2016 vs 2017 Ford F-150 10-Speed 0-60 MPH Mashup Towing Review: How Fast is the Gen2 3.5L EcoBoost?
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) How fast & efficient is the 2017 Ford F-150 with the Gen2 3.5L EcoBoost V6 and the new 10-speed automatic transmission? We take it on the streets and Ford's Michigan Proving Grounds to find out.
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drag racing with trailer - now thats how you test a truck. hell yeah
When you ask someone a question, listen for their answer. You asked that guy and lady a question, then interrupted them before they could even answer you completely.
So awkward to watch!
Noticed that too.
He must be an idiot !!!
Thanks guys - appreciate you trying an unofficial MPG review of this truck. Your enthusiasm trying to pry the EPA mileage from Ford is appreciated. Please post the EPA mileage as soon as you can. I'm debating whether to wait for the 2017 over the 2016.
You guys are great, keep it up! I can't wait to see the 2017 F150 take on the Ike Gauntlet!
Except for the 6 speed is tried and true, easier to work on, and more parts readily available if needed. 10 speed is great but needs more time
seeing that almost idle at 60mph is crazy...i was all set at getting the new titan...not so sure now
Weekend Warrior What’d you end up going with?
Anyone still driving the 2017 F150 3.5 ecoboost?
@@nextlevelbjj3083 I’m driving the 18 drives like a new truck
good review fellas on the new 2nd Gen 3.5 ecoboost 10 speed F150. I wanted to hold on before recently purchasing my RAM 1500 ecodiesel, but based on your mix loop Test, this new setup averages maybe between 20-24 mpg at the most, not the gains I was expecting, specially since at the 10th gear, the rev is insanely low. on my ecodiesel I average 21 in town, and if I cruise below 65mph, a crazy real world number of 29 to 33!
will you guys always keep me up to date on the latest truck news and stuff.
Good morning guys great content when are y'all goin to get hands on a new raptor ?
Probably not until November at the earliest
+The Fast Lane Truck cool can't wait
+The Fast Lane Truck what about the super duty. I'm planning on either buying an f150 or f250. So hopefully you get your hands on the 250 fast.
Hahaha i been waiting
did you guys try and figure out the mpg
OMG..go ford with the 10 speed!
+K.C.'s RC Ford did team up with Chevy..that's why the tran. Is gonna Break so easy. Haha
+K.C.'s RC they both collaborated to make the transmission which is awesome.
is there any transmission out yet with 9+ gears that doesn't break all the time or have constant problems? ZF 9 speed comes to mind and I have a good feeling this one will be similar. I believe they put smaller clutches in these high gear autos so they can fit them under cars. Meaning everything is fragile as hell. I think 8 gears is perfect, but the EPA doesnt think so.
They're ruining cars
K.C.'s RC
Better then self driving
Love your channel! keep up the good work
Andre's English is getting terrific. Well done, sir.
2:31 most condescending sign ever.
😂
I drive a 1999 Superduty 7.3 and believe it may be the best truck ever built. I am obviously a Ford diehard...but how does Ford Motor Company expect a blue collar worker raising a family to afford a new F-150? Please Ford....can you explain that to me?
Lmao the still sells like 800000 f series trucks a year
And the new Ford F350's can reach the 80k mark damn near :(.
You buy it used. You amortize it and your business owns it. You don't get leather. You, sadly, finance it.
Most blue collar guys I know make just as much, if not more than their white collar counterparts. They tend to have more "toys" (ATVs, bikes, etc.) and use a loaded F-250/350 diesel as their daily driver. With the truck that the current F-250/350 replaced (usually 7 or 8 years old) being demoted to farm/work truck status. Plumbers, contractors, electricians, mechanics, etc. all make very good money. I'm in I.T. myself and make enough to comfortably buy a 2016 Mustang GT (back in 2016), and complimented that with a new 2019 F-150 (4WD, 3.5L EB, XLT) at the end of the 2019 model year, paid for both in cash. Of course, I'm not married, have no kids, and my house is paid off as well. If I had a family to provide for, things would be different.
You can still get a brand new F-150 4WD For $35k in 2021. If you need a larger cab or an upgraded engine price will go up accordingly. If you need leather and other more elegant creature comforts it will go up more. But under $40k for a brand new 4WD truck in this day and market environment is fairly reasonable.
i like how the intake for the air is up top where you can see it.
