Dune imperium Uprising in about 3 minutes
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- Dune imperium Uprising in about 3 minutes
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While it is kinda weird this isn't just a 2nd edition, im essentially going to treat it like one. Chances of me going back to the original are pretty slim.
It’s funny seeing the gymnastics that people go through to avoid using the word edition these days (D&D6e being another example).
Yeah, very odd.
It comes down to the theme primarily. First game was based on the first movie from a few years ago, this one is based on the second movie.
More sales if you don’t call it a second Ed
I was going to ask if this is just a 2nd edition. Question answered I guess.
I was also going to ask if you recommended this over expanding the 1st edition, but you answered that too when you said the expansions can be used here.
Honestly I think it’s not named a second addition or any of that because of the designer Paul Dennon, and publisher dire wolf digital. They did this similar thing with Clank! Make one successful game, make a few expansions, then do Clank! In space, make a few expansions. Do a legacy game, do another version in Catacombs. Though the Clank! Variations felt like they made a bit more sense, it’s definitely the same format as we are seeing here. Just wait for the dune imperium legacy game that will come in a year or two.
Spicier is definitely right. The decision space in Uprising is significantly richer with some huge combo potential with spies and increased card draw. Everything is just more cohesive and more involved. The simple change of making the Arrakis Liaison card Bene with card draw for friendship is so minor on paper but huge in practise. Likewise for making the new mentat space stronger but with Emperor friendship. Spies allow you to plan ahead and keep options open no matter what - another seemingly small change that somehow is hugely impactful. I don't feel as bad when someone jumps into a spot before me because if it was that important to me to go there, I should have planned ahead with a spy so it's my own damn fault.
The cards too. Oh my. Even the 1 cost cards are tasty with deckbuilding being much stronger in this version.
Yeah... could wax lyrical about this for a while!
I’m so happy that you have videos on almost every board game I’ve bought. Keep up the incredible work!
Many players complained that the sandworms are too swingy, since it's not impossible (or even uncommon) for one player to gain three or four points all at once using worms and end the game as early as turn seven.
This did indeed happen in my first game, but not in any subsequent plays, because now we all know to pay attention to how much water everyone has and prepare for a big fight once the third stage conflicts show up.
This smacks of "i didnt take into account a new variable and got spanked". Our first game, the person who went hard on sandworms won. But as you point out, in subsequent plays we learned our lessons. Far too much "I played this once and its broken" mentality out there, both in reviewers and the general public.
@@3MBG So you visited the BGG forum for Uprising, too, huh? ;-)
Hahaha, just the once.
To be fair, the ENTIRE GAME is extremely swingy due to the event cards than people can hoard. Anyone who has four cards in their hand in this game basically also has a permanent mischievous smirk on their face, and for good reasons.
@mbrochh82 A player holding four Intrigue cards had also better be holding the Secrets space, and if they're doing that, it's blatantly obvious to the table that they're planning a big turn, and based on what resources they're holding, it's not hard to figure out what that plan is and block them.
My friends have loved Dune Imperium, and Uprising looks like a great update!
Nice, watching this 3 minutes after it is posted.
I love the original. I haven't gotten around to expanding it, but it's been on the agenda. I probably don't feel like i need to improve the game, so even if the new one is better I'm still happy enough with what I have. However, I'm interested in the ability to play at 6 players - that might actually let me get it to the table sometimes.
Base game is very weak compared to base+expansions or this one.
TBF, and u agree with what you're saying, but when you realize it's a legit upgrade to greatness. If you already love it, you will not regret the move. Also, the digital version is excellent
I owned Imperium and sold it after I got Uprising and while I personally prefer Uprising I had to rebuy the first one again as it would hit the table more often.
Sometimes more complex and more intricate mechanics mean that the particular game is not as suitable for your player group any more. In my case Uprising was just too complex for 2 of the guys and so Iended up owning both. The fact that there are compatible helps a lot.
In some ways this feels similar to Dead Winter...
Fair.
Dune Imperium is one of my favorite games, and I've been loving Uprising too. Also, I played the new digital version of DI and that has gotten me back to playing the base game at the table without expansions, which has been fun to revisit and a nice way to introduce new players to the game. I'd like to try the Epic Mode from the Ix expansion more too. I'll probably still play DI a bit more than Uprising this year, but I'm guessing that balance will shift to mostly playing Uprising in the years to come.
