As a new player im really enjoying no build mode and it’s the only reason i started playing Fortnite, i don’t care about learning something that can’t be used in other games.
I feel like in recent years gaming in general has found a new problem where the higher skill ceiling a mechanic has, almost the worse. It splits the community in 2 with the people who now have hours upon hours to play and master the mechanics and the people who either have less access to good gaming equipment or just less motivation or commitment to the game as the other people. This can be seen best in fortnite with building, a mechanic with an almost infinite skill ceiling. I feel like this is where stuff like “touch grass” comes from as the skill ceilings become higher and higher.
I only play the Zero Build mode, but I would hope that Builds continues to get as much love and care, many people fell in love with building in Fortnite and while i am not one of those people, I would hate to see that section of the community get shafted.
I started playin late- C2S4 because the building/editing was so complex and difficult to me. I haven’t gamed in like 10 yrs until I started playin fort and been playin consistently since. I play no build tourneys but I’m build gang for life
Builds is the reason why this game is so good to me, because it is so diffrent compared to other games. If no builds is the future of Fortnite, it is just a normal battle royale game like every one else.
@@tidavis5658 Right! The do it better. Everything that "works" for no builds is straight copied from those games. Including the climbing the balloon then gliding out- thats from Apex.
Incredible video and 100% the reason FN is how it is currently. The player base just got too good. With that said, no builds is destined for the same fate. I watch you stream daily and you’re a prime example. You constantly drop 15+ kill games in no build pubs. You’re getting put in a lobby with players, equivalent to what we were in C1,S3, and your movement/aim/game sense are just far superior currently to others in your lobby. Inevitably the skill ceiling is going to climb and as the saying goes, “rinse and repeat”.
You cant really compare the two and say Zero build will become the same. Zero build has much more going for it. Its easier to practice and become better at, lower skill ceiling etc. Saying people will stop playing based on people getting better is like saying people will stop playing Warzone or other no build BR games, it just isn’t true. The reason Fortnite lost people with building is the skill level rose and the ability to get better remained high.
Fortnite didn't look much like my thing, but I wanted to know what it was all about like 2-3 years ago (I participated in the Marshmallow? concert event thing). My experience was exactly like the one the video mentioned: "I shoot someone and he builds a tower in 2 seconds." Since that was the point of the game, I watched some tutorials and spent like 2 weeks trying to learn the ropes, but ultimately the building aspect of the game wasn't fun for me. Thinking about it, after uninstalling, I asked myself: "How can this game be so insanely popular while revolving around such specific and difficult mechanic?" It didn't make sense to me. I believe it had a lot to do with just becoming trendy, because I couldn't see "spam building" having such universal appeal. My prediction at the time was the game would die because of that, due to the very thing it made its gameplay unique. The skill floor had become too high for new players to get into. It seems Epic reached a similar conclusion when looking at all the data they collected.
I play Fortnite building mode i love the fact that i can build, I did play zero build mode but it just felt like another generic battle royale. the worst thing epic games can do is abandon building mode for zero build mode the two modes can co-exist casually and competitive
It's not about not being able to keep up with sweats, it's the fact that many people don't have fun when they have to try harder to keep up. Also, the fact that Epic can't figure out that pubs should have fun items and weapons is so frustrating.
I love the idea of building in Fortnite so much, but I just can’t stand it in practice. It was a system made for a horde shooter game, abused to be a battle of who can press a million buttons faster. That is why I always stick to Zero Build outside of STW
Yh and it’s unfortunate. In terms of fun, building is for Fortnite’s prime was between season 1 and like season 6 of chapter 1. It was still fun imo after season 6 but that’s when it noticeably became excessive and of course got worse over time.
A year later and this conversation is still relevant. I started playing zero build and only played zb for over a year. Then I started getting xp/quests thru Team Rumble, a build mode game for those who don't know. Now, I occasionally play BR because my build-skill-based matching is so low that I can kind of compete in pubs. Also, the pacing is different in Builds, players are less likely to shoot at you if you're just going about your business, whereas zb players will push out to storm's edge to get an elim for no good reason. In builds, the edge is less contested; big fights happen, builds remain and players move to zone. I can pick thru loot piles and rarely see anyone until zone closes. It has a different, more casual, vibe, until you get to endgame where build skills set players apart very clearly. In my lobbies, there might be one or two people who can build a multi-level structure effortlessly; the rest of us build noobs are happy to throw up a wall or a box to heal in. It *can* be fun playing at this level, but I will say there's an awful lot of toxic "trash" talk out there amongst literal children and young adults, as well as a few older players. I figure they've never really competed physically at any level, in any game, where you come to understand that you win some, you lose some; if you lose in real life, it's because your opponent outwitted you, outplayed you, wanted it more...in video games you never know who's cheating and who's just good. Plus, there's the whole aspect of streaming where anyone can watch you fail if you choose to. Just a thought or two.
The data inaccuracy of this is wild. He shows the data of Fortnite declining, but the plyer based grew in 2021. Five times more people played the build NAE tournament this Friday than the no build quick cup. The impression farming here at the expense of the game is sad.
You just compared a tournament with prize money to a quick cup... that was on at the same time as a No Build cup for a skin. C'mon man don't be that guy.
@@AussieAntics fair enough, although I do think epic is testing who plays what by putting tournaments at the same time. I do feel like a video using the Fortnite tracker participation data across modes/regions would be a more compelling narrative. For example, using ZB cash cup data in NAE , participation went from 9k teams in week 1 to 7k to 6k the rest of the season. For all the hype, streaming, and marketing pushing zero build, it has led to a decline in participation this season. Also, not a kid, but thanks for looking out.
