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The Sith rule of two, was at best, only a partial success. Yes, they broke the Jedi order but after 1000 years in hiding meticulously building their power base, which culminated in a new Sith Galactic Empire, it fell apart after 20 years. Ultimately the Sith rule of two can only be considered a disappointment
Yup, the galactic empire was doomed from the start. You need more sith to keep power over such a vast enpire than just two sith. It's why I love the old republic era. You have so many jedi and sith, leading to good sith and evil jedi. It's a well of potential for numerous stories
Count Dooku’s a man of Royalty on his homeworld of Serenno. He chose to maintain his title out of honor for his lineage and purposely addressed himself as “Count”. So everyone did as well. When he became a Jedi however, he’d be addressed as Master Dooku. After that, back to just “Count”.
@@redleg1971 that's a myth. It's just a coincidence. Yes, Vader is close to Dutch/German word for father but dark in German is dunkel and Dutch is donker. George didn't decide to make Vader into Luke's father until years after Vader got his name.
Ventress and Voss is my favorite story of these, such a sad ending. Hit me right in the feels. I need to get that book asap, still have yet to give it a full read. I really wish they would have made the rest of clone wars season 7 and season 8. Ventress and Voss were two of my favorite characters. I really love that episode were Voss and Kenobi are hunting Ziro The Hunt. Voss jumps out of the gunship in front of obiwan and hits him with the "that's just like, your opinion Man." quote from The Big Labowski. ❤️🖤💚
Dark Disciple is great. Bought it one afternoon, finished in one sitting around midnight or 3 AM and I balled my eyes out like a baby. Got me all up in my feels.
In a weird way one could argue Maul is Rey's uncle. Palpatine isn't his father, but he did raise him since a very young child and groom his as his apprentice. A lot of Maul's fear of him is that of an abused child
Darth Bane used a Force power called the Thought Bomb to destroy the other Sith (Lord Kaan and the Brotherhood of Darkness) in the Battle of Ruusan. R.I.P. Githany
@@ThePharaqh True, but Darth Bane saw the major flaw in the Sith Order in their incessant infighting. It was teetering on the brink. They couldn’t keep fighting themselves and the Jedi on 2 fronts. He “downsized” the Sith to try to correct that error. That’s the main reason why he did it in addition being a major power grab for himself.
Dooku lines had a lot of potential were he to have actually managed to ditch Sidious at some point. He was very much a reformer (in this as in his politics) and seemed interested in the idea of recruiting multiple acolytes and creating what would've essentially been a replacement order for the both the Jedi and the Sith, devoid of many of the flaws of each (less insufferable Jedi rules and restrictions but without the rule of two or rage-junkie habits of the Sith)
Yeah, but tbf that would most likely dwelve into Grey Jedi territory and we all know that neutral force users are bound to fail. See Luke's Jedi Order, Ahsoka, and literally any other "grey" jedi or force user we've ever seen.
They should do a contest asking fans to develop a sith lord in the line of bane, as well as do a backstory, etc, and choose 50 winners and make these Sith canon. You can do the same with ancient Jedi. That way the fans can actually be a part of the fandom.
Maul may have seen Ezra as an potential apprentice, but Ezra didn't fall far enough to him to count other than learning the trick to opening a Sith holocron.
The infighting of the Sith is how they survived, this remained true even with the rule of two with Apprentices often murdering their masters to succeed them
I love this! The Disney canon Sith lore is always overshadowed by legends lore tbh. Also what I never understood is how the galactic republic allowed the sith to exist🤣😭. They never seem to be up to any good so it's strange to me how it would exist for so long in a galaxy of "law and justice"
The Galactic Republic simply didn't know they still existed after the battle of Ruusan. The Jedi spearheaded the Ruusan Reformation, which was not only a reform of the Jedi Order, but of the Republic as well. The Republic effectively outlawed the existence of military forces, leaving only planetary police forces, a republic police fleet for dealing with isolated smugglers and pirates, and the Jedi as peacekeepers whose job it was to take care of any diplomatic or political crisis before it boiled over into something that would require a military. And during this reformation, the Jedi ensured the reforming Republic didn't write any specific laws against the Sith because they believed the Sith were dead and didn't want anyone to find out about them and rebuilding a Sith organisation from artifacts and other lost knowledge. The underhanded strategy and the politics involved though, were something that very much goes against the Jedi Code (specifically, "There is no ignorance, there is Knowledge"), and eventually ended up biting the Jedi Order in the ass because it let the surviving Sith remain under the radar because the whole galaxy basically forgot about the Sith, and even the Jedi themselves were completely unprepared for the possibility of the return of the Sith when it actually happened.
I don’t think Ezra would honestly count as a Sith. By the time he met Maul, I don’t think Maul considered himself a Sith anymore or followed its doctrines. He was a dark side user,but not a Sith. Sort of like the witches of dathomir or knights of rin. Ezra would have been a student of that, if Maul even had a consideration of what he was anymore. Also the Rule of two seems like a failure, even during the era of of rule of rule there was still infighting and the Sith were always one catastrophic accident from going extinct. During the reconstituted Sith Empire they seemed far more resilient, despite infighting between all of the lords
Can you do a Legends version of this tree including a bit of Bane's real backstory? Such as how he was from Apatros, and his experiences in the Sith Academy on Korriban.
@@CompelledUsername And what's now canon has made Disney less money and caused more apathy towards star wars then anything George ever did. Do you need that hankie back??
This is why the sequels “somehow, Palpatine returned” plot is shit. They should have made it Darth Bane who returned, as it is HIS life essence all sith have absorbed
General grievous isn't sith i know but still he's underrated and i would love if you would at least mention him, like he was like Dokus version of Darth Vader :/
So if the Jedi thought that they have eradicated the SIth, but Darth Busan actually survived and instilled the rule of two, how does Master Yoda know about the rule of two (as he says in the Phantoms' Menace)?
