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I think it’s also interesting that when you play the game in Jimmy’s perspective, Anya is a lot harder to find. When you do find her, she’s often with another crew member, never letting herself be alone in a room if Jimmy’s nearby. Meanwhile in the Curly flashbacks, she’s sitting comfortably in the lounge or the medical bay alone with Curly, not as meek as when Jimmy talks to her.
I thought this game was gonna be some cosmic horror story with some monster killing everyone on the ship No, its a monster killing everyone on the ship because he's a selfish asshole who can't handle the consequences of his horrible crimes
God damnit, I agree, but Jimmy is such a incredible and fascinating portrayal of a selfish asshole. He's a hypocrite, he's incompetent, he's whiny, his feelings are all over the place. He seems to both resent Curly and almost religiously admire him. Actually I'm willing to assume that almost all of his actions in the story are motivated by his goal to be like Curly and to impress him. I think's possible that he SA'd Anya just to get back at her for disclosing his super embarrassing fetish to Curly. And even after putting the poor man through physical and psychological hell and torture, Jimmy's goal was to keep Curly alive at all costs, even of that means prolonging his agony. And in Jimmy's mind he's doing what's best for Curly, he doesn't see the cruelty behind it. Obviously he's predisposed with what Curly means to him, not what Curly means to Curly. Jimmy's a menace, but he's so realistic. I just love to psychoanalyze characters who can rationalize and boil actual crimes they committed down to their personality flaws. How do you get from "I crashed a ship because the person I assaulted got pregnant" to "I just wanted to make my captain proud"? I don't know, but somehow the way Jimmy is written manages that seamlessly.
He also saw Daisuke slowly die and when it cuts to the hallway camera angle of Swansea axe him, it's the same angle Curly sees (presuming the medical door is left open).
@VirtualResidence if you get chance play or watch the dlc for how fish is made "One and then another". Its only a little bit but you get to speak to Curly post crash. He absolutely feels guilty.
@MrTourette-e6t I was wondering if it was the same Devs, it felt so familiar! I had completely forgotten that bit, it felt so random at the time. Thank you!
After finding out Jimmy assulted Anya it adds up why she doesn't like to give Curly the pills. You have to force open his mouth, put the pill down his throat and hear him gag....it was a trigger for her. Then the fact the only person who will do it being the man who caused the trauma..
Oh gods. Yes. It's physically violating another person by forcibly inserting something... Oh dang. Another dead pixel. Great observation, but... Thanks, I hate it. 😅😶
And it's even worse because Jimmy has the gall to get angry at her for being unable to do that to Curly. Another instance of him refusing to take the blame for things that are clearly his fault
I love how Swansea works as a sort of red herring, the game really tries to make us untrusting of him. I mean, an angry drunk with an axe? Oh he's definitely the threat! But no. His entire point is he KNOWS he's not "good" person, but he does what he can to be an actually GOOD person. He saves a cryopod to save one member (probably Daisuke), he keeps the axe away from others because he doesn't trust them with it (which is totally correct, somehow the drunk is the safest option to have an axe), and the only time he does something to hurt soneone is putting Daisuke down because he doesn't want him to suffer. Absolutely great writing
Swansea was my favorite character by far because he just reminded me of a beaten down man who wanted to see a young, spunky man who was a sunshine ray not get like him, as he had literally stated in the game. Really hit me as I've met people like that in real life.
@@agdtone He lived life, and didn't want the same path for anyone else. That's why he was fine killing Daisuke and not Curly. Curly also lived life, Daisuke was just a kid and deserved absolutely nothing.
I think after the burn, curly realized that Anya was assaulted by Jimmy, just look at the way he looks at the player. With nothing but pure hate and spite in his eye, to me that's the real horror, he knew but he couldn't do anything about it after the burn
Anya and Curly are the characters I fixate on the most, though I also really like Daisuke and Swansea, and I think they did a fantastic job of portraying Jimmy as an actual person who is a monster because of what he does, not what he’s born as - but I just think a lot more about the first two. Please forgive my rambling but I’ve been wanting to rant and rave about them for at least 24 hours and I really like this video a lot ;; I’d have loved to have sections of the game from a post-crash Curly’s perspective, because I fully agree, each time Curly and Jim interacted after the crash had an air of miserable clarity and hopelessness. (It’s perfect as is of course, post-burn Curly would know and think too much to keep Jimmy’s unreliable narration, it’d definitely weaken the well-crafted, fractured timeline) He didn’t do anything(*anything*) to help Anya when he (SHOULD HAVE) was still Captain Curly, and now he’s physically incapable of even uttering one of those pep talks he was always so eager to give, even to those who didn’t deserve it. Despite Jimmy’s actions being the root of all of this, his selfishness led to the two he betrayed the most “taking responsibility” - Anya ‘taking care of it’ by removing all evidence of his crime (self-termination), and Curly remaining to watch everything, everyone he loved be torn to shreds at the hands of his friend, as the sole survivor and sole suspect to the entire tragedy. He can only laugh when he sees Jimmy with the gun, Anya was right after all. The creators of the game did a fantastic job of writing such compelling, heartbreaking, and realistic characters. The “promising young man”, the ‘clueless’ friend, the silent sufferer. The struggle of accepting how monstrous a loved one can be, of accepting how horrific an experience is, of accepting how blind everyone else is - including oneself. And now, at the mercy of someone so vile and unable to comfort someone so betrayed, his jaw is forced open, and it’s time to take his medicine. He hopes this hurts.
@@plushehchan8643 I agree, if we ever get a sequel somehow, I just want Jimmy to suffer some type of hell like fate. But I'm pretty sure that'll never happen
i thought the implication was that anya told curly about the assault. when she told him she was pregnant, the exchange was something like "how is that possible? who?" "i told you."
@@Bala_Niranna I mean, clearly he didn't put 2 and 2 together right away. Because I feel like if curly already knew... well I mean he is the captain of the ship and has a firearm on board. He could have easily held Jimmy somewhere until they reached civilization with the help of the other 2 men on board. Maybe not Daisuke so much but assuming curly is roughly the same build as Jimmy, Swan and Curly could have put arrested Jimmy or even forced into a cyropod had they had the time.
@@plushehchan8643"I hope this hurts" NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!! THANK YOU!! This game has also been on my mind for more than a day and I kept thinking of how Curly, while not guilty himself did try to "fix it" for Jimmy - who assaulted his colleague?! I kept thinking of that line, because Jimmy wouldn't want things to hurt. He can't accept pain or responsibility or guilt, always making it someone else's fault or problem or saying he'll fix everything, while he burns everything down even more. But Curly... Maybe it's Curlys regret as well? Had he taken disciplinary action, and, let's say, locked Jimmy in a cryopod to keep him from Anya, this entire nightmare would never have happened. But instead he let the guy who just admitted to assault, walk away resolutely, unsupervised... Sorry, my turn to ramble, I am just so happy to get to discuss this game.
What I love story wise is even if the ship had not crashed, or the company hadn't been shutting down, Jimmy still did that to Anya. He wasn't a monster brought on by stressful circumstances, he was a monster because he could not take responsibility for anything going wrong in his life and felt he was owed more than he had.
You made a good point about the cocktail, i knew Anya was violated but the spiked cocktail and how quickly Jimmy considered it, it just sent shivers down my spine on how it can get so easily overlooked.
💯 the game really tricks you to follow its natural progression and not question things too much. Similar to the locked door scenario and then immediately afterwards Anya ends her life.. you don’t think about it immediately in a bad light but rather just creative foreshadowing.
Curly assuming the best of people left him pretty unequipped to handle the reality of his friend being worse than he could ever imagine, it's actually fucking tragic how many chances to do the right thing Curly served to Jimmy on a platter just really trying to give him a chance to prove that his trust on him wasn't misplaced, only to find out he was beyond help or understanding when he was in no condition to intervene or even speak. Swansea was a real one for trying to kill him with an axe tho
The horror of curly’s situation lingers with me even more. He spent four months in that state, knowing the truth and powerless to do anything about it. Ironically it’s like he’s an infant at jimmy's mercy. When jimmy put him in that pod and walked off screen there’s a delay before the freezing starts. I remember thinking after all that it never would and he’d sit there waiting to die.
Curly's fate definitely makes me think of I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream. Just imagining being present, having full conscience and awareness yet being unable to move or communicate is pure horror
I also think it is implied that the cryo process does not render you unconscious. So, 20 years of being alone with the scrambled eggs that are his mind until the end.
@agdtone And not to mention the severe pain. Like, hes been in constant pain since anya downed the last of the meds. He watched as his best friend destroyed everything. He would be in shambles by the time hes found if at all. He probably wouldnt even be able to talk.
i basically spent the whole two hours yelling "JUST LET THE MAN DIE". Even in the end he wasnt put out of his misery. even if by some miracle someone finds him, then what? dude has no skin! he's just doomed to endless pain and psychological trauma
18:15 curly goes on to joke "thanks, now I'll always be looking for it" referring to the dead pixel. this could either be a nod to the player replaying the game, you'll be looking for the "dead pixel" (signs of the abuse, and jimmy being the bad guy all along). additionally it could be about the burden of knowledge. curly is used to looking at the big picture, he believed that jimmy was alright and didn't bother to look closer. being given information about jimmy's flaws, and his crimes, maybe he would react with the same levity: "cheers, this is ruined for me now." he doesn't want to see the dead pixel.
I'm so glad to find someone who understood the subtext of Anya's storyline. Especially a man. I was getting tired of watching men talk about the game and completely miss the fact of what Jimmy did to her. I could tell before the bigger hints were dropped that she was scared of him, and I intrinsically knew why. Drives me crazy to see how easily I could tell contrasted with how easily others missed it.
Yep for most I believe if you just play it once it may never dawn on you. I think it’s because of the way the developer laid out the story. I think also on first viewing for myself I felt like Curly.. missing the point because Anya did not outright say it.. relationships can go bad was my thought at first, and I did get jimmy is abusive vibes.. but like I said when I combed through the dialogue it jumped off the page, sinking my heart in the process. Glad you liked the video and hope it continues to enlighten people who wouldn’t have otherwise known about the games plot!
i too felt very relieved when he said it out loud, i know for women is way easier to realize because we are wary of it at all times all of our lifes, it's refreshing when a man fills in the gaps and realizes himself
Oh my god, this is so true! I literally completed the game 3 times and didn't understand why Jimmy is a bad guy because he's just like me. Thank you kind sir for sharing this assault plot subtext. It seems only women can understand this secret meaning behind the game, aha!
I only picked up on it in the first go because I've been SA'd by a man like Jimmy (I'm a guy, for context as to why I am responding to the comment). Her fear of him and having to be around him because she worked with him (which was my situation as well) meant she had to be somewhat nice to him, even after the crash, in order to protect herself and maybe as a defense mechanism. She and Curly were my favorite characters and Curly being someone she was safe with strengthened that. I think everyone but Jimmy deserved to live and while Curly fucked up in trusting Jimmy, I do understand his want to believe in the good in people since even now I still have that as well. We also see that in Anya in the fact that she did not seem to believe that Curly was evil even when she was led to think he had caused the crash. Honestly the whole cast is written so fantastically and if you're not paying close enough attention, I could see some people sympathizing with Jimmy at the end since he "saved" Curly and showed what some might mistake for remorse... Only then you just have to look back and see that when Anya wa locked in the room, Jimmy never expressed concern for her and only Curly. He only brings up saving Anya to convince Daisuke to help him.
To be fair, it's extremely unfair to assume men didn't pick up on the subtext just because they won't mention it. TH-cam makes it hard for creators to know how they can talk about sensitive things without demonitization, so it's easier to avoid it. Men get shot down A LOT, very often by women, for talking about such subjects because they are accused of having dirty minds that were able to pick up on that because they are capable also doing that. If a man related at all to Jimmy, why would he admit to picking up on the subtext but also still finding him relatable? Isn't that quite the meta discussion surrounding a game with themes about taking responsibility? It's much easier to just pretend they don't see it than have to tread carefully in very unsafe social waters, especially when that huge hot-button issue wasn't the main thing they wanted to talk about anyway. We're in a post-GamerGate world and I'm not going to get mad at anyone for either having such awesome lives that they don't pick up on SA cues since they have no experience or for just not wanting to talk about it.
