That's why limited penetration and clearing from the outside before you push for the hard corners is better. GWOT taught us a lot of those 90's era TTPs which were for hostage rescue were terrible for real fighting.
My favourite bit of this episode is where Miller, after doing the doors and corners thing, decides that trigger happy belters may be a bigger risk than doors and corners and so kicks the door open and backs into it without looking 😂
The guy in the picture that alex was looking at was one of the guys they helped to get off of Eros. Earlier in the episode Alex was trying to help them settle in to Tycho and he said he wanted to fight the inners that kill Eros - throughline to him signing up to join the assault team, only to end up dying on the pod that was blown up by the dumb gun. Alex will remember that.
Great episode, the Battle of Thoth Station was awesome to witness. Trivial fact: the actor who plays Dresden also had a small part in Aliens; he was 'Private Spunkmeyer' and was an assistant on the dropship that brought the crew down to the planet.
In this episode I have always liked the little detail when the Roci takes fire that goes through the crew space. The molten slag from the round penetrating the hull just kinda holds there in lines criss-crossing the room because with all the air evacuated there is nothing to move it. Until the Roci turns on its main engine and it all falls to the floor. Or from the other perspective the floor, walls, chairs and everything accelerates out of its previous position leaving the projectile traces hanging in place until the floor sweeps them up with it.
I totally missed the connection because when we 1st meet Diogo, he seems like a completely down on his luck ghetto kid, certainly not somebody with access to space travel. Then he's 'suddenly' on his uncle Mateo's boat, and _then_ we pivot again to Diogo being this OPA infantry... It threw me.
@@Glimmcomp I was so confused by the Mateo scenes in space. Particularly thrown off by him taking off his face mask for a few seconds. It made me think he was an alien or zombie or something, and then when he seemingly went crazy and threw his nephew out (who I didn't recognize) and threw his ice at the Martians and got killed in the process, I was so confused, had no idea what the connection of those scenes were with anything else. I didn't even pick up on the connection between that and the MCRN being on high alert leading to the donkey balls episode. It just all seemed totally random. I certainly didn't expect the nephew to survive and show up again, and I never made the connection to the water stealer.
There's also the fact if Dresden was taken in alive Mao could pay for a Belter faction to spring him with the money he had in his back pocket. (The series doesn't really go into the full depths of factionalization and sometimes criminally of the OPA in the books)
6:10 Yeah, about the girl's glass... The Belters' culture revolves around Humanity's colonization of space. That glass is based on old zero-G sealed drinking containers -- called Bulbs -- where people consume drinks with straws or suck through a nozzle. Edit: 27:08 _The Expanse_ has always centered its writing on dilemmas, and that's what's great about this show. Every solution everyone tries to come up with will be far from perfect, and all everyone can do is deal with the consequences later on -- which leads to the next dilemma.
The thing about the scientist is that he's not wrong, humanity is at a huge disadvantage to an enemy they know nothing about. Now tell that to the people in power, how quick is that guy going to be put to work on the next Eros? How many more Eros's become justifiable in the face of this existential threat? How many 'little people' get to be used up whether they know or not, agree or not in the necessary goal of saving the species?
Great reaction Mary! A lot of great moments in this episode! The conversation between Chrisjen and Souther! The space battle at tHoth! Really enjoying your journey!
The whole point of the last scene is to show that no matter the scale of an atrocity, with enough at stake you can rationalize anything. Miller shot him because he knew Holden and Johnson were going to let him live, use his work and thereby excuse his actions. He did the right thing. Also this is still one of my favorite space battle sequences. Just top notch. Excited to see you keep watching this :)
100% agree with you! I was on Miller's side as soon as he fired the shot, some things are not worth the cost and if we forget that we have lost our humanity.
@@technofilejr3401 Your point fully explains all of the opposition to mRNA shots as an alleged means to combat Covid. A lot of people in our ruling class agreed 100% with Dr. Dresden.
