@@TheGrandmaster1 Dude. That's nothing. We were 10 people, it was waffle friday at this place and there was just one waffle left. Guess how many got to check out in the end?
No the technique is called Blending. We simply cycle around our attacker letting them go. It can be quite effective in close quarters because the attacker's momentum can send them crashing into a wall.
@@sorrenblitz805 Blending only works when you shorten it. Also, no one is going to attack to the point where they'll be thrown into a wall. It will be quick punches.
@@sorrenblitz805 So basically Aikido only prepares you to fight mentally challenged opponents? I can see the vast utility already. Anything they teach you about judging pace, footwork and positioning etc is all taught far better by other martial arts and with actual techniques attached to them as well.
lemon lad me too. I believe he has been attacked in bars. In fact, I’m friends with a couple of guys off the top of my head that would get into the whiskey and want to pick on him.
Lol its always "ove won bar or street fights" Like its never hey some buddies were getting rough with me in jest and I laid this on them and they were surprised.
Yeah, maybe because Rogan is a pussy sport practitioner and he never got involved in a real fight. You could be a real columbian drug dealer, a bunch of little wankers would still not believe it? Why? Because they never seen one.
Gigabomber But what about people who want to do martial arts, but don't want to get accumulative memory loss due to being punched in the head a couple of hours every week? (it's a legitimate question)
Both Judo and Wrestling have plenty of injuries. Not a solution. BJJ maybe, as long as you stick to rolling. But not everybody enjoys sticking their noses in other guys sweaty crotches, so that argument ends there.
Derukugi2 having done jiu jitsu for a year, 5 days a week, I've only ever found my face in someone's crotch 1 time and I tapped to end the awkwardness. But yes do your fake martial art in order to avoid touching people.
KC 98 to take advantage of easily manipulated candy asses who couldn't handle actual hard training. Don't get me wrong wrist control is great to learn as is foot work and using opponents momentum against them. But even then aikido has no sparring and the ukes all but stand still while you're doing the technique. I'd be interested to see someone modernize aikido with attacks NOT based on centuries old samurai warfare and instead apply what modern thugs are going to do
Aikido would be great if an angry person lays a hand on an Aikido practitioner. You know, one of those "tough" looking people who put their hands on someone's shoulder or grab them by the collar only to realize that their wrist is about to break and are thrown to the ground. Most real fights don't happen like MMA. It escalates when someone gets angry and starts shoving the other person or trying to put a hand on someone. That's where Aikido would come in handy.
I will acknowledge maybe it could be somewhat useful in combination with jiu jitsu or wrestling/striking. It isn't just complete nonsense. The "Turkish wrestler" is the white belt in jiu jitsu. I had a aikido convert show me a couple things after jiu jitsu class and it isn't entirely entirely mumbo jumbo, if you do the grips they know about and don't pull your arm back you can get immobilized by aikido. I wasn't defending, just seeing if the techniques had leverage.
Thug Life Nation that's why I said it'd be useful in combination with jiu jitsu or wrestling. It just has holes that need to be filled by other practices
lol we trained in aikijutsu for years and wrist locks are almost useless as far as practicality....until they grab ahold of you then its like open season. but yea in all honesty you arent going to snatch someone by the wrist when they are trying to punch you then apply a complicated wristlock like you see in a demo. However, on the ground or when they are trying to man handle you they suddenly become very plentiful
My main sensei is a pharmacist and has used his training multiple times. My other sensei is a correctional officer. They both have multiple accounts of using their training in everyday life.
I don't believe him for a second. A guy who is trying to fight you isn't going to stop simply because you do some Aikido tweak on his hand and stand next to him, that will only piss him off more.
Pro Libertate exactly, you can tell his never had a bar or street fight, it’s maybe a brief word of 2 then hands are flying. The story of “he grabbed me and next minute I was beside him” like Batman is hilarious. My guess, he’s talked about his aikido in bars and done little demonstrations to friends in there like “go to grab me like this...no here like that just right or it won’t work 🤣🤣🤣” and that has now become the fight story
Super Wukongo yeah... your “senseis” can tell you whatever they want, that doesn’t make it true. If you tried to use Akido in a “real life” scenario then you’d get your ass kicked. Period. Is it useless? For fighting, yes, but if you use it as say a form of meditation or something of that nature then you can definitely benefit.
Oh we have a tough guy here huh....... unsheathes my twin katanas Well, let's see how tough you really are!jumps into the air TAAAAKE THIIIIIIIIIIIIS spins around and slashes your face open Not so tough now, huh?????grabs you and throws you up It's time to finish this little charade holds my katanas above my head YOU ARE FINIIIIISHEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!! jumps upwards so that you get impaled on my swords Heh.... easy.....
"I've taken down countless outlaw bikers in bars... I'm like Batman.. one millisecond I'm in front of them and then one millisecond later I'm behind them and I have them screaming in pain." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
I think Joe will get submitted in 4 seconds no chance against an aikidoka . sorry to hurt your feelings but I'm an aikido yellow belt which comes right after white and I can challenge everybody who wants to try some of the angry birds sounds I can make I easily wrist lock all of you using my blind dances but need your cooperation
This guy has been attacked in barS. Multiple. The way he's talking about it makes it so fraudulent. He talked about it so passively because he's a bad liar
@@frenchtoast2319 fr, its something all these fake martial artists say lot. They act like bars are some kinda violent fight clubs and have 20+ fights go off every night.
Bullshit Aikdo is like the WWE of martial Arts. If you can get your opponent in a street fight to agree to role playing then yes it would be an effective technique.
I've trained Aikido for years, and it's not even in the same zip code as MMA. Maximum effectiveness in combat situations comes from rigorous training in striking and ground work. If I had my time again, I'd go BJJ and Muay Thai in combination...
You cant really change the past. I trained aikido for a while but have done other martial arts like judo, and now BJJ. The founder of aikido also did multiple arts (judo, sumo, karate, jiu jitsu), it was towards the end of his life that he developed it. Maybe that's the problem if they only have aikido.
Aikido is part of mma. Mma is mixed martial arts and aikido has it's part. Mma encompasses all martial arts. I'd love to see Segal vs Rogan just for shits and giggles.
Joe is 100% right. As an Aikido student of many many years (reformed) I can say for certain Aikido is BS and the apologist has not freed himself from the bamboozle of his Aikido instructor. Aikido practice is 100% dependent upon cooperation and thus provides a vastly distorted sense of ability and efficacy.
I believe there's things that can be modified or left out (people throwing or pinning with their chi), but a lot of things still work. Cross training with things like BJJ help. I think things have to evolve with time. I'm not saying to add strikes to Aikido (which you can do), but think of ways a technique can work against a boxer or a grappler. There's a bunch of ways to get an armbar on BJJ, there's other ways to enter your Aikido locks and throws.
Chris....all true perhaps but all you are basically saying, at the end of the day, is that Aikido can be made to work if you do something other than Aikido.m :-) A sentiment I agree with completely.
Most Aikido variants focus on flexibility and conditioning instead of combat.But some, in particular "Real Aikido" - a Serbian variant - do focus on combat and are more suitable to street fighting.
Who you gonna believe, a guy that looks like Rogan, or a dork that looks like the other guy? LMAO! That nerd fighting someone at the bar? Holy shit that kind of misguided confidence is so dangerous.
Are you kidding? You haven't been around much, if you think you can look at a guy and know he doesn't know how to handle himself. People will surprise the fuck out of you on that one. Be careful.
