@@BrianMakse Hey Brian - its going to be a combo or spirited driving and cruising. My issue with the Bullitt is the trans and have not heard good things about it. The tremec in the Dodge is much superior but significantly a heavier ride. Looking for fun factor and driving pleasure.
So had this exact package color transmission 2021 version. Sold it actually made some money bought the 2015 model wholesale basically just needing some rubbing and a few upgrades...and now I have the car that I can actually call mine..any1 I let drive has a big smile and a story to tell. 🤣
@@negusibe9232 yeah they are the only authentic muscle car out of the big 3, and the SRT crew has got that gen3 hemi making some awesome power. It's the only one not trying to be a sports car, and is more focused on the drag strip. Although they are not limited to just that, and are very comfortable cruisers as well are great on the open road to. Unlike the other two and would never consider taking either one on a trip, if I had the choice. The SRT seats are very comfortable/sporty, and love the ones in my Challenger as well
Yes, this is soooo very much a GT car. And a muscle car. And a drivers car. It does so many things well, and all for well under 50k. Hats off to Dodge, this is on my shortlist for new cars.
Took me a year to save up a down payment and boom, got me a Manuel transmission sublime green scat pack challenger. I worked long hours for this car but it’s very worth it! To be part of the muscle car history is priceless! Might get a hellcat next!
This by far the best produced/delivered review I've watched on the RT widebody. Great camera shots that really give you a sense of how it sounds and drives. Plus it's good to see someone who knows how to really drive a muscle car push it around turns so you get an idea of it's handling. I think you've sold me on which challenger I need to get.
Awesome car and review. I love my 2016 Scat pack 6 speed manual 392. If I was buying new today, I'd be taking home the widebody 392. Dodge hit a sweet spot here and in some ways I'd rather have it than a Hellcat.
I think u are right when u say they hit the sweet spot here. Perfectly functional, usuable power for the street. I do like the optional suspensions choices the HC offers out the gate and people seem to love their Hellcats when they trade up, but for me, I'd take a 392 widebody. The widebody flares def do a lot for the challey, but the chargers seem to benefit even more visually by adding the fender flares. Being a 4 door muscle sedan, the widebody adds a ton of aggresion to the exterior of those charger
Bought my Widebody Challenger Scat Pack in Feb. 2020..... I love it. Not too little power and Not to much power. This thing rocks. I love driving it. I use to own a magnum that I had supercharged at Petty's Garage and it had 600 rear wheel HP. I could not take off without spinning tires. I loved it, but it was too much power.
After owning a 17 Scatpack Charger , I recently bought a 2019 granite Challenger wb Scatpack 6spd w 16k mi. Gotta say that i just love this car. And was pleased as punch to find out that it did not have the 4 cyl. deactivation with the manual tranny .. Great video Brian !
I've seen countless reviews on this car. Your review was by far the best. Great shots. Simple to the point commentary. Audio was better than many others also. Great job. Subscribed!
@@BrianMakse Nobody. Yours takes the Cake by far. Not sure what you're using to make that happen but the exhaust sounds throughout the video were perfect. Got me all screwed up. Stayed up half the night trying to find a Torred Manual Widebody for sale lol
I’ve watched this video almost half a dozen times, and absolutely love the car and the host. You have probably convinced me that I need a Scat Pack widebody.
Little fun fact for you Americans ;) I ve got an Manual 2019 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack WB here in Germany. The Reactions are incredible. This car gets way more attention than cars like Ferraris or McLarens.Thumbs up everywhere and a lot of turning heads. Mustangs are quit common here, also a few Camaros are driving around but Challengers/Chargers are really exotic. Everyone love the sound of that v8( fortunatley i could keep the stock exhaust wich is very loud for German Laws/Hellcats need an quiter (shitty) exhaust for import) especially the deep tone. For those who are interested, the Exhaustvolume was measured at 97 db(A) at 3750 rpm in a distance of 0,5 m. Thats louder for example than a Camaro SS (95db) BMW M6 (93db) c63AMG (93db) Jaguar F-Type R (96 db) MCLaren 600LT(93 db) at the same conditions. Im so glad i get one of last American Beautys, until electric cars will kill the Muscle Car era.
I’m not American and your Dodge is made in Canada. Regardless, I’ve dreamt of driving a Challenger in Europe. That’s got to be both brilliant and difficult at the same time. I love it.
I hear ya!! I have a 2015 6 speed scat and I love it. Live in MI so starting in February I start getting really itchy to drive it. February and March are painful months!! Mine is black on black and was in the process of a 426 build by the mechanic I purchased it from. All sorts of performance stuff in it from a 274 comp cam to a 84mm Arrington throttle body, Stainless Steel long tube headers, Hellcat air intakes, resonator delete and more, High Horse Performance did the tune. Haven't dyno'd it yet but I would imagine its producing about 535-540hp. Great car!! I have had this for 3 years and prior to that a 5.7 6 speed and I have never once had a mechanical problem with either of them.
This is the Challenger to buy. I knew it since they announced the widebody Scat Pack.. The segment of just sound clips is pure bliss.. I grew up loving E bodies and I love these new Challengers more and more.. I just wish I could afford one of these, I would have mine in Destroyer grey please!! Great video thanks so much for putting a smile on my face!
Awesome Street Muscle Brian! I bought a Chally 392 in Hellraisin' with the ZF 8 speed a few years ago. Smiles for mile man... I got it pretty stripped down, baseline interior, no sunroof, but did get the Dynamics Package and Nav.
Great review, just ordered mine yesterday with the same color combination. Went with the automatic because my wife can't drive a stick and she will want to drive it now and then. Ah, compromises, a happy wife makes for a happy life. Back to watching videos until mine gets delivered.
Fantastic review! As a lifetime Mustang GT/Bullitt/GT500 guy, this may be sacrilegious to say, but I could easily see myself driving that car. Love it!
I bought this car in black in March 2019. Since then I have yet to see another 392 Widebody on the road....I am guessing the reason is the price point....it’s a ton of car for the money, but $50k eliminates a lot of people and competes with a used regular-body hellcat ( from a price standpoint)
I bought this car with 6,000 miles on it last weekend. F8 green which is very unusual, and one of my favorite colors. I paid considerably less than $50K. Love, love, love this car.
