background?
When I was in the Army we had a unit combatives competition with a male and female bracket. Once it finished, the top female said she wanted to challenge the top male, but the Sergeants wouldn’t let her. They told her she could challenge any guy outside of the top 5 and if she could win then they would let her challenge any other guy she wanted. She was visibly annoyed, but agreed and chose the 6th ranked guy. Dude had her pinned in less than 10 seconds and she tapped out. The moral of this story: size matters and skinny ass little women can’t beat up grown men. If they could, women would have been the ones fighting wars since time immemorial.
Why do they keep doing this? Why do they undermine the strength of femininity by abandoning it for Masculinity. I am tired of this shit telling us women can out man the men but men can't out woman the women.
What even more offensive they use a work that is based on world war 1 without even thinking the reason why we see only men that fight in LOTR because that is how it works during world war 1. They legit disrespect all the men that died during that war for some girl power fantasy
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right. CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
Nah we've had this kind of bs so many times it doesn't matter that "its just a trailer". We already know what we're gonna get. Often from just a glance too. xD On the plus side, you get to make videos on it!
No we don't know what's going to happen because someone didn't even see the movie now I respect alteori for not liking this movie but I'm not exactly going to agree with her on this until I see the movie from myself because I know I don't follow the crowd especially when it comes to this man versus woman crap
NGL, the idea of "don't judge by the trailer" is strange seeing as that's the entire point of a trailer. Sure they're made in the hopes that you'll judge it positively but it's still judgement nonetheless.
@@animezilla4486So you just have terrible pattern recognition right? That or you are a terrible judge. A trailer is literally a sample of what you ARE going to get. Its to pull you in. You are absolutely meant to judge a movie by it's trailer. 🤨 🥸Yeah sure this thing looks, walks, has the DNA, and quacks like a duck,...but until I SEE the duck for myself, it's not a duck. You need to play in traffic to know for sure why you shouldn't do that too? How about stick a fork in an outlet. Maybe sleep with a street walker unprotected. Oh wait! Without having ever done those things or seeing them you already know better! Pssst! Silly me. Crazy how you don't need a trailer for that, but when a movie gives you one, oh you can't tell. Stop it. 😂
@@animezilla4486Why are you arguing to make something we all agree sucks (Girl boss) against what you say nobody complains about. Either you are pure evil and just want to see the world burn or you just hate men either way you are clearly evil. I hope you find light and love in your life so you can stop this nonsense
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right. CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
9:05 reminds me of aloy, for horizon zero dawn. She wasn’t a bad character, but she wasn’t a good character either. She was so bland, so generically heroic. And weirdly atheistic, since the only thing the focus would have been able to teach her(since the GAIA ai module that held the knowledge was destroyed) was that machines were made by ancient humans. She should have retained some level of spirituality, especially with her father figure being so faithful despite being persecuted by the other members of the tribe… Anywayyyy…
The thing that sucks about this even more is that one of the main themes of LotR is basically cast off all doubt and fear and trepidation; you can't run from your responsibilities, so might as well face them head on. Like, imagine if Aragorn never took up Narsil and was determined to remain a ranger. Or if Sam just decided to die alongside Frodo when he was bitten by Shelob instead of baring the ring himself.
Ah man! I was holding to a sliver of hope that it'd be a little watchable. I was excited to see Helm Hammerhand even though I figured they'd nerf him to prop Hera up.
How do you know the exactly Nerf him anyway I'm going to watch this movie in Georgia for myself because I know for a fact that alteori was never going to like this in the first place I respect her opinions but I'm not going to automatically believe her that the movie is bad
@@animezilla4486 Because the script will demand it. Helm Hammerhand is a legendary figure in the LotR lore. To take his unnamed daughter and give her story a legendary status (The Shieldmaiden) means to not let Helm overshadow her you need to nerf him. I hope you enjoy watching the movie. I didn't need to know you're watching it in Georgia. And I disagree with Alteori from time to time myself. I'm not watching because Me, Myself and I do not like what I've seen so far.
They don't nerf him. You can argue he's somewhat sidelined but not nerfed. This movie is getting dragged in stupid culture war bs but this character is genuinely not all that more or less woke than eowyn. What ultimately fucks it up, seems to be warner and the fact that the film basically builds to her dying at the end, thus explaining why helms line ended and why she was forgotten. But then she just kinda shrugs off what was a mortal wound moment and then just gives up the kingdom she fought to protect to run away seeking rings with Gandalf cause he's here to talk to her about the Aven---Sauron initiative or sth. Warner just want to turn this into Marvel slop.
Her father is supposed to be the main character of this war. Helms deep was named after him. He also was supposed to die from killing countless enemies with his bare fists until one day he just mysteriously died. No one knows what exactly killed him.
Disagree with you the fact that you're comparing is to rings of power is already the wrong direction everybody even the fans agree this is way better than that garbage
Lol sorry. I'm pmsing so hard right now and my puppy is not feeling well so I was in a more salty mood 😅 Still meant what I said about the film though. Let me know what you think when you watch it
If they seriously wanted to expand on the lore and introduce a new character to promote more female characters, then they could have done so without taking away from Helm's part that Tolkien wrote about and have an actual arc for Hera. I even did a rewrite summary of how I would have done Hera's character, by having her start off dreaming of becoming a warrior and having no desire to raise a family, even training behind her father's back until he discovers what she is doing but allows her to continue in order to defend herself if necessary and to teach her himself (as a way to spend more time with her). But he also warns her that war is nothing like the tales she has read, that it's unforgiving, brutal, and scary. Even going on to reveal that he had dreams himself, with no desire to raise a family, until duty pushed him to become King and take on a wife to raise a family, declaring that she and her brothers became a far better purpose in life that extended past any dream he had. While she doesn't understand, he promises that she will one day. By the end of the story, Helm dies to save his daughter, and she realizes how right he was about the reality of war, traumatizing her but forcing her to be strong for her brothers and her people. And years after the war, Hera marries and gives birth to her first child, fully coming to realize what her father was talking about and vows to dedicate her life to raising a family of her own, like her father and mother did. While not perfect of a rewrite, it's honestly the way I would have gone about Hera's character and her arc in the movie.
The whole movie is complete horse manure. Tolkien's canon Haleth, Helm's oldest son died defending in Edoras, last standing defending the King's hall against Wulf, son of Frecca. Helm and his youngest son Hecca died at Helm's Deep under siege by the Dunlendings. IT was Fréaláf Hildeson, Helm's nephew who killed Wulf and restored Rohan. If they were going to put a name and larger role to Helm's unnamed daughter, then the LEAST they could have done was keep the REST of the story right!
If you ever read the books it was Frealaf who fought Wulf and killed him in combat and this is just great now they made him “man taking credit for woman’s work.”
Glad I'm not the only one who rooted for Wulf based off the trailer 😂😂 Gimme that gritty grouchy male protagonist who secretly has a heart of gold and is virtuous, but embittered by life. ❤ (saying this as a woman, I love those dudes, I see myself more in them than girlbosses idk)
There are so many ways to have "strong" female characters without overshadowing or undermining other characters. Now I put strong in "" because so often that word is taken literally when a lot of strong characters are not ACTUALLY strong in a physical sense. Some strong female characters are those that stay by their family, or loved ones who have strong moral sense to protect the children and weak. Yes a wife who sees her warrior husband off as he goes off to battle is a strong woman. There are strong female characters who help heal some wound on the main character, whether that is physical or mental. There are mentors that help guide someone away from a mistake. Of course there are also literal strong women in fantasy but in a world like Tolkien where the fantasy is closer tied to reality, there is more of a limit to that. Hell look at any Anime, plenty of strong women over there but very rarely overshadow other characters (exemptions to every rule as sometimes you want another character to overshadow another so that X character can use that to grow stronger). They're given their time to shine as well as the men, you can't play favourites in a story. Eowyn is one people like to tout around as a strong woman which she is... but people seem to think that's her story over. No her arc doesn't end there with her being a badass warrior but realising that she would rather become a healer than be a shieldmaiden. That single battle changed her, because that's what life and death situations do to people. Talk to any solider whose been through battlefields, after seeing their friends or companions die around them or getting heavily wounded. You realise that you want to live. She also needed help in beating the witch king if Merry hadn't helped she could have died.