"I have to believe that our worst moments don't make us monsters" Hits so fuckin different once you know what Jim did to Anya She literally has to make herself believe that Jim isn't a monster, because if she doesn't... The implications would destroy her. Implications/what she'd have to accept: - Jim is a monster who r'd her. - Jim not only r'd her, but then crashed the ship. - Crashing the ship came right after she had vented to Curly. Of course, it's not her or Curly's fault what Jim did, but guilt isn't always rational. Seeing Curly, the one man she had trusted, in such a horrific state... There's no way she wouldn't be wracked with guilt, blaming herself for what happened. _If I only had kept my mouth shut, and not told Curly that it had been forced on me, this wouldn't have happened_ , is what she would think. - At the same time, I think she'd be mad that Curly had refused to give her the gun because now look at what happened!! - If Jim is a monster, then that means he shouldn't be around the baby when it's born. But she wouldn't have a choice in the matter, since Jim is captain... - Jim, a r'pist, is the leader of this ship now. - She is the only woman on a ship surrounded by 3 able-bodied men who may be into women, one of whom has already forced himself on her at least once before the crash. - Food will eventually run out, and when it does, the mouthwash will be all that's left. - If the mouthwash ends up being all that's left, that's probably not at all enough for the baby, not to mention the possible fetal alcohol syndrome that could result from consuming all of that alcohol in the mouthwash. - If the food runs out and the mouthwash is all that's left, that means those 3 men including her r'pist will end up perpetually drunk from the mouthwash. With her, again, being the only woman around. - By the time she has the baby, there may not be any food left for it. Sure, she can breastfeed for a while, but if all she has to consume for sustenance is alcohol mouthwash... That surely can't make for healthy breastmilk for a baby? So the baby likely wouldn't live long... - Even if she wanted an abortion, how could it be done? I doubt they have the proper equipment there, and she probably doesn't know if the guys are pro life or pro choice or what. What if they wouldn't even try to help figure out how to give her one? I think at some point she may have come to these realizations, and as a result she felt her only option was an overdose... Oh, and theory: Anya was never after the gun. She only led Jim to believe that so that he would have to walk away to find the code, and therefore she'd have time for the overdose to kick in. I think she also did intend to kill Curly, but she couldn't bear having to shove pills down his throat to do so. Bonus theory: she can't handle shoving the pills down Curly's throat for one simple, sad reason: it reminds her of the r'pe. Either the cries of Curly as she tries to do it, or a more literal interpretation that Jim, well... put his you-know-what in her mouth during the assault... or both. Either way, having to give Curly the meds triggers her so deeply that she couldn't bear to shove the pills down his throat to overdose him.
This line is something that really makes me reflect on Curlys role in all of this. You hear it from Anya. You hear it from Jimmy. They both got it from Curly. Anya tells it to herself so she can still interact with Jimmy at work. Jimmy tells it to himself so he can live with what he did. Curly tells it to himself so he can maintain his friendships with a rapist. It was his way of smoothing the waves and basically downplay the SA to hold the crew together. It's unfortunately a very plausible way of things going down.
I took Curly, as someone who didn't understand the fact that she was assaulted. I feel as if he just thought Jimmy would be a deadbeat father, and wanted to help correct that. I cannot remember the exact line but it struck me because jimmy says that curly will always remember that phrase. (I think it was the take responsibility or something).. but it hit so much harder when you know curly is the only survivor, by the time he is in the cryopod he knows that he messed up and that he will live with the responsibility of not really helping Anya after the assualt, the good crew members dying, and if he gets rescued he will always be horribly disfigured and probably unable to tell the story of what happened.
Thank you for your comment! It is an amazing addition to the discussion! I love the idea of Anya having guilt for the crash even when she didn't cause it, because that could certainly reflect someone who just experienced SA.
@@VirtualResidence I think Curly always had good intentions overall, but he and everyone involved was in denial of sorts. There's this dialogue: Anya: I'm pregnant. Curly: Pregnant? Who would you- Anya: Captain. I _told_ you. I think Anya was drugged and the only thing she knew was that Jimmy did _something_ to her. She told Curly, and I guess they both kinda hoped that what happened wasn't 'that bad'. Victims often tend to downplay what happened to them. Anya was scared of rocking the boat too much. Curly wanted to keep the peace. Only when the consequences of the SA, the pregnancy, became clear, everyone had to acknowledge it and... take responsibility. Clearly not everyone had what it took for that...
You know that the two are not mutually exclusive right? There do appear to be hints throughout that they have had a relationship of sorts prior to the events of the game.
@@MrTourette-e6t it's not exclusive but every instance of anya interacting with jimmy has shown her to be so uncomfortable around him. and i fail to read any hints at anya and jimmy having any sorts of romantic relationship, if anything more implication is shown with anya and curly, and jimmy hurting anya as a one-up at curly because he was obsessed and envious with the captain.
@nafsii04 that's not true and even if it was, why would it be evidence they were not in a relationship? There are a number of scenes, especially post crash where Jimmy are Anya are alone and Anya is quite nice/friendly with Jimmy. Pointing to another bit of media as an example look at the walking dead and Carole (it's probably the most famous example I think of off the top of my head right now). She actively bristles everything Ed is around and it's clear Ed is abusing both. It's a sad state of affairs, but there are plenty of examples in the real world too of people living with/sleeping next to their attackers. I'm not sure why it's considered so controversial to interpret how personal Jimmy gets to Anya as evidence of a relationship.
amazing bro did not even watch the whole video. i think about four seconds after he says they were dating he goes over how thats actually incorrect. do you fucking watch things befor eyou lose it in the comments?
Edit: 16:32 yep, you got it, there you go The scariest thing is the implication of Jimmy r'ing Anya. We get no real indication of them being in a relationship afaik, and Anya is clearly distressed to the point of hiding the gun just to protect herself from Jimmy. That doesn't sound like a relationship where the pregnancy came from willing...
I find people's way of displaying the lack of humanity in humanity itself to be chilling. In a game like this where the danger could be in space itself, or a cosmic being, or even technology failing, a human being's selfishness is what leads to the demise of this crew. The one thing they could turn to for help or comfort was each other, and that is exactly what ended up being their enemy.
This is exactly why I love the movie The Shining over King's own interpretation of the story. The movie seems to make it more ambiguous if there is even anything actually supernatural, or if it was all human isolation and insanity. King didn't like the movie for this reason, he had written the shining about something supernatural. But to me, humanity can be far scarier than anything humanity tries to invent to be scary. I also thing that is a big inspiration for the game, Anya looking so much like Shelley Duvall seems to me like a clear nod to that
@@DocterCoconut I definitely like the book, but I also love the movie more. If Anya is a nod to Shelley Duvall, that's awesome; she was a great actress. Another great example of whether the threat could be human or supernatural (or both) is The Lighthouse by Robert Eggers. When ambiguity is done well, it can really work to make a story more disturbing. For me, what makes it so scary to see that the threat is human is that it gets rid of the separation between the audience and the danger. You can't hide behind the 'this isn't real, so it will never happen' excuse.
I'm thinking about the name of the game, mouthwashing. Might be far-fetched, but it's making me think of the phrase "washing one's hands of something" as refusing to partake in certain actions or take responsibility for one's actions. Jimmy is the one doing mouthwashing here, he's washing his mouth of the space ship crash and possibly even the suffering he's caused Anya, he's refusing to own up and tell others about his deeds. And on the topic of Anya, her being pregnant during the mouthwash discovery explains why she isn't enthused about drinking it. Mouthwash contains alcohol, famously bad for babies.
Agree with the mouthwashing name, all the actions he took were rooted in trying to "wash away" his problems I think Anya was more scared of being alone with a bunch of drunk men, one of whom who has already r-worded her at least once. If there was a way she couldve aborted the baby, she probably wouldve and never told curly about what happened, especially considering he was best friends with her r**pist, her boss, and well regarded by everyone.
@@vl5164 Yeah it could be also fear of seeing them all drunk, but even then, she thought of drinking the mouthwash at least once. Knowing exactly what alcohol does in pregnancy, and who's the father, I can't blame her for considering the idea.
Great analysis! This game has stuck with me since I watched a playthrough of it a few days ago. I never expected to get so attached to the characters, especially Anya. This game has some of the best writing I've seen in any media in a long time. As a woman, the twist of this game hit me really hard. At the very beginning of the game, I remember feeling sad for Anya because she was the only female on board. If I was in her shoes I would have felt very uncomfortable, especially for such a long voyage. It's not that all men are evil and will hurt you: it's that there's always the possibility they could. It's much more likely that someone will get assaulted by someone they know rather than a stranger. Someone you once liked and trusted could turn on you at a moments notice and destroy your life. It's just something we are forced to live with every day, but we put it in the back of our minds so we can continue on as normal. I dismissed my initial feeling of sadness for Anya as me being overly harsh and I didn't expect the game to go that direction. But it did. And by the end I felt sick to my stomach. Being harassed at work and having to toughen up and deal with it is something that happens to people every day. It's not always women, but a lot of the time it is. Not only was this happening to Anya, but she was forced to live constantly around her harasser for months and months. She was forced to be in rooms alone with him as he made gross jokes. She had 4 other people she could talk to at all and one of them was hurting her. Even in her own bed she wasn't safe from him, as the company failed care enough to put locks on the doors. There was nowhere she could go to get away from him. That's a fucking nightmare. Even after she told Curly about the assault and pregnancy it seemed like he was more willing to give his friend the benefit of the doubt than get him in trouble. After all, it would reflect poorly on him since he probably got Jimmy that job, and that he let his bad behavior continue for so long on his ship to the point someone got raped. I'm sure he was trying to look on the bright side and thought he could somehow fix everything. But Jimmy and Curly are so blinded by the prospect of "taking responsibility" that they don't stop to think about how Anya feels. She will never be the same again, even if everyone is held accountable. Her mental scars are just as permanent as Curly's burns. For a game set on a spaceship and full of cosmic horror, way too much of it was very familiar. I don't know if I've seen this topic handled with so much nuance and care in a game before, but it's amazing. Huge props to the devs.
This is probably one of the most upsetting horror games I’ve ever seen. In the end, Jimmy took the easy way out like a total coward he was. The crew would’ve been safe if they replaced Jimmy with a bear. Horror games where the scares come from humans being humans, or lack thereof are the best.
Holy I just realized that both the cake scene with post-crash Curly and Curly on fire scene are definitely just jimmy’s delusions, believing Curly is somehow still being a sympathetic friend and ready to sacrifice/ take the blame (take responsibility) for all his actions. (“If anyone ever finds us, I’ll still be playing the villain”) Like not once, after the crash, have we ever seen actual Curly’s inner thoughts or dialogues (ofc he cant talk) and most of “his” dialogues with Jimmy are just from Jimmy’s imaginations
Although I hate how some seems to miss that Anya was assaulted, I do really appreciate how the devs made a game about assault where the situation isn't exploited for horror or shock in a explicit scene. Anya as a character gets treated with respect from the Devs in a way she doesn't from Curly or Jimmy, by being taken seriously and her pain is discussed and shown but never leered over. I also can't helpt but notice how her design reminds me so much of the female lead from the Shining, where the actrese famoulsy got bullied by Kubrick on set. Anya at least gets the grace of her pain and story being shown and told, but the graphic torment is that of Curly, her boss and maybe friend who did nothing to protect her.
man i was caught off guard by the way my heartbeat quickened with rage when you showed jimmys face the first time. i dont think ive hated a fictional man this much since Griffith. like damn i love this game so goddamn much and it shot up to the top of my list of "never trust a man who relates to the main character" masterpieces
sadly i saw a person in the comments here say they were just like jimmy and their post included (about the SA) "truly something only a woman would have noticed" or something along those lines. huge blech
honestly your observation about anya was my immediate assumption after she revealed she was pregnant and immediately afterwards talked about how she wanted to protect herself and make sure “he” never got the gun, so i’m glad to know i’m not the only one who came to that conclusion. it also makes jimmy’s reaction make a bit more sense in a way? like it wasn’t “i lost the one job i was good at and now i’m gonna be a father”, but “i lost the one job i was good at and my horrible crime is going to have consequences”
Mouthwashing: You can (not) take responsibility 2.0 This story is very tragic and messed up. Jimmy is an absolute monster, and it's really scary because people like him do exist. What he did to Anya was disgusting. He used his friendship with Curly to downplay what had happened just to save his own skin, then once the jig was up decided to crash the ship and blamed it all on Curly. Also, during the part where they're trying to get into the medical room, notice that he coerces Daisuke into going into the vent first which led to him getting mortally wounded. Everything bad that happens is because of Jimmy.
im likely pointing out something very obvious here, but it was something i found interesting. when you start the game and you're (unknowingly) playing as jimmy crashing the ship, there are baby crying sounds in the background when you run out of the cockpit. it's foreshadowing, but i also see it as a depiction of his mental state and exactly what was going through his mind when he did what he did. great video btw!
good video for me the true horror of the game was figuring out what jimmy did half way through the game and realizing that i was playing as the monster all along.
