EcoBoost to Gas F-250... 7 Month Update... Regrets??
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Current national average fuel prices actually work in favor of the 6.2... if you take the average cost per mile the 6.2 is at $0.16 per mile. The 6.7 sits at $0.18 per mile. Very interesting.
Wandering Weekends I’d get the Diesel over the gas truck
Chanse Ormon I’m gonna stick to this gas truck. I love it.
Resale value....resale value and resale value
Bryan De La Rosa certainly on a new truck but this is a 2013... a good portion of depreciation has already taken place and the gassers are becoming a little more popular with recent diesel prices and DEF worries. I think a high mileage diesel certainly commands more in the used market but most studies show you must drive them a minimum 125k miles before you have any type of ROI.
Wandering Weekends I’m not sure I believe that. Last year I traded in my 2013 F250 with 142,000 miles. Problem free and got 27k on trade in which is a great ROI, and DPF is such a small expense I’m not sure why people even factor it in especially when you feel the brute strength.
You're a smart person for going with the 6.2 over the 6.7
You bought yourself a much more reliable and maintainable vehicle.
Worked at a diesel shop for years. Diesels are not simple anymore. Emissions regulations have killed the simplicity of them. They are VERY expensive to work on. No thanks.
Full delete, flash and majic!
Yep, diesel is almost dead in pick up trucks and is no longer practical to own. The sad thing is all this happened right at the time diesels got really good and then they added all the emission crap.
No modern engine is simple anymore. To get the power we're generating now and increased economy, things have to be monitored closely with a lot of sensors.
@@Sig721Tau talk to the owner/operators if and they own a newer truck I'd say 95% take them to shops. Oil changes or grease they will do but any kind of engine work require special tools or testing equipment. The older trucks that are in service will I'd say get phased out due to emission regulations. This and now the elog the government want you to run has made the 99 and older trucks take a big jump in price just like in pickup trucks anything older than 07 price jumped and now with them getting tuff on the delete kits old ones will get more expensive. The EPA doesn't care that a motor that use to go a million miles now only goes 500,000 and then needs rebuilt and elog just makes it easy for them to fine a driver for hours violation just to make it home instead of spending another night in the truck
@@94XJ That 6.2 is pretty simple. It is a huge version of the crown vic engine (2v sohc). Nothing crazy except vvt and there are no failures for that part.
just made this upgrade myself. Went from F150 FX4 to F250 Lariat. Love the F250, I also loved the F150. One thing I would say about the F250 that he doesn't mention is the size of the gas tank. It's a 29 gal, which means not only are you burning more gas, but your are holding the same gas tank size as the F150, at least I am in my model, Lariat trim. I know I can upgrade to the larger tank, but that's $1,100, w/o install. So . . . other than that, we are very happy with the F250.
Unless you tow for a living, Diesel is overkill. Plus Diesel is more expensive for everything. Not just fuel. Bigger batteries, injectors and maintenance involved with the emissions systems.
Diesels make sense if you're a 1.) smokey boi or 2.) small business owner towing 75-90% of the time. Gas trucks are for families and people who do not tow year round.
We came from only owning diesel trucks then traded in for a gas Silverado 2500. Everybody told us we'd be sorry and regret that decision. To be honest, we couldn't be happier. A gas 250/2500 is PLENTY for most people! We pull a 30 foot Airstream. We've been from Ohio to Texas to Florida, and back. Zero issues. Plenty of power.
I think it depends on the person. Even though gas is a very capable motor in HD's for most people I didn't enjoy towing with my 6.0 GMC that I had. I think its just the higher rpms required vs diesel was like fingernails on a chalkboard for me plus I could feel it behind me, my diesel I sometimes wonder if I forgot my trailer lol. My last (160k) and my current 2013 diesel (97k) have treated me well so I don't have any bad tastes in my mouth yet that some people complain about (knock on wood!) Ford and maybe the others are working on new and bigger gas motors so we will wait and see what happens there before I buy my next truck.
@Dan K. You're exactly right, I went from a 2500hd gas to a Ford 6.7 and while I dont need the diesel for my specific trailer its way more enjoyable to pull with. The 6.0 gas was wound out all the time and it drove me nuts. The 6.7 is a beast and I love pulling with it. I suspect Wandering Weekends would have the same experience if he ever pulled a trailer with a diesel pickup.
Yeah I went from a chevy had 2500 diesel to Chevy hd2500 gas. Maintenance costs were high. Gas engine 6.0 works just fine. Basically just a bit slower when pulling our travel trailer (35 foot)
@@Mike-cp1ft problem is all you guys are comparing a gutless 6.0 Chevy gas truck to the diesels. 6.2 ford gas engine has 430lb ft of torque down low vs only 380ish at higher rpms in the chevy. The ford trans also has better gearing than the chevy. Ford gas with the 6.2 is much better driving and towing than the 6.0 chevy. I have had several of both and there is no comparison. The 6.2 ford is almost like the old big block 454 and 460 gas trucks but even more power and better mileage.
@@Sig721Tau Honestly don't remember if it were a 4 speed but it was a 01 which i believe was first gen 6.0 that had 300 hp. My trailer back then (#4500) though didn't wiegh half what my current fifth wheel does loaded (10,500)
Honest, clear review without any axe to grind, really appreciate it. Thank you for posting.
Northstar7 that was the goal. Thank you for watching and commenting!!
500 subscribers! Congratulations - you’re well past that now!!
Another great video!
We are currently driving a 2012 F150 XL (140,000 miles) with Ecoboost and super cab and we are towing a 19 foot Lance travel trailer.
We have thought about an F250, but for us, at least right now, I think we’re good.
My wife says I have a hard enough time with the size of the 150, never mind the 250!