Yeah, I'm betting every girl will be able to win against Alucard. The godsdamn son of Dracula and possible strongest character in the franchise. The Belmont is already a Gary Stu and boring as all hell, the rest won't be better
for me the series ended when they killed dracula . the other girlboss vampires are cringe . the only reason to keep watching the series is isaac and alucard .
I feel like Hollywood doesn't understand what makes a strong female character type. Sooo many times, I 've seen women have to act masculine or they degrade men by acting as if in some way they are superior to men. That or they can't ever show vulnerability or weakness, cant desire love from a man, cant follow rules, or do anything that would make sense in the setting/time of the world. It's just Mary Sue women who don't really do anything that they 've EARNED from people to fawn over. Its more just plot armor or the writers demand it. There are sooo few Western stories today that actually does a very well written strong female character.
I agree with you 1000%, the thing I don't like is that a lot of people nowadays rather generalize the role of a princess and a queen back in the days of Spears bows and arrows. Those daughters of Kings understand and will raise to understand as well as other assets that they're making a sacrifice for the greater good of their Kingdom. The father didn't see them as nothing more than a chair given to some stranger he's giving his child to another person, a child that they saw born and helped raise in a sense. The daughters understand by marrying the prince of another Nation she's ensuring a long-lived Ally to her kingdom so in other words she sacrifices her happiness for the greater good. And keep in mind for anyone says something dumb just like the king the women had men on the side. They're even moments where the king will allow a child he knows it's not his to be raised under his kingdom because he wants a son to pass on the air with thrown. If you need an example that's closest to the back in the day game of thrones.
In current day, the triumph of this film was that there wasn’t some random racial anomaly forced in, and that the lead was allowed to have red hair (most likely in an attempt to make her stand out, but still!). It’s definitely a product of its time, and, as history will undoubtedly reflect, that’s not a good thing.
The tagline for the movie was, “Tolkien didn’t give her a chance, we gave her a movie.” Yeah… he also didn’t even give her a name. She was mentioned as the daughter of a king and then never again. She was so irrelevant to LotR that Tolkien mentioned her as the offspring of a king who DID actually matter. It’s like making a movie about, “woman in background in cafe.” She wasn’t relevant then, she isn’t relevant now.
I love how narrow minded the writers of this movie are, in the fact that they think audiences will reflect and sympathize with a character who, because of her won selfishness, caused the deaths of every other character in the movie.
These modern writers for a modern audience simply don't know how to build a character, so they have permanently to tell you how awesome stunning and brave she is because they can't show you.
"but daaaaaad I dun wanna wooooooork >~< farming is such a stereotypically feminine jooooob, can i be a soldier" "ok, you asked for it" hard cut to her getting destroyed in battle because arrows that block out the sun dont care how girlboss you are
I'm sad it went this way. I wouldn't have minded a more fully fleshed out character that played an important role at all. But this really did make her the main focus sidelining the original protagonists Haleth, Hama, Fréaláf with all the cliché and unrealistic feminist girl boss tropes. Its not a Tolkien adaptation, its a work of fan fiction and shouldn't be branded as by Tolkien. And at the end she leaves her people to ride off with Philippa, er I mean the older shield maiden, to do what with her life anyway? Fight guys and in reality likely be dead in a few weeks and have the bloodline of her family die out? I mean if that was really preferable to her than it surely is a life choice she can make. But are we supposed to buy its ultimately a more meaningful or fulfilling one for most than becoming a wife and mother with all the responsibilities and sacrifices but also love, joy, and rewards and legacy that encompasses? I used to call myself a feminist too but it's not something I identify with anymore. For me it was about equality under the law and equality of opportunities (not that people had to hire you even if you arent the best suited to have an equal number of men/women but that all can apply and if they are the best candidate not be denied just based on sex). Some of the stuff now is just way too out there and I think the main thing its empowering is a generation of future lonely cat ladies. I've done both career and family. Sure my husband can be a pill, my kids can sometimes be bratty, it can be tiresome. But even though I went into a field I studied for and found my job rewarding it doesnt touch the meaning my family has given me. My bosses and colleagues were also capable of being tiresome pills and anything you have to do everyday becomes a chore. And like 99% of us likely almost no one will remember, care, or appreciate any of it a year after I'm retired. But my husband laying next me, the memories of holding my children, watching them grow beats all. Sure sometimes love doesnt last and the kids may leave and then see them seldom but life is full of trials regardless and really isnt meant to always be easy. I'm lucky my husband is a man who really wanted to embrace the roles of husband and father and I feel fortunate to think I'll have him by my side to share our later years. None of this is to say if relationships really aren't your bag, or you really dont like kids, or your significant other is a different picture than my more traditional one, that's not fine. Your path is your own. Just to say the feminist messaging traditional roles are somehow inferior or less empowering is one I hope people take with a grain of salt. Especially young people starting out and wondering what paths to take.
“Don’t judge the trailer. You haven’t seen the movie yet!” That’s the ENTIRE POINT of the trailer. Its whole job is to present the movie in a way that will entice you to actually watch it. If what the trailer presents doesn’t interest you, or worse, reveals things that you don’t care for, you can’t blame someone for not wanting to watch the movie😂
hot take but I think they should’ve never been more Lord of the Rings projects after the original trilogy was done like Return of the king should’ve been the end of the universe
Tolkien is probably creating electricity by spinning in his grave so fast. Wtf was even that. I´m so fed up with medieval setting noblemen´s daughters just taking a "fuck this, I wanna no responsibilities, only privileges, and of course need no man" stance. It is so awful, so off-putting. Apparently that character wasn´t even remotely important in the original works too. Why does this shit even exist.
Okay, I have to correct you on a few points: First, as many have pointed out, Helm dies in the text, so killing him was mandatory. Second: Saruman does appear at the end of the story. It's not just fan service.
Now, great animation aside (this is 4:30 in so if you point this out, that's cool): I do have to point out that in these clips, this main character is the only one with any sort of color about her. Everyone else, especially the men, seems to have gray in their complexion, which is not only reminiscent of orcs, but of death. Giving her red hair only made it more obvious. Literally having to make your character stand out to "stand out"? Ew. Edit: ok, a few minutes later, I'm noticing most things seem to have an overlay of gray in this movie, which is just kind of annoying to me, animation-wise (or game-wise...but games are animated, too). Painting the entirety of the screen in one color to convey emotion and gravitas works maybe once per movie. Further edit: if what you're going for is a more drab, realistic setting, why make the main character have Disney-red hair? I have yet to see a natural red head with that shade of color. (Had a rando in a bar ask me if it was natural when it was at least three shades browner and he was uninterested when I said 'no')
a cutscene in shadow of war involving a flashback of helm hammerhand and his daughter was a more compelling and interesting story than this movie and the cutscene was 40 seconds long
I liked the movie. i didn't like how the brothers died though, like they died in dumb ways and treated as a random soldier in the background with different hair to stand out
Got to see it for free cuz I work at a theater and I still feel ripped off. Wasted 3 hours of my life. And yes, it is not doing well from what I've seen from ticket purchases.
My best advice is everyone save their money for nosferatu if you’re looking for a movie to watch or in general genuinely hype for the movie. I haven’t seen it but it’s getting stellar reviews which granted the movie could still be bad but I obviously rather watch that film then this one, Kraven, Y2K, The new lion king movie, Moana 2 and definitely Wicked
The main reason why this was made is so Warner Brothers can hold on to the IP rights. That's why all these studios put out some crap every decade or so, when the public is like _why are you making this? Nobody's been asking for this._
Daily reminder that Helm's daughter played such a miniscule role in the actual events that Tolkien didn't even bother giving her a name.