I will say that after a second look, the constant nausea that Anya carries throughout the game is a very common sign of pregnancy. And with the way she tries to run away from jimmy when it happens after she cares for Curly- it just hurts so much to watch
I’ve noticed in the comments a certain misconception about abuse/trauma situations that has popped up a couple times in the comment section and figured I would give my two cents as a survivor myself. (No offense to anyone who has mentioned this, I would consider it rather fortunate if you cannot relate to Anya the way I can.) Many people have questioned why Anya would be somewhat “cooperative” and “nice” with Jimmy during the game and have suggested that this is evidence that they had to be in some kind of romantic relationship or that it would make more sense overall if that were the case. But the true nuance at play there is far more simple yet still incredibly horrifying. Anya was not in a situation where it was safe to confront her attacker, and frankly, she was in the difficult situation where her coworkers did sympathize with her plight to some extent, but either didn’t understand the full severity of Jimmy’s behavior, or at worst were unwilling to hold him fully accountable due to the difficult survival situation they were all in. And worse still, it’s clear from how Curly handled the pony comment situation that this lack of accountability for Jimmy making unwanted advances towards Anya was something of a pattern, yet not taken nearly as seriously as it should have been. This told Anya that she had no choice but to play “nice” with the man that hurt her so irrevocably for the sake of her own survival. That’s not residual romantic feelings or the sign of a former relationship, it’s a critique on how corporate culture has and continues to silence victims of workplace sexual harassment and abuse, and how even well intentioned people like Curly can unwittingly enable or defend an abuser simply because they feel they know them, not realizing that the most dangerous attackers are the ones that know how to behave in front of others, and will present themselves very differently to their friends and acquaintances, regardless of how depraved they might be behind closed doors.
It may have been a mistake on the dev's part, but there is a strange timeline inconsistency in Jimmy's internal narrative. Jimmy says Anya locks herself in medbay 4 months after the crash while later, when he's pushing Daisuke to go into the vent, the narration says it's 2 or 3 months. I'm thinking this inconsistency is intentional. And what Jimmy describes as months might actually be days or weeks at most.
It's very weird to say that about someone like Jimmy, but I think he's a compelling villain. And I mean a true, real life villain, not a Disney one. And he wouldn't be nearly as compelling if we didn't play half the game from his perspective. He's such a scumbag, such a pathetic excuse of a human being, such a worm. His selfishness is so real but it's so complex you can't help but wonder how could anyone be so delusional to rationalize their actions the the way he did. You understand that Jimmy's a human, an actual person, not a mustache-twirling evildoer. But that's also what makes him so disgusting, because you know that people like him exist.
When she says she had told him at 10:32 after he asks "who would you" sounds like a relationship with Jimmy was not known. So, maybe she had told him about the assault like many people believe it happened, but came to realize she was pregnant just later on. And at the end Jimmy tells Curly they were confined or something like this, blaming that to excuse getting her pregnant or having assaulted her?
i genuinely thought that the cryopod was meant for Anya but for it to be meant for Daisuke is also a nice touch. It did show that, despite his disgruntlement, Swansea did care for him a lot. Maybe he saw in Daisuke a little bit of himself? Maybe a part of him that could have been or was once before that moment? It's interesting seeing Mouthwashing that, even the title itself, has some other meaning in it. Mouthwash is used to cleanse yourself off bad bacteria infecting your gums, teeth and tongue. Teeth could be stand in for: power, weapon, advantage and/or predator/y. Teeth get dirty when you eat or drink something that, over time, could ruin it. Therefore, mouthwash is used to protect and get rid of those factors that might ruin your teeth. Leaving a pleasant, light and clean feeling left behind. Completely getting rid of all that nasty feeling of filth. The problem in this is that Jimmy is incapable of cleansing himself because there is nothing to cleanse when he's rotten all the way down to the root. Making it impossible to achieve that pleasant clan feeling.
@@VirtualResidenceeither that or Dai-su-kay, which is how it would likely be pronounced in Japanese? But idk if Daisuke is a Japanese name in origin or not
Wow, I'd never heard of this game before, but I'm planning to buy it now. I love the look of it, and kudos to the developers for crafting such a dark narrative in a way that (at least based on your video) comes across as realistic and sensitive to the material. It also seems like there's a level of subtlety that most games lack in their storylines. Can't wait to play it. Great job with the video.
It gives what Silent Hill hasn't been able to give in years, yet is still very much its own defined thing with its own strong identity rather than being a 'silent hill-like'.
Full disclosure I am loving SH2 remake but I also agree that they haven’t been great in years. Luckily SH2 has a great story and just updating gameplay and graphics, doesn’t change that epic tale!
Thanks so much for making this video.. Just reading the comments and all that makes me realize that people like jimmy just *exist*. I decided to go read the reviews and it's honestly shocking that no-one else really read this deep, and glimpsed the sheer depravity of Jimmy. I'm not usually one to look super deep into stories, because I'm stupid, and I can say for certain that I just never would have figured this out myself. I'm left sitting in my room at 1 in the morning, speechless. I don't even want to move on from just thinking about this game right now, like I shouldn't or something.
The moment I watched a playthrough and something clicked I felt so uncomfortable the whole time, knowing that Jimmy has been a horrible person and I think crashed the ship out of fear of responsibility for his actions. He comes back and has to deal with a kid, the backlash of 🍇ing Anya, and no job. He would much rather live in delusion and kill everyone than to be held responsible and that’s terrifying. “Take responsibility” can be seen as Jimmy being delusional and imagining Curly chastising him, it could be Curly feeling guilty for himself, or it could play into Jimmy’s delusion on how he thinks he’s being responsible as a captain. Whatever it is, the motif of “taking responsibility” could be applied to what Jimmy did to Anya.
I think the most horryfying thing i witnissed was jimmy feeding curly to himself and the puzzle, god the puzzle. To extend the moment and make you do it again and again is always something that will terrify me on a personal level. And you have to think about it, you cant button mash your way out of the puzzle to brute force it. It might be a cute and venerated trait but I hate being an extremely empathetic person, i feel people's pain, i cant watch people in pain in horror, it pains me physically. I'm empathetic to the point i am empathetic to the worst people, the deepest depraved criminals to pedophiles who don't seek help. It was hard not to be empathetic to the bastard that is jimmy and to disconnect myself. Its my strong suit but a double edged sword without a handle. Im a late diagnosed autistic person, which might recontextualize the thought process, i have to look back to written morals and be like "hmmm yes, bad people are bad".
In the politest way possible... I think your estimation that 99.9% of people would have missed Anya's truth is a little naive. I think most women who play this game would pick up on the context clues during playthrough without having to reflect after the fact, as it's a living reality for many of us. Things like the mention of the locks on doors, the gun to protect herself, and her anxiety and upset over the baby are all screaming red flags.
@@VirtualResidence Ah, clearly the reference flew over my head. Just seemed a bit of an odd connection to the topic at hand. I assumed it was playing more into the standard youtube "99% of you won't know this fact!" kidna titles. Might not of been the best framing device in reference to SA, but that's just me.
Jimmy is truly one of the most evil character i ever saw because until his last despicable breathing moment he through he wasn't evil, he was just misguided and stressed but the truth he tried to hide to himself is that he's simply an evil monster who couldn't accept his nature. Even through what he most likely did to Anya is evil i think him putting Curly into the cryogenic capsule is even worse because he actually died thinking he was the hero
I know usually with games like this I'm usually content to watch my favs playthrough it, but for once I actually will purchase it for myself because it's just such a gem of a game
The game still lived rent free two days after the credits. That's a level of horror that's completely unmatched by anything else I've ever watched or played in the past. Good horror scares you in the moment, great horror subverts your expectation and leaves you thinking about it long after the credits roll.
i know this is reaching but the fact jimmy name and subtitle is colored green is to make sure he is "Green" or the Good guy and Curley being white is like a blank canvas, for us to intrepet him as anything we think he is
@11:30 You said Swansea knows Jimmy is gonna be a father, so he could care less about Jimbo using the pod. But Anya is dead by the time he says that.... Never really heard about stone dead mothers giving birth @ that stage of pregnancy (she still looks fairly small, gotta be under 5 or 6 months, but who knows with it being a game n all).
I may have not stated that as clearly as I should. I know Swansea is more to the tune of "I Don't give a S*** if you use the pod and lie about what happened here" and not because of him being a father, but rather because Swansea gave up since he just had to kill Daisuke. But thanks for the constructive criticism Ill try to imoprove the way I state little pieces in the future!
I had no clue that the people who made this also made How Fish Is Made, which is also great and I cant believe I didnt notice it sooner. Easily this game went in my top 3 best horror games. Probably next to Soma and Outlast
I’m not big into outlast (maybe I need to give it another chance).. but Soma is definitely up there for me as one of the greats extremely cerebral psychological horror games… I personally think Frictional’s best game.
I just played it last week and you’re right, after finishing the game I was like there’s something I’m missing. Thank you for the deep dive it was great
Same I cannot wait to see what the Devs bring out in the future, I also really think with the overall decline of AAA games market that these retro style games are going to feel really fresh to those who are burnt out on endless GAAS and open world bland experiences. I hope that make a large profit and make like a 8 hour game with a similar vibe and another great story!
@@VirtualResidence yeah! They deserve all the love they get. So many stories use r'pe and SA in cheap and exploitative ways... So a story that handles it as well as this is always great to see
@@VirtualResidence yeah and everyone is also tired of the AAA market due to many factors: the well-known widespread mistreatment of workers; the threat of AI taking over the jobs; massive layoffs every time you turn around; and then there's the fact that you need such a beefy expensive computer to play _most_ modern AAA; and then the sheer price itself. Like, you want me to pay $70 for a game when you mistreated your employees on crunch time the entire time and you also require me to have some $3,000 worth of computer specs to even play it in decent quality? No thanks. I've had just as much if not more fun on itchio Hot/possibly-lukewarm take: Death Stranding for example sucked as a game and if you name any popular itchio game it's probably leagues better, cheaper, takes less beefy a computer, and has a cooler story than DS (as good as the Death Stranding graphics are, the game is a glorified walking simulator with bits of a movie mixed in.) Also, yakuza like a dragon can't play on my PC, but a 400-mod Minecraft modpack can. Minecraft, a game that I haven't spent a cent on in 14 years. Still alive and getting a ton of enjoyment because of the cool people coding free mods Let's see, lemme rec you some indie horror games I've really enjoyed: - No Delivery by Oates on itchio: you play as a worker (your job is randomized each run) doing various things around a restaraunt/arcade. But there's creepy shit going on the deeper you delve in. Puzzles to solve, mysteries to solve, all in a backdrop of horror happening both around and in front of you. Some slapstick, some genuinely creepy and mysterious. Also, its use of the rpgmaker fight system was so cool, utilizing it in ways I didn't even know you could get rpgmaker to do in the first place! I can't recommend this enough, it's got tons of content to explore. - We Know The Devil on steam: it's a very cool horror vn (with choices) that I'm not even sure how to describe. Better for you to experience yourself. It's somewhat short, but it's just as long as it needs to be. I have only played this title by the devs, but their other stuff looks very good as well. - Children of the Devil by Stanwixbuster on itchio: oh. Oh my god. Where do I even begin? The art style, the aesthetic, the story, the characters, God, it's all so weird but so amazing. It really deserves more love. I don't even know how to describe its aesthetic but it's one I've never seen before and haven't seen since. If you check it out I'd love to hear if you liked it or if you make a vid!
been waiting for a good mouthwashing analysis video, and you really gave the game justice. thank you for shedding light on anya's story, as it's something i feel is very overshadowed in conversations about the game. awesome video, keep it up :)
You know, the funny thing is when I first watched Mouthwashing, I was expecting like some kind of eldritch horror, or some horrible shit being caused by the Mouthwash, or maybe they had been transporting a monster that got loose. Oh, there was a monster alright. Just a little more "human" than I expected.
I still love me some classic RPG Maker games but yea I think in general a lot of people will start appreciating games with great narratives that come from passionate people vs.. corporate committee crap that we see consistently in the AAA market.
When you mentioned Anya being the only woman onboard my first thought was "oh no she's going to get r'd isnt she?" i forgot about it over the course of you explaining the bigger story- only to have it hit my like a truck when you brought up something else happened to her...