...The glaring difference being that the vaccines demonstrably saved (at least) tens of thousands of people at the cost of practically no significant deleterious side effects, and that in the real-world case, the well was poisoned by bad actors who were more interested in political power than human lives and then those lies were swallowed by people with an inadequate science education. If "members of the ruling class" valued their own power over the health and safety of the citizens, any reasonable assessment will show that it was the members of the ruling class who opposed vaccines doing it--because they were happy to let people die to prevent more people from realizing that science and democracy are better allies to the people than authoritarian tribal credulity.
Miller's argument was that the ends justify the means too. Miller assumed the doctor would eventually continue his work and never face justice for his crimes so Miller felt justified in executing him now. Miller was wrong in his assumptions though. I won't say how since that would be a spoiler. He shouldn't have murdered Dresden unilaterally.
I'm with miller on this at this point, Humanity in this show is not ready for this knowledge. If anyone has it everyone has to, or there will be war for it, and someone will use it....and no one can control it.
What if Dresden convinces his captors to let him continue his research? Maybe Miller was worried that Belters would still be guinea pigs if he was alive? I think they should have kept him alive, but the trauma of those who were on Eros...
Ya, in hindsight they should have kept him alive. They need someone with that much knowledge of the substance. Even if they could wipe it all out in our solar system that doesn't mean it gone anywhere else in the galaxy. Humanity needs to understand how it works so they can at least develop defenses against it and hopefully be able to use it to advance the species.
Yes, - Diogo - the kid Miller caught stealing water earlier, was the same guy that got thrown out the airlock by his uncle… will this be the last time we see him? 🤔 We got more than a few answers in this episode…. And some big’ol new questions! On to the next one! 🚀
They could just be lying to Dresden until after they had the data. Worst case they could let him continue analysing the data they already had from Eros and using that for a potential vaccine
Holden? Nah, he's too idealistic. He wanted Dresden to spill on his co-conspirators, get a fair trial, and then get executed. Though he would probably be willing to wait until the data was decrypted. Fred...Fred I think was tempted.
Yes, Avasarala suggested to Errinwright to strike Diemos. She still needs to portray an old-school hawk. She knew the council wasn't going to dismiss the entire incident as Admiral Southern wanted. Attacking Diemos would satisfy their blood lust without, perhaps, being a more provocative attack. The UN intelligence had quickly figured out who tried to assassinate Avasarala. Right after the incident, when Errinwright looked in on her in her office, she was looking at an intel report that pictured the Black Sky guy on Tycho. Yes, the kid Diogo is the same water thief Miller nabbed and the same kid who was left floating in space by his uncle Mateo. The scene of the Roci being punctured by the steal ship reminded me of what an old WWII B-17 waist gunner told me about his plane being similarly punctured by a German fighter. He said the machine gun rounds left trails of vaporized aluminum that burned his skin when they were too close. We already know that Dresden is being backed by incredibly powerful Earthers who would want him back. Dresden insisted on continuing human experimentation...which would certainly be Belters. It only took five minutes for Dresden to make a deal with Johnson and Holden...and they're _good_ Earthers. Miller saw that.
The Expanse is the first show since Babylon 5 to really make good use of the little background/unfocused details to foreshadow events or provide little clues about the bigger picture. Babylon 5 was always dropping hints in news stories and throwaway lines that never seem important in the moment. The Expanse reveals a lot on people's terminals if you pause to read them.
This episode is so fun. On top of the political drama on Earth, the show introduces its rules of space battles with no ray guns or "inertial dampeners" or magic shields but have rapid-fire projectiles tearing through the ship from side to side. Choose your seats wisely! And it took more than one viewing before noticing the red-hot crease along the Rocinante's hull from the stealth ship's rail gun that you caught at 20:05.
Having watched Andor and listening to Nemik’s manifesto, the Black Sky guy starts making a lot more sense. Also, FedEx class assault pods. Also also the “Guy Molinari” is named after a ferry in NYC.
