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Russell Wilson was a 'monumental organizational blunder’ by Broncos | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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“One of the greatest coaches of all time” Is bananas!!!!!!
Turned it off at that point. Ridiculous.
Check the number of losing seasons, highly overrated
What has he done without Brees?
@@tonosi0290 preaching to the choir…….and quiet as it’s kept, the saints did as well as they would’ve without him. Though Dennis Allen won’t get much credit lol
exactly
How does the general manager still have a job?
Good question!
Either personal friends with ownership, or the owner's ego is too large to admit their colossal mistake in hiring him.
Not to mention trading away yet another 1st to bring in Sean Payton in effort to revive Russ
The GM brokered the trade but implored the ownership group to wait before signing him to a new contract. They probably wished they listened to him.
@@Hailtothe303who reported this again? Knew i heard of this
Don’t get wrong i am not a fan of Wilson but Chris is being overly generous when he talks about Payton. He has to take a good share of the blame. He was hired to fix Russ. It wasn’t Russ who conceded 70 points against the Dolphins. Payton is an above average coach. He’s not a great coach as Chris mentioned
Well that’s what happens when Wilson walked into the joint thinking he was the king, he lost that entire locker room the previous year. I bet the whole team threw a party to celebrate Wilson being released.
Russ was never broken. But I agree with your sentiments on Payton, and Pete Carroll for that matter. Pete finally paid the price for all of his blunders, including wasting Russ’s prime trying to recreate a lab accident. Mahomes is having the type of success most people thought Russ would have. If that second Super Bowl ends differently, the LoB doesn’t turn on Russ and they probably go on to win 3 or four rings. How differently would Russ be viewed if he had just won that second ring? He was A reason for the first Super Bowl. If they had won the second, there would have been no question that he was THE reason.
@@waynesonneman7343: I don’t think so. Russ has guys on that team who are going to miss him, and Payton has used up any “abuse currency” he might otherwise have had going forward. If he ever remotely treats another player the way he treated Russ, Payton may receive a response he doesn’t like much. He needs to avoid being PJ Carlisimo.
@@DeCurtaRicanagree about second SB. Probably worst play call I’ve ever seen. Had potential to be a dynasty and team were very young back them so could have had a few more in them. Just think Wilson is being scape goatee by Payton. Some of the media make Payton out to be the messiah but he missed play offs 3 straight years with Brees in his prime and being paid as if he has Belichicks record
agreed. Alot of these Analysts sure love to ride Sean Payton. Broncos were pretty much playoff bound after their hot streak. They then lost to the Patriots, but Sean Payton had one of the worst coaching/play calling against the patriots. Dude didn't even challenge the Guaranteed touchdowns on the goal line. Payton was run heavy the whole game til the 4th when he then wanted Russ to do something.
I like Payton but I wouldn't go so far to call him one of the greatest offensive minds of all time.
he is tho
He’s friends with Simms and Florio and it shows. He’s more overrated than anything else
Damn so when all is said and done Wilson will have made $111,000,000 just from dead cap money from both Seattle and Denver!?! That’s crazy!
Wish i could make 110 mil for doing nothing
😂😂
I’d take 10% and bf set…
I guess they all "Let Russ Cook"!
That's not how his contact works.
Sean Payton’s résumé is no better than Mike McCarthy’s, but we talk about Payton like he’s a guru.
Will Sean Payton bear any responsibility for the Broncos’ performance next season, or will that be blamed on Russell Wilson’s contract?
Blamed - he bought himself 3 years for a rebuild
I mean 88M in dead cap money is kind of a good excuse. Not one coach in history has had to build a team with that amount of dead money
@@meluvweed420420the falcons just felt with 85 million in dead money and the head coach was still fired.
The funny thing is Broncos and Payton, especially, acting like they didn't know what kind of QB Wilson is, he needs a game based on defense and running game, and let's be honest, Payton never liked him, never wanted him, never adjusted his system to Wilson, well just enough to say: I tried and he just wasn't good, is his fault
Mike needs to ask Chris to lend him his lighting man……IMHO, the current setup tends to make Mike look unnecessarily cadaverous…..
Cadaverous is my favourite word of 2024 thus far.