To me, "I have to believe that our worst moments don't make us monsters, Jim." Is not even about curly crashing the ship, and is instead about why Jimmy did... What he did. Her way of almost rationalizing that theyll be on that ship for another 8 months together, and I think her decision to "take care of it" came from that belief falling apart, unable to see Jimmy as anything else but the monster he was
I love how this horror is psychological and hes just got space madness and hes losing his sanity to his own denial of mangling his friend and damning them all to horrible deaths over losing their jobs. Its so good i cant even articulate everything i like about it
This was great video about a fantastic game but I feel like perspective changes what are the "surprise elements". As a woman, being introduced to the crew and realizing Anya was the only woman in the ship already brought me discomfort, it was not where I thought the game would go but -as she says on her conversation with curly about the dead pixel- it was already on the back of my mind the entire time, so the confirmation that it did happen was not a shock but a sad punch to the gut. Also, i agree with your take that she spend the entire game asking for help and it going unnotice but I also take her comment as her knowing all along she could be in danger due to being the only woman on the ship. She has to have that information on the back of her mind to stay alert while continuing her duties, then after it happens, the event just keeps repeating on and on on her mind, and now more than ever she knows the danger she once just thought of as a possibility became reality and she will have to re-live it everyday, 1 because she's stuck in the ship for many more months, 2 because it could happen again, 3 because there is a physical reminder of what happend inside of her. So I take it as her trying to push the memories to the back of her mind so she can carry on for the rest of the cruise.
the worst part about this is bc theyre in space, theres literally nothing that can be done about jimmy. i believe thats what the conversation with swansea was, when anya said "yes im understand completely", i think it was in response to something along the lines of "that guy is a piece of shit but we're not really in a position to do anything about him, im so sorry". even if the crash never happened, theyre in the middle of space with the better part of a year left to go, not even sure if that includes the return trip. even if she told everyone, what can they do? the only options are murder or just. living with it. at best they could shun him and that probably would have ended with him going postal on them in a different way. doubt the company would do anything if she told them, might even reprimand her for "putting herself in that position" or something else sinister and awful
This game didnt make as much sense to me at all until i watched this review. Thank you for such a clear and concise breakdown, I cant wait to see future stuff from you man
I choose to believe that Curly didn't realize what was done to Anya until it was too late. I know it seems more horrible at first to have a man who is complacent with his friend r'ping a woman but it just doesn't fit Curly in my mind. He cares a lot about her, most of his flashbacks feature her, and while we could say that is because of narrative necessity, I think it very much was to show that he cared very deeply for her. I got the sense that she was the one he was truly closest to on the ship. He might have said Jimmy was before the crash but I really do think it was Anya and even he came to that conclusion in the end. She also spent the most time with him and as someone with medical background, if Curly had survived four months with the horrible injuries he had then Anya must have been doing everything in her power to keep him alive. I know it is said that she didn't finish nursing school (or at least implied), but we never find out why. Given even with the job she has, she doesn't have any savings or financial means. She could have been a brilliant budding nurse who was unable to finish due to money rather than skill. I have reason to believe she was with Curly surviving through everything. Really though, and I say this as someone who has been SA'd, it is so much more horrifying in my mind to unknowingly enable an abuser only to find out after you have no power to do anything to fix it. Curly sees the best in people, sure, but I have no doubt in my mind that Jimmy abused that and manipulated the situation. That doesn't absolve Curly for not seeing it sooner, but I find it infinitely more tragic to have unknowingly allowed someone the ability to cause immense harm to a person you care for only to watch helplessly as that person is destroyed due to your actions.
I think is quite interesting that the only moment we see Curly's face is when he tries to talk about the pregnancy with Jimmy, before the crash. I was imagining Curly all the game like an older guy, typical captain stereotype, considering he's doing the same job for years now. But instead he's actually young and quite handsome. Or at least, he's better looking than Jimmy lol. I think is quite obvious that Jimmy is actually jealous of Curly, not only for all his achievements and/or his looks, but probably because he's actually a good guy, respected and cherised by the crew. Meanwhile Jimmy can't help but to be an asshole to everyone, and knows he's there exclusively thanks to Curly. So of course he tried to escape from his crap, and later got drunk with the title of captain when Curly was out of the way. I bet that attacking Anya wasn't even justified by some twisted "unrequited love" for her (he can't even bother to have allucinations of her out of guilt, just the abortion because is a problem for him) only frustration and desire to have control over something, anything, like the weakest member of the crew, the only one who couldn't fight back.
This game has haunted my sleep for 2 days now, its the best psychological horror game to me, almost no jumpscares but the anticipation of one gets you everytime. Also the scene near the end with the weird baby monster was gutwrenching to me because as a woman watching a man's playthrough i instantly knew what it was and was horrified and it actually took him a while in comparison. Also, the monster you then run from is so different, the game breaks its own established rules. The creature is fast for one, all other monsters are kind of slow, this one isnt and its also really loud compared to any others. Especially after following the eye's in the corridor scene as well, when the monster is on the wall you dont expect it to move, it got me so hard when it scuttled away. In fact, that scene may be one of two in the game with actual jumpscares.
Swansea's face seems perfectly designed to get you to associate him with bitter, ignorant old people with delusions of superiority, and his presentation is frontloaded to put him in situations that pose him as that archetype. It predisposes you to have disdain for him as jimmy seems to
Also, Swansea is said to know the ship and the equipment the best. So why did he kill Daisuke instead of putting him in the cryopod if there was any chance it would save him? My guess is that it either won't save him or just keep him in prolonged pain, since Swansea didn't even consider the option (and despite being the drunk, he makes a lot of really apt observations and choices).
You know I watched 2 other small essays about this game and have some things pounted out that I missed but the thing about Jimmy and Anya just gave me another reason for me to actually celebrate Jymmi's (purting themselves in the forever box) at the end. Now all I hope is that in the end Curly does get rescues and civilazatuin is THAT evanced to actually restore him, at a working funktion at least
kind of unrelated to the themes of the game but wanted to share, me and some random person who happened to be named jimmy in the chat of a stream of this game hated jimmy so much they asked to be voted as new jimmy and i was appointed vice jimmy. the internet is delightful. jimmy SUCKS
6:48 I think what pisses me off the most about this interaction in hindsight is how it becomes clear that, after you figure out Curly’s not the one that crashed, Jimmy STILL truly believes Curly is the one at fault for his own destroyed state. To me this shows that Jimmy is entirely *incapable* of understanding that other people are not as selfish as he is. So, to him, Curly voluntarily going into the cockpit was just Curly trying to be a hero to be a martyr and not, you know, SACRIFICING HIMSELF TRYING TO SAVE JIMMY’S DUMB ASS. What also pisses me off, however, is what that says about Curly. Then you compare that mindset to Curly’s, “Our worst moments don’t make us monsters,” and then you realize, just as Jimmy is incapable of understanding true selflessness, Curly’s mindset makes him completely blind to absolute evil and selfishness. He was always going to end up betrayed by Jimmy somehow, and he was always going to defend Jimmy, even if he did fully know Jimmy SAed Anya. He would do it because he maybe even *still* thinks Jimmy is completely redeemable and *must* be secretly a decent person. Which, actually, makes him a horrible authority figure. He failed to protect Anya, and he kept making excuse after excuse for Jimmy, giving him power over everything and everyone. Normally I don’t see the point of railroaded videogame novels where the player doesn’t get to make choices of their own, but this is an outstanding example. The writing is absolutely amazing, and the fact that the twist is that Curly and Jimmy are actually complete foils of one another is so well done. Even down to the fact Curly pre-crash even kinda looks like Jimmy but with blue eyes and blond hair. Both of them have been life-long friends, but everything that happens was because both of them are entirely fucking blind to eachother’s true selves. It would be so easy to put Curly on a pedestal and say that, if Jimmy is bad, Curly’s mindset should be striven towards, but I think there needs to be a balance between the two.
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I think there is further nuance beyond what you've highlighted here. I actually think there is some evidence Anya and Jimmy had some degree of consentual relations prior to any abuse. I believe Jimmy is a psychopath in the literal sense. He can be very charming and persuasive when he needs to be, but is also prone to fits of rage when things dont go his way. I took the view he managed to initially charm Anya and they had a secret thing going on. But after that his volent outbursts, controlling nature and the psych evaluations started to show Jimmy had some serious issues. I think Anya getting Curly to do the psych eval was actually her way of trying to draw Curlys attention to the fact something isnt quite right with him. Curly had concerns too. Curlys only "dream" sequence is a load of warning signs and alarms immediately before Jimmys eval. I also think this idea fits better with why Jimmy crashed the ship. He loses his job, his mentor, his girlfriend and probably any say in his childs life. He has had all control ripped away from him and he tries to wrestle it back by killing them all. I dont think he cares Anya is pregnant. I also think this also explains why Anya remains "nice" to him post crash. She knows hes a psycho and so to keep him calm she flatters his ego and lets him take control. Once things start to slip and she realises there is no resuce coming she makes her own decision to "leave". Edited to clear some typos. And to say nice video, good work 👏
While it is a very well-crafted and told game, for the £11 price point, I felt there just wasn't enough of a game in there for what you're paying for. It's not very often I feel like a game could be adapted to make for a fantastic novel but Mouthwashing would make for a really interesting one, where aspects of the narrative can be elaborated on and danced around to greater effect.
I do get what you mean, but try a different perspective!.. you go to a movie in the theater and pay probably $15 dollars depending on location and time.. most of Hollywood shlock doesn't scratch the depth of this games narrative, and you only get to see it once for that $15. Mouthwashing is a quick play that honestly much like classic horror games you could always go back in a few years and replay it! I would love their to be more lore into the games world and how it became a dystopia, and what earth is like!
@VirtualResidence True. I guess it's expection though, I know what I'm getting going to the cinema. I was completely unaware that I'd get through this in less time than I've spent sat in a cinema for some films. That said, if I'd have known it was only 2 hours long, I honestly wouldn't have bought it and probably watched someone playthrough it instead, which is a shame because the devs deserve something for their hard work. My game backlog is too big to replay games 😂
Last comment: at the judgement, wasn't there a moment where Jimmy apologies to Curly, and someone, maybe the game goes "...only to him?" Or something like that. I am not sure and I'm not gonna replay to check, but I remember it because I kept having the "BUT WHAT ABOUT ANYA - or Daisuke, or Swansea, or his children and wife, you absolute d*ckwaffel of a man"... One of the most painful things in this game, after the fact, is how absolutely devoid of self reflection Jimmy is. Which is so wonderfully poignant considering how much this game is making me reflect about it.
I love this video- seeing a playthrough recently has gotten me obsessed! But heads up, as someone who learned Japanese, Daisuke is pronounced "die-soo-keh" not "die-sook" :)
It’s weird and I don’t know if it’s just me misinterpreting things, but I found it pretty obvious that there was SA in the story. I’m wondering if that’s because I’m a woman who always has to keep myself safe from being alone with strange men or if it’s something else entirely that informed the guess? I know experience can affect media interpretations.
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I think it’s also interesting that when you play the game in Jimmy’s perspective, Anya is a lot harder to find. When you do find her, she’s often with another crew member, never letting herself be alone in a room if Jimmy’s nearby. Meanwhile in the Curly flashbacks, she’s sitting comfortably in the lounge or the medical bay alone with Curly, not as meek as when Jimmy talks to her.
That’s is a phenomenal find! Good job noticing it!
I thought this game was gonna be some cosmic horror story with some monster killing everyone on the ship
No, its a monster killing everyone on the ship because he's a selfish asshole who can't handle the consequences of his horrible crimes
I love cosmic horror, but wow this plot is so much scarier because sociopaths like Jimmy walk around everywhere!
@@VirtualResidence horrors beyond one's comprehension vs horrors very well within one's comprehension
@@VirtualResidence might want to censor yourself for spoilers
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God damnit, I agree, but Jimmy is such a incredible and fascinating portrayal of a selfish asshole. He's a hypocrite, he's incompetent, he's whiny, his feelings are all over the place. He seems to both resent Curly and almost religiously admire him. Actually I'm willing to assume that almost all of his actions in the story are motivated by his goal to be like Curly and to impress him. I think's possible that he SA'd Anya just to get back at her for disclosing his super embarrassing fetish to Curly. And even after putting the poor man through physical and psychological hell and torture, Jimmy's goal was to keep Curly alive at all costs, even of that means prolonging his agony. And in Jimmy's mind he's doing what's best for Curly, he doesn't see the cruelty behind it. Obviously he's predisposed with what Curly means to him, not what Curly means to Curly.
Jimmy's a menace, but he's so realistic. I just love to psychoanalyze characters who can rationalize and boil actual crimes they committed down to their personality flaws. How do you get from "I crashed a ship because the person I assaulted got pregnant" to "I just wanted to make my captain proud"? I don't know, but somehow the way Jimmy is written manages that seamlessly.
Just realized that Curly had to watch Anya kill herself and could do nothing to stop it
Yea and im sure he feels responsible (take responsibility)
Another small detail i noticed, which is sad irony is that rope they placed bets in never using, is the same rope used to tie him to the chair.
He also saw Daisuke slowly die and when it cuts to the hallway camera angle of Swansea axe him, it's the same angle Curly sees (presuming the medical door is left open).
@VirtualResidence if you get chance play or watch the dlc for how fish is made "One and then another". Its only a little bit but you get to speak to Curly post crash. He absolutely feels guilty.
@MrTourette-e6t I was wondering if it was the same Devs, it felt so familiar! I had completely forgotten that bit, it felt so random at the time. Thank you!
After finding out Jimmy assulted Anya it adds up why she doesn't like to give Curly the pills.
You have to force open his mouth, put the pill down his throat and hear him gag....it was a trigger for her. Then the fact the only person who will do it being the man who caused the trauma..
Disturbing but logical assessment!
