Been training in Jiu Jitsu for just over 2 months now, my first day in training I went up against this skinny 14 year old kid and within 1 minute he got me to tap, and I'm 23. Jiu Jitsu can kill your ego if you aren't prepared for it
Same exact thing with me. I was a really jacked 190 pound wrestler 21 years old at a mma gym and after i took down a 130 pound 14 year old he triangled me immideiately. It bothers me still lol. Martial arts will always humble you if you stay consistent
I remember my first day on the matts. It was one of the most humbling and important lessons of my life. I got dominated so badly by a blue belt and for the first time in my life I was shown how vulnerable I really was against someone who was trained to fight. For many, this experience mades them walk away, but for me it made me want to learn how not to vulnerable anymore. Nearly 3 years later I’m a blue belt myself and I hope I already have, or will someday give someone else a similar experience to what I had on my first day and motivate them to learning Jiu Jitsu.
Similarly to Lex, I come from a background of calisthenics and powerlifting, and about two months ago I had my first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class. I'm athletic, physically built 190lbs, 6ft tall, 20 years old, and yet none of that matters. I got my ass whooped hard by a blue belt who weighed probably no more than 150lbs and was nowhere near me in raw strength. Arm bar, kimura, all sorts of chokes, you name it - he got me in those positions effortlessly, and I couldn't do much about it. Since then I've gotten better, but every class is an incredibly humbling experience. If you're on the fence about starting BJJ, just go for it! You will not regret it.
It's the same for ANY sport, bud. You can be the most fit, athletic, and well-conditioned athlete in the world, but if you don't have knowledge and technical skills in any sport, you will fail, and fail miserably. I've seen big, athletic, muscular men nearly drown in the ocean for the simple reason they did not have knowledge of waves and rip currents. A shark out of water is harmless. A lion in deep water is harmless. A human who is out of his/her element is harmless.
6ft tall is average, 190 lbs is slightly above average, your poor attempt to hype up jiu jitsu like 20 million people have done before you already failed miserably
@@RocArio always the same with you people, you don't even know me and already you assume I haven't tried it, I've trained judo for 7 years so please respectfully fuck off
Jiu Jitsu guys came into my wrestling room, a purple and blue belt, who never wrestled for an entire year themselves completely fucked my entire team up (we do have many freshman but impressive still) and yesterday I went to their gym to start bjj and the humbling aspect is very true. Found my next new passion
A wrestling base has pros and cons for bjj. Coming in with wrestling gives you take downs, balance an understanding of pressure and contoll. A great top game. My first day rolling bjj I caught a guy in an arm triangle. I didn't know what it was even called at the time my wrestling coach called it #2 side or a cross face pin. Once I had the guy in it they talked me through the finer points to get choke. The cons anything involving exposing my back made very uncomfortable. It took a long time to be comfortable working off my back. I am still very lopsided in that my top pressure game is far superior to my sweeps and working from guard. I love bjj but I still miss wrestling, maybe it was the girls checking out our singlets and being a ripped 18 year old lol
Just got finished with my first bjj class. The first hour was cardio and drills focusing on footwork. The second hour was grappling and takedowns. I am now going to pursue private lessons atleast twice a week. Martial arts will now be a part of my lifestyle
@@swayambasnet8936 good, in about a month I should get my forst stripe. I'm also hitting the weight room. Having alot of fun with bjj, even though I get worked by the upper belts lol.
@@intellectualjr8085 yes and that doesn't really matter. Probably better for you if you're going to roll with adults because they are less likely to hurt you.
jo7dan119 Those aren’t aikido techniques though. They are from classical jujitsu. The founder of Aikido was a student of Daito-ryu Aiki-Jitsu. He just made his Aikido much more peace and love after WW2 and his experiences with a small Japanese cult. Aikido didn’t really invent anything. It just layered a pacifist philosophy over a bunch of previously deadly techniques.
Aikido isn't that practical. With that being said, I learned Yon Kajo nerve techniques from Yoshinkan Aikido. They can be used when grabbing opponents, and if used correctly, are fucking painful. It's the most hard core Aikido, but still not too practical. The footwork and balance work is useful though. So are front and back rolls. I prefer bjj though.
@@GreyEagle_35 thanks for your comment bro, really helps out beginners like me who are worried about how long it will take to finally see major improvements.
I remember getting manhandled by a bluebelt at an affiliate gym early on in my training, to see someone control me the way he did I knew instantly " Oh theres no fucking way i'm not going to learn this" knowing that blue was the first belt you earned I thought that's such an acquirable skill set to effectively control someone.
@@ofathousandstrings2396 My 9 year old earned his white belt 2 weeks ago, after he did his free trial at our local BJJ gym and I asked him if he wanted to keep doing it before we signed him up to officially join and he said "I want to do this the rest of my life". He earned it by me going to amazon and buying his first Gi and the white belt came with it haha
I started my first BJJ class two weeks ago, my first opponent was a blue belt, at least 5 year younger than me and 40 lbs lighter, before i blinked he had me in an arm bar
Maybe that is why they posted the link below the title to help you: Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1188: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FOu... I.E. Lex Fridman
In these maddening mellowing times, times where people and also myself had forgotten importance of coming out of your comfort zone, BJJ was truly one of the brightest things that I stumbled upon in my whole life. This martial art truly slaps you in the face. But the slaps are not slaps of hatred but a strikes of meaning and direction to guide you through life.
Joined BJJ 2 weeks ago. Already have had a few minor injuries, bruises, and scratches. But I LOVE IT 🥰 I highly recommend for women. We’ve been missing out trust me! You don’t have to be good at it. Every single person in my class is on their own time and individual journey. We all have personal goals, some compete, some simply enjoy the class.
A real hard liver punch is a "touch of death" if done hard enough. look up Bas Ruten liver punching a guy in the ring and causing his liver to rupture.
Started BJJ 9 months ago, I’m not the biggest guy but have always been physically active and competitive, powerlifting was a huge part of my life, and boy I agree with Lex: this is the most humbling sport but also the most technical. I love how cerebral it is, details and angles matter, adjustments can be made but it’s also quick paced. It’s definitely an absolute art as Joe claims
bjj folk need to get locked up for life using words like "humble", there's nothing even remotely humble about it, they make fun of other martial arts, bodybuilders, hell even other grappling styles all the time
IMO, the whole modern Jujitsu split should be treated like this: 1. Learn Judo from zero to 1st Dan black belt for a HEALTHY BASIS. 2. Start learning BJJ to get the higher aspects of Ne Waza, while progressing several Black Belt levels into the refinement of Judo (a 1st Dan Judo Black Belt is not a master, but a "ready student"). 3. When you get your BJJ Black Belt and your 6th Degree Dan Belt in Judo, start AiKido. 4. Aikido looks funny or unrealistic if you take it at face value, but any Judoka who has experienced and been taught Aikido techniques has surely learned that "oh fuck, this is extremely dangerous and painful": Apply Aikido with a Judo mentality, especially with a Judo MASTER mentality is probably the key.
@@AlexanderCollis we’re talking about style vs style. If a boxer can wrestle then he’s basically a mixed martial artist. The point remains that a boxer that knows nothing else loses to a BJJ fighter or judoka almost every time
The war on drugs costs the country about 193 billion per year. The FBI accounts about half of all drug crime to cannabis- if you want to keep pretending that wasting enough money to pay for all education in the US and ending world hunger combined, three times over every year, is not a big deal- that is your prerogative to act ignorant. If you think that creating black markets which drive up the value so high that shedding blood becomes worth it to some individuals creating a never ending cycle of violence is a smart move- your an idiot, and if you don't think stopping that is important- you're also an idiot.
The problem with Aikido isn't even the techniques; you'll learn a lot of techniques in Aikido that are similar or identical to BJJ techniques. The difference is the circumstances under which you practice them. Next to no Aikido schools force their students to use the techniques against an uncooperative, resisting opponent who is skilled and doing their damnedest to use them on you with any regularity.
This is totally correct. I did one belt of Aikido, and I found that some of the techniques were great, but that you were not really applying them in challenging environment. Aikido is certainly much better than nothing to defend yourself if you know about its objectives and limitations, but it is more a 'martial art' in the philosophical way, that a combat-oriented discipline. It is still a good exercise for people that cannot handle more intense training regimes, and the ability to fall correctly can be life saving.
It is so cool to see someone that I would consider just a knot head like me and be nice to have a beer with be able to carry on a conversation with men of this caliber. You are my favorite interviewer.
Exactly right. Many people don’t stop to realize that science does not know what consciousness is. Thank God they keep trying AI with Binary. Because if they were using the holographic model to create AI, they may stumble into it.
It's disappointing to hear Joe say that. The truest martial art is the one that your practice diligently and faithfully all the time, the one that works for you. I love jiu jitsu, have been practicing it since 2002, but it does not complete me by itself.
Just started my first day it’s fucking awesome…if your nervous to go in on your first day don’t be… everyone is welcoming and willing to help you get where you need to be
10:00 I hope everyone gets to experience what Joe is talking about here. The utter helplessness of grappling with someone who actually knows how to do Jiu-jitsu. As a white belt, even a particularly good blue belt can give you that.
BJJ white belt here who just took his 4th class. I literally sparred with a blue belt today and you exactly described what I experienced. It's been a humbling experience so far.
