Why the RAZER cobra mouse DRAMA?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2023
- Just hanging out and talking about the recent Razer mouse release in the Razer Cobra, and the Razer Cobra Pro.
Why is there so much drama around this release?
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In my opinion. Razer should streamline the naming of their mice. "Pro" for lightweight and pure performance mice and "Ultimate" for feature packed mice. That would somehow ease the confusion.
I won't lie, as someone who literally mains only mice below 60g, the Cobra Pro was a breath of fresh air. Every mouse this year has been so similar to each other that I can't help but be bored by the market. A lot of love to Lamzu, Ninjutso, Darmoshark and Pulsar for what they've done. I love their stuff, but the market was really getting boring.
This is very true. That’s why I liked that new Corsair darkstar
It is a very stupid take because weight isn't subjective. It's just a clear downgrade. Being different doesn't mean it's already good, and I can name many examples of this but I think the point is already very clear
@@niar69downgrade can still be a good thing though? Many people like the lets say a delux m800 which still weights around the same as cobra pro. Weight is ofc subjective and person preference, but not all mices nowadays GOTTA be 60g and below, like man that would just get boring seeing new mices but with the same grams everytime. Sometimes downgrade can make a customer/consumer enjoy too.
@@TeaTehMan people like the M800 because it's very close to the viper mini shape, but in wireless form at a very affordable price point. No one would choose it over, let's say, VMSE
@@niar69 true true
Before watching your video about Razer Cobra, I was considering to buy Pulsar X2. I know the price difference are far apart, but, should I buy Razer Cobra wired and save some bucks or maxed out my budget and buy pulsar X2?
Techne I need a suggestion. I’ve been looking around for a speaker system to work with my monitor. Right now I run both a laptop and ps4 to the monitor depending on what I’m playing. Therefore I need one to hook into my monitor directly so I don’t need to keep unplugging or switching the wireless. The port is a 3.5mm audio port and I’d like it to be mainly good for story games as I’ll likely use a headset for fps type games. Thank you so much if you have any suggestions I just can’t seem to find anything.
It could've been so.. sooooo easy for razer. They already have the design of the mini, they have the tech of the v2 pro. All they had to do was to spend minimal resources and put the v2 pro internals (which are already insanely small) in a viper mini shell and boom, done. Call it v2 pro mini, everyone would've been happy. But no, they decided to go with a product so damn terrible that I cannot see any market for it. Casuals don't buy gaming mice for 100$+. They buy something awful like a g502 on sale and be happy with it for the next 6-7 years. I have no idea how the cobra pro made it any further than being an idea...
i would love the cobra pro wireless if it had the 2 extra buttons that the viper ultra v1 had and i would probalby buy it, i don't mind the weight
I like the direction Pulsar is going in with the "e-sports" classification. That's not ambiguous and presumably no marketing department would try to hijack the name for a feature rich and more general consumer oriented mouse.
All I want to know is if the Cobra has better Middle click switch or is it gonna have click issues (or break within months) like with my Viper Mini. 🤦♂
So the only difference between cobra and cobra pro is the wireless?
I actually feel like the cobra pro is a really good match for me. Im not the type of guy to sacrifice everything for a lighter mouse. Considering what I play, the cobra pro’s rgb and feel is exactly what I need, if only it was balanced instead of back heavy. Maybe a few years down the road it will become dirt cheap like the deathadder v2 pro cause nobody is gonna buy it, which is probably going to be my time to buy it.
It's my endgame
i just needed a mice with viper mini shape, weight and fking low LOD
i got my cobra pro a few days ago, it doesnt feel back heavy at all? granted this is 10 months in the future lol
Is the Dragonfly F1 Moba better than the Razer Cobra?
Remove the RGB, Side Grips, and BT and please no holes maybe make the switches replaceable and that would be a banger Viper MIni Wireless
I wish they simplified the naming schemes. Ultra/Ultimate should be feature packed with Bluetooth and RGB. Pro should be lightweight wireless. Just would make it so much easier from a consumer standpoint.