I'd love to see a review where Roman, Nathan and Andre each give their thoughts between the 3.5 Ecoboost and the 5.0, giving the pros and cons of each. I'm a die hard V8 guy, but must admit that watching the videos on the Ecoboost engines really has me appreciating the design. I just want one with 2 more cylinders.
You could make a twin turbo 5.0
The sign at 3:19
that MPG test was not evenly matched they were going faster in the new one
+Wayne Rhea We tried to make the MPG test as even as possible. However, it's not scientific.
I figured they would introduce this during the refresh for 2018. Kind of suprised they introduced it a year early. Heard a 3.0l v6 diesel is coming with the refresh though.
Good video as always
way to go ford ...
*Amazing how Ford can get their Ecobeast to behave like a Diesel.*
Totally pumped to see the raptor
Having the programmer/tuner in the passenger seat puts this video over the top!
I'm starting to think they just tuned the 17 , and add a 10 speed transmission. nothing new but the transmission and a button
The 3.5 was redesigned to match the specs of the new 2.7. That includes fueling, exhaust manifold design, compact graphite iron block (same as super duty) and many other improvements.
My concern is the reports I've heard of carbon build up in the previous EcoBoost models - wondering if they solved that in the Gen2.
they have. the 2.7 and gen2 3.5 uses both port, and direct injection. the carbon build up is common in direct injection cars because
the valves never see any fuel to clean them
+Kyle Antonowich they should of explained all that in the video... cause it sounded like they didn't do much tbh
They most likely try to keep these videos pretty simple. Most people don't even know how engines work, let alone what the difference between direct and port injection is haha
tell ford (and I am a ford fan with 3 f150's) that this 65k truck cost is bullshit. figure out how to make a truck those of us with a true blue coller can afford
*Hey Genius !! Have you ever heard of the F-150 XL Super Cab with the base V6 and No Options?*
Xl, xlt, base lariat?? Trucks like the platinum are NOT built with the lower income people in mind. Thats been made pretty clear for years. Amazing people still cant understand that.
*2017 F-150 base price $26,540*
CarGurus, tons of 4x4 XLT for $30k. Poor bitch needs to stop bitching
Just buy used stop whining
ebgrish so good for the speakings. trying for the bettering in of the future
I kinda love how those rearview mirror works😂😂
Will they put this trans behind the 5.0?
i hope it will save alot of milage
+Jeffrey Horton no it won't
no man cant you see there trying to phase out the 5.0 this truck kills the 5.0 in horse power and in torque and fuel efficiency
*YES*
They'd be dumb to do that. I would never buy an f-150 again if it was all V6 ecoboost. Probably have to go Toyota.
$65,000 for a half ton truck, get the hell out of here
Poor Man Mods haha 😂 haha 😂 haha 😂 ur totally right
If you’re gonna tow buy diesel but pushing $80,000 on those. Going stupid with prices.
Or don't be an idiot and get one for less than 40k..
Joseph Staton find me a new one for $40000. I’m referring to new not used.
sokodad go to any ford dealership? I've found many for under 40k brand new 2017s
3:19 LOL i love how the ford guy is like "yeah its the same as last year"
Would love to see a comparison of the new '19 Ram 2500 6.4 8spd vs. the 2018.
Nice truck, but $65,000??? Dang! Depending on your location, that's at least half as much as a decent house!
nah. you should check re prices again. inflation doesn't just affect cars kids.
I don't mean fancy house, but decent house for one or two people. Again, it depends where you live.
I'm in colorado. you can't even get a condo for 120 here lol.
+Kcducttaper1 He is correct. A decent house is between 50-80k here.
64k for that truck?came on..
my same thought that's an expensive ass pickup
+crashandburnbirner that's because it's a fully loaded king ranch model, you have an xlt for almost half the price.
keepthinkingPC g
not towing much looking for best fuel economy mix of city and highway
2.7/6 speed or 3.5/10 speed, what really will be best?
You guys should do a meet up when In new places like Michigan which you seem to come to often.
$64,000!?!?!??@?!?!
That's ridiculous
Andre is in the king ranch
+brian6265 still dumb
for less money you can buy a dodge 5500 with Cummins and a 6 speed manual and have a real truck
Nobody wants a shitty ol dodge son
Right
Looks at Top End Half Tons Loaded and then Bitches about Price
Will the V8 get the 10 speed as well..?
+Patrick R No plan at this time.
The Fast Lane Truck uujkooq
I've read there debating another engine at the moment so it's in the air.