I’ve never been a fan of the building because I’m trash at it, but I respect the uniqueness it brought to the genre. The problem nowadays is the skill gap is insanely skewed compared to the early days so it’s very unapproachable if you’re just now getting into the game unless you just don’t have real life responsibilities. Nobuilds saved Fortnite and opened it up to many more people prolonging the life of the Battle Royale mode.
@aussieantics the game should be balanced between Builds Edits Aim and creative items just like it was in chapter 1 this way everyone can enjoy it pros casuals everyone!
Got into Fortnite super late and Zero Builds is perfect. It use to suck trying to learn anything on controller especially with friends who were already familiar with the building mechanic
They’ll keep it as both I’m pretty sure. The community is split down the middle almost. The reason I play Fortnite is because it’s the hardest game I’ve ever played consistently. I have a drive to want to improve my building and editing. With no builds, the focus is on aim, good use of mechanics and items, and positioning- which you can get from any BR or really any shooter. As far as tournaments, I don’t really care. I’ve really never been close to ever winning one, so no skin off my back. I definitely wouldn’t watch them though. No builds is boring to watch.
I like what builds USED to be, back in the early days of Chapter 1. Now, it's utterly frustrating to go up against someone who grinds creative like a 9-5, practically manipulating time and space itself around you before shotgunning you in the dome for 200 and sending you back to the lobby. Even if I was GOOD at building, I just don't even WANT to do that because at that point, it's no longer the game I want to play. It doesn't look satisfying or even FUN to do; just hyper-accelerated arthritis, and praying that I have lower ping than the person I'm in a fight with. In my opinion, building has grown too far out of control for the average player. If not for Zero Build, nobody in my friend group would even have the game installed. The problem is that there's no easy way for Epic to fix it, and that building was fundamentally flawed from the very beginning; the ceiling was so ungodly high that it took over a year for everyone to realize it. Frankly, I'm tired of Zero Build. I WANT to be able to build again, but only in a meta where building is more like how it used to be. Until that happens, if it ever does, I have absolutely no desire to even set foot into the hot mess that is builds. It's simply not worth my time, to be quite honest.
Building is definately what turned me off and for me no build is the way to go but why couldn't they just limit building rather than remove it completely
What I think fortnite needs is some sort of progression. Like how we have acount levels it would be cool if that gave you something. Something like that, that makes each game feel worth playing even if you don't win. Or like the crown shop that has been shared alot. Let me know if you agree if so what are some ideas. If you guys like it I will think of more ideas
In my opinion creative mode was where the game lost its way - a mode where you learn more from practicing drills compared to actually playing the game is a fundamental mistake imo
6:36 fortnite went from a shooting game with building mechanic to a building game with a shooting mechanic! That other than the changing of graphics was the reason fortnite died! It went from a game that smart and creative people won to a game thats simply no life 0 ping players only win
Exactly, and that’s why I only play no builds now, because I can actually win it and I have a chance. It feels like a lot of people have more of a chance, I can see the flaws with it, but I’m not gonna spend hours a day just to catch up years later
Nah only walls and cones with an edit delay wouldve been an interesting gamemode Also for no builds they shouldve added fort like items so it still maintains its identity
I could still mongraal classic people through window edits. But it would be boring without clix walls, Kasaki classic and cone exploits... I know so much about builds, peaks, exploits, crosshair placement and piece control that if they remove even one build or edit, i'd be mad.
@@clockafx5608 Not me. I use it very often in boxfights to give myself a right hand peak when i'm backed up in an awkward space and I also use it for Kasaki classics, Ryuzanami U-blocks AND replacing walls while being protected. It's honestly one of the most important edit in my playstyle and I get insane clips with it. I'd be mad if they removed it but that's probably just me and Raider464 who would be sad if this happened. Lol.
The third person shooter genre is so frustrating. Everything is either slow and clunky "tactical" shooters where you snap to walls and sit there for an eternity or... fortnite with its vomit a building out of thin air mechanic and maybe think about shooting someone once in a blue moon. I just want a TPS that actually utilizes the extra spacial awareness for fast and fluid MOVEMENT and good gun-play. Aka I want s4 league back
While I appreciate the incredibly high skill ceiling of build mode, the very concept of dealing with the enemy building a tower for instant cover whenever they want was always really annoying and dumb. I actually don't think the sweats have much to do with player decline, just the implementation of build mode in general is annoying regardless. It's a weird esoteric skill you have to learn to just to push the skill ceiling enough to even compete. The skill is so unintuitive and esoteric that a lot of players, both casuals and sweats, would rather just not have to learn it, so they play no build instead.
The gameplay experience in Fortnite while building feels intense, almost as if watching a video of a skilled builder where visibility is limited to quick placements of structures, screen shaking, and sudden appearances of enemies for brief moments before being eliminated with a triumphant "I just hit a clip." This type of gameplay may not be as entertaining to watch compared to the no-builds Fortnite mode, where the gameplay mechanics are more visible and engaging, making it more enjoyable to watch or play. Personally, I prefer the no-builds game mode over building in Fortnite.
No builds rewards smart gameplay like positioning, rather than how much time a person spends each week in creative practicing. You can just jump in casually and do well if you play smart. I personally still prefer build mode, but struggle hard in it since I play a couple times a week.
That's what I loved about Fortnite. Just jump in, run around and fight people. If you get shot, build to protect yourself and heal. That to me was/is casual fun. Smart positioning is fun too, but it takes effort to concentrate. Less casual IMO. But I see the appeal for both.
