Operationally Gripen is better than competitors on all levels 1- cheap 2- Least turn around time 3- can takeoff and land on small strips even roads 4- less maintenance and high availability 5- best in class Aesa, electronic suit and weapons package 6- Similar components with Tejas and weapons package with Rafale Any body with a bit of common sense in Indian airforce would have ordered 100+ Gripen in 2015 itself
For real.. people are crazy after Rafales.. to me Foreign Twin Jet engines dont make sense, they make u very dependent on them.. Rafales are also very expensive.. Gripen actually has the best Active Stealth due to its Superior EW suite.. better than Rafale or Eurofighter.. and now we gonna make GE414 ourself.. so makes so much more sense🤷♂️ if we can actually get 25jets/year then its the best!!
Taree battya puree tarh saach hai per Marya bhi gripen bhee America ge 414engine ki technology share kartta hai Volvo company ge say spares parts kho jorr kar engine tyar kartee hai agar taree saree battya Maan kar hum gripen lay bhee layvtih fir bhee randi Ronna toh wahi chlaga kessa engine kaa abb bolo logo gripen
Train for 4.5 gen jets has been missed 15 yrs ago. Now if they r going to invest 20 billion dollars.. It would be 5th gen. Whether F35 or Kf 21 Boramae. Su 57 is out of question because Trump is coming and it was clear instructions there will be no waiver on CAATSA after S400. 😊
Saab Gripen is no-go, we already have Tejas MK1 and MK2 coming online in next 2 decades . Rafale is the only option, order qty 200 to bring the cost down and allow time to build assembly line in India, till then procure directly from France. The focus needs to be on developing and integrating Kaveri MK2 with 90 KN Thrust on Tejas aircraft. The government should spend money in acquiring flying testbed for a quick turnaround in testing of the Kaveri Engine within India.
Sabse bada problem ye hai ki Tejas can do all that grepen can do . Indigenous percentage hi important hai tho we can concentrate on Tejas Mk2 and AMCA . If we chose Indigenous fighter, only problem will be short term delay . If we have to chose foreign fighter then iur furst priority should be superiority in technology and performance , after that comes indigestion of parts.
@@Alexgreywizard sher to pala h beta tumhari kya jal rhi h jo h wo sb bhi sher h or jo honge wo bhi sher Pakistan to abhi tak Twin engine jet operate nhi kar paya 😂 Pak official ka khna h : single engine Jet are a cost effective solution we don't need twin engine jets 😂😂🤟🏻
mere hisab se Airforce ko L1 and L2 ke hisab se lena chaiye kam se kam 260. 60% and 40% ke ratio me 60% Gripen sasta hone ke karn or 40% Typhoon L2 me. Fir bad me trump ke ane ke bad negiotion kar ke F 15 par bath kar ke le lena chaiye russia se dependency kam karne ke liye. Fir apna program to chal hi raha hai usko or tej karne ki jarurat hai
It always was... Not only the ridiculously affordable running cost but also it's capability of being able to turn around on highways is very useful when PLA rocket force will target your airbases first thing in any war.
Gripen is definitely a good option for India, because our priority is cost effectiveness. Also we can use our uttam radar, irst, weapon package, jamming pod in gripen.
Rather than going to another foreign vendor, it would be more reasonable to get the avionics of the Tejas Mark 2 into large scale production and install suitable Tejas components into all available Jaguar, Mig 29 and Mirage airframes that we can get hold of. Atleast these are already in use and will help the Tejas production line.
The Gripen is a cool jet, but as far as India we should have a very similarly capable package in Tejas MK2, and MK1A is already on the way. 20 billion dollars would buy a LOT of indigenous platforms for the cost, I'd almost rather see it put towards more Netra MK1 and MK2 AWACS and then massively expand Tejas MK1A and MK2 orders. Also Sweden can offer very little geopolitical clout compared to the US or France and still relies on US engines too.
Gripes e is a formidable jet can defend skies well, it has gone through long evaluation cycle. The supply chain and procurement foe repairs and parts is very expensive for this jet
We should have given a follow on order of 36 more Rafale F3R after the intial batch of Rafales were delivered. 72 Rafales mean 4 squadrons. That's a decent stopgap measure until the Tejas MK1As and MK2s start to come in.
According to me we should conclude MRFA and procure 114 Rafel instead of rushing for 5th gen fighter. J31 is not a true 5th Gen fighter, even Chinese PLA also don't procuring it. On the other hand Rafael maybe 4.5 gen fighter but it's a trustworthy combat proven fighter. By using a strong networking we can detect and intercept J31 in a actual combat. Along with that we should consider a few squadron of Eurofighter with 114 Rafael as a stop gap measure. Since Dassult aviation is facing supply chain issue. While they are fixing their issues , we may procure Eurofighter on that turmoil period. Since both Rafael and Eurofighter uses Meteor , MICA missiles. So we can operate easily
No, We NEED stealth jets! Forget J 31, what about J 20s....AMCA will only be ready by 2035. By that time China will have 500 or more J 20s.....This will be A HUGE problem For IAF.....