I wish he would have called him out on that bullshit. "Someone grabs you in a bar and before they know it I'm standing next to them and they're not interested in attacking me anymore because their wrist is in pain or they're on the ground." This guy has never been in a fight in his life.
So yeah, here's the thing... nerds still need self defense. Take me for example. I am a short girl, and more importantly, I am a massive wimp. My dad sent me to Aikido lessons when I was a kid because I wasn't even aggressive enough for Judo. I hate hitting people, but Dad managed to pitch Aikido as a form of dance. (Better than ballet, he said. Dad is cool.) For me, the real self defense skill in Aikido is learning how to fall, and how to simply *not to be there* when someone attacks you. If a trained MMA fighter came after me, LOL HAHA I would be screwed (and honestly how many of these commenters wouldn't be?), but at the same time, I might actually be able to minimize my own hurt by falling correctly and following the other person's momentum. In no world would I get to the point where I could use actual techniques. But honestly that's not the most important part about Aikido, the most important part is learning how to cooperate with someone else's force without being completely controlled by it. SO I think its pretty funny that that cooperation is what all the MMA guys knock Aikido for, when its actually the most important lesson you can get from it for your average schmuck like me. I've never been in a real fight, because honestly best case scenario for me is not to be in a fight. But... I have occasionally put people in joint locks when they got too presumptuous. People don't expect it from someone as unassuming as me, which can make it possible to put them in one. Amazing how a little bit of pain and the threat of breaking someone's wrist will make them remember the meaning of the word "no" real fast.
@blah blahsheep But you can achieve the same results with only a high-pitched voice while screaming for help. You could consider doing other sports now btw.
I believe this guy. I saw him fight Jordan Borroughs at a bar. Borroughs constantly tried to shoot his power double, and this guy just stepped aside. It's insane
"Aikido just doesn't" - Words to live by. I consider myself to be a BJJ and Muay Thai novice, but I promise you, I'd still beat the shit out of the nerdy dude if he tried to use Aikido against me.
@@seansy1987 no it doesn't, an mma fighter learning aikido is only teaching themselves bad habits. Wrestling, boxing, muay thai, bjj. It takes many years just to master one of these, let alone all four, so why waste time on some phoney martial art that doesn't work?
I think the problem with a lot of these "Traditional Martial Arts" is they don't do full sparring. They develop all of these fancy techniques without ever using it in a real fight.
Feel free to toss out 100s of years of martial arts development? You realize one of the major flaws of aikido at it's original core is that it *hasn't been developed since it's inception*. You have some "Street Aikido" guys but the tradionalist are against it. The reason BJJ is so effective is because it took things from Judo and Sambo. Wrestling improved by taking things from BJJ. I'm not sure if aikido can even be considered a martial art. It's designed to stop a fight from happening to begin with. I've learned some of the techniques and I find it impossible to apply them in a ring. I'm not saying it's totally useless, but it should never be one's base. For example I can see bouncers making great use of it.
I have only limited experience in martial arts, I am pretty bad. But it's good that you put "traditional martial arts" in quotes. Traditional martial arts are about killing or at least defeating your enemy. Traditional okinawa karate was a bunch of tough guys drilling in para military units. If we really look at the term and the reality of it, it was not just Asian empty hand combat. Martial arts comes from the Roman God Mars, all skilled fighting is martial arts. A roman with his gladius, a Samurai with his yumi and katana as a side weapon, a karateka with his hands, a medieval knight with his polearm and sword as a sidearm, That is martial art we have to look at historical reality.
We don't spar, we have attack lines and gauntlets that develop our practical applications for real attacks. This includes weapon defenses and lights out attack lines. The entire class revolves around developing the ability to defend yourself from practical attacks built from classical foundations. The average mugger doesn't know Gracie jiu-jitsu.
This guy just doesn't get it. Aikido may work against a unskilled fool who is throwing his weight and momentum at you, but against a boxer, kick boxer, or even hard style Karate fighter they won't stand a chance
I respect the old fighting fighting techniques. Being that I've been learning Kei shin Kan my whole life and the fact that Japanese Karate was developed using those Chinese fighting styles, I can help but to love Kung fu. With that being said there is a reason do don't ever see a wing Chung fighter in MMA, they would get their asses fucking beat.
I think some of the moves from aikido are extremely useful. For example kote gaeshi. But having aikido as your only martial art is no good. I like using this analogy. A primary martial art being BJJ, Judo, Okinawan Karate, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc. is like a steak on a plate. Then a secondary martial art (lets say you learned BJJ then you want to learn Muay Thai) is like the vegetables. Then desert is something like aikido. You dont need it, but it really completes the meal. Now if your entire meal is just desert, then you're screwed for putting something you know is not nutritious as your only food.
Why does a meal have to have dessert? If you have bjj and Muay Thai knowledge, why not add boxing to that? Or Dutch kickboxing? Or judo? Or Greco Roman wrestling? Or Sambo? All much better in practice that aikido.
I love how the guy kept adding all sorts of variables to try and validate his argument that Aikido is a useful Martial Arts. If he was drunk, in a bar, on an airplane, in space.. I'd just step to the side if he tried to shoot for a double leg because I don't get drunk at bars.
I did Aikido for over 2 years and I can tell you it's worth very little in the real world. I learned so much more about how to defend my self in only a couple of months of MMA classes.
I did Aikido and Taekwondo for 2 years and didn't come out of it thinking I knew how to defend myself. A lot of it is simply impractical to apply on the streets or in a real fight. A person will not let you throw or kick them and will move forward aggressively until you're on the ground or beaten to a pulp. If you're not being taught how to strike, box, spar or grapple then you're basically wasting your time.
Onder I agree, my parents put me in TKD at the age of 4, did that until around 21, I just discovered BJJ about 2 years ago at the age of 26. I really feel like I've been robbed of practical martial arts training for the majority of my life.
Joe Rogan is absolutely right, I had taken aikido for 11 years only one technique worked on the street and that was a straight arm to the other guys face. The best thing I got from training was meeting the girls at the dojo.
Aikido has so much in common with real fighting as chess do have with real war. 6:26 "There is incredible benefit in learning to use your body ...". Yoga does this too. But yoga does not give you false feeling that you can win a fight therefore it does not put you in troubles.
The guy’s even employing aikido in conversation. “I just sidestep that valid point and hold it hostage over here without hurting, refuting, or even engaging it.”
THIS is how you have a debate. Regardless of your opinion, keeping a cool, calm, civil disposition while presenting opposing opinions... bravo gentlemen
I just finished a beginner's aikido class. I've done martial arts on and off my whole life. I know I'm not much of a fighter. Just someone who enjoys the workout. This class kept pretending like they were teaching fighting instead of dancing. And it worried me. I've lived in a lot of rough neighborhoods. Nobody gets their ass beat worse than the guy who doesn't know he's already beat before he starts shit. I'm worried some of these other people will leave the class thinking they know how to fight, escalate a situation, and find out that what they learned was a lot closer to square dancing than combat preparedness.
Not that I have a problem with Joe Rogan, and Steven Segal. I would like to see Segal and Rogon throw down in the octagon. Just to for the hell of it... haha
Hahahaha i Am sure seagal would be totally embarrassed when joe rogan doesn't help him to follow Aikido mlves XD rogan would totally destroy the asshole seagal
Aikido works really really well in everyday life. I took Aikido for almost 2 years and I have to say that it gave me an amazing ability to flow through crowds, and gave me a heightened awareness in my interactions with people.