I think the problem is that when I started playing fortnite I was 11 coming home from school and playing everyday. Overtime you grow up and I just haven’t had time and the energy to play fortnite and get destroyed by the 11 year old who come home everyday and play. I was in the 11 year old position once and I loved it. I could play whenever I want but everybody who played in 2018 grew up 4 years and have moved on. I also think it is just to complicated and if you step away for a month you wont be able to catch up 😢
At the end of the day, we’re are forgetting that Fortnite is no longer just a video game, but an E-sport. This means that they need to do things to improve the gameplay of professionals, not the mortal like us! And yes! Like every sport, we all have play a friendly baseball, basketball, or football with our friends at the park, but at the end, we all wanna know the mechanics that the professional uses!
Since nobuilds got added I thought about quitting the game. With the neglect on builds,prize pools getting worse, fncs and solo cash cups getting removed and bigger responsibility’s growing outside of game I don’t feel as excited as I did to play the game and there is no reward at the end of the day for playing the game, none of your friends who aren’t sweaty play that much anymore, your sweat friends that do play you can play arena with but the arena grind is so hard to do when your mom says you can only play 2 days a week so you have to have a perfect day of only getting vic-roys to for very little return. Fortnite just isn’t the same and I don’t know if I can give into the game much longer.
I've spent time grinding to get how good I am at building (which isn't that good). Its just really hard to see all of that grinding was useless as no builds came out. For me building is what gives this game its character and I'd rather play another game in battle royale instead of no builds. If they added first person to no builds and a different map with more cover I'd see myself play it more. Just because I dont play it doesn't mean I hate if, I'm excited to see what epic can do with it.
Building is what made this game different than any other shooter game. Building is still the future. Statistically yes no builds has bigger population but is there any skill gap in just a run in gun game with no builds ?
I started 8 months ago and already hit unreal like 7 times on various accounts in normal BR. Took like 200-250 hrs of play time to get to that level. A bit much to be fair though.
more bots play no build that’s why 🤣 the good players are going to continue playing builds which is less than the Ai zero build players 💀 think about it
@@emmanuel-wz4oq Epic games dont care if you are good at the game or not they want to grow the playerbase and to make more money. However they should definitely keep most of the prize pool for build mode because this is what fortnite competitive is about
@@emmanuel-wz4oqOh, so it's wrong for people to have a preference for zero build? Don't call them bots because of that. It only makes you pathetic. Learn to grow up and respect the fact that someone can enjoy a game mode that's not your precious build mode.
came back here after 1.5 years and the answer is no. Avg playercounts more on build mode, Epic is not focused on zero build, avg comp viewership is more on build mode. And in my opinion zero build finals is a lot less entertaining then build mode finals (I mean tournaments like fncs)
We all know what is the problem with this game and its not “sWeAts” nor “BuLdINg” its the META of the game being the same for 3 years!!! Its not about building its about Fortnite META being only and only on piece control and builds! And the first question that pops up to your mind is that “then how should they change that” I tell you! Fortnite started to nerf any item that could help you win a fight except for building! They removed one shot headshots on snipes and all shotguns! They removed traps ,boogies, stink bombs, shadow bombs these items are not OP! These are not uncompetitive! These items require actual skill! You can boogie yourself and in builds it require actual skill to actually boogie people! Same as other items that they vaulted! People like to act like the only thing that is skill is box fighting and its the most idiotic thing I ever heard in my whole life since box fighting is just ping 😐 99% of the time player with better ping wins 😐 how is this competitive! And I say these stuff as a player that this season will be his 5th season in a row in champion league! The solution to this problem was balancing the game with building ,editing ,aiming ,indirect fire items (like traps, boogies, different times of nades!) not bringing dumb zero build that only seperate and divide the community and kills the game even more Plus with more balanced play style more people can actually start playing fortnite and genuinely enjoy the game and I mean the real game not this dumb zero build thing! People with good aim can enjoy the game! Smart people can enjoy the game AND people who love building can enjoy the game just as it was in chapter 1! Pro players ruined the game they complained their way into making the game in a way only a 12 year old 0 ping no life can win
The only way no bulds can be the future one if they fix visual sound effects, they fix the shotguns and the rest of the guns in the game. Also, for the love of Christ, add more cover bushes don’t count as covered they count as a hiding spot.
@@Rayan_741 What good players? No lifers definitely. I love builds, I've grown along side Fortnite for 5 years, but c'mon, stop denying the obvious, if they won't make any changes to builds to attract new players it won't be a prime focus. Almost no one, but existing players are willing to waste countless hours of grinding the game just to be a little good with building, the potential is too big for it's own good. Complicated and Hard shouldn't surpass a certain margin, as many people just want to chill after work or school and those who want to hardcore compete isn't playing Fortnite a lot recently, many even left the scene in the recent years.
listen no build is cool for the casual community nobody can deny that, but this is what happened, the game became overly too popular to quick. content creators made it absolutely explode. lots of players have came left over and over again. some more casual, some more competitive. it has been evolving for years, some for good and some for worse. only OG’s that played back in the day play no build because it reminds them of the days when they could hop on, and building wasn’t advanced at all yet so it was basically no build anyways. everyone says the game isn’t the same but when all these people cue into a no build match they immediately think this is good old fortnite, the problem is most people didn’t evolve and they use excuses to say the game is bad (even tho epic has been feeding its downfall) and isn’t the same anymore when it’s literally the same concept game with a different loot pool and more advanced building/fighting. i’ll probably get shade for this comment but this is a fact and nobody can tell me otherwise…
Dude, just play creative boxfights and creative 1v1s, realistics, buildfights... Creative is the way for players like me who are too dumb for competitive and too mechanicly advanced for arena.