The guest's argumentation here regarding a "death touch" move relies on placing the greater burden of proof on Joe, i.e. the more reasonable stance, and pointedly, the falsifiable stance. Per Russell's Teapot, the philosophic burden of proof falls on the person making unfalsifiable claims (the guest: death tough might be real), rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others (Joe: from what we know, it's not). For anyone who felt the guest to be irritating, this is essentially why.
He is not saying that there IS a death touch, he is simply saying that we can’t say for sure it hasn’t been figured out and forgotten in the past; or some hidden tribe has figured it out. He never stated that for sure it exists, simply that we cannot say it can’t or doesn’t yet exist. You would he correct if he said I know there IS a death touch and you cant say no because you can’t disprove it.
i am a jiu jitsu black belt, one day a friend who was doing aikido showed me a cross arm grip wristlock, i use it all the time , its more a grip breaker than a submission, but it works, sometimes if the dudes wont let go of the grip they tap
my first time going to a bjj class i was 16 and i swore i had everything down but i didn’t even know the purpose of the gi , and got cross choked from the mount by a smaller 19 year old blue belt , a year later i came back and my first roll i triangle choked a man who was at least in his mid 30’s and stangled a kid who had been training a little over a year with bow and arrow choke, never had had more confidence in my life jiu jitsu is the best thing ever
the smurf You have obviously not done a grappling because you will accidentally get hit in jewels from time to time, and it will be debilitating. Or you could be a girl? What do I know.....
You can make any “ineffective” or “fake” martial art work if you include pressure tested martial arts, I do aikido and can make locks work because of my jiu jitsu and boxing training
akido does not work in the real world, one of the guys in my club has been doing akido for 26 yearss, but when it comes to striking.... dead meat.........he also holds 4 black belts.... akdio has no skills in the real world
@@Digitalcataloghub from what I've seen its very effective, the Israel's tend not to muck around when it comes to combat. From what i know they have taken bits from boxing, judo, karate etc and made it into a form. i guess when people do martial arts it depends on what they want from it- fitness, self defence, community, spiritual, mental etc... not everyone wants to fight, i have friends that do tai chi- they do it to relax.
Every martial artist says their martial art is the best. Its about cultivating the self. Fighting is only one leaf on the tree of martial arts. Learn to fight get good. But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings, and how to live. All martial arts are good, they all go to the same place. Learn it all to forget it all. When your at the forget it all stage, there is no fight left. Then your art becomes you. Train hard, past your ability. Nothing beats disciplinary arts.
"Every martial artist says their martial art is the best" except some are better than others, some are pointless "Nothing beats disciplinary arts" you can be a karate black belt but a fit highschool wrestler will still take you down and beat your ass. "But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings" this really isn't true I should've stopped at the first sentence but unfortunately didn't.
@@MoooseBlood I can honestly see where you get that. But what I wrote is after 45 years of training. busted body parts all over, and just the politics of it all, after a while I just started to realize that there was more. I totally agree with you if you can't fight get the f*** out, no wimps allowed type of thing. But at some point when you get older you start to question the fighting and see it more as a stage then as the only means. It was something I heard in a martial art movie Once, if you want to fight by a gun, but if you want to be a good person, train in martial arts. At this stage I truly believe attitude is everything, fighting is just something you have to go through to prove yourself. I used to think that was everything. Maybe in the future I'll think something else.
Brazilian jiujitsu is such a amazing martial art getting humbled by someone smaller than you then over time being able to submit someone bigger than you is the most humbling experience that will give you real confidence
This is what I've always wanted to say to people. I couldn't quite find the words, but Joe said it perfectly. If you box for 10 years, there's always the off chance a bigger or luckier opponent can completely embarrass you. In grappling, even if you're physically gifted, it's all technique and no luck.
Wow, finally! Lex said something I have being saying since the inception of MMA. ‘This scientific process of MMA’ I have never encountered another human being who ever agreed with me on this, so I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this. It is so correct. MMA is a series of scientific experiments that work towards a continual refinement and development of martial skill (granted it has limitations within the rule set and circumstances of being in a ring or octagon). I have always tried to make the point that MMA has allowed for an improvement in self defence methods being made available to people. So many people are opposed to MMA because they just see it as senseless violence. MMA in my opinion can claim a moral victory in its development of martial skill. It is immoral to to teach someone methods of self defence that will get them hurt, when there is no excuse for ignorance of what actually works ....because it has been tested under realistic situations ....MMA.
MMA has realistic conditions? There are no groin strikes, throat strikes, or eye gouges. That's like 50 percent of the open handed training in many martial arts. Plus, who realistically fights without even a makeshift weapon, if one is at hand? MMA is a sport.
" I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this" ... are you trolling or what
Judo is the truest martial art. BJJ is a specilisation of the newaza in judo, taught to the Brazilians by a Judoka. Jigoro Kano , the founder of Judo, developed a martial art based on perfect timing, leverage and technique.
“By the end of the 19th century, another school of Jujutsu was getting prominence beating several older schools in consecutive matches. This school was founded by Jigoro Kano and was called Kodokan Judo. Mataemon Tanabe, the then Fusen-Ryu master, challenged Kano school and his students won every match. Much to Kano´s surprise, they did not attempt throwing techniques, but rather went straight to the ground and applied Ne-Waza (ground techniques) submissions as arm-locks, leg-locks, pins and chokes. Kano, being very open-minded, was so fascinated by the Fusen-Ryu effectiveness, that he persuaded Tanabe to teach Kodokan students the concepts of his ryu´s strategy. Kano had consistently invited the heads of every Jujutsu ryu he encountered to incorporate their teachings into the Kodokan curriculum. The Ne-Waza component however became a major part of Judo influencing its development greatly. Among these early students were prominent to be Kodokan judokas by the likes of Yoshiaki Yamashita, Hirata Kanae, Tsunejiro Tomita, Sakujiro Yokoyama and Maeda - the latter being the one who eventually taught Judo to the Gracie family, which would later develop into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (some people think Jiu-Jitsu is actually a misspelling of Jujutsu, but as both are ‘romanised’ versions of Japanese Kanji script, neither is strictly speaking ‘wrong’).” BJJ is essentially a renaming of the Fusen-ryu methods using Ne-waza, Kano agreed they were more effective than his Kadokan Judo and so incorporated them into his “judo”, he then took “Judo” outside of Japan, but they all come from Ju Jutsu.
@@IamDude2 See, here's the problem: What you are referring to is also known as "higher judo". The problem with BJJ is that they eliminated and overlooked the whole dimension of breakfalls, imbalance subtleties, and takedowns of the rest of the system. BJJ basically gets away with teaching higher-level ne-waza techniques faster because they completely ignore the rest of the art of Jujutsu. Ideally, you'd do this: Judo until 1st Dan Black Belt -> BJJ (Judo advanced Ne-waza) + Advanced Judo (2nd-6th dan belts) -> Aikido.
@@davida.rosales6025 you do realise Judo ignores many elements of Ju Jutsu? I don’t think you actually read my post above, but in any case I disagree, I think the combination of wrestling and Fusen-ryu of Ju Jutsu (BJJ as it is now called) is most effective.
I worked out at the Quincy Vale Tudo club and went up against highschool/college wrestlers and football players. I was almost 30 and trying to get in shape while learning/improving grappling. I learned so much from everyone that submitted/rolled me. Most of the dudes were cool as hell and would, when asked, tell me how I they got to said position, how to identify, and try to defend against it. All the addtl' knowledge and wisdom that was shared, was phenomenal. Anytime I got "whooped", I needed to learn how/why.
For REAL? Reality much? The reason Sensei Seagal doesn't death touch everyone is the same reason pro fighters don't go around choking and knocking everyone out: a heart of gold and the restraint knowing they could but shouldn't release such fury (like volcano) onto the human race. Spiderman said that with great power comes great responsibility. Grand Master general Captain Sensei Seagal understands that his hands are atomic fission bombs made of flesh; his legs are graceful like a ballerina's but angry, like a Tupac record; and his mind is as sharp as a Texas Instruments calculator...an expensive one...that does graphs. If he did as he pleased and unleashed, we're talking some World War III stuff right there. Oh and BTW, everyone, including Anderson Silva, was incorrect... Had he performed the instructions given to him by Archangel Seagal correctly, Vitor's head would've came clean off and I did not see that happen. Facts.
The touch of death was something very real and have an historical explanation. It's the same concept that the japanese "Issatsu", which means one hit one kill. The historical reason it existed is because during the era were ancient martial arts were developped, the average health level was very crappy. Like veeeeery crappy compared to modern days. People spent their life lacking food, lacking proteins from meat, calcium for the bones, and more importantly most of them were crippled by illness of many kind (thanks modern medecine and vaccines to prevent that now). The average man at this time was also living a life of hard labour. What is a common misconception today is that a hard labour is a great workout : it's true now because of medecine / food / etc but back in the day the reality was that it was crippling your body. Then we had the martial artists / warriors. Warriors were among the wealthiest class on many society, having access to food, meat, etc. Both them and the martial artists were doing specific exercizes that reinforced their body, but in a controled way compared to hard labour. So no crippling injuries for the most. They were among the healthiest people of their era, and the strongest. So what happens when a healthy, strong martial artist do a full force punch directly into the solar plexus of a man with a crappy health doubled with a crippled physique ? Good chances he's going to break ribs, perforate lungs or even stop the heart. And that from were the touch of death or Issatsu concept came from.