She’s got the room to talk, she drove semi for fifteen years.
Thanks again,
Ram
We just went from a F-150 3.5 Ecoboost to a 2017 F-250 as well. We went the diesel route. We also have a Imagine 2800BH. The Tow experience was phenomenal!!!! We just took her out on her first tow to San Diego from Las Vegas and it was so nice. So much more stable and no more white knuckles. Good update video.
When towing in my 2017 F250, the ride was fine. When it wasn't towing, the ride was very ruff and my wife made all kinds of noise the whole time we were driving. I installed Sulastic Springs ($400) on the back of the rear leaf springs. The difference they made was way better than I imagined it would be. My wife is much quieter and happy.
Excellent recommendation, thank you.
I just traded my beloved 2011 F150 EcoBoost and bought a used 2018 XLT 6.3 F250. We started pulling a 30' bumper pull camper with the F150 and my issue was not with the power. The EcoBoost was a beast power wise. my issues was the sway and getting pushed around on the highway! I can't wait to pull the camper and test it.. Only downer so far is this thing requires a lid on my morning coffee going to work! :)
I went from an F150 Ecoboost to a 2019 F250.
I agree with everything you stated! Cons and Pros were spot on.
Love the F250 towing. Get jerked around when its not!
Still love both trucks, but REALLY love towing with the F250. Smooothe!
One of the most balanced reviews I’ve ever watched and still all the 3/4 ton, 1 ton, diesel is god haters still show up.
Agree with most everything, especially the no-need for a diesel.
About the ride quality, I replaced the 4" rear blocks with a fab tech 1" block. Softens the ride dramatically and levels the rake. Makes a huge difference in ride and appearance for cheap.
Finally people wake up!!! Great video!!! Gassers are so much cheaper!!!
I’m planning on getting a 2014 f-250 gasser soon I’m only 18 and it’s 10k with high miles but it will be good for my first truck I’ve been saving up for
Love my F 150 quad with the 4X4 trailering package. Pulls my 4,000 pd RV ok. I love the power . Gets 10 mpg towing . Averages 19 + . I love the way it gets up and goes like a muscle car. Great video. Thanks
The F150 has a great ride, and a car tire from the factory. Things to help the F150 tow better are load range E tires and roadmaster active suspension or air bags. Even so, the F250 handles the load much better. Your video shares the pros and cons very well, great review. Well said.
I have the same exact truck as you just different color. Your pros and cons- you are 100% on point. I couldn’t have said it better if I tried. I love my F-250!
Thanks for watching and commenting!!
I think you hit the pros and cons spot on. We went from a Silverdo 1500 to an F-250 and our experience was the same as far as the good and the bad.
pmh1nic do you have any tire issues or death wobble
Your videos of changing vehicles did somewhat play a part in me moving to the F250 with the 6.2 gas.
I did the same, went from a 2015 F150 Ecoboost last year to a new 2017 F250 Lariat gas and agree 100% with the video. Switched from a 27ft. Travel trailer to a 27 ft. 5th wheel, and the truck preforms amazingly well. No sway, feel in control at all times, it’s now the dog wagging the tail not the other way around. Yes it’s rougher riding empty, uses more gas, but the drive is actually a way way more stress free than my 150 eco was, and don’t get me wrong, the Eco was a beauty and I loved it but the F250 is a stride up
I've got a 2017 F250 XL with the 6.2. My 2 1/2 year opinion. The truck is a beast. I dont need bells and whistles. It's the same truck. I dont need leather heated seats and and. But I use it for work. Carpenter for 40 years. Mine is showing 15.1 mpg at moment. And it's easy to clean being xl.
Buy a camera and video your carpentry work! Would love to see the truck at work.
We love our 2014 Superduty! It's a 6.7 Liter Diesel---Zero complaints!
Great update! I too recently went from a '11 F150 Eco XLT to a '16 F250 6.2L XLT FX4 and have the same pros and cons as you. We pull a 7500 lbs (loaded) trailer and needed more tow vehicle. You nailed it in your last video that the F150 felt "floaty" while towing. The loss in MPG from the Ecoboost to the 6.2L while empty is easily overshadowed in the better towing capability of the F250. One valuable point that is often overlooked is that the two engines get nearly identical MPG while towing (we actually do better with the 6.2L). Simply put, the F250 6.2L is a purpose built tow vehicle that is reliable and very well built. It is a VERY worthwhile upgrade.
brendanclark81 Thanks! So glad you’re happy with your decision as well. Best thing we’ve done for our RV hobby... and it’s a good lookin truck too 😜
Thanks! A very helpful comparison. About what I expected, but nice to here it from someone with real experience.
aikibudoMT You’re very welcome. I do t claim to be an expert... only sharing my experiences. Thank you for watching and commenting!
My f250 pulls a trailer like there's nothing behind it..love it..
No way! Your so cool.
I have a 2016 XLT F-250, I find your review spot on! I only use mine to tow a trailer, therefore it only has 2,665 miles. Great review
Hunter 4 the Hungry LLC Sincerely appreciated. You’ll enjoy that truck. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I saw one of those morning. Black Supercab F250 gas pulling a Wolf Pack camper. A fella at the opposite end of my block has a white one like yours and pulls a large Outback camper. Must love it, has had it a year now.
No regrets here! Thank you for watching and commenting!
love the video... been looking at upgrading my eco boost to a f250... one thing you forgot to mention and i didn't read all the comments but its also 10k more for a diesel than a gas motor. Last thing.. i love at the end that you stated you have 500 followers subscribed now.. almost 2 years later your at 20k....(i just started following) keep making your videos.. very awesome....
derrick gentilcore thanks! I appreciate that. I’m actually in a 250 diesel now and I can honestly say it isn’t worth $10k more. The oil burner is a great truck but I’d still be happy with a gasser.