😂
It’s been a while and I’m forgetting.. which position did Russ play when Dolphins put up 70 on them? 😂
Not defense.
Well the way people talk up Wilson, he should have been able to score 71 and win that game so yep still on Wilson.
3 and outs all first half. watch the game
@@dlarta7265 I've seen every game he played for the Hawks. He has done 3 and out for entire first half in half a dozen games over the 9 years. I've seen Brady do the same thing. It happens. Look at his stats compared to the other starting quarterbacks in 2023. For the whole year, Wilson was a solid A-lister. He was 1st in 4th quarter comback wins. He was in the top 10 in almost all important catagories including TD/INT. And he ranked 8th in Passer rating for the enitre year despite the fact that he got benched by Payton. Any sane team that needs a starting QB should be excited to have him, particularly since he will only cost 1.7M per year for the next 2 years. No rookie draft pick is going to match that.
@@waynesonneman7343 Nope. It was his responsibility to score 71? Get stuffed.
Look at his stats compared to the other starting quarterbacks in 2023. For the whole year, Wilson was a solid A-lister. He was 1st in 4th quarter comback wins. He was in the top 10 in almost all important catagories including TD/INT. And he ranked 8th in Passer rating for the enitre year despite the fact that he got benched by Payton. He's still one of the best deep passers in the game. Any sane team that needs a starting QB should be excited to have him, particularly since he will only cost 1.7M per year for the next 2 years. No rookie draft pick is going to match that production.
If Russ would have accepted the moving of the 2025 guarantee back a year, then Sean Payton was ready to start running a lot of zone read plays with Russ for the rest of the year, but that has more injury potential.. Its what Russ can do, but the Broncs couldn't risk that...
I think you guys are very wrong about Russ. Sean Payton riding the coattails of one Super Bowl win off an elite quarterback for far too long
The Broncos and Russell Wilson: "This is one of the greatest organizational blunders in history."
The Browns and Deshaun Watson:
"Hold My Beer."
We all need people to carry water for us like Payton has Florio and Simms doing work for him.
Wilson was(by statistics) the 8th best quarterback last year. Payton is nuts to do this.
The Broncos miscalculated badly on Wilson. It's not his fault Denver was desperate enough to pay him that much money. ALL of us would've taken that multi-million-dollar deal!! 😀
Rip to all the broncos fangirls who were talking about winning a super bowl after the trade happend lmao
I'm an Broncos fan but I knew as soon as that bad trade happened....I knew we were not going any where but the bottom of the league......dumb trade.....he was not worth anything near a first rounder let alone 2
This just shows how much teams are making.
No money to build their own stadiums, though.
Love to see him staying in the division joining the raiders to spite the broncos or play in atlanta with all the weapons
What does it matter? Wilson sucks!
@@eddiewinehosen6665 OK bud 👍
If he goes to the Raiders they might be better than the Broncos but not the Chiefs and possibly not the Chargers. I think he has starting ability left in him but not on the west coast.
Nothing like seeing pettiness succeed.
Doesn't Future live in Atlanta? Might be awkward. Seems like a potentiality good football fit, though
Red zone offense was terrible that is on Sean Payton
Guess we will see what the league things of Russ over the next two years and see if SP was the demise or if Russ just wasnt very good.
It was funny. They never scored a TD after gettt a short field turnover. Most of their TDs came from full field drives
Disagree.
Redzone Offense REQUIRES the QB correctly read the defense pre-snap and make almost instantaneous decisions post snap to enable success, and Russ just ain't that guy.
@@goldenbear8250 that's exactly why they kept to the run, run, half assed play action, Russ makes a magical play. Gtfoh. They never had a good scheme that wanted to try a score. Payton just runs his schedule. No matter what side of the field
@@goldenbear8250 more instinctive player you're right but Sean Payton knew that... And a lot of the miscues at the goal line were running plays that had no chance from the outside like he didn't know who his players were
All Russell needs is a top two defense and Marshawn Lynch, and people will mistake him for a great QB again. I keep seeing comments about how Payton is a poor coach, but those commentors fail to mention that it was Payton who enabled Wilson to put up those misleadingly decent numbers in 2023. Nobody ever said you gotta be smart to be a football fan.