I can definitely attest to most of what is said in this video. I was a typical highschool wrestler (folkstyle wrestling). I was stronger and faster than most of my opponents but didn't have the same foundation in wrestling tactics, so most of my wins were because I outmuscled them or caught them offguard because of my speed. But when I wrestled against someone who was stronger than me, I had to rely on my speed. And when I met someone who was faster than me, I had to rely on strength. The times I met someone both faster and stronger than me, I was completely screwed cause I didn't have the experience and guidance I needed to truly excel (head coach stepped down in my last year. Replacement was subpar). This is why I love training BJJ now. I can hold back on the strength and speed much more easily and focus on learning tactics and technique. Today, I'm a much better grappler than I ever was in high school.
I was a wrestler . I am naturally athletic and have a big frame and am strong ,205 with 7% body fat it is much higher now as I am up to 235 ish . I always relied on this . In BJJ I didnt often come up against guys my size unless we are travelling to compete. Then I learn the hard way how much I have been truly relying on my strength vs technique. It is funny because all of the smaller purple belts say they're owe their skill level to me because they wouldn't have gotten as good at their technique without my big heavy ass squashing them. I have a good wrestlers Base and a good top pressure game. Unfortunately for me being Thirty to fifty pounds heavier than most of the gym gave me the illusion of skill I did not have. As Ralph Wiggum says "I'm helping" . I lost a leg I few years ago I hope I can get back one day I miss the guys and the workouts.
@robbeam5599 my old gym has a decent number of guys our size who were whites and blues, so I was privileged enough to have open mats where I could go full throttle with someone knowing we're mutually going competition intensity. 😎👌🏾
@@LoneWulf1992 I am in a small town of 20 000 so it's not un common to have a class of 5 people. It's cool in a way. 205 is a weird class for ameture competition. a lot of times I would just go heavyweight. Because I didn't feel like cutting weight and also 205 guys are usually animals while a lot of heavy weights are just out of shape. Not always but often enough. Last time I competed at 205 in absolute submission I took silver but the guy who took gold really should have been kicked out because he injured three out of the five people he rolled with to get to me. I tapped to a very sloppy Kimura because he was very jerky and yanking with all his strength trying injure me. I might have rolled out it wasn't that tight but the guy had no controll and no respect. I have a job , a family and a shelf of trophies. One more wouldn't mean much. I'm getting too old for that shit. No one likes those kind of guys
@robbeam5599 I'm right there with you when it comes to tapping to aggressive gorillas. Had a white belt who did TKD and thought transitioning into BJJ would be nothing. He started getting subbed left and right, so he started going hard on his armbars. One of his was so sloppy, I just stood up to let him slide off. Dude was so ego hurt that he flung himself backwards to drag me down and go belly down. I tapped long before this but he did it anyways. No "revenge attacks" from me but he did end up going unconscious later on against a purple belt 😅
This Quote is quite interesting regarding ‘touch of death’: “Pausanias relates the story of two boxers, Creugas and Damoxenos, who were competitors for the boxing crown at the Nemean Games, contests that at some point nearly rivaled the Olympic Games for their sacred aura. The two men battled to a draw, and so it was agreed that each man would get one free shot at his opponent, to see if either one could be felled in such a way that victory might be declared. Creugas went first, and landed a blow to Damoxenos’s head. Doubtlessly addled (Pausanias does not describe the blow), Damoxenos requested that Creugas raise his hands from his sides, then landed a blow to his abdomen with an open hand, but with such force that he tore into the man’s midsection and disemboweled him on the spot. The Nemean judges awarded Creugas the crown posthumously, but on a technicality; Damoxenos, they argued, had landed more than a single blow. Note that distinction: the judges objected to the number of blows, not to their violence. Pausanias, like most other Greeks, was much impressed by Panhellenic athletes who gave their lives for a crown. Most ancient Greek athletic sanctuaries were littered with monuments commemorating such untimely endings.” So yah, touch of death is real.
Regards the "touch of death" I spoke to Wang Hai Jun, 29 gold medal winner national champion of traditional Chen style taijiquan [the oldest form of Tai Chi] and he categorically said it is not possible to knock someone over or inflict damage to organs etc. without contact. In 1996-1998 he was the all round national champion of China of Tai Chi in every category. When touring China with top Shaolin masters doing demos he met the best traditional martial artists of every generation, old school and modern and he said there is no Chinese martial art that does this. You also cannot do this with qigong. There is some kind of hypnosis that a teacher can influence students to believe they are being pushed over but basically they trip themselves up. This will not work on someone on the street and certainly not with a trained fighter. What is real however is the ability to generate huge amounts of power from any part of the body from very short distances of one inch or less however this is seen cleanly in just a few hundred practitioners. 200 million plus people do Tai Chi, and add up qigong and other internal arts like Xing-yi and bagua and the amount of people out there fooling people is huge. I once offered Conor Mcgregors coach host a seminar for Wang Hai Jun and John Kavanagh was up for it but then his jiu jitsu coach wouldn't allow it as he has a policy of no traditional martial artists teaching at SBG. This was when McGregor fought Dustin Poirier for the first time. It was a sad moment for me as I love and respect MMA and traditional Taijiquan and if John's coach was more like Lex this could have been an amazing learning moment comparing training methods, techniques and actual fighting skills from a real internal martial arts highly decorated champion and the coach of more national champions than anyone else at the time the level and judging competitively was at its highest in China. Maybe next time I'm in Curitiba teaching I will get to meet Anderson Silva and have a chat about this. Anyway here are some names of the old school masters now in their 70's with skill Chen Jun, Chen Xiao Xing, Chen XiaoWang, Wang Xian, Chen Zhenglei, and the younger Wang Hai Jun who just turned 50.
Had my first Jujutsu class this week. Very humbling. I have a good build and weight (6ft tall and 180 lbs) and got stood no chance. My prior experience is all MMA, mostly striking.
I train Japanese Jiu Jitsu and bjj. Usually the same day. One for standing, one for the ground. My jjj is more well rounded for self defense. We train weapons in jjj. Knives, guns…. My Jjj instructor is a retired firearms instructor. Bjj is more a sport right now. 1/3 of the aggression I experience in jjj. Both are extremely important. But my goals are self defense.
You guys really underestimate boxing in matter of smaller guys defeating big guys on a street fight , personally i would never try to wrestle a much bigger guy on the ground cuz first he can escape my moves with his strength and can also smash my head with his fists , with boxing you have a much better chance of knocking him out
I've done Aikido, it can technically work against other martial arts but is usually unnecessary. Jiu Jitsu is the original that both Judo and Aikido derived from. Tai Chi is a more complete version of the same thing Aikido is trying to achieve but from a harmonious rather than defensive approach which is also different than offensive approaches.
@@SharifSourour jiujitsu is the developed ground version(ne waza) of judo. Originally even judo was called kano jujutsu. So, judo didnt come from jiujitsu, but the latter branched off from judo, known as kano jujutsu before.
@@therandomnomad435 well the reason judo was called kano jujitsu was because it was not judo it was jujitsu, because jujitsu came first historically. The judo we know, perhaps different than what you are referring to here, was made for sport and removed the fatal techniques from its jujitsu origin. Aikido went a whole different route focusing on energy manipulation and innovating techniques based on grappling.
Ne-waza came from Fusen-ryu of JuJutsa, Kano’s students of his new Judo were beaten by another school convincingly by their use of Ne-Waza so he asked the master to teach his students Ne-Waza. BJJ is Ne-Waza, so although Kano, via Mitsuyo Maeda, taught the Gracie’s it was in fact Tanabe (fusen-ryu JuJutsa) who taught Kano who applied it to his Judo. BJJ is Fusen-Ryu JuJutsa
We have looked at all different forms of martial arts and aikido doesn't match up. "But have you kept an open mind to the idea that aikido can be useful?" Did you hear what I said literally 3 seconds ago?
Joe, the draw back to BJJ is I have to roll on the ground in my suit to stop an attacker. Which style can I use to stop an attacker while I remain standing up?
Bare Knuckle boxing in it's earliest days used punching techniques to close to distance in order to wrestle an opponent to the ground and finish them with catch wrestling. Finding some balance of striking to lead to the takedown if you have BJJ would be ideal.
Haven’t done bjj, but I’ve just started judo a month ago, and the first time I did randori ( sparing ) against someone It was crazy. I was literally getting thrown left and right. Was literally so sore after practice . It’s crazy how most people think they know what they are doing, until they go into a striking or grappling gym and go against someone with years of experience .
More than half of Jui-jitsu moves you can’t pull them off if you are getting punched in the face or fighting multiple opponents. BBJ is Good but it’s just one element in the universe of fighting.
@@OBITOBI-_-I So what defenses/attacks does BJJ have for knives or sticks/batons/makeshift clubs? Or do both parties need to sign a contract about what the rules are before the fight begins? I think we know the answer.
Love Joe Rogan..he's such a good interviewer,great listener and I can appreciate his love for Jiu-Jitsu..just did my first week..I'm 6'6" 240lbs and was choked out and twisted up all week by kid's and little people alike!
lol joe said jui-jitsu came here in the 90's. i took my first lesson in 76 and continue practicing today. the jui-jitsu of today is a watered down version of what it was meant to be.