Looking forward to getting my first play in tomorrow night!
I feel like a Chad for pointing it out, apologies, anyone reading the rules should catch it themselves but
:30 which looked like setup, 3 troops go in your garrison to start
1:36 you say at step 3 & 5 but isn’t it 2 & 4 you get the vp and faction token respectively? When your cube enters the space with the yellow vp symbol you gain it so that is only the second move up a track, and only two more moves to get the faction token.
2:14 somewhat got difficult to hear but the spy allows you to go to a occupied space as you said, but you can also recall a spy at a space you go to to draw a card, not sure if that was mentioned, apologies if so.
Regardless, nice review sir.
Yeah, 2 and 4. And for the spy thing, just ran out of time really.
I'm just not as big on direct conflict, so I'm sticking with LRofA (with both expansions). But I respect DI and would try the new version if it shows up at my local club.
I put off buying Imperium just because. Eventually got it and IX at the same time; this being after Immortality and the big box/upgrade pack came out. Then a week or so later Uprising was announced so yeah I got that too. I want to toss Imperium and just keep the cards but it’s a solid enough game to own too I guess.
Just ordered this since all the reviews seem to be glowing and I love worker placement and deck building. I’m not attached to the Dune IP though, which makes me worried I won’t enjoy this as Arnak.
Maybe, its definitely more bitey than Arnak though
Great review. This game is just objectively better than DI. Unfortunately, I bought a mat for DI that incorporates the expansions that just won't work with DI:U. So I don't see myself getting it anytime soon. I still enjoy DI but will most likely play DI:U when given the chance.
Uprising is the game I wanted Dune Imperium to be, but it's not a replacement, especially if your group has varying tastes. I like the tighter, more balanced, conflict-focused design of Uprising, but some friends in my game group prefer the more open-ended "sandbox" experience of the original with expansions.
I'm more than happy to play either, though. If you already own base Dune Imperium, Uprising isn't a necessity, but it's definitely worth it for someone else in your group to pick it up.
@@QBG that's basically what I've been telling people when they ask which one to get. I do know some people in my group have both but I just find that to be a little overkill.
I'm pretty happy with my copy of Tyrants of the Underdark, so won't be playing this anytime soon. I also lack an experienced group of players to play this with. Probably will be coming back to this in a couple of years down the line.
Tyrants is real good and a perfectly good alternative to Dune Imperium. In fact, i probably prefer Tyrants
Is there anything included in Imperium that has been removed for Uprising that someone might miss?
The locations are almost all slightly different and the intrigue cards are stronger in imperium.
As a matter of fact it's not a game for up to 6 players. It's either 1-4 or 6.
As a matter of fact you can play this with infinite combinations of players as people can play multiple roles or you could have an open discord filled with thousands playing one position. But being that pedantic is a very boring life choice.
Is there a Sting card? (Silly comment to just leave a comment)
YES they finally added worms to Dune Imperium! The first one was a good game, it just didn't really feel like DUNE
Exactly! How do you war on Arrakis without the worms?
@@3MBG I guess the first edition walked without rhythm?
You're serious, it didn't feel like Dune, really ? It did have worms BTW, in the form of certain cards like Wormriders
@@enzocrespin5806 only a little bit. the iconic life form of Arrakis was reduced to a random card that occasionally shows up
@@sinistersharkfish I prefer this, to the stance "every House leader can summon worms in battle and control them" from the second game, which is a massive heresy from a lore perspective, but to each their own :) Hope you enjoy playing, that's the only thing that matters !
I thought you got the Alliance point on the 4th step of the influence track of a faction...
Yep, you do, basic miscount on my part
The UNIVERSE!!! Sorry, I get overly excited when it comes to Dune.
How is it for solo? Is it worth buying for solo only?
The original is good for solo, so I imagine this one is as well
I can't remember which review I watched said this, but I recall them saying that, just like most other aspects of the game, the solo in this was also just that little bit better than the original.
If I didn't have the original and all the expansions, I'd get this instead, but I do, so I'll wait and see how things develop.