I went with a 6.2 f-350 pulling a 37’ fifth wheel. 8 mpg I’m happy. My Cummins got 9 pulling the same camper.
Nice review and comparison. I had similar experience with other brands going from half ton to a gas 3/4. I will not be going back to a half ton truck. They are great rigs but as you noted the towing experience with a HD truck is much nicer.
The kid looks super safe in the back seat! That is a great truck. I have a diesel, and I dunno? I will probably buy a gas one next.
Thanx for the update buddy!🙏
When I was looking for my new Ford Truck, I went with the F350 instead of the F250. In Mn, license plates for a new F250 are about $600, F350 about $100. Price for both trucks were almost the same. Price difference from a 6.2 gas motor and trans was $11,000 less than a 6.7D in a new truck. I have pulled both gas a diesel trucks with my 24' livestock trailer fully loaded. 11mpg for the gas, 13 for the diesel. Fuel is now $2 for gas, $3 for diesel. Better have a big check book for Diesel maintenance and repairs, they can get spendy. With interest on your money whether you borrow or use your own money to buy a truck at around 5%, you save plenty buying the gas truck over the diesel.
Why were the licenses so much different?
I love my 05 F250 and like diesels in general but people forget that 35+ years ago the work horses in pickups were gas burners. It wasn’t really until the late 80s did diesels in pickups really take off and now they’re just blown out of proportion.
We moved from an F150 to a gas F250 last year and don't regret it one bit. We tow a 2600RB. Recently we've started loading an electric golf cart in the bed of the truck and also towing the Grand Design. The golf cart weighs almost 1000 lb....got it in Winder. Our gas mileage is about 9.2 with the golf cart loaded. We are almost at the end of a 2,200 mile trip out to Texas and up to Tennessee, will finish next week at Amicolola Falls SP....out for 24 days. The truck has done very well towing with the golf cart in the bed of the truck. Our truck is indeed a beast.
I sold my diesel because of the admissions , went to the 6.2 2019 Ford F250 lariat love it. I did dual exhaust modify the air intake. This thing gets up and goes pulls the trailer no problem.
Love your vid. Great advice without bashing the personal decisions of your viewers. You keep things very objective and will state when you are making a subjective statement. We personally have a 2018 F-150 Platinum that we use to tow our Jayco 28RLS (32.5' total length). For how we use it (short weekend trips mostly in Florida), it's perfect. I realize a Super Duty would be a bit more comfortable when towing, but for all-around use and daily driving, we LOVE our F-150! Keep up the good work!
Loved my EcoBoost! They're great trucks IMO.
2 years later.... I'll add that a 150 eco-boost is all you need in a region like Florida. My brother had a 2011 eco that had no trouble pulling his 8000lb 34' TT, but he was sweating going downhill when braking. He upgraded to a diesel and has been happy. I have a 2017 F350 gas and have a little trouble on the way up the longer hills in PA, but I felt no issue going down. The point is a 150 eco will be more than enough (in our weight\length ranges) as long as it's not going downhill frequently. But once you get to those hills, you'll want something sturdier in front of your trailer.
Great video. I've been looking for a video like this. Back in September, we rented a F250 diesel and 27 ft trailer in NW Washington and I loved the diesel. Looking at a new truck to pull our 25ft trailer, but now I'm in the gasser vs diesel debate. This video has calmed my fears of going with gas.
I can't speak to the towing environment in NW Washington. I can only share what we've experienced. I do feel many go diesel because they think its "cool". I'm too old to worry about my "cool" factor. The gas has been great thus far (10 months now). Happy camping and thank you for watching/commenting.
Should have added, I'm in Indiana. So nowhere near same terrain as in Washington.
JKoolina oh you’re good to go then! If you’re like us we won’t take enough trips west to justify the cost of a diesel. We certainly hope to camp out west when the kids are bigger but it would be uncommon.
You can buy a lot of gas for what they want to add a diesel engine, add to that the ridiculous additional repair and maintenance costs when you mention the word diesel they automatically add another $1,000 to a simple service. No reason to run a diesel vehicle anymore with the emissions crap on them, and the DEF systems always causing problems, they're far from reliable like they used to be...now if you went out and bought an older diesel pickup prior to the emissions junk it wouldn't be so bad but the prices on them are totally ridiculous.
Thats a REALLY good looking truck! Enjoy it and have fun!
Thanks! Will do!
I believe that you are spot-on with your comments. Diesel is not for everyone, and to automatically assume that if you tow, you must have diesel, is a folly. Thanks for your factual and candid reviews.
I just sold my 2012 6.7 f250 FX4x4, and bought a 2016 F250 Xlt 4x4 6.2. I'm done with diesel, had 5 of them. They will eat you out of house and home when they break. The 6.2 is a beast of an engine without all the extra crap on it to break. I'm an old man who has owned at least 50 vehicles and have worked on all of them. I had four 7.3's diesels, great engine, terrible transmission, loud inside etc. Forget those old dinosaurs. Dodge had a 2005 3500 Ram cummins, great engine, trans, sucked! Ford got it right with the 6.2, am looking forward to many happy miles and towing a lighter load. I must say the 6.7 is a beast of a motor 2012 400hp, for 100hp less I'm ok without the fuel pump problems, the turbo problems.
Well said! I too went from an F-150 ecoboost to a used 2012 F-250 over 3 years ago, but I opted for the Power Stroke. Towing my travel trailer with the F-250 is much better. I see too many people on the highway towing large campers with half ton trucks. Wish everyone would do research on towing and tow vehicles before they jump into owning and pulling a camper.