Oh gods. Yes. It's physically violating another person by forcibly inserting something... Oh dang. Another dead pixel. Great observation, but... Thanks, I hate it. 😅😶
The morning sickness can't be helping, either
And it's even worse because Jimmy has the gall to get angry at her for being unable to do that to Curly. Another instance of him refusing to take the blame for things that are clearly his fault
I love how Swansea works as a sort of red herring, the game really tries to make us untrusting of him. I mean, an angry drunk with an axe? Oh he's definitely the threat! But no. His entire point is he KNOWS he's not "good" person, but he does what he can to be an actually GOOD person. He saves a cryopod to save one member (probably Daisuke), he keeps the axe away from others because he doesn't trust them with it (which is totally correct, somehow the drunk is the safest option to have an axe), and the only time he does something to hurt soneone is putting Daisuke down because he doesn't want him to suffer. Absolutely great writing
I may need to start drinking.. sounds like you become a better person lol
Swansea was my favorite character by far because he just reminded me of a beaten down man who wanted to see a young, spunky man who was a sunshine ray not get like him, as he had literally stated in the game.
Really hit me as I've met people like that in real life.
He was not a nice man, but he was a good one.
Close your eyes Daisuke. 💔💔💔
@@agdtone He lived life, and didn't want the same path for anyone else. That's why he was fine killing Daisuke and not Curly. Curly also lived life, Daisuke was just a kid and deserved absolutely nothing.
I think after the burn, curly realized that Anya was assaulted by Jimmy, just look at the way he looks at the player. With nothing but pure hate and spite in his eye, to me that's the real horror, he knew but he couldn't do anything about it after the burn
Anya and Curly are the characters I fixate on the most, though I also really like Daisuke and Swansea, and I think they did a fantastic job of portraying Jimmy as an actual person who is a monster because of what he does, not what he’s born as - but I just think a lot more about the first two. Please forgive my rambling but I’ve been wanting to rant and rave about them for at least 24 hours and I really like this video a lot ;;
I’d have loved to have sections of the game from a post-crash Curly’s perspective, because I fully agree, each time Curly and Jim interacted after the crash had an air of miserable clarity and hopelessness. (It’s perfect as is of course, post-burn Curly would know and think too much to keep Jimmy’s unreliable narration, it’d definitely weaken the well-crafted, fractured timeline) He didn’t do anything(*anything*) to help Anya when he (SHOULD HAVE) was still Captain Curly, and now he’s physically incapable of even uttering one of those pep talks he was always so eager to give, even to those who didn’t deserve it. Despite Jimmy’s actions being the root of all of this, his selfishness led to the two he betrayed the most “taking responsibility” - Anya ‘taking care of it’ by removing all evidence of his crime (self-termination), and Curly remaining to watch everything, everyone he loved be torn to shreds at the hands of his friend, as the sole survivor and sole suspect to the entire tragedy.
He can only laugh when he sees Jimmy with the gun, Anya was right after all.
The creators of the game did a fantastic job of writing such compelling, heartbreaking, and realistic characters. The “promising young man”, the ‘clueless’ friend, the silent sufferer. The struggle of accepting how monstrous a loved one can be, of accepting how horrific an experience is, of accepting how blind everyone else is - including oneself. And now, at the mercy of someone so vile and unable to comfort someone so betrayed, his jaw is forced open, and it’s time to take his medicine.
He hopes this hurts.
@@plushehchan8643 I agree, if we ever get a sequel somehow, I just want Jimmy to suffer some type of hell like fate. But I'm pretty sure that'll never happen
i thought the implication was that anya told curly about the assault. when she told him she was pregnant, the exchange was something like
"how is that possible? who?"
"i told you."
@@Bala_Niranna I mean, clearly he didn't put 2 and 2 together right away. Because I feel like if curly already knew... well I mean he is the captain of the ship and has a firearm on board. He could have easily held Jimmy somewhere until they reached civilization with the help of the other 2 men on board. Maybe not Daisuke so much but assuming curly is roughly the same build as Jimmy, Swan and Curly could have put arrested Jimmy or even forced into a cyropod had they had the time.
@@plushehchan8643"I hope this hurts" NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!! THANK YOU!! This game has also been on my mind for more than a day and I kept thinking of how Curly, while not guilty himself did try to "fix it" for Jimmy - who assaulted his colleague?! I kept thinking of that line, because Jimmy wouldn't want things to hurt. He can't accept pain or responsibility or guilt, always making it someone else's fault or problem or saying he'll fix everything, while he burns everything down even more. But Curly... Maybe it's Curlys regret as well? Had he taken disciplinary action, and, let's say, locked Jimmy in a cryopod to keep him from Anya, this entire nightmare would never have happened. But instead he let the guy who just admitted to assault, walk away resolutely, unsupervised... Sorry, my turn to ramble, I am just so happy to get to discuss this game.
What I love story wise is even if the ship had not crashed, or the company hadn't been shutting down, Jimmy still did that to Anya. He wasn't a monster brought on by stressful circumstances, he was a monster because he could not take responsibility for anything going wrong in his life and felt he was owed more than he had.
Yep he’s just a villain through and through
You made a good point about the cocktail, i knew Anya was violated but the spiked cocktail and how quickly Jimmy considered it, it just sent shivers down my spine on how it can get so easily overlooked.
💯 the game really tricks you to follow its natural progression and not question things too much. Similar to the locked door scenario and then immediately afterwards Anya ends her life.. you don’t think about it immediately in a bad light but rather just creative foreshadowing.
Curly assuming the best of people left him pretty unequipped to handle the reality of his friend being worse than he could ever imagine, it's actually fucking tragic how many chances to do the right thing Curly served to Jimmy on a platter just really trying to give him a chance to prove that his trust on him wasn't misplaced, only to find out he was beyond help or understanding when he was in no condition to intervene or even speak. Swansea was a real one for trying to kill him with an axe tho
Swansea 😢💔
The horror of curly’s situation lingers with me even more. He spent four months in that state, knowing the truth and powerless to do anything about it. Ironically it’s like he’s an infant at jimmy's mercy.
When jimmy put him in that pod and walked off screen there’s a delay before the freezing starts. I remember thinking after all that it never would and he’d sit there waiting to die.
It’s truly horrific because we all know that company isn’t coming to save the crew.
Curly's fate definitely makes me think of I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream. Just imagining being present, having full conscience and awareness yet being unable to move or communicate is pure horror
I also think it is implied that the cryo process does not render you unconscious. So, 20 years of being alone with the scrambled eggs that are his mind until the end.
@agdtone
And not to mention the severe pain. Like, hes been in constant pain since anya downed the last of the meds. He watched as his best friend destroyed everything. He would be in shambles by the time hes found if at all. He probably wouldnt even be able to talk.
i basically spent the whole two hours yelling "JUST LET THE MAN DIE". Even in the end he wasnt put out of his misery. even if by some miracle someone finds him, then what? dude has no skin! he's just doomed to endless pain and psychological trauma
18:15 curly goes on to joke "thanks, now I'll always be looking for it" referring to the dead pixel. this could either be a nod to the player replaying the game, you'll be looking for the "dead pixel" (signs of the abuse, and jimmy being the bad guy all along). additionally it could be about the burden of knowledge. curly is used to looking at the big picture, he believed that jimmy was alright and didn't bother to look closer. being given information about jimmy's flaws, and his crimes, maybe he would react with the same levity: "cheers, this is ruined for me now." he doesn't want to see the dead pixel.
I'm so glad to find someone who understood the subtext of Anya's storyline. Especially a man. I was getting tired of watching men talk about the game and completely miss the fact of what Jimmy did to her. I could tell before the bigger hints were dropped that she was scared of him, and I intrinsically knew why. Drives me crazy to see how easily I could tell contrasted with how easily others missed it.
Yep for most I believe if you just play it once it may never dawn on you. I think it’s because of the way the developer laid out the story. I think also on first viewing for myself I felt like Curly.. missing the point because Anya did not outright say it.. relationships can go bad was my thought at first, and I did get jimmy is abusive vibes.. but like I said when I combed through the dialogue it jumped off the page, sinking my heart in the process.
Glad you liked the video and hope it continues to enlighten people who wouldn’t have otherwise known about the games plot!
i too felt very relieved when he said it out loud, i know for women is way easier to realize because we are wary of it at all times all of our lifes, it's refreshing when a man fills in the gaps and realizes himself
Oh my god, this is so true! I literally completed the game 3 times and didn't understand why Jimmy is a bad guy because he's just like me. Thank you kind sir for sharing this assault plot subtext. It seems only women can understand this secret meaning behind the game, aha!
I only picked up on it in the first go because I've been SA'd by a man like Jimmy (I'm a guy, for context as to why I am responding to the comment). Her fear of him and having to be around him because she worked with him (which was my situation as well) meant she had to be somewhat nice to him, even after the crash, in order to protect herself and maybe as a defense mechanism. She and Curly were my favorite characters and Curly being someone she was safe with strengthened that. I think everyone but Jimmy deserved to live and while Curly fucked up in trusting Jimmy, I do understand his want to believe in the good in people since even now I still have that as well. We also see that in Anya in the fact that she did not seem to believe that Curly was evil even when she was led to think he had caused the crash. Honestly the whole cast is written so fantastically and if you're not paying close enough attention, I could see some people sympathizing with Jimmy at the end since he "saved" Curly and showed what some might mistake for remorse... Only then you just have to look back and see that when Anya wa locked in the room, Jimmy never expressed concern for her and only Curly. He only brings up saving Anya to convince Daisuke to help him.
To be fair, it's extremely unfair to assume men didn't pick up on the subtext just because they won't mention it. TH-cam makes it hard for creators to know how they can talk about sensitive things without demonitization, so it's easier to avoid it. Men get shot down A LOT, very often by women, for talking about such subjects because they are accused of having dirty minds that were able to pick up on that because they are capable also doing that. If a man related at all to Jimmy, why would he admit to picking up on the subtext but also still finding him relatable? Isn't that quite the meta discussion surrounding a game with themes about taking responsibility? It's much easier to just pretend they don't see it than have to tread carefully in very unsafe social waters, especially when that huge hot-button issue wasn't the main thing they wanted to talk about anyway. We're in a post-GamerGate world and I'm not going to get mad at anyone for either having such awesome lives that they don't pick up on SA cues since they have no experience or for just not wanting to talk about it.
Someone I saw saying on another video is that... Jim really didn't have any flashbacks of Anya. Most likely didn't even see her as human.
"I have to believe that our worst moments don't make us monsters"
Hits so fuckin different once you know what Jim did to Anya
She literally has to make herself believe that Jim isn't a monster, because if she doesn't... The implications would destroy her.
Implications/what she'd have to accept:
- Jim is a monster who r'd her.
- Jim not only r'd her, but then crashed the ship.
- Crashing the ship came right after she had vented to Curly. Of course, it's not her or Curly's fault what Jim did, but guilt isn't always rational. Seeing Curly, the one man she had trusted, in such a horrific state... There's no way she wouldn't be wracked with guilt, blaming herself for what happened. _If I only had kept my mouth shut, and not told Curly that it had been forced on me, this wouldn't have happened_ , is what she would think.
- At the same time, I think she'd be mad that Curly had refused to give her the gun because now look at what happened!!
- If Jim is a monster, then that means he shouldn't be around the baby when it's born. But she wouldn't have a choice in the matter, since Jim is captain...
- Jim, a r'pist, is the leader of this ship now.
- She is the only woman on a ship surrounded by 3 able-bodied men who may be into women, one of whom has already forced himself on her at least once before the crash.
- Food will eventually run out, and when it does, the mouthwash will be all that's left.
- If the mouthwash ends up being all that's left, that's probably not at all enough for the baby, not to mention the possible fetal alcohol syndrome that could result from consuming all of that alcohol in the mouthwash.
- If the food runs out and the mouthwash is all that's left, that means those 3 men including her r'pist will end up perpetually drunk from the mouthwash. With her, again, being the only woman around.
- By the time she has the baby, there may not be any food left for it. Sure, she can breastfeed for a while, but if all she has to consume for sustenance is alcohol mouthwash... That surely can't make for healthy breastmilk for a baby? So the baby likely wouldn't live long...
- Even if she wanted an abortion, how could it be done? I doubt they have the proper equipment there, and she probably doesn't know if the guys are pro life or pro choice or what. What if they wouldn't even try to help figure out how to give her one?
I think at some point she may have come to these realizations, and as a result she felt her only option was an overdose...
Oh, and theory: Anya was never after the gun. She only led Jim to believe that so that he would have to walk away to find the code, and therefore she'd have time for the overdose to kick in.
I think she also did intend to kill Curly, but she couldn't bear having to shove pills down his throat to do so.
Bonus theory: she can't handle shoving the pills down Curly's throat for one simple, sad reason: it reminds her of the r'pe. Either the cries of Curly as she tries to do it, or a more literal interpretation that Jim, well... put his you-know-what in her mouth during the assault... or both. Either way, having to give Curly the meds triggers her so deeply that she couldn't bear to shove the pills down his throat to overdose him.
This line is something that really makes me reflect on Curlys role in all of this. You hear it from Anya. You hear it from Jimmy. They both got it from Curly. Anya tells it to herself so she can still interact with Jimmy at work. Jimmy tells it to himself so he can live with what he did. Curly tells it to himself so he can maintain his friendships with a rapist. It was his way of smoothing the waves and basically downplay the SA to hold the crew together. It's unfortunately a very plausible way of things going down.