These guys blaming Russ for not adjusting his contract is wild...You agreed to the contract, don't blame the guy for looking out for his own interest. You made your bed now you have to lay in it
He's not being blamed for refusing to adjust his contract. He's being blamed for the gaslighting and victim-posing he did when the natural consequences of that refusal came home to roost. And that's only what we saw. It was undoubtedly going on in the locker room as well.
@@charlesfaure1189 I’m not sure what “natural consequences” means but Russ was absolutely the victim in this situation. He beat the Chiefs and then gets his playing time threatened unless he alters his contract…how is that his fault in any way?
@@charlesfaure1189 stop making excuses
both are casual racists. simms shills for his buddies. he makes excuses for kyle and bashes rg3. you see how he turned on lamar
It was his own doing that he became the victim. He expected his team to bow down to him but had no respect for them.
I can't understand the "offensive genius" title. This dude has won one superbowl almost 2 decades ago. He's the Doc Rivers of the NFL.
Please show where he's blown the equivalent of several 3-1 leads
@ced9938 well he did get suspended for a full season which is a first for a coach. The only time he's won more than one play off game is the season they won the superbowl. Both have great regular season record but under perform in the playoffs.
They had Russell Wilson Nike gear on sale in Meijer(a superstore like Target/Wal Mart/etc) in Indianapolis 😂
Worst trade in NFL history? At least since Herschel
It boils down to how bad do you have to be to have somebody pay you $85 million to NOT play for them?
He could just sprawl out on the couch, guzzling beer, burping and watching pro wrestling for all of 2024, and still get paid eight figures. Crazy!
Wow, there has been over $100+ million in dead money because of Russ. That should speak volumes in itself.
Payton scheme was more important than playing to Russell's strength
Good call on "strength" - not "strengths" - He is a one trick pony that can't hang in the league today.
I agree with you. The biggest ego in the room was Sean Payton.
Russ just isn’t that good
What strengths? Sucking bad at playing QB?
What strength, kissing babies, giving corny interviews or his fake personality?
Rodgers, Wilson, and Watson have all blown up like dynamite in the new teams face. All of those trades have set the team back many many years.
atleast browns have made the playoffs in that time span even with Watson and Chubb on ir
and their not set back at all, GM Andrew berry has been such a wizard with the salary cap
Rodger’s actually gave up what was it close to 35 million. He actually cared to help out his new team unlike washed up Wilson.
God the more you hear Simms talk, particularly after Florio “attempts” to talk football, the more you see how far and away Simms is as an analyst. Florio really doesn’t know shit. All the stuff Simms talked about and referred to and all the points he made, Florio would never and has never noticed that stuff. He watches football like a casual fan, even though he’s been a “football analyst” for over 20 years. Insanity
Sean Payton kept kicking the can down the road for the Saints when it came to the Saints salary cap issues and bailed when it came time to pay the bill. Now in Denver he has to deal with $85 million in dead cap for two seasons. This has to be one of the best examples of football karma.
5 year extension given to Russ before he ever played a snap! Now, Russ has been released, having never played a single snap of that 5 year extension!!!
There was a battle among teams to land him. Most of the press called it wrong, when they overvalued Wilson's contribution to the Seahawks and downplayed Carroll's. Wilson wasn't what most people thought he was.
So which was worse, the Russell trade or hiring a coach who refuses to coach a player that costs the team a fortune in dead money? Seems to me that the Broncos coaching highers are the crux of this whole dilemma. I hope Russ tears it up with his next team. The dude still has juice in this league.
Russ isn’t good and Payton had nothing to do with that contract
Russ can’t read a defense or pass over the middle. All he could do was run around and play sandlot football which he did well while he was young. Now he’s just a stat padder in garbage time.
The thing that most of my fellow Broncos fans forget is we lost at least 3 games because of dumb defensive penalties in the final 2 minutes of games, and also helped ourselves lose at least 2 more due to other dumb things late in games. So Russ actually could have a better record here, but like I keep saying you can't keep a small QB in the pocket and it seemed like the last half of the year they were trying to keep Russ in the pocket to negate his best skills.