What a great review. This vid really sold me and I ordered one yesterday. A White Knuckle R/T Scat Wide Body with the Shaker Package. Just got the VIN this am.
Like the sound better without the supercharger whine! Put some american racing headers, and flow master mufflers, or american thunder mufflers, will set the 2019 charger off 👍
This and the other review you have are undeniable the 2 best reviews of these cars on the internet. The camera and audio work, the canyon carving driving impressions and video of the car being put through it's paces really stands out. I have wanted one of these for years now and in 3 days will be picking up a new to me 2022 wide body 392 in F8 green with the 6 speed and about 3800 miles. Figured enough waiting. The time is now. No electric anything for me. This car is me giving 2 middle fingers up to our insane administration and Mary Barra at GM (and everyone else that has drank the Koolaid). Electric vehicles and climate change in general are such a hoax. Electricity doesn't produce itself. Electric cars are the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Excellent choice. You’re going to love it! You know who’s sitting back telling the industry he told them so? Akio Toyoda. Their product strategy speaks for itself and he told the industry that there are many ways to achieve these objectives without running blindly into the EV madness. Plus, the market is speaking for itself and EV inventories are climbing. Ms Barra herself shut down their full size EV truck production a couple of weeks ago. Not paused, but shut down. There is some sanity on the horizon.
Brian Makse almost bought a Charger with the Scat Pack. Got a Giulia Ti instead, but I do regret missing out on that great sounding Hemi. Giulia is quick but engine is a typical soulless 4 pot turbo.
I bought this automatic, same color in March , basicly fully equiped over 54K sticker price , have 1600 miles so far and wouldn't change for any other car in this price range
This video just popped up on my feed. Starting watching all the reviews after buying my ‘21 Scat Pack Widebody Challenger 6 speed manual. Smoke show grey with black interior. I was a hardcore Mustang guy, but Dodge got this one right. Love everything about it. From the factory exhaust note, the seats, the huge brakes, the manual, the seats, and especially the torque! The car rides great, I’m not worried about the weight, I kinda like it. This is a muscle car. This is the ONLY muscle car out there. Different animal than a Coyote ‘stang. I’m in my mid 40’s and this car has the perfect mix of mean looking yet I can go out to dinner. 😂
I just Love my Challanger Widebody especially when I bring my golf clubs with me they fit right in the huge trunk, and you can always fold the back seats down if you need more room.
Adaptive cruise is not available with a manual transmission. At least I was not able to get that when I ordered my 50th Anniversary wide body. I do not see the "eyeball that should be in the middle of the lower grille in this video.
Great review, awesome video and sound. This is a gorgeous car, but just so darn expensive in Canada. I always thought 392 is the only way to go if you like to actually drive your car and now the wide body option makes it even sweeter.
I am looking at the 392 or a Hellcat, I think I’ve made my decision and I think it will be the 392 scat pack widebody. I believe it’s enough horsepower at 485. I believe it’s better balanced car than the hellcat. Probably $400 cheaper insurance. I think I’m gonna go put that money on a 392 R/T scat pack widebody special order today. I also was looking at the Corvette and I specked it out at $90,000 the Challenger is specked out at $65k no brainer.
I was checking out the new scatpacks and was surprised by the cheap checkered seats in the models that were $45K - $50K. Maybe ill wait for a certified used one with alcantara seats.
It's a fantastic handling car. and super fun....especially with a 6 speed manual gear box. Thats how my B5 blue WB Scat pack is configured but no sunroof for me. Thanks for showing your heal and toe technique. MOPAR!!
Perfect car in this configuration with manual. God they don’t build them like this any more. The only thing I change is the color, may be a dark green or grey. Sinister, great noise, and did I say manual. Great review as always. Wow what a car. Ok I hate Pirellis, May be get Michelin’s 😇😎
They do still make them! Dodge makes these! The Pirellis are a key part of the package and have been engineered into the car. I’d be curious to try PS4s on this car, though.
@Brian Makes Great video as always. I have always been a mustang fan but and giving the Challenger a fair look because I just love the way it looks. I will be driving it as my fun car and want a stick. How much of a difference does this wide body make as compared to the mustang? Would you recommend the 392 over the Hellcat as in streetable fun or would you recommend going all out or going home with the hellcat? I really appreciate your help.
My Black scat pack wide-body is in transit by rail-car now. I hope it doesn't take much longer. I purchased it last Monday. I wanted to put papers on it before it hit the dealer. They are hard to get off the lot if you don't jump on them right away
Depends on what's important to you. Manual? That's Challenger only. Four doors or a longer wheelbase? That's Charger. Happy to help, driven all of them!
Took my '16 Scat Pack out for a ride yesterday. Ran out through Anza and Idyllwilde from Temecula. Not many people on the road. Mine is 6spd. Shaker. Believe it or not it's more fun to drive on the back roads than my Demon. If I could give any advice would be when you decide to buy, take your time and order a manual. It's worth the 8 week wait. Just happened upon your show and subscribed. Thanks Brian.
Ha ha! Thanks. Glad you found the channel. You know the difference between the Demon and the Scat Pack! You should recognize this road, but we don’t talk about it publicly. Shhh.
I owned a 2015 SRT Challenger manual and loved it but after driving my friends Scatpack auto I’m getting the auto next (UGH) the ZF auto is so sweet I can’t resist also owned a 2017 Manual 2SS so I’m a manual guy but the autos today are to good to pass up I never thought I’d say that. This was one sweet vid though.
Naturally aspirated is where it's at. The 392 is plenty of power for 99% of the population who aren't looking to save a second or two here or there...and you save about $35-40K vs. the top end trim/engine offering. Amazingly one could almost buy a pair of base Scat Packs (one red one black?) for the price of a totally optioned out Hellcat.
So torn between getting the SRT 392 (2018) or this beast. Although the handling characteristics are definitely improved in the newer model, the SRT has those bells and whistles I'd lose with this model.
@@BrianMakse I checked out the 2020 Challenger ScatPack Widebody - 50th Anniv. Edition at the LA auto show last Sunday. The car is insane. Widebody it is
I bought a new R/T and the heated seats worked only after an hour, and the cooled seats only worked twice. The Mustang is the only car that is less quality. Took back under warrantee, but Dodge just charges a diag fee and denies the problem or flatly refuse to fix it. Dodge service is garbage. My Challenger got the most compliments of any car I've driven. Got Mustang and only got two compliments. Got two or three per week in the Challenger.