For now, it seems to me my money is better spent on other experiences given that I have the original (and really enjoy it).
Though, I'd love it if a friend picked up this version so I could give it a whirl...
Looks solid but i personally havent given it a go solo
Thanks, everybody! 🙂I haven't played the original, but have always been curious. I may have to check it out eventually, but not until I've went through more games on my Shelf of Opportunity. lol
I like that they didn't go down the Terraforming Mars expansion route which tried to just add to the base game expansion after expansion and never really fixed the fundamental problem of Terraforming Mars (that the play on the central map, which takes up a huge part of the play area, is not engaging and strategic uninteresting. We literally put our snacks there until we were in the last rounds where player start to lay down some tiles there).
Revising Dune Imperium and adding new core mechanics to the "base" game was a very good decision I hope other games will do as well in the future. Now Dune is in a much better position to add new expansions and keeping the old ones compatible is especially nice for the people who already have them.
I highly recommend you play terraforming mars with some other groups. Sounds like your group has settled into a lazy meta where everyone sits back and slowly builds big engines. If you played against a group that actively goes for the board, the game will likely end turns before your engine gets properly powered up. You're meta and your play style is just that.
Its like hearing about games that get into double digit generations, that always makes me scratch my head. Gen 6 for 5 players and Gen 7 (8 at the latest) for 3-4 is normal for us.
@@3MBG Yeah you could be right. But I really like my gaming group. So I generally try to find a game that fits them and not try to play a specific game and try to find the right gaming group for it. BUT there are engine builder games out there which give you more incentive to compete more actively for special locations like Brass Birmingham. In fact the bidding for special locations is a core mechanic in that game and in this game my gaming group plays much less lazy and everyone is checking what the others are doing. In terraforming mars you should keep up what engines the others are building if you want to win, but to check 20 cards in their play area isn't very compelling.
So the common focus should naturally been placed on the central play area.
What I am trying to say is that as a game Dev you cannot expect that the players will try to play ideal (to win the game as much as possible). The theme and the mechanics have to be engaging so that in the best case players will naturally develop the motivation to play as ideal as possible and develop more active and diverse play styles (and don't just focus on their own engine, for example).
What Terraforming Mars could have done in one of their expansions is adding another core mechanic that makes the tile placing less of an adjacency point collection puzzle but more interconnected with the player's game engines. What I already like is that sometimes the requirement for a card is having to have at least 3 cities or the card will reap more benefits if you have more cities. But this is just a one way dependency and does not take into account where the cities are placed. Would be cool if you try to get points for connecting cities to an electrical grid and if other players have land tiles there you can pay them a lease to place a grid on those tiles. Stuff like this is what would my friends be more interested in doing more on the central board.
I am not gonna lie, the last 3 rounds are getting interesting regarding the central board and everyone is starting to count their bonus points and is trying to optimize their last tile placements. But it feels like more of a point collection puzzle and less of a thematic involvement in tense real estate trading on a new planet.
I was all in on first edition with big box and all. There is just no way I’m loosing that $ investment on this reworking. Frankly I feel badly done by by the game publisher not considered the impact on those who were all in on the 1sr Ed. For this alone I give this game 1 star. One because it has Dune on the box.
That makes little sense to me. This version of the game hasn't made your other one unplayable. And all of the deluxe bits from the original work with this. And the expansions for the original work with this one too. While i personally prefer this edition, it is very clear that is a minority point of view. So yeah, not sure what you're actually missing and why this existing is a problem.
@@3MBG the publisher could have, say, like Feast for Odin extended the original by replacing the board and making an overlay as an example. To go for a complete new box game is a money grab. The worm and spies, etc mechanic could easily be incorporated into the first edition if they tried. In Arc Nova it’s a replacement board and new replacement cards with a new mechanic, not a new game.
@@stevegeorge7773and do you think that additional dlc with another board, new cards and sandworms would cost less than this game, also meaning people who don’t have DI have to buy the base game?
@@afdkj7863 yep. It was half for Arc Nova. A good 30-40% for FFO.
@@stevegeorge7773 Once you've replaced the board and cards, is there really much left of the original Dune game? I'd imagine those two things are a big chunk of production costs. The only thing this didn't change is the wooden pieces.