The first season only covered part of the first book, so the second season kicks off immediately building up to the climax of that book. Naomi is relieved for multiple reasons at the end of their part of the battle. In addition to simply being glad they survived, Belters tend to have a rougher time with high G as they are used to much lower gravity environments than Earthers and Dusters. Other factors come into play of course, like age, physical condition and medication, but in general Earthers cope with high G a bit better than Dusters, who manage better than Belters.
Just imagine trying to avenge a genocide against your people, only to discover that its a preventative measure to counter a greater danger. Not trying to justify Dresden's experiments. Just, imagine having the righteous indignation only to discover that the reason it was done in the first place actually makes sense to the betterment of the species. Trippy story twist !
I've always thought that the WW II treatment of the scientists who operated the V1 and V2 rocket program for Nazi Germany was a partial inspiration for the Dresden scene. Launching those rockets to land randomly within London was a war crime. Civilians were killed. The rockets could not be aimed with pinpoint accuracy and no argument could be made that they were sent out to destroy military targets. The scientists had no viable argument beyond saying "we were good Nazis" to defend against those war crime charges. But they were the world's foremost experts in rocket science, and instead of being punished, they were whisked off to lives of luxury and high-paying jobs in the USA to assist in the development of our rocket program. The same would have been Dresden's happy fate.
dresden was basicly mengele, every second hes breating its a risk for this to happen over and over again he is smart and can bring others do doing genociadel bullcrap ... miller did what every decent man should do in that situation
Fred Johnson and James Holden only wanted access to the data, which was literally a room away. Dresden was only needed to unlock the data, the other guy could translate it
Miller didn't shoot the guy because he was crazy, he shot him when he started making sense. And justifying mass murder as an ok thing and people were like, let's hear him out. Miller was like nope, no justification for this.
26:30 Dresden is right and wrong. Take away the humanity of people and he is right. Protomolecule was sent here. Percentage killed on Eros is a rounding error. So much could be done by reengineerg people. But is it right to lose our humsnity?
Dresden is also wrong. The Protomolecule was not sent here by a hostile species to destroy us because when it arrived in out solar system humanity didn't even exist yet. Which Dresden really should know, so he probably is intentionally lying to people who don't do science.
First of all Drummer! Second Demos staryard in Starfield sells UC ships. I like the connection. The books are really good, the a collection of novellas that add some context to the stories that is something to check out. There is a brand new series by the writers which is separate from this series.
Please try not to spoil. She doesn't even have a mentioned or even credited name yet by this episode. Also, telling reactors that some new character is your favorite gives them some plot armor. Just don't do it.
@@madux42 I agree with everything you're saying. But I'll also note that my favorite characters in the first episode were Ade and Shed. This show has a lot of likeable characters and they don't tend to have much in the way of plot armor.
While I’ll take a back seat to no one in my enjoyment of Star Trek, I must admit that The Expanse is my favorite SF. I watched ST:TOS (real time) through ST:LD (which I like), so I think I’m qualified to comment. The Expanse about as realistic and adult as it could be, while ST is really Horatio Hornblower, with a Western, at its core. Another advantage is that The Expanse is a story, while Star Trek becomes this Byzantine point and counterpoint as to what’s canon, what’s not, what’s political, what’s not, ad infinitum. There’s so much ST that I can see where folks just get tired of it, or are just overwhelmed. Sort of where I am with Marvel comics and Star Wars. So I’d rather watch a reaction to The Expanse than ST.
@@TheDanEdwards VERY WEAK TROLL indeed! Can't even take the comment seriously when they tell the outright lies of S1 being the best (most look at S1 as good but hardly the best in the series) and then the second outrageous (obvious troll) lie that it's not different than a CW show. CW shows were plagued with shows tied down to juvenile level drama, using secrets as plot and even season long filler, silly love triangles, goofy plots, and mid acting...The Expanse is none of that!!!
@@MarkRoyer36 Trolls do tend to have different perceptions of things. Most agree that S1 was GOOD but still the weakest season of them all. Then trying to even remotely compare this show to the brainless juvenile level trash on CW is laughable.