Muay Thai the best for striking BJJ the best for ground game. Now before anyone gets defensive and butt hurt, wrestling has no submissions. Only pinning
Muay Thai, Kickboxing, even Karate can be decent depending on the school. The fact is, all those arts have adapted. What you want to know is if your school competes in open tournaments, or just tournaments within their own art. That should be the tell.
As a black belt in Aikido all I can say is Aikido will never be effective until it is trained against, and adapted to combating the top martial arts in the field right now. Instead of learning to defend against sword hand strikes and thrusting knife stabs we should probably be learning to defend against double leg take-downs and question mark kicks. Eventually you'd want to mix different types of sparring into it. The idea being you wouldn't be some zen master dodging every attack, you'd be blocking, defending, feigning attacks and keeping distance in order to look for an opportunity to apply a technique. The core principles of Aikido, as far as I can tell are; Centre power (Kamae), redirecting energy and not causing long lasting harm to an opponent. The details of the art would change around these core principles. The techniques in Aikido are mechanically sound. You can throw an opponent with a wrist or arm lock, the problem is applying the technique is almost impossible in modern combat, and the only way we know how to apply the technique is if an opponent lunged at us in a clumsy way. If Aikido did all of these things; Resistance training, attacks to simulate Muay Thai & BJJ, then it could eventually evolve into a useful martial art if enough dedicated warriors pursued that task. However I don't think this is going to happen any time soon. If the art isn't allowed to evolve and adapt, it will die.
Yo joe... As far as jiu jitsu goes... By far it is the one who surpassess all the other ones i tried by miles when compared to being the truest. Many other fighting Arts resemble the nature of our abilities used to navigate in life. At times we call it self defense and mainly because how we have evolved as people and states but it is used as offense or being the aggressor. Jiu jitsu does capture, at least 50% of the human body and its actions related to the individual navigating through life either on offense or defense. The crazy part is that with jiu jitsu, involves all your muscle groups even in the smallest moves or techniques and because it does so to the buddy so it is doing with the brain working and creating a mind that is close to reality of where do u stand in the foodchain. Thats what makes jiu jitsu the truest. It gives you back the flexibility and movement that we once had in our mothers belly. And since we are providing the nutrition for ourselves and not by our mothers as we would inside their bellies, we are now excersizing the brain and strengthing the mind. End result, we feel safe and some contentment with our efforts towards life or living
Perhaps jujitsu is the best one on one combat technique against armored opponents... historically speaking my understanding is it was developed for unarmed villager types to have a method to disable armed and armored opponents... but in unarmored combat a quick strike is always going to be the primary one-on-one fight starter and ender.
I’m a 5’5 dude. There’s no reason for me to start trading punches with a guy bigger. But if I can surprise him, rush him to his waist and send both of us down on the floor, I have a solid chance with bjj experience. That’s the difference.
Been training in Jiu Jitsu for just over 2 months now, my first day in training I went up against this skinny 14 year old kid and within 1 minute he got me to tap, and I'm 23. Jiu Jitsu can kill your ego if you aren't prepared for it
Same exact thing with me. I was a really jacked 190 pound wrestler 21 years old at a mma gym and after i took down a 130 pound 14 year old he triangled me immideiately. It bothers me still lol. Martial arts will always humble you if you stay consistent
@@critiquemytechnique1135 how long have you been training in BJJ?
@@TheBattlefieldPro97 off and on, mostly off for about 10 years
@Chavez 88 100% agree. Bjj can expose your flaws to yourself
Big facts!
How tf does Joe always find a way to end up talking about Jiu Jitsu? That dude was literally talking about technology 😂😂😂
he is a black belt
Lex Friedman is the one that brought it up. He mentioned the "touch of death" then MMA and it transitioned into BJJ
They are both black belts.
Manu Barboza because it’s great 👍
🤣🤣🤣
I remember my first day on the matts. It was one of the most humbling and important lessons of my life. I got dominated so badly by a blue belt and for the first time in my life I was shown how vulnerable I really was against someone who was trained to fight. For many, this experience mades them walk away, but for me it made me want to learn how not to vulnerable anymore. Nearly 3 years later I’m a blue belt myself and I hope I already have, or will someday give someone else a similar experience to what I had on my first day and motivate them to learning Jiu Jitsu.
Cool
Agreed
0TheMihn0: how much do you pay for your classes? I am interesting in training.
So basically you just want to destroy some white belts 😂
If it's taken you 3 years to get a blue belt then clearly you aren't being trained or promoted correctly.
8:53 Joe starts getting into jiu-jitsu vs other MA
Stephen Willard Not all hero’s wear capes
THANKS
Stephen Willard my man
Legend
Thanks man
Aikido is the physical representation of how your girlfriend argues.
I'm dead I hope others may respect such a level of humour
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OwenEx stfu bitch ur martial arts doesn’t work on me when I got my glock
Abera Grant look out we have a bad ass
@@tyleroldham4676 GOT EM
Similarly to Lex, I come from a background of calisthenics and powerlifting, and about two months ago I had my first Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class. I'm athletic, physically built 190lbs, 6ft tall, 20 years old, and yet none of that matters. I got my ass whooped hard by a blue belt who weighed probably no more than 150lbs and was nowhere near me in raw strength. Arm bar, kimura, all sorts of chokes, you name it - he got me in those positions effortlessly, and I couldn't do much about it. Since then I've gotten better, but every class is an incredibly humbling experience. If you're on the fence about starting BJJ, just go for it! You will not regret it.
How’s it going, you still doing bjj?
It's the same for ANY sport, bud. You can be the most fit, athletic, and well-conditioned athlete in the world, but if you don't have knowledge and technical skills in any sport, you will fail, and fail miserably. I've seen big, athletic, muscular men nearly drown in the ocean for the simple reason they did not have knowledge of waves and rip currents. A shark out of water is harmless. A lion in deep water is harmless. A human who is out of his/her element is harmless.
6ft tall is average, 190 lbs is slightly above average, your poor attempt to hype up jiu jitsu like 20 million people have done before you already failed miserably
@@SINdaBlock411if you haven’t tried it you don’t know.
@@RocArio always the same with you people, you don't even know me and already you assume I haven't tried it, I've trained judo for 7 years so please respectfully fuck off
Jiu Jitsu guys came into my wrestling room, a purple and blue belt, who never wrestled for an entire year themselves completely fucked my entire team up (we do have many freshman but impressive still) and yesterday I went to their gym to start bjj and the humbling aspect is very true. Found my next new passion
Hell yeah man! Kind of a strange thing they just rocked ur whole gym but good attitude.
Your Story sounds fake af
Hardest transition for me was getting comfortable working off my back
A wrestling base has pros and cons for bjj. Coming in with wrestling gives you take downs, balance an understanding of pressure and contoll. A great top game. My first day rolling bjj I caught a guy in an arm triangle. I didn't know what it was even called at the time my wrestling coach called it #2 side or a cross face pin. Once I had the guy in it they talked me through the finer points to get choke. The cons anything involving exposing my back made very uncomfortable. It took a long time to be comfortable working off my back. I am still very lopsided in that my top pressure game is far superior to my sweeps and working from guard. I love bjj but I still miss wrestling, maybe it was the girls checking out our singlets and being a ripped 18 year old lol
Give us an update bro whats going on with you
Just got finished with my first bjj class. The first hour was cardio and drills focusing on footwork. The second hour was grappling and takedowns. I am now going to pursue private lessons atleast twice a week. Martial arts will now be a part of my lifestyle
How's it going?
@@swayambasnet8936 good, in about a month I should get my forst stripe. I'm also hitting the weight room. Having alot of fun with bjj, even though I get worked by the upper belts lol.
That's awesome. Keep rolling brother!!
@@timothybailey404 I’m thinking of starting are there any teenagers there (I’m 16)
@@intellectualjr8085 yes and that doesn't really matter. Probably better for you if you're going to roll with adults because they are less likely to hurt you.
Aikido is great if everyone is drunk and untrained except you.
jo7dan119 Those aren’t aikido techniques though. They are from classical jujitsu. The founder of Aikido was a student of Daito-ryu Aiki-Jitsu. He just made his Aikido much more peace and love after WW2 and his experiences with a small Japanese cult.
Aikido didn’t really invent anything. It just layered a pacifist philosophy over a bunch of previously deadly techniques.
Aikido isn't that practical. With that being said, I learned Yon Kajo nerve techniques from Yoshinkan Aikido. They can be used when grabbing opponents, and if used correctly, are fucking painful. It's the most hard core Aikido, but still not too practical. The footwork and balance work is useful though. So are front and back rolls. I prefer bjj though.
@@makerstudios5456 Well put.
or if your fighting people at a retirement home
It was great in the time of the Shogun era
Just did my 5th jujitsu class and I got absolutely battered by everyone, I got massively humbled and I love t because it's made me want to get better!
How’s it been going so far? Any progress?
@@ccepeda56 it's going very well. Still getting squashed, but learning alot.
@@youravgdude9978 right on dude! Keep at it, I'm almost at my 2 year mark. Only now am I starting to get "good," still got A LOT to learn.
@@GreyEagle_35 thanks for your comment bro, really helps out beginners like me who are worried about how long it will take to finally see major improvements.