@@mercilessundead6306 Yes and no. . .I think it depends on one's intentions. When being brutally attacked by a trained MMA expert Aikido does not fare well. When trying to lift others up to a higher state of being. . .Aikido works wonders.
@@ZiplineShazam That doesn't make it ineffective though. Remember that literally 0% of people in existence are trained MMA experts. 90+% of people have never been in any sort of physical altercation... let alone actually trained in any form of hand-to-hand combat. Which would make Aikido effective 95+% of the time.
aikido is a skill like salsa dancing is a skill, bjj is good as a sport in a controlled environment , both don't work well against multiple attackers or attackers with knives or guns or even sucker punches or glassings at a bar. Best learn to avoid confrontation .
Eternal Cycle Rider the reality is that nothing works well against multiple attackers, it's a matter of getting the fuck out of dodge or putting yourself in a situation where their weight of numbers isn't going to be as effectual (back to the corner or a wall if you can't escape)
Bloods During light sparring you don't get hit in the head? Hmm. When I tried "light sparring" with an amateur boxer, protective gear and all, I got knocked on the head pretty hard.
That's under the assumption that you can knock out multiple attackers, which is fucking silly. Only real way to survive an attack like that is to leave the scene as soon as possible.
PJ Rivera He never said it can't be done, but to assume that YOU can is ridiculous. It just adds to the very thing Rogan was rallying against here. People, whether it be television or a shitty fake martial art, develop these unrealistic ideas of what they can do in particular situations. You're not that 1 in a million on TH-cam taking out the whole bar, but much more likely you're the one we read about in the newspaper after 3 dudes cave your skull in with their Converses behind a bar dumpster. There's my PSA for the day.
Aikido was a style developed for a sword. Since no one really fights with a sword now a days the styles more for exercise. Not for real life engagements. At least not anymore.
Just a heads up, that you're confusing it a bit: Aikijujutsu (which Aikido is primarily based on) was developed to fight against a sword. Aikido kept some of those techniques, but primarily Aikido is trained against unarmed attacks - though it also varies from style to style (Yoshinkan has almost no weapon training, Iwama still has a bunch).
I practiced aikido for 13 years after 6 months of one to one Muay Thai training and although I never became a master of either art, I would always revert to using what I learned from Muay Thai rather than aikido. I believe that Aikido is very good for what it was initially intended and that earlier Japanese practitioners were much more adept to using it for self defence than today's aikidoka. My view on MMA is how can this not be better for self defence if the practitioner is learning the best or most effective techniques from multiple fighting styles.
I’m a reconnaissance Marine. I’m a Ranger school graduate. I’m a combat veteran. I’ve deployed. I’ve been drunk in some of the seediest violent bars in the world and… I’ve never been attacked in a bar. You’re telling me this dork has been in bar fights? WTF? He just watched a lot of movies.
The ones that annoy me the most personally are the ones who actually believe they can disarm a gun wielding assailant before they can fire a shot. Just plain delusional.
the problem with soft style martial arts like aikido isn't the martial art but the tendency for its practictioners to be overly academic and to not practice it in resistence scenarios with people who have different style training. its true that class time isn't the time for resistance training, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't spend extra curricular time doing resistance training. too many soft style practictioners treat it like puzzle solving and not like tools you will have to use while someone who is strong and fast is causing you agony. this is coming from an aikido practicitioner who actually trains out side of class with peopele who different martial arts. any martial art is shitty if you don't also train by actually fighting people.
He's really not. It's actually interesting to see how deluded Rogan is on this. He's applying competitive fighting philosophy to a style that was never competitively viable to begin with. Aikido is designed for one thing and one thing only, self defense and against an average person who intends to do you harm it is intensely effective, but when debating training Vs training it comes down to the practitioner's skill, One technique is all it takes to tip a fight towards a particular favor. The style of Aikido I train in encourages the adaptation of other arts into it at more advanced levels including ground combat. I should mention that there are also quite a few different styles of Aikido that focus on different philosophies of self defense and some are more "traditional" and rigid than others. My sensei regularly tries to hold workshops with other sensei from other arts, we even had some Gracie jiu-jitsu training not too long ago. One thing to remember is that Aikido isn't meant to go out and seek a challenger to test your skill. Aikido is meant to be there when you've been attacked. One of my Sensei's first degree black belts is a correctional officer who often admits to having used his training in his work.
Every Aikido demonstration upset me becuase the guy that's attacking the Aikido fighter doesn't attack like anyone would in a Street Fight or anywhere elss so it makes Aikido seem useless
The guy with glasses is a perfect example of your average aikido partitioner, they love to talk about what aikido COULD do to someone but they never have been in a fight so they wouldn’t actually know.
I think aikido is a beautiful martial art. But really more the art aspect of it i mean the thing you're learning in aikido is as this guy is saying learning your body and how it moves. I practice aikido myself and i will be honest no it doesnt work in a real life or sparring situation but it gives you advantages on how to use your body and im not saying that this will give you the advantage in a fight not at all. If you want to learn how to fight dont do aikido, if you want to practice a martial art just for fun then i recommend doing aikido. Aikido is fun but if you want to beat people up do MMA :P
Question here. Did the aikido guy decide after this talk to add grappling lessons to his game? Ive been doing bjj for 6 years now and i would be scared to death to fight anyone, regardless of hundreds of hours of rolling time along w some tournament experience. I know i need to add standup and clinch, even if its only months of work. Never drink the koolaid on any martial art. Train a bunch of them, and fall in love with at least one.
I wrestled from age 6 to 18 (freestyle and greco) and I also have been kickboxing for about 15 years. I took a bjj class back in college and we had a black belt in aikido in class that talked a lot of shit and even tried to correct the instructor. He got repeatedly submitted while rolling around with the yellow belts in the class, but he wouldn't stop talking shit. He said that his training meant that a fight would never actually go to the ground. I volunteered to spar with him so he could show us how it was done. It was pretty clear that he didn't know what the hell to do when I didn't come straight at him. I'd circle him and he'd step back, I'd fake a shot or a kick and he'd step back. Eventually he was backed up to the wall and that is when I moved in for the clinch. He tried a wrist lock on me, which I immediately slipped, since wrist control and breaking grips is one of the first things you learn in wrestling. Once we got locked up he clearly had no fucking idea what to do. I got behind him with a simple duck-under and then I suplexed him. I wish I could say that he stopped talking shit after that, but despite that and all the times he was submitted by other people in the class he just kept acting like an arrogant asshole. He did refuse to train with me for the remainder of the semester though, which I was grateful for. Based on that whole experience I gotta agree with Rogan on this. A martial art that relies on your opponent not knowing how to fight and/or resist your technique is not an effective martial art.
Joe should bring him to the gym and show him just how useless his aikido is. He wouldn't even have to do it himself. U could get a blue belt half his size and he would tap him in less than a minute. Any martial art that doesn't spar against other trained resisting opponents isn't worth a fuck. Not sure why ppl still argue otherwise. U can't get good at fighting without fighting.
Aikido has a beautiful philosophy but reality says you need MMA. Aikido is like taking a butter knife, thorny flowers and a poem of peace to a AK47 & rocket launcher fight.
The guy debating rogan is a prime example of someone who practices this stuff and is self deluded! you can tell he doesn't like to get down and dirty and actually spar in real life as is what it takes to actually get good at fighting (unfortunately). This stuff offers him the chance to be an Alpha male at least in his mind! but with an easier route to it, truth is, not everyone is an Alpha male and theres no easy route to becoming one. Alpha's accept being punched in the face, getting their limbs snapped etc far more easier than the rest of us.
yeah man i agree! I'm just saying not everyone can be a badass....however thumbs up to those who grind it out in the gym sparring.... actually practicing fighting...not dancing not play along.