@@dreamhunter2973 J20 is a white elephant, bulky semi-stealthy design. Just imagine how pathetic thrust/weight ratio would have J20 ? Even Su30 struggling in Ladakh, how could a bulky missile truck can fly even higher altitude of Tibet, with it's full capacity ? And forget about it's stealth characteristics, there multiple NATO experts even Russian expert have admitted that J20 has design issues. So J20 will not caused as much threat as we expected. But yes it may cause threat if they're deployed in numbers. I admit quantity has quality of it's own. And that particular problem we should address. Unless we can pretty much manage J20, by French Rafael or Eurofighter
Bro india's problem on Tejas MK1A or Mk2 is GE F404 n 414 Engine delivery from.US deliberately they r delaying So one good option is 1. Change 115 Su30 AL31 Jet engine with new AL41 (su 35 jet) engine from Russia 2. So v will get 230 Al31 Su30 engines This Al31 engines will work.for next 25 years easily So no issues for 230 Tejas Mk1A jets manufacturing in india So forget n drop MRFA project Solve the problem by above method
Since the day they Started MRFA , We were aware that SAAB was ready to give us 18 Gripen-E (Without Indian Specific mods) in fly-away condition at even lower price, By the time we started retiring our MIG-21, We should have bought these at-least as a Stop-Gap measure but unfortunately just because of "Sanctions" the Analyst just threw away all proposals sent by SAAB. Now the situation is like neither Rafale nor the Gripen-E. This is how good our Defense planning is.
India doesn't want to give 20 billion dollars deal to countries which have no geopolitical influence and veto power in UN whether Sweden or South Korea Though Gripen E is good choice given Dassault doesn't want to transfer TOT but in India Diplomatic scorings r more important than security. 20 billion dollars r either going to France/USA or no one.. Even if sqd drops to 15 in coming future 💁🏻♂️
Thank God Rajeev Gandhi didn't believe in similar things and went ahead to purchase Bofors guns from Sweden otherwise Indian losses in Kargil war would have been many times higher .
@@abhilashyadav2274 He didn't do it for national security but his own kickbacks. Given Bofors get blacklisted in 1990s and we didn't have enough spares during kargil.. Resulting canabilising other Bofors and finally lifting ban on Bofors. Due to congress socialist policies.. Govt owned ordnance factory never grew and we had to import 155mm artillery shells during kargil under emergency procurement.
The IAF projected a requirement for about 126 aircraft in 2001, when the strength was at 39.5 squadrons (down from 45) and..................... RFI for MRCA was put out in 2001...............
Only reason we should go for a new aircraft type for MRFA is if we get a 5th gen jet. I would suggest going for 72 rafeal, and pouring all extra funds into tejas mk2 development so it can be delivered on time (better if it can be fast tracked)
You will need to Overhaul them, Engine ka fir panga hoga. They use Rolls-Royce EJ200 engines (Tranche 1 Block 5). Plus it would then require India specific adaptations. Radar is old, you will try to put an AESA radar on it. It has an inbuilt IRST, that might be a saving grace but it will not be worth it, for sure. All your Indian made missiles will have to be paired with this. You wont be able to use the meteors that you bought for the Rafales with this... so you'll have to purchase AMRAAMS and Sidewinders from USA... By which you're again stuck in the supply chain delays. The Eurofighter Typhoon is the same category as your Rafale, whats the bloody point of operating two platforms of the same type? This is again like buying F15s. stupid stupid idea, given you already have a massive fleet of su30mki. overhaul them, bring them up to contemporary standards. we even manufacture the bloody engines for Su30s
We should actually buy Gripen tbh. Tejas MK2 and Gripen E are similar. If they are ready to give access to mission computer code and integrate our radars and subsystems and give 100% TOT on their end we should not in that case spend our time making an Indian Gripen rather focus resources and time in AMCA
Going with Saab's Gripen E, in my opinion will be a compromise. Can we confidently say that we will have an upper hand even while dealing with F-16 block 70? Unfortunately situation is not conducive to take F15eX. so, may be take a risk and go for Su-57 or even Su-75.
When Pakistan is going for 5th generation aircrafts, gripen-e which has capabilities in between tejas-1a and tejas-mark-2 again the indigenous tejas-mark-1a which is facing supply chain issue with ge-404 engines and what is the guarantee that gripen-e which also uses ge-414 engines would not face the same supply chain issues as we are already stuck up with GE engines for tejas-mark-1a and possibly with tejas -mark-2 why make the same mistake again by going for gripen-E.
Tejas only exists on paper. It's better to buy an aircraft that actually exists, has been tested, deployed, purchased by another country (Brazil). Tejas program needs to be scrapped. It's a massive waste of resources. The HAL contract should be cancelled completely. And let SAAB start a production facility in India.
@@AB-yn2rz problem is with the GE engine, now presently tejas-mark-1a is struck up due to GE supply chain issue, tejas-1/ 1a is not in paper but already 40 tejas-1 is flying even tejas-mark-1a is also flying and saab gripen-E again has GE Engines.
As far as ge-414 production line in India it is not even in paper because till date no agreement for any production line for ge-414 engines exists in India, still negotiations are on between GE official and indian defence related institutions officials for TOT and starting of production line in India , till date ONLY an MOU(MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING) was signed between India and USA few years back to EXPLORE the possibility of ToT and production line for ge-414 engine but TILL DATE no firm agreement or deal has been reached for either TOT(TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY) or production of GE 414 engine india so as far production line for Ge-414 engine is concerned TILL TODAY'S DATE DOES NOT EXIST EVEN IN THE PAPER as no firm agreement has been signed till date.