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Doors and Corners. That's where they get ya.
I love that line, but it kills me when Miller kicks that door open and goes through it backwards, lol.
@@ianferguson5410Agree 😆, that was alarming. Although the threat of a gel round wasn't serious enough follow his own rule
@@ianferguson5410 to be fair, that was after he found out the defenders are only armed with gel guns
CQB is what gets most people.
That's why limited penetration and clearing from the outside before you push for the hard corners is better. GWOT taught us a lot of those 90's era TTPs which were for hostage rescue were terrible for real fighting.
My favourite bit of this episode is where Miller, after doing the doors and corners thing, decides that trigger happy belters may be a bigger risk than doors and corners and so kicks the door open and backs into it without looking 😂
I noticed that too!
Yes, Diogo was the water thief on Ceres, then worked with his uncle Mateo who spaced him, and now he's part of the assault team.
I didn't get that either the first season. At least from this episode onward I was able to recognize him.
He just needed a lift.
IYKYK.
@@Justanotherconsumer lol
Space combat in the Expanse is second to none.
Agreed!
But "Babylon 5" and "Battlestar Galactica" are really really close behind, when it comes to that. ;-]
The guy in the picture that alex was looking at was one of the guys they helped to get off of Eros. Earlier in the episode Alex was trying to help them settle in to Tycho and he said he wanted to fight the inners that kill Eros - throughline to him signing up to join the assault team, only to end up dying on the pod that was blown up by the dumb gun. Alex will remember that.
Great episode, the Battle of Thoth Station was awesome to witness.
Trivial fact: the actor who plays Dresden also had a small part in Aliens; he was 'Private Spunkmeyer' and was an assistant on the dropship that brought the crew down to the planet.
Spunkmeyer! I never knew that:)
Really powerful ethical challenges in this episode, the mark of good science fiction.
In this episode I have always liked the little detail when the Roci takes fire that goes through the crew space. The molten slag from the round penetrating the hull just kinda holds there in lines criss-crossing the room because with all the air evacuated there is nothing to move it. Until the Roci turns on its main engine and it all falls to the floor. Or from the other perspective the floor, walls, chairs and everything accelerates out of its previous position leaving the projectile traces hanging in place until the floor sweeps them up with it.
Yes its the same guy, his name is Diogo
Diogo is a recurring side-character in the series.
He's everybody's annoying little brother, for *most* of it. 😀
I totally missed the connection because when we 1st meet Diogo, he seems like a completely down on his luck ghetto kid, certainly not somebody with access to space travel. Then he's 'suddenly' on his uncle Mateo's boat, and _then_ we pivot again to Diogo being this OPA infantry... It threw me.
@@Glimmcomp I was so confused by the Mateo scenes in space. Particularly thrown off by him taking off his face mask for a few seconds. It made me think he was an alien or zombie or something, and then when he seemingly went crazy and threw his nephew out (who I didn't recognize) and threw his ice at the Martians and got killed in the process, I was so confused, had no idea what the connection of those scenes were with anything else. I didn't even pick up on the connection between that and the MCRN being on high alert leading to the donkey balls episode. It just all seemed totally random. I certainly didn't expect the nephew to survive and show up again, and I never made the connection to the water stealer.
21:08 this is your Doors and Corners moment, they got you. Now we go for a ride Sesatna, hang on Sasa ke?
There's also the fact if Dresden was taken in alive Mao could pay for a Belter faction to spring him with the money he had in his back pocket. (The series doesn't really go into the full depths of factionalization and sometimes criminally of the OPA in the books)
I loved seeing your smile during the station assault. IMO the Expanse has the best space battles of all time!
Miller and Amos are the only 2 that are 100% comfortable making hard decisions and following through.
Maybe a bit too comfortable.
6:10 Yeah, about the girl's glass...
The Belters' culture revolves around Humanity's colonization of space. That glass is based on old zero-G sealed drinking containers -- called Bulbs -- where people consume drinks with straws or suck through a nozzle.