Actually it is clearly defined.. you just need to realign your interpretation
Pro = Tier 1 models ( be it esports (DAv3 Pro, Viper V2 Pro, with lightweight, minimal frills) or maximum features (Basilisk V3 Pro, Cobra Pro, with max RGB, wireless charging, wireless and bluetooth)
non-Pro = Tier 2
X = Tier 3
Now look at all of Razer's recent products with this in mind and its very clear.
@@entropicity I get what you mean by tiers. Expensive, mid-range, and cheap. But “pro” meaning lightweight, minimal frills or feature packed is confusing already. Why not use “Ultra” for feature packed and “pro” for lightweight, minimal? Few Professional FPS gamers are going to use feature packed mice…. They prefer no frills and lightweight.
@@Danny-th5xn if you just consider "pro" the top tier in eSports and full feature pack product ranges without linking pro to "pro gamers" it will be clear. Understand that it can be confusing and companies like Apple have done the same mixing up Pro and Ultra and even Max in the past.
I just got this one a day ago and start my time with it, I dont have any issues with the mouse being its own mouse, its not named the Viper mini, its the COBRA BUT I think they should at least take maybe a little bit of teh RGB and only put it on the logo maybe the bluetooth so they can reduce a little bit the weight, as a smaller mouse you can feel the weight a lot more than other mice. Its almost the same weight as the original g pro and this feels like a heavier mice and my far.
I'm actually surprised they never updated the Diamond back!
it seems like they were making this alongside the viper ultimate og one and it got delayed? no idea everyone just wanted a v2 pro in a smaller shape, I guess that's too much to ask
Is there any news on the wireless internals of viper into the viper mini?
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I really agree on this review
Keep it up 💪🏻💯
What I don't understand is why is just all the same but this one doesn't have buttons on both sides neither.
I feel like I would be one of the people that the Cobra is aimed at, not super light but has all the premium features. Razer should however have a structure for their all of their mice lines (Basilisk, Cobra, Viper, Deathadder etc)
- "Mini" which is trimmed down size/features cheaper
- "Pro" lightweight that is affordable mid range
- "Lux" Range that has all the bells and whistles with a bit more weight (premium)
It gives me the imIt gives me the impression that the deathadder v3 was the new Mamba but they didn't want to call it that and they used a name with more marketing like deathadder. On the other hand I like the cobra, it seems good to me that they give more options then the client will decide if you want to buy it or not
The main issue with the Cobra is that it's neither here nor there.
Not enough buttons to be a multi-button MOBA mouse, nor is it lightweight enough to be a dedicated shooter mouse.
What would have been amazing would be a Basilisk wireless that weighs 65g.
But I guess the Aerox 5 wireless already beat Razer to the game.
İts lighter than viper mini lmao for gods sake youre not tenz please dont complain to a cheap viper successor
@@z0rden_ yeah people act that any mouse above 60g is a brick, i got this mouse a few days ago and all you have to do is adjust and adapt and your back to your usual skill level
no one whos reviewed this mouse says its horrible to use their just disappointed by what they thought it was gonna be
I just got it yesterday, as I don't like the lenght of the V2 Pro. It's too heavy, it just feel weird.
I like the cobra pro. I was using deathadder v3 faker edition. Solid mouse. I missed the extra buttons and the rgb plus the new sensor. Its size is perfect.
its too heavy, i returned mine, i didn't think going from my series 1 pro (51 grams) to 78 grams would be noticeable but boy was i wrong!
viper cobra is like 58grams.
@@lmnts556 not the wireless
@@lmnts556 thats the wired version
@@lmnts556that’s the wired version.
I have the wired version and that one has been getting alot of hate as well. I personally don't get it, it's an improved Viper Mini in my eyes. I know coz i used to main the Viper Mini and this one is just better in every way. No LOD issues, slightly improved shape, slightly better cable, slightly better clicks, slightly lower weight etc.. Will be used as my main on my laptop. Thinking of getting the Cobra Pro for my PC but not convinced with those rubber grips, every damn mouse i've ever owned with rubber grips wore them out incredibly quickly and i always ended up having to remove them.
In the grand scheme of things, this is a good problem to have for Razer. So many new releases featuring different functions for their flagship mice. Wish Logitech had this problem.