@@sigma-sigma1 Even the 83 mk1a order isn't complete and another order for 97 more aircraft was given. At least that should be scrapped. And the gripen will have the GE-414 that is licence produced in Sweden and India will produce it soon. The best course is to go for Gripen while scrapping the Mk2 at least along with the 97 additional orders of Mk1a. Let's end it with 83 at max.
@@AB-yn2rz the fulfilment of 83 tejas -mark-1a has not even started because till date not even single tejas-mark-1a has been handed over to IAf ONE AMONG THE important reason is delay in supply of GE engines.
If you look in the past Gripen fighter jets of Sweden have successfully challenged the Russian inventory ,they come with class avionics,radar and electronics,situational awareness,European armaments that are of same type as used in Rafael ,its turn around time is less ,less on maintenance and importantly they are willing to up your skill set and infrastructure it will help home grown Tejas as well the threat is real with China and Pakistan.Pakistan have AWACS of Sweden supplied by SAAB and advent of Gripen in India will counter them easily and if they go for Chinese AWACS it will raise cost and inventory, by buying Gripen you strategically counter their AWACS then Chinese J 31 does not pose much of an(immediate) challenge if you can detect them fast though later we can negotiate with the Russians , Americans for 5th generation or we can become part of fighter jet development programme of Britain's Tempest and we also need sea planes that can be from Japan as first Choice second can be Russians which will be cost effective for Navy to meet varied Challenges,we also need AWACS most of them being sleek not Bulky as proposed on Boeing Platforms and evidently wish list of dire need is big say trainer fighter aircraft , your big inventory of Drones and countermeasures , helicopter fleet,Missiles,guided bombs and rockets...
One word answer: Yes. Not as expensive as Rafle but it's not a slouch either. At least much better then the Russian fighters we have. We can't get F-16 cause Pakistan already have them. So if we can't get more Rafale this is the next best deal.
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But if we aquiried single. Engine aircraft then what's the point supply chain issue same hoga GE will only make 30 engine max If we look that way we can just make body of Tejas and then later after we recieved new engine we will put it in the all readymade aircraft body in 5 yr we will see same results
Gripen ek ideal option ho sakta hai for IAF. Pak Qatar ke Rafale ke saath train kar reha hai.. PAK ke paas FC-31 started inducting.. and Upar sae very big PLAAF.. that is why Gripen agar IAF aa jaye toh surprise package ho jayega for PAK and PLAAF.. Single jet hai and easily scramble kar sakte hain agains enemies.
it may be Surprise for PAF but PLAAF is conducting exercises regularly with Royal Thai Air Force and RTAF is using Gripens. "The RTAF and People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) have conducted a joint exercise known as Falcon Strike five times since 2015 during which Thailand deployed Saab Gripen Cs against advanced Chinese Chengdu J-10s and Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning aircraft. In 2022, Thailand also used German-made Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet light attack aircraft." from Aviation Week website article published on July 19 2023.
Tight now we have every technology that can be replaced in saab griphen E aircraft Weather it be Aesa radars Air to air missiles RWR, Jammers, and now local production of GE F414 engines as well
MRFA are for aircrafts which can can heavy payloads and can strike much deeper then Tejas mk2 for comparison, Gripen is as good as mk2, but not in the segment IAF is looking for.
Honestly after Rafael most suitable fighter jet is gripen e for iaf but question is when will we going to initiate the whole process we are hearing this from eternity now, while our navy is quick in decision making where as our iaf is working in snails pace other than mrfa ,mta ,awacs , refuling aircarft tendors are still pending only god knows when we going to conclude them.
Getting a same fighter with equal capabilities like the MK2 makes no sense at all. If price is an issue, it's better to go for Mig 35 with complete TOT including Engine tech and inclusion of desi tech like Radars, SPJ, Astras, etc. It will be cheaper per unit than Gripen infact.
I disagree, Rafal 115 million ,extra 35 million is for extra engine and more payload. two engine will affect you flying cost, so its not much diff. Rafale got more fuel, longer range, better payload and less geopolitics
Kya Bakchodi krte ho, lena hai tho rafale ya F35 lo, kyuki single engine tejas mark 1a, tejas mark 2 ko mass produce, India bhi krr sakta hai lekin twin engine TEDBF aur AMCA ko time 10 years lagega.
@@Olivegreen-p8t Kaunsi duniya se aaye ho bhai ? F-35 is not even made to be a dogfighter but a literal flying super computer with highest situational awareness in the world of fighter jets. Even it's design suggest that it is meant for BVR engagements and deep strike missions in enemy territory. However, the platform is so much sophisticated that it is so difficult to maintain and comes with restrictions by the US.
Though im not a defence expert nor directly concerned with Indian military interests but even I can analyze that this cannot be the one for IAF, as I have been observing the trends, likes and preferences, IAF cannot choose an option which itself is dependant upon US and EU techs, so in a nutshell, KA-50 can be a better option for IAF as it is created by primarily a single source.
Flight of 4.5 gen jets has been missed 20 yrs ago. Now if they are going to import something.. It would be 5th gen jet. Be it F35 or Kf21 Boramae. They r waiting for US general election. Only Trump can take such decision..