Would you still go with the gasser now?
Currently considering purchasing a F250 gas in the near future. I really appreciate your video helps a lot. Not really on planning on towing a lot of stuff just hauling here and there in Texas part time.
Jonathan Jordan you’ll be good to go. I actually just bought a diesel since Ford was offering model year end rebates... I can’t say it’s THAT much better. Def not worth 10k to upgrade to diesel. I’d buy another gasser in a minute. Especially the new 7.3 w 10 speed coming soon. Cheers our there in Texas!!
I was looking for a 3/4 ton last spring b/c I bought a 31ft. 5th wheel about 9100lbs.dry. Not having a lot of money, I bought a '99 f250HD w/ 4WD , 6.8L V10 engine. w/ 137M miles on it. What I really wanted was the 7.3 diesel but couldn't find anything decent at the time. this truck pulls the trailer just fine, but I wouldn't want to take it up a mountain pass. But this V10 has plenty of power. Now I'm glad I bought it. got 141M on it now and runs smooth as silk.
We just moved from the 2011 f150 ecoboost to the f250 6.2 and tow "not as much/often as you do" and feel the f250 is just more stable and confident. The power on the 3.5 was not the issue. It was the big kite/sail that was pushing me around...
I had a 2003 F150 w/5.4L V8. Horrible for towing in Arizona. We have mountain roads up to 9500ft elevation where you still need an engine that makes power. Phoenix to Flagstaff is 1200ft to 6900ft elevation change. My 2016 F250 6.7L did the job from Phoenix to Casper Wyoming and back with full load in truck and 7500lbs trailer, 11mpg and did not struggle to ever stay the speed limit, even up the steepest grades. The F250 is just more stable on the road as well. My wife and I will be traveling throughout the west and someday Alaska, and I am happy with my decision, no regrets. I agree with most comments, pick the truck for the job you need it to do.
Enjoyed this review, I currently have an EcoBoost. Have often thought my next truck would be a gas f250 seeing some fairly close in price to what I paid for my 150
I have the same truck but XLT model and it does have a lot of great bells & whistles. I absolutely love it.
Great video! I'm a Chevy guy but I recently towed with a 2018 Ford 6.7 diesel. The Ford felt very nice & confident when driving! The 6.7 has smooth power! All the new trucks are very capable! Your 6.2 is a sweet-looking machine! Diesel or gas we are all part of the truck community!
It's nice to see someone being civil when it comes to "the other brands". Haha! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@Dirt, now, that's the ticket! I ain't never seen a truck I didn't like.
DURTYMAX LML I’m a blue blooded Ford guy and loved your comment! Too much talking shit between brand lovers. But I could have a beer with a guy like you. I think by now, after all the emissions stuff has been worked on, all the diesels are solid engines.
I currently have a 2014 F-150 with the ecoboost engine and tow a 27 foot travel trailer. I love the truck and it's towing performance, but surely would appreciate a little more stability when being passed by 18 wheelers on the interstate. I'm not looking for another truck right now, but an F-250 would be my logical step up. Your pros and cons list is perfect to help me in my decision making process when the time comes..
He is spot on about the towing experience differences...in my f150 you really had to drive the truck and pay attention. Now i set the cruise and one hand it pulling our 27ft camper...so much nicer and I can't wait for our next long trip!
Good video. Concise, to the point, fair and valid points. Nice job.
Thank you, I sincerely appreciate it. Also, thank you for watching and commenting.
Getting ready to order my 7.3 f350 king ranch, I’m upgrading from a 2500 due to getting a heavier 5th wheel from a bumper pull, cannot wait for that new truck smell 🤠
I have 2 F250 Superduty’s.One is the diesel and one is the 6.2 gas.
I own a small trucking company and I usually drive the 6.2 . The diesel F250 is just too expensive to maintain and it’s just plain noisy.
I like the 6.2 gas engine much better since I idle a lot and it never fails to start in the winter. The diesel pickup can outpull the gas pickup on a long grade when they’re both towing identical trailers but not by much. It’s really not worth spending the extra $10,000 for the diesel engine if you ask me.
I also have a couple of F150’s and both of my F250’s can run off and hide from them in the hills. I havn’t seen a 1/2 ton pickup yet that can pull with the Superduty’s. A bigger truck just pulls better than a smaller one. It’s always been that way and the bigger trucks will also outlast the smaller ones. A 1/2 ton pickup rarely has anything in the back and it was mainly designed as a glorified passenger car. The modern F250’s are actually designed to work. All you 1/2 ton owners out there make sure to stay out of the way of us working men in our F250 Superduty’s on your way to Starbucks. We’re busy. 😏
GearJammer- excellent commentary. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico
Thanks for the information. I am going to getting another truck for my small business. We have a 16/ 2wd F150 with the 3.3L v6. its been very reliable but gets disappointing mpg's. This time around I want a stronger option. I am looking at the F150 ecoboosts or the v0. I am also looking at the f250 6.2L. Either way I go I will be getting a Supercab with 4wd. I worry about the reliability of the ecoboost and really wanted the5.0 but seen some issues with them. We do not tow much if ever but drive a lot all around meeting clients. any advice?
gracias por la ayuda! straight to the point! much appreciated! new sub here! currently comparing between the f250 and the gmc sierra 2500 gas.
de nada senor!!