Edit:
27:08 _The Expanse_ has always centered its writing on dilemmas, and that's what's great about this show. Every solution everyone tries to come up with will be far from perfect, and all everyone can do is deal with the consequences later on -- which leads to the next dilemma.
Always great when this shows up on the timeline!
The thing about the scientist is that he's not wrong, humanity is at a huge disadvantage to an enemy they know nothing about. Now tell that to the people in power, how quick is that guy going to be put to work on the next Eros? How many more Eros's become justifiable in the face of this existential threat? How many 'little people' get to be used up whether they know or not, agree or not in the necessary goal of saving the species?
Great reaction Mary!
A lot of great moments in this episode!
The conversation between Chrisjen and Souther!
The space battle at tHoth!
Really enjoying your journey!
Thoth.
@fakecubed correct, my bad
The whole point of the last scene is to show that no matter the scale of an atrocity, with enough at stake you can rationalize anything. Miller shot him because he knew Holden and Johnson were going to let him live, use his work and thereby excuse his actions. He did the right thing. Also this is still one of my favorite space battle sequences. Just top notch. Excited to see you keep watching this :)
100% agree with you! I was on Miller's side as soon as he fired the shot, some things are not worth the cost and if we forget that we have lost our humanity.
Maybe you should let the character explain himself, don't you think?
The ends don't justify the means. I'm with Miller on this one.
I’m all for free speech but dude was trying to justify using human beings as lab rats. That is not a sentiment that should be allowed to get traction.
@@technofilejr3401 Your point fully explains all of the opposition to mRNA shots as an alleged means to combat Covid. A lot of people in our ruling class agreed 100% with Dr. Dresden.
...The glaring difference being that the vaccines demonstrably saved (at least) tens of thousands of people at the cost of practically no significant deleterious side effects, and that in the real-world case, the well was poisoned by bad actors who were more interested in political power than human lives and then those lies were swallowed by people with an inadequate science education. If "members of the ruling class" valued their own power over the health and safety of the citizens, any reasonable assessment will show that it was the members of the ruling class who opposed vaccines doing it--because they were happy to let people die to prevent more people from realizing that science and democracy are better allies to the people than authoritarian tribal credulity.
Miller's argument was that the ends justify the means too. Miller assumed the doctor would eventually continue his work and never face justice for his crimes so Miller felt justified in executing him now.
Miller was wrong in his assumptions though. I won't say how since that would be a spoiler. He shouldn't have murdered Dresden unilaterally.
I'm with miller on this at this point, Humanity in this show is not ready for this knowledge. If anyone has it everyone has to, or there will be war for it, and someone will use it....and no one can control it.
Yay ! Glad you’re back!
Hopefully now past the holidays, she'll be back on pace.
What if Dresden convinces his captors to let him continue his research? Maybe Miller was worried that Belters would still be guinea pigs if he was alive? I think they should have kept him alive, but the trauma of those who were on Eros...
Ya, in hindsight they should have kept him alive. They need someone with that much knowledge of the substance. Even if they could wipe it all out in our solar system that doesn't mean it gone anywhere else in the galaxy. Humanity needs to understand how it works so they can at least develop defenses against it and hopefully be able to use it to advance the species.
Ah yes, doors and corners. This ep is in my top 5. Such an awesomely well done space battle with realistic physics and effects
Yes, - Diogo - the kid Miller caught stealing water earlier, was the same guy that got thrown out the airlock by his uncle… will this be the last time we see him? 🤔
We got more than a few answers in this episode…. And some big’ol new questions!
On to the next one! 🚀
Two Earthers were about to let the Scientist get away with experimenting on Belters.
Not even remotely true, they only wanted access to the data that was in the other room
Dresden was so good, he even got Mary doubting for a second
Absolutely true, they would habe let Dresden get his will, continuing his work.
They could just be lying to Dresden until after they had the data. Worst case they could let him continue analysing the data they already had from Eros and using that for a potential vaccine
Holden? Nah, he's too idealistic. He wanted Dresden to spill on his co-conspirators, get a fair trial, and then get executed. Though he would probably be willing to wait until the data was decrypted.