Sorry to hear that. If I still worked with Dodge, I'd be able to help you out, but I stopped working with the corporate folks a couple of years ago. Hopefully they'll read your comment.
Hi Brian. Excellent reviews. I am a new subscriber. Could you please do a review of the new S550 Mustang GT with the PP2 package. I almost bought a 2019 Bullitt last year but decided to wait. I have short listed the 2020 Bullitt, the PP2 and the 2020 Challenger R/T Scat Pack wide body. All versions in manual transmission of course. What's your opinion of the PP2 vrs the other 2 models? Or should I wait and see if Ford might bring back the Mach 1 version on the Mustang for 2021? Thanks Brad
Thanks, Brad. Be sure to tell your friends, share on Reddit and social, and hit up our merch store! I did an editorial review of the PP2 last year. I loved it. However, unless you're tracking it often, or are going to change the tires straight out of the box, I'd go Bullitt. Wonderful car. You can't go wrong with the Challenger, either, but depends on when you're looking for the muscle car or pony car experience. I couldn't predict what Ford is going to do, GT500 is definitely the pinnacle of this gen. If you're interested, we just dropped a comprehensive GT500 review this morning. Hope that helps.
I hope you're still watching the comments on this video, so here's the question: having driven the Scat Pack and multiple Hellcat versions of the Challenger, do you have a favorite? Or, maybe more to the point, is the Hellcat worth the extra cost, considering the limit on the shenanigans you can accomplish and not get arrested for on a daily basis? The extra power is pure badassery, but will it make a difference in my day if I can't find an open stretch of highway or lonely, twisty road? I'm going to be putting a widebody Challenger in the garage, but on a daily basis I swap between Scat Pack and Hellcat... I guess it's a good problem to have, but I'm waiting for some sort of sign saying 'This is the car you should choose'. Maybe some of the other readers have driven both as well? Insurance isn't a factor yet, but as my kids get older that might become an issue as well. Thanks for any replies!
Brian Makse Hey there, thanks for the reply. Definitely the manual for the trans. We have a lot of country roads around here that remind me of the roads in your video. Not tight road courses, but I’m not into top speed runs, either. I am beginning to think that I might enjoy the balanced package of the Scat over the straight line power of the Hellcat. It would be the ‘fun’ car, not a daily driver. I can still get into a lot of trouble with 485 horses. I was settled on the Scat Pack but had moments of doubt. Add to that the twin snorkel hood on the HC is not as appealing to me as the power bulge that reminds me of the 1970 AAR Cuda, so aesthetically the Scat is in the lead as well. Still, I was curious if I’d regret it forever if I didn’t consider the Hellcat. I’ve watched this video countless times and must compliment you in the effort. Sound quality, production, info, etc, are all top notch. Great product!
Brian, I own a 2015 Challenger R/T 392 Scat Pack with a 6 speed manual and a Mr. Norm's package. This is a "one off" custom car. it was a "show car" before I bought it. It has 3,500 miles to date. Everything about this car is customized: paint, interior, suspension, and power. Would you be interested in profiling the car?
Love the Scat Pack... had to pass on buying the wide body though. For me, I'm a purist who prefers the traditional style, which gives proper kudos to the Challengers of yore. No need to buy and old one and get it restored, since the modern ones look so similar and are far better cars, anyway... the wide body may be better on the track, but those bulging fenders morph the car into something else other than a Challenger. Just my opinion.
Agreed on new vs old. After spending all sorts of time with narrow and wides, I can’t go back to narrow. To me, it looks perfect now, but I can appreciate the appeal of the narrow car.
Awesome review and love how you can hear the roar of the engine throughout the video!! Have you driven a non widebody to see and feel the difference? If so what did you think?
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. I haven’t driven a narrow body in a long time. The wider track and tires make an undeniable difference with overall grip and handling.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. I haven’t driven a narrow body in a long time. The wider track and tires make an undeniable difference with overall grip and handling.
Help? Should I get the 2021 challenger Scat Pack T/A Widebody or a slightly used Camaro ZL1 as a weekend all around fun car? I have not driven either one yet but plan on test driving them both in the spring. I really like the Look of the Challenger but I like the performance of the Camaro ZL1
In the review @4:20 you mention adaptive cruise control. Yet I don't see it on the steering wheel, also no fish eye in the front lower fascia. Also wonder how that would work on a manual trans? That would be sweet if it did have it!! I do love your review, you are definitely well versed in the suspension of the car.
Awesome review Brian ~ is this Scat manual as easy to drive as the Camaro, in terms of clutch feel & throwing the gears? That Tremec in the Camaro 1 LE is sweet...also, any thoughts on the Camaro 1LE manual having any shift problems - Ie. problems shifting into second, & sometimes, even reverse? Cheers🙏🏽
Thanks, Andy. Very different experience. The Camaro is trying hard to be a sports car, while Challenger is an unapologetic muscle car. I haven't experienced any issues with Challengers or 1LEs, but as a racing driver I'm accustomed to adapting to a given driving situation, which probably makes me a little less picky than most. I work around given problems.
HaHaHa....spoken like a true professional 🙏🏽 Did you have a chance at checking out that video on the lifter issue with the Dodge naturally aspirated automatics because of the MDS system that Dodge has, to save fuel?
@@andysen LOL. Haven't had a chance to check it out. Crushed under a pile of work this week. Wrote a fun story on a last minute assignment, editing Saturday's review, and shooting next week's review all at the same time. Oh, and my newest gopro got wrecked by rock. What a week. I'm going to check out that issue when I do get a chance.
That’s awesome ~ you are indeed a man of many talents👍🏼 Yes, as a professional race car driver, your opinion is invaluable. I’m buying a new car & love the Challenger (do want a manual for sure). Right now the Camaro SS 1LE is a close second...Mustang misses the low end torque of the push-rod engines, which I love. However, that new Mach 1 looks promising, though it will rev high, & eventually catch the Scat. Not into modding my vehicle really ~ I prefer to buy what I like stock & just have fun driving it. Cheers mate🙏🏽
Hey thanks for the excellent video!! I plan to buy one here in Germany and I want to pick it up with the 6 gear shifter too. The automatic in my former 2019 camaro was slow and sluggish in my opinion. Do you know if there is a cylinder deactivation with the shifter model? I still hope this is only for the automatic models (in fact my camaro had it and I hated it ... no way to turn it off). Thanks for your time!