i didnt like no build when it came out that much but mainly because when it was introduced the map had giant blimps across the entire map and if you weren't on one you'd often just get beamed from 300m away by someone with a burst and there wasnt any items to really protect yourself with now though i find it very fun and play that more than with builds
What broke fortnite is the poorly implemented SBMM. I’m old, I’m slow, I struggle to build and played the game for fun, my KD has never been high, or my win ratio. But everytime I load up I’m in with very very good players, and I once went to play with friends and was in a sypher PK game. I’m nowhere near that level, so why would I play a game where there is a very limited chance of making top 10, let alone 1st
This. I absolutely HATE sweats. It’s like they spend so long learning how to build just to piss people off they can’t even just fight normally. There should be a zero build competitive for everyone who can actually play well that doesn’t need a crutch.
Totally agree with all this. I may not be a fan of no build just cause the maps not made for it. I also don't like it because builds I versus people way above my skill and then in no builds kids way under my skill. Apart from that I do see no builds being the future but I think it will suffer the same fate just cause it will lose popularity due to it being a videogame and all games go through the same cycle. I will also say people fell in love with the game because of the building but new people prefer no builds, so why doesn't epic make a compromise. If I'm not mistaken back in the day there was a game mode called ground game, where each player had a max of 70 mats total across the materials and reduced ammo count. I feel like this could be good if they bring it back because it has the building but the player base will have to player smarter with more strategy but knowing Epic they will never add this.
I dont know whats the future of fortnite, I've been playing since the beggining and love the building mechanic, sure I'm not a cracked player but at least I know how to put a wall and I really enjoy hopping into creative for like 5 mins and then go into solo BR. Even if no builds IS the future of fortnite, I'll keep playing build mode. Good for the new content that No Builds get, it's a new gamemode that doesn't have what most casuals don't like (building) so yeah, sad to see that build tourneys does not have the same views it had at the beggining
I started ch2 s1 got since then div10 couple times, placed in tourneys all on console and killed some pros. But on my life if they announce building is gone or no more tournaments I'm switching to another game. RIP FORTNITE
I’m not the great builder in the world but I still prefer build mode compared to zero build because you can use builds to evade sticky situations but hey that’s just me.
What if they make a game mode were turbo building is enabled or heavy nerfed and that we can't build more then 3 layers above the ground. Then the meta would be much different
As a new player im really enjoying no build mode and it’s the only reason i started playing Fortnite, i don’t care about learning something that can’t be used in other games.
Exactly. Build mode is also extremely boring to majority of casual viewers. All I see is bunch of scared kids turtling behind a trashy looking wall.
I used played build mode but I switched up to no build
Build mode is way more fun
Prefer zero build=bad at the game
@@Bluebear_Editsah yes because we cant enjoy a normal battle royale it has to havebuilding or some other crazy thing going on bu whatever
@@r3w0rked go play ping or warzone them?
I feel like in recent years gaming in general has found a new problem where the higher skill ceiling a mechanic has, almost the worse. It splits the community in 2 with the people who now have hours upon hours to play and master the mechanics and the people who either have less access to good gaming equipment or just less motivation or commitment to the game as the other people. This can be seen best in fortnite with building, a mechanic with an almost infinite skill ceiling. I feel like this is where stuff like “touch grass” comes from as the skill ceilings become higher and higher.
I only play the Zero Build mode, but I would hope that Builds continues to get as much love and care, many people fell in love with building in Fortnite and while i am not one of those people, I would hate to see that section of the community get shafted.
i would love it. then the game would stop being sweaty
@@TheBestSpeedMomentsnot true, there are zero build sweats too, believe me, I’ve encountered them.
it will be the future but still builds will also be a super important part since it became popular with it
no matter how bad the game is now, building made fortnite everything that it is and the game mode we all fell in love with
Ay this point no build is the future you can’t ignore that
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Nope. I hardly ever built when I started playing and never worked on developing it. Builds are shit.
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I started playin late- C2S4 because the building/editing was so complex and difficult to me. I haven’t gamed in like 10 yrs until I started playin fort and been playin consistently since. I play no build tourneys but I’m build gang for life
Builds is the reason why this game is so good to me, because it is so diffrent compared to other games. If no builds is the future of Fortnite, it is just a normal battle royale game like every one else.
Agreed. And not even that good of one. History will repeat itself and everyone will get sick of it again. Build or no builds.
You might as well play cod or apex
@@tidavis5658 Right! The do it better. Everything that "works" for no builds is straight copied from those games. Including the climbing the balloon then gliding out- thats from Apex.
The only appeal to no build fortnite compared to other brs is the amount of crossover cosmetics there are
@@christianlaton9798Nah, COD and Apex are straight up boring in comparison. Fortnite's zero build mode is way more fun than COD or Apex wish to be.
Incredible video and 100% the reason FN is how it is currently. The player base just got too good. With that said, no builds is destined for the same fate. I watch you stream daily and you’re a prime example. You constantly drop 15+ kill games in no build pubs. You’re getting put in a lobby with players, equivalent to what we were in C1,S3, and your movement/aim/game sense are just far superior currently to others in your lobby. Inevitably the skill ceiling is going to climb and as the saying goes, “rinse and repeat”.
You cant really compare the two and say Zero build will become the same. Zero build has much more going for it. Its easier to practice and become better at, lower skill ceiling etc. Saying people will stop playing based on people getting better is like saying people will stop playing Warzone or other no build BR games, it just isn’t true. The reason Fortnite lost people with building is the skill level rose and the ability to get better remained high.