The Signature Edition being $300 and never in stock turned out to be an awful idea. Like you said, everyone would've been happy if it was just a VV2 version of the mini. That version should've been the focus, not the SE abomination.
How is it an awful idea for Razer if it is still sought after by many and it sells out instantly every time?
I think the name change makes sense here because the shape of the "Viper Mini" isnt just a trimmed down Viper its got a different hump position, etc,etc. Just like how you mention the DAV3 having a different shape. They missed the mark on the naming of the Cobra Pro and it should have been the Cobra Ulimate or Choma wireless. The updated cobra wired fits into the market perfectly. I think people feel this takes the place of what should have been "Viper Mini V2 pro". I have a feeling that mouse is still coming. Razer said on reddit about a year ago that they had a new mouse line coming with a new shape, technically this isnt a new shape. A DAV3 Mini or VMV2 Pro is what the enthusiast community wanted. TBH im surprised that razer has yet to come out with a Artisan Quality mousepad yet either, if there was a big brand name company to sell a $100 cloth pad it would be Razer.
I think the word “pro” is just in shambles now. Heck all I want is a mamba ultimate v2 pro 😂
I would love to see the da v3 mini have a good place in the market, to compete with the regular cobra
I really think Razer saw the writing on the wall with all the cheap mini mice coming out these days, especially ones that are so close to the RVM shape. Probably a better business move for them vs competing with a much faster turnaround and cheaper mice from out East, but at the detriment of their customer base.
Techne, since you main a wired mouse now, what mouse bungee you use?
A Glorius Gaming bungee. They are all just about the same
main problem is they are messing the naming schemes up as a whole, older razer had more consistant naming scheme, like for example chroma, ultimate, elite, etc.
Looking for a new mouse, got a Viper Mini and would like something similar, braided cable, small and lightweight. I was looking for the Cobra, but I heard it's like the mini but cheaper in terms of quality 🙁 any suggestions for me ? The scroll wheel is horrible, clicking and scrolling, annoying sound while scrolling and the click is hard and not constant.
get the cobra wired then if you dont care about wireless or the new deathadder v3 wired
you could get the new deathadder v3 hyperspeed too but im assuming you dont wanna deviate from razer
LETS GO!! Make the cobra V2 pro! I still think it should be cobra ultimate. I think for it to be a good product all they had to do was name it the ultimate and quickly release the cobra pro because everyone has been waiting long enough for the viper mini wireless. Razer’s product line is confusing enough. Maybe I’m wrong but it just seems crazy to me that they didn’t see this
The Viper line could be the lightweight and the Cobra could be the one with all the features. I would like to see the same treatment with the deathadders. I for example dont like light cheap feeling mice when playing non fps games or when doing non gaming stuff while some dont like it at all. Both have a market.
Heres an idea:
Viper Lineup (Lightweight):
Viper (Wired) / Viper Pro (Wireless)
Viper Mini (Wired) / Viper Mini Pro (Wireless)
Cobra Lineup (Feature pact):
Cobra (Wired) / Cobra Pro (Wireless)
Cobra Mini (Wired) / Cobra Mini Pro (Wireless)
how smol cobra mini will be lmao
If you like rgb just get basilisk
i just want the viper mini with the buttons on both sides of the mouse just like the viper
Yeah but Razer has also said that they have "no current plans to release more mice with this shape".
That is even more confusing, one way or another. They could call it the Boomslang 2, but to give it that shape, after time and time again stating they are going to release a lightweight (relatively) low cost option of the Viper Mini is a spit in the face to those who were asking for it.
I bet we will be a cobra lightweight
@@TheTechne Given you have a relationship with them I'm hoping you have to hush hush about stuff you know, then again signing an NDA wouldn't allow you to say things like this...
But either way, that would likely just throw more fuel on the fire.
Personally, I don't REALLY care- given I spent large amounts of money on mice every month ANYWAY. But I get downvoted to hell any time I suggest people be patient and either wait or find a new mouse if it is taking too long for them. Honestly, I'm inclined to agree at this point.