Enjoyed the video. I, too, towed with an Ecoboost for years (about 50k miles towing). Great experience, and I figured that I might experience your discoveries if I ever changed. Ended up switching to a motorhome, so I am not in the truck market any longer. However, if I were, I would have made the same decision you did. Used, gas, F250. I'm sure you'll enjoy the experience for years to come. By the way...if you want to discuss thirsty, try out the Ford V10 in a motorhome. I've got to come to terms with it. LOL
I have the same truck . Identical to the one in the video. I pull a fifth wheel rv trailer. I feel vary confident hauling my trailer with this truck. My son has the eco boost F-150. He as well pulls a an rv trailer. Funny thing is our gas mileage is vary close...mind you he pulls a bumper hitch trailer a couple feet shorter. I was going to go the diesel route but from what i hear every time it breaks down its usually a $1000.00 bill in repairs. Glad I didn't. F-250 is awesome!
Great video, I agree with you 99%. My truck is a 17 gas 250 with the G transmission and 373 gear, with a bump in the torque at a lowered rpm I'm getting great fuel economy. 17mpg highway at 100 kmph/60 mph and 14mpg combined. At 17000 lbs combined I'm getting 8/9 mpg. Our gas is is 10 cents per liter lower than diesel so that helps also. I had a powerstroke and don't miss it at all. And all those fellows saying they're getting 14 mpg towing a 12 or 14 thousand pounds are full of shit the best I could do pulling 10 thousand was 10 mpg on a good day. Cheers my friend.
What powerstroke did you have? 5.7 cummins gets 14 all day
New diesels are complicated and cost way more to operate. Maintenance cost and repair cost will eat your lunch unless you do it all your self and at my age I value my time more and don't want to spend my weekend doing maintenance. I am 41 and my time is money.
Good fair points. Thanks for the follow up!
Nice video. I just did the exact same thing and I agree with you 100%. I have yet to tow our trailer but I made the switch for the exact reasons that you mentioned. If I could have kept my 2019 Ecoboost, I would have. It was an amazing truck.
I think the point where you should go diesel is if you can't go the speed limit up a mountain with what you're towing.
I share your sentiments about the gas engine. I own a 2016 Superduty to haul my camper. Since pickup trucks with campers resemble Class C motorhomes, I thought, why not spec the pickup as a Class C chassis. So what I have is an extremely rare pickup, F350 dually, 2wd, gas engine. Though I realize it's nothing anyone would want to buy, it fits my purpose to perfection. So let me add a few pros to the 6.2 gas engine list. 1) You don't have to add DEF while fueling. 2) Maintenance is simpler and cheaper. I even do my own oil changes. 3) When I'm near my destination, I don't have to worry about the exhaust cleaning indicator coming on (which tells me I have to continue driving). 4) When I open the hood, I don't see a big cluster of components jammed together. The engine compartment has plenty of space for maintenance. 5) It's much easier being able to pull into any fuel station and buying gas than having to locate diesel pumps.
As far as driving uphill goes, I could keep it at 60 mph and make the transmission shift to 2nd gear with a high reving engine. But I don't. Instead of maintaining my speed uphill, I find it easier on the engine to keep the rpm down and let the truck bog down.
How many MPG on your 2016 Superduty F350 Gas engine when towing on average?
We have a 2016 f250 xl gas and tow a 33ft trailer. I feel the same way you do about the diesel, no need sure it down shifts but that engine was made for it. Stable on the road, sure drinks fuel, but still worth every penny.
I did the same journey but on the GM side. Went from 1500 Silverado to 2500 gmc. Everything you said about the differences is the same. 2500 is very stable with the trailer, and that is what I love about it! The 1500 was adequate but not in the same league.
I don't have a 250 but I have a 2800BH that I tow with a F150. Not all F150 are build equal. Mine is 2017 5.0 Screw 4X4 with the HDPP. (2473 lbs of payload) Bigger frame, bigger suspension, LT tires, bigger front torsion bar and I tow with a Propride 3P hitch. I did about 1500 miles with it up to know and It tows, brake and track wonderfully. I only had to change my rear shocks for Bilstein 4600 to get rid of some porpoising. I drove in 45 mph cross wind, been pass by vans and the Propride is doing is job. NO SWAY. when van pass me the hole rig (truck and trailer ) just move one inch or two toward the van and then move back one or two inch back on track when the van clear the nose of my truck.
I have a 2013 crew cab ecoboost heavy duty payload package and got to say they are very impressive. Mine was still the 7 lug version at 2148lb payload capacity..
I might add that along with the improved "towing experience" comes an enhanced feeling of safety, in my opinion. It pulls better, stops better, rides better under load, higher payload, and overall just feels safer than the older '97 F-250 (light duty) I towed with previously. Well worth the increased fuel cost over my 5.4L Triton engine.
comlbbeau safety factor is the main reason I’ll have a hard time going back to a 1/2 ton truck. Thanks for watching and commenting
Great video and very accurate observations on both trucks. Like you I went from an F-150 (2013 5.0L) that rode like a Cadillac to a new 2017 F-250 XLT Premium FX4 crew cab with the 6.2 gas and 3.73 rear end. With 26k miles on it I'm getting 15 mpg combined city/highway empty, where my F-150 got 21 mpg. And yes, the F-250 rides rough as a cob empty, lol! But where the SD shines is towing my 30' boat on its triple axle trailer. 11,000 lbs and the SD never breaks a sweat, whether it's pulling up a mountain or up a steep, slimy boat ramp. I get 7-9 mpg towing depending on terrain, and have zero complaints. I look at it this way- if you can afford to buy something that really requires a SD's capabilities to tow, you're probably not sweating sub 10 mpg fuel numbers. And any way you look at it it's hard to beat the sexy growl of a big V-8!
I agree with all your points. I have a F350 with the 6.2 and feel much safer with it when towing.
I’m going to look at buying a 2013 f350 6.2 tomorrow. Do you still like the truck? Also what’s the difference between the f250 and 350? I know most f350s are duallys but the one I’m looking at tomorrow is a single rear wheel.