I took Curly, as someone who didn't understand the fact that she was assaulted. I feel as if he just thought Jimmy would be a deadbeat father, and wanted to help correct that. I cannot remember the exact line but it struck me because jimmy says that curly will always remember that phrase. (I think it was the take responsibility or something).. but it hit so much harder when you know curly is the only survivor, by the time he is in the cryopod he knows that he messed up and that he will live with the responsibility of not really helping Anya after the assualt, the good crew members dying, and if he gets rescued he will always be horribly disfigured and probably unable to tell the story of what happened.
Thank you for your comment! It is an amazing addition to the discussion! I love the idea of Anya having guilt for the crash even when she didn't cause it, because that could certainly reflect someone who just experienced SA.
@@Maurrokh that alongside "we can fix this"
@@VirtualResidence I think Curly always had good intentions overall, but he and everyone involved was in denial of sorts. There's this dialogue:
Anya: I'm pregnant.
Curly: Pregnant? Who would you-
Anya: Captain. I _told_ you.
I think Anya was drugged and the only thing she knew was that Jimmy did _something_ to her. She told Curly, and I guess they both kinda hoped that what happened wasn't 'that bad'. Victims often tend to downplay what happened to them. Anya was scared of rocking the boat too much. Curly wanted to keep the peace. Only when the consequences of the SA, the pregnancy, became clear, everyone had to acknowledge it and... take responsibility. Clearly not everyone had what it took for that...
anya is NOT jimmy's girlfriend. he is her ASSAULTER. anya asked curly why the doors to their hindquarters weren't locked.
Yes that is Anya’s Truth!
You know that the two are not mutually exclusive right? There do appear to be hints throughout that they have had a relationship of sorts prior to the events of the game.
@@MrTourette-e6t
it's not exclusive but every instance of anya interacting with jimmy has shown her to be so uncomfortable around him. and i fail to read any hints at anya and jimmy having any sorts of romantic relationship, if anything more implication is shown with anya and curly, and jimmy hurting anya as a one-up at curly because he was obsessed and envious with the captain.
@nafsii04 that's not true and even if it was, why would it be evidence they were not in a relationship? There are a number of scenes, especially post crash where Jimmy are Anya are alone and Anya is quite nice/friendly with Jimmy.
Pointing to another bit of media as an example look at the walking dead and Carole (it's probably the most famous example I think of off the top of my head right now). She actively bristles everything Ed is around and it's clear Ed is abusing both. It's a sad state of affairs, but there are plenty of examples in the real world too of people living with/sleeping next to their attackers. I'm not sure why it's considered so controversial to interpret how personal Jimmy gets to Anya as evidence of a relationship.
amazing bro did not even watch the whole video. i think about four seconds after he says they were dating he goes over how thats actually incorrect. do you fucking watch things befor eyou lose it in the comments?
Edit: 16:32 yep, you got it, there you go
The scariest thing is the implication of Jimmy r'ing Anya. We get no real indication of them being in a relationship afaik, and Anya is clearly distressed to the point of hiding the gun just to protect herself from Jimmy. That doesn't sound like a relationship where the pregnancy came from willing...
I find people's way of displaying the lack of humanity in humanity itself to be chilling. In a game like this where the danger could be in space itself, or a cosmic being, or even technology failing, a human being's selfishness is what leads to the demise of this crew. The one thing they could turn to for help or comfort was each other, and that is exactly what ended up being their enemy.
Humanity is terrifying.
@@VirtualResidencedame right we are 😎
This is exactly why I love the movie The Shining over King's own interpretation of the story. The movie seems to make it more ambiguous if there is even anything actually supernatural, or if it was all human isolation and insanity. King didn't like the movie for this reason, he had written the shining about something supernatural. But to me, humanity can be far scarier than anything humanity tries to invent to be scary. I also thing that is a big inspiration for the game, Anya looking so much like Shelley Duvall seems to me like a clear nod to that
@@DocterCoconut I definitely like the book, but I also love the movie more. If Anya is a nod to Shelley Duvall, that's awesome; she was a great actress. Another great example of whether the threat could be human or supernatural (or both) is The Lighthouse by Robert Eggers. When ambiguity is done well, it can really work to make a story more disturbing.
For me, what makes it so scary to see that the threat is human is that it gets rid of the separation between the audience and the danger. You can't hide behind the 'this isn't real, so it will never happen' excuse.
I'm thinking about the name of the game, mouthwashing. Might be far-fetched, but it's making me think of the phrase "washing one's hands of something" as refusing to partake in certain actions or take responsibility for one's actions. Jimmy is the one doing mouthwashing here, he's washing his mouth of the space ship crash and possibly even the suffering he's caused Anya, he's refusing to own up and tell others about his deeds.
And on the topic of Anya, her being pregnant during the mouthwash discovery explains why she isn't enthused about drinking it. Mouthwash contains alcohol, famously bad for babies.
I love the concept of washing one’s hands of responsibility being the meaning of the mouthwash. That makes actually a ton of sense!
Agree with the mouthwashing name, all the actions he took were rooted in trying to "wash away" his problems
I think Anya was more scared of being alone with a bunch of drunk men, one of whom who has already r-worded her at least once. If there was a way she couldve aborted the baby, she probably wouldve and never told curly about what happened, especially considering he was best friends with her r**pist, her boss, and well regarded by everyone.
@@vl5164 Yeah it could be also fear of seeing them all drunk, but even then, she thought of drinking the mouthwash at least once. Knowing exactly what alcohol does in pregnancy, and who's the father, I can't blame her for considering the idea.
Great analysis! This game has stuck with me since I watched a playthrough of it a few days ago. I never expected to get so attached to the characters, especially Anya. This game has some of the best writing I've seen in any media in a long time.
As a woman, the twist of this game hit me really hard. At the very beginning of the game, I remember feeling sad for Anya because she was the only female on board. If I was in her shoes I would have felt very uncomfortable, especially for such a long voyage. It's not that all men are evil and will hurt you: it's that there's always the possibility they could. It's much more likely that someone will get assaulted by someone they know rather than a stranger. Someone you once liked and trusted could turn on you at a moments notice and destroy your life. It's just something we are forced to live with every day, but we put it in the back of our minds so we can continue on as normal. I dismissed my initial feeling of sadness for Anya as me being overly harsh and I didn't expect the game to go that direction. But it did. And by the end I felt sick to my stomach.
Being harassed at work and having to toughen up and deal with it is something that happens to people every day. It's not always women, but a lot of the time it is. Not only was this happening to Anya, but she was forced to live constantly around her harasser for months and months. She was forced to be in rooms alone with him as he made gross jokes. She had 4 other people she could talk to at all and one of them was hurting her. Even in her own bed she wasn't safe from him, as the company failed care enough to put locks on the doors. There was nowhere she could go to get away from him. That's a fucking nightmare.
Even after she told Curly about the assault and pregnancy it seemed like he was more willing to give his friend the benefit of the doubt than get him in trouble. After all, it would reflect poorly on him since he probably got Jimmy that job, and that he let his bad behavior continue for so long on his ship to the point someone got raped. I'm sure he was trying to look on the bright side and thought he could somehow fix everything. But Jimmy and Curly are so blinded by the prospect of "taking responsibility" that they don't stop to think about how Anya feels. She will never be the same again, even if everyone is held accountable. Her mental scars are just as permanent as Curly's burns.
For a game set on a spaceship and full of cosmic horror, way too much of it was very familiar. I don't know if I've seen this topic handled with so much nuance and care in a game before, but it's amazing. Huge props to the devs.
This is probably one of the most upsetting horror games I’ve ever seen. In the end, Jimmy took the easy way out like a total coward he was. The crew would’ve been safe if they replaced Jimmy with a bear. Horror games where the scares come from humans being humans, or lack thereof are the best.
Holy I just realized that both the cake scene with post-crash Curly and Curly on fire scene are definitely just jimmy’s delusions, believing Curly is somehow still being a sympathetic friend and ready to sacrifice/ take the blame (take responsibility) for all his actions. (“If anyone ever finds us, I’ll still be playing the villain”)
Like not once, after the crash, have we ever seen actual Curly’s inner thoughts or dialogues (ofc he cant talk) and most of “his” dialogues with Jimmy are just from Jimmy’s imaginations
That’s a whole other though provoking idea.
Although I hate how some seems to miss that Anya was assaulted, I do really appreciate how the devs made a game about assault where the situation isn't exploited for horror or shock in a explicit scene. Anya as a character gets treated with respect from the Devs in a way she doesn't from Curly or Jimmy, by being taken seriously and her pain is discussed and shown but never leered over. I also can't helpt but notice how her design reminds me so much of the female lead from the Shining, where the actrese famoulsy got bullied by Kubrick on set. Anya at least gets the grace of her pain and story being shown and told, but the graphic torment is that of Curly, her boss and maybe friend who did nothing to protect her.
man i was caught off guard by the way my heartbeat quickened with rage when you showed jimmys face the first time. i dont think ive hated a fictional man this much since Griffith. like damn i love this game so goddamn much and it shot up to the top of my list of "never trust a man who relates to the main character" masterpieces
sadly i saw a person in the comments here say they were just like jimmy and their post included (about the SA) "truly something only a woman would have noticed" or something along those lines. huge blech
honestly your observation about anya was my immediate assumption after she revealed she was pregnant and immediately afterwards talked about how she wanted to protect herself and make sure “he” never got the gun, so i’m glad to know i’m not the only one who came to that conclusion. it also makes jimmy’s reaction make a bit more sense in a way? like it wasn’t “i lost the one job i was good at and now i’m gonna be a father”, but “i lost the one job i was good at and my horrible crime is going to have consequences”
Mouthwashing: You can (not) take responsibility 2.0
This story is very tragic and messed up. Jimmy is an absolute monster, and it's really scary because people like him do exist. What he did to Anya was disgusting. He used his friendship with Curly to downplay what had happened just to save his own skin, then once the jig was up decided to crash the ship and blamed it all on Curly. Also, during the part where they're trying to get into the medical room, notice that he coerces Daisuke into going into the vent first which led to him getting mortally wounded. Everything bad that happens is because of Jimmy.
im likely pointing out something very obvious here, but it was something i found interesting. when you start the game and you're (unknowingly) playing as jimmy crashing the ship, there are baby crying sounds in the background when you run out of the cockpit. it's foreshadowing, but i also see it as a depiction of his mental state and exactly what was going through his mind when he did what he did. great video btw!
Yea this game has loads of creative foreshadowing! Thank you for the compliment! Glad you enjoyed it.
good video
for me the true horror of the game was figuring out what jimmy did half way through the game and realizing that i was playing as the monster all along.
You play as both the monster and the failed vigilante, as Curly was a good guy but woefully ignorant...
I will say that after a second look, the constant nausea that Anya carries throughout the game is a very common sign of pregnancy. And with the way she tries to run away from jimmy when it happens after she cares for Curly- it just hurts so much to watch
Absolutely..
I’ve noticed in the comments a certain misconception about abuse/trauma situations that has popped up a couple times in the comment section and figured I would give my two cents as a survivor myself. (No offense to anyone who has mentioned this, I would consider it rather fortunate if you cannot relate to Anya the way I can.)
Many people have questioned why Anya would be somewhat “cooperative” and “nice” with Jimmy during the game and have suggested that this is evidence that they had to be in some kind of romantic relationship or that it would make more sense overall if that were the case. But the true nuance at play there is far more simple yet still incredibly horrifying. Anya was not in a situation where it was safe to confront her attacker, and frankly, she was in the difficult situation where her coworkers did sympathize with her plight to some extent, but either didn’t understand the full severity of Jimmy’s behavior, or at worst were unwilling to hold him fully accountable due to the difficult survival situation they were all in.
And worse still, it’s clear from how Curly handled the pony comment situation that this lack of accountability for Jimmy making unwanted advances towards Anya was something of a pattern, yet not taken nearly as seriously as it should have been. This told Anya that she had no choice but to play “nice” with the man that hurt her so irrevocably for the sake of her own survival. That’s not residual romantic feelings or the sign of a former relationship, it’s a critique on how corporate culture has and continues to silence victims of workplace sexual harassment and abuse, and how even well intentioned people like Curly can unwittingly enable or defend an abuser simply because they feel they know them, not realizing that the most dangerous attackers are the ones that know how to behave in front of others, and will present themselves very differently to their friends and acquaintances, regardless of how depraved they might be behind closed doors.
It may have been a mistake on the dev's part, but there is a strange timeline inconsistency in Jimmy's internal narrative. Jimmy says Anya locks herself in medbay 4 months after the crash while later, when he's pushing Daisuke to go into the vent, the narration says it's 2 or 3 months. I'm thinking this inconsistency is intentional. And what Jimmy describes as months might actually be days or weeks at most.
I’ll have to go back and look, but interesting.. we do have a case of potential unreliable narrator since we play as jimmy most of the game.