Something like Aikido is just art - it's like ballet or something, it's finely honed to look good, it's something you can learn and put on a show using. You can become massively skilled in it, you can study it your entire life if you want. What it isn't is a martial art though, it's just for show.
that's facts mate I tried to explain that to a mcdojo aikido enthusiast and practitioner and they didn't believe me when I said boxing, bjj and wrestling were sports that work and have been able to stand the test of being legitimate
I wanna go to one of these Aikido things. There's one in Burbank I think, and when tickles my elbow and says "hey you need to do a back flip" I'd just be like Yeah no
Akido is just a very artistic form of jujutsu. Security guards and police use these kind of wrist locks and techniques as their mainstays, supplemented by judo, against dangerous adversaries. It is simply not true that these techniques don't work against real opponents in real fights. Wrists locks are a very effective way to end a conflict instantly, especially for big guys.
There are different fighting styles that's what makes martial arts very unique because of the different forms it teaches a person about discipline honor respect wisdom love
An Aikido guy once trained in our gym. That day, we were training defense. How to block punches and kicks and how to stop takedowns. The Aikido guy was perplexed after the training as he mentioned that it's not ideal as he said that he was already trained not to get hit even against multiple attackers.
When this guy said he's been in bar fights he meant he's been in arguments at the omelet bar at the hotel.
I've seen an argument at a hotel omelet bar get utterly crazy with some really insane bad dudes and 14 people died in the melee that ensued.
He secretly flipped off a Guy driving to work... LoL
@@TheGrandmaster1 Dude. That's nothing. We were 10 people, it was waffle friday at this place and there was just one waffle left. Guess how many got to check out in the end?
Vinny Rossi his hand was under the window 😂😂😂
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That bald dude totally looks and sounds like somebody who would train Aikido lmao
Thanks m8
He has a strip mall black belt...
you do realize both of them are bald
technically yes, so the statement is subjective
He's actually a neuro-surgeon which doesn't help his case much
"He would want to grab me, but I just wouldn't have been there."
Ah, yes-- the high level Aikido technique of hiding in your car.
No the technique is called Blending. We simply cycle around our attacker letting them go. It can be quite effective in close quarters because the attacker's momentum can send them crashing into a wall.
@@sorrenblitz805 Blending only works when you shorten it. Also, no one is going to attack to the point where they'll be thrown into a wall. It will be quick punches.
Super Wukongo somebody needs to beat your ass
Super Wukongo
That’s one of the funniest comments I have read.
@@sorrenblitz805 So basically Aikido only prepares you to fight mentally challenged opponents? I can see the vast utility already. Anything they teach you about judging pace, footwork and positioning etc is all taught far better by other martial arts and with actual techniques attached to them as well.
the aikido dude would make a great boxer. he pivots every time Joe brings up a criticism of aikido.
I am ded
@@yourmomcallsmedaddy7274 lel
Comment of the decade.
Actually he is the epitome of a demonrat
Joe needs a mat, in studio, so he can shut stuff like this down on site.
But according to this guy, Aikido is only good for fighting untrained drunkards.
He does
I want to see the side kick on this guy
one leg kick and ol' boy is done
I agree. It honestly would have been fun to see Joe debunk it in person and physically. Debate ends there.
*grabs your wrist*
*teleports next to you*
Nothing personnel, kid.
Epic Memer omae wa shinderu
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"I'd step aside" lol Why didn't anyone think to do that when GSP was shooting in on them......
@Tino Gisondi Tino, I told you to stay on your meds! Get off the TH-cam and take them! A good night of sleep will help also.
@@davidbaron9355 Aikido is fake garbage and I'd murder and Aikido master with 0 training.
Its literally the real life version of "jiu jitzu doesn't work on me I'd just stand up"
@@jamesmol3634 **Derrick Lewis has entered the chat**
Remember when Gsp was almost submitted by that judo guy the techniques he used are the same in aikido
If only Khabib’s opponents would’ve thought of that “I’d step to the side” technique. This guy’s a genius😭😂
True, none of khabibs opponents reached that level of genius
On goddddd I’m 2 yrs late to dis but aye SLIDE TO THA LEFT SLIDE TO THE RIGHT 🤣🤣
I wanna learn this “I’d step to the side” technique!
This guy is going to come in and dominate the UFC, just wait and see. He is fully prepared to do 5 rounds of stepping aside.
They just had bad side-step technique lmao
"I've been attacked in bars"
Sure you have buddy, sure you have.
Erik Högman This cracked me up so much. Ahhhh thank you man.
Sometimes the funniest stuff is the simplest.
lemon lad me too. I believe he has been attacked in bars. In fact, I’m friends with a couple of guys off the top of my head that would get into the whiskey and want to pick on him.
Dude never been to a bar
LOL they always have stories
Lol its always "ove won bar or street fights"
Like its never hey some buddies were getting rough with me in jest and I laid this on them and they were surprised.
that bar story was complete bs and rogan was like “right...” too lmao
Yeah, maybe because Rogan is a pussy sport practitioner and he never got involved in a real fight.
You could be a real columbian drug dealer, a bunch of little wankers would still not believe it? Why? Because they never seen one.
Yeah it was a lie
Adramalech what?
@@adramalech3385 You're an idiot lmfao.
@@adramalech3385 are you still cooked my friend?
Aikido doesn't have genuine sparring. The argument ends there.
Gigabomber Yeah if sparing was done in more Aikido dojos the martial art would be on par with MMA,kick boxing and the other mainstream martial arts.
Gigabomber But what about people who want to do martial arts, but don't want to get accumulative memory loss due to being punched in the head a couple of hours every week? (it's a legitimate question)
You take BJJ, Judo, Wrestling..
Both Judo and Wrestling have plenty of injuries. Not a solution. BJJ maybe, as long as you stick to rolling. But not everybody enjoys sticking their noses in other guys sweaty crotches, so that argument ends there.
Derukugi2 having done jiu jitsu for a year, 5 days a week, I've only ever found my face in someone's crotch 1 time and I tapped to end the awkwardness. But yes do your fake martial art in order to avoid touching people.
The goal isn't face to face combat? So what's the point of it? To walk around in a dress?
KC 98 To start your own cult in your own neighborhood
To give you false confidence without making you sweat for it, even karate McDojos would make me break a sweat but not the local Aikido dojo.
KC 98 to take advantage of easily manipulated candy asses who couldn't handle actual hard training. Don't get me wrong wrist control is great to learn as is foot work and using opponents momentum against them. But even then aikido has no sparring and the ukes all but stand still while you're doing the technique. I'd be interested to see someone modernize aikido with attacks NOT based on centuries old samurai warfare and instead apply what modern thugs are going to do
Agreed, someone should make a "kyokushin" version of Aikido.
Aikido would be great if an angry person lays a hand on an Aikido practitioner. You know, one of those "tough" looking people who put their hands on someone's shoulder or grab them by the collar only to realize that their wrist is about to break and are thrown to the ground. Most real fights don't happen like MMA. It escalates when someone gets angry and starts shoving the other person or trying to put a hand on someone. That's where Aikido would come in handy.
Watching the jiu jitsu white belt tap an aikido instructor back to back in about 30 seconds is the end of the argument.