I don’t even think another wc matter it’ll just bring players for a while to compete but then they’ll just leave cause of the skill gap
Fortnite didn't look much like my thing, but I wanted to know what it was all about like 2-3 years ago (I participated in the Marshmallow? concert event thing). My experience was exactly like the one the video mentioned: "I shoot someone and he builds a tower in 2 seconds." Since that was the point of the game, I watched some tutorials and spent like 2 weeks trying to learn the ropes, but ultimately the building aspect of the game wasn't fun for me.
Thinking about it, after uninstalling, I asked myself: "How can this game be so insanely popular while revolving around such specific and difficult mechanic?" It didn't make sense to me. I believe it had a lot to do with just becoming trendy, because I couldn't see "spam building" having such universal appeal.
My prediction at the time was the game would die because of that, due to the very thing it made its gameplay unique. The skill floor had become too high for new players to get into. It seems Epic reached a similar conclusion when looking at all the data they collected.
I play Fortnite building mode i love the fact that i can build, I did play zero build mode but it just felt like another generic battle royale. the worst thing epic games can do is abandon building mode for zero build mode the two modes can co-exist casually and competitive
why would they get rid of build? that literally is the game
It's not about not being able to keep up with sweats, it's the fact that many people don't have fun when they have to try harder to keep up.
Also, the fact that Epic can't figure out that pubs should have fun items and weapons is so frustrating.
I love the idea of building in Fortnite so much, but I just can’t stand it in practice. It was a system made for a horde shooter game, abused to be a battle of who can press a million buttons faster. That is why I always stick to Zero Build outside of STW
Yh and it’s unfortunate. In terms of fun, building is for Fortnite’s prime was between season 1 and like season 6 of chapter 1. It was still fun imo after season 6 but that’s when it noticeably became excessive and of course got worse over time.
Late Game should be the future of competitive Fortnite but they won't push it hard enough. Less RNG, quick, engaging content.
A year later and this conversation is still relevant. I started playing zero build and only played zb for over a year. Then I started getting xp/quests thru Team Rumble, a build mode game for those who don't know. Now, I occasionally play BR because my build-skill-based matching is so low that I can kind of compete in pubs. Also, the pacing is different in Builds, players are less likely to shoot at you if you're just going about your business, whereas zb players will push out to storm's edge to get an elim for no good reason. In builds, the edge is less contested; big fights happen, builds remain and players move to zone. I can pick thru loot piles and rarely see anyone until zone closes. It has a different, more casual, vibe, until you get to endgame where build skills set players apart very clearly. In my lobbies, there might be one or two people who can build a multi-level structure effortlessly; the rest of us build noobs are happy to throw up a wall or a box to heal in. It *can* be fun playing at this level, but I will say there's an awful lot of toxic "trash" talk out there amongst literal children and young adults, as well as a few older players. I figure they've never really competed physically at any level, in any game, where you come to understand that you win some, you lose some; if you lose in real life, it's because your opponent outwitted you, outplayed you, wanted it more...in video games you never know who's cheating and who's just good. Plus, there's the whole aspect of streaming where anyone can watch you fail if you choose to. Just a thought or two.
The data inaccuracy of this is wild. He shows the data of Fortnite declining, but the plyer based grew in 2021. Five times more people played the build NAE tournament this Friday than the no build quick cup. The impression farming here at the expense of the game is sad.
You just compared a tournament with prize money to a quick cup... that was on at the same time as a No Build cup for a skin. C'mon man don't be that guy.
@@AussieAntics fair enough, although I do think epic is testing who plays what by putting tournaments at the same time. I do feel like a video using the Fortnite tracker participation data across modes/regions would be a more compelling narrative. For example, using ZB cash cup data in NAE , participation went from 9k teams in week 1 to 7k to 6k the rest of the season. For all the hype, streaming, and marketing pushing zero build, it has led to a decline in participation this season. Also, not a kid, but thanks for looking out.
I want a "no edit" -mode.
I’ve never been a fan of the building because I’m trash at it, but I respect the uniqueness it brought to the genre. The problem nowadays is the skill gap is insanely skewed compared to the early days so it’s very unapproachable if you’re just now getting into the game unless you just don’t have real life responsibilities. Nobuilds saved Fortnite and opened it up to many more people prolonging the life of the Battle Royale mode.
every time he says "baddle ree-elle" 🤣🤣🤣
i think the problem wuth buding is the huge advantage that ping gives when building.. only 0 ping warriprs are the ones enjoying a fair game
Even the pros are playing in the no build tournaments and liking them
@aussieantics the game should be balanced between Builds Edits Aim and creative items just like it was in chapter 1 this way everyone can enjoy it pros casuals everyone!
“A building game with a shooting mechanic” 😂😂😂… The Most True Statement
Welp. It's been another year, and no build often has more players than build mode!!!
Got into Fortnite super late and Zero Builds is perfect. It use to suck trying to learn anything on controller especially with friends who were already familiar with the building mechanic
love the new style of video aussie. the effort is insane cant wait for more like this in the future
They’ll keep it as both I’m pretty sure. The community is split down the middle almost.
The reason I play Fortnite is because it’s the hardest game I’ve ever played consistently. I have a drive to want to improve my building and editing. With no builds, the focus is on aim, good use of mechanics and items, and positioning- which you can get from any BR or really any shooter.
As far as tournaments, I don’t really care. I’ve really never been close to ever winning one, so no skin off my back. I definitely wouldn’t watch them though. No builds is boring to watch.