She didn't even get a full sentence. Her entire appearance was about a third of one sentence.
JURT? DIDN'T NAME A CHARACTER?! Wtf that's right about on the level of Jurm writing a functional family.
Edit: went to check on the wiki and you are very much correct holy smokes batman
@annienunyabiz6627
Basically, someone asks to marry his daughter.
There's a lot to say against this movie, but this specific one is hardly an arguement. There is no reason not to tell the story of a character that gets barely any mention in the appendix. The appendix covers several thousands of years, of course a lot of characters and a lot of deeds will go unnamed and undescribed. That doesn't mean that nothing happened in that time and that noone else did anything.
@@Lothirilat least dont give her a greek name. They didnt even try find something good, they just... Helm... Hera... That it
I really appreciate your pointing out how actual royalty worked in the equivalent medieval era that Tolkien used as inspiration for Middle Earth. Being royalty came with privileges of course, but also came with a TON of responsibilities. And daughters were expected to marry to assure alliances for the greater good of the state, nation, or kingdom. So taking self-obsessed ultra modern sensibilities and dumping them into a girl boss archetype, not only makes zero sense, and in the eyes of her peers, she would be selfish and a little crazy. I think Disney gave us all the impression that being a royal means getting to do whatever you wanted without fear of consequences… probably because some of the *extremely* creatively cruel and sadistic methods of punishment from that era, aren’t welcome in the House of Mouse.
EXACTLY! And her father sacrificed himself so she could be safe and take his place to rule and protect the people but she just gives it to her cousin bc she's a lazy fk
@@Alteori well if they made her the king theoden wouldn't be able to take the crown 150 years later. so that would have been pretty insane change.
@@juusovuolle8251 a bit of a problem that the writers dug themselves into...by saying that Rohan is so sexist that they would change their history to erase the woman who singlehandedly saved the day after she didn't take the crown, to prop up the next line of Rohirrim Kings...or if the writers could have done the smart thing and had stuck to the story, which clearly they didn't. After all, it doesn't work for "modern" writers to have to show that in traditional kingdoms like Rohan, the crowns go to the next male heir and they did need an excuse to why the crown went to Frealaf and not the unnamed daughter so avoid any "outrage". Instead they prefer just to annoy the fans with their fan fiction.
@@Alteoridoes that make her a bad person or something ?
@@animezilla4486Makes her lazy. Is being lazy bad?
It’s a very childlike view of men vs women having the woman overpower the man. If you’ve experienced the full strength of even an average man you know this trope is not possible. A dude lifted my 170 pound a$$ off the ground by two feet and held me against a wall and there was nothing I could do about it. My mother always warned me as a child when a woman slapped a man in a tv show “never hit a man. I when he hits you back it could kill you”
Yep, that trope is only possible if superhuman strength is involved or something along those lines.
The biggest thing when a lot of guys do anything physical with women is most guys show restraint. A guy who actually wants to hurt a woman, even the most average guy out there, can and will do damage.
That last point indeed, not every man is chivalrous. There are men who would not hesitate to hit a woman. Your mother was very wise.
Man versus woman is kind of stupid in my opinion because they give me some different circumstances when it comes to that topic
Yup. Ladies don't hit anyone unless it's absolutely necessary. Never hit a lady is because if a lady hits you, you probably deserve it and it doesn't mean a fight. The crazy women now days aren't Ladies.
Ppl need to stop saying "don't judge it by the trailer because you haven't seen it". Trailers are made for consumers to judge if it's worthy.
The problem is that Hollywood is so terrible at making trailers nowadays that we can't even guess about some films.
I just want new studios to rise and let all this old garbage die off already.
yep. trailers suppose to hook people's interest to come and watch, or at least find more info about the movies
yep the trailers are the ads.
I have seen trailers look good and films turn out shit, but I sure as hell don't remember a shit trailer for a film that was actually good...
The worst part is that this isn't even Tolkien, This girl has one line about her in the whole book series. This is pure fan fiction.
Heheh this wasn't made by Tolkien's fans, but by a n t i w h i t e s who are busy going after every intellectual property they can to wreck.
Also, it was Frealaf who slew Wulf. ''Hera'' isn't even named. And if she was named, it'd be a Germanic name, not a Hellenistic one.
What is wrong with that?
@@mrthatguyam Nothing is wrong with it, unless you market it as a "Untold Tale" of Tolkien, to which he never even gave a second thought too. There is plenty of source material to work with, but they had to choose some obscure woman and turn her into a girl boss, because they need to push "The Message".
Take the games of Shadow or Mordor/War. They are fanfiction, but the story is written with respect to Tolkien and his material. Not to placate the egos and politics of the writers.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Hera, is Greek...oof they were way off
Wait wait wait wait! The fucking eagles are friend with that lady!? That’s not how that works!
Yeah she asked one for help and it did lol
great eagles aren't stupid animals getting tame by girl boss character
great eagles are angles,they are messengers of Manwe leader of the Valar (basically archangel)
Tolkien would be rolling in his grave
@@AmirDarkOneYou are right, The eagles in the source material stayed away from men. Even if they had (not saying the main character here is) a fair and gentle woman like Rian, mother of Tuor, the eagles would not harken to her.
@@InesVandehoof He is already spinning so fast he is providing the electricity for this slop to be made. So why not make him spin even faster, eh.
Sad.
Everyone is tired of this "girl boss" narrative
Not with arcane
@@tmmnago2722then Hollywood writers need to look at arcane for a example on how to do a girl boss because you’re 1000% right
GREAT AITEORI SKIP LORD OF RINGS ANIMATION MOVIE NOT FOR ME.
@@tmmnago2722especially with arcane
I think we were tired of it the very first time they did it...
I'm surprised Hera doesn't look masculine with arms the size of Dolph Lundgren's in his prime.
😂😂😂 yeah all the characters are pretty so there is that
She was gorgeous! The Hera hate must flow apparently. Yeah she was badass, but I liked her! Sue me haha
Because they have no realistic standard for strength. They think that because men can be "skinny strong" means that strength is nothing but imagination or something, so a scrawny little woman can BE JUST AS STRONG AS A 6FT 3FT WIDE GIANT MAN
And now I'm thinking about he-man.
Every single time I see Hera, all I get is "create your dream AI waifu to do anything you want!" then a pic of .... I dunno. Lola Bunny, but extremely human, and with Hera's exact face. And since everyone here uses youtube, I know everyone has seen the same images.
It's like the default naughty-ai face.
Are all tv shows just destined to suck now days?
Yeah except for Landman, From, Severance, Silo, House of the Dragon etc. Unless they ruin those too. Game of Thrones was great until the last season
@@Alteoriyou still got to watch The Legend of Vox Machina and give Star Trek Lower Decks a second chance
@@AlteoriThe penguin, Arcane & Fallout as well
@@Alteoriif you haven’t already you should watch fallout :)
@@Alteori Excited for Severance s2. Fingers crossed, hope they don't fumble it like HotD did.
In the actual lore, Frealaf k*lls Wulf and avenges his uncle and cousins before taking back the throne. Sigh...
Frealaf is a white man. A heterosexual one, at that. No can do in 2024.
*kills
In the original story it wasn't eve Hera who killed Wulf, it was Frealaf. I don't mind them giving her a character, she would have gotten one regardless of if she was the lead character or not. Heck she could have still been the focal point, and I wouldn't have complained. They just took too many liberties with her involvement in the events.
I don't even mind the "I don't want to marry a man" bit since in the original story, it's obvious she remained unmarried since the line of Helm does end.
agree with you there, wouldn't have been a problem to tell the main story through her eyes, but now they make themselves have a problem by saying this woman did all these great things, even killing Wulf...but then was written out of history for no logical reason, probably so they could blame toxic masculinity or something for why she was "forgotten" and Fealaf or someone down his line, gave Fealaf all the credit.