MRFA is not happening. Even if they start process now the delivery won’t happen before Tejas MK2 available. So better they scale up Tejas MK2 infrastructure
what if India buy gripen without their radar and irst sensor and integrates our own sensors as we are developing sensor for Tejas and amca. it will keep cost down and also increase indigenization and it have been done in past in case of jaguars?
Comparison should be with LCA TEJAS.. AND whar India will do if USA question on GE engine they can put pressure on India through choking supply lines to Sweden when subject comes to engine related spare parts and after sale service
Super mig29 will be two engine rafala with same wiopon rader avionics ews capability next generation advance from f1670 block and gripen e. But meteor here replace by astra2/3.now wait😮for😢super mirage 2000 upgrade😮at Hyderabad rafala mirage overwhoul😢facility Here one francr😮rafala repair by India in😢taran shakti.
Biggest problem with Gripen is not it's foreign parts but Tejas MKII. Same timeline. Why not buy more capable fighter at that same timeline, unless we are not sure about Tejas MKII's effectiveness..
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Please no more MRFA news..you guys have milked it to the maximum 😅..
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@@samalexzander924 Agreed 💯
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Going for Gripen will simply prove that Tejas is a failure.
According to this TH-cam specialist tejas already sold to many country 😂
Tejas is indeed a failure as a project even if it is a good aircraft on paper.
Exactly
Tejas samosa 100% failure after 50 years
@@AB-yn2rz Tejas is a failure but Tejas MKII will not be. It will be comparable to F-16 at least
Operationally Gripen is better than competitors on all levels
1- cheap
2- Least turn around time
3- can takeoff and land on small strips even roads
4- less maintenance and high availability
5- best in class Aesa, electronic suit and weapons package
6- Similar components with Tejas and weapons package with Rafale
Any body with a bit of common sense in Indian airforce would have ordered 100+ Gripen in 2015 itself
For real.. people are crazy after Rafales.. to me Foreign Twin Jet engines dont make sense, they make u very dependent on them.. Rafales are also very expensive..
Gripen actually has the best Active Stealth due to its Superior EW suite.. better than Rafale or Eurofighter.. and now we gonna make GE414 ourself.. so makes so much more sense🤷♂️ if we can actually get 25jets/year then its the best!!
Taree battya puree tarh saach hai per Marya bhi gripen bhee America ge 414engine ki technology share kartta hai Volvo company ge say spares parts kho jorr kar engine tyar kartee hai agar taree saree battya Maan kar hum gripen lay bhee layvtih fir bhee randi Ronna toh wahi chlaga kessa engine kaa abb bolo logo gripen
@@kanhyasah6342 Abe Bhai GE Ke engine ka MRO facility hai Pune mei aur Gripen E mei Volvo ka engine use nhi hota proper GE ka hota hai
Train for 4.5 gen jets has been missed 15 yrs ago.
Now if they r going to invest 20 billion dollars.. It would be 5th gen.
Whether F35 or Kf 21 Boramae.
Su 57 is out of question because Trump is coming and it was clear instructions there will be no waiver on CAATSA after S400. 😊
Tejas Mk2 me bhi F414 lagega toh koi problem hai hi nahi. Pehle lene se ab Tejas Mk2 drop kar dete aur AMCA pe pura dhyan lagate.@@kanhyasah6342
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Forget about MRFA, I love the photo of Gripen. Really beautiful jet..
MRFA is just a Bruh moment of our country.
Edging to this rn
@@devanshudwivedi5875 erm, what the sigma?
@@kattonnn69 You iPad kids I swear. Gen Alphas have no good lingos. Makes no sense to begin with
@@devanshudwivedi5875 MRFA program really do be edging all of us ngl
Saab Gripen is no-go, we already have Tejas MK1 and MK2 coming online in next 2 decades . Rafale is the only option, order qty 200 to bring the cost down and allow time to build assembly line in India, till then procure directly from France. The focus needs to be on developing and integrating Kaveri MK2 with 90 KN Thrust on Tejas aircraft. The government should spend money in acquiring flying testbed for a quick turnaround in testing of the Kaveri Engine within India.
Sabse bada problem ye hai ki Tejas can do all that grepen can do . Indigenous percentage hi important hai tho we can concentrate on Tejas Mk2 and AMCA . If we chose Indigenous fighter, only problem will be short term delay . If we have to chose foreign fighter then iur furst priority should be superiority in technology and performance , after that comes indigestion of parts.
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@@Alexgreywizard sher to pala h beta tumhari kya jal rhi h jo h wo sb bhi sher h or jo honge wo bhi sher
Pakistan to abhi tak Twin engine jet operate nhi kar paya 😂
Pak official ka khna h : single engine Jet are a cost effective solution we don't need twin engine jets 😂😂🤟🏻
mere hisab se Airforce ko L1 and L2 ke hisab se lena chaiye kam se kam 260. 60% and 40% ke ratio me 60% Gripen sasta hone ke karn or 40% Typhoon L2 me. Fir bad me trump ke ane ke bad negiotion kar ke F 15 par bath kar ke le lena chaiye russia se dependency kam karne ke liye. Fir apna program to chal hi raha hai usko or tej karne ki jarurat hai
In short Tejas mk 2 is a dream, Gripen E is reality. And IAF prefers to be in dream rather than facing reality😂😂
It always was... Not only the ridiculously affordable running cost but also it's capability of being able to turn around on highways is very useful when PLA rocket force will target your airbases first thing in any war.