I like what builds USED to be, back in the early days of Chapter 1. Now, it's utterly frustrating to go up against someone who grinds creative like a 9-5, practically manipulating time and space itself around you before shotgunning you in the dome for 200 and sending you back to the lobby. Even if I was GOOD at building, I just don't even WANT to do that because at that point, it's no longer the game I want to play. It doesn't look satisfying or even FUN to do; just hyper-accelerated arthritis, and praying that I have lower ping than the person I'm in a fight with.
In my opinion, building has grown too far out of control for the average player. If not for Zero Build, nobody in my friend group would even have the game installed. The problem is that there's no easy way for Epic to fix it, and that building was fundamentally flawed from the very beginning; the ceiling was so ungodly high that it took over a year for everyone to realize it.
Frankly, I'm tired of Zero Build. I WANT to be able to build again, but only in a meta where building is more like how it used to be. Until that happens, if it ever does, I have absolutely no desire to even set foot into the hot mess that is builds. It's simply not worth my time, to be quite honest.
Building is definately what turned me off and for me no build is the way to go but why couldn't they just limit building rather than remove it completely
What I think fortnite needs is some sort of progression. Like how we have acount levels it would be cool if that gave you something. Something like that, that makes each game feel worth playing even if you don't win. Or like the crown shop that has been shared alot. Let me know if you agree if so what are some ideas. If you guys like it I will think of more ideas
Props to the editor who, seamlessly collated these videos and worked perfectly alongside Aussie narration
In my opinion creative mode was where the game lost its way - a mode where you learn more from practicing drills compared to actually playing the game is a fundamental mistake imo
But practicing is still actually playing the game so?
Tbh i only use creative to play against friends and mess around on maps i dont enjoy practicing i just play the game and get better as i play
6:36 fortnite went from a shooting game with building mechanic to a building game with a shooting mechanic! That other than the changing of graphics was the reason fortnite died! It went from a game that smart and creative people won to a game thats simply no life 0 ping players only win
Exactly, and that’s why I only play no builds now, because I can actually win it and I have a chance. It feels like a lot of people have more of a chance, I can see the flaws with it, but I’m not gonna spend hours a day just to catch up years later
@@galaxyred7 dude I am a “sweat” player Ive been in champions league for 5 seasons straight now! But trust me Im on your side!
No matter how bad the game gets, as a casual i will never stop watching content surrounding fortnite
As a comp player no builds is the future
I watch the whole video and Aussie didn’t answer the question of the video wowwowow
He literally did?
ENJOY NO BUILD UNTIL IT GET SWEETY TOO
These videos are so good man keep it up
I wonder what build mode would look like with no cones and if editing could only make a door and window. Or something like that.
Nah only walls and cones with an edit delay wouldve been an interesting gamemode
Also for no builds they shouldve added fort like items so it still maintains its identity
what the hell do you play fortnite like a letsplay
I could still mongraal classic people through window edits. But it would be boring without clix walls, Kasaki classic and cone exploits...
I know so much about builds, peaks, exploits, crosshair placement and piece control that if they remove even one build or edit, i'd be mad.
@@Renaissance464 i think wed all be good without Ustairs
@@clockafx5608 Not me. I use it very often in boxfights to give myself a right hand peak when i'm backed up in an awkward space and I also use it for Kasaki classics, Ryuzanami U-blocks AND replacing walls while being protected. It's honestly one of the most important edit in my playstyle and I get insane clips with it. I'd be mad if they removed it but that's probably just me and Raider464 who would be sad if this happened. Lol.
This game man lmao 😂
The third person shooter genre is so frustrating. Everything is either slow and clunky "tactical" shooters where you snap to walls and sit there for an eternity or... fortnite with its vomit a building out of thin air mechanic and maybe think about shooting someone once in a blue moon. I just want a TPS that actually utilizes the extra spacial awareness for fast and fluid MOVEMENT and good gun-play. Aka I want s4 league back
Fortnite is here to stay
While I appreciate the incredibly high skill ceiling of build mode, the very concept of dealing with the enemy building a tower for instant cover whenever they want was always really annoying and dumb. I actually don't think the sweats have much to do with player decline, just the implementation of build mode in general is annoying regardless.
It's a weird esoteric skill you have to learn to just to push the skill ceiling enough to even compete. The skill is so unintuitive and esoteric that a lot of players, both casuals and sweats, would rather just not have to learn it, so they play no build instead.
I will always play builds because it is very fun for me. If they remove it, I will quit the game
I agree idc if im.mid at it too
such an underrated video well written well edited i waasnt bored for a second, also agree with the sentiment
The gameplay experience in Fortnite while building feels intense, almost as if watching a video of a skilled builder where visibility is limited to quick placements of structures, screen shaking, and sudden appearances of enemies for brief moments before being eliminated with a triumphant "I just hit a clip." This type of gameplay may not be as entertaining to watch compared to the no-builds Fortnite mode, where the gameplay mechanics are more visible and engaging, making it more enjoyable to watch or play. Personally, I prefer the no-builds game mode over building in Fortnite.
just have a low building mode. one that has turbo buiding, and one that doesnt. 50 mats for each material. pretty much all we needed back in the day.
No builds rewards smart gameplay like positioning, rather than how much time a person spends each week in creative practicing. You can just jump in casually and do well if you play smart. I personally still prefer build mode, but struggle hard in it since I play a couple times a week.
That's what I loved about Fortnite. Just jump in, run around and fight people. If you get shot, build to protect yourself and heal. That to me was/is casual fun.
Smart positioning is fun too, but it takes effort to concentrate. Less casual IMO. But I see the appeal for both.