Idk if Disney cannon has made the scene not made sense but in Legends and as common sense it's not that they knew about Rule of Two but knowing how well trained Maul was someone had to have trained him but he wasn't powerful enough to think he was the Master
Yoda already found out about Darth Bane. That's why we see him greet and state who he is when he visits Korriban. I'm assuming that some information gets leaked on the Dark Lord's after they die.
In the darth plageuis novel, if I remember correctly, it's mentioned that between bane and plageuis there was actually a sith that defected to the jedi and told them a bunch of shit, the sith managed to survive however as their apprentice carried on sithing.
My theory is that Lucas always intended the rule of two to have been a thing forever. The Rule of Two wasn’t a thing invented by Bane until the EU books. So using that logic Yoda would know that there were always only two Sith
@@shaydowsith348 starkiller is the Original Name thought for Luke and Anakin. So it would haben been anakin starkiller. The name wasn’t used but homage was payed to it when creating the actual starkiller and the starkiller base. This means that the base most likely wasn’t named after the character
After watching Tales of the Jedi I realise how Palpy constantly broke the Rule of Two. First. He was Plagueis' apprentice but at the same time too Maul AND Dooku as his apprentice. Then Maul returned and took Savage as his apprentice but Palpatine just tortured him rather than killing him as is the way of the Sith. Allowing Maul to keep popping up over and over. Dooku was also allowed to have his own apprentice who went rogue and also kept popping up. Then along comes Anakin, who Palpy then uses to train a small army of Inquisitors. The apprentice is supposed to use the master's knowledge to defeat them and thus get more and more powerful, Palpatine went through three apprentices (two of which while he was still an apprentice himself). Both these apprentices had an apprentice of their own and they all went rogue. Finally, Anakin trained multiple inquisitors at once.
Technically Palpatine taking on more than one apprentice doesn't break the Rule of Two. The apprentice has to be strong, smart or lucky enough to kill the master, the master isn't supposed to let them win. If the master kills the apprentice they're supposed to trained a new one. The problem with Palpatine is that he took on apprentices he never intended to have a chance of replacing him until Vader.
@@erg1947Technically, Sidious did break the rule of two. Granting maul the darth title while still being an apprentice himself goes against the rule of two since only the master has the authority to do so, which plagueis very mich did not agree to. Just like tenebrous training Darth venamis as a backup in case plagueis never challenged him.
I read Plagueis died right after Palpatine ascending. Or atleast, after he was chosen as chancellor. They then drank on it but Palpatine poisoned him with a paralysis poison, keeping him conscious and torturing him to death.
Darth Tenebrous Always reminds me of The Royal Tenenbaums, imagine Owen and Luke Wilson as stih lords, Darth Tenenbaums. Holy shit I just realized that Owen and Luke Wilson were probably named after Owen and Luke from starwars.
the most striking difference between Jedi and Sith is the nature of the relationship between the Master and apprentice. Jedi Masters usually sacrifice themselves for the sake of their Padawans. However, a Sith Lord wouldn't do that because if they need help, it only means they are too weak to be Sith, I guess. That's one of the most critical facets of the Dark Side...and both parties agreed upon this challenge while fighting side by side. Still, what Palpatine did to his master looks a bit of a low move, even in the Sith mindset.
Let's be real, whatever the hell those in the Sequels were, they sure as hell weren't Sith. There is much more to being a Sith than being an angsty wreck with anger issues.
I love how at some point there were technically five Sith during the clone wars series Like if you tried to make a relationship circle it’d be madness Sidious: good with only Dooku Dooku: good with only sudious after losing two acolytes Maul: only good with his brother Savage: only maul Ventress: fucking lonely and all her family gets massacred like holy shit she got thrown to the wolves of life six or seven times before she finally died
Ah yes if the Sith wouldn’t infight they could beat the Jedi plus the rule of two honestly doesn’t make sense to me if the Sith would only just work together not kill each other off when the master told their apprentice all his secrets that’s why the Sith yes are powerful but because of infighting and backstabbing will always unfortunately lose but such is the way of the Sith.
The Sith's flaws are a representation of the flawed nature of the dark side of the force. The Sith (pre- Darth Bane) tried to unite like the Jedi and become one. This doesn't work with the dark side because the dark side makes people using it to desire even more, not sharing it. Backstabbing, jealousy, infighting, ect is just a by product of Sith using the dark side in the wrong way. Darth Bane does a mass reset on the Sith Order and finds a way for the Sith to truly be powerful without the flaws of the previous generations. They wait in the shadows and change the galaxy slowly. The Rule of Two is almost perfect. They win because of hundreds of years of the Rule of Two Sith manipulating the galaxy over time to their whims and making the Jedi Order unbeknownst to them serve the Sith imperative.... all while in the shadows. It's brilliant!! This new Dyad changes the history of the Sith and the way the Force operates, especially with dark side.
Disney lore is so dumb. Why does it have so many of the rule of 2 Sith stepping out of the shadows and fighting Jedi, plundering 100s of world, ect? Weren’t they supposed to be hiding for a millennia before making their move? I feel like if you’re killing Jedi BattleMasters it’ll put a lot of attention back on the Sith. So dumb.
He also basically stopped the Jedi getting wipes out (atleast in his book) by the thoughtbomb. He was right in the sense that the rule of 2 essentially wiped the Jedi out and completely annihilated the Jedi order but the 20 year rule was pitiful.
actually, the disrespect for the rule of two started with Darth Tenebrous and his secret apprentice that he had behind Plagueis’ back, Darth Venamis. Unfortunately he’s only mentioned in the Plagueis audiobook as far as I know.