And the panic begins😂well done PAF
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Gripen is definitely a good option for India, because our priority is cost effectiveness. Also we can use our uttam radar, irst, weapon package, jamming pod in gripen.
Rather than going to another foreign vendor, it would be more reasonable to get the avionics of the Tejas Mark 2 into large scale production and install suitable Tejas components into all available Jaguar, Mig 29 and Mirage airframes that we can get hold of. Atleast these are already in use and will help the Tejas production line.
The Gripen is a cool jet, but as far as India we should have a very similarly capable package in Tejas MK2, and MK1A is already on the way. 20 billion dollars would buy a LOT of indigenous platforms for the cost, I'd almost rather see it put towards more Netra MK1 and MK2 AWACS and then massively expand Tejas MK1A and MK2 orders. Also Sweden can offer very little geopolitical clout compared to the US or France and still relies on US engines too.
Honestly, if we can indigenize this fighter as much as possible then I'd say this is a better choice than the Rafale.
Gripes e is a formidable jet can defend skies well, it has gone through long evaluation cycle. The supply chain and procurement foe repairs and parts is very expensive for this jet
I have always said that gripen e was the best platform.
Considering grippen is like we have lower the standereds for MRFA
India simply needs to order them and even other Aircrafts.
100 Gripen
100 Rafaels
100-150 SU-57s
Bhai paisa aap denge kya
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We should have given a follow on order of 36 more Rafale F3R after the intial batch of Rafales were delivered. 72 Rafales mean 4 squadrons. That's a decent stopgap measure until the Tejas MK1As and MK2s start to come in.
Mmrca ke under Gripen Purchase karne ka pura paise hum Tejas mk2 ke production ko tej karne mai lagaye to ye eese better options rahega
I think the Rebel Alliance's X Wing Starfighter is the optimal choice for MRFA.
Gripen e is good option..... Tot nd support locally hum aage parts manufacturer bn skte hai
According to me we should conclude MRFA and procure 114 Rafel instead of rushing for 5th gen fighter. J31 is not a true 5th Gen fighter, even Chinese PLA also don't procuring it. On the other hand Rafael maybe 4.5 gen fighter but it's a trustworthy combat proven fighter. By using a strong networking we can detect and intercept J31 in a actual combat. Along with that we should consider a few squadron of Eurofighter with 114 Rafael as a stop gap measure. Since Dassult aviation is facing supply chain issue. While they are fixing their issues , we may procure Eurofighter on that turmoil period. Since both Rafael and Eurofighter uses Meteor , MICA missiles. So we can operate easily
No, We NEED stealth jets! Forget J 31, what about J 20s....AMCA will only be ready by 2035. By that time China will have 500 or more J 20s.....This will be A HUGE problem For IAF.....
We can not win war with foreign weapons . Supply hi nhi karega prts ajj kal ka war 5,10 saal hota Hain . Ukrain war av 3 years ko hone wala Hain
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@@dreamhunter2973 J20 is a white elephant, bulky semi-stealthy design. Just imagine how pathetic thrust/weight ratio would have J20 ? Even Su30 struggling in Ladakh, how could a bulky missile truck can fly even higher altitude of Tibet, with it's full capacity ? And forget about it's stealth characteristics, there multiple NATO experts even Russian expert have admitted that J20 has design issues. So J20 will not caused as much threat as we expected. But yes it may cause threat if they're deployed in numbers. I admit quantity has quality of it's own. And that particular problem we should address. Unless we can pretty much manage J20, by French Rafael or Eurofighter
@@dreamhunter2973 2030- 600 j20
2035 - 1000 j20 and bproduction close
India -amca first flight 2035 mein hi hoga isse pehle nahin hoga Bhai
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We need to go for Second Hand Rafale F3R from Egypt and France and Procure 36 new Rafale and then we must buy Su 57
Lmfao Egypt waale Rafale kyu bechenge
At my point of view this aircraft is proper set for Indian Airforce by cost and many more things...
Jai hind jai bharat🇮🇳🇮🇳
Ultimately they are gonna buy 60 rafales - 36 for airforce and 26 fot navy for a total of 10.8 billion $
Airforce chief ne mujhe bataya hai
18 billion dollars atleat
India should go for it
Bro india's problem on Tejas MK1A or Mk2 is GE F404 n 414 Engine delivery from.US deliberately they r delaying
So one good option is
1. Change 115 Su30 AL31 Jet engine with new AL41 (su 35 jet) engine from Russia
2. So v will get 230 Al31 Su30 engines
This Al31 engines will work.for next 25 years easily
So no issues for 230 Tejas Mk1A jets manufacturing in india
So forget n drop MRFA project
Solve the problem by above method
The engine on Su-30mki is a heavy engine while Tejas uses light engine
The AL-31 can't be integrated with Tejas
83+97 Tejas Mk 1a
200 Tejas Mk 2
100 Amca Mk1 and Mk2
MRFA Deal
Because We would retire Mig 21 Mig 29 Mirage 2000 and Jaguar
Since the day they Started MRFA , We were aware that SAAB was ready to give us 18 Gripen-E (Without Indian Specific mods) in fly-away condition at even lower price, By the time we started retiring our MIG-21, We should have bought these at-least as a Stop-Gap measure but unfortunately just because of "Sanctions" the Analyst just threw away all proposals sent by SAAB. Now the situation is like neither Rafale nor the Gripen-E. This is how good our Defense planning is.