That is a shortbed. Shorter wheelbase option total length is 20.5 feet which you got right. But the long 8ft bed is 22ft long in a crew cab.
Andrew Wood you’re correct. I’m mentioning a longer bed vs the 5.5 EB bed. Thanks for watching!
im loving my 2017 F250 super duty gas. and you are right, its hard to park.
Thank you for this video. We are contemplating doing the exact thing. We currently have a 2016 f150 eco boost and tow a 35ft TT. She does well but we want to move back to the super duty’s.
We also visit N GA and the mountains of TN a lot.
JSTJPN 2011 Thank YOU for watching and commenting. No regrets here moving to the Super Duty.
Nice truck,all our company trucks are fords,300 of them.All cowboys running them everyday,cold starts,potholes,no washes,overloaded.The ford is truly one tuff truck,were hard on them,and the 6.2 holds up,They still run when leased up,but the bodys are shot,they run and shift,and yes,they are not that great on fuel.These company fords we run are the true test of a work truck,its no magazine shootout,its the real world people.Im impressed by the fords.All fact,no brag.
Great to hear this from a true truck torturer! Thank you for the great insight.
A friend of mine owns a towing company. He said he wouldn't be caught driving a Ford truck home to his up scale neighborhood and wouldn't buy anything but a ford for his business. Glad I don't live in his neighborhood
Diesel maintenance is expensive too and a pain in the winter
Many similar experiences with our Ram 2500 6.4. One thing I will note is the coil suspension is a godsend. Rides significantly better than an HD Ford or GM unloaded yet retains the HD capacities and ride quality loaded.
I'm looking at an F.250 and it's funny because I'm going into the purchase with the same thoughts as you guys (used lariat pr better vs new xl) hands down the choice you made was smart and what I plan on doing.
Good review and thanks for staying on point. Appreciate the experience shared
Precision Property Maintenance it’s a miracle for me to stay on point. Thanks for noticing 😂😂. Still no regrets whatsoever.
We just made a very similar switch. Had a 2016 f150 5.0 and traded in for a 2011 f350 6.2. Our camper is roughly 30' 7000#. Towed it with the new truck for the first time yesterday and it really was night and day difference. Almost no sway or bounce at all. Even though the 5.0 was very close in power to the 6.2, the extra 20lbs of torque and higher gears (3.73) make it feel much more powerful and it rides almost a gear higher than the 150 did. Great review, I didn't find your videos until after I bought the f350, but your pros and cons are spot on. I don't regret getting the gas over diesel either. Where we live diesel is almost $1 more a gallon and the maintenance cost is way more. If we had a larger trailer it might be a different story. Only thing I might add is for those thinking of making the switch, spend the little extra money for the 350 if you can find one. The overload springs and extra payload are nice.
Glenpxc also if you do go diesel a 350 is a must. Some 250 diesels have lower payloads than their half ton counterpart.
Not a camper, if you tow it it's a trailer
Difference between a 5.0 and 6.2 are a lot more than and extra 20lbft. The whole torque curve is different and much lower. 5.0 is a go fast motor and it loves to rev.
@@WanderingWeekends reason is a 10000lb GVWR with an 7300lb(gas) 8000lb (diesel) curb weight. My 19 F350 6.7 Lariat Crew Cab 8' 4x4 is 8300lb with GVWR of 11500. I have a 5th wheel and needed the extra capacity. Family of 6 totalling out at 890lbs with car seats that leaves 2310lbs for the pin weight. If I bought a 250 I would have 800lbs legal payload left just like my F150 when pulling the 5th wheel. If you are over the GVWR or either GAWRs in the event of a collision you have no insurance(over weight = no coverage) operating the vehicle outside of its designed specifications
overloads are fairly cheap
Beautiful truck buddy. Black on black is sharp. You generally don’t see a ton of well optioned F250’s with the gasser. Usually it’s white steel wheeled work trucks.
THETOPGLOCK I appreciate it! Low miles as well. Love a black vehicle. Tough to keep clean but I need the exercise anyway.
Thanks for this. You hit the points that have been my questions with this video and your first video when you first made the switch to the F250. Your 1st video described our dilemna perfect. 2012 ecoboost, supercab, 6.5 ft bed pulling 25 ft Salem (30ft total) 7700 lb rating. We added a camper shell. When we add in the kayaks, bikes, full tank of gas and keep minimum water in trailer and holding tanks, things were a bit "floaty" (great description).
First year we had the trailer & no shell we did 2000 mile trip through BC and several trips around Idaho & Montana. We averaged 11 or 12 mpg. Our last big trip to Arizona last year, about 8 or 9 mpg but, we were on more interstate and fast Nevda highways with lots of wind.
Now, I'm seriously considering moving up to 3/4 ton. Going to a crew cab and keeping a 6.5 ft bed, overall length goes up 18 " but, it will still fit in my garage (barely).
Clyde Peppin so glad to help!! You won’t regret a 3/4 ton!
With a family and road trips, creature comforts come in handy. It is different if just yourself.
I love my 2015 F150 Ecoboost 3.5 4x4, but I've always wanted a 3/4 ton. And I don't want diesel! Like you, I want Lariat or above, my F150 is Platinum.
Once you go 3/4 you may never go back! haha
New owner of F250 6.7 diesel. Not to knock a man's truck. My dealer let me hook up my rig to both the gas and diesel... It is night and day. The trucks were 2400 dollars more than gas and I do not regret it. The 6.7 is a blast.
No worries brother! I love a diesel... the sound, the smell, the torque... I simply don't need one in my application. You'll love your truck for a long time. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Ford charge like $9K for diesel. Where did you get the $2,400 difference? Other options maybe?