You should do one for legends there's several other banite sith Kylo is sad emo boy unworthy of the title of sith actually if a true sith would have encountered him he would have been tortured if only Sion was still around
I feel like Vader, and Kylo Ren in particular were extremely weak compared to the older sith. Like, Vader was supposed to be more powerful than Palpatine or Yoda, and yet was tossed around like a rag doll by Palpatine... Throwing Palpatine over the edge doesn't count seeing how Palpatine had contingency plans in place. Idk. I am really craving a real, new, powerful sith. The Skywalker line has been disappointed me as well as the Jedi. Would like something new from starwars
I'm very disappointed that Starkiller isn't canon so he isn't on this list. I'm also a bit disappointed that Jar Jar is canon but still isn't on the list 😆
And what about the sith lord from the vader comics " the dark side artist" who's helmet was taken from the jedi temple. Sidious stated it spoke to him. The comic also mentions this sith lords name. Un less this isn't considered within the Bain lineage
the apprentice of darth zannah was mentioned just before the dual of bane and zannah to be Be the apprentice of the next of the winner of the dual here is the article about it it This article is about the Iktotchi assassin-turned-Dark Lord of the Sith.You may be looking for the Huntress, an EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate. If you become my apprentice, who you were will cease to exist. You must be reborn in the ways of the dark side." "I'm ready, my lord." "Then choose a new name for yourself, as a symbol of your new and greater existence." "…Cognus. DARTH BANE AND THE HUNTRESS, UPON THE HOUR OF THE LATTER'S REBIRTH The Huntress was a female Iktotchi assassin who operated in the years following the end of the New Sith Wars. An impeccable record of success saw the Huntress employed by Lucia, a bodyguard working for the royal house of the planet Doan. After efficiently honoring her contract with Lucia, the Huntress was then hired by the bodyguard's charge, Princess Serra, to track down Darth Bane, the only surviving Dark Lord of the Sith of the war of twenty years prior. With a score of mercenaries allotted to her by Serra, the Huntress ambushed Bane and immobilized him with senflax poison, then took him into custody and delivered him to the Stone Prison on Doan. Despite the completion of her task, however, she delayed her departure from the penitentiary under the belief that her destiny was inextricably linked with that of Darth Bane. She made her way to the prison's hangar bay, where she encountered and dueled the Dark Jedi Set Harth, whom she eventually allowed to flee after the bout was conceded to stalemate. Darth Bane arrived shortly afterward, having escaped the torment he had been subjected to at Serra's hands. The Huntress yielded before him and appealed to learn the ways of the Sith from him, an offer which he accepted. Together they fled the Stone Prison's ensuing destruction and journeyed to the planet Ambria, where the Huntress took on a new name. At Bane's prompting, she cast off the yoke of her former life and became Darth Cognus, so named for her instinctive ability to perceive and influence the future. Before she could formally begin her training, however, Bane's current apprentice, Darth Zannah, arrived to do battle with him for rights to the title of Sith Master. Cognus realized that the two were evenly matched, and did not involve herself but instead pledged to serve the winner of the duel. Zannah emerged victorious, and Darth Cognus' life was then consecrated to the Order of Sith Lords. Cognus ascended to Sith Mastery years later, taking the three-eyed Human mutant Darth Millennial as her apprentice. She was ultimately forced to disavow him for blasphemy against Darth Bane's Rule of Two. ADVERTISEMENT Biography
If darth banes plan was followed to the letter, wouldn't that make the sith end with darth noktus? Me thinks that somebody around that time was either breaking rules or snooping where they shouldn't be.
Bane isn’t from Moraband. He’s from a shithole mining moon/planet on the outer rim. He eventually joined the Sith Army and was outed as a force sensitive while leading a squad/platoon. Darth Zannah was also a padawan and on Ruusan when the battle took place. She was orphaned there when her drop ship was damaged and she separated from her master.
There was some characters from legends in the beginning of the tree so if i was in your place I would’ve put starkiller instead of the inquisitor order
Wait a minute, we do know who Zannah’s apprentice was - Darth Cognus. She was a major secondary character in Dynasty of Evil. Yeah we basically know nothing about her, but we know Zannah took her on.
When you read the Darth bane books at the end of the second one when he's doing his apprentice it doesn't come off like he dies or gets defeated it comes off as if he transfers he does the essence transfer cuz he's hurt and then all of a sudden he saying definitely didn't seem like he was taken out it quite a bit of doubt he was so powerful and he perfected how to do it and well
He does. Zannah at the end of the book proclaims that Bane is dead and she is all that remains. But it was hinted that a portion of his spirit did manage to leave a shadow on her, as she suddenly became inflicted with the same uncontrollable left hand twitch that bane had after he came out of the Orbalisk Armor. I have a Playlist with the Audiobooks on them for work, it's my favorite set to listen to lol
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What about starkiller?
There is no Canon, there is only Legend!
Canon leads to heresy.
Heresy turns everything into Disney.
When does Snoke say he has had a more powerful apprentice before Kylo Ren?
Sad Revan noises...
@@zachattackchannel he's not sure he's cannon
The Sith rule of two, was at best, only a partial success. Yes, they broke the Jedi order but after 1000 years in hiding meticulously building their power base, which culminated in a new Sith Galactic Empire, it fell apart after 20 years. Ultimately the Sith rule of two can only be considered a disappointment
It was only 1000 years and i would have succeded if palpatine was a bit smarter
@@doriantheobald6196 Cheers mate, I’ve corrected it… 🙌
Yup, the galactic empire was doomed from the start. You need more sith to keep power over such a vast enpire than just two sith.
It's why I love the old republic era. You have so many jedi and sith, leading to good sith and evil jedi. It's a well of potential for numerous stories
The rule of two was successful but only up until palpatine decided to change it into the rule of one.
Ironic isn’t it how greed and selfishness was the source of their power yet also the reason for their weakness.
Imagine you have most badass sith name in the history of galaxy: Darth Tyrannus .... and everyone calls you Dooku, or even worse just "count" 🤣🤣🤣
The Separatist called him Count and the Jedi called him Dooku. Only Sidious would call him Tyrannus lmao
Count Dooku’s a man of Royalty on his homeworld of Serenno. He chose to maintain his title out of honor for his lineage and purposely addressed himself as “Count”. So everyone did as well. When he became a Jedi however, he’d be addressed as Master Dooku. After that, back to just “Count”.
He wanted to say hidden that’s why. They didn’t know he was a sith for a long time
@@fellino8049 The Pyke also call him Tyrannus. That's how Anakin and Obi wan knew that Tyrannus = Dooku
@@Palace_till_I_die Do you know in which series that happens?