Fred...Fred I think was tempted.
Miller made the right call at the end, that guy needed to go.
Yes, Avasarala suggested to Errinwright to strike Diemos. She still needs to portray an old-school hawk. She knew the council wasn't going to dismiss the entire incident as Admiral Southern wanted. Attacking Diemos would satisfy their blood lust without, perhaps, being a more provocative attack.
The UN intelligence had quickly figured out who tried to assassinate Avasarala. Right after the incident, when Errinwright looked in on her in her office, she was looking at an intel report that pictured the Black Sky guy on Tycho.
Yes, the kid Diogo is the same water thief Miller nabbed and the same kid who was left floating in space by his uncle Mateo.
The scene of the Roci being punctured by the steal ship reminded me of what an old WWII B-17 waist gunner told me about his plane being similarly punctured by a German fighter. He said the machine gun rounds left trails of vaporized aluminum that burned his skin when they were too close.
We already know that Dresden is being backed by incredibly powerful Earthers who would want him back. Dresden insisted on continuing human experimentation...which would certainly be Belters. It only took five minutes for Dresden to make a deal with Johnson and Holden...and they're _good_ Earthers. Miller saw that.
The Expanse is the first show since Babylon 5 to really make good use of the little background/unfocused details to foreshadow events or provide little clues about the bigger picture. Babylon 5 was always dropping hints in news stories and throwaway lines that never seem important in the moment. The Expanse reveals a lot on people's terminals if you pause to read them.
This episode is so fun. On top of the political drama on Earth, the show introduces its rules of space battles with no ray guns or "inertial dampeners" or magic shields but have rapid-fire projectiles tearing through the ship from side to side. Choose your seats wisely! And it took more than one viewing before noticing the red-hot crease along the Rocinante's hull from the stealth ship's rail gun that you caught at 20:05.
19:30 possibly the first time a courier actually delivered a package on time :D
Having watched Andor and listening to Nemik’s manifesto, the Black Sky guy starts making a lot more sense.
Also, FedEx class assault pods.
Also also the “Guy Molinari” is named after a ferry in NYC.
Camina Drummer 😍
One of the best space combat scenes you will ever see.
I can think of better, but they're all from this show!
*sigh* Really wish people wouldn't constantly point out that a new character is "going to be important", "is the best", etc. 🤦🏻♀
it does rather take the sponteneity out of things. Idiots.
Oh I just love your reactions to this show and it's hard to comment without spoiling anything. 👀🤪
Thanks for doing these :)
The first season only covered part of the first book, so the second season kicks off immediately building up to the climax of that book.
Naomi is relieved for multiple reasons at the end of their part of the battle. In addition to simply being glad they survived, Belters tend to have a rougher time with high G as they are used to much lower gravity environments than Earthers and Dusters. Other factors come into play of course, like age, physical condition and medication, but in general Earthers cope with high G a bit better than Dusters, who manage better than Belters.
The journey continues! Woooo!
Your life has just become better because you've finally met Camina Drummer, and you don't even know it yet.
Any criminals should be judged in the court of law no matter how heinous their crimes. miller’s action is understandable
Just imagine trying to avenge a genocide against your people, only to discover that its a preventative measure to counter a greater danger.
Not trying to justify Dresden's experiments. Just, imagine having the righteous indignation only to discover that the reason it was done in the first place actually makes sense to the betterment of the species. Trippy story twist !
I've always thought that the WW II treatment of the scientists who operated the V1 and V2 rocket program for Nazi Germany was a partial inspiration for the Dresden scene. Launching those rockets to land randomly within London was a war crime. Civilians were killed. The rockets could not be aimed with pinpoint accuracy and no argument could be made that they were sent out to destroy military targets. The scientists had no viable argument beyond saying "we were good Nazis" to defend against those war crime charges. But they were the world's foremost experts in rocket science, and instead of being punished, they were whisked off to lives of luxury and high-paying jobs in the USA to assist in the development of our rocket program. The same would have been Dresden's happy fate.