Bruh I swear people make creative look like joke people only think creative is boxfights
@Aleksi 2 yep it's sad how a mini be map that took so long to make is out shined by a map with two ramps a pump and blue ar
I got 46 crown wins this season on builds only and I haven’t played a minute of creative this season just get good and stop using the “ sweats” excuse
I think the problem is that when I started playing fortnite I was 11 coming home from school and playing everyday. Overtime you grow up and I just haven’t had time and the energy to play fortnite and get destroyed by the 11 year old who come home everyday and play. I was in the 11 year old position once and I loved it. I could play whenever I want but everybody who played in 2018 grew up 4 years and have moved on. I also think it is just to complicated and if you step away for a month you wont be able to catch up 😢
Love the content ❤
Simple Fix: Make a better SBMM fixes everybody’s problems
At the end of the day, we’re are forgetting that Fortnite is no longer just a video game, but an E-sport. This means that they need to do things to improve the gameplay of professionals, not the mortal like us! And yes! Like every sport, we all have play a friendly baseball, basketball, or football with our friends at the park, but at the end, we all wanna know the mechanics that the professional uses!
Since nobuilds got added I thought about quitting the game. With the neglect on builds,prize pools getting worse, fncs and solo cash cups getting removed and bigger responsibility’s growing outside of game I don’t feel as excited as I did to play the game and there is no reward at the end of the day for playing the game, none of your friends who aren’t sweaty play that much anymore, your sweat friends that do play you can play arena with but the arena grind is so hard to do when your mom says you can only play 2 days a week so you have to have a perfect day of only getting vic-roys to for very little return. Fortnite just isn’t the same and I don’t know if I can give into the game much longer.
GOAT, great video
it seems to me that epic games should improve the mode without construction and make items for this mode
Not my future. I will delete and uninstall and never look back
I've spent time grinding to get how good I am at building (which isn't that good). Its just really hard to see all of that grinding was useless as no builds came out. For me building is what gives this game its character and I'd rather play another game in battle royale instead of no builds. If they added first person to no builds and a different map with more cover I'd see myself play it more. Just because I dont play it doesn't mean I hate if, I'm excited to see what epic can do with it.
Same man, I like no build in tourneys but besides that i still enjoy practicing and gettin better at build mode
Building is what made this game different than any other shooter game. Building is still the future. Statistically yes no builds has bigger population but is there any skill gap in just a run in gun game with no builds ?
Any normal person who starts playing Fortnite today would probably never be able to play and learn build modes today
They absolutely can. It's just hard.
I started 8 months ago and already hit unreal like 7 times on various accounts in normal BR. Took like 200-250 hrs of play time to get to that level. A bit much to be fair though.
Remove editing, this could bring back players. Or make a mode where there is building and no editing
bad idea for all the pros, sweats, and building and editing is what made fornite what is it
i perfer no builds but i would love to try a "no edits" gamemode
Bro the finest late game map is so bad I can’t get in
The game needs a map overhaul. It's been basically the same map with different cosmetics forever. Take us to another planet or something.
SO CLOSE TO 300K!!!
Look at how many ppl played no build CCC last szn vs Build CCC last szn... thats all you need to know
more bots play no build that’s why 🤣 the good players are going to continue playing builds which is less than the Ai zero build players 💀 think about it
@@emmanuel-wz4oq Epic games dont care if you are good at the game or not they want to grow the playerbase and to make more money. However they should definitely keep most of the prize pool for build mode because this is what fortnite competitive is about
@@emmanuel-wz4oqOh, so it's wrong for people to have a preference for zero build? Don't call them bots because of that. It only makes you pathetic. Learn to grow up and respect the fact that someone can enjoy a game mode that's not your precious build mode.
came back here after 1.5 years and the answer is no. Avg playercounts more on build mode, Epic is not focused on zero build, avg comp viewership is more on build mode. And in my opinion zero build finals is a lot less entertaining then build mode finals (I mean tournaments like fncs)
We all know what is the problem with this game and its not “sWeAts” nor “BuLdINg” its the META of the game being the same for 3 years!!!
Its not about building its about Fortnite META being only and only on piece control and builds! And the first question that pops up to your mind is that “then how should they change that” I tell you! Fortnite started to nerf any item that could help you win a fight except for building! They removed one shot headshots on snipes and all shotguns! They removed traps ,boogies, stink bombs, shadow bombs these items are not OP! These are not uncompetitive! These items require actual skill! You can boogie yourself and in builds it require actual skill to actually boogie people! Same as other items that they vaulted! People like to act like the only thing that is skill is box fighting and its the most idiotic thing I ever heard in my whole life since box fighting is just ping 😐 99% of the time player with better ping wins 😐 how is this competitive! And I say these stuff as a player that this season will be his 5th season in a row in champion league!
The solution to this problem was balancing the game with building ,editing ,aiming ,indirect fire items (like traps, boogies, different times of nades!) not bringing dumb zero build that only seperate and divide the community and kills the game even more
Plus with more balanced play style more people can actually start playing fortnite and genuinely enjoy the game and I mean the real game not this dumb zero build thing! People with good aim can enjoy the game! Smart people can enjoy the game AND people who love building can enjoy the game just as it was in chapter 1!
Pro players ruined the game they complained their way into making the game in a way only a 12 year old 0 ping no life can win
The only way no bulds can be the future one if they fix visual sound effects, they fix the shotguns and the rest of the guns in the game. Also, for the love of Christ, add more cover bushes don’t count as covered they count as a hiding spot.
one thing ima say. zero build is not CHILL. you may think it is and its ez but NO. you see these zero build cups. Just watch one of them. you will see
only ogs know that the old title was will zb be the future of fortnite
build mode will always be better 🙂
But I feel like no build will be the future
@@AspexFPS maybe but the good players will play builds no matter what
@@Rayan_741 What good players? No lifers definitely.