Fun fact: Tenebrous is Latin for “dark” or “darkness”.
Darth tenebrous
Dark darkness
And Darth Vader translates to Dark Father.
@@Comrade_Cookies as opposed to the light darkness, of course
@@redleg1971 that's a myth. It's just a coincidence. Yes, Vader is close to Dutch/German word for father but dark in German is dunkel and Dutch is donker. George didn't decide to make Vader into Luke's father until years after Vader got his name.
No its not, its another english word for dark, tenebrosus is the latin word for dark
could we see a family tree of Non Banite Sith , as I wonder where Lana Beniko, Darth Nox and Marr fall
Yes, I will cover the non-Banite sith soon, they have some very interesting history too :)
Finally someone who shows respect to Darth Nox!
You summoned me. I came!
"I came!" - Darth Nox
@@TehSymbiote ''Have you come?'' - Darth Vader
Ventress and Voss is my favorite story of these, such a sad ending. Hit me right in the feels. I need to get that book asap, still have yet to give it a full read. I really wish they would have made the rest of clone wars season 7 and season 8. Ventress and Voss were two of my favorite characters. I really love that episode were Voss and Kenobi are hunting Ziro The Hunt. Voss jumps out of the gunship in front of obiwan and hits him with the "that's just like, your opinion Man." quote from The Big Labowski. ❤️🖤💚
Dark Disciple is one of the best books in the new canon, easy read but still great
Dark Disciple is great. Bought it one afternoon, finished in one sitting around midnight or 3 AM and I balled my eyes out like a baby. Got me all up in my feels.
Ziro The HUTT!
Ventress was a bad bitch, Kenobi should have dicked her down. They had great chemistry
According to the new Obi-Wan series. Quinlan Voss is still alive at that point.
0:17 Darth Bane: "For five minutes. Could you Sith stop bickering with each other... *FOR FIVE MINUTES!?"*
In a weird way one could argue Maul is Rey's uncle. Palpatine isn't his father, but he did raise him since a very young child and groom his as his apprentice. A lot of Maul's fear of him is that of an abused child
Your right.
Bro at the end of rise of skywalker imagine she said she was actually related to Darth maul that would explain the double bladed lightsaber
@@DJFNaFMan I'm Rey... Rey Oppress
@@coconoisette and then after she kills palpatine he just does the Disney move and guts her
Darth Bane used a Force power called the Thought Bomb to destroy the other Sith (Lord Kaan and the Brotherhood of Darkness) in the Battle of Ruusan. R.I.P. Githany
Essentially robbing them of their victory. Bane pretty much saved the Jedi by doing that.
@@mattj1829 Well, the whole Jedi/Sith thing IS one big chess game. One can't be active without the other.😉
Actually, Darth Bane tricked Lord Kaan into destroying himself along with the whole Sith Order
@@ThePharaqh
True, but Darth Bane saw the major flaw in the Sith Order in their incessant infighting. It was teetering on the brink. They couldn’t keep fighting themselves and the Jedi on 2 fronts. He “downsized” the Sith to try to correct that error. That’s the main reason why he did it in addition being a major power grab for himself.
@@Daron7181 yeah, we’ve read the same book!
Dooku lines had a lot of potential were he to have actually managed to ditch Sidious at some point. He was very much a reformer (in this as in his politics) and seemed interested in the idea of recruiting multiple acolytes and creating what would've essentially been a replacement order for the both the Jedi and the Sith, devoid of many of the flaws of each (less insufferable Jedi rules and restrictions but without the rule of two or rage-junkie habits of the Sith)
Yeah, but tbf that would most likely dwelve into Grey Jedi territory and we all know that neutral force users are bound to fail. See Luke's Jedi Order, Ahsoka, and literally any other "grey" jedi or force user we've ever seen.
They should do a contest asking fans to develop a sith lord in the line of bane, as well as do a backstory, etc, and choose 50 winners and make these Sith canon. You can do the same with ancient Jedi. That way the fans can actually be a part of the fandom.
Anyone can do that. You just need to stay true to cannon to get it approved and published.
Yes, I believe many fans would be up to the challenge.
Wow, a Bith was a Sith
So darth sanguis is gollum? Immortal but a creepy thing
Sanguis was killed and Noctyss became the creepy creature !
@@StarForceOne Oh so sanguis was deagol and then noctyss got the power and became gollum. That's better
@@athanatos2278 *smeagol
Ezra was not a true apprentice.
Maul may have seen Ezra as an potential apprentice, but Ezra didn't fall far enough to him to count other than learning the trick to opening a Sith holocron.
0:12 Darth Bane: "This isn't working. I know! I will create the Rule of Two! Brilliant!"
The infighting of the Sith is how they survived, this remained true even with the rule of two with Apprentices often murdering their masters to succeed them
Glad to see someone finally cover the in depth canon, thanks for the well made and informative video!
Glad it was helpful!
@@StarForceOne what about nihiulus
I love this! The Disney canon Sith lore is always overshadowed by legends lore tbh. Also what I never understood is how the galactic republic allowed the sith to exist🤣😭. They never seem to be up to any good so it's strange to me how it would exist for so long in a galaxy of "law and justice"
The galaxy is a big place
2:13
Dyad is new canon I thought.
This is all Disney Canon. The whole video is Disney approved shit.
The Galactic Republic simply didn't know they still existed after the battle of Ruusan. The Jedi spearheaded the Ruusan Reformation, which was not only a reform of the Jedi Order, but of the Republic as well. The Republic effectively outlawed the existence of military forces, leaving only planetary police forces, a republic police fleet for dealing with isolated smugglers and pirates, and the Jedi as peacekeepers whose job it was to take care of any diplomatic or political crisis before it boiled over into something that would require a military.