It's very weird to say that about someone like Jimmy, but I think he's a compelling villain. And I mean a true, real life villain, not a Disney one. And he wouldn't be nearly as compelling if we didn't play half the game from his perspective. He's such a scumbag, such a pathetic excuse of a human being, such a worm. His selfishness is so real but it's so complex you can't help but wonder how could anyone be so delusional to rationalize their actions the the way he did. You understand that Jimmy's a human, an actual person, not a mustache-twirling evildoer. But that's also what makes him so disgusting, because you know that people like him exist.
It’s unfortunate but yea people like jimmy walking around all of us in the world.
I agree, real life villains make your heart twist in this way
When she says she had told him at 10:32 after he asks "who would you" sounds like a relationship with Jimmy was not known. So, maybe she had told him about the assault like many people believe it happened, but came to realize she was pregnant just later on. And at the end Jimmy tells Curly they were confined or something like this, blaming that to excuse getting her pregnant or having assaulted her?
i genuinely thought that the cryopod was meant for Anya but for it to be meant for Daisuke is also a nice touch. It did show that, despite his disgruntlement, Swansea did care for him a lot. Maybe he saw in Daisuke a little bit of himself? Maybe a part of him that could have been or was once before that moment? It's interesting seeing Mouthwashing that, even the title itself, has some other meaning in it.
Mouthwash is used to cleanse yourself off bad bacteria infecting your gums, teeth and tongue. Teeth could be stand in for: power, weapon, advantage and/or predator/y. Teeth get dirty when you eat or drink something that, over time, could ruin it. Therefore, mouthwash is used to protect and get rid of those factors that might ruin your teeth. Leaving a pleasant, light and clean feeling left behind.
Completely getting rid of all that nasty feeling of filth. The problem in this is that Jimmy is incapable of cleansing himself because there is nothing to cleanse when he's rotten all the way down to the root. Making it impossible to achieve that pleasant clan feeling.
Yes and Anya curiously mentions how mouthwash has enough sugar to offset any cleaning properties.. 🧐 wonder what connection that may be pointing to!
17:23 omg I didn't even notice that she told Swansea... Wow
I believe "Daisuke" would be pronounced "Die-skaye," like pretty much without the U.
lol forgive me I had a feeling my pronunciation was incorrect but I had already recorded the entire thing 😂.. so I was like ehh
@@VirtualResidence its all good man. the video was good too.
@@VirtualResidenceeither that or Dai-su-kay, which is how it would likely be pronounced in Japanese? But idk if Daisuke is a Japanese name in origin or not
@@SpecialInterestShowyeah it’s a male name from Japan, probably dai-s-ke without the u, like how desu is mostly pronounced des
Da i s ke
Have no idea what you got kaye from
Wow, I'd never heard of this game before, but I'm planning to buy it now. I love the look of it, and kudos to the developers for crafting such a dark narrative in a way that (at least based on your video) comes across as realistic and sensitive to the material. It also seems like there's a level of subtlety that most games lack in their storylines. Can't wait to play it.
Great job with the video.
Thank you for the well through out comment! Yes it was so good!
It gives what Silent Hill hasn't been able to give in years, yet is still very much its own defined thing with its own strong identity rather than being a 'silent hill-like'.
Full disclosure I am loving SH2 remake but I also agree that they haven’t been great in years. Luckily SH2 has a great story and just updating gameplay and graphics, doesn’t change that epic tale!
16:22 What I think is interesting is as a woman, I immediately had alarms ringing at that line. I was like “…Oh my god”
I connected what happened with Anya but I didn’t think of the cocktail detail. That only someone like Jimmy would think to do that
It gave me literal chills when I read that again and he says “he won’t remember what happened to him.” Utterly terrifying…
Thanks so much for making this video.. Just reading the comments and all that makes me realize that people like jimmy just *exist*. I decided to go read the reviews and it's honestly shocking that no-one else really read this deep, and glimpsed the sheer depravity of Jimmy. I'm not usually one to look super deep into stories, because I'm stupid, and I can say for certain that I just never would have figured this out myself. I'm left sitting in my room at 1 in the morning, speechless. I don't even want to move on from just thinking about this game right now, like I shouldn't or something.
you were recommended in my feed. great video. keep it up.
Thank you! ☺️
The moment I watched a playthrough and something clicked I felt so uncomfortable the whole time, knowing that Jimmy has been a horrible person and I think crashed the ship out of fear of responsibility for his actions. He comes back and has to deal with a kid, the backlash of 🍇ing Anya, and no job. He would much rather live in delusion and kill everyone than to be held responsible and that’s terrifying.
“Take responsibility” can be seen as Jimmy being delusional and imagining Curly chastising him, it could be Curly feeling guilty for himself, or it could play into Jimmy’s delusion on how he thinks he’s being responsible as a captain. Whatever it is, the motif of “taking responsibility” could be applied to what Jimmy did to Anya.
I think the most horryfying thing i witnissed was jimmy feeding curly to himself and the puzzle, god the puzzle. To extend the moment and make you do it again and again is always something that will terrify me on a personal level. And you have to think about it, you cant button mash your way out of the puzzle to brute force it. It might be a cute and venerated trait but I hate being an extremely empathetic person, i feel people's pain, i cant watch people in pain in horror, it pains me physically. I'm empathetic to the point i am empathetic to the worst people, the deepest depraved criminals to pedophiles who don't seek help. It was hard not to be empathetic to the bastard that is jimmy and to disconnect myself. Its my strong suit but a double edged sword without a handle. Im a late diagnosed autistic person, which might recontextualize the thought process, i have to look back to written morals and be like "hmmm yes, bad people are bad".
This 19 minute video felt like a 1 hour essay, this game's story if horrifying just from the fact that there's only one monster and it is human.
Can tell if that’s a good or a bad thing on my part lol 😆
@@VirtualResidence Absolutely good thing, i love this video.
Just realized the thumbnail has one of the coolest effects I have never seen before on a thumbnail! Kudos to that 🤙
Thank you, I actually will be using this style of thumbnail on future content as I really like its simplistic and creepy nature!
In the politest way possible... I think your estimation that 99.9% of people would have missed Anya's truth is a little naive. I think most women who play this game would pick up on the context clues during playthrough without having to reflect after the fact, as it's a living reality for many of us. Things like the mention of the locks on doors, the gun to protect herself, and her anxiety and upset over the baby are all screaming red flags.
The percentage was a reference to mouthwash killing germs.
@@VirtualResidence Ah, clearly the reference flew over my head. Just seemed a bit of an odd connection to the topic at hand. I assumed it was playing more into the standard youtube "99% of you won't know this fact!" kidna titles.
Might not of been the best framing device in reference to SA, but that's just me.
Jimmy is truly one of the most evil character i ever saw because until his last despicable breathing moment he through he wasn't evil, he was just misguided and stressed but the truth he tried to hide to himself is that he's simply an evil monster who couldn't accept his nature. Even through what he most likely did to Anya is evil i think him putting Curly into the cryogenic capsule is even worse because he actually died thinking he was the hero
I know usually with games like this I'm usually content to watch my favs playthrough it, but for once I actually will purchase it for myself because it's just such a gem of a game
Yes 🙌 keep supporting devs who make great stories!
The game still lived rent free two days after the credits.
That's a level of horror that's completely unmatched by anything else I've ever watched or played in the past. Good horror scares you in the moment, great horror subverts your expectation and leaves you thinking about it long after the credits roll.
i know this is reaching but the fact jimmy name and subtitle is colored green is to make sure he is "Green" or the Good guy
and Curley being white is like a blank canvas, for us to intrepet him as anything we think he is
@11:30 You said Swansea knows Jimmy is gonna be a father, so he could care less about Jimbo using the pod. But Anya is dead by the time he says that.... Never really heard about stone dead mothers giving birth @ that stage of pregnancy (she still looks fairly small, gotta be under 5 or 6 months, but who knows with it being a game n all).
Good video still. Just wanted to point that out.
Pretty sure Swansea offers up the pod to illustrate he never had intentions of using it...
I may have not stated that as clearly as I should. I know Swansea is more to the tune of "I Don't give a S*** if you use the pod and lie about what happened here" and not because of him being a father, but rather because Swansea gave up since he just had to kill Daisuke. But thanks for the constructive criticism Ill try to imoprove the way I state little pieces in the future!
I had no clue that the people who made this also made How Fish Is Made, which is also great and I cant believe I didnt notice it sooner. Easily this game went in my top 3 best horror games. Probably next to Soma and Outlast
I’m not big into outlast (maybe I need to give it another chance).. but Soma is definitely up there for me as one of the greats extremely cerebral psychological horror games… I personally think Frictional’s best game.
I just played it last week and you’re right, after finishing the game I was like there’s something I’m missing. Thank you for the deep dive it was great
Absolutely hope you stick around for future videos on horror games!
I'm happy the game is getting the love it deserves!
Same I cannot wait to see what the Devs bring out in the future, I also really think with the overall decline of AAA games market that these retro style games are going to feel really fresh to those who are burnt out on endless GAAS and open world bland experiences. I hope that make a large profit and make like a 8 hour game with a similar vibe and another great story!
@@VirtualResidence yeah! They deserve all the love they get. So many stories use r'pe and SA in cheap and exploitative ways... So a story that handles it as well as this is always great to see
@@VirtualResidence yeah and everyone is also tired of the AAA market due to many factors: the well-known widespread mistreatment of workers; the threat of AI taking over the jobs; massive layoffs every time you turn around; and then there's the fact that you need such a beefy expensive computer to play _most_ modern AAA; and then the sheer price itself.
Like, you want me to pay $70 for a game when you mistreated your employees on crunch time the entire time and you also require me to have some $3,000 worth of computer specs to even play it in decent quality? No thanks. I've had just as much if not more fun on itchio
Hot/possibly-lukewarm take: Death Stranding for example sucked as a game and if you name any popular itchio game it's probably leagues better, cheaper, takes less beefy a computer, and has a cooler story than DS
(as good as the Death Stranding graphics are, the game is a glorified walking simulator with bits of a movie mixed in.)
Also, yakuza like a dragon can't play on my PC, but a 400-mod Minecraft modpack can. Minecraft, a game that I haven't spent a cent on in 14 years. Still alive and getting a ton of enjoyment because of the cool people coding free mods
Let's see, lemme rec you some indie horror games I've really enjoyed:
- No Delivery by Oates on itchio: you play as a worker (your job is randomized each run) doing various things around a restaraunt/arcade. But there's creepy shit going on the deeper you delve in. Puzzles to solve, mysteries to solve, all in a backdrop of horror happening both around and in front of you. Some slapstick, some genuinely creepy and mysterious. Also, its use of the rpgmaker fight system was so cool, utilizing it in ways I didn't even know you could get rpgmaker to do in the first place! I can't recommend this enough, it's got tons of content to explore.
- We Know The Devil on steam: it's a very cool horror vn (with choices) that I'm not even sure how to describe. Better for you to experience yourself. It's somewhat short, but it's just as long as it needs to be. I have only played this title by the devs, but their other stuff looks very good as well.
- Children of the Devil by Stanwixbuster on itchio: oh. Oh my god. Where do I even begin? The art style, the aesthetic, the story, the characters, God, it's all so weird but so amazing. It really deserves more love. I don't even know how to describe its aesthetic but it's one I've never seen before and haven't seen since. If you check it out I'd love to hear if you liked it or if you make a vid!
been waiting for a good mouthwashing analysis video, and you really gave the game justice. thank you for shedding light on anya's story, as it's something i feel is very overshadowed in conversations about the game. awesome video, keep it up :)
I appreciate the kind words ☺️
You know, the funny thing is when I first watched Mouthwashing, I was expecting like some kind of eldritch horror, or some horrible shit being caused by the Mouthwash, or maybe they had been transporting a monster that got loose.
Oh, there was a monster alright. Just a little more "human" than I expected.
I love some cosmic horror, but yep humans are the most scary creatures.
I'm loving the indie games going for the ps1/2 aesthetics instead of pixilated games we had for so long
I still love me some classic RPG Maker games but yea I think in general a lot of people will start appreciating games with great narratives that come from passionate people vs.. corporate committee crap that we see consistently in the AAA market.
When you mentioned Anya being the only woman onboard my first thought was "oh no she's going to get r'd isnt she?" i forgot about it over the course of you explaining the bigger story- only to have it hit my like a truck when you brought up something else happened to her...
"I don't think our worst moments define us" being said by the biggest victim should be taken to heart in the current year.
... god damn. What an incredible work of art. Thank you for sharing this with the world.
It’s worthy of the praise it will hopefully continue to receive!
To me, "I have to believe that our worst moments don't make us monsters, Jim." Is not even about curly crashing the ship, and is instead about why Jimmy did... What he did. Her way of almost rationalizing that theyll be on that ship for another 8 months together, and I think her decision to "take care of it" came from that belief falling apart, unable to see Jimmy as anything else but the monster he was
great video, i haven't stopped thinking about this game since i finished it.
its definitely one that sticks with you.. for sure!