@@mr.s2005 One thing I will say is that I don't get why people are "Unimportant character" in the story just because she wasn't named. The events of the story of Helm initiated because of Wulf wanting to marry her, meaning she was directly involved in the triggering of the war. That's pretty integral to the story, whether she's named or not.
She has as much a role in the original story as her brothers. The only difference is that we know their names, and that they die. Really, the only characters we have any real idea about are Helm, Freca, Frealaf, and maybe Wulf. Hera's a perfectly sensible choice for focal point character. Again, they just made her too involved.
I knew once Christopher died nothing good will ever come out of these projects again.
Christopher was never involved in any films or series placed in Middle-earth, so that has nothing to do with his death.
@@Lothiril He was absolutely involved in gatekeeping the legacy from being destroyed by philistines
the only good thing about bad movies is I get more fluffy ear err I mean alteori content.
From what I’ve seen this movie is another egregious attempt at rewriting Tolkien’s lore, by inventing a character thats sole purpose is to undermine all the men, girl boss and Mary Sue her way through every problem and situation while stealing valour from actual canonical characters. This is not about an accurate, faithful portrayal of the war of the rohirrim while innocently fleshing out Helms daughter, no it’s about putting men down as incompetent while propping her up as a significant player that has to fix all the men’s shortcomings, while being a capable warrior, rider and strategist. Even if Tolkien took the time to write this character out she would be nothing like this. This is a clear case of Schrödinger’s feminism: The patriarchy is suppressing me because I’m expected to conform to traditional gender roles, but I’m a strong independent girl boss that doesn’t need no man to depend on. This isn’t a faithful adaptation it’s clearly another highjacked setting used to push a message while being thinly veiled as something we can all enjoy, however no true fan can enjoy any level of subversion.
I disagree I don't think nobody was trying to rewritten Tolkien can I take all this crap about men versus women is going too far I think both genders are great why don't people stop worrying about which one is superior I haven't seen the movie but I'm willing to give it a chance because I really don't care about this culture war bull crap
@@animezilla4486"women and men are equal guys, I don't like the culture war give it a chance"
1. Look at the male and female world records for lifting, women are not equal physically
2. If you mean via soul, no one is disagreeing with you stop crying over a spilled empty glass
3. THIS SHOW is trying to make women out to be superior, at the cost of a complete contradiction to Tolkien, even spitting in his face directly (da reason why he skibbed ober da woman is because he sexist, she ackchually did da most)
4. Alteori gave it a chance, that's why we're here. It sucks. Get over it, stop trying to lie like you don't care about the culture war. We can all see you pushing one side. How about you give something better a chance, like the books, or movies.
@@animezilla4486then you clearly don’t understand how much this men vs women mentality is poisoning entertainment media and our society. It may not bother you, but a good majority of people are sick and tired of it, to the point that any amount of female empowerment over men in any media source is a turn off. It’s not a problem if the female character is well written and is legitimately enjoyable, look at characters like Samus, Lara Croft, Ripley, etc. But a female character whose only personality traits are “strong and independent” and is girl bossing in a setting they really shouldn’t be is not good.
@animezilla4486 are you blind ?
@@animezilla4486 Making an unnamed character who had 1/3rd of a sentence worth of dialogue the hero of Helm and his son's story isn't rewriting Tolkien? Even her name is anti Tolkien! Hera is a Hellenistic name. The Rohirrim are Germanic. If they wanted an H name, name her Huldra or Hilde or something. Hell, Huldra would've been a great name considered it is derived from Norwegian (Germanic background) and means ''kept secret'', basically, which is exactly what they're claiming this character was. But no, just name her after the wife of fucking ZEUS from GREEK GODDAMN MYTHOLOGY why don't you... Lmao! What a mockery!
Reminder that the girlboss of the movie is based around 12 words "...and he [Freca] asked the hand of Helm's daughter for his son Wulf." That's it. Twelve words. And they ignored Haleth, who actually was a badass girlboss that was based off the Amazons, for a character with no name, and 12 words about her.
well, technically that was in the Silmarrion, which the Tolkien estate is flat out refusing to let anybody touch.
@@mr.s2005 I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take much to get Simon Tolkien to finish selling out his father and grandfather's legacies.
Edited: I meant Simon. Wrote it in the middle of the night, so messed up. My bad.
@@annienunyabiz6627 Christopher Tolkien is dead, who zealously guarded his father legacy. It's Simon Tolkien who you're thinking off.
@@mr.s2005Good. Competence is regarded as anathema in Hollywood.
@@annienunyabiz6627 please do some actual research. Christopher is dead and has been the main one standing in the way of stupidity. It’s his son Simon that’s been approving all the BS.
because of course empowering women just CAN'T be done without degrading men, apparently.
like the Little Mermaid remake where Ariel kills Ursula as a "girlboss" moment when: a.) she has no fucking LEGS, b.) she'd already saved Eric twice and he was returning the favor, showing their mutual devotion for each other, c.) Eric proving to Triton that not all land people are bad and d.) having Ariel directly murder her aunt.
that's basically what hollywood thinks counts as empowerment since they're just checking boxes off a checklist instead of actually caring about the nuances of what they're representing.
What's funny is that I have to keep hearing about girl bosses but I don't hear anything about guy bosses
@@animezilla4486Because there is no narrative about men magically being better about women. No one is pushing those politics. When people see a show about a guy who is good at everything, unlikeable, and/or a self insert, the WRITER GETS LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM. God forbid that story make it to production, you won't hear anything because NO ONE WILL EVEN LOOK AT IT. And no one is trying to take over "good female lead stories" and change the lore around them to make random men the hero, to contradict the original messages, and spite the "original female fans".
Turns out you only hear it one way BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HAPPENING ONE WAY you silly AI
@@animezilla4486because you’re an idiot and don’t really care about anything but sucking off corporations and supporting DEI?
Well Hera didn't even exist. She was an unnamed character. Helm and Frealaf did everything she does in this bastardization of Tolkien, so of course the men were always going to be degraded because otherwise her story couldn't exist.
@@animezilla4486because there isn't an ideological push behind the concept when guy bosses are made.
There are bad guy boss characters that exist, but the main gripe for those is just bad writing.
Let's be real we all knew there wasn't a chance this was going to be very good.
that makes no sense whatsoever you may think this ain't going to be good that doesn't mean the rest of us agree with that especially those like myself who haven't even seen the movie a based on your comment you didn't see the movie you just automatically agree with this TH-camr more power to you when I'm going to watch the movie and judge it for myself
@@animezilla4486 Quit yapping ObsidianFallen is right.
@@animezilla4486 k❤❤
@@animezilla4486 Just for fun, let's make a quick checklist of obvious red flags that screamed out "Failure"
Movie made in Modernity? X
Female Lead? X
Traditionally Masculine Franchise? X
Trailer Giving Callbacks? X
Se- or Pre-quell to 10 Year Old + Story? X
Change of Medium? X
Known Source Material Being "Broadened?" X
General Sense of Unease Looking at the Trailer? X
Feel free to join me in listing whatever made you say this was going to be a disaster.
I was so bummed because I wanted to take my cousin to this movie but it’s not even close to what Lotr is
Honestly, this movie would have been better if they made Helm and Frealaf as central characters, rather than Hera as a PoV. With Helm, the movie can tackle how his actions led to this brutal conflict, him dealing with the loss of his sons and him fighting the besieging dunlending forces at the Hornburg. With Frealaf, the key parts that could be tackled with him are his efforts to gather the scattered Rohirrim forces, his anxiety of not being able to help his uncle and king due to the long winter, his decision to go with a small force to Edoras, his fight with Wulf (which this movie gave to Hera), him driving out the Dunlendings and his coronation.