And during this reformation, the Jedi ensured the reforming Republic didn't write any specific laws against the Sith because they believed the Sith were dead and didn't want anyone to find out about them and rebuilding a Sith organisation from artifacts and other lost knowledge. The underhanded strategy and the politics involved though, were something that very much goes against the Jedi Code (specifically, "There is no ignorance, there is Knowledge"), and eventually ended up biting the Jedi Order in the ass because it let the surviving Sith remain under the radar because the whole galaxy basically forgot about the Sith, and even the Jedi themselves were completely unprepared for the possibility of the return of the Sith when it actually happened.
I don’t think Ezra would honestly count as a Sith. By the time he met Maul, I don’t think Maul considered himself a Sith anymore or followed its doctrines. He was a dark side user,but not a Sith. Sort of like the witches of dathomir or knights of rin. Ezra would have been a student of that, if Maul even had a consideration of what he was anymore.
Also the Rule of two seems like a failure, even during the era of of rule of rule there was still infighting and the Sith were always one catastrophic accident from going extinct. During the reconstituted Sith Empire they seemed far more resilient, despite infighting between all of the lords
The Snoke section was basically just a meme and I respect that completely.
Love your videos so much let's hope we see more sith Lords in the future of star wars
Agreed
Maybe actual Sith Lords
Can you do a Legends version of this tree including a bit of Bane's real backstory? Such as how he was from Apatros, and his experiences in the Sith Academy on Korriban.
Not a real backstory tho, it’s Star Wars
Canon is what’s real. Cry into a hankie.
@@jamie2866 We all know this ... what is real inside the SW universe is what is real.
@@CompelledUsername none of this shit is real, grow up
@@CompelledUsername And what's now canon has made Disney less money and caused more apathy towards star wars then anything George ever did. Do you need that hankie back??
0:01 Jedi Lords vs Sith Lords in ancient past
This is why the sequels “somehow, Palpatine returned” plot is shit. They should have made it Darth Bane who returned, as it is HIS life essence all sith have absorbed
Ooo! That would have been cool!
“Bodied by Ashoka canan and ezra” cracked me up
General grievous isn't sith i know but still he's underrated and i would love if you would at least mention him, like he was like Dokus version of Darth Vader :/
Still not a fan of the Whole Exogol thing.
Legends is so much better
So are all legend videos.
Can someone tell me what is legends??
@@space_monkey5662things that arnt Canon I think
So if the Jedi thought that they have eradicated the SIth, but Darth Busan actually survived and instilled the rule of two, how does Master Yoda know about the rule of two (as he says in the Phantoms' Menace)?
Idk if Disney cannon has made the scene not made sense but in Legends and as common sense it's not that they knew about Rule of Two but knowing how well trained Maul was someone had to have trained him but he wasn't powerful enough to think he was the Master
I could swear I remember reading somewhere that Yoda had read about some sith text that mentioned the rule of two but assumed they died out.
Yoda already found out about Darth Bane. That's why we see him greet and state who he is when he visits Korriban. I'm assuming that some information gets leaked on the Dark Lord's after they die.
In the darth plageuis novel, if I remember correctly, it's mentioned that between bane and plageuis there was actually a sith that defected to the jedi and told them a bunch of shit, the sith managed to survive however as their apprentice carried on sithing.
My theory is that Lucas always intended the rule of two to have been a thing forever. The Rule of Two wasn’t a thing invented by Bane until the EU books. So using that logic Yoda would know that there were always only two Sith
You forget the one other person that is part of Darth Vader’s Sith family tree: his secret apprentice Starkiller.
Starkiller isn’t canon
@@StarForceOne He is canon and created by George Lucas himself before he decided to sell out his franchise to Disney.
@@shaydowsith348 doesn’t make it canon, they just plucked out the name
@@shaydowsith348 starkiller is the Original Name thought for Luke and Anakin. So it would haben been anakin starkiller. The name wasn’t used but homage was payed to it when creating the actual starkiller and the starkiller base. This means that the base most likely wasn’t named after the character
@@ibrahimyilmaz4861 finally a real fan
After watching Tales of the Jedi I realise how Palpy constantly broke the Rule of Two.
First. He was Plagueis' apprentice but at the same time too Maul AND Dooku as his apprentice.
Then Maul returned and took Savage as his apprentice but Palpatine just tortured him rather than killing him as is the way of the Sith. Allowing Maul to keep popping up over and over. Dooku was also allowed to have his own apprentice who went rogue and also kept popping up.
Then along comes Anakin, who Palpy then uses to train a small army of Inquisitors.
The apprentice is supposed to use the master's knowledge to defeat them and thus get more and more powerful, Palpatine went through three apprentices (two of which while he was still an apprentice himself). Both these apprentices had an apprentice of their own and they all went rogue. Finally, Anakin trained multiple inquisitors at once.
Technically Palpatine taking on more than one apprentice doesn't break the Rule of Two. The apprentice has to be strong, smart or lucky enough to kill the master, the master isn't supposed to let them win. If the master kills the apprentice they're supposed to trained a new one. The problem with Palpatine is that he took on apprentices he never intended to have a chance of replacing him until Vader.
@@erg1947Technically, Sidious did break the rule of two. Granting maul the darth title while still being an apprentice himself goes against the rule of two since only the master has the authority to do so, which plagueis very mich did not agree to. Just like tenebrous training Darth venamis as a backup in case plagueis never challenged him.
You left Qira off of the Mail line. She was his apprentice for a while
True, I was debating whether or not she deserved to be on the list since she kinda just stole the knowledge from Maul haha
u kinda gotta be force sensitive to be sith lol
Qira was never a Sith, and by the time she became Maul's servant, Maul had renounced the Sith and stopped using the title Darth.
@@afuckingblackhawkhelicopte5203 tbf in the comics she did learn the ways of the Sith, despite not using the force (yet)
@@StarForceOne well glad to know she was considered!
Also u forgot Darth Krall although we don't know much about him other than what he looks like
I believe Krall is pre darth bane, but he is very cool!
Love your content and keep up the good videos 👍🏻
Why wasn't Darth Cognus included? She became Zannahs apprentice in the final book of Darth Bane.