Thanks, Baron! Glad you enjoyed this one. I don't believe the manual + 6.4 V8 combination has cylinder deactivation, but it's been over a year since I've driven one. I recently tested a Durango SRT with the same engine, but with the automatic, and it did have cylinder deactivation. It work very well at highway speeds and the engagement was very subtle, but appreciated on a long drive.
@@BrianMakse The widebody is so worth it! The handling is way better than my 2015 392 SRT. Hugs the road and corners way better than a car of that size/weight ever should!
Brian Makse Daily driver with the occasional back road driving. I’ve driven a Giulia QV (dream car) on multiple occasions, it set the standard very high when it comes to its nimbleness and directness. Do you feel a similar connection to both vehicles? With that in factor, what is more preferable to you?
@@MustafaMustafa-uy6cr The things that make the hot Giulia feel special are the excellent chassis and the quicker-than-average steering rack. Reviewed that a couple of years ago, very unique machine. The Challenger remains a muscle car with a healthy dose of handling. It sounds like you may not prefer the Challenger, but you never know until you try. You may fall in love with all of its other charms. Definitely drive one!
Been following you for a while Brian. Love your videos. I am stuck between this and the Bullitt right now.
As always, thanks for watching! Do you want a muscle car or sports car vibe?
@@BrianMakse Both! That is where I am stuck!
@@giveyouashot help me help you! How are you going to drive the car and how are you going to use it? I think we're going down the Bullitt road fyi
@@BrianMakse Hey Brian - its going to be a combo or spirited driving and cruising. My issue with the Bullitt is the trans and have not heard good things about it. The tremec in the Dodge is much superior but significantly a heavier ride. Looking for fun factor and driving pleasure.
So had this exact package color transmission 2021 version.
Sold it actually made some money bought the 2015 model wholesale basically just needing some rubbing and a few upgrades...and now I have the car that I can actually call mine..any1 I let drive has a big smile and a story to tell.
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This is by far one of the best reviews I’ve seen on these Challenger RT Scat pack wide bodies. Thanks for posting this!
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Absolutely the best review
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Totally agreed, the best review!
Most underrated GT car on the road.
I don't know about 'underrated GT' but the Challenger certainly doesn't get enough share of voice among muscle cars.
@@BrianMakse its the only muscle car the other are pony and sport cars
@@negusibe9232 pretty sure I said exactly that in the video...
@@negusibe9232 yeah they are the only authentic muscle car out of the big 3, and the SRT crew has got that gen3 hemi making some awesome power. It's the only one not trying to be a sports car, and is more focused on the drag strip. Although they are not limited to just that, and are very comfortable cruisers as well are great on the open road to. Unlike the other two and would never consider taking either one on a trip, if I had the choice. The SRT seats are very comfortable/sporty, and love the ones in my Challenger as well
Yes, this is soooo very much a GT car. And a muscle car. And a drivers car. It does so many things well, and all for well under 50k. Hats off to Dodge, this is on my shortlist for new cars.
can’t wait to get one of these in a few years. gonna work hard for it!
Totally worth it!
Same bro how olf are you now it feels like Forever im 18 imma plan to get it at 22 or 23 after i get a Good job in Business💯
@@yungpepereacts2300 23 or 24 is a good age your insurance wont be so high because you almost 25
Took me a year to save up a down payment and boom, got me a Manuel transmission sublime green scat pack challenger. I worked long hours for this car but it’s very worth it! To be part of the muscle car history is priceless! Might get a hellcat next!
This by far the best produced/delivered review I've watched on the RT widebody. Great camera shots that really give you a sense of how it sounds and drives. Plus it's good to see someone who knows how to really drive a muscle car push it around turns so you get an idea of it's handling. I think you've sold me on which challenger I need to get.
Thanks, Paul. This one was so much fun to drive. Miss is badly.
That sound just never gets old! ❤️❤️❤️
Awesome car and review. I love my 2016 Scat pack 6 speed manual 392. If I was buying new today, I'd be taking home the widebody 392. Dodge hit a sweet spot here and in some ways I'd rather have it than a Hellcat.
I think u are right when u say they hit the sweet spot here. Perfectly functional, usuable power for the street. I do like the optional suspensions choices the HC offers out the gate and people seem to love their Hellcats when they trade up, but for me, I'd take a 392 widebody. The widebody flares def do a lot for the challey, but the chargers seem to benefit even more visually by adding the fender flares. Being a 4 door muscle sedan, the widebody adds a ton of aggresion to the exterior of those charger
I agree..I also have a 2016 scatpack challenger with very low miles and I'm really thinking about trading it in for the wide body..
Bought my Widebody Challenger Scat Pack in Feb. 2020..... I love it. Not too little power and Not to much power. This thing rocks. I love driving it. I use to own a magnum that I had supercharged at Petty's Garage and it had 600 rear wheel HP. I could not take off without spinning tires. I loved it, but it was too much power.
Tire and suspension definitely help putting the power down. What colour did you get? Manual? Splitter guards? Lol.
After owning a 17 Scatpack Charger , I recently bought a 2019 granite Challenger wb Scatpack 6spd w 16k mi. Gotta say that i just love this car. And was pleased as punch to find out that it did not have the 4 cyl. deactivation with the manual tranny .. Great video Brian !
Good stuff! Thanks!
I've seen countless reviews on this car. Your review was by far the best. Great shots. Simple to the point commentary. Audio was better than many others also. Great job. Subscribed!
I have to ask...who did better audio?
@@BrianMakse Nobody. Yours takes the Cake by far. Not sure what you're using to make that happen but the exhaust sounds throughout the video were perfect. Got me all screwed up. Stayed up half the night trying to find a Torred Manual Widebody for sale lol
I’ve watched this video almost half a dozen times, and absolutely love the car and the host. You have probably convinced me that I need a Scat Pack widebody.
Do it. I am an enabler. Glad you enjoyed.
Sweet! That is one of the best sounding cars ever!!