India doesn't want to give 20 billion dollars deal to countries which have no geopolitical influence and veto power in UN whether Sweden or South Korea
Though Gripen E is good choice given Dassault doesn't want to transfer TOT but in India Diplomatic scorings r more important than security.
20 billion dollars r either going to France/USA or no one.. Even if sqd drops to 15 in coming future 💁🏻♂️
Thank God Rajeev Gandhi didn't believe in similar things and went ahead to purchase Bofors guns from Sweden otherwise Indian losses in Kargil war would have been many times higher .
@@abhilashyadav2274 He didn't do it for national security but his own kickbacks.
Given Bofors get blacklisted in 1990s and we didn't have enough spares during kargil.. Resulting canabilising other Bofors and finally lifting ban on Bofors.
Due to congress socialist policies.. Govt owned ordnance factory never grew and we had to import 155mm artillery shells during kargil under emergency procurement.
@@nishantshrivastava9674 He imported artillery for his own kickbacks ? Must've been a helluva kick from those bofors guns .
@@abhilashyadav2274 Not kicks.. 🤣🤦🏻♂️
Kickbacks as in bribe
@@nishantshrivastava9674 but you cannot deny the importance of bofors howitzers in the kargil war
It's proved that IAF does not happy with low quality Tejas fighter jet, that's why try to acquire single engine fighter jet like Gripen...
The channels information is so wrong he's comparing Gripen with typhoon n rafale, they're superior fighters than Gripen, Gripen is comparable to F16s
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The IAF projected a requirement for about 126 aircraft in 2001, when the strength was at 39.5 squadrons (down from 45) and..................... RFI for MRCA was put out in 2001...............
Only reason we should go for a new aircraft type for MRFA is if we get a 5th gen jet.
I would suggest going for 72 rafeal, and pouring all extra funds into tejas mk2 development so it can be delivered on time (better if it can be fast tracked)
British airforce is retiring 200 eurofighter typoon of tranche 1 ...which has 25 yesrs left ....we should buyit
25 saal purane hi retire karne lag gye we
You will need to Overhaul them, Engine ka fir panga hoga. They use Rolls-Royce EJ200 engines (Tranche 1 Block 5). Plus it would then require India specific adaptations. Radar is old, you will try to put an AESA radar on it. It has an inbuilt IRST, that might be a saving grace but it will not be worth it, for sure. All your Indian made missiles will have to be paired with this. You wont be able to use the meteors that you bought for the Rafales with this... so you'll have to purchase AMRAAMS and Sidewinders from USA... By which you're again stuck in the supply chain delays.
The Eurofighter Typhoon is the same category as your Rafale, whats the bloody point of operating two platforms of the same type? This is again like buying F15s. stupid stupid idea, given you already have a massive fleet of su30mki. overhaul them, bring them up to contemporary standards. we even manufacture the bloody engines for Su30s
@@bonecracker97 F 15 are much better than su 30mki .
Gripen is perfect choice for iaf
We are waiting for MRFA deal for the past 10 years & still counting. God knows when it is gonna happen.
MRFA is not gonna happen
State of Indian defence TH-camrs is farcical at this point 😂
Su-57mki it's a best and a beast for J-20 and j-31
We should actually buy Gripen tbh. Tejas MK2 and Gripen E are similar. If they are ready to give access to mission computer code and integrate our radars and subsystems and give 100% TOT on their end we should not in that case spend our time making an Indian Gripen rather focus resources and time in AMCA
MRFA will be distant dream ,कुछ खवाब पुरे नहीं होते भाई
This MRFA is like Indian urban legend....
Going with Saab's Gripen E, in my opinion will be a compromise. Can we confidently say that we will have an upper hand even while dealing with F-16 block 70? Unfortunately situation is not conducive to take F15eX. so, may be take a risk and go for Su-57 or even Su-75.
The biggest problem with Swedish system is their constant supply of AWACS systems to Porkistaan
Bhai hum to ye 10 -12 sal se MRFA deal ko sun rahe h ho jaye tab video bana dena 15 -20 sal to lag jayenge tab tak 😂
Tejas is the final solution to MRFA 😜
Too good to be true.
Can we have a comparison of gripes e with rafale
Rafael is better and it’s not even a debate
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SAAB Gripen E will cannibalize the scope of sales for Tejas MK II.
When Pakistan is going for 5th generation aircrafts, gripen-e which has capabilities in between tejas-1a and tejas-mark-2 again the indigenous tejas-mark-1a which is facing supply chain issue with ge-404 engines and what is the guarantee that gripen-e which also uses ge-414 engines would not face the same supply chain issues as we are already stuck up with GE engines for tejas-mark-1a and possibly with tejas -mark-2 why make the same mistake again by going for gripen-E.