Why not? It has to have been built for all engines
yes in 2018
Little-known fact: the 10 speed was developed to help towing (which is why it was originally equipped only with the 3.5EB). The fact that it gets slightly better MPG is just a bonus.
Same transmission gm is using hope it holds up.
64000 is whack!!
470 lb ft torque? Wow, a new 7.3 diesel in the early 2000s had 525 lb ft of torque...
Dude, you're comparing the 7.3 to a GAS engine that's half its size. 470 lb ft of low end torque is nothing to sneeze at.
Besides, a big ass diesel like that only making 10% more torque than that little gas v6 is pretty sad.
+BBTthetank I think you misunderstood him. I interpreted him being shocked that a gas 6 cylinder in a light duty is approaching the torque of the legendary 7.3 PowerStroke of 15 years ago. Which is pretty wild to think about.
+Fordguy1997 Yeah, you're probably right. I may have assumed that he was just another one of those young, 20-something year old diesel-or-nothing types and was comparing the new vs the old the other way around.
+Fordguy1997 But yeah it is pretty wild to think how far trucks AND cars have come along. Who'd da thunk a half-ton with a v6 could safely handle over 12k lbs. Or a 1-ton (1-ton+ for the 450) towing 30k or more, muscle cars and 'family' sedans and soon SUV's with 700 hp, people no longer blown away about 500 hp, minivans with close to 300 hp, and small diesels in half-tons and compact trucks? Not to mention full size trucks getting close to 30 mpg. Imagine what it'll be like in the next 5-10 years.
Love you guys
The 10 speed is outstanding. Lets hope GM did not fuck up the rest of the transmission..haha
K.C.'s RC
1.4L engine..?
3.6 V6..ew
+K.C.'s RC psshh yeah right my father & friends owned many chevy vehicles & they all ended being sold because they were crap & when we bought an f150 with the 5.4 3 valves it was great so one ford flipped the equation as for the diesel the only diesel engine ford made is the 6.7 & it's nearly great as the 7.3 powerstroke ( navistar made along side with the 6.9 , 6.0 & 6.4 ) , so yeah shitty stuff get a ram or gm products .
lol
+K.C.'s RC what's wrong with the 5.4? I have one and have 210 on it all original and original trans. Aside from basic maintainenc haven't had a problem.
+K.C.'s RC I tow a 10K boat and a 5K car trailer with mine and have never had a problem down here in Florida
we need a V8 on the new Raptor
not going to be a V8 i think you all ready knew that
y shit just put even bigger turbos an aftermarket tune u could easily get 700hp out of it and then with the standard 2017s getting avg 19 to 21 with fords shitty exhaust they need to fix put a cold air on it and a 3/5 to 4inch exhaust ull be getting a cars milage in it for guys who work long distance and need a truck its a really nice thing i dont get why everyone bashes the ecoboost its one of fords best things to date if u know how to play with it at home
+Brad Taft turbo charged engines dont last ..much more complex many more parts to break..your pushing the engine itself much harder and generally need to replace turbos around 100k miles....good old iron block v8 is simple and if maintained will last...someone paying 65k for a truck will want it to last 200k miles and not 100k before you have to put several thousand into it to keep it working
trevor philips smh so you can spend ass load of money on gas i swear to god every fuck on youtube a mastertechnition or a enginger
+billy heaton Actually, you won't. In real world conditions, these Ecoboost engines don't deliver the mileage advertised, returning mileage only similar to the N/A V8s they compete with, which don't have the complicated turbo Sh!t. This has been widely known throughout the automotive world for a while. Are you the last person to find this out?
Hey guys! Please tell me, does the 2017 super duty have the multi colored ambient lighting like the f150?
I wish you do this exact two race between v6 vs v8... please do it
65K ?? hahahaha
get a lower priced model
Its just hard to believe that a 150 can get that high.
that's not that much
+wasup Ikr people have no idea how much a new truck costs now days
+Ben exactly all the Chevy 1500s are in that price. Not sure about dodge.
First year of the transmission I wouldn't touch with a 10' pole. Nevermind that ford's weakness has always been transmissions. Too bad they won't put an LS in.
They teamed up with GM..so if anything goes wrong..most likely GM fault..lol
so... that transmission is codevloped with gm. so...
Ford took the lead on the 10 speed and GM took the lead on 9 speed
2016 Shelbygt350R
if its the 9 speed in the 200 it makes sense LOL
+CrazyFastRapper the 200?
just wondering which to pick, I can get a 2016 Limited with all the option at my local ford dealer around 63k Canadian.