The former owners got hundreds of millions more to sell the team with a QB who had a ring on the roster, and the new owners hired a big name in Sean Peyton hoping he could turn around the franchise with a GM who doesn't seem to have much of an eye for talent after Elway had no eye for talent for years outside of Justin Simmons.
Remember that Russell Wilson went to the Seahawks OWNER DEMANDING that Pete Carroll AND John Schneider be fired
Unsure if that news is true or not?
Failing Sean Payton's human test is funny... The guy that was the overseer for a Bounty System hahaha.
You haters find a way to work that Bounty Gate bullshit into every convo about the man. He didn't cheat like the Patriots did. Bounties are just performance bonuses 🥱😎
Every single team did bounty At that time period. Even your favorite team. Payton was the only one with the ball to
@@asstasticyeager5402 If that damn CTE Will Smith movie never came out and it wasn't in the news, the NFL would have turned a blind eye like they always do. I find it funny people don't think every team was doing that shit lol. The Saints were just the scapegoat.
The NFL is sanctioned violence, literally. These people talk like they're watching tennis or a night at the opera LOL!!
@@asstasticyeager5402 so he's also an idiot for being the lone bozo to get caught? Great job
@@asstasticyeager5402zero proof. You are just plain wrong.
Sean Payton is one of the greatest coaches of all time? Did he just say that? 😂
Yes and no. The former owners aquired him to get a couple extra hundred million dollars in the teams sale months later so they won, the problem is the Penners want employees like Wal-Mart employees who keep their heads down and don't bite the hand that feeds. Also from some personal things I've heard, they didnt want a black QB.
Russ is to busy praying before the play to call an audible
funniest i've read so far
You can call Russ decision a bust in hindsight but at the time, Russ was coveted and still winning a lot of games despite being "held back" by Pete. In reality, Pete was a great coach and knew how to get Russ to perform beyond his capabilities. Had Russ stayed with Pete, he would be a lock for the Hall. His two bad seasons in Denver means no yellow jacket for Russ.
I don't understand why everyone thinks Sean Payton is such a great coach consistently under achieved
Most good or great coaches produce their game plan around the skill set of their QB. He doesn’t just say here is what to do and how to do it. Even if you have never done it that way we want you to do this. Russ isn’t Drew Brees. Payton knows this. He has seen Russ play in Seattle. I think after this year coming up
Sean Payton’s seat might start to get warm. Just saying.
Sean Payton is basically Doc Rivers living off that one championship thanks to Drew Brees.
Yes Sir. Preach On This..
Brees wasnt that Guy without payton either
you don’t know ball horrible comparison
@@MrMannky oh no,, everyone says belichick was nothing without brady!! eat the dirt with Sean, cause without Brees, Payton is nothing.
And another Peyton manning playoff choke job
It’s crazy how things can go so right for one team and a total disaster for another doing the same thing. Denver vs buccaneers. Denver= expensive 2 year rentals. Bucs= one sb ring.
Let's be real here Brady is and was ten times the player Wilson was. And the bucs in 2019 could've won 11/12 games if the qb didn't throw 30 picks.
@northernbloke6787 10 times is excessive.
@@northernbloke6787 I’m was talking more about the team and the moves they made. Not the player. Denver saw wat bucs did. And thought the could do the same.
@@relaxgaming8872 Choose the wrong QB. Russ was noticeably declining his last 1-2 years in Seattle. Once Rodgers turned them down, they got desperate
@@jditrev yea they were swinging for the fences thinking they are getting him in his prime.
What nobody talks about is the fact that there is a "marriage" between the head coach and the franchise quarterback. If you don't have the right pairing, it gets really ugly. Years ago, the Bucs had an all Pro quarterback, Josh Freeman. The Bucs screwed up and hire Coach Schiano. Schiano HATED Freeman, and destroyed him and his confidence. Within the year, Freeman went from being an All Pro quarterback to being cut. Both the quarterback and the coach have to gel. If they don't, you have disaster.
LET'S RIDE
Everyone always talks about Brady being the reason for Belichick’s success. What about what Drew Brees did for Sean Payton. Payton is so overrated imo
As Packers fan I still have PTSD from 2014 loss lol
Giving up draft picks for Sean Payton was a bizarre move as well, given how much the culture of football has shifted and how ineffective authoritarian coaches are trending lately.