I will never blame the animation studio and Kenji Kamiyama, the director, for this movie's poor performance, along with the cast since they worked on the material that was given to them. The blame goes to the writing staff and marketing. Writing staff, since they're the ones who wrote this adaptation and marketing, particularly for the English version, due to their shoehorning of Hera despite the fact that people are tired of poorly-written girl bosses. The Japanese dubbed trailer is the opposite of the English trailer since it showed a lot more and wasn't so focused on Hera.
P.S. - I really liked Hera's design as its been a long time since an attractive redhead was portrayed in western media.
Philippa Boykin said that they were more interested in writing the story of Helm's daughter than Helm, or his sons or his eventual heir. Specifically, it seems, so they could write a character with 21st Century feminist sensibilities into what is an early medieval culture.
Image if Éowyn beat the witch king in a contest of raw strength, and then cast better magic then him, and punched him to death. That would be like Galadriel climbing an ice mountain faster then any man or elf alive and then being the best warrior in the entire eleven army.. oh wait shjit..
That sounds so familiar lol
Éowyn: "Kaio Ken attack! Times Three!!"
Eowyn is the perfect example of a good strong female character. If only Hollywood would remember that.
She's not falling for the literal embodiment of evil like that OTHER show. It's already 5.5/10, after watching it, it remains a 5.5/10. The animation actually disappointed me the most as it seemed off proportion in some shots. Then I heard there was 60 different studios making this! Oh geez they are desperate. And it was originally two and half hours long.
Funny enough I actually liked the animation but I also watched it in almost double speed so that might explain it lol
@@Alteoritake the opening shot of her riding to the eagles for example the CG camera wasnt tracking correctly with the 2D
I think the animation is very solid there is no way 60 studios work on it that's just impossible
@@animezilla4486from the wiki production page "
By June 2024, the film was two-and-a-half hours long after originally being envisioned as a 90 minute film.[24] More than 60 companies had been brought in to help finish the animation work,[18] and Chou said it was the most difficult project that he and Kamiyama had worked on. He noted that a feature-length, hand-drawn animated film would typically take five to seven years to be completed and attributed the faster production time for The War of the Rohirrim to Kamiyama's unique approach and the involvement of creatives from the live-action films. Animation work for the film was completed by late October.[25]"
@@animezilla4486There is an article in The Wrap from 11 June 2024 discussing how the production was running behind and they brought in more than 60 different studios to speed up production so it could be ready for release.
Mary Sue
I swear people don't understand how LOTR work it is not your power fantasy shows or anime where the characters get power up ,and beat the bad guy. Human in LORT are just normal human like in real life the fact the skinny red hair girl can over power a guy twice her size broke my immersion. Why is she even risking her life to fight a war ,my girl you are the freakin princess you have the power to command an army you are not a soldier.
I mean not all humans are the standard human. Aragon is close to 90 during the main book. Very few remain like him though. I do get your point, the vast majority of humans are just simply human.
There's nothing wrong with her getting her hands dirty or getting involved to fight for citizens
@@animezilla4486 You're right that there's nothing wrong with fighting when needed. But it's not necessary for her to do so on the battlefield!
She is a princess, she has obligations and she must be protected and lead her people. You don't go on the battlefield to fight as a champion on the front lines, you inspire people, you strategize and you fight only when necessary. And you fight smart, not brawling with men twice your size! That's so stupid that makes people role their eyes to the back of their head. I've been to fights and I did martial arts for most of my childhood. And I had female friends that learned with us. When we were younger, 10 to 14, they fought against us normally because they were almost at the same weight category, but, after puberty and when we were 15 to 20, our teacher started teaching the girls how to fight smart and not head on against us. Why? Because most of us had the strength to overpower any of the the girls despite us having been training the same amount of time.
It wasn't that the girls could not win, it was that the girls wouldn't win as a girlboss like in the example above. There are techniques you can use to overpower a man, but if you try what was shown in the movie... yeah you're dead. It's not sexism, it's simple biology.
@@randomperson-up5vt
Wasn't Aragon a descendant of elf's as well as man?
So although he was mostly human the elvish blood would still result with those with his bloodline having longevity in their lifespan.
I understand why there are no songs about Hara, she could not understand she is a royal princess, and needs to do what a royal needs to do... This is going to piss some people of, but we are in the middle-ages in the story, get married off and get some children to secure the line of succession and alliances. and be graceful and charming then lords comes to visit so they will be impressed by you and your hospitality, so you can get some good trade deals and alliances. and then the men is off to war she rules in their stead. Do what is best for your family.
Sadly, this trope of a princess/ woman not wanting to marry anyone and "be free" has spread a lot in modern medieval/ historical media. It always takes people out of the show sense people who these thing know it very inaccurate and been beaten to death everywhere.
Why can’t we have nice things anymore?
The goal is specifically to take the nice things
Well a n t i w h i t e s want brutalism everywhere to crush people's spirits. Go figure.
Because we were too welcoming
@Tony_409
Call me an Alt-Right, Sexist, Homophobic Megatron all they want, but after too many sh!1t like this, I am NEVER trusting something that is sold as "girl boss" or "queer-focused" _EVER_ again!
We gave them an inch and they took the whole equator!!!
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right.
CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
I thought I was misogynist who hates women.. then I found your channel.. thank you, lady.
Don't let them gaslight you. We are not the hateful ones
Well, do you hate women...?
@@Lothiril 90% of them, yes, but not because they're women.
lol
There is a difference between hate and objective reality. Feminists are living in delusion, therefore anyone who points that out, is a threat to them and has to be branded as heretic.
12:30 Alteori! WTF is this nightmare fuel with which you defile our eyes???
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hammy Grammy
Theoden: I have left instructions. The people are to follow your rule in my sted. Take up my seat in the golden hall. Long may you defend Edoras. If the battle goes ill. (The kingdom)
Eown: What other duty you would have me do my lord?
She saying this completely out of duty and no heart. her uncle then replies...
Theoden: Duty? No... I would have you smile again. Not grieve for those who's time has come.
That's how you show that he had wanted her happiness. That's how you make things right between a father and his children. Not this one dementional "I'm sorry I should have listened to you"
Hera the next month later: WHY IS IT THE MEN WHO GET TO RULE KINGDOM?! THE PATRIARCHY IS SEXIST!?!
Her cousin: Bi+×h you gave me the crown! You supported the patriarchy!
Is it ur little ego that’s hurt by a female character not just being useless
@@clatsys2376
well, considering it is a story written by a man, about men , based on vikings, yes yes, lets talk about little weak cry baby woman not being useless..?
Are you kidding me?
What, did you get too many participation rewards in your life?
Oh she loves her cousin.
@@clatsys2376
girlboss unnamed Mary Sue is in fact useless, cowardly and selfish.
There is nothing wrong with you liking head fiction.
Go for it.
I get it your little ego can not handle the fact this story sucks just like ring of power sucks.
That is your problem.
The rest of us are free to mock it and her selfish nature.
Can you guys calm down? This is not how you get your point across.
I cant wait to see the movie where Rosie singlehandedly saves the Shire from being burned by Sharky before Frodo and Sam show up.
It's absolutely baffling that WB decided to release this in theatres instead of streaming it on Max or Netflix (where it belonged in the first place)
they did spend 30 million making this movie, guess they figured it was the best chance to get any profit.....which so far, hasn't been working out for them.
I think it was a rights issue. A streaming movie wasn't good enough to retain the rights.
Not only was that a bad decision. it's doing so horribly. That a re-release anniversary of Interstellar kicked it out along with Kraven in PLF theaters. Giving it the 70MM IMAX capable theaters and digitals to either Moana 2 or Wicked: Part One. That's how bad it is doing. I agree though, the quality is clearly straight to stream, not a theater release.
IIRC it's a Fox situation where they have to make a theatrical release within a decade of the last one to keep the rights. That's probably why there's that Hunt For Gollum one in the pipeline right after this got its first trailer.