Not canon
@@user-is6do7pi4i Darth Bane is canon tho
Darth Sanguis is definitely based off of Gollum.
I read Plagueis died right after Palpatine ascending. Or atleast, after he was chosen as chancellor. They then drank on it but Palpatine poisoned him with a paralysis poison, keeping him conscious and torturing him to death.
Plagues is my favourite book but sadly not canon anymore
Darth Tenebrous Always reminds me of The Royal Tenenbaums, imagine Owen and Luke Wilson as stih lords, Darth Tenenbaums. Holy shit I just realized that Owen and Luke Wilson were probably named after Owen and Luke from starwars.
Darth Zannah’s apprentice was Darth Cognus.
Love to see more games, comics and shows off the Sith we need more content on them rather than the Jedi
Good thing we’re getting acolyte
Darth Sanguin, Noctyss, Caldoth and Kristov were not even part of the Banite line lmao
This was so detailed thank you for this it definitely expanded my knowledge
"Snoke" mentioning a previous apprentice was likely Palps talking about Vader.
I call kylo ren a failure
You forgot Darth Jar Jar
To be frank Savage was trained by Maul first before Ezra
This video is full of incorrect information.
@@NinjaSushi2 it looks pretty correct to me, what's incorrect about it?
the most striking difference between Jedi and Sith is the nature of the relationship between the Master and apprentice. Jedi Masters usually sacrifice themselves for the sake of their Padawans. However, a Sith Lord wouldn't do that because if they need help, it only means they are too weak to be Sith, I guess. That's one of the most critical facets of the Dark Side...and both parties agreed upon this challenge while fighting side by side. Still, what Palpatine did to his master looks a bit of a low move, even in the Sith mindset.
Let's be real, whatever the hell those in the Sequels were, they sure as hell weren't Sith. There is much more to being a Sith than being an angsty wreck with anger issues.
I am disappointed you did not add Galen Marek on this list, for shame. XD
He’s great but sadly not canon
@@StarForceOne I know, it's a sad day for the Republic...
I just want to say, you have the potential to be the next Star Wars theory
Everything he mentioned was Disney Canon. Yuck.
And 7:45 is Naga Sadow.
@@NinjaSushi2 yeah it was Disney canon, even if you don't like it, it's still currently canon, and it's a video about canon.
And now weve heard the tragedy of darth plagius the wise
Out of curiosity, is there a legends Sith tree? I would love to see it.
I love how at some point there were technically five Sith during the clone wars series
Like if you tried to make a relationship circle it’d be madness
Sidious: good with only Dooku
Dooku: good with only sudious after losing two acolytes
Maul: only good with his brother
Savage: only maul
Ventress: fucking lonely and all her family gets massacred like holy shit she got thrown to the wolves of life six or seven times before she finally died
Do legends
Darth Cognus after Zannah
Sadly he's doing Disney Canon but didn't warn us.
@@NinjaSushi2 he literally says in the first 30 secs it's canon only
Ah yes if the Sith wouldn’t infight they could beat the Jedi plus the rule of two honestly doesn’t make sense to me if the Sith would only just work together not kill each other off when the master told their apprentice all his secrets that’s why the Sith yes are powerful but because of infighting and backstabbing will always unfortunately lose but such is the way of the Sith.
The Sith's flaws are a representation of the flawed nature of the dark side of the force. The Sith (pre- Darth Bane) tried to unite like the Jedi and become one. This doesn't work with the dark side because the dark side makes people using it to desire even more, not sharing it. Backstabbing, jealousy, infighting, ect is just a by product of Sith using the dark side in the wrong way. Darth Bane does a mass reset on the Sith Order and finds a way for the Sith to truly be powerful without the flaws of the previous generations. They wait in the shadows and change the galaxy slowly. The Rule of Two is almost perfect. They win because of hundreds of years of the Rule of Two Sith manipulating the galaxy over time to their whims and making the Jedi Order unbeknownst to them serve the Sith imperative.... all while in the shadows. It's brilliant!! This new Dyad changes the history of the Sith and the way the Force operates, especially with dark side.
If you want a real challenge do the family tree of the lost tribe of the sith.
Disney lore is so dumb. Why does it have so many of the rule of 2 Sith stepping out of the shadows and fighting Jedi, plundering 100s of world, ect? Weren’t they supposed to be hiding for a millennia before making their move? I feel like if you’re killing Jedi BattleMasters it’ll put a lot of attention back on the Sith. So dumb.
Darth Bane is wrong about rule of two btw.
Sith Empire lasted longer than Palatine's empire.
He also basically stopped the Jedi getting wipes out (atleast in his book) by the thoughtbomb.
He was right in the sense that the rule of 2 essentially wiped the Jedi out and completely annihilated the Jedi order but the 20 year rule was pitiful.
actually, the disrespect for the rule of two started with Darth Tenebrous and his secret apprentice that he had behind Plagueis’ back, Darth Venamis. Unfortunately he’s only mentioned in the Plagueis audiobook as far as I know.
Man I think Legends Banite was pretty solid. Dunno why Cognus had to be cut out or not incorporated.