William Wright results speak louder than opinions and arguments.
you are correct.
I will acknowledge maybe it could be somewhat useful in combination with jiu jitsu or wrestling/striking. It isn't just complete nonsense. The "Turkish wrestler" is the white belt in jiu jitsu. I had a aikido convert show me a couple things after jiu jitsu class and it isn't entirely entirely mumbo jumbo, if you do the grips they know about and don't pull your arm back you can get immobilized by aikido. I wasn't defending, just seeing if the techniques had leverage.
Thug Life Nation that's why I said it'd be useful in combination with jiu jitsu or wrestling. It just has holes that need to be filled by other practices
Lasse Barr funniest story. and your instructor sounds like a hilarious dude.
lol we trained in aikijutsu for years and wrist locks are almost useless as far as practicality....until they grab ahold of you then its like open season.
but yea in all honesty you arent going to snatch someone by the wrist when they are trying to punch you then apply a complicated wristlock like you see in a demo. However, on the ground or when they are trying to man handle you they suddenly become very plentiful
"I wouldn't let him tackle me."
Yeah...because everyone who gets tackled LET it happen.
"I've used this in bars", lmfao no one else believes him do they?
The guys the kinda guy who goes into a bar and sits alone in the corner being ignored by women
My main sensei is a pharmacist and has used his training multiple times. My other sensei is a correctional officer. They both have multiple accounts of using their training in everyday life.
I don't believe him for a second. A guy who is trying to fight you isn't going to stop simply because you do some Aikido tweak on his hand and stand next to him, that will only piss him off more.
Pro Libertate exactly, you can tell his never had a bar or street fight, it’s maybe a brief word of 2 then hands are flying. The story of “he grabbed me and next minute I was beside him” like Batman is hilarious. My guess, he’s talked about his aikido in bars and done little demonstrations to friends in there like “go to grab me like this...no here like that just right or it won’t work 🤣🤣🤣” and that has now become the fight story
Super Wukongo yeah... your “senseis” can tell you whatever they want, that doesn’t make it true. If you tried to use Akido in a “real life” scenario then you’d get your ass kicked. Period. Is it useless? For fighting, yes, but if you use it as say a form of meditation or something of that nature then you can definitely benefit.
**unsheathes katana**
heh, nothing personal kid **teleports behind you**
Nazi Frog lmao
Lol. I love comments like these
this guys a fucking weaboo hahaha
Oh we have a tough guy here huh....... unsheathes my twin katanas Well, let's see how tough you really are!jumps into the air TAAAAKE THIIIIIIIIIIIIS spins around and slashes your face open Not so tough now, huh?????grabs you and throws you up It's time to finish this little charade holds my katanas above my head YOU ARE FINIIIIISHEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!! jumps upwards so that you get impaled on my swords Heh.... easy.....
**it was a hologram**
NCAA division 1 wrestler? A bad high school wrestler could take these aikido nuts down with ease
Middle school
@MeatorDragon more like 30 secs
@@connors2388 10 seconds or less.
A drunk guy whos never trained anything would take an aikido guy. If anything training aikido just makes you less effective at fighting.
My sister who does yoga can probably take him down
"I've taken down countless outlaw bikers in bars... I'm like Batman.. one millisecond I'm in front of them and then one millisecond later I'm behind them and I have them screaming in pain." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
ya right keep dreaming buddy! what a joke ! you wouldn`t last a second pal!
Hahahahahahah!!!
"A lot of people have ideas in their head of what is possible." Very well said, Joe.
“I wouldn’t let that guy tackle me. I would just step aside.”
Yep, apparently that's all it takes, people need to use that on Khabib. Just step aside.
Damn how come nobody ever thought of that
Joe never schools his guests like this anymore, i miss it
Exactly. I think he doesn't believe such people on now tok
adorable cheetah now he’s like “interesting”
sell out giving false medical advice
@@frenchtoast2319nah, I think that he doesn’t school people on things he’s not an expert at. He’s an expert on this.
These two should spar.
12B0692 rogan would knock his ass out with a spinning back kick
I think it's more likely joe would take him down and put him in a twister until he cried
I think Joe will get submitted in 4 seconds no chance against an aikidoka . sorry to hurt your feelings but I'm an aikido yellow belt which comes right after white and I can challenge everybody who wants to try some of the angry birds sounds I can make I easily wrist lock all of you using my blind dances but need your cooperation
12B0692 The Aikido guy would easily have the advantage. Wherever Joe is he just won't be there
+Shane Durnin lmao I'm done
Joe's face when he mentioned the "bar fight" lmao
Joe Rogan: "you'd be able to keep them away from you?"
Aikido Guy: "For longer than that guy yeah."
Joe Rogan:"Ahahaha"
ROFL
I debated this with a work friend who had practised Aikido & he was so offended, I could feel him wanting to fight me.
You would have beat his with one hand, trained or not.
I just wouldn't be there lol
Scott Faddis lmao!
i fken lolled
I would just step to the side
Which, as we all know, takes aikido training.
i would be self controlled by the side of Cain Velasquez while his wrist is in pain.
This guy has been attacked in barS. Multiple. The way he's talking about it makes it so fraudulent. He talked about it so passively because he's a bad liar
Crying Ocelot almost no one gets attacked in bars lol
@@frenchtoast2319 fr, its something all these fake martial artists say lot. They act like bars are some kinda violent fight clubs and have 20+ fights go off every night.
whoever the bald guy is, I'm willing to bet the bar story is made up to a T.
I'm willing to bet pretty much everyone who has watched this video is thinking the same thing, with the exception of people like that guy.
Johnwaynelsd25 They’re both bald
Bullshit Aikdo is like the WWE of martial Arts. If you can get your opponent in a street fight to agree to role playing then yes it would be an effective technique.
Joe actually took it easy on this guy.
I've trained Aikido for years, and it's not even in the same zip code as MMA. Maximum effectiveness in combat situations comes from rigorous training in striking and ground work. If I had my time again, I'd go BJJ and Muay Thai in combination...
Why tf did you train this.But I agree muay thai and wrestling(ground game included)is pretty much all you need.Elbows and knees are just brutal
You cant really change the past. I trained aikido for a while but have done other martial arts like judo, and now BJJ. The founder of aikido also did multiple arts (judo, sumo, karate, jiu jitsu), it was towards the end of his life that he developed it. Maybe that's the problem if they only have aikido.
Aikido is part of mma. Mma is mixed martial arts and aikido has it's part. Mma encompasses all martial arts. I'd love to see Segal vs Rogan just for shits and giggles.
Bjj and muay thai is a nice combo, personally i like boxing and wrestling the most
@@seansy1987 Rogan would smoke him like a freshly caught salmon brother
Joe is 100% right. As an Aikido student of many many years (reformed) I can say for certain Aikido is BS and the apologist has not freed himself from the bamboozle of his Aikido instructor. Aikido practice is 100% dependent upon cooperation and thus provides a vastly distorted sense of ability and efficacy.
I believe there's things that can be modified or left out (people throwing or pinning with their chi), but a lot of things still work. Cross training with things like BJJ help. I think things have to evolve with time. I'm not saying to add strikes to Aikido (which you can do), but think of ways a technique can work against a boxer or a grappler. There's a bunch of ways to get an armbar on BJJ, there's other ways to enter your Aikido locks and throws.
Chris....all true perhaps but all you are basically saying, at the end of the day, is that Aikido can be made to work if you do something other than Aikido.m :-) A sentiment I agree with completely.