"don't judge a book by it's cover!" "don't judge a movie by the trailer!" well how am I to judge if I want to spend my time on them then if the very things we are meant to use to judge them isn't allowed to be used then!?
That's why non establishment reviews exist.
You're apparently supposed to (checks notes) "give it a chance" just because. Even though that argument makes no sense, since then we'd be watching every single freakin' movie.
The trailer alone is more than enough to know that this was gonna suck. Just the typical woke bs...
I disagree with you you may take a suck but with the rest of the world that can suck that's the question I hope you do well because this could help bring back to the animation and maybe people need to stop complaining about woke so much
@@animezilla4486No, now quit sucking yourself off.
@@animezilla4486 Get out of here with your nonsense. Vinny is right.
@@animezilla4486 This is ruining animation, it is badly made in everyway, it technically just bad and clunky, badly written and worst of all WOKE
"Hurr you can't judge the movie by the trailer, you gotta watch it first"
My brother in Christ, the purpose of the trailer is to CONVINCE you to watch it. You absolutely CAN judge a movie by the trailer, the same way you can judge a book by the cover, by the title, by the SUMMARY. This is why books have fancy covers and creative titles, to get you interested. And Alteori is right, trailers these days are just YT shorts of the entire movie, so yeah, you can absolutely make an assessment based on that. It might not be 100% correct, but it is a perfectly valid assessment.
And another important factor, humans are very, very keen on pattern recognition. After some time you get really good at predicting some stuff, to the point people like Alteori can just look at the trailer and infer what's going to happen. So she getting it right before even watching is both a testament to the aforementioned skills, but also some predictability from the people behind this animation, which is to say, Amazon.
Making LOTR an anime was the BIGGEST red flag.
Making anything anime does not bring money or make people happy, good writing does.
EXCELLENT AITEORI WORK. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Animation is cheaper than pushing a film or TV on live action. The story would've worked, we've seen something similar with Heroic Legend of Arslan but then the movie isn't about Tolkein's work. It's got the name on it but it's not really the man who made the story. It's some pretentious writer thinking they're better than the author he's profiting from.
I swear ever since Star Wars Visions, it's like every franchise that dropped the ball is trying anime to get some damage control in
@@ARStudios2000 Can you blame them? Look at what it did for Cyberpunk2077. That game was almost written off by the gaming community until Edgerunners came out.
@@luiseatoll6368 yeah, I was there. What pissed me off were the ones going "Cyberpunk was always good" when Edgerunners came out like
No, no it wasn't, stop with the revisionism.
Alteori your gonna have to be the girlboss to lead the youtubers to fight the evil DEI
We don't need to start a war not a good idea
@@animezilla4486 It's these wreckers of IP's who started it, quit blaming the people who're victim to it.
@@animezilla4486”War is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.” See what I did there lol
@augustus_tiberius. Yes I see what you did there but I'm a person that rather have peace than war
They took a dude who was central to Rohan’s history and replaced him with a minor character who Tolkien, the perfectionist he usually was, didn’t even name. Of course it sucked. And of course they lazily gave her the most non-Rohan name in the whole thing🤣
Also what is that Dinosaur game that was playing in the background?
When I was in the Army we had a unit combatives competition with a male and female bracket. Once it finished, the top female said she wanted to challenge the top male, but the Sergeants wouldn’t let her. They told her she could challenge any guy outside of the top 5 and if she could win then they would let her challenge any other guy she wanted. She was visibly annoyed, but agreed and chose the 6th ranked guy. Dude had her pinned in less than 10 seconds and she tapped out.
The moral of this story: size matters and skinny ass little women can’t beat up grown men. If they could, women would have been the ones fighting wars since time immemorial.
Very good and very true story 😂
Why do they keep doing this? Why do they undermine the strength of femininity by abandoning it for Masculinity. I am tired of this shit telling us women can out man the men but men can't out woman the women.
What even more offensive they use a work that is based on world war 1 without even thinking the reason why we see only men that fight in LOTR because that is how it works during world war 1. They legit disrespect all the men that died during that war for some girl power fantasy
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right.
CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
Nah we've had this kind of bs so many times it doesn't matter that "its just a trailer". We already know what we're gonna get. Often from just a glance too. xD
On the plus side, you get to make videos on it!
No we don't know what's going to happen because someone didn't even see the movie now I respect alteori for not liking this movie but I'm not exactly going to agree with her on this until I see the movie from myself because I know I don't follow the crowd especially when it comes to this man versus woman crap
NGL, the idea of "don't judge by the trailer" is strange seeing as that's the entire point of a trailer. Sure they're made in the hopes that you'll judge it positively but it's still judgement nonetheless.
@@animezilla4486 Stop lying. ThisIsAUsername69 knows what's up.
@@animezilla4486So you just have terrible pattern recognition right? That or you are a terrible judge. A trailer is literally a sample of what you ARE going to get. Its to pull you in. You are absolutely meant to judge a movie by it's trailer. 🤨
🥸Yeah sure this thing looks, walks, has the DNA, and quacks like a duck,...but until I SEE the duck for myself, it's not a duck.
You need to play in traffic to know for sure why you shouldn't do that too? How about stick a fork in an outlet. Maybe sleep with a street walker unprotected. Oh wait! Without having ever done those things or seeing them you already know better! Pssst! Silly me. Crazy how you don't need a trailer for that, but when a movie gives you one, oh you can't tell. Stop it. 😂
Her sudden strength came from the realization that she was a lesbian all along but didn’t realize until that moment. Totality scientific and logical.
The Girl Boss means NO SALE.
Girl boss who cares as long as the characters are good besides I don't see anybody complaining about guy bosses
@@animezilla4486 the characters aren't good though? Feminists bitched non-stop for decades about "toxic males" in media and entertainment.
@@animezilla4486Why are you arguing to make something we all agree sucks (Girl boss) against what you say nobody complains about.
Either you are pure evil and just want to see the world burn or you just hate men either way you are clearly evil.
I hope you find light and love in your life so you can stop this nonsense
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see a story where the Princess wants to be an adventurer, runs away from an arranged marriage, and is later found at some tavern by the Knight a few years later who tells her that the kingdom has been taken over by an evil villain, its all her fault, and she has to come back and make it right.
CAN YOU SMELL THE MONEY?
9:05 reminds me of aloy, for horizon zero dawn. She wasn’t a bad character, but she wasn’t a good character either. She was so bland, so generically heroic. And weirdly atheistic, since the only thing the focus would have been able to teach her(since the GAIA ai module that held the knowledge was destroyed) was that machines were made by ancient humans. She should have retained some level of spirituality, especially with her father figure being so faithful despite being persecuted by the other members of the tribe… Anywayyyy…
The thing that sucks about this even more is that one of the main themes of LotR is basically cast off all doubt and fear and trepidation; you can't run from your responsibilities, so might as well face them head on. Like, imagine if Aragorn never took up Narsil and was determined to remain a ranger.
Or if Sam just decided to die alongside Frodo when he was bitten by Shelob instead of baring the ring himself.
Ah man! I was holding to a sliver of hope that it'd be a little watchable.
I was excited to see Helm Hammerhand even though I figured they'd nerf him to prop Hera up.
How do you know the exactly Nerf him anyway I'm going to watch this movie in Georgia for myself because I know for a fact that alteori was never going to like this in the first place I respect her opinions but I'm not going to automatically believe her that the movie is bad
@@animezilla4486You're almost as up-tight about this as I am about the crappy new Elden Ring knockoff announcement.
@@animezilla4486 Because the script will demand it. Helm Hammerhand is a legendary figure in the LotR lore. To take his unnamed daughter and give her story a legendary status (The Shieldmaiden) means to not let Helm overshadow her you need to nerf him.
I hope you enjoy watching the movie. I didn't need to know you're watching it in Georgia. And I disagree with Alteori from time to time myself. I'm not watching because Me, Myself and I do not like what I've seen so far.