Pre-ancient Sith (20): King Adas, Doruk the Uncaged, Alarii Sister of Sorrow, Cyrisop the Exiled, Jael them Silencer, Jekhop the Bowed Lord, Fahren Jaj the Laughing Lord, Keryha Sister of Sorrow, Serrod the Messenger, Kahesh the Reborn, Wei'val the Elder, y the Bowed Lord, Yshaar Kael the Betrayer of Adas aka the Bowed Lord, Kyrrah Jewel of Xo, Za'heen Kaur the Bowed Lord, Luthro the Kinslayer,
Wyrmuk the Undiyng, Dathka Graush, Hakagram Graush,
Ancient Sith (24): Ajunta Pall, Sorzus Syn, Karness Muur, Remulus Dreypa, XoXaan, Tulak Hord, Alosiyuos Kallig, Ortan Cela, Darth Andeddu, Lord Ergast, Terrak Morrhage, Ieldis, Simus, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Lord Dramath, Vitiate, Shar Dakhan, Horak-Mul, Saes Rrogon, Elcho Kressh,
Resurgent Sith (101), Darth Zavakon, Darth Arctis, Darth Thanaton, Darth Nox, Darth Acharon, Darth Marr, Darth Ravage, Darth Jadus, Darth Zhorrid, Darth Mortis, Darth Vengean, Darth Baras, Darth Arho, Darth Arkous, Darth Azamin, Darth Decimus, Darth Ekkage, Darth Rictus, Darth Vowrawn, Darth Aruk, Darth Mekhis, Darth Hadra, Darth Karrid, Darth Acina, Darth Gorgos, Darth Howl, Darth Igrol, Darth Lokess, Darth Nyriss, Darth Qalar, Darth Sajar, Darth Soverus, Darth Victun, Darth Xedrix, Darth Iratus, Darth Malgus, Darth Scabrous, Darth Vilus, Darth Kallous, Darth Enraj, Darth Zash, Darth Lachris, Darth Atroxa, Darth Drear, Darth Vich, Darth Charnus, Darth Chratis, Darth Minax, Darth Skotia, Darth Silthar, Lord Praven, Lord Vindican, Lord Nefarid, Lord Tarnis, Lord Sadic, Lord Scourge, Lord Rathari, Lord Vacuus, Lord Ovakar, Lord Ganarog, Lord Korst, Lord Melicoste, Lord Draahg, Lord Qet, Lord Paladius, Lord Skar, Lord Khreusis, Lord Cineratus, Lord Vivicar, Lord Calypho, Lord Cendence, Lord Adraas, Lord Abaron, Lord Ondorru,Lord Sharoleigh, Lord Vago, Lord Ryvus, Lord Anathemos, Lord Malichose, Lord Varos,Lord Vadus, Lord Ranath, Lord Avorr, Lord Fulminiss, Lord Kherus, Lord Grathan, Lord Chagras, Lord Cytharat, Lord Tagriss, Overseer Tremel, Overseer Harkun, Overseer Cestus, Overseer Markan, Inquisitor Samus, Inquisitor Ferav, Exal Kressh, Spindrall, Lana Beniko,
Old Sith (22) Freedon Nadd, Queen Amanoa, King Ommin, Satal Keto, Aleema Keto, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon, Darth Glovoc, Jorak Uln, Uthar Wynn, Yuthura Ban, Darth Traya, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, Darth Phobos, Darth Desolous, Darth Glovoc, Darth Guile, Darth Karnage,
New Sith(23)
Darth Ruin, Dark Underlord, Darth Rivan, Belia Darzu, Lord Vilia, Lord Chagras, Lord Xelian, Lord Daiman, Lord Arkadia, Lord Ayanos, Lord Odion, Lord Dromika, Lord Quillan, Lord Saaj, Lord Malakite, Lord Lioko, Lord Trevayne, Lord Kaan, Lord Kopecz, Lord Qordis, Lord Kas'im, Lord Githany, Lord Sirak,
Lost Tribe of the Sith (14)
Yaru Korsin, Seelah Korsin, Nida Korsin, Lillia Venn, Orielle Kitai, Varner Hilts, Edell Vrai, Takara Hilts, Parlan Spinner, Darish Vol, Olaris Rhea, Sarasu Taalon, Vestara Khai, Gavar Khai,
Order of the Sith Lords (17 listed; 16 unknown) Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, darth sanguis, darth noctyss, darth caldoth, darth nymbis, Darth Cognus, Darth Vectivus, Darth Gravid, Darth Gean, Darth Ramage, Darth Tenebrous, Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious, Darth Venamis, Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, Darth Vader, Prophets of the Dark Side (8)
Darth Millenial, Kadann, Jedgar, Merili, Cronal, Sariss, Maarek Stele, Azrakel,
Dark acolyte (6) quinlin Voss, Asajj ventress, Sora bolq, kadrain sey, Karoc, saato
Lumiya's Sith (5)
Lady Lumiya, Flint, Carnor Jax, Vergere, Darth Caedus,
One Sith (16)
Darth Krayt, Darth Wyyrlok I, Darth Wyyrlok II, Darth Wyyrlok III, Darth Nihl, Darth Ruyn, Darth Talon, Darth Stryfe, Darth Maladi, Darth Maleval, Darth Kruhl, Darth Azard, Darth Reave, Vul Isen, Darth Rauder, Darth Havok, Darth Wredd
Idk if I’m just a little special but I saw pictures of Revan in the video but didn’t hear him mentioned
He lived way before the rule of two
You should do one for legends there's several other banite sith
Kylo is sad emo boy unworthy of the title of sith actually if a true sith would have encountered him he would have been tortured if only Sion was still around
Good video :)
I feel like Vader, and Kylo Ren in particular were extremely weak compared to the older sith. Like, Vader was supposed to be more powerful than Palpatine or Yoda, and yet was tossed around like a rag doll by Palpatine... Throwing Palpatine over the edge doesn't count seeing how Palpatine had contingency plans in place. Idk. I am really craving a real, new, powerful sith. The Skywalker line has been disappointed me as well as the Jedi. Would like something new from starwars
Vader wasn’t actually that weak, it’s just because of his suit and how weak it made him to lightning, which was palpatines main force ability
Legends lore is better than disney fake lore
Somehow that makes you a bigot and some type of phobic. Not sure on the details but I'm sure Disney and Twitter will figure something out
@@Imperatorius45 Low IQ moment?
Agreed.
This in line in your bio of Dooku: "Used his Master's secrets to evade death." Dooku survived the beheading? Something you know that we don't?