Razer has said (via Reddit posts) that despite the cries for a VMW, the "demand" in the real world isn't that strong and it doesn't make sense for them to make it.
I dunno. Sounds hella confusing. And I follow this WAY closer than I probably should.
@@SDXStudiodownvoted? Like Reddit? Dude stay off that, they aren’t nothing but negative haters!
@@TheTechne amen to that. Buncha savages
@@SDXStudio Bunch of "Shape is kingers"
I‘d love a truthear hexa review. It’s a crazy budget IEM
for the v2 pro and the v3 pro they should use the word competition instead. Like BMW, they have the m4 and the m4 competition. So the naming scheme should be from essential with no features to pro with all the feature, and the competition line would have mice with only good specs with no rgb and light weight
I love the cobra, I bought it and love using it
I mean the Cobra Wired "literally" is a Viper Mini v2. People just wanted an "e-sports" version of the Mini, a la Viper v2 Pro.
The way I see it. The cobra pro is the lightest mouse razer offers with all the bells and whistles. It's wireless, its got the wireless charging, its got all the rgb (Some people find that important and im all for personalizing your setup) Its still got the DPI switches up top and it only weighs 3 more grams than the viper ultimate. While its not for me as I do like my ultralight mice. Compared to everything else, there just aren't mice that are trying to be more feature dense whilst keeping down weight, especially in razer's lineup. To get something similar in feature set, youd get the basilisk V3 pro. Sure, you do get a couple more features, but it weighs 35g more. The cobra pro feels like it took every compromise all their other mice had to take, and bundled it together in a way that made it feel like youre not missing out as much.
I came from a Logitech G Pro Wired which I used for almost 6 years without any issue and purchased a Razer Cobra Wired yesterday to feel something "different". All I can say is, why can't we save the rgb profile? My G Pro has an on-board memory which can literally save everything. Also, not to mention all the drama this mouse has 😂
Too small and sensor/connectivity issues after a few hours of use. Returned in less than 24 hrs.
Weird, mine was flawless
Pro means a $130+ price point ……. So pro basically means dollars 💰💰💰💰
Might be a complete outlier (or just an old man), but my wrist hurts whenever I use those 'esports' lightweight mouse. I am so glad that there is a slightly heavier mouse (honestly, it's still prety darn light imo). Not everyone plays better because their mouse is 20g or 40g, and not everyone plays competitive FPS all the time. And I 100% appreciate RGB (wish that DeathAdder V3 Pro had some RGB lol). Also, it's important to note that build quality of a mouse is as important as its weight... I've use lightweight cheap brands that break on me after 3 months.
While everyone is getting agitated about how it not super duper lightweight and getting all upset about it - there are people like me who don't really care much for it being featherweight. Gonna cop one to try it out because the 'negatives' in all the reviews so far seems to be just disappointment of not getting a lightweight wireless mini mouse - that's all. The mouse itself doesn't seem bad at all.
Lastly, I think Razer renamed this mouse to "Cobra" because it isn't a Viper Mini.... And they are right, it isn't a Viper Mini Wireless. LOL
I wanna add... Do people like the Viper Mini shape? Yes.
Would people appreciate more mice built with the tested-and-proven Viper Mini shape? Hell yeah.
Now that there's another mouse with the iconic same shape, just more focused on feature-packed = "booo that's not a viper mini wireless" -- and yes, i dont think it is LOL
I'm like - huh?
@The Techne hi can u make a video about darmoshark m3 mouse
No plans
I feel like nowadays in this online era ppl are taking this esports scene too seriously. If you said to me in the 90's that a mouse would cost more than my playstation I would laugh my shit off.
You sold me on the viper mini. Best mouse I ever owned.
By far the best other than the mouse wheel click always breaking.
@@lmnts556 Mine is in perfect condition. Nothing ever happened to it in like 2 years on daily use. I wish I kept the other one and didn't sell it. I bought two viper mini for $20.
Just release another version of cobra like cobra apex or something. Make sure to remove the RGB, Reduce the weight to under 60gm & keep everything as it is. Boom, Everyone will be happy.