Tejas only exists on paper. It's better to buy an aircraft that actually exists, has been tested, deployed, purchased by another country (Brazil). Tejas program needs to be scrapped. It's a massive waste of resources. The HAL contract should be cancelled completely. And let SAAB start a production facility in India.
@@AB-yn2rz problem is with the GE engine, now presently tejas-mark-1a is struck up due to GE supply chain issue, tejas-1/ 1a is not in paper but already 40 tejas-1 is flying even tejas-mark-1a is also flying and saab gripen-E again has GE Engines.
As far as ge-414 production line in India it is not even in paper because till date no agreement for any production line for ge-414 engines exists in India, still negotiations are on between GE official and indian defence related institutions officials for TOT and starting of production line in India , till date ONLY an MOU(MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING) was signed between India and USA few years back to EXPLORE the possibility of ToT and production line for ge-414 engine but TILL DATE no firm agreement or deal has been reached for either TOT(TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY) or production of GE 414 engine india so as far production line for Ge-414 engine is concerned TILL TODAY'S DATE DOES NOT EXIST EVEN IN THE PAPER as no firm agreement has been signed till date.
@@sigma-sigma1 Even the 83 mk1a order isn't complete and another order for 97 more aircraft was given. At least that should be scrapped. And the gripen will have the GE-414 that is licence produced in Sweden and India will produce it soon. The best course is to go for Gripen while scrapping the Mk2 at least along with the 97 additional orders of Mk1a. Let's end it with 83 at max.
@@AB-yn2rz the fulfilment of 83 tejas -mark-1a has not even started because till date not even single tejas-mark-1a has been handed over to IAf ONE AMONG THE important reason is delay in supply of GE engines.
100 tejas mark 1a
200 tejas mark 2
No need of MRFA, Till then buy two squadrons of Rafale or F35
Go for Rafales not F 35
ok , yahan 1 tejas mk1a ma hal ko maut aa rahi ha itne tejas dene ma toh unko sadiyan lag jayengi
That means we have to wait till 2075 for these fighters
2080...aa jayega...
If you look in the past Gripen fighter jets of Sweden have successfully challenged the Russian inventory ,they come with class avionics,radar and electronics,situational awareness,European armaments that are of same type as used in Rafael ,its turn around time is less ,less on maintenance and importantly they are willing to up your skill set and infrastructure it will help home grown Tejas as well the threat is real with China and Pakistan.Pakistan have AWACS of Sweden supplied by SAAB and advent of Gripen in India will counter them easily and if they go for Chinese AWACS it will raise cost and inventory, by buying Gripen you strategically counter their AWACS then Chinese J 31 does not pose much of an(immediate) challenge if you can detect them fast though later we can negotiate with the Russians , Americans for 5th generation or we can become part of fighter jet development programme of Britain's Tempest and we also need sea planes that can be from Japan as first Choice second can be Russians which will be cost effective for Navy to meet varied Challenges,we also need AWACS most of them being sleek not Bulky as proposed on Boeing Platforms and evidently wish list of dire need is big say trainer fighter aircraft , your big inventory of Drones and countermeasures , helicopter fleet,Missiles,guided bombs and rockets...
Bhai aaj kitchen mein pressure cooker chal raha tha kya
One word answer: Yes. Not as expensive as Rafle but it's not a slouch either. At least much better then the Russian fighters we have. We can't get F-16 cause Pakistan already have them. So if we can't get more Rafale this is the next best deal.
Gripen is better than f16 but better tham russian jets we have? Try gripen in front of su30 💀
Makes sense.
When engine issue is sorted out by local assembling of GE f-404,and if radar is concerned Uttam AESA radar can easily substitute gripen's radar.
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Acceptance of necessity , RFI , DAC ,ccs bhai itna me to 20 years lagage or Tejas Mk2 v grippen se acha h
While Grippen E makes economic sense but would be humiliating to Tejas Mk 2 program and Indian engineering
But if we aquiried single. Engine aircraft then what's the point supply chain issue same hoga GE will only make 30 engine max
If we look that way we can just make body of Tejas and then later after we recieved new engine we will put it in the all readymade aircraft body in 5 yr we will see same results
Gripen ek ideal option ho sakta hai for IAF. Pak Qatar ke Rafale ke saath train kar reha hai.. PAK ke paas FC-31 started inducting.. and Upar sae very big PLAAF.. that is why Gripen agar IAF aa jaye toh surprise package ho jayega for PAK and PLAAF.. Single jet hai and easily scramble kar sakte hain agains enemies.
it may be Surprise for PAF but PLAAF is conducting exercises regularly with Royal Thai Air Force and RTAF is using Gripens. "The RTAF and People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) have conducted a joint exercise known as Falcon Strike five times since 2015 during which Thailand deployed Saab Gripen Cs against advanced Chinese Chengdu J-10s and Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning aircraft. In 2022, Thailand also used German-made Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet light attack aircraft." from Aviation Week website article published on July 19 2023.
काहणा तो नही चाहीये पर इस समय भारतीय वायुसेना बहोत मजबूर दिखाई दे रही हे
Tight now we have every technology that can be replaced in saab griphen E aircraft
Weather it be Aesa radars
Air to air missiles
RWR, Jammers, and now local production of GE F414 engines as well
Considering Gripen is acknowledging failure of Tejas MK1 and MK2. Gripen C is similar to MK1 and Gripen-E to Tejas MK2!