I'm very disappointed that Starkiller isn't canon so he isn't on this list. I'm also a bit disappointed that Jar Jar is canon but still isn't on the list 😆
And what about the sith lord from the vader comics " the dark side artist" who's helmet was taken from the jedi temple. Sidious stated it spoke to him. The comic also mentions this sith lords name. Un less this isn't considered within the Bain lineage
Darth Momin? He was before the Rule of Two.
so the terms Acolyte and Vergence existed before. Good to know
14:51 they got bodied by mainly Ahsoka lmao
Tenebrous has possibly more apprentices. In the Plagueis book one finds plageuis and plagueis takes him and does studies on him for years
Yeah that's Venamis, really cool and I love that book! Sadly it isn't canon
the apprentice of darth zannah was mentioned just before the dual of bane and zannah to be Be the apprentice of the next of the winner of the dual here is the article about it it
This article is about the Iktotchi assassin-turned-Dark Lord of the Sith.You may be looking for the Huntress, an EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate.
If you become my apprentice, who you were will cease to exist. You must be reborn in the ways of the dark side."
"I'm ready, my lord."
"Then choose a new name for yourself, as a symbol of your new and greater existence."
"…Cognus.
DARTH BANE AND THE HUNTRESS, UPON THE HOUR OF THE LATTER'S REBIRTH
The Huntress was a female Iktotchi assassin who operated in the years following the end of the New Sith Wars. An impeccable record of success saw the Huntress employed by Lucia, a bodyguard working for the royal house of the planet Doan. After efficiently honoring her contract with Lucia, the Huntress was then hired by the bodyguard's charge, Princess Serra, to track down Darth Bane, the only surviving Dark Lord of the Sith of the war of twenty years prior.
With a score of mercenaries allotted to her by Serra, the Huntress ambushed Bane and immobilized him with senflax poison, then took him into custody and delivered him to the Stone Prison on Doan. Despite the completion of her task, however, she delayed her departure from the penitentiary under the belief that her destiny was inextricably linked with that of Darth Bane. She made her way to the prison's hangar bay, where she encountered and dueled the Dark Jedi Set Harth, whom she eventually allowed to flee after the bout was conceded to stalemate. Darth Bane arrived shortly afterward, having escaped the torment he had been subjected to at Serra's hands. The Huntress yielded before him and appealed to learn the ways of the Sith from him, an offer which he accepted.
Together they fled the Stone Prison's ensuing destruction and journeyed to the planet Ambria, where the Huntress took on a new name. At Bane's prompting, she cast off the yoke of her former life and became Darth Cognus, so named for her instinctive ability to perceive and influence the future. Before she could formally begin her training, however, Bane's current apprentice, Darth Zannah, arrived to do battle with him for rights to the title of Sith Master. Cognus realized that the two were evenly matched, and did not involve herself but instead pledged to serve the winner of the duel. Zannah emerged victorious, and Darth Cognus' life was then consecrated to the Order of Sith Lords. Cognus ascended to Sith Mastery years later, taking the three-eyed Human mutant Darth Millennial as her apprentice. She was ultimately forced to disavow him for blasphemy against Darth Bane's Rule of Two.
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Where the fuck is darth cognus ? Zannahs apprentice!
If darth banes plan was followed to the letter, wouldn't that make the sith end with darth noktus? Me thinks that somebody around that time was either breaking rules or snooping where they shouldn't be.
I thought Snoke was just a botched clone with Palatine's consciousness. Of course, I've long since given up with that dumpster fire.
So Awesome 💙⚔️❤️
The Sith stories are intense. Way more interesting than Jedi Stories. Great Video. Brings a tear to my eye.
Not more interesting
Pretty sure Amber hurd is darth zarannhs other half, I'm mean come on!!!
Even sidious quakes at her bullshit.
Darth Cognus was Zannah's Apprentice and Darth millennial Was Cognus's first then left the order to for the Prophets of the Dark Side
Remember this is canon not legends
Bane isn’t from Moraband. He’s from a shithole mining moon/planet on the outer rim. He eventually joined the Sith Army and was outed as a force sensitive while leading a squad/platoon. Darth Zannah was also a padawan and on Ruusan when the battle took place. She was orphaned there when her drop ship was damaged and she separated from her master.
Zannah's apprentice is Darth Cognus
Thanks
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed the video :)
There was some characters from legends in the beginning of the tree so if i was in your place I would’ve put starkiller instead of the inquisitor order
They’re only on there because they are now canon, starkiller is not
@@StarForceOne Disney Canon is not real Canon
@@NinjaSushi2 it's literally just the current canon we have, even if you don't like it, objectively it's canon
Where in canon does it state Plagueis is still alive in Phantom Menace?
Secrets of the dark side book
14:08: Hats off to the artist of this picture! Awesome!🙆♂️👍✨️
Wait a minute, we do know who Zannah’s apprentice was - Darth Cognus. She was a major secondary character in Dynasty of Evil. Yeah we basically know nothing about her, but we know Zannah took her on.
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Thanks for the Sith family tree. Awesome video man. Any chance of doing more Ledgends/EU content?
Glad you enjoyed! Yeah in defs going to do a legends version in the future, it just takes ages because there are so many more 😂
@@StarForceOne awesome man can't wait! May the Force be with you my friend!
@@rustyshackleford9811 may the force be with you!!
@@StarForceOne yo is revan cannon?
Wheres-a Darth Binks fit in?🤪
So if Kylo was Sith would the Knights of Wren be considered Sith?
Adopted sith
you are missing jar jar
Darth Maul is the best
You forgot the original Ren
So we just forget about Dartg Vitiate? Alright. I see... I'll only cry a little bit. Not a lot....
We need a legends version!
When you read the Darth bane books at the end of the second one when he's doing his apprentice it doesn't come off like he dies or gets defeated it comes off as if he transfers he does the essence transfer cuz he's hurt and then all of a sudden he saying definitely didn't seem like he was taken out it quite a bit of doubt he was so powerful and he perfected how to do it and well
He does. Zannah at the end of the book proclaims that Bane is dead and she is all that remains. But it was hinted that a portion of his spirit did manage to leave a shadow on her, as she suddenly became inflicted with the same uncontrollable left hand twitch that bane had after he came out of the Orbalisk Armor. I have a Playlist with the Audiobooks on them for work, it's my favorite set to listen to lol
Were the frick is revan
Please do legends sith