@@GreyEagle_35 what color belt
I can't believe Daniel Radcliff knows so much about ai and martial arts
Hahahahaha
Wingardium ju nim chuck 😂
LMFAOOOOOOO 😭
Jajajajaja
@therainman777 underrated lmao
The truest martial art, is and always will be, a duel with revolvers at high noon
You Talkin shit about me boah? Meet me in front of the pub at high noon
Horseshit 😁
Il use a bazooka in a revolver fight
I remember getting manhandled by a bluebelt at an affiliate gym early on in my training, to see someone control me the way he did I knew instantly " Oh theres no fucking way i'm not going to learn this" knowing that blue was the first belt you earned I thought that's such an acquirable skill set to effectively control someone.
Technically white is the first belt you earn
@Q U A N No, not really. Usually you get get it upon entry/buy it. You do no training to get it.
@@ofathousandstrings2396 My 9 year old earned his white belt 2 weeks ago, after he did his free trial at our local BJJ gym and I asked him if he wanted to keep doing it before we signed him up to officially join and he said "I want to do this the rest of my life". He earned it by me going to amazon and buying his first Gi and the white belt came with it haha
Joe did not expect him to say jiu jitsu, judo and wrestling when he asked him what marshal arts he trained after the conversation they just had.
Loved that humbling moment when I first did jui jitsu
yep, been doing martial arts for years........... but jj is a whole new game
I started my first BJJ class two weeks ago, my first opponent was a blue belt, at least 5 year younger than me and 40 lbs lighter, before i blinked he had me in an arm bar
Who the heck is this dude some engineer dude or mma shit i am so confused who he is and why he wearing a suit its weird when joe wearing t shirt
Willy Schwerin I feel you
Teaches free self-driving car classes online at MIT. selfdrivingcars.mit.edu/
This guy has all the emotional range of Hayden Christensen in episode 2
Devin it’s all course, rough and irritating. and it gets every where
Maybe that is why they posted the link below the title to help you: Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1188:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FOu... I.E. Lex Fridman
In these maddening mellowing times, times where people and also myself had forgotten importance of coming out of your comfort zone, BJJ was truly one of the brightest things that I stumbled upon in my whole life. This martial art truly slaps you in the face. But the slaps are not slaps of hatred but a strikes of meaning and direction to guide you through life.
The truest martial art is and always has been jousting.
Try a slice or two of avocado on your sandwiches.
Who the fuck is out here jousting
@@buckjansen239 Doth thou not joust Sir!?
Jousting on horses. lol. Good way to easily DIE. ITS LIKE JUDO times 1,0000
@Char Char Binks Jousting on DMT
That guys voice is so mundane i literally entered a trance and regained focus on the conversation 5 minutes later...twice
So did I haha
And now he has one of the most succesful podcasts on youtube😂 go figure
@@Couchlover47
Joined BJJ 2 weeks ago. Already have had a few minor injuries, bruises, and scratches. But I LOVE IT 🥰 I highly recommend for women. We’ve been missing out trust me! You don’t have to be good at it. Every single person in my class is on their own time and individual journey. We all have personal goals, some compete, some simply enjoy the class.
blue belt now? or white
Still doing it?
A real hard liver punch is a "touch of death" if done hard enough. look up Bas Ruten liver punching a guy in the ring and causing his liver to rupture.
W B lmao fair point but for the force humans can generate most places aren’t as vulnerable as the part of the liver not protected by the ribs
David Gambirazio or kidneys a kidney punch or god forbid a kidney kick is an instant drop, that shit hurts more than words can describe
Nope it’s depends how you punch it
W B it’s depends how you punch it if you punch it soft nope if you punch it hard then yes
A liver punch may not be a touch of death but it feels like one
"It's a martial art that has merit - in a vacuum". LOL
"Bro! Have you ever tried to break out of a vacuum?!?!" - super duper master.
Everyone one knows the best MMA is Run Fu lol
No, it's Gun-Jitsu.
Nuke-Jitsu is even better, the US Air Force used it on the Japanese, twice, and won both times.
These comments killed me lmao😂😂😂😭😭
A Lone Pizza 😭😭
Is that the one where you run away screaming fuck you?
Started BJJ 9 months ago, I’m not the biggest guy but have always been physically active and competitive, powerlifting was a huge part of my life, and boy I agree with Lex: this is the most humbling sport but also the most technical. I love how cerebral it is, details and angles matter, adjustments can be made but it’s also quick paced. It’s definitely an absolute art as Joe claims
bjj folk need to get locked up for life using words like "humble", there's nothing even remotely humble about it, they make fun of other martial arts, bodybuilders, hell even other grappling styles all the time
You still training?
Finally Joe invited McLovin. He can really take a punch
11:00 somehow I can't see this guy being a "total meathead powerlifter".
I thought the same thing
Slimming from the suit perhaps
@@Tecolote41 jôjijohih
@@Tecolote41 hi
IMO, the whole modern Jujitsu split should be treated like this:
1. Learn Judo from zero to 1st Dan black belt for a HEALTHY BASIS.
2. Start learning BJJ to get the higher aspects of Ne Waza, while progressing several Black Belt levels into the refinement of Judo (a 1st Dan Judo Black Belt is not a master, but a "ready student").
3. When you get your BJJ Black Belt and your 6th Degree Dan Belt in Judo, start AiKido.
4. Aikido looks funny or unrealistic if you take it at face value, but any Judoka who has experienced and been taught Aikido techniques has surely learned that "oh fuck, this is extremely dangerous and painful": Apply Aikido with a Judo mentality, especially with a Judo MASTER mentality is probably the key.
Step 5 kid punched in the face by a boxer
@@AlexanderCollisa boxer obviously beats aikido but a boxer has no chance against a black belt judoka or BJJ fighter, it wouldn’t even be close
@@danielfrancisco9469 depends who the boxer is and who the bjj fighter is. Great boxer with Good sprawl and wrestling is a nightmare for bjj guy.
@@AlexanderCollis we’re talking about style vs style. If a boxer can wrestle then he’s basically a mixed martial artist. The point remains that a boxer that knows nothing else loses to a BJJ fighter or judoka almost every time
@@danielfrancisco9469not if the jiu jitsu clown is knocked out
Karate and BJJ saved my life.
Being a musician is to know that deep honesty.
the knowing you're always a student
Joe "We need good politicians, and by that I mean politicians that legalize muh weed" Rogan
The war on drugs costs the country about 193 billion per year. The FBI accounts about half of all drug crime to cannabis- if you want to keep pretending that wasting enough money to pay for all education in the US and ending world hunger combined, three times over every year, is not a big deal- that is your prerogative to act ignorant. If you think that creating black markets which drive up the value so high that shedding blood becomes worth it to some individuals creating a never ending cycle of violence is a smart move- your an idiot, and if you don't think stopping that is important- you're also an idiot.
EgadsNo hi Joe
Glow in the dark
@@EgadsNo my man I think he is joking
Can't believe ur username was allowed
The problem with Aikido isn't even the techniques; you'll learn a lot of techniques in Aikido that are similar or identical to BJJ techniques. The difference is the circumstances under which you practice them. Next to no Aikido schools force their students to use the techniques against an uncooperative, resisting opponent who is skilled and doing their damnedest to use them on you with any regularity.
This is totally correct. I did one belt of Aikido, and I found that some of the techniques were great, but that you were not really applying them in challenging environment. Aikido is certainly much better than nothing to defend yourself if you know about its objectives and limitations, but it is more a 'martial art' in the philosophical way, that a combat-oriented discipline. It is still a good exercise for people that cannot handle more intense training regimes, and the ability to fall correctly can be life saving.
so true
Exactly
there is nothing more difficult and at the same time fun as jiu jitsu imo
It is so cool to see someone that I would consider just a knot head like me and be nice to have a beer with be able to carry on a conversation with men of this caliber. You are my favorite interviewer.
We know how computers work. We have no idea how conciousness works .
Acinoralas
Agreed.
We'll learn in time hopefully before AI destroys us lol.
GO TO THE ORIGNAL ANSWER
Lawman think wider. consciousness is multidimensional.
Exactly right. Many people don’t stop to realize that science does not know what consciousness is. Thank God they keep trying AI with Binary. Because if they were using the holographic model to create AI, they may stumble into it.
"There could be someone out there with magic that could have escaped my grasp" hahahahaha
Joe "I don't like blanket statements" Rogan
It's disappointing to hear Joe say that. The truest martial art is the one that your practice diligently and faithfully all the time, the one that works for you. I love jiu jitsu, have been practicing it since 2002, but it does not complete me by itself.
That wasn't his point tho
Any martial art that cannot effectively incorporate modern day pocket sand techniques really shouldn't even be in the running.
This made me laugh harder than anything on TH-cam in a while.
Chong Liz Chong li!!!!!!! Hahaha good comment dude
ninja has been doing pocket sand since donkeys
I feel like I’ve hear dale gribble use that technique haha
Just started my first day it’s fucking awesome…if your nervous to go in on your first day don’t be… everyone is welcoming and willing to help you get where you need to be
10:00 I hope everyone gets to experience what Joe is talking about here. The utter helplessness of grappling with someone who actually knows how to do Jiu-jitsu. As a white belt, even a particularly good blue belt can give you that.
Jiu jitsu or mma buddy? Still debating on what to join I really want to take one of these badass sports seriously!