Gripen Saab uses the GE 404 engine if Saab has its own fighter jet engine most likely will qualify for a make-in-India contract.
AON, RFP hi nahi hua hai abhi tak to, gajab ke log hai bhai
Vayu Aerospace will have best day of their life 😂
MRFA are for aircrafts which can can heavy payloads and can strike much deeper then Tejas mk2 for comparison, Gripen is as good as mk2, but not in the segment IAF is looking for.
Astr3 test? 22th😮August to 23rd August Notam 365 km.
Honestly after Rafael most suitable fighter jet is gripen e for iaf but question is when will we going to initiate the whole process we are hearing this from eternity now, while our navy is quick in decision making where as our iaf is working in snails pace other than mrfa ,mta ,awacs , refuling aircarft tendors are still pending only god knows when we going to conclude them.
Not enough money to give Naidu...how to allocate for MRFA ?!!
There are some news about the Possible rollout of PF-X / JF-X, what do you think is it the upgrade of JF-17 or a license Copy of J-31/FC-31,.
Bhai.. Mat la mrfa ka news. or IAF k official nalle hai. N ya bana skte h n kharid sahi time se.
Getting a same fighter with equal capabilities like the MK2 makes no sense at all. If price is an issue, it's better to go for Mig 35 with complete TOT including Engine tech and inclusion of desi tech like Radars, SPJ, Astras, etc. It will be cheaper per unit than Gripen infact.
I disagree,
Rafal 115 million ,extra 35 million is for extra engine and more payload.
two engine will affect you flying cost, so its not much diff.
Rafale got more fuel, longer range, better payload and less geopolitics
Kya Bakchodi krte ho, lena hai tho rafale ya F35 lo, kyuki single engine tejas mark 1a, tejas mark 2 ko mass produce, India bhi krr sakta hai lekin twin engine TEDBF aur AMCA ko time 10 years lagega.
Nhi kar skta na ...america engine nhi derha hai....f35 ghnta dega
F 35 Mai to poora Pakistan aajayega 🙂🫠
@@indiastalks3345 bkwas hai f35..fat boy...even american pilots mock it...also single engine low survivability...su57 is a lot better
@@Olivegreen-p8t Kaunsi duniya se aaye ho bhai ?
F-35 is not even made to be a dogfighter but a literal flying super computer with highest situational awareness in the world of fighter jets. Even it's design suggest that it is meant for BVR engagements and deep strike missions in enemy territory. However, the platform is so much sophisticated that it is so difficult to maintain and comes with restrictions by the US.
@@SpiderWuss69420 against whom we require deep strike ??? And by deep strike means >500km into enemy territory...
Though im not a defence expert nor directly concerned with Indian military interests but even I can analyze that this cannot be the one for IAF, as I have been observing the trends, likes and preferences, IAF cannot choose an option which itself is dependant upon US and EU techs, so in a nutshell, KA-50 can be a better option for IAF as it is created by primarily a single source.
Flight of 4.5 gen jets has been missed 20 yrs ago.
Now if they are going to import something.. It would be 5th gen jet.
Be it F35 or Kf21 Boramae. They r waiting for US general election. Only Trump can take such decision..
Engine depends on usa . If it fr deal Tejas delay . we . must go for rafael which reduce logistics cost
MRFA is not happening. Even if they start process now the delivery won’t happen before Tejas MK2 available. So better they scale up Tejas MK2 infrastructure
11 years tadipaar and jumleshwar couldn't formalize fighter jet deal as commissions dint get finalized.
what if India buy gripen without their radar and irst sensor and integrates our own sensors as we are developing sensor for Tejas and amca. it will keep cost down and also increase indigenization and it have been done in past in case of jaguars?
Comparison should be with LCA TEJAS.. AND whar India will do if USA question on GE engine they can put pressure on India through choking supply lines to Sweden when subject comes to engine related spare parts and after sale service
Buy 36 Rafale + 36 SU 57
And buy either SNECMA M88 or EJ 200 with IP right for Tejas Mk2.
Rafale is twin engine aircraft, so more reliable it is.
We should get Rafael even if it is a little pricey with tot, make in India. With Rafael we have more chance to get assembly line in India
Super mig29 will be two engine rafala with same wiopon rader avionics ews capability next generation advance from f1670 block and gripen e. But meteor here replace by astra2/3.now wait😮for😢super mirage 2000 upgrade😮at Hyderabad rafala mirage overwhoul😢facility
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Had PAF funds like IAF, they would have procured F35a and F16s Block 70 by now.. Instead of wasting time
Batter to go with France and decrease the invest cost on engine.
Yes it will deliver late but......
Biggest problem with Gripen is not it's foreign parts but Tejas MKII. Same timeline. Why not buy more capable fighter at that same timeline, unless we are not sure about Tejas MKII's effectiveness..
Cuup hoo Jaa gaddar just shut up abbya mk2hamara appna hai aur gripen natto county kaa engine American hai
This would completely discredit the Tejas program! In what world can IAF buy the Swedish Gripen while ALSO developing Tejas 1 and 2?
GRIPEN KO LENE SE TEJAS MK-2 KO BANANE MEIN BHI HELP MILEGI.
We need fighters. That too fast! MRFA should be out top priority.