Jeff Uthoff you.should hear mine
Little fun fact for you Americans ;) I ve got an Manual 2019 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack WB here in Germany. The Reactions are incredible. This car gets way more attention than cars like Ferraris or McLarens.Thumbs up everywhere and a lot of turning heads. Mustangs are quit common here, also a few Camaros are driving around but Challengers/Chargers are really exotic. Everyone love the sound of that v8( fortunatley i could keep the stock exhaust wich is very loud for German Laws/Hellcats need an quiter (shitty) exhaust for import) especially the deep tone. For those who are interested, the Exhaustvolume was measured at 97 db(A) at 3750 rpm in a distance of 0,5 m. Thats louder for example than a Camaro SS (95db) BMW M6 (93db) c63AMG (93db) Jaguar F-Type R (96 db) MCLaren 600LT(93 db) at the same conditions.
Im so glad i get one of last American Beautys, until electric cars will kill the Muscle Car era.
I’m not American and your Dodge is made in Canada. Regardless, I’ve dreamt of driving a Challenger in Europe. That’s got to be both brilliant and difficult at the same time. I love it.
watching this while mine is in winter storage, Makes me want to pull it out. but glad to watch this great review.
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I hear ya!! I have a 2015 6 speed scat and I love it. Live in MI so starting in February I start getting really itchy to drive it. February and March are painful months!! Mine is black on black and was in the process of a 426 build by the mechanic I purchased it from. All sorts of performance stuff in it from a 274 comp cam to a 84mm Arrington throttle body, Stainless Steel long tube headers, Hellcat air intakes, resonator delete and more, High Horse Performance did the tune. Haven't dyno'd it yet but I would imagine its producing about 535-540hp. Great car!! I have had this for 3 years and prior to that a 5.7 6 speed and I have never once had a mechanical problem with either of them.
I enjoyed your review! More engaging than other car reviewers out there. Sweet ride... Wish I could afford it!
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This is the Challenger to buy. I knew it since they announced the widebody Scat Pack.. The segment of just sound clips is pure bliss.. I grew up loving E bodies and I love these new Challengers more and more.. I just wish I could afford one of these, I would have mine in Destroyer grey please!! Great video thanks so much for putting a smile on my face!
Agreed. This car is so much fun, but the temptation of the Redeye is legit. Glad you enjoyed!
The title is dead on balls accurate: the BEST.....review. Hands down.
Indeed. Every other WB Scat Pack review should be deleted.
Awesome Street Muscle Brian! I bought a Chally 392 in Hellraisin' with the ZF 8 speed a few years ago. Smiles for mile man... I got it pretty stripped down, baseline interior, no sunroof, but did get the Dynamics Package and Nav.
Great spec! Well done!
I just picked up my 2020 widebody skat pack last week, I am so impressed with this vehicle.
Congrats! Which colour and what spec?
@@BrianMakse black with black leather, 6 speed. Devil's rims. I picked it up march 20th. I absolutely love this car.
@@IMPORTSOCIETY Right on! Great spec! Congrats again!
Great review, just ordered mine yesterday with the same color combination. Went with the automatic because my wife can't drive a stick and she will want to drive it now and then. Ah, compromises, a happy wife makes for a happy life. Back to watching videos until mine gets delivered.
Congrats, Mark! You’re gonna love the car and the auto is more than decent. (My wife not only can drive a manual, but also dailies one 😎)
Great review, Brian actually sounds like a genuine car enthusiast, not a wannabe You Tuber.
Nah, some people here on TH-cam pulled my car enthusiast membership card a long time ago...
Fantastic review! As a lifetime Mustang GT/Bullitt/GT500 guy, this may be sacrilegious to say, but I could easily see myself driving that car. Love it!
This is the only true muscle car left! And this one is so much fun to throw around!
Bought the redeye 2weeks old
Both are great cars.
American engineering has come a really long way. 🇺🇸
Absolutely amazing how good these engines sound. Great video! I've heard it several times with sound full!
Thanks, J. That's why I record all the good sounds!
I bought this car in black in March 2019. Since then I have yet to see another 392 Widebody on the road....I am guessing the reason is the price point....it’s a ton of car for the money, but $50k eliminates a lot of people and competes with a used regular-body hellcat ( from a price standpoint)
Most people don't want to kick out the 6K for the WB...but it's worth every penny.
Hemi Dave agreed....if you price out the body-kit, 20x11 rims, 305 tires, hellcat/bilstein front suspension....$6k is a great deal
I bought this car with 6,000 miles on it last weekend. F8 green which is very unusual, and one of my favorite colors. I paid considerably less than $50K. Love, love, love this car.
How is it so far after almost a year??? I am almost about to buy ine
I am looking to buy a camaro 1le package or this, how does it go around turns??
What a great review. This vid really sold me and I ordered one yesterday. A White Knuckle R/T Scat Wide Body with the Shaker Package. Just got the VIN this am.
Congrats!
Like the sound better without the supercharger whine! Put some american racing headers, and flow master mufflers, or american thunder mufflers, will set the 2019 charger off 👍
This and the other review you have are undeniable the 2 best reviews of these cars on the internet. The camera and audio work, the canyon carving driving impressions and video of the car being put through it's paces really stands out. I have wanted one of these for years now and in 3 days will be picking up a new to me 2022 wide body 392 in F8 green with the 6 speed and about 3800 miles. Figured enough waiting. The time is now. No electric anything for me. This car is me giving 2 middle fingers up to our insane administration and Mary Barra at GM (and everyone else that has drank the Koolaid). Electric vehicles and climate change in general are such a hoax. Electricity doesn't produce itself. Electric cars are the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Excellent choice. You’re going to love it!
You know who’s sitting back telling the industry he told them so? Akio Toyoda. Their product strategy speaks for itself and he told the industry that there are many ways to achieve these objectives without running blindly into the EV madness.
Plus, the market is speaking for itself and EV inventories are climbing. Ms Barra herself shut down their full size EV truck production a couple of weeks ago. Not paused, but shut down.
There is some sanity on the horizon.
This glorious sounding NA engine with the manual transmission is the last of the old school muscle cars.
Indeed. And it sill looks fresh.
Brian Makse almost bought a Charger with the Scat Pack. Got a Giulia Ti instead, but I do regret missing out on that great sounding Hemi. Giulia is quick but engine is a typical soulless 4 pot turbo.