I love how this horror is psychological and hes just got space madness and hes losing his sanity to his own denial of mangling his friend and damning them all to horrible deaths over losing their jobs. Its so good i cant even articulate everything i like about it
It does bring on a complicated set of ideas and emotions.
This was great video about a fantastic game but I feel like perspective changes what are the "surprise elements". As a woman, being introduced to the crew and realizing Anya was the only woman in the ship already brought me discomfort, it was not where I thought the game would go but -as she says on her conversation with curly about the dead pixel- it was already on the back of my mind the entire time, so the confirmation that it did happen was not a shock but a sad punch to the gut. Also, i agree with your take that she spend the entire game asking for help and it going unnotice but I also take her comment as her knowing all along she could be in danger due to being the only woman on the ship. She has to have that information on the back of her mind to stay alert while continuing her duties, then after it happens, the event just keeps repeating on and on on her mind, and now more than ever she knows the danger she once just thought of as a possibility became reality and she will have to re-live it everyday, 1 because she's stuck in the ship for many more months, 2 because it could happen again, 3 because there is a physical reminder of what happend inside of her. So I take it as her trying to push the memories to the back of her mind so she can carry on for the rest of the cruise.
the worst part about this is bc theyre in space, theres literally nothing that can be done about jimmy. i believe thats what the conversation with swansea was, when anya said "yes im understand completely", i think it was in response to something along the lines of "that guy is a piece of shit but we're not really in a position to do anything about him, im so sorry". even if the crash never happened, theyre in the middle of space with the better part of a year left to go, not even sure if that includes the return trip. even if she told everyone, what can they do? the only options are murder or just. living with it. at best they could shun him and that probably would have ended with him going postal on them in a different way. doubt the company would do anything if she told them, might even reprimand her for "putting herself in that position" or something else sinister and awful
This game didnt make as much sense to me at all until i watched this review. Thank you for such a clear and concise breakdown, I cant wait to see future stuff from you man
Thank you, if you have any game recommendations be sure to send them my way!
"I have been baptised twice, once in water, once in mouthwash."
seems like a realistic situation between anya and jimmy which makes it even sadder
Excellent breakdown. Especially the end. I hope more games are made like this.
Fuck time to have a new obsession
I have ADHD.. I always have new obsessions 🤣. Hope you enjoyed!
@@VirtualResidence no for real thank you so much for giving a good analysis and putting this game on my radar!
@@a_literalrat1096for sure my friend!
9:48 is quite beautifully put as gut wrenching as it is.
I choose to believe that Curly didn't realize what was done to Anya until it was too late. I know it seems more horrible at first to have a man who is complacent with his friend r'ping a woman but it just doesn't fit Curly in my mind. He cares a lot about her, most of his flashbacks feature her, and while we could say that is because of narrative necessity, I think it very much was to show that he cared very deeply for her. I got the sense that she was the one he was truly closest to on the ship. He might have said Jimmy was before the crash but I really do think it was Anya and even he came to that conclusion in the end. She also spent the most time with him and as someone with medical background, if Curly had survived four months with the horrible injuries he had then Anya must have been doing everything in her power to keep him alive. I know it is said that she didn't finish nursing school (or at least implied), but we never find out why. Given even with the job she has, she doesn't have any savings or financial means. She could have been a brilliant budding nurse who was unable to finish due to money rather than skill. I have reason to believe she was with Curly surviving through everything.
Really though, and I say this as someone who has been SA'd, it is so much more horrifying in my mind to unknowingly enable an abuser only to find out after you have no power to do anything to fix it. Curly sees the best in people, sure, but I have no doubt in my mind that Jimmy abused that and manipulated the situation. That doesn't absolve Curly for not seeing it sooner, but I find it infinitely more tragic to have unknowingly allowed someone the ability to cause immense harm to a person you care for only to watch helplessly as that person is destroyed due to your actions.
I think is quite interesting that the only moment we see Curly's face is when he tries to talk about the pregnancy with Jimmy, before the crash. I was imagining Curly all the game like an older guy, typical captain stereotype, considering he's doing the same job for years now. But instead he's actually young and quite handsome. Or at least, he's better looking than Jimmy lol.
I think is quite obvious that Jimmy is actually jealous of Curly, not only for all his achievements and/or his looks, but probably because he's actually a good guy, respected and cherised by the crew. Meanwhile Jimmy can't help but to be an asshole to everyone, and knows he's there exclusively thanks to Curly. So of course he tried to escape from his crap, and later got drunk with the title of captain when Curly was out of the way.
I bet that attacking Anya wasn't even justified by some twisted "unrequited love" for her (he can't even bother to have allucinations of her out of guilt, just the abortion because is a problem for him) only frustration and desire to have control over something, anything, like the weakest member of the crew, the only one who couldn't fight back.
This game has haunted my sleep for 2 days now, its the best psychological horror game to me, almost no jumpscares but the anticipation of one gets you everytime.
Also the scene near the end with the weird baby monster was gutwrenching to me because as a woman watching a man's playthrough i instantly knew what it was and was horrified and it actually took him a while in comparison. Also, the monster you then run from is so different, the game breaks its own established rules. The creature is fast for one, all other monsters are kind of slow, this one isnt and its also really loud compared to any others. Especially after following the eye's in the corridor scene as well, when the monster is on the wall you dont expect it to move, it got me so hard when it scuttled away. In fact, that scene may be one of two in the game with actual jumpscares.
Love the video, keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!🥰
Thank you for making a video on this masterpiece.
Your welcome! glad you enjoyed it, if you have any other horror game suggestions, I am really enjoying the Indie/ old school style right now!
Swansea's face seems perfectly designed to get you to associate him with bitter, ignorant old people with delusions of superiority, and his presentation is frontloaded to put him in situations that pose him as that archetype. It predisposes you to have disdain for him as jimmy seems to
Also, Swansea is said to know the ship and the equipment the best. So why did he kill Daisuke instead of putting him in the cryopod if there was any chance it would save him? My guess is that it either won't save him or just keep him in prolonged pain, since Swansea didn't even consider the option (and despite being the drunk, he makes a lot of really apt observations and choices).
You know I watched 2 other small essays about this game and have some things pounted out that I missed but the thing about Jimmy and Anya just gave me another reason for me to actually celebrate Jymmi's (purting themselves in the forever box) at the end. Now all I hope is that in the end Curly does get rescues and civilazatuin is THAT evanced to actually restore him, at a working funktion at least
We can only wish that curly will be freed one day!
kind of unrelated to the themes of the game but wanted to share, me and some random person who happened to be named jimmy in the chat of a stream of this game hated jimmy so much they asked to be voted as new jimmy and i was appointed vice jimmy. the internet is delightful. jimmy SUCKS
6:48 I think what pisses me off the most about this interaction in hindsight is how it becomes clear that, after you figure out Curly’s not the one that crashed, Jimmy STILL truly believes Curly is the one at fault for his own destroyed state. To me this shows that Jimmy is entirely *incapable* of understanding that other people are not as selfish as he is. So, to him, Curly voluntarily going into the cockpit was just Curly trying to be a hero to be a martyr and not, you know, SACRIFICING HIMSELF TRYING TO SAVE JIMMY’S DUMB ASS.
What also pisses me off, however, is what that says about Curly. Then you compare that mindset to Curly’s, “Our worst moments don’t make us monsters,” and then you realize, just as Jimmy is incapable of understanding true selflessness, Curly’s mindset makes him completely blind to absolute evil and selfishness. He was always going to end up betrayed by Jimmy somehow, and he was always going to defend Jimmy, even if he did fully know Jimmy SAed Anya. He would do it because he maybe even *still* thinks Jimmy is completely redeemable and *must* be secretly a decent person. Which, actually, makes him a horrible authority figure. He failed to protect Anya, and he kept making excuse after excuse for Jimmy, giving him power over everything and everyone.
Normally I don’t see the point of railroaded videogame novels where the player doesn’t get to make choices of their own, but this is an outstanding example. The writing is absolutely amazing, and the fact that the twist is that Curly and Jimmy are actually complete foils of one another is so well done. Even down to the fact Curly pre-crash even kinda looks like Jimmy but with blue eyes and blond hair. Both of them have been life-long friends, but everything that happens was because both of them are entirely fucking blind to eachother’s true selves. It would be so easy to put Curly on a pedestal and say that, if Jimmy is bad, Curly’s mindset should be striven towards, but I think there needs to be a balance between the two.
love how you pronounced die sook
At least someone does lol.. this videos comments is 99.9% pointing out how i butchered it 🤣
From one small creator to another, I loved the video and found it super insightful and wonderfully made. Can't wait to see where you go from here! You deserve plenty of more subscribers but for now, consider me one of them.
Thank you and also equally good luck to you my fellow creator!
Im sorry this is amazing but I can’t get over the fact you pronounced Daisuke like Diesook
You and a lot of other people lol power through I believe in you..
I think there is further nuance beyond what you've highlighted here. I actually think there is some evidence Anya and Jimmy had some degree of consentual relations prior to any abuse.
I believe Jimmy is a psychopath in the literal sense. He can be very charming and persuasive when he needs to be, but is also prone to fits of rage when things dont go his way. I took the view he managed to initially charm Anya and they had a secret thing going on. But after that his volent outbursts, controlling nature and the psych evaluations started to show Jimmy had some serious issues. I think Anya getting Curly to do the psych eval was actually her way of trying to draw Curlys attention to the fact something isnt quite right with him. Curly had concerns too. Curlys only "dream" sequence is a load of warning signs and alarms immediately before Jimmys eval.
I also think this idea fits better with why Jimmy crashed the ship. He loses his job, his mentor, his girlfriend and probably any say in his childs life. He has had all control ripped away from him and he tries to wrestle it back by killing them all. I dont think he cares Anya is pregnant. I also think this also explains why Anya remains "nice" to him post crash. She knows hes a psycho and so to keep him calm she flatters his ego and lets him take control. Once things start to slip and she realises there is no resuce coming she makes her own decision to "leave".
Edited to clear some typos. And to say nice video, good work 👏
That could very well be, however we may never know until the dev reveals the vision of it!
Thank you glad you enjoyed the video!
While it is a very well-crafted and told game, for the £11 price point, I felt there just wasn't enough of a game in there for what you're paying for. It's not very often I feel like a game could be adapted to make for a fantastic novel but Mouthwashing would make for a really interesting one, where aspects of the narrative can be elaborated on and danced around to greater effect.
I do get what you mean, but try a different perspective!.. you go to a movie in the theater and pay probably $15 dollars depending on location and time.. most of Hollywood shlock doesn't scratch the depth of this games narrative, and you only get to see it once for that $15. Mouthwashing is a quick play that honestly much like classic horror games you could always go back in a few years and replay it! I would love their to be more lore into the games world and how it became a dystopia, and what earth is like!
@VirtualResidence True. I guess it's expection though, I know what I'm getting going to the cinema. I was completely unaware that I'd get through this in less time than I've spent sat in a cinema for some films. That said, if I'd have known it was only 2 hours long, I honestly wouldn't have bought it and probably watched someone playthrough it instead, which is a shame because the devs deserve something for their hard work. My game backlog is too big to replay games 😂
Last comment: at the judgement, wasn't there a moment where Jimmy apologies to Curly, and someone, maybe the game goes "...only to him?" Or something like that. I am not sure and I'm not gonna replay to check, but I remember it because I kept having the "BUT WHAT ABOUT ANYA - or Daisuke, or Swansea, or his children and wife, you absolute d*ckwaffel of a man"...
One of the most painful things in this game, after the fact, is how absolutely devoid of self reflection Jimmy is. Which is so wonderfully poignant considering how much this game is making me reflect about it.
Im sorry but "Dai-sooked" 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I love this video- seeing a playthrough recently has gotten me obsessed!
But heads up, as someone who learned Japanese, Daisuke is pronounced "die-soo-keh" not "die-sook" :)
Thanks for not being mean about it lol! I knew it probably wasn’t right but unfortunately how I read it the whole game was that way 😂
Daisuke
"Dyesook"
^das _crazy_
It’s weird and I don’t know if it’s just me misinterpreting things, but I found it pretty obvious that there was SA in the story. I’m wondering if that’s because I’m a woman who always has to keep myself safe from being alone with strange men or if it’s something else entirely that informed the guess? I know experience can affect media interpretations.
16:51 *looks around*
Awesome video
Thank you 😊
why do u say daisook lmao. great vid btw
lol I knew I probably wasn’t saying it right but that’s how I read it the entire game 😂
"die-zook" 😩
watched vinesauce play it , looked interesting , will probly buy it once the steam autum sale pops up in a month or so
That’s fair it’s short, but definitely support the devs or pick up their next game!
... bro really pronounced daisuke as die-sook...
You pronouce the name Dice-kay...or Dice-gay, however you remember it.
Self-deletion lmao.
Indeed.