Not really.
BJJ white belt here who just took his 4th class. I literally sparred with a blue belt today and you exactly described what I experienced. It's been a humbling experience so far.
FACTS
The guest's argumentation here regarding a "death touch" move relies on placing the greater burden of proof on Joe, i.e. the more reasonable stance, and pointedly, the falsifiable stance. Per Russell's Teapot, the philosophic burden of proof falls on the person making unfalsifiable claims (the guest: death tough might be real), rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others (Joe: from what we know, it's not).
For anyone who felt the guest to be irritating, this is essentially why.
You my man are a genius
You my man are an idiot
He is not saying that there IS a death touch, he is simply saying that we can’t say for sure it hasn’t been figured out and forgotten in the past; or some hidden tribe has figured it out. He never stated that for sure it exists, simply that we cannot say it can’t or doesn’t yet exist. You would he correct if he said I know there IS a death touch and you cant say no because you can’t disprove it.
When is he going to hurry up and release Gordon Freeman from stasis?
Lololol
"Steven Seagal might be onto something"
**watches Steven seagal dance**
i am a jiu jitsu black belt, one day a friend who was doing aikido showed me a cross arm grip wristlock, i use it all the time , its more a grip breaker than a submission, but it works, sometimes if the dudes wont let go of the grip they tap
my first time going to a bjj class i was 16 and i swore i had everything down but i didn’t even know the purpose of the gi , and got cross choked from the mount by a smaller 19 year old blue belt , a year later i came back and my first roll i triangle choked a man who was at least in his mid 30’s and stangled a kid who had been training a little over a year with bow and arrow choke, never had had more confidence in my life jiu jitsu is the best thing ever
The "truest" martial art is a nice kick to the balls
People who have trained for years are used to pain and would just go at you harder, lol.
The art of fighting without fighting
Doesn’t work if people have no balls.
the smurf You have obviously not done a grappling because you will accidentally get hit in jewels from time to time, and it will be debilitating. Or you could be a girl? What do I know.....
I was going to say cracking a Jack Daniel's bottle over a mouthy motherfucker's head, but the ball kick is indeed far purer.
You can make any “ineffective” or “fake” martial art work if you include pressure tested martial arts, I do aikido and can make locks work because of my jiu jitsu and boxing training
akido does not work in the real world, one of the guys in my club has been doing akido for 26 yearss, but when it comes to striking.... dead meat.........he also holds 4 black belts.... akdio has no skills in the real world
@@Digitalcataloghub from what I've seen its very effective, the Israel's tend not to muck around when it comes to combat. From what i know they have taken bits from boxing, judo, karate etc and made it into a form. i guess when people do martial arts it depends on what they want from it- fitness, self defence, community, spiritual, mental etc... not everyone wants to fight, i have friends that do tai chi- they do it to relax.
no you cant lol
Every martial artist says their martial art is the best. Its about cultivating the self. Fighting is only one leaf on the tree of martial arts. Learn to fight get good. But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings, and how to live. All martial arts are good, they all go to the same place. Learn it all to forget it all. When your at the forget it all stage, there is no fight left. Then your art becomes you. Train hard, past your ability. Nothing beats disciplinary arts.
@Unimportant I also stopped at your first sentence.
hahahahah
"Every martial artist says their martial art is the best" except some are better than others, some are pointless
"Nothing beats disciplinary arts" you can be a karate black belt but a fit highschool wrestler will still take you down and beat your ass.
"But if your art is complete, it will teach you about your short comings" this really isn't true
I should've stopped at the first sentence but unfortunately didn't.
This sounds like the comment of someone who trains but never spars and never rolls. Get smashed and get good fuck boy.
@@MoooseBlood I can honestly see where you get that. But what I wrote is after 45 years of training. busted body parts all over, and just the politics of it all, after a while I just started to realize that there was more. I totally agree with you if you can't fight get the f*** out, no wimps allowed type of thing. But at some point when you get older you start to question the fighting and see it more as a stage then as the only means. It was something I heard in a martial art movie Once, if you want to fight by a gun, but if you want to be a good person, train in martial arts. At this stage I truly believe attitude is everything, fighting is just something you have to go through to prove yourself. I used to think that was everything. Maybe in the future I'll think something else.
Brazilian jiujitsu is such a amazing martial art getting humbled by someone smaller than you then over time being able to submit someone bigger than you is the most humbling experience that will give you real confidence
If the big guy knows martial arts even a lower skilled then the small guy then the small guy is f'ed
… Migliarese Brothers as well as Vogel Brothers are great to hear Lex acknowledge on this platform … good stuff 🤙🏼🤘🏼
The man is dressed like my doorman. But I like this conversation.
😂😂
Your doorman is an interesting fellow also, but doesn’t quote as many people.
Why do I just love to listen to the Joe Rogan show?
I'm a mauythai fighter and whenever I started bjj I go tapped a lot
it be like dat
This is what I've always wanted to say to people. I couldn't quite find the words, but Joe said it perfectly. If you box for 10 years, there's always the off chance a bigger or luckier opponent can completely embarrass you. In grappling, even if you're physically gifted, it's all technique and no luck.
Wow, finally! Lex said something I have being saying since the inception of MMA. ‘This scientific process of MMA’ I have never encountered another human being who ever agreed with me on this, so I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this. It is so correct. MMA is a series of scientific experiments that work towards a continual refinement and development of martial skill (granted it has limitations within the rule set and circumstances of being in a ring or octagon).
I have always tried to make the point that MMA has allowed for an improvement in self defence methods being made available to people. So many people are opposed to MMA because they just see it as senseless violence. MMA in my opinion can claim a moral victory in its development of martial skill. It is immoral to to teach someone methods of self defence that will get them hurt, when there is no excuse for ignorance of what actually works ....because it has been tested under realistic situations ....MMA.
MMA has realistic conditions? There are no groin strikes, throat strikes, or eye gouges. That's like 50 percent of the open handed training in many martial arts. Plus, who realistically fights without even a makeshift weapon, if one is at hand? MMA is a sport.
@nouvelhomme8990 you should try groin striking or eye gouging an MMA fighter and see what happens
" I am so relieved to hear someone who is highly intelligent, well educated, a scientist, who is a legit martial artist say this" ... are you trolling or what
@@tkugsify you should allow weapons inside the octagon or stay quiet
@@SINdaBlock411 i keep that thang on me
I love these limiting beliefs, it'll help keep them from people who lack the moral development to deserve that type of power.
Great comment. I agree
Judo is the truest martial art. BJJ is a specilisation of the newaza in judo, taught to the Brazilians by a Judoka. Jigoro Kano , the founder of Judo, developed a martial art based on perfect timing, leverage and technique.
And share Jigoro Kanos comments on Aikido?
“By the end of the 19th century, another school of Jujutsu was getting prominence beating several older schools in consecutive matches. This school was founded by Jigoro Kano and was called Kodokan Judo. Mataemon Tanabe, the then Fusen-Ryu master, challenged Kano school and his students won every match. Much to Kano´s surprise, they did not attempt throwing techniques, but rather went straight to the ground and applied Ne-Waza (ground techniques) submissions as arm-locks, leg-locks, pins and chokes. Kano, being very open-minded, was so fascinated by the Fusen-Ryu effectiveness, that he persuaded Tanabe to teach Kodokan students the concepts of his ryu´s strategy. Kano had consistently invited the heads of every Jujutsu ryu he encountered to incorporate their teachings into the Kodokan curriculum. The Ne-Waza component however became a major part of Judo influencing its development greatly. Among these early students were prominent to be Kodokan judokas by the likes of Yoshiaki Yamashita, Hirata Kanae, Tsunejiro Tomita, Sakujiro Yokoyama and Maeda - the latter being the one who eventually taught Judo to the Gracie family, which would later develop into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (some people think Jiu-Jitsu is actually a misspelling of Jujutsu, but as both are ‘romanised’ versions of Japanese Kanji script, neither is strictly speaking ‘wrong’).”
BJJ is essentially a renaming of the Fusen-ryu methods using Ne-waza, Kano agreed they were more effective than his Kadokan Judo and so incorporated them into his “judo”, he then took “Judo” outside of Japan, but they all come from Ju Jutsu.
@@IamDude2 See, here's the problem:
What you are referring to is also known as "higher judo".
The problem with BJJ is that they eliminated and overlooked the whole dimension of breakfalls, imbalance subtleties, and takedowns of the rest of the system.
BJJ basically gets away with teaching higher-level ne-waza techniques faster because they completely ignore the rest of the art of Jujutsu.
Ideally, you'd do this:
Judo until 1st Dan Black Belt -> BJJ (Judo advanced Ne-waza) + Advanced Judo (2nd-6th dan belts) -> Aikido.
@@davida.rosales6025 you do realise Judo ignores many elements of Ju Jutsu? I don’t think you actually read my post above, but in any case I disagree, I think the combination of wrestling and Fusen-ryu of Ju Jutsu (BJJ as it is now called) is most effective.
Joe"i remove my boots when im sneaking up to my prey" rogan
I worked out at the Quincy Vale Tudo club and went up against highschool/college wrestlers and football players. I was almost 30 and trying to get in shape while learning/improving grappling. I learned so much from everyone that submitted/rolled me. Most of the dudes were cool as hell and would, when asked, tell me how I they got to said position, how to identify, and try to defend against it. All the addtl' knowledge and wisdom that was shared, was phenomenal. Anytime I got "whooped", I needed to learn how/why.