@@fuzzywigglebutt They had 2 Lariats 1 gas and 1 diesel gas was 2019 diesel was 2018 all same options 2400.00 more for the 2018 diesel...I don't know about anywhere else now. You maybe right. That was the 2 I was looking 1st
@@fuzzywigglebutt I own a landscaping business and tow everyday. I WOULDNT trade back for the F150 ecoboost for the world. Except when I comes to the maintenance. It cost a good bit more
@@DannyParkerDirty Probably right if you caught the 2018 going out and 2019 coming in stock. I bought a 2018 F150 for $10K less than they were willing to sell the 2019. If you tow everyday, I can understand wanting the F250 diesel. I was just wondering where the $2,400 difference in cost came from but 2018 versus 2019 explains that part. :-)
One of the other hardly talked about pro for gasser over diesel is more payload due to the lighter gas engine. Also, having the extra weight of a 250 over 150 really helps with stability and safety when towing a big trailer or something with a lot of wind drag.
I have the 2017 Super Duty. Drove it from PA to Savannah then Charleston and back to PA this past summer. Averaged about 16 and change on the highway. Left on a full tank filled up once in NC and cruised on in to Savannah with gas to spare. I thought it was fine. The ride to us was very smooth, not truck like at all. I will say though, with no weight, if I hit a manhole cover, or a piece of road that the snow plows messed up, it will bounce that ass end around! Annoys me every time! ( I do try to miss all those as well.) I'm getting about 11-12 around town like you. No regrets at all though. I love it. And yes, it is a big truck, especially when your 5'7" Thanks for sharing.
oh man I hear you. I regularly hit snow filled potholed roads near my home and I better slow down because the rear dances around in a scary way. But that's with any front heavy pickup truck. I know I know, I should add weight in the bed in winter. I just go slow.
Diesels are just amazing for getting a heavy load up and rolling and then getting good fuel mileage while towing. Hate the maintenance cost but once you go diesel it's hard to go back to gas.
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Gas and diesel is a night and day difference. Those 6.7s are outstanding engines. If you would have test towed your trailer with a powerstroke you would have been very impressed. Nice and powerful, and all the passing power in the world.
Nick Schmit I don’t doubt that at all! This one fit the budget and is more than I need. Diesel could be in my distant future but I’m very content with this 6.2 right now.
Two different technologies and if you can afford to buy then maintain that diesel then the diesel is a no-brainer. I'd caution anyone that the diesel engine is not for the backyard mechanic and repairs on them can be super expensive. We had an injector pump take a crap on a 6.4 F-350 at work to the tune of $4200. I can probably buy a short block 6.2 gas engine for that and replace it myself without having to remove the cab.
Had a 6.7 that blew up at 130k. Happened to a buddy of mine too and neither trucks were run hard on a regular basis. I'd rather be Cummin than stroking personally but to each is own 🤙😂
I have an 03 F250 with the 5.4. XLT extended cab 4x4. On a good day I get probably 14 highway. But I've gotten around that even while towing. I have pulled cars with it, a tractor, skid steers and full dump trailers and honestly never even felt the trailer behind me. Its honestly a very solid truck and I'm glad I picked it. I was at a crossroad with the same exact truck but a 6.0 and it was double what my current truck cost. I can definitely say my next truck will still be the Gas Super Duty. And I drive diesel all the time but the amount of issues we have run into with diesel trucks is not worth paying more for a truck to have more expensive problems
I love my 2011 f250 6.2 ..over 300000
I recently went from an F-150 to an F-250 diesel. I miss my F-150 ride quality and gas mileage :-(
But I bought it for towing and it’s awesome at doing that.
Ok , I got a lot of towing experience and let me tell you. Diesel engine has a lot of torque and it doesn’t have to downshift as often as gas motor. Gas motor has more power with higher rpms so it shifts constantly. I tow a 7000 lbs on a daily basis and I been doing it with diesel for years and truck holding it together like it’s nothing, but on the other end I was using my gas excursion to tow same trailer for about three months and killed my transmission from constant shifting. The dealer was right, you will regret buying a gas truck unless you tow for fun . I put 1000miles/wk and I say diesel is the only way.
If you say you don't want to buy a diesel, I suggest you never test drive one. Because once you do it's like crack, the ridiculous power is addicting
Dan K that’s what worries me! I’m an old hot rod guy... I’d get in trouble. 😂😂
Dan K ...Bingo!!
The one major con to owning a diesel is the repair cost. That 6.2 will give great service with very little issues. I worked on diesels for over 10 years and the one thing they all had in common was how expensive it was to repair anything under the hood. I love the power but if you're not towing really heavy loads than stay away from them. That's just my experience with them.
@Everett Crawford you've got to let me know how you get such great milage. Driving very gently while empty I don't see nearly those numbers. 18 mpg average on only hwy after a dpf delete.
I would add that it depends on where you live too. If I lived in the South, which I have (Georgia and Alabama), a naturally aspired gas motor would be just fine. But in the mountains out west of the Mississippi, an HD diesel truck is almost a must if your towing over 6500lbs on a regular basis. Not just because the altitude, but the high winds, steep grades, and extreme cold and hot weather......did I mention the HIGH winds and extreme temps!?
Over the past 30 years, I've had six diesel pickups and one gas pickup. I've never had a problem selling the diesel trucks. The last three were sold before I even advertised them. In fact, the last truck I sold in the parking lot of a Ford dealer to someone who saw me drive into the dealer, and then chased me down and offered to buy it. If you tow or haul in mountains where you can have 6% - 10% grades that are 3 - 10 miles long, a diesel makes driving far easier because of the torque going uphill and the exhaust brake going down. I'll pay the difference in costs for the better (easier) driving experience. The only HD gas truck I would consider is the new Ford 7.3 because that motor is specifically designed for towing and hauling.