I looove the King Ranch
The U.S and Canada has more sheeps than New Zealand, my neighbor across the street is on his 3rd F-150 since '04, i'm still driving my reliable '03 Tundra, i guess that's why Ford sells so many F-150's cause they don't last, fleets get refreshed every couple of years hence why the huge sales numbers, '17 Ford 10 speed, '18 Ford 12 speed, 2020 Ford 15 speed 1000 hp and 2500 torque, 23,000 lb tow rating and 8000 lbs payload
You sure watch a lot of Ford videos for hating them so much! I guess since the Tundra hasn't changed shit since 2007 there's not many new videos. Just think the old 3.5 6 speed put a whopping on the 5.7 Tundra this is just icing on the cake!!
***** you don't need to keep changing shit when you build a reliable truck like the Tundra, were you living on this planet since these ecoshit engines have been put in the F-150's, never heard of all the issues they've had with these engines??
No, it's because they are big enthusiasts and buy a new one every 4 or 5 years just because, you're driving a 13 year old pick up truck that is in no way the same category or has the same capability as these new trucks. Good for you.
Sorensenator86 they buy a new one every 4 or 5 years because they know expensive repairs are just around the corner and their warranty ran out lol, my 13 year old pickup just last week pulled a 2012 Dodge 1500 out of an old logging road for 27 km "17 miles" with a blown transmission, not the first time i pull one back to town and i don't think it will be the last, my truck is a half ton, did you think i was comparing it to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks?
guy proulx No of course not, but half tonnes now are rated to tow 12 to 13 thousand pounds now plus all the standard features are so much better. Part of it is warranty and worry about future repairs but mostly it comes down to having a new vehicle, it's a status thing.
Here in Canada we have quite a few kiwi's and Aussie's here working in the construction industry and they say a half tonne over there costs over 100 thousand dollars because they have to import.
Impressive, however this transmission engine combination will not last 10 years.
How could you possibly know that?
Not 5
+Austin Jordison The market wont allow it. They need people to buy more. Back in the day they built a reputation on toughness and durability, now its screens more gears speed and mpg. They could have and some did build twin turbo, 10 speed auto, and direct injection back in the 90's. However they didt last and still wont. This is all manufacturer not just ford.
+john edwards it does make a lot of sense that manufactures MAY not build things that are durable since they want people to keep buying new things
+Trevor C agree
I love ford, they are so good at over complicating everything and then walking away from problems when they cant figure out how the hell to fix it. Just test drive a new focus.
It looks like the non-towing acceleration comparison was done with the 2016 in Sport mode, and the 2017 in Normal mode (no Sport indicator on the panel, lower RPM at the shift points...)
10 speed? More like 4 more gears to get fucked
No kidding 6 gears are more than adequate.
people said the same thing 10 years ago about the 6 speed.
well im saying it again dam it a 6 speed is just 3 more gears to get fucked C6 for the win
Ford patented an 11 speed transmission last year.
billy heaton why don't you use a real pic and not your boyfriends that guy looks more fairy that richard simmons in a leotard mounting bruce jenner
10 gears in a truck has got to be a miserable experience
Why? The truck does all the shifting. And he does say it shifts so smooth he didn't even feel it. 8:25
*You don't know what you're talking about*
Escape for Mankind Man I hate they took away the adding the name of the one you are replying to. I'm guessing you are talking to Trevor but you could be talking to me.
Why is at? It was faster than the 6 speed.
+gtileo They have programmed the transmission to skip gears, if it needs, to help eliminate unnecessary gear shifting.
Guys, Can you get your hands on 2016 F150 Supercharged Shelby or a Tonka? not sure if they come with more than a 3.31 axle but luv to see what these modified beasts can do and may be even on the towing performance(not expecting much with a 3.31).
what was the engine in the white F150 they used for comparison on the uphill tow?
shopping around for a used 4x4 f150.. is the 10speed worth the extra money over the 6spd?
+ TheFastLaneTruck will you guy resume the 0-60 towing tests please?
Will the Expedition/Navigator get this engine/transmission?
Wonder if they will use the same technology as the kenworth trucks. 10 speed automatic transmission and 2:64 gears? I know a 10 speed stick with an isx Cummins would turn over 1400 on the tack at 65 but when it went to auto with a 2:64 gear ratio it dropped to 1100 at cruising speed.