Listening to these rants you'd think he was terrible til I looked up his stats then I stopped watching and listing. Kenny Pickett had 6 TDs-->FFS
Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch are extremly thankful for Denver's bone-head moves to get Wilson from Seatle! They also paid a heavy price to pick Tray Lance!
Thanks for Witherspoon and the cap relief ✌️
Major Applewhite's backup was a monumental blunder!
Mean
Crazy how for 10 minutes the AFC West looked like the scariest division in the entire NFL and 3 of the 4 teams had monumental meltdowns in the front office, coaching circles, and quarterback position.
No disrespect to either of the host Sean Payton had a 70 piece put on him. That wasn't Wilson's fault. The money he signed for it wasn't his responsibility to rework. Did he say lead and offense like Brees who has one Super Bowl win and appearance while Russ has two appearances and one win. Simms let's be honest has a little bias in him and that's ok we all do but he needs or should say that upfront because he has a relationship with certain coaches and he tends to side with them despite them making mistakes
Ryan Pace and the Bears offered the Seahawks everything but the kitchen sink to acquire Wilson, lol. Carroll saved the Bears from themselves.
Look at Wilsons stats compared to the other starting quarterbacks in 2023. For the whole year, Wilson was a solid A-lister. He was 1st in 4th quarter comback wins. He was in the top 10 in almost all important catagories including TD/INT. And he ranked 8th in Passer rating for the enitre year despite the fact that he got benched by Payton. Any sane team that needs a starting QB should be excited to have him, particularly since he will only cost 1.7M per year for the next 2 years. No rookie draft pick is going to match that.
Everything you mentioned is chrome on a car. Look under the hood & you'll see his QBR # in 2023 was 50.7 - #21 in the league and worse than Joshua Dobbs (who made a heck of lot less money). That tells you how effective he was at playing quarterback.
@@robertdickson9319 It is quite clear that by this point QBR is essentially a meaningless Nerd stat.
I mean, Mahomes has a QBR of 63.4(supposedly 8th best QB in 2023) compared to Purdy's 72.8 for the #1 position? CJ Stroud was the #15 ranked QB?(way too low). Darek Carr was ranked #16?(much too high). Kenny Picket is the #27 ranked QB?(way, way too low).
Essentially, QBR is much too team performance reliant. C'mon Man! I'm sorry, the QBR stat just doesn't pass the smell test.
@@Zayphar Football in general is the ultimate team game. Every stat is reliant upon the performance of the players on your team. Purdy had a much better season than Mahomes thanks to having better receivers. Nothing too outrageous about that. Stroud isn't higher because he is not much of a runner. Carr had a better statistical year than Wilson & was sacked less often. Pickett isn't good - not sure why you think otherwise. Wilson had a good TD - INT ratio but he did not play the position well which is reflected in the QBR - regardless of whether its a "nerd" stat or not.
@@robertdickson9319 Picket's team isn't good. The Steelers have already said(before Wilson became available) that they were going to have Picket play the whole year as the #1 QB. I don't see Mike Tomlin throwing away an entire season on a hopless QB. Tomlin has said that he believes that Picket can do the job if he is given a chance. Coach after coach has come back after seeing Picket play that he has the makings of a good QB if he gets the right support and a chance.
And as I said before, both the stats and my eyeball assesment is that Wilson is still an excellent QB(when he isn't being sabotaged by Payton).
4 or 5 of their games were lost by the defense making dumb late hits, or they mismanaged the clock badly. And Russ wasn't given much to work with later in the season, can't keep a small QB in the pocket when his best skill is seeing down field and getting off on bootlegs to the outside.
i find it how ironic how underrated russell wilson became in 1 season seeing as how OVERRATED they made him his last few years in seattle. His 2nd broncos year wasnt horrible at all, is he prime russell wilson? no. BUT he played better than the media wanna admit
But if im correct, they didnt want to pay him 39 mill, so they deciding to eat 49 mill this year anyways? 😂💀...payton a piece of crap frfr
George Paton has a year to make good. He also hired Hackett.