Yes, the EPA keeps reducing the performance gap between diesel and gas, and you have to be meticulous about preventive maintenance on the diesel if you want it to perform reliably. I have had zero issues with my trucks that have had DEF and a DPF, but I rarely do short errands. As an example, a trip to the doctor, for me, is a 40 mile round trip.
If you know about FORScan and understand how to use it, you can program the truck to have a manual regeneration mode. If you're idling a lot, or do short trips where the truck does not warm up adequately for automatic regen, you can set the truck to alert you to needing regen which you can do in about 20 minutes in your driveway.
The comments I read about diesels seem to be from people who have never owned them and are projecting a lot of problems or issues they've read about, but have zero personal experience with. I'll pay the additional costs associated with the diesel simply because I think the driving experience with a fully loaded truck/trailer is better than a gas motor. I may change my mind with the new 7.3 - but, that isn't even available for a test drive at this point.
And the diesel is really expensive to do routine services and very expensive to make repairs on
Routine service does cost more but the interval of required service is much longer making it a wash. My ram requires an oil change and fuel filter change every 15k miles so not bad at all. And doing it myself makes it pretty cheap.
I disagree my diesels runs for a lot less than my gas do
One thing that hit home for me, but likely isn't an issue so much now, was the transmissions. I own a '00 6.8l Ford Excursion Limited and the 4r100 is known for grenading behind the 7.3 with any kind of upgrades. I was after an Excursion, so those were my options. I spent $5k on my gas V10 truck, and have had minimal problems out of the drivetrain, even at 160k miles and almost 20 years old. The same truck with a 7.3 looked to be $7-10k more on initial purchase and then the strong possibility of having to drop ~$5k on a BTS trans...no thanks.
but they can go 400 thousand miles or more. they are built to last if you take care of them.
If you do the maintenance yourself it's not much different than gas. You can add a bypass oil filter and extend drain intervals something fierce, just start with good synthetics and they'll keep your engine happy for a Looooong time.
I Own a 2012 F-150 Lariet FX4 6.2 Ford Powered V8!
6.5 bed!
3:73 gear ratio!
6 speed automatic!
4WD!
Ingot Silver paint!
Platinum factory 2012 F-150! S&B Cold air intake!
Pedal command!
3 inch Exhaust system!
Super 44 flowmaster!
resonator delete!
5 inch exhaust tip!
Max towing 11,300 pounds!
Looking to buy one like that but I read the valve springs can break and grenade the motor(sometimes, or break and you can repair). I would swap them out if I buy, not a big job.
How can it intake 'cold air' if it is hot outside and in the engine bay. Biggest gimmick in the automotive parts industry - alleged CAI assemblies - you fell for it hook, line, sinker. Air is air - hate to burst your bubble... (no debating it)
Wasted so much money on that crap that does little than drain your wallet. You could have had F250 and done nothing to it.
Great video I own since new a 2002 F150 XLT 5.4 Triton 2 valve 4x4 with 4 speed auto 135,000 miles with 3.55 tow package and happy that I get 13 mpg.
Exactly right. I went from a 2008 Nissan Titan to a 2016 Titan XD diesel and was blown away with the towing difference. And although the XD isn’t called a 3/4 ton, it has the weight, power, classification and underpinnings of one. It’s all about the weight of the tow vehicle. A regular 1/2 ton is simply too light.
YOUR ECOBOOST ENGINE LASTED PAST 150000!!!! Wow, turbos just burn out engines, that’s just what’ll happen. So that’s pretty cool that you got up there in miles on one, maybe ford makes the truck ecoboosts better than the car ones
I have a F150 2.7 that gets 21 MPG on the highway. I would hate to do the same at 12 MPG for a daily driver. If everyone had a big trailer super duty's are the way to go. But if you only do light towing, a EcoBoost will save you money and give you a more comfortable ride!
No doubt!! I loved my EcoBoost for 6 years and 188k miles. Thank you for watching and commenting!
I have a ‘15 2.7 crew cab fx4 I tow a 34 foot travel trailer that weighs about 8k. It does it with no problem power wise but I would love to have more stability.
I have a ecoboost with 35s and i get 10 mpg
I have a 2012 F250 6.2 Gas. I purchased it New in Dec 2014 & had the truck for 5 yrs in Dec.. The truck was in limbo for 3 years when the Kentucky Truck Plant moved to Mexico. It was considered a new truck since it had never been titled. I got full factory warranty & a heck of a deal. I tow a 37FT 9500 lb loaded travel trailer like a breeze with WD & sway control. I now have only 50,000 on my truck & probably half of that is towing. No regrets or any mechanical issues at all so far. Contentment is the name of the game. If you tow within the trucks limits it does fine & a diesel for a F250 makes no sense to me. Like you said you loose about 800lbs of capacity because of the engine. A diesel would make more sense in a F350 or F450, if you need that kind of towing capacity & have that kind of money to spend. Great Video & kudos for saving for your kids schooling! We put our daughters threw. It's a good feeling to help your kids & be content with what you can afford.
Lol, any truck is going to be smooth when you load up in the back!
We sold a half ton to buy our Ram 3500 with 4:10 gears and the 6.4 Hemi. Night and day difference, no white knuckles in side winds and the tail is not wagging the dog. It’s not the tow rating it’s the payload that gets most 1/2 tons. If you are over and you have an accident in Canada you are at fault. Also in BC they will tow your trailer at your cost and the fines are substantial. Changing tires, shocks, airbags etc.will not make your half ton legal. Great video, thanks.