I love builds, I've grown along side Fortnite for 5 years, but c'mon, stop denying the obvious, if they won't make any changes to builds to attract new players it won't be a prime focus.
Almost no one, but existing players are willing to waste countless hours of grinding the game just to be a little good with building, the potential is too big for it's own good. Complicated and Hard shouldn't surpass a certain margin, as many people just want to chill after work or school and those who want to hardcore compete isn't playing Fortnite a lot recently, many even left the scene in the recent years.
Then y does no one play anymore?
@Aleksi 2 If you think like that, sorry, but you're not the brightest star in the sky.
listen no build is cool for the casual community nobody can deny that, but this is what happened, the game became overly too popular to quick. content creators made it absolutely explode. lots of players have came left over and over again. some more casual, some more competitive. it has been evolving for years, some for good and some for worse. only OG’s that played back in the day play no build because it reminds them of the days when they could hop on, and building wasn’t advanced at all yet so it was basically no build anyways. everyone says the game isn’t the same but when all these people cue into a no build match they immediately think this is good old fortnite, the problem is most people didn’t evolve and they use excuses to say the game is bad (even tho epic has been feeding its downfall) and isn’t the same anymore when it’s literally the same concept game with a different loot pool and more advanced building/fighting. i’ll probably get shade for this comment but this is a fact and nobody can tell me otherwise…
Great video Aussie!
If no builds take over I’m just quitting this game
Same
it already has
Dude, just play creative boxfights and creative 1v1s, realistics, buildfights... Creative is the way for players like me who are too dumb for competitive and too mechanicly advanced for arena.
@@letflooo thank god. Fn became fun when they added zb.
@Aleksi 2 nha, i can play fn. if you wanna build go play minecraft.
Aussie bout to hit. 300k😊
i didnt like no build when it came out that much but mainly because when it was introduced the map had giant blimps across the entire map and if you weren't on one you'd often just get beamed from 300m away by someone with a burst and there wasnt any items to really protect yourself with
now though i find it very fun and play that more than with builds
Really good video! What place do you think no turbo building would have today? I expect with creative 2.0 that someone will put it to the test
Bro once that releases it will blow up
No matter what mode you play there will always be a skill gap
True. But getting good at no build is an easier entry.
If building ever gets removed, I’m quitting
What you need is something in middle limited builds and limited editing ie only edit a door etc think that would work
Building is what made the game and the people that complain about it just couldn't keep up
Is cause the people that hate building are so ass at building
What broke fortnite is the poorly implemented SBMM. I’m old, I’m slow, I struggle to build and played the game for fun, my KD has never been high, or my win ratio. But everytime I load up I’m in with very very good players, and I once went to play with friends and was in a sypher PK game. I’m nowhere near that level, so why would I play a game where there is a very limited chance of making top 10, let alone 1st
Have you seen building recently? End game is beyond crazy. You have to have an IQ of 300 to win.
Really makes you wonder how much time these kids have in their hands like i swear they probably skip school just to get good at fortnite
i think it is fortnite every season seems like they don’t care about it at all
Same
As an og I must admit zero builds is becoming big
I’m tryna get back into building after being zero build for a year
This. I absolutely HATE sweats. It’s like they spend so long learning how to build just to piss people off they can’t even just fight normally. There should be a zero build competitive for everyone who can actually play well that doesn’t need a crutch.
Totally agree with all this. I may not be a fan of no build just cause the maps not made for it. I also don't like it because builds I versus people way above my skill and then in no builds kids way under my skill. Apart from that I do see no builds being the future but I think it will suffer the same fate just cause it will lose popularity due to it being a videogame and all games go through the same cycle. I will also say people fell in love with the game because of the building but new people prefer no builds, so why doesn't epic make a compromise. If I'm not mistaken back in the day there was a game mode called ground game, where each player had a max of 70 mats total across the materials and reduced ammo count. I feel like this could be good if they bring it back because it has the building but the player base will have to player smarter with more strategy but knowing Epic they will never add this.
That is a horrendous compromise
I hope that no builds never get the MAIN character
If they removed turbo on a new mode this could improve it
I dont know whats the future of fortnite, I've been playing since the beggining and love the building mechanic, sure I'm not a cracked player but at least I know how to put a wall and I really enjoy hopping into creative for like 5 mins and then go into solo BR. Even if no builds IS the future of fortnite, I'll keep playing build mode. Good for the new content that No Builds get, it's a new gamemode that doesn't have what most casuals don't like (building) so yeah, sad to see that build tourneys does not have the same views it had at the beggining
I started ch2 s1 got since then div10 couple times, placed in tourneys all on console and killed some pros. But on my life if they announce building is gone or no more tournaments I'm switching to another game. RIP FORTNITE
I’m not the great builder in the world but I still prefer build mode compared to zero build because you can use builds to evade sticky situations but hey that’s just me.
What if they make a game mode were turbo building is enabled or heavy nerfed and that we can't build more then 3 layers above the ground. Then the meta would be much different
I’ve played two no builds tournaments and wanted to die so I pray builds stays
I'm a build player for life
Technically the build mode player count nowadays is higher then 0 Bil
l however it is definitely zero build that I prefer to play
Don’t really think so normal br has more then double the players then zero build
Dr disrespect has parkinsons aim 😂
I dont think they should cos then it will be the same as other games
I think the reason for the decline is that the sweats are sweating too much
or your just badz