Dallas and most of the teams in the NFL take these kinds of hits every season.
This is what happens when you trade for a QB that has gone Hollywood. Wilson got what he wanted and that was the money, after it was all in ink all the Diva cared about was his EGO.
I was grinning ear to ear when this deal was made. I’m smiling even more now. The Broncos will be paying for this for some time. That’s what you get making bad decisions to chase the Chiefs.
Let's be honest: Sean Payton's legacy is built totally on the back of Drew Brees. He's no great coach as he was only able to get one ring with one of the greatest QBs of all time. Should've had more.
Because of the cap they may go lottery ball QB with a manageable contract, a 2nd round QB pick or 3rd round pick for Fields with no bidding war, they cannot pay next year's QB a lot, I think they would like to try the lottery. Next year they could pick up a mistake and move on from Carr or Cousins, where they get a better guy cheap if the lottery ball does not work, get someone else to pay the bonus money of an older, better guy.
Trey Lance was on par with this, but SF erased the issue by winning. Denver wouldn't do that.
As a life-long Broncos fan, I would much rather have seen Payton go.
Well, you don't have to be smart to be a football fan.
@@charlesfaure1189 Same applies to HC.
Wow
Sorry Chris, Sean Payton is far from being one of the best coaches of all time. And in my mind, he is barely in the top 10 of the league now...Denver just didn't give Wilson enough to succeed... When your #1 receiver is Courtland Sutton, you are not helping a QB to succeed..
Hot Take: Cam Newton has had a better career, and historically is a better NFL QB than Russell Wilson.
😂😂😂😂😂
Golden Tate was right when comparing Stafford to Russ.
Russ is glad to be gone from Denver! The last straw was Hackett. Russ was already checked out back then. He stayed and tried it with Payton because he had no choice. But Payton knew he didn’t want Russ when he took the job. I initially thought he did until he started disparaging Russ in the media and trying to purposely lose games.
Think we’ll see Cleveland’s blunder come to light this year
A bigger embarrassment than Texas A&M buying out Jimbo Fishers contract for 75 million?
Wilson as good as he was early on…was labeled a diamond in the rough has now cost 2 teams a combined 111.6 Million dollars in cap hits from 22-25 on top of whatever else he was paid 😳 Who got the worse part of such a mega deal is the question moving forward🤔 Jimmy Johnson’s manipulation of the Vikings was a game changer but this will linger for years for sure!
He was always overrated by the mainstream media
Sean Payton is not one of the greatest coaches of all time. He has won one superbowl with a franchise QB. I would say as good as breeze was he should have had at least three SB playing in that division. He continuously screwed up the salary cap there and he is making the same mistakes in Denver. They were not going to keep Russ around if he changed his contract. Wake up guys, they wee just trying to make it cheaper.
Chris Sims' evaluation of a QB is rich
Russell played himself out of the hall of fame. If he retired that year instead of forcing a trade. He might have been a hall of famer. Crazy
Things got real spicy between Team 3 and the Seahawks, especially in those final two years in Seattle. Despite all that, both sides remained professional and orchestrated a win-win situation. Russ got a massive contract and the team received a kings ransom in assets. Sean Payton should just admit that he wanted to move on. What other Head Coach botches communication with the starting QB so badly?
The only solace I take as a Broncos fan is that Seattle has done zilch with that huge haul they took off us, Except fire their own coach of course. LOL! Which is why the H. Walker trade is still the worst in history. The Cowboys built a dynasty off that 1 player deal. The Chickenhawks ain't scarin' anybody,.
Remember that the trade was done by the previous ownership to increase the price (pump & dump) but not have to deal with the consequences. Then, you have a rookie owner give a mega-contract without so much as a single snap & 2 years left on the contract. The new ownership were suckers. Hopefully, they have learned. It's time to take the necessary steps to build a winning team. As for Wilson, Denver was never a good fit and he wanted out. He needs to find a team with a dominant run game and defense. Denver needs to rebuild.
So Sean Payton comes in Denver tells Russ “stop kissing babies”, screams at him on the sideline but now he has failed the human test by playing the game to try getting out? Simms is off on this one big time imo
So Russ has to, in his first year in a new offense, be a master at the line of scrimmage?