I’m sure we will see something like that
The biggest drama is that people wanted viper mini, they got viper mini se for what 300-400$? Then people asked for viper mini like V2 pro but they messed up and made cobra, so the biggest issue with Razer is, they can do better but they don´t care
I don't get it man. The other TH-camrs are like. "The viper v2 pro lost all the good features and isn't worth the price." Then the Cobra comes out and they're like. "It's not the mouse any of us asked for. All these features no one wanted" yet it's cheaper than the v2 pro. Like bro make up your minds man. So annoying.
It would be super cool if they named Deathadder V3 Cobra - cobra sounds great and it's much easier to spell thatn Deathadder. It would make much more sense l ike you said and would also be comfortable language-wise:)
Really enjoying the small size of the viper mini a wireless version would of been really cool for a reasonable price 90 to 100 maybe? Instead its a 130 dollar mouse thats completely from a standard viper mini. Feel like building brand back up by actually releasing great gaming mice and taking community feedback and telling everyone that a viper mini wireless will come just for this is really disappointing.
I was alway told in school and college classes. You're always going to be inspired by someone or something, no matter what. They would had the viper and the cobra, on a drawing board and would had taken the designs and combined them. To then just call it the cobra X as an example. Clearly it design was inspired by the viper. If everyone is seeing the viper design, thats no coincidence.
should have been called the Cobra Ultimate, leave the pro for the fps stuff
idk personally razer is all over the place. easiest way to fix it is change all the feature rich mice to ultimate. and change all the cutdown lightweight ones to pros. not saying one is better than the other just different. then also fix the price points. standard wired
I'm hearing Hercules screaming DISAPPOINTED!
People just wanted a Razer Viper Mini ultimate (smaller/lighter version of the Viper Ultimate (this mouse gets a chefs kiss from me)). They got a smaller yet heavier mouse with more RGB (which most competitive gamers at any level don't care about). I personally like the Cobra, the RGB is good for my Goku influenced setup but I'm not a competitive gamer. They should just release a Viper Mini Ultimate, exact same as the Viper Ultimate but smaller that's what their customers want.
When I hear the word PRO with I can only think of "here we go another ESports gaming mouse and $$$$ product. But if I had to choose a name for the Deathadder V3,4,5 PRO mouse I would give it something fresh like maybe Razer Deathstar V3 Pro lol.
Here's what I think.
They're gonna offer the Cobra as a feature packed mini.
And they're gonna release an updated Viper mini with wireless and such just like the Viper V2.
All these tech youtubers getting all bent out of shape just because they don't make exactly what you want immediately is just kinda dumb.
All youtubers nowadays seem to believe all PC gamers are hardcore FPS gamers(I am) and the only mice worth making are hardcore FPS mice. Which is just a very skewed perspective on gaming in general. There are far more people who use budget mice, monitors and PC's in general than any of these high-end peripherals. And even when it comes to high end peripherals, the FPS - packed with features ratio is still 1-8 ratio easily.
All this kind of content does is discourage companies from introducing variety into their production lines as they get a ton of negative PR from tech youtubers who only want one specific things and skew the views of "loyal" followers who blindly listen to what's being said.
it IS a great mouse. Got mine yesterday and i love it way more than any other mouse ive owned already. reminds me of the glorious model o- and the logitech g303 a little.
Too expensive for what it is, especially at that weigh. 78 grams is heavy. Of course, your grip, playstyle, and sensitivity play a big role too. I, personally, perform noticeably better on lighter mice. Even the 67 gram M42 wireless feels heavy compared to sub 60g mice. So far, my best peformer is the x2 mini. Have an Atlantis mini on the way to try out. If I had the money, I would also get the coming Starlight 12 Cheetah (small), but Ive never tried that size so I dont even know if Ill do good with it. Too big of a risk for how much it costs. Maybe I could sell it if I dont like it. We will see when it comes out. And I dont know anyone in person who even knows what a Finalmouse is, so I cant even try one from a friend before I buy it.
This mouse does not deserve the hate it gets, which can get out of hand sometimes. However, I do understand where most people are coming from. Razer should be accountable, but the way most people are tackling the situation is not good at all as well. Razer must handle the criticism professionally and act accordingly. Business is still business after all.