I bought this automatic, same color in March , basicly fully equiped over 54K sticker price , have 1600 miles so far and wouldn't change for any other car in this price range
This video just popped up on my feed. Starting watching all the reviews after buying my ‘21 Scat Pack Widebody Challenger 6 speed manual. Smoke show grey with black interior. I was a hardcore Mustang guy, but Dodge got this one right. Love everything about it. From the factory exhaust note, the seats, the huge brakes, the manual, the seats, and especially the torque! The car rides great, I’m not worried about the weight, I kinda like it. This is a muscle car. This is the ONLY muscle car out there. Different animal than a Coyote ‘stang. I’m in my mid 40’s and this car has the perfect mix of mean looking yet I can go out to dinner. 😂
I just Love my Challanger Widebody especially when I bring my golf clubs with me they fit right in the huge trunk, and you can always fold the back seats down if you need more room.
Adaptive cruise is not available with a manual transmission. At least I was not able to get that when I ordered my 50th Anniversary wide body. I do not see the "eyeball that should be in the middle of the lower grille in this video.
Great review Brian. I appreciate your content. Thank you.
Thanks, Martin!
Great review, awesome video and sound. This is a gorgeous car, but just so darn expensive in Canada. I always thought 392 is the only way to go if you like to actually drive your car and now the wide body option makes it even sweeter.
What kind of prices have you seen? I'm in Alberta and my local dealer had a scat pack (not widebody) for 63k.
Excellent video & review of the 2019 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack by you! Thank you for posting your video!
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Nice review. Will be ordering my 2021 Scat Pack WB shaker with 6M soon. Still debating colors. Love the GoMango!
My choice for sure. That engine sounds awesome. Pure muscle. Got to have the manual.
Glad you agree! So much fun!
Great review, I love my Scat Pack Widebody!
Manual or auto?
I ordered one in smokeshow with a manual. Should be here in a few weeks time. Can’t wait
Congrats! Enjoy!
I am looking at the 392 or a Hellcat, I think I’ve made my decision and I think it will be the 392 scat pack widebody. I believe it’s enough horsepower at 485. I believe it’s better balanced car than the hellcat. Probably $400 cheaper insurance. I think I’m gonna go put that money on a 392 R/T scat pack widebody special order today. I also was looking at the Corvette and I specked it out at $90,000 the Challenger is specked out at $65k no brainer.
I have a 2020 Scatpack Widebody 50th anniversary edition and it is Awesome.
You just can’t beat the raw power and sound of an N/A engine. !!
Truth!
I got my Challenger Scat Pack widebody December 2018 I've had it little over a year and I absolutely love !
Nice work! Got lots of miles? What colour did you get?
@@BrianMakse I've put 6000 miles in 14 months and it's my daily and I live in Michigan and the salt/snow melt looks horrible on black.
@@patrickcooper2760 Perfect car for Michigan! Except the salt!
I was checking out the new scatpacks and was surprised by the cheap checkered seats in the models that were $45K - $50K. Maybe ill wait for a certified used one with alcantara seats.
Another great review Brian. You managed to capture the emotion of the 392
Thanks, Sylvain. Dropping another review on the same car next week.
This beast looks stunning in black.
It's a fantastic handling car. and super fun....especially with a 6 speed manual gear box.
Thats how my B5 blue WB Scat pack is configured but no sunroof for me.
Thanks for showing your heal and toe technique.
MOPAR!!
Glad you picked up on that, Dave. So much fun to heel and toe this one. Looking for another excuse to test one for that reason.
Perfect car in this configuration with manual. God they don’t build them like this any more. The only thing I change is the color, may be a dark green or grey. Sinister, great noise, and did I say manual. Great review as always. Wow what a car. Ok I hate Pirellis, May be get Michelin’s 😇😎
They do still make them! Dodge makes these! The Pirellis are a key part of the package and have been engineered into the car. I’d be curious to try PS4s on this car, though.
Liked your camera work. The nice foot book and foot movement - along with view out the front window
Thanks again.
You helped me make up my mind Sir.... Thank you!!
@Brian Makes Great video as always. I have always been a mustang fan but and giving the Challenger a fair look because I just love the way it looks. I will be driving it as my fun car and want a stick. How much of a difference does this wide body make as compared to the mustang? Would you recommend the 392 over the Hellcat as in streetable fun or would you recommend going all out or going home with the hellcat? I really appreciate your help.
My Black scat pack wide-body is in transit by rail-car now. I hope it doesn't take much longer. I purchased it last Monday. I wanted to put papers on it before it hit the dealer. They are hard to get off the lot if you don't jump on them right away
Great choice! Enjoy! And take those splitter guards off!
@@BrianMakse I'm definitely excited about this one.
My favorite Challenger! Awesome review!
Excellent review
It's the best one on the TH-cams. Hope you stick around.
Should I get a Challenger or charger? I’m kinda straddling the fence. Loved your narrative!
Depends on what's important to you. Manual? That's Challenger only. Four doors or a longer wheelbase? That's Charger. Happy to help, driven all of them!
I’d get this over a hellcat and keep the spare money for track days. There’s only so much power you can put to the tarmac on corner exit
This is true, but you need to try something with sticky tires and a mid-engine...
Took my '16 Scat Pack out for a ride yesterday. Ran out through Anza and Idyllwilde from Temecula. Not many people on the road. Mine is 6spd. Shaker. Believe it or not it's more fun to drive on the back roads than my Demon. If I could give any advice would be when you decide to buy, take your time and order a manual. It's worth the 8 week wait. Just happened upon your show and subscribed. Thanks Brian.
Ha ha! Thanks. Glad you found the channel. You know the difference between the Demon and the Scat Pack! You should recognize this road, but we don’t talk about it publicly. Shhh.
@@BrianMakse lol, yeah, I thought I recognized it. Can be dangerous at times.
🔥🔥💯 Nice Video n Challenger Scat Pack
I owned a 2015 SRT Challenger manual and loved it but after driving my friends Scatpack auto I’m getting the auto next (UGH) the ZF auto is so sweet I can’t resist also owned a 2017 Manual 2SS so I’m a manual guy but the autos today are to good to pass up I never thought I’d say that. This was one sweet vid though.
Yea man that ZF auto paired up with the 392 is something special!