Walton family believed they bought a team with a franchise quarterback and they should do what I do when I buy socks that don’t fit - return them to Walmart and get my money back.
Folks Russel Wilson was at best a 3rd round pick, then the Legion of Boom won a Super Bowl and he just happened to be the quarterback. Seahawks offence was about handing the ball to Marshawn Lynch, not Russel Wilsons Arm.
Y'all acting like this guy put up Kerry Collins season numbers and just happened to win games.. It's wild.
As a Bears fan, thank you Pete Carroll for saving Ryan Pace from himself....
Ryan Pace was terrible. When they moved up to take Trubisky, my mouth dropped.
@richj011 My problem with it was why would you take a chance on the guy who couldn't beat out the other qb at NC that nobody knows
To me, it was a classic case of two personalities that didn't mesh well. Payton had to play the "I can fix him" game. I'm sure he even believed it at first, until they started working with each other.
Why should he move that vestment date? They signed the contract. Now he can find a better situation for him. Obviously he can't work with Payton. Probably best case would be a replacement starter for a playoff team who has an injured QB (because it seems like a good part of Wilson's game is off book anyway).
Russ is cooked
2nd year was decent- 1st year wasn’t great- but hackett is terrible- 2nd year is probably more reflective of where he is as a player
Let him go to ATL as a 1 or 2 year starter while they develop a QB- he may win the division once or twice- he needs to go to a up and coming team in a bad division
Hit piece he can play for the Steelers ALL DAY!
Even for 1 million I wouldn't sign a past his prime QB that is so unique in a way you have tailor your offense too. He's never been a quick passer or processor and is inaccurate when throws on time.
He can't outrun people anymore so what's left? Dink and dunk which is what Peyton had him do.
Sean Payton without Drew Brees. Denver may have blown it on the coach selection. Players don't like Payton.
Simms keeping It real 😂
Super bowl winning Sean Payton who lost to 7-9 Pete's team in playoffs,if anything Drew brees didnt even get anywhere close to another Super bowl .
Wrong
I know most of the other people in these comments seem to want to blame Sean Payton. And I'm not agreeing with the sentiment that he's the greatest Offensive Coach in history. But Russel Wilson has a big ego and he can't adjust his playstyle so that he can win consistently. On top of that I'm certain that he won't be able to do that with ANY other team. Maybe they can win, but only by adjusting completely to his playstyle, and expecting that is unrealistic.
Russel Wilson is not the Broncos problem. They have NOTHING at WR. They have NOTHING at edge rusher. They have 1 real good safety and 1 real good CB. And they have a descent Center and Left Guard. If Boles is still their left tackle he is pretty good too. They have e a highly overpaid and hugely average Right tackle. And their center is a free agent and will be leaving. And they have nothing at TE. At RB I thought they had something but he was hurt most of the year. I mean when Jerry Jeudy is your WR1, ya got problems considering that Jeudy is a massive bust.
Are we really calling Sean Payton one of the all time great coaches? LMAO. How is his track record without Drew Brees?
I really thought Russ in Denver was a match made in heaven. I don't think either of the coaches they hired were a fit for him stylistically, but he still didn't play nearly as well as I had expected. Such a disappointment.
Anyway, I think he could end up in Pittsburgh. Pretty low risk at the minimum for the Steelers, unless they insist that Pickett is the guy still 😂.
it's curious to me how these things happen. anything more than a casual football fan knew that the russ deal (as well as deshaun watson) was a horrible bit of idiocy from denver. if fans like me know it, how can a team of professionals be without a clue?
These teams are their own worst enemies. Russell made a career out of his athleticism and ability to make off schedule plays. Every single QB in NFL history that made it on athleticism fizzled out early. It is inevitable. Nobody is as fast in their 30s as in their 20s. Yet they keep paying these guys like they are in their prime. Russ was never that great anyway without the legion of boom and marshawn.
Coach70 is the blunder. They will have losing seasons for years to come. Happy with that purchase Walmart. You'll just keep raising retail prices.
The question is, what kind of game manager does Cam Newton think Russell Wilson is?