@@rclaws3230 I'm not uptight I'm just expressing my opinions that's it
They don't nerf him. You can argue he's somewhat sidelined but not nerfed. This movie is getting dragged in stupid culture war bs but this character is genuinely not all that more or less woke than eowyn. What ultimately fucks it up, seems to be warner and the fact that the film basically builds to her dying at the end, thus explaining why helms line ended and why she was forgotten. But then she just kinda shrugs off what was a mortal wound moment and then just gives up the kingdom she fought to protect to run away seeking rings with Gandalf cause he's here to talk to her about the Aven---Sauron initiative or sth. Warner just want to turn this into Marvel slop.
Her father is supposed to be the main character of this war. Helms deep was named after him. He also was supposed to die from killing countless enemies with his bare fists until one day he just mysteriously died. No one knows what exactly killed him.
I like the character design but the story is complete modern girl boss story and the animation is choppy at points
think they would have learned how much the fan base hates ROPs and not tried to copy it by ignoring the the Lore.
Disagree with you the fact that you're comparing is to rings of power is already the wrong direction everybody even the fans agree this is way better than that garbage
I'm shocked. You're telling us that a movie released in 2020s, degrades men and makes a girl the absolute boss of everything, every time? Impossibiru!
girl you were cursing like a sailor lol you dropped so many curse words in a row i started laughing i love it
Lol sorry. I'm pmsing so hard right now and my puppy is not feeling well so I was in a more salty mood 😅 Still meant what I said about the film though. Let me know what you think when you watch it
If they seriously wanted to expand on the lore and introduce a new character to promote more female characters, then they could have done so without taking away from Helm's part that Tolkien wrote about and have an actual arc for Hera.
I even did a rewrite summary of how I would have done Hera's character, by having her start off dreaming of becoming a warrior and having no desire to raise a family, even training behind her father's back until he discovers what she is doing but allows her to continue in order to defend herself if necessary and to teach her himself (as a way to spend more time with her). But he also warns her that war is nothing like the tales she has read, that it's unforgiving, brutal, and scary. Even going on to reveal that he had dreams himself, with no desire to raise a family, until duty pushed him to become King and take on a wife to raise a family, declaring that she and her brothers became a far better purpose in life that extended past any dream he had. While she doesn't understand, he promises that she will one day.
By the end of the story, Helm dies to save his daughter, and she realizes how right he was about the reality of war, traumatizing her but forcing her to be strong for her brothers and her people. And years after the war, Hera marries and gives birth to her first child, fully coming to realize what her father was talking about and vows to dedicate her life to raising a family of her own, like her father and mother did.
While not perfect of a rewrite, it's honestly the way I would have gone about Hera's character and her arc in the movie.
We dont hate women, we just hate boring, mary sue female characters.
The whole movie is complete horse manure. Tolkien's canon Haleth, Helm's oldest son died defending in Edoras, last standing defending the King's hall against Wulf, son of Frecca. Helm and his youngest son Hecca died at Helm's Deep under siege by the Dunlendings. IT was Fréaláf Hildeson, Helm's nephew who killed Wulf and restored Rohan. If they were going to put a name and larger role to Helm's unnamed daughter, then the LEAST they could have done was keep the REST of the story right!
I'm so sad to hear this. I was SO hoping this would be good. :(
Considering that it’s basically an Anime Movie, I was hoping for it to be good too.
bruh you saw "western anime" and tought its good ?
@@mostcomplicatedman8115 Hoped
If you ever read the books it was Frealaf who fought Wulf and killed him in combat and this is just great now they made him “man taking credit for woman’s work.”
Glad I'm not the only one who rooted for Wulf based off the trailer 😂😂 Gimme that gritty grouchy male protagonist who secretly has a heart of gold and is virtuous, but embittered by life. ❤
(saying this as a woman, I love those dudes, I see myself more in them than girlbosses idk)
There are so many ways to have "strong" female characters without overshadowing or undermining other characters. Now I put strong in "" because so often that word is taken literally when a lot of strong characters are not ACTUALLY strong in a physical sense. Some strong female characters are those that stay by their family, or loved ones who have strong moral sense to protect the children and weak. Yes a wife who sees her warrior husband off as he goes off to battle is a strong woman. There are strong female characters who help heal some wound on the main character, whether that is physical or mental. There are mentors that help guide someone away from a mistake. Of course there are also literal strong women in fantasy but in a world like Tolkien where the fantasy is closer tied to reality, there is more of a limit to that. Hell look at any Anime, plenty of strong women over there but very rarely overshadow other characters (exemptions to every rule as sometimes you want another character to overshadow another so that X character can use that to grow stronger). They're given their time to shine as well as the men, you can't play favourites in a story.
Eowyn is one people like to tout around as a strong woman which she is... but people seem to think that's her story over. No her arc doesn't end there with her being a badass warrior but realising that she would rather become a healer than be a shieldmaiden. That single battle changed her, because that's what life and death situations do to people. Talk to any solider whose been through battlefields, after seeing their friends or companions die around them or getting heavily wounded. You realise that you want to live. She also needed help in beating the witch king if Merry hadn't helped she could have died.
Who is this made for?
No idea lol
The "Modern audience" probably. That mythical group that will come and save everyone of these terrible shows and all the many bad games.
To remind Amazon, WB and PJ isn't going to let this go
Strong, independent, stunning and brave lesbians.
@@gardogodinez6621bull crap
I've Zero faith in the next chapter of castlevania nocturne, too.
Yeah, I'm betting every girl will be able to win against Alucard. The godsdamn son of Dracula and possible strongest character in the franchise.
The Belmont is already a Gary Stu and boring as all hell, the rest won't be better
for me the series ended when they killed dracula . the other girlboss vampires are cringe . the only reason to keep watching the series is isaac and alucard .
I feel like Hollywood doesn't understand what makes a strong female character type. Sooo many times, I 've seen women have to act masculine or they degrade men by acting as if in some way they are superior to men. That or they can't ever show vulnerability or weakness, cant desire love from a man, cant follow rules, or do anything that would make sense in the setting/time of the world. It's just Mary Sue women who don't really do anything that they 've EARNED from people to fawn over. Its more just plot armor or the writers demand it.
There are sooo few Western stories today that actually does a very well written strong female character.
There's something so satisfying about hearing Alteori pissed off, swearing, and complaining about a garbage film.
How is this compared to that awful tomb raider series they released?.
Tomb raider was worse… wait. The action scenes for Tomb raider were better
I agree with you 1000%, the thing I don't like is that a lot of people nowadays rather generalize the role of a princess and a queen back in the days of Spears bows and arrows. Those daughters of Kings understand and will raise to understand as well as other assets that they're making a sacrifice for the greater good of their Kingdom. The father didn't see them as nothing more than a chair given to some stranger he's giving his child to another person, a child that they saw born and helped raise in a sense. The daughters understand by marrying the prince of another Nation she's ensuring a long-lived Ally to her kingdom so in other words she sacrifices her happiness for the greater good. And keep in mind for anyone says something dumb just like the king the women had men on the side. They're even moments where the king will allow a child he knows it's not his to be raised under his kingdom because he wants a son to pass on the air with thrown. If you need an example that's closest to the back in the day game of thrones.
7:28 What game is that?
Also its pretty much a trend in Hollywood, when they're adapting something into a movie, they have to change it.
Following for the answer
Found it: Kyoryu
In current day, the triumph of this film was that there wasn’t some random racial anomaly forced in, and that the lead was allowed to have red hair (most likely in an attempt to make her stand out, but still!). It’s definitely a product of its time, and, as history will undoubtedly reflect, that’s not a good thing.
The tagline for the movie was, “Tolkien didn’t give her a chance, we gave her a movie.”
Yeah… he also didn’t even give her a name. She was mentioned as the daughter of a king and then never again. She was so irrelevant to LotR that Tolkien mentioned her as the offspring of a king who DID actually matter. It’s like making a movie about, “woman in background in cafe.” She wasn’t relevant then, she isn’t relevant now.