Vale tudo means anything goes
@@anthonycaporaso4353 For sure. It was more of a name for their gym, to be honest. They def had rules
6:25 - "our imagination allows it to be true" - a lot like Aikido then
For REAL? Reality much? The reason Sensei Seagal doesn't death touch everyone is the same reason pro fighters don't go around choking and knocking everyone out: a heart of gold and the restraint knowing they could but shouldn't release such fury (like volcano) onto the human race. Spiderman said that with great power comes great responsibility. Grand Master general Captain Sensei Seagal understands that his hands are atomic fission bombs made of flesh; his legs are graceful like a ballerina's but angry, like a Tupac record; and his mind is as sharp as a Texas Instruments calculator...an expensive one...that does graphs. If he did as he pleased and unleashed, we're talking some World War III stuff right there. Oh and BTW, everyone, including Anderson Silva, was incorrect... Had he performed the instructions given to him by Archangel Seagal correctly, Vitor's head would've came clean off and I did not see that happen. Facts.
I hope you're not saying the touch of death is real
King Kong so the reaping sarcasm just flew over your head or are you just contributing to the obvious trolling?
Momo Yang
That's a bunch of bullshit. What are you stupid?
It's Grand Master VICEROY ADMIRAL General Captain Sensie Seagal.
spiderman didnt say that...uncle ben said that
"angry like a Tupac record" LOL
put Keenan Cornelius on. You guys would have an amazing conversation on jiujitsu.
Fuuuuuck yes!!!!!
My man gave us a “OOF”
It's funny now to see Lex and Joe in the early stages of their friendship while they're still getting to know one another
“The mat doesn’t lie.” 13:33. Awesome.
Neither does the street.
"Ronda rousey looks like a world champion Kickboxer"
So his opinion doesn’t really mean anything.
Notice how he said “looks like” and not “is”
Josiah P she didn’t “look like” one either
If you got into a fight in the real world, you already lost. Your goal should be to not put yourself in danger.
The touch of death was something very real and have an historical explanation. It's the same concept that the japanese "Issatsu", which means one hit one kill. The historical reason it existed is because during the era were ancient martial arts were developped, the average health level was very crappy. Like veeeeery crappy compared to modern days. People spent their life lacking food, lacking proteins from meat, calcium for the bones, and more importantly most of them were crippled by illness of many kind (thanks modern medecine and vaccines to prevent that now). The average man at this time was also living a life of hard labour. What is a common misconception today is that a hard labour is a great workout : it's true now because of medecine / food / etc but back in the day the reality was that it was crippling your body.
Then we had the martial artists / warriors. Warriors were among the wealthiest class on many society, having access to food, meat, etc. Both them and the martial artists were doing specific exercizes that reinforced their body, but in a controled way compared to hard labour. So no crippling injuries for the most. They were among the healthiest people of their era, and the strongest.
So what happens when a healthy, strong martial artist do a full force punch directly into the solar plexus of a man with a crappy health doubled with a crippled physique ? Good chances he's going to break ribs, perforate lungs or even stop the heart. And that from were the touch of death or Issatsu concept came from.
Sounds like a load of bollocks
@@nathanjudd6419 I'm sorry but your opinion means very little to me in comparison to facts.
@@Sadoruroagreed
I can definitely attest to most of what is said in this video. I was a typical highschool wrestler (folkstyle wrestling). I was stronger and faster than most of my opponents but didn't have the same foundation in wrestling tactics, so most of my wins were because I outmuscled them or caught them offguard because of my speed. But when I wrestled against someone who was stronger than me, I had to rely on my speed. And when I met someone who was faster than me, I had to rely on strength. The times I met someone both faster and stronger than me, I was completely screwed cause I didn't have the experience and guidance I needed to truly excel (head coach stepped down in my last year. Replacement was subpar). This is why I love training BJJ now. I can hold back on the strength and speed much more easily and focus on learning tactics and technique. Today, I'm a much better grappler than I ever was in high school.
I was a wrestler . I am naturally athletic and have a big frame and am strong ,205 with 7% body fat it is much higher now as I am up to 235 ish . I always relied on this . In BJJ I didnt often come up against guys my size unless we are travelling to compete. Then I learn the hard way how much I have been truly relying on my strength vs technique. It is funny because all of the smaller purple belts say they're owe their skill level to me because they wouldn't have gotten as good at their technique without my big heavy ass squashing them. I have a good wrestlers Base and a good top pressure game. Unfortunately for me being Thirty to fifty pounds heavier than most of the gym gave me the illusion of skill I did not have. As Ralph Wiggum says "I'm helping" . I lost a leg I few years ago I hope I can get back one day I miss the guys and the workouts.
@robbeam5599 my old gym has a decent number of guys our size who were whites and blues, so I was privileged enough to have open mats where I could go full throttle with someone knowing we're mutually going competition intensity. 😎👌🏾
@@LoneWulf1992 I am in a small town of 20 000 so it's not un common to have a class of 5 people. It's cool in a way. 205 is a weird class for ameture competition. a lot of times I would just go heavyweight. Because I didn't feel like cutting weight and also 205 guys are usually animals while a lot of heavy weights are just out of shape. Not always but often enough. Last time I competed at 205 in absolute submission I took silver but the guy who took gold really should have been kicked out because he injured three out of the five people he rolled with to get to me. I tapped to a very sloppy Kimura because he was very jerky and yanking with all his strength trying injure me. I might have rolled out it wasn't that tight but the guy had no controll and no respect. I have a job , a family and a shelf of trophies. One more wouldn't mean much. I'm getting too old for that shit. No one likes those kind of guys
@robbeam5599 I'm right there with you when it comes to tapping to aggressive gorillas. Had a white belt who did TKD and thought transitioning into BJJ would be nothing. He started getting subbed left and right, so he started going hard on his armbars. One of his was so sloppy, I just stood up to let him slide off. Dude was so ego hurt that he flung himself backwards to drag me down and go belly down. I tapped long before this but he did it anyways. No "revenge attacks" from me but he did end up going unconscious later on against a purple belt 😅
why would you hold back on strength and speed regardless of skill, that's just stupid
This Quote is quite interesting regarding ‘touch of death’:
“Pausanias relates the story of two boxers, Creugas and Damoxenos, who were competitors for the boxing crown at the Nemean Games, contests that at some point nearly rivaled the Olympic Games for their sacred aura.
The two men battled to a draw, and so it was agreed that each man would get one free shot at his opponent, to see if either one could be felled in such a way that victory might be declared. Creugas went first, and landed a blow to Damoxenos’s head. Doubtlessly addled (Pausanias does not describe the blow), Damoxenos requested that Creugas raise his hands from his sides, then landed a blow to his abdomen with an open hand, but with such force that he tore into the man’s midsection and disemboweled him on the spot.
The Nemean judges awarded Creugas the crown posthumously, but on a technicality; Damoxenos, they argued, had landed more than a single blow. Note that distinction: the judges objected to the number of blows, not to their violence. Pausanias, like most other Greeks, was much impressed by Panhellenic athletes who gave their lives for a crown. Most ancient Greek athletic sanctuaries were littered with monuments commemorating such untimely endings.”
So yah, touch of death is real.
KING CRIMSON
Joe and this guy are so on the boarder line of getting along haha
Regards the "touch of death" I spoke to Wang Hai Jun, 29 gold medal winner national champion of traditional Chen style taijiquan [the oldest form of Tai Chi] and he categorically said it is not possible to knock someone over or inflict damage to organs etc. without contact. In 1996-1998 he was the all round national champion of China of Tai Chi in every category. When touring China with top Shaolin masters doing demos he met the best traditional martial artists of every generation, old school and modern and he said there is no Chinese martial art that does this. You also cannot do this with qigong. There is some kind of hypnosis that a teacher can influence students to believe they are being pushed over but basically they trip themselves up. This will not work on someone on the street and certainly not with a trained fighter. What is real however is the ability to generate huge amounts of power from any part of the body from very short distances of one inch or less however this is seen cleanly in just a few hundred practitioners. 200 million plus people do Tai Chi, and add up qigong and other internal arts like Xing-yi and bagua and the amount of people out there fooling people is huge. I once offered Conor Mcgregors coach host a seminar for Wang Hai Jun and John Kavanagh was up for it but then his jiu jitsu coach wouldn't allow it as he has a policy of no traditional martial artists teaching at SBG. This was when McGregor fought Dustin Poirier for the first time. It was a sad moment for me as I love and respect MMA and traditional Taijiquan and if John's coach was more like Lex this could have been an amazing learning moment comparing training methods, techniques and actual fighting skills from a real internal martial arts highly decorated champion and the coach of more national champions than anyone else at the time the level and judging competitively was at its highest in China. Maybe next time I'm in Curitiba teaching I will get to meet Anderson Silva and have a chat about this. Anyway here are some names of the old school masters now in their 70's with skill Chen Jun, Chen Xiao Xing, Chen XiaoWang, Wang Xian, Chen Zhenglei, and the younger Wang Hai Jun who just turned 50.
Had my first Jujutsu class this week. Very humbling. I have a good build and weight (6ft tall and 180 lbs) and got stood no chance. My prior experience is all MMA, mostly striking.