Did you have the 2017 in sport mode in your 0-60 test
I'll keep my 5.0 with 6 speeds, I don't have to worry about any blown turbos or transmission issues.
I 2nd this.
So will this engine replace the V-10 thats used in the E-450 Chasis cab for the RV industry. Class C RV`S.
+Paul Wicklund Ford did not make any announcement about the E-series.
I want to know what kind of head gasket they use. My neighbors on each side of me and myself, lost our engines to head gasket.
You guys should get your hands on the Ecodiesel and do a more extensive test with it!
I'd like my truck with full-down rear window and 6-passenger configuration...that is, 3-seating at the front. Nice as people and toy hauler!
my 2016 6speed 2.7tt will do 0-60 in 6 flat at stock 15psi but they might be at higher elevation but the 6speed 3.5tt is supposed to do it in 5.5sec
Sweet Truck!
Look at the 3:17 counting up mark, and read the sign. It's around the beginning.
Did u have the 17 in sport mode for the 0-60?
I`ve put a ten speed on my Yugo. 5 power glides end to end.
nice ride I want one and a RV
Andrea what is the transmission gear ratios? Can't find the specs anywhere.
please review the suzuki jimny !
Its crazy how much power they are making small motors poop out these days more than my 5.7 but i'd hate to have 10 gears most i'd stand is 6
So will this double or triple transmission repair cost
Be interesting to see what the mpg is when you get one back on your home turf.
+Don Bement Will do
10 speed must shift quick. My ram is the 8 speed and it shifts so smooth.
I'm pretty excited to see the F150 with the new 10 speed in it! I have high hopes for what it can do for power and mpgs. Just hope that it doesn't take a 15 year mortgage to get one...
were all your test trucks 3.31 rear ends, or did they also have 3.55?
They should have a 4cyl too, 150hp or so base trim truck. Would probably be getting 30mpg. Not everybody tows everyday.
Nice trucks, but what is the longevity of the turbo charged v-6 in a full sized truck? How much will that cost when it goes out at around 100,000 miles (for example)? Also, these new pick-ups are being priced way out of the average working man's ball park. Keep up the good work America...
Great video, yet I am not sold on the 10 speed.
What are those lights on the king ranch??
Anyone know why the gen2 ecoboost, not long since the original engine. Performance seems minor with the tests. In theory mpg and zero and overtaking should be alot better
That's a very nice truck for 2017.
Why didn't u put the 2017 in sport mode?
What's better 6 speed or 10 speed. Regarding performance, And top speed.
the uphill drag race triggered the traction control of the 6speed therefore slowing it down.
4:38 "Except for the engine and transmission. Identical trucks" lol but seriously nice video
so first gear is longer in the 10? i just dont see the point in so many gears, ive driven dodge's 8 speed and even that was too much i felt like. It was constantly shifting at low throttle and felt just like a 4 speed in the downshifts by skipping 2 gears at a time and taking its sweet time doing so
I was expecting a 10 speed Eaton Fuller. lol! XD
I drove an Ecoboost once. Very disappointed that you can't hear the turbo. I mean, what's the point of having a turbo without the whistle? That being said, glad to see Ford has finally built an F150 that actually looks nice for once.
Brucie so just take the muffler off dumbass
Hey TFL, does the new gen 2 engine solve some of the problems ford had with their first turbo engine? I have read and heard of many people experiencing that limp mode due to some malfunction with the turbo. Any response would be greatly appreciated.
Ford owners found that drilling a hole in the bottom of the CAC allowed the accumulated liquids to blow out the hole, thus the stalling stopped as the engine was no longer ingesting moisture. Ford relocated the CAC in 2014 or thereabouts. More info can be found on F150 forums.
thx zip appreciate the feedback
When will you all be able to test the Chevy 10 speed against the Ford 10 speed in comparable configs? I know GM & Ford worked together on that new tranny.
What is Ford thinking, Aluminum bed, and a 6 cylinder engine (with V8 sounds out of the speakers lol) and a $65,000 price tag?
Looks great in burgundy!
This is why the f series has been the best selling truck for the past 39 years and the best selling vehicle for 34 years
I won't buy a new Ford pickup, since they don't offer the one thing I want, a manual transmission.
+Rexford L fr thou they need it
^^^This. You are now stuck with certain models of the Ram line but can only get the manual transmission with a diesel engine...not that bad but still the MT should be available with any engine choice....hell it should be the only transmission option period...if you can't drive a MT you shouldn't be behind the wheel period.