When I saw CGI FIRE 🔥 I laughed in the empty cinema.
I love how narrow minded the writers of this movie are, in the fact that they think audiences will reflect and sympathize with a character who, because of her won selfishness, caused the deaths of every other character in the movie.
Girlboss after Girlboss after Girlboss… it’s so tiring …
These modern writers for a modern audience simply don't know how to build a character, so they have permanently to tell you how awesome stunning and brave she is because they can't show you.
For once when a princess says Daddy I don’t want to marry him that the king says Ok there is farm go live and work there
"but daaaaaad I dun wanna wooooooork >~< farming is such a stereotypically feminine jooooob, can i be a soldier"
"ok, you asked for it"
hard cut to her getting destroyed in battle because arrows that block out the sun dont care how girlboss you are
I'm sad it went this way. I wouldn't have minded a more fully fleshed out character that played an important role at all. But this really did make her the main focus sidelining the original protagonists Haleth, Hama, Fréaláf with all the cliché and unrealistic feminist girl boss tropes. Its not a Tolkien adaptation, its a work of fan fiction and shouldn't be branded as by Tolkien. And at the end she leaves her people to ride off with Philippa, er I mean the older shield maiden, to do what with her life anyway? Fight guys and in reality likely be dead in a few weeks and have the bloodline of her family die out? I mean if that was really preferable to her than it surely is a life choice she can make. But are we supposed to buy its ultimately a more meaningful or fulfilling one for most than becoming a wife and mother with all the responsibilities and sacrifices but also love, joy, and rewards and legacy that encompasses? I used to call myself a feminist too but it's not something I identify with anymore. For me it was about equality under the law and equality of opportunities (not that people had to hire you even if you arent the best suited to have an equal number of men/women but that all can apply and if they are the best candidate not be denied just based on sex). Some of the stuff now is just way too out there and I think the main thing its empowering is a generation of future lonely cat ladies. I've done both career and family. Sure my husband can be a pill, my kids can sometimes be bratty, it can be tiresome. But even though I went into a field I studied for and found my job rewarding it doesnt touch the meaning my family has given me. My bosses and colleagues were also capable of being tiresome pills and anything you have to do everyday becomes a chore. And like 99% of us likely almost no one will remember, care, or appreciate any of it a year after I'm retired. But my husband laying next me, the memories of holding my children, watching them grow beats all. Sure sometimes love doesnt last and the kids may leave and then see them seldom but life is full of trials regardless and really isnt meant to always be easy. I'm lucky my husband is a man who really wanted to embrace the roles of husband and father and I feel fortunate to think I'll have him by my side to share our later years. None of this is to say if relationships really aren't your bag, or you really dont like kids, or your significant other is a different picture than my more traditional one, that's not fine. Your path is your own. Just to say the feminist messaging traditional roles are somehow inferior or less empowering is one I hope people take with a grain of salt. Especially young people starting out and wondering what paths to take.
What's the song at the end of Alteori videos?
It's in the description
@@Alteori Thanks!
13:14 that Southpark impression was phenomenal LMAO
So just to be clear. the entire movie is about Hera running away from her royal duties and never being held accountable for it?
“Don’t judge the trailer. You haven’t seen the movie yet!”
That’s the ENTIRE POINT of the trailer. Its whole job is to present the movie in a way that will entice you to actually watch it. If what the trailer presents doesn’t interest you, or worse, reveals things that you don’t care for, you can’t blame someone for not wanting to watch the movie😂
That took a long time for people to figure it was a piece of garbage-
Disappointing, in a world where modern 2D animated movies are becoming scarce, this is quality we're getting
hot take but I think they should’ve never been more Lord of the Rings projects after the original trilogy was done like Return of the king should’ve been the end of the universe
I wish the hobbit movies were better.
There's a lot of good that can come out of it, but these weirdos aren't the ones who ought to be allowed to bungle things up on purpose as they do.
The reason for gatekeeping is more obvious every day .
No
@animezilla4486 hush ma'am.
@@animezilla4486uhm...yes, actually?
the thing with anime though is that girl-bossing is almost a trope.. its just they do it better without any fanfare or feeling forced
A little bit debatable on that
@@animezilla4486magical girls are girl bosses but they are fun
“It’s Lord of the Rings, but ANIME!!!”
This is what we call key jingling.
Tolkien is probably creating electricity by spinning in his grave so fast. Wtf was even that. I´m so fed up with medieval setting noblemen´s daughters just taking a "fuck this, I wanna no responsibilities, only privileges, and of course need no man" stance. It is so awful, so off-putting.
Apparently that character wasn´t even remotely important in the original works too. Why does this shit even exist.
People were clowning on me for saying this was gonna be bad…allow me to tell off while talking to myself, “I told you so slop-eaters” 😂😂
I can do everything better than you...I just don't wanna. Pfft Responsibilities. Sacrifice? Ha, that's what men are for.
Okay, I have to correct you on a few points: First, as many have pointed out, Helm dies in the text, so killing him was mandatory.
Second: Saruman does appear at the end of the story. It's not just fan service.
I hate 😒 the girl boss 😤
I don't
Now, great animation aside (this is 4:30 in so if you point this out, that's cool): I do have to point out that in these clips, this main character is the only one with any sort of color about her. Everyone else, especially the men, seems to have gray in their complexion, which is not only reminiscent of orcs, but of death. Giving her red hair only made it more obvious. Literally having to make your character stand out to "stand out"? Ew.
Edit: ok, a few minutes later, I'm noticing most things seem to have an overlay of gray in this movie, which is just kind of annoying to me, animation-wise (or game-wise...but games are animated, too). Painting the entirety of the screen in one color to convey emotion and gravitas works maybe once per movie.
Further edit: if what you're going for is a more drab, realistic setting, why make the main character have Disney-red hair? I have yet to see a natural red head with that shade of color. (Had a rando in a bar ask me if it was natural when it was at least three shades browner and he was uninterested when I said 'no')
"im not afraid of you"
"you should be"
wow good one, was this movie written by a twelve year old
a cutscene in shadow of war involving a flashback of helm hammerhand and his daughter was a more compelling and interesting story than this movie and the cutscene was 40 seconds long
@12:24 crazy Granny can get it tho...
I liked the movie. i didn't like how the brothers died though, like they died in dumb ways and treated as a random soldier in the background with different hair to stand out
Aww, man. I was praying it would be good, but oh well.
Question have you seen the movie for yourself or you just believe alteori without a second thought
@@animezilla4486 I haven't yet seen a review of hers that wasn't pretty well spot on; but no, I haven't seen it yet.
Thank you for being honest!! 🙏🏾😆
Honesty is the Best but disagree with her
So, this movie is basically Brave? What a waste of time and money.
How was anyone even surprised by this?
Makes no sense
That cousin had such a good line too. "You will always have my sword, Uncle. Whether you value it or not."
Oh Hell it's a movie I thought it was a show, well either way I'm still going to see it because I'm curious enough to see it myself.
Go for it! You might like it
Get the cheapest showing you can, before 5pm because it doesn't deserve full price
Got to see it for free cuz I work at a theater and I still feel ripped off. Wasted 3 hours of my life. And yes, it is not doing well from what I've seen from ticket purchases.
At least it is better than Kraven the Hunter
And Ziegler's Y2K movie
My best advice is everyone save their money for nosferatu if you’re looking for a movie to watch or in general genuinely hype for the movie. I haven’t seen it but it’s getting stellar reviews which granted the movie could still be bad but I obviously rather watch that film then this one, Kraven, Y2K, The new lion king movie, Moana 2 and definitely Wicked
Doesn't change the fact it's still below garbage
The main reason why this was made is so Warner Brothers can hold on to the IP rights. That's why all these studios put out some crap every decade or so, when the public is like _why are you making this? Nobody's been asking for this._