I train Japanese Jiu Jitsu and bjj. Usually the same day. One for standing, one for the ground. My jjj is more well rounded for self defense. We train weapons in jjj. Knives, guns….
My Jjj instructor is a retired firearms instructor.
Bjj is more a sport right now. 1/3 of the aggression I experience in jjj. Both are extremely important. But my goals are self defense.
Well said! Absolutely!
You guys really underestimate boxing in matter of smaller guys defeating big guys on a street fight , personally i would never try to wrestle a much bigger guy on the ground cuz first he can escape my moves with his strength and can also smash my head with his fists , with boxing you have a much better chance of knocking him out
For the first 6 months of BJJ my aim was just to survive 😂
6:50 good quote
I've done Aikido, it can technically work against other martial arts but is usually unnecessary. Jiu Jitsu is the original that both Judo and Aikido derived from. Tai Chi is a more complete version of the same thing Aikido is trying to achieve but from a harmonious rather than defensive approach which is also different than offensive approaches.
@@haydenjory7109 Nope. Both Jiu Jitsu & Aikido are branches off of the original Jiu Jitsu from Japan.
@@SharifSourour jiujitsu is the developed ground version(ne waza) of judo. Originally even judo was called kano jujutsu.
So, judo didnt come from jiujitsu, but the latter branched off from judo, known as kano jujutsu before.
@@therandomnomad435 well the reason judo was called kano jujitsu was because it was not judo it was jujitsu, because jujitsu came first historically. The judo we know, perhaps different than what you are referring to here, was made for sport and removed the fatal techniques from its jujitsu origin. Aikido went a whole different route focusing on energy manipulation and innovating techniques based on grappling.
Ne-waza came from Fusen-ryu of JuJutsa, Kano’s students of his new Judo were beaten by another school convincingly by their use of Ne-Waza so he asked the master to teach his students Ne-Waza. BJJ is Ne-Waza, so although Kano, via Mitsuyo Maeda, taught the Gracie’s it was in fact Tanabe (fusen-ryu JuJutsa) who taught Kano who applied it to his Judo. BJJ is Fusen-Ryu JuJutsa
I agree, when it comes to handgun retention, entanglement training, break free training/CQB ....
We have looked at all different forms of martial arts and aikido doesn't match up.
"But have you kept an open mind to the idea that aikido can be useful?"
Did you hear what I said literally 3 seconds ago?
why do we keep talking about tony's hand trap to elbow like jon jones hasnt been doing it for years
Thankyou u for pointing that out to these fucks. Tonys unorthodox but he's not the first to fight like that
Kameron Fardad he thinks wing chun doesn’t work yet has no experience whatsoever with it . Smh.
Style bender did it his last fight too and he even talked about it on the podcast
Probably because Ferguson isn't a disgrace to the sport and art.
@@wishmeluck4933 but still credit should given where its due
I learned bjj at pat hardys school down in Texas. Learned under jason and that school was amazing. I was 135 and learned to roll and I loved it.
Sure haven't seen you at tpc recently
What the advantage of bjj over other martial arts
The war is the only martial art. The rest of it is rule-based hand-to-hand combat in some way.
Krav maga is pretty ruthless.
@@Vetreal Same for hung fut.
Joe, the draw back to BJJ is I have to roll on the ground in my suit to stop an attacker. Which style can I use to stop an attacker while I remain standing up?
Bare Knuckle boxing in it's earliest days used punching techniques to close to distance in order to wrestle an opponent to the ground and finish them with catch wrestling. Finding some balance of striking to lead to the takedown if you have BJJ would be ideal.
Muay thai
Haven’t done bjj, but I’ve just started judo a month ago, and the first time I did randori ( sparing ) against someone It was crazy. I was literally getting thrown left and right. Was literally so sore after practice . It’s crazy how most people think they know what they are doing, until they go into a striking or grappling gym and go against someone with years of experience .
More than half of Jui-jitsu moves you can’t pull them off if you are getting punched in the face or fighting multiple opponents.
BBJ is Good but it’s just one element in the universe of fighting.
Dan Mor I don’t think you know much about it considering you said bbj
I think BBJ is “bare back blowjob” in Thailand.....?
@@OBITOBI-_-I Don't be spelling/grammar police just to deflect his valid point.
@@OBITOBI-_-I So what defenses/attacks does BJJ have for knives or sticks/batons/makeshift clubs? Or do both parties need to sign a contract about what the rules are before the fight begins? I think we know the answer.
@@nouvelhomme8990 Any martial art that says it has a defense for those things other than running is selling you a bill of goods.
I discovered BJJ and currently a blue belt because of Joe Rogan🙏
...and the samurai understand the way of defending a sword attack! Wake up!!
Love Joe Rogan..he's such a good interviewer,great listener and I can appreciate his love for Jiu-Jitsu..just did my first week..I'm 6'6" 240lbs and was choked out and twisted up all week by kid's and little people alike!
lol joe said jui-jitsu came here in the 90's. i took my first lesson in 76 and continue practicing today. the jui-jitsu of today is a watered down version of what it was meant to be.
Muay Thai the best for striking
BJJ the best for ground game. Now before anyone gets defensive and butt hurt, wrestling has no submissions. Only pinning
wrestling4life
Wrestling in a real fight ground and pound
Take them down and beat them
Bjj is great but wrestling is also great
Muay Thai, Kickboxing, even Karate can be decent depending on the school. The fact is, all those arts have adapted. What you want to know is if your school competes in open tournaments, or just tournaments within their own art. That should be the tell.
"best" if fighting with mma-rules perhaps.
Without rules they are good... but I can think of better.
Joe" Brazilian Jiu Jitzu is just like the Bruce Lee Movies where the little guy beats the bigger guy" Rogan.
Does anyone else find this guest just insufferable? Like its not anything he says but the way he says everything.
Some people have Anti-Charisma.
TheAcad3mic 😂😂😂😂
Roenazarrek 😂😂😂
the host is insufferable, so he's probably just wondering why he signed up for this interview
Jui jitsu is a sport that uses aspects of martial arts. Just like all sports it has rules that cause blind spots for self defense in the real world.
There are many techniques in Jiu Jitsu found in Western and Chineae Martial arts as well.
Best martial art is quoting clever one liners..."Boards don't hit back"..."Da art of fuyting widout fuyting"...
As a black belt in Aikido all I can say is Aikido will never be effective until it is trained against, and adapted to combating the top martial arts in the field right now.
Instead of learning to defend against sword hand strikes and thrusting knife stabs we should probably be learning to defend against double leg take-downs and question mark kicks. Eventually you'd want to mix different types of sparring into it. The idea being you wouldn't be some zen master dodging every attack, you'd be blocking, defending, feigning attacks and keeping distance in order to look for an opportunity to apply a technique.
The core principles of Aikido, as far as I can tell are; Centre power (Kamae), redirecting energy and not causing long lasting harm to an opponent. The details of the art would change around these core principles.
The techniques in Aikido are mechanically sound. You can throw an opponent with a wrist or arm lock, the problem is applying the technique is almost impossible in modern combat, and the only way we know how to apply the technique is if an opponent lunged at us in a clumsy way.
If Aikido did all of these things; Resistance training, attacks to simulate Muay Thai & BJJ, then it could eventually evolve into a useful martial art if enough dedicated warriors pursued that task. However I don't think this is going to happen any time soon. If the art isn't allowed to evolve and adapt, it will die.
in other words, you should have done judo.
@@NidokingOtsutsuki I think MMA is the only complete art at the moment, even judo has its shortcomings.
@@Bletzkarn agreed, but judo is still sound, it isn't a waste of ten years like aikido
@@NidokingOtsutsukiWhy even bother compromising though? Just train straight MMA.
@@Bletzkarn sure. Thanks.
Yo joe... As far as jiu jitsu goes... By far it is the one who surpassess all the other ones i tried by miles when compared to being the truest.
Many other fighting Arts resemble the nature of our abilities used to navigate in life. At times we call it self defense and mainly because how we have evolved as people and states but it is used as offense or being the aggressor.
Jiu jitsu does capture, at least 50% of the human body and its actions related to the individual navigating through life either on offense or defense.
The crazy part is that with jiu jitsu, involves all your muscle groups even in the smallest moves or techniques and because it does so to the buddy so it is doing with the brain working and creating a mind that is close to reality of where do u stand in the foodchain.
Thats what makes jiu jitsu the truest. It gives you back the flexibility and movement that we once had in our mothers belly.
And since we are providing the nutrition for ourselves and not by our mothers as we would inside their bellies, we are now excersizing the brain and strengthing the mind. End result, we feel safe and some contentment with our efforts towards life or living
Wtf
i have been doing win chun for few years now i think i am gonna take jiu jitsu up as well
Perhaps jujitsu is the best one on one combat technique against armored opponents... historically speaking my understanding is it was developed for unarmed villager types to have a method to disable armed and armored opponents... but in unarmored combat a quick strike is always going to be the primary one-on-one fight starter and ender.
I’m a 5’5 dude. There’s no reason for me to start trading punches with a guy bigger. But if I can surprise him, rush him to his waist and send both of us down on the floor, I have a solid chance with bjj experience. That’s the difference.
Jujitsu was not developed by unarmed villagers.