I hear what you're saying. I understand the pragmatism of the argument. Counterpoint: Dresden (the guy Miller killed) was about to get away with it
dresden was basicly mengele, every second hes breating its a risk for this to happen over and over again he is smart and can bring others do doing genociadel bullcrap ...
miller did what every decent man should do in that situation
Fred Johnson and James Holden only wanted access to the data, which was literally a room away. Dresden was only needed to unlock the data, the other guy could translate it
Miller didn't shoot the guy because he was crazy, he shot him when he started making sense. And justifying mass murder as an ok thing and people were like, let's hear him out. Miller was like nope, no justification for this.
Delete this - its spoiler.
He had a gun pointed at the back of his head. It would have killed him.
26:30 Dresden is right and wrong. Take away the humanity of people and he is right. Protomolecule was sent here. Percentage killed on Eros is a rounding error. So much could be done by reengineerg people. But is it right to lose our humsnity?
Dresden is also wrong. The Protomolecule was not sent here by a hostile species to destroy us because when it arrived in out solar system humanity didn't even exist yet. Which Dresden really should know, so he probably is intentionally lying to people who don't do science.
Milllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr
👍
And you've just met Drummer. 😎
Remember her, she's one of the best characters in this show.
She's the character that probably changed the second most from the books, and in a good way!
Why does everybody needs to spoil in the comments? Why??
@@madux42 Well, at least she's seasons ahead of this. But 100%, yeah, why?
First of all Drummer! Second Demos staryard in Starfield sells UC ships. I like the connection. The books are really good, the a collection of novellas that add some context to the stories that is something to check out. There is a brand new series by the writers which is separate from this series.
Ah.....
Camina
Drummer.
❤
I feel the title should now be "TV with Mary"🤣
Camina Drummer is here ❤️
Camina Drummer instantly became one of my favourite characters.
Please try not to spoil. She doesn't even have a mentioned or even credited name yet by this episode.
Also, telling reactors that some new character is your favorite gives them some plot armor. Just don't do it.
@@madux42 I agree with everything you're saying. But I'll also note that my favorite characters in the first episode were Ade and Shed. This show has a lot of likeable characters and they don't tend to have much in the way of plot armor.
Drummer is an amazing character.
Miller did nothing wrong...
Please continue with Star Trek.
While I’ll take a back seat to no one in my enjoyment of Star Trek, I must admit that The Expanse is my favorite SF. I watched ST:TOS (real time) through ST:LD (which I like), so I think I’m qualified to comment. The Expanse about as realistic and adult as it could be, while ST is really Horatio Hornblower, with a Western, at its core. Another advantage is that The Expanse is a story, while Star Trek becomes this Byzantine point and counterpoint as to what’s canon, what’s not, what’s political, what’s not, ad infinitum. There’s so much ST that I can see where folks just get tired of it, or are just overwhelmed. Sort of where I am with Marvel comics and Star Wars. So I’d rather watch a reaction to The Expanse than ST.
Stop watching the Expanse, we want more Dr. Who! ;)
(The physics are all nonsense anyway...)
this show was only good for the first season. needed better actors. its like a cw show, mid
Interesting how differently people perceive the same thing. For me, season one was the weakest. It only got better with each ensuing season.
Weak troll.
@@TheDanEdwards VERY WEAK TROLL indeed! Can't even take the comment seriously when they tell the outright lies of S1 being the best (most look at S1 as good but hardly the best in the series) and then the second outrageous (obvious troll) lie that it's not different than a CW show.
CW shows were plagued with shows tied down to juvenile level drama, using secrets as plot and even season long filler, silly love triangles, goofy plots, and mid acting...The Expanse is none of that!!!
@@MarkRoyer36 Trolls do tend to have different perceptions of things. Most agree that S1 was GOOD but still the weakest season of them all. Then trying to even remotely compare this show to the brainless juvenile level trash on CW is laughable.