Did you drop your Aikido classes?
Most Aikido variants focus on flexibility and conditioning instead of combat.But some, in particular "Real Aikido" - a Serbian variant - do focus on combat and are more suitable to street fighting.
I have watched "real Aikido" video and I am not impressed. It is just souped-up, aggressive demonstrations -- we can do that too.
Who you gonna believe, a guy that looks like Rogan, or a dork that looks like the other guy? LMAO! That nerd fighting someone at the bar? Holy shit that kind of misguided confidence is so dangerous.
Are you kidding? You haven't been around much, if you think you can look at a guy and know he doesn't know how to handle himself. People will surprise the fuck out of you on that one. Be careful.
I wish he would have called him out on that bullshit. "Someone grabs you in a bar and before they know it I'm standing next to them and they're not interested in attacking me anymore because their wrist is in pain or they're on the ground." This guy has never been in a fight in his life.
4:58 Rogan be like....
So yeah, here's the thing... nerds still need self defense. Take me for example. I am a short girl, and more importantly, I am a massive wimp. My dad sent me to Aikido lessons when I was a kid because I wasn't even aggressive enough for Judo. I hate hitting people, but Dad managed to pitch Aikido as a form of dance. (Better than ballet, he said. Dad is cool.) For me, the real self defense skill in Aikido is learning how to fall, and how to simply *not to be there* when someone attacks you. If a trained MMA fighter came after me, LOL HAHA I would be screwed (and honestly how many of these commenters wouldn't be?), but at the same time, I might actually be able to minimize my own hurt by falling correctly and following the other person's momentum. In no world would I get to the point where I could use actual techniques. But honestly that's not the most important part about Aikido, the most important part is learning how to cooperate with someone else's force without being completely controlled by it. SO I think its pretty funny that that cooperation is what all the MMA guys knock Aikido for, when its actually the most important lesson you can get from it for your average schmuck like me. I've never been in a real fight, because honestly best case scenario for me is not to be in a fight. But... I have occasionally put people in joint locks when they got too presumptuous. People don't expect it from someone as unassuming as me, which can make it possible to put them in one. Amazing how a little bit of pain and the threat of breaking someone's wrist will make them remember the meaning of the word "no" real fast.
@blah blahsheep But you can achieve the same results with only a high-pitched voice while screaming for help. You could consider doing other sports now btw.
I believe this guy. I saw him fight Jordan Borroughs at a bar. Borroughs constantly tried to shoot his power double, and this guy just stepped aside. It's insane
"Aikido just doesn't" - Words to live by. I consider myself to be a BJJ and Muay Thai novice, but I promise you, I'd still beat the shit out of the nerdy dude if he tried to use Aikido against me.
Sure you would.
@@AnalogProcess he could, and you could too.
@@LV426Survivor No,he probably trains aikido too😂
Lol. The point is to be well rounded. Aikido has its place and is part of mma.
@@seansy1987 no it doesn't, an mma fighter learning aikido is only teaching themselves bad habits. Wrestling, boxing, muay thai, bjj. It takes many years just to master one of these, let alone all four, so why waste time on some phoney martial art that doesn't work?
I think the problem with a lot of these "Traditional Martial Arts" is they don't do full sparring. They develop all of these fancy techniques without ever using it in a real fight.
Feel free to toss out 100s of years of martial arts development? You realize one of the major flaws of aikido at it's original core is that it *hasn't been developed since it's inception*. You have some "Street Aikido" guys but the tradionalist are against it.
The reason BJJ is so effective is because it took things from Judo and Sambo. Wrestling improved by taking things from BJJ.
I'm not sure if aikido can even be considered a martial art. It's designed to stop a fight from happening to begin with. I've learned some of the techniques and I find it impossible to apply them in a ring.
I'm not saying it's totally useless, but it should never be one's base. For example I can see bouncers making great use of it.
I have only limited experience in martial arts, I am pretty bad. But it's good that you put "traditional martial arts" in quotes. Traditional martial arts are about killing or at least defeating your enemy. Traditional okinawa karate was a bunch of tough guys drilling in para military units.
If we really look at the term and the reality of it, it was not just Asian empty hand combat. Martial arts comes from the Roman God Mars, all skilled fighting is martial arts.
A roman with his gladius, a Samurai with his yumi and katana as a side weapon, a karateka with his hands, a medieval knight with his polearm and sword as a sidearm, That is martial art we have to look at historical reality.
We don't spar, we have attack lines and gauntlets that develop our practical applications for real attacks. This includes weapon defenses and lights out attack lines. The entire class revolves around developing the ability to defend yourself from practical attacks built from classical foundations. The average mugger doesn't know Gracie jiu-jitsu.
This guy just doesn't get it. Aikido may work against a unskilled fool who is throwing his weight and momentum at you, but against a boxer, kick boxer, or even hard style Karate fighter they won't stand a chance
Brian Lee dude honestly anybody thts been in a street fight or knows how to throw a decent punch would smash aikido
i do wing chun. i did beat often muay thai fighters in a bareknuckle fights. fight with me!!!
I respect the old fighting fighting techniques. Being that I've been learning Kei shin Kan my whole life and the fact that Japanese Karate was developed using those Chinese fighting styles, I can help but to love Kung fu. With that being said there is a reason do don't ever see a wing Chung fighter in MMA, they would get their asses fucking beat.
post videos
Sensei Corey Videos of what?
I think some of the moves from aikido are extremely useful. For example kote gaeshi. But having aikido as your only martial art is no good. I like using this analogy. A primary martial art being BJJ, Judo, Okinawan Karate, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc. is like a steak on a plate. Then a secondary martial art (lets say you learned BJJ then you want to learn Muay Thai) is like the vegetables. Then desert is something like aikido. You dont need it, but it really completes the meal. Now if your entire meal is just desert, then you're screwed for putting something you know is not nutritious as your only food.
videojunkie1981 man..that was a cool analogy.
saved your comment for future reference. makes a lot of sense.
Why does a meal have to have dessert? If you have bjj and Muay Thai knowledge, why not add boxing to that? Or Dutch kickboxing? Or judo? Or Greco Roman wrestling? Or Sambo? All much better in practice that aikido.
CarMad97ci He said a dessert isnt necessary, but it completes the meal
So why wouldn't you do something better?
I love how the guy kept adding all sorts of variables to try and validate his argument that Aikido is a useful Martial Arts. If he was drunk, in a bar, on an airplane, in space.. I'd just step to the side if he tried to shoot for a double leg because I don't get drunk at bars.
I did Aikido for over 2 years and I can tell you it's worth very little in the real world. I learned so much more about how to defend my self in only a couple of months of MMA classes.
This guy wouldn't last two seconds with a bottom tier mma guy
Like a low level pro? Goes without saying. He wouldn't last two seconds with a high school wrestler.
Douglas Smith YEA HUH HE WOULD STEP TO THE SIDE..
Or with anyone really
Dude wouldn’t last 10 seconds with a rookie high school wrestler
"the point is to control your opponent right?"
"No the point is to control yourself"
Right. Sure.
I did Aikido and Taekwondo for 2 years and didn't come out of it thinking I knew how to defend myself. A lot of it is simply impractical to apply on the streets or in a real fight. A person will not let you throw or kick them and will move forward aggressively until you're on the ground or beaten to a pulp. If you're not being taught how to strike, box, spar or grapple then you're basically wasting your time.
+ThatDudeMarkiss boxing too for those wood chopper right hands and speed combinations.