Razer needs to properly name their products. Why call a feature-rich mouse "Pro" when they have the "Ultimate" for it? I mean, seeing the name Pro, many would expect it to be in-line with the Viper V2 Pro and Deathadder V3 Pro.
Honestly, I was expecting them to at least relaunch some of their previous mice such as the Mamba and the Diamondback. The Diamondback is a potential seller since it is a symmetrical and ambidextrous mouse. Diamondback Pro??? Mamba Ultimate??? Hell, they could even bring back the Ouroboros if they want to for giggles. That would be cool.
Regarding the Mamba because I truly love that mouse!
When I first saw the Deathadder V3, my mind went "that could have been the Mamba" because they definitely took notes from the Mamba and it felt really weird seeing how iconic the Deathadder design was. The original design of the Deathadder was well-received by both "casual" and "hardcore" gamers alike.
For me, it was definitely a case of why-fix-something-that-still-works. This seemed like an actual replacement of not only the Deathadder but the Mamba as well, unlike with the case of the Cobra and the Viper Mini.
The Deathadder V3 should have been the Mamba relaunch. However, I have no qualms about it now. I still am hoping they have future plans for the Mamba (and the Diamondback).
For me the only way to understand Something Pro is Something Better. Just like Ultimate. Razer Viper. Razer Viper Better. Razer Viper Betterer.
To me they just decided so many Vipers were getting out of hand and they could as well rename the Viper Mini to Cobra taking advantage of the slight redesigns. The wired not only has almost the same shape, it has the same sensor (8400 DPI max? That got to be pmw3369).
Man’s just said “Facker” for the “faker”(fake-er) edition! 😂 great content as always!
Agree, If the mouse was called something else besides "PRO" most people would have been more open to the mouse, and let's get the "elephant" out of the room here... weight in a gaming mouse is an subjective opinion and is not the reason that sets a good mouse to another for even pros at the highest level , Like heck! I still love and use my G703 100g mouse! but I also still love a lightweight mouse as well, alot comes down to Size, mouse pads, surfaces and skates etc.. I could go on, but let's face it, most people that game on a PC are probably still use a G502 or something like that because it safe mainstream and consumer friendly. it's only the Neche buyers like myself that have about 10-15 mouse laying around in my room looking and testing out for the bleeding edge tech that works for me. So for most main consumers the new Razer Cobra Pro mouse could be a real bannger. It just might upset the Neche buyers that might be after that "Pro" edge that that seems to be lightweight slippery and wall hack material.
My opinion is that for a mouse which costs around $161 (the wireless one, here at my place this is what it costs, ) I would definitely say the charging deck should've been included. Like seriously, wtf. It's a wireless mouse Razer... What the hell were you thinking? :D Another think, 78g is heavy for you? Yea considering the other models it's heavy. I use an Asus ROG Pugio, guess the weight of it. without the cable it's 103 g. 🤣 At least according to it's specifications on the Asus main website. So yea, Cobra Pro would be a sweet cloud in my hands. But for $161? Jesus. In my country (Hungary) that's 55.000 Forints. Let me tell you here that the avarege salary here is around 250.000 HUF, that's the true data, not the one that was reported by the government. That's a freakin' lie. 😂
i love u techne
hopefully they do a V2 Pro and remove all the BS
You are a Titan main i guess
Was on D1, now warlock
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I didn't watch this whole video. To me, Razer is just a company that likes to do things half-assed and their only claim to fame is having the beast mouse on the market with the DAV3. At the pace their competitors are moving, this probably won't change any time soon.
because literally no one asked for this
When companies start making products we only ask for, won’t that be the day
Brick!!
1st
I’m here with a 90 gram wired Zowie mouse wondering why in the heck-fahr the gen z squeakers are complaining about a 77 gram mouse…🤔
😂😂
Cobra = Viper Ultimate 🤦♂🤦♀💩💩
We are promised for Viper Mini Pro. Wireless. whatever it.s
I want Razer to bring back the Lachesis.
I'm going to buy the mini I won't play with him😊👍🖲️💸💸💸