Im having an eargasm listening to the engines roar,. 😎👍
Glad you enjoyed.
As Shaq would say, "Nice feet work!"
Ha ha, thanks. I can’t play basketball, but I can drive.
@@BrianMakse Haha, yea.. The manual Challengers are surprisingly rewarding to drive..
Naturally aspirated is where it's at. The 392 is plenty of power for 99% of the population who aren't looking to save a second or two here or there...and you save about $35-40K vs. the top end trim/engine offering. Amazingly one could almost buy a pair of base Scat Packs (one red one black?) for the price of a totally optioned out Hellcat.
I dunno about that. Just finished with a Charger HC WB and in the real world, all of that power is quite usable.
Such a badass car. Love mine! Got the 6M Widebody in frostbite blue.
Congrats!
What's the best looking colour for a scat pack challenger ??
@@gordonallan4054 mines Granite pearl coat .Sexy as hell looking.
Freakin wicked review dude !!! How about my fav = the T / A 392 bro ?
Thanks! I think this is as close as I get...for now.
So torn between getting the SRT 392 (2018) or this beast.
Although the handling characteristics are definitely improved in the newer model, the SRT has those bells and whistles I'd lose with this model.
This.
@@BrianMakse I checked out the 2020 Challenger ScatPack Widebody - 50th Anniv. Edition at the LA auto show last Sunday.
The car is insane.
Widebody it is
I still want one!!
How mutch lighter is the scat vs the cat?
I bought a new R/T and the heated seats worked only after an hour, and the cooled seats only worked twice. The Mustang is the only car that is less quality. Took back under warrantee, but Dodge just charges a diag fee and denies the problem or flatly refuse to fix it. Dodge service is garbage. My Challenger got the most compliments of any car I've driven. Got Mustang and only got two compliments. Got two or three per week in the Challenger.
Sorry to hear that. If I still worked with Dodge, I'd be able to help you out, but I stopped working with the corporate folks a couple of years ago. Hopefully they'll read your comment.
Hi Brian. Excellent reviews.
I am a new subscriber.
Could you please do a review of the new S550 Mustang GT with the PP2 package. I almost bought a 2019 Bullitt last year but decided to wait.
I have short listed the 2020 Bullitt, the PP2 and the 2020 Challenger R/T Scat Pack wide body. All versions in manual transmission of course. What's your opinion of the PP2 vrs the other 2 models?
Or should I wait and see if Ford might bring back the Mach 1 version on the Mustang for 2021?
Thanks Brad
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I did an editorial review of the PP2 last year. I loved it. However, unless you're tracking it often, or are going to change the tires straight out of the box, I'd go Bullitt. Wonderful car. You can't go wrong with the Challenger, either, but depends on when you're looking for the muscle car or pony car experience. I couldn't predict what Ford is going to do, GT500 is definitely the pinnacle of this gen. If you're interested, we just dropped a comprehensive GT500 review this morning. Hope that helps.
@@BrianMakse Thanks for your prompt reply. Great advice.
I hope you're still watching the comments on this video, so here's the question: having driven the Scat Pack and multiple Hellcat versions of the Challenger, do you have a favorite? Or, maybe more to the point, is the Hellcat worth the extra cost, considering the limit on the shenanigans you can accomplish and not get arrested for on a daily basis? The extra power is pure badassery, but will it make a difference in my day if I can't find an open stretch of highway or lonely, twisty road? I'm going to be putting a widebody Challenger in the garage, but on a daily basis I swap between Scat Pack and Hellcat... I guess it's a good problem to have, but I'm waiting for some sort of sign saying 'This is the car you should choose'. Maybe some of the other readers have driven both as well? Insurance isn't a factor yet, but as my kids get older that might become an issue as well. Thanks for any replies!
Hey Ryan, a couple of questions. How are you going to use it and what kind of roads are you driving? Manual or auto?
Brian Makse Hey there, thanks for the reply. Definitely the manual for the trans. We have a lot of country roads around here that remind me of the roads in your video. Not tight road courses, but I’m not into top speed runs, either. I am beginning to think that I might enjoy the balanced package of the Scat over the straight line power of the Hellcat. It would be the ‘fun’ car, not a daily driver. I can still get into a lot of trouble with 485 horses. I was settled on the Scat Pack but had moments of doubt. Add to that the twin snorkel hood on the HC is not as appealing to me as the power bulge that reminds me of the 1970 AAR Cuda, so aesthetically the Scat is in the lead as well. Still, I was curious if I’d regret it forever if I didn’t consider the Hellcat. I’ve watched this video countless times and must compliment you in the effort. Sound quality, production, info, etc, are all top notch. Great product!
@@ryankrauter746 buy the scatpack. you wont regret it !
Fantastic review...subscribed!!
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Sounds glorious.
You’re welcome.
Brian, I own a 2015 Challenger R/T 392 Scat Pack with a 6 speed manual and a Mr. Norm's package. This is a "one off" custom car. it was a "show car" before I bought it. It has 3,500 miles to date. Everything about this car is customized: paint, interior, suspension, and power. Would you be interested in profiling the car?
Thanks for the offer, Rubicon. The way I'd have to drive your car would be considered abuse and I don't think that's a good idea...
@@BrianMakse i say hammer it Brian...lol
Love the Scat Pack... had to pass on buying the wide body though. For me, I'm a purist who prefers the traditional style, which gives proper kudos to the Challengers of yore. No need to buy and old one and get it restored, since the modern ones look so similar and are far better cars, anyway... the wide body may be better on the track, but those bulging fenders morph the car into something else other than a Challenger. Just my opinion.
Agreed on new vs old. After spending all sorts of time with narrow and wides, I can’t go back to narrow. To me, it looks perfect now, but I can appreciate the appeal of the narrow car.
This is the Challenger I want =)
Great video, really digging this car.
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This guy can drive drive!!
Yes, sir! Check this one out: th-cam.com/video/dJkmAFi0nI4/w-d-xo.html
Just bought this exact car except 2021 and has the bumblebee stripe
Right on! Enjoy!
Great review. Just came across your channel. Loved your format and A/V work
Cool. Thanks, Joe. Glad you enjoyed. But don’t tell us, tell your friends!