Onder I agree, my parents put me in TKD at the age of 4, did that until around 21, I just discovered BJJ about 2 years ago at the age of 26. I really feel like I've been robbed of practical martial arts training for the majority of my life.
ThatDudeMarkiss boxing & BJJ for a street fight period
Onder taekwondo is totally different, he won't let you kick him , but you don't have to ask him if your kicks are as fast as a whip
2 years of practicing might be too little for you to come to a conclusion especially when combining the two arts.
I love how Joe breaks it down, he doesn't try and belittle you or make you seem your stupid, he always comes across like he's trying to help you.
I think this Aikido guy would be the type that would definitely wear a mask alone in his car.
Not just a mask, but a face shield too
Joe Rogan is absolutely right, I had taken aikido for 11 years only one technique worked on the street and that was a straight arm to the other guys face. The best thing I got from training was meeting the girls at the dojo.
I mean like your mother.🤣
Aikido has so much in common with real fighting as chess do have with real war.
6:26 "There is incredible benefit in learning to use your body ...".
Yoga does this too. But yoga does not give you false feeling that you can win a fight therefore it does not put you in troubles.
if your argument is to defend against some some drunk in a bar then you don't have an argument.
The guy’s even employing aikido in conversation. “I just sidestep that valid point and hold it hostage over here without hurting, refuting, or even engaging it.”
THIS is how you have a debate. Regardless of your opinion, keeping a cool, calm, civil disposition while presenting opposing opinions... bravo gentlemen
I just finished a beginner's aikido class. I've done martial arts on and off my whole life. I know I'm not much of a fighter. Just someone who enjoys the workout. This class kept pretending like they were teaching fighting instead of dancing. And it worried me. I've lived in a lot of rough neighborhoods. Nobody gets their ass beat worse than the guy who doesn't know he's already beat before he starts shit. I'm worried some of these other people will leave the class thinking they know how to fight, escalate a situation, and find out that what they learned was a lot closer to square dancing than combat preparedness.
But that's better than never starting any fights to begin with.
Not that I have a problem with Joe Rogan, and Steven Segal. I would like to see Segal and Rogon throw down in the octagon. Just to for the hell of it... haha
Hahahaha i Am sure seagal would be totally embarrassed when joe rogan doesn't help him to follow Aikido mlves XD rogan would totally destroy the asshole seagal
Javier Herrera
Segal would be piss at Joe after the fight, for not fallowing his instructions hahaha.
Johnny 619 the only thing segals fat, doughy, lethargic ass will beat Rogan to is a xtra large pizza or a cinnamon roll.
No. Seagal will beat Rogan easily. He sits on Rogan and Rogan dies. His belly is immune to attack. The end.
Rogan would submit him within a minute. He's a black belt in bjj lol
If Jerry from Rick and Morty shaved his head and took up martial arts....
None of this self defense stuff matters if you have a gun.
Commando Master you're a fucking genius
None of this gun shit works if you have a bomb.
None if this gun shit works if you have a police badge
@@tayyabpirzada146 Nothing of this works if you have a SS-18 Satan intercontinental ballistic missile
@@yourmomcallsmedaddy7274 none of this ballistic missle stuff works if you have a Tesla Death Ray.
Pencil neck there doesn't have a clue. All the typical bullshido. "But we aren't trained to compete!"
Joes skepticle hippo face when the dude tells him his bar fight story
"I've been attacked in bars." Come on, you know he's lying.
Aikido works really really well in everyday life. I took Aikido for almost 2 years and I have to say that it gave me an amazing ability to flow through crowds, and gave me a heightened awareness in my interactions with people.
@@mercilessundead6306 Yes and no. . .I think it depends on one's intentions. When being brutally attacked by a trained MMA expert Aikido does not fare well. When trying to lift others up to a higher state of being. . .Aikido works wonders.
@@ZiplineShazam
That doesn't make it ineffective though.
Remember that literally 0% of people in existence are trained MMA experts.
90+% of people have never been in any sort of physical altercation... let alone actually trained in any form of hand-to-hand combat. Which would make Aikido effective 95+% of the time.
It gave you social anxiety? Or what does "heightened awarenes in interactions" mean?
@@MrCmon113 The Flip Flop and FLow of the great cosmic spatula
Does anyone know what song that is in the beginning
This was back in the day! Look at the clutter! All his notes n stuff!! So raw luv it!!
aikido is a skill like salsa dancing is a skill, bjj is good as a sport in a controlled environment , both don't work well against multiple attackers or attackers with knives or guns or even sucker punches or glassings at a bar. Best learn to avoid confrontation .
Eternal Cycle Rider the reality is that nothing works well against multiple attackers, it's a matter of getting the fuck out of dodge or putting yourself in a situation where their weight of numbers isn't going to be as effectual (back to the corner or a wall if you can't escape)
Boxing = you get old earlier than you're supposed to. Everything has a price.
Bloods During light sparring you don't get hit in the head? Hmm. When I tried "light sparring" with an amateur boxer, protective gear and all, I got knocked on the head pretty hard.
That's under the assumption that you can knock out multiple attackers, which is fucking silly. Only real way to survive an attack like that is to leave the scene as soon as possible.
PJ Rivera He never said it can't be done, but to assume that YOU can is ridiculous. It just adds to the very thing Rogan was rallying against here. People, whether it be television or a shitty fake martial art, develop these unrealistic ideas of what they can do in particular situations. You're not that 1 in a million on TH-cam taking out the whole bar, but much more likely you're the one we read about in the newspaper after 3 dudes cave your skull in with their Converses behind a bar dumpster. There's my PSA for the day.
Aikido was a style developed for a sword. Since no one really fights with a sword now a days the styles more for exercise. Not for real life engagements. At least not anymore.
Just a heads up, that you're confusing it a bit: Aikijujutsu (which Aikido is primarily based on) was developed to fight against a sword. Aikido kept some of those techniques, but primarily Aikido is trained against unarmed attacks - though it also varies from style to style (Yoshinkan has almost no weapon training, Iwama still has a bunch).
arorock22 aikido was developed in the 1920s. Nobody was using a sword in the 20s.
I practiced aikido for 13 years after 6 months of one to one Muay Thai training and although I never became a master of either art, I would always revert to using what I learned from Muay Thai rather than aikido. I believe that Aikido is very good for what it was initially intended and that earlier Japanese practitioners were much more adept to using it for self defence than today's aikidoka. My view on MMA is how can this not be better for self defence if the practitioner is learning the best or most effective techniques from multiple fighting styles.
I’m a reconnaissance Marine. I’m a Ranger school graduate. I’m a combat veteran. I’ve deployed. I’ve been drunk in some of the seediest violent bars in the world and…
I’ve never been attacked in a bar.
You’re telling me this dork has been in bar fights?
WTF?
He just watched a lot of movies.
Where is a full video?
It's sad to go through this comment section and see the ppl tht actually believe this shit lmaooooooooooo
Courtney Easterwood what akido?
The ones that annoy me the most personally are the ones who actually believe they can disarm a gun wielding assailant before they can fire a shot. Just plain delusional.
Joe should fight that guy
the problem with soft style martial arts like aikido isn't the martial art but the tendency for its practictioners to be overly academic and to not practice it in resistence scenarios with people who have different style training. its true that class time isn't the time for resistance training, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't spend extra curricular time doing resistance training. too many soft style practictioners treat it like puzzle solving and not like tools you will have to use while someone who is strong and fast is causing you agony. this is coming from an aikido practicitioner who actually trains out side of class with peopele who different martial arts. any martial art is shitty if you don't also train by actually fighting people.
Bruce Lee said way back in the 60's that he actually felt sorry for those who practiced Aikido.
4:50 is the perfect image of joe thinking about this dudes delusions.
Isn't that Steven Segal ?
Its really funny to see that lot of crazy people believe in aikido :-) . the aikido guy is living in fantasy world.
He's really not. It's actually interesting to see how deluded Rogan is on this. He's applying competitive fighting philosophy to a style that was never competitively viable to begin with. Aikido is designed for one thing and one thing only, self defense and against an average person who intends to do you harm it is intensely effective, but when debating training Vs training it comes down to the practitioner's skill, One technique is all it takes to tip a fight towards a particular favor.
The style of Aikido I train in encourages the adaptation of other arts into it at more advanced levels including ground combat. I should mention that there are also quite a few different styles of Aikido that focus on different philosophies of self defense and some are more "traditional" and rigid than others. My sensei regularly tries to hold workshops with other sensei from other arts, we even had some Gracie jiu-jitsu training not too long ago.
One thing to remember is that Aikido isn't meant to go out and seek a challenger to test your skill. Aikido is meant to be there when you've been attacked. One of my Sensei's first degree black belts is a correctional officer who often admits to having used his training in his work.
Joe Aikido always works on TV. However I agree with Joe.. It does not work..
Every Aikido demonstration upset me becuase the guy that's attacking the Aikido fighter doesn't attack like anyone would in a Street Fight or anywhere elss so it makes Aikido seem useless
The guy with glasses is a perfect example of your average aikido partitioner, they love to talk about what aikido COULD do to someone but they never have been in a fight so they wouldn’t actually know.
What bar did this guy go to where he gets attacked? I wanna see that Aikido in action.
4:06 Joe made such an excellent point about wrestling
Joe had close to a 3 hour interview with him, after this single debate I can't take anything he says seriously
I think aikido is a beautiful martial art. But really more the art aspect of it i mean the thing you're learning in aikido is as this guy is saying learning your body and how it moves. I practice aikido myself and i will be honest no it doesnt work in a real life or sparring situation but it gives you advantages on how to use your body and im not saying that this will give you the advantage in a fight not at all. If you want to learn how to fight dont do aikido, if you want to practice a martial art just for fun then i recommend doing aikido. Aikido is fun but if you want to beat people up do MMA :P
Thootjee mma is shit
Question here. Did the aikido guy decide after this talk to add grappling lessons to his game? Ive been doing bjj for 6 years now and i would be scared to death to fight anyone, regardless of hundreds of hours of rolling time along w some tournament experience. I know i need to add standup and clinch, even if its only months of work. Never drink the koolaid on any martial art. Train a bunch of them, and fall in love with at least one.
Why is there no sparring between the 2 bold guys in the end ? lol
Bruce lee said its not the style its the person utilizing it as their way 🐉
I wrestled from age 6 to 18 (freestyle and greco) and I also have been kickboxing for about 15 years. I took a bjj class back in college and we had a black belt in aikido in class that talked a lot of shit and even tried to correct the instructor. He got repeatedly submitted while rolling around with the yellow belts in the class, but he wouldn't stop talking shit. He said that his training meant that a fight would never actually go to the ground. I volunteered to spar with him so he could show us how it was done. It was pretty clear that he didn't know what the hell to do when I didn't come straight at him. I'd circle him and he'd step back, I'd fake a shot or a kick and he'd step back. Eventually he was backed up to the wall and that is when I moved in for the clinch. He tried a wrist lock on me, which I immediately slipped, since wrist control and breaking grips is one of the first things you learn in wrestling. Once we got locked up he clearly had no fucking idea what to do. I got behind him with a simple duck-under and then I suplexed him. I wish I could say that he stopped talking shit after that, but despite that and all the times he was submitted by other people in the class he just kept acting like an arrogant asshole. He did refuse to train with me for the remainder of the semester though, which I was grateful for. Based on that whole experience I gotta agree with Rogan on this. A martial art that relies on your opponent not knowing how to fight and/or resist your technique is not an effective martial art.
wing chun in the most effective martial art, wing chun fighters are too dangerous to be in the ufc.
Matthew Schutze lol
Wing chun is ok . Not the best
1:24 did his shirt just come to life there for a second?
please do some video on muya thai boran
Joe should bring him to the gym and show him just how useless his aikido is. He wouldn't even have to do it himself. U could get a blue belt half his size and he would tap him in less than a minute. Any martial art that doesn't spar against other trained resisting opponents isn't worth a fuck. Not sure why ppl still argue otherwise. U can't get good at fighting without fighting.
Arm Collector Yes, agreed.
Yea you can Tyson never fought but had fast punches and beat the shit out of people because of skills you clearly ain't no artist akido is bullshit
Still fuckin you act like Tyson didn't spar.
Jesse Snyder you missed the point he beat other people because he had better punches
It would be hilarious if they agreed to a fight and the aikido guy fucked joe up LMFAO
RoyaltyFreeAbuser fuck off
This fool would get slammed by a highschoo wrestler
Aikido has a beautiful philosophy but reality says you need MMA. Aikido is like taking a butter knife, thorny flowers and a poem of peace to a AK47 & rocket launcher fight.
lol when was this guy "attacked in a bar" was it like 1986 on a movie set?
"I've been attacked in bars" Bas Rutten blocks your path.
He looks like Bert, from Bert and Ernie!!!
The guy debating rogan is a prime example of someone who practices this stuff and is self deluded! you can tell he doesn't like to get down and dirty and actually spar in real life as is what it takes to actually get good at fighting (unfortunately). This stuff offers him the chance to be an Alpha male at least in his mind! but with an easier route to it, truth is, not everyone is an Alpha male and theres no easy route to becoming one. Alpha's accept being punched in the face, getting their limbs snapped etc far more easier than the rest of us.
thehalokidster true shit, but you don't have to have an arm broken to be an alpha male
yeah man i agree! I'm just saying not everyone can be a badass....however thumbs up to those who grind it out in the gym sparring.... actually practicing fighting...not dancing not play along.
Please stop using the term "alpha"
Song ????
Something like Aikido is just art - it's like ballet or something, it's finely honed to look good, it's something you can learn and put on a show using. You can become massively skilled in it, you can study it your entire life if you want.
What it isn't is a martial art though, it's just for show.
that's facts mate I tried to explain that to a mcdojo aikido enthusiast and practitioner and they didn't believe me when I said boxing, bjj and wrestling were sports that work and have been able to stand the test of being legitimate
there are some techniques in aikido that work... have some respect you "mma" fanboys
I wanna go to one of these Aikido things. There's one in Burbank I think, and when tickles my elbow and says "hey you need to do a back flip" I'd just be like
Yeah no
Akido is just a very artistic form of jujutsu. Security guards and police use these kind of wrist locks and techniques as their mainstays, supplemented by judo, against dangerous adversaries. It is simply not true that these techniques don't work against real opponents in real fights. Wrists locks are a very effective way to end a conflict instantly, especially for big guys.
There are different fighting styles that's what makes martial arts very unique because of the different forms it teaches a person about discipline honor respect wisdom love
An Aikido guy once trained in our gym. That day, we were training defense. How to block punches and kicks and how to stop takedowns. The Aikido guy was perplexed after the training as he mentioned that it's not ideal as he said that he was already trained not to get hit even against multiple attackers.