Awesome review and love how you can hear the roar of the engine throughout the video!! Have you driven a non widebody to see and feel the difference? If so what did you think?
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. I haven’t driven a narrow body in a long time. The wider track and tires make an undeniable difference with overall grip and handling.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. I haven’t driven a narrow body in a long time. The wider track and tires make an undeniable difference with overall grip and handling.
Help? Should I get the 2021 challenger Scat Pack T/A Widebody or a slightly used Camaro ZL1 as a weekend all around fun car? I have not driven either one yet but plan on test driving them both in the spring. I really like the Look of the Challenger but I like the performance of the Camaro ZL1
Drive them and buy what you like!
In the review @4:20 you mention adaptive cruise control. Yet I don't see it on the steering wheel, also no fish eye in the front lower fascia. Also wonder how that would work on a manual trans? That would be sweet if it did have it!!
I do love your review, you are definitely well versed in the suspension of the car.
I shot this over a year ago and don’t recall the reason for it. There clearly was, but I don’t remember. Thanks for watching.
The manuals don’t come with adaptive cruise control.
Freedom is a full tank with a manual V8!
Goosebomps all the time he hit the gas. This car is insane... this is my wet dream.
Ok...whatever floats your boat. Glad you like the noises he made.
Awesome review Brian ~ is this Scat manual as easy to drive as the Camaro, in terms of clutch feel & throwing the gears? That Tremec in the Camaro 1 LE is sweet...also, any thoughts on the Camaro 1LE manual having any shift problems - Ie. problems shifting into second, & sometimes, even reverse? Cheers🙏🏽
Thanks, Andy. Very different experience. The Camaro is trying hard to be a sports car, while Challenger is an unapologetic muscle car. I haven't experienced any issues with Challengers or 1LEs, but as a racing driver I'm accustomed to adapting to a given driving situation, which probably makes me a little less picky than most. I work around given problems.
HaHaHa....spoken like a true professional 🙏🏽
Did you have a chance at checking out that video on the lifter issue with the Dodge naturally aspirated automatics because of the MDS system that Dodge has, to save fuel?
@@andysen LOL. Haven't had a chance to check it out. Crushed under a pile of work this week. Wrote a fun story on a last minute assignment, editing Saturday's review, and shooting next week's review all at the same time. Oh, and my newest gopro got wrecked by rock. What a week. I'm going to check out that issue when I do get a chance.
That’s awesome ~ you are indeed a man of many talents👍🏼 Yes, as a professional race car driver, your opinion is invaluable. I’m buying a new car & love the Challenger (do want a manual for sure). Right now the Camaro SS 1LE is a close second...Mustang misses the low end torque of the push-rod engines, which I love. However, that new Mach 1 looks promising, though it will rev high, & eventually catch the Scat. Not into modding my vehicle really ~ I prefer to buy what I like stock & just have fun driving it. Cheers mate🙏🏽
You didn’t mention that the 392 makes you want to vote republican due to the pure thirst of that that bad ass machine’s noise maker
Great review. I’m definitely buying one
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What would you take? Challenger scat pack widebody or Mustang GT PP1?
Me? For the way I’d drive it? This, no question.
Is there a difference in the manual transmission from earlier models? I see differences on how the newer models shift
The forums might know.
It’s getting delivered from Illinois this week
Which spec did you get?
Thinking of trading in my 19 Rebel in on one of these.
Hey thanks for the excellent video!! I plan to buy one here in Germany and I want to pick it up with the 6 gear shifter too. The automatic in my former 2019 camaro was slow and sluggish in my opinion. Do you know if there is a cylinder deactivation with the shifter model? I still hope this is only for the automatic models (in fact my camaro had it and I hated it ... no way to turn it off). Thanks for your time!
Thanks, Baron! Glad you enjoyed this one. I don't believe the manual + 6.4 V8 combination has cylinder deactivation, but it's been over a year since I've driven one. I recently tested a Durango SRT with the same engine, but with the automatic, and it did have cylinder deactivation. It work very well at highway speeds and the engagement was very subtle, but appreciated on a long drive.
@@BrianMakse Thanks a lot! All the best for you
@@BaronSchmatz777 i have a 19 wbsp.there is no deactivation. only on automatics
picking my manual WB up tomorrow....should compliment the 2015 392 SRT... ;)
Congrats!
@@BrianMakse The widebody is so worth it! The handling is way better than my 2015 392 SRT. Hugs the road and corners way better than a car of that size/weight ever should!
I know this video is old, but is that a stock exhaust?
Yes.
@@BrianMakse thank you
Love this car but did not want to spend the extra six K for the wide body, but do wish I had the wider tires.
It’s not just the tires. You may want to watch this again.
Cool review but man when I first seen you doing the review I thought you were Matt Farrah
Think of me as Matt’s older, faster cousin. Did you catch this week’s podcast?
Hello , if you had a chance to buy a 392 scat pack . Would you wait for the new design in the next couple years or buy a 2019 brand new wide body 392?
New manual Widebody 392 today. No splitter guard.
As an experienced driver. Would you choose this or the Camaro SS 1LE? They’re both phenomenal affordable packages.
Fair question, but for what intended use?
Brian Makse Daily driver with the occasional back road driving. I’ve driven a Giulia QV (dream car) on multiple occasions, it set the standard very high when it comes to its nimbleness and directness. Do you feel a similar connection to both vehicles? With that in factor, what is more preferable to you?
@@MustafaMustafa-uy6cr The things that make the hot Giulia feel special are the excellent chassis and the quicker-than-average steering rack. Reviewed that a couple of years ago, very unique machine. The Challenger remains a muscle car with a healthy dose of handling. It sounds like you may not prefer the Challenger, but you never know until you try. You may fall in love with all of its other charms. Definitely drive one!
Brian Makse I will definitely take myself for a test drive. Thank you for responding. Looking forward to your new videos. Happy
Holidays!
Thanks. Lots of fun stuff coming up. All the best for the holidays!
Both Challenger and Charger widebody scatpack are the sweet spot of the dodge lineup
There’s also the Durango SRT.
Brian Makse your right but I didn’t mention it because it’s a different category/segment than the muscle cars discussed
Why does a manuel come in 6speed but the auto come in 8speed? Is there a specific reason u cant have 8 speed manuel?
That's a ridiculous number of gears for a manual gearbox.