Fun fact, shes not a spawn. The way astarion turns the player is the way vampire brides are made in dnd. Shes actually a full vampire but tied to him in a vampire marriage.
@darkurgediaries They are full vampires. The only ties they have to their vampire husband or bride are like a magical marriage bond, which can be annulled. By definition, spawns aren't free willed. Therefore, a bride is not a spawn because she is freewilled.
@Ilovedallthepeople Dnd rules and the fact that Asarion tells you how he turned you if you ask him. His explanation is how vampire brides are made not spawns. You can look up the official vampire lore on vampire brides/groom.
@@TheBlackLakeSiren the dnd guide describes them as fledgling vampires which would be something between a spawn and true vampire I believe, either way I agree with you that tav is definitely a vampire bride 🙏🏻
So for those who are unaware, Astarion doesn't make you into "just some spawn" which he says. He describes the ritual he performs on you, which is the Dark Kiss. The Dark Kiss is where a true vampire administers 3 bites, draining their partner to the edge of death... and just before they die, they are given the vampire's blood to force the transformation while they are still alive. A vampire bride/groom (interchangeable) is not at all like a spawn. It maintains its whole self, and actually maintains its own free will. The downside is as a bride/groom you have no idea that you suffer from the hunger. You do not feel it, but it eats at your body and mind. If the vampire who performs the dark kiss does not teach their mate how to know when they need to feed and how... it can literally drive them insane. If he died during the ritual you'd have been turned into a Volorg which is just soo so unfortunate.
The fact that if you say “come on, make it hurt.” And instead of biting your hand he will chokehold and bite your neck just about made me spazz out 😭 I need therapy.
Everyone who choose the ”be gentle” options are weaklings 😎 When I want soft Astarion (and I do!) I don’t let him ascend. But when I need him a bit rougher, why not go all the way? 🖤
Okay, I've gotta throw this out there because it's driving me nuts that no one has brought this up. Throughout this scene, Astarion keeps using the word "consort" to describe how he wants Tav/Durge to fit into his life. A consort is a married partner to royalty/nobility. They enjoy the lifestyle and some sort of title but don't have the same level of political power or influence that their spouse does. An easy example is Prince Phillip, who was prince-consort to Queen Elizabeth. The man was very much involved in the goings-on of the family politics, but he wasn't the monarch. He also was Elizabeth's husband and fathered her children. When i see people react to this scene, the word "consort" is bandied about as a negative. I think it's because people misread "consort" as "concubine." But that's not what happened because Astarion basically proposes in this scene, and I'm not over it. Calling her "consort", bet that asshole is just trying not to say "wife." 😢
In a lot cultures "consort" does in fact mean concubine. There have been numerous Empires, such as Imperial China, Byzantine Empire, Ottoman Empire to name a few that the word consort would specifically indicate that the woman was in a concubine relationship. In Islamic Empire's it also pretty much meant that the woman was a slave and NOT married to the ruler, but owned by them and in a sexual relationship. In the modern day most people only hear the word "consort" in relation to the moderm day royal families, which certainly has much nicer implications than the historical usage of the word. I think Astarion's ascended interactions with Tav are so interesting as there is a lot of room for interpretation with the language he uses. Consort is a bit of a loaded word and I would say the historical meaning of it certainly implies more of a master/slave type relationship. So is Astarion calling you his Princess Tav Consort or his Consort slave/plaything? I've been going back in forth in my brain trying to decide is this showing us a happy and consensual BDSM type relationship or is this abusive or heading towards it? I think either point could be reasonably argued and I kind of love that, there is a lot to unpack with Astarion's romance. I finished my ascended play through last night and after defeating the brain, had a follow up romance scene with Astarion. There was an option where you can say "I think we should break up" Astarion laughs at you and says: "Remember, you are mine. The tadpole is gone, which means your future is mine to decide. How lucky are you that I chose you as my consort. Chose you to help me take Baldur's Gate, then sit by my side as I rule it. There's no backing out now - we'll be together forever. ~ I can promise you that ~" Certainly get more of the M/s vibe overall from him, but perhaps that's what Tav wants. People chose to live in those types of power dynamic relationships IRL and have healthy and happy lives. I wish there was a bit more to the end of the romance, I can see it going terribly or wonderfully for Tav and Astarion. Which I sort of love and sort of hate lol.
@@PrincessQuinnevere i take it to be the more royal meaning because lord astarion is constantly reminding tav, this is OUR power, WE will rule, WE are the most powerful people, this world will be YOURS and MINE alone, etc etc. it’s like the royal position of queen consort. It’s very clear the writers used the dnd dark kiss/vampire bride ritual as the transformation he puts tav through, the process strahd did, which is detailed in van richtens guide to vampires. The vampire lord often gaslights the vampire bride into believing she is a spawn so he can have control but she actually has free will and will figure it out eventually. It’s quite telling when you ask astarion if he will compel you and he avoids the question with another question, “why would I need to?” Even in the new patch 5 after party epilogue we never see him compel tav (her eyes would go red like the other spawn we saw being controlled by cazador, if you notice their eyes go back to normal colors when he dies) also in that astarion tells tav they will drink each others blood, and if tav bites astarion in game nothing new happens (obviously could be a failure on the devs part but I see it as she is already a vampire and just doesn’t know it.) So i believe if they ever did a follow up you’d see a much different dynamic between the two of them in the future once tav figures out she’s a vampire bride and not simply a spawn. Especially if tav is a bhaalspawn, things could get very interesting between them 🤔 could either go darkly romantic OR warring vampires haha! The writing is in the wall and I’m dying to see it.
while some might interpret the scenario as Astarion probably never actually intending to turn you into a true vampire, I like to imagine what he said about probably needing time to adjust as just that: time spent adjusting before completing the change eventually. and considering he's referring to Tav as a consort rather than a concubine or even a pet constantly, I do believe he might actually intend to turn Tav into a true vampire eventually since he knows he wouldn't really have to worry about betrayal in this specific situation where there is a love bond strong enough for them to want to try living eternally together. that and I did read a comment talking about the vampire bride/groom which, if true, only reinforces my thoughts here.
If you choose the dialogue option and ask how he turned her, he says that he gave you a drop of his blood. It's how vampire brides are made in dnd. Shes not a spawn, shes a full vampire. That drop of blood is also how shes protected from the sun. Shes locked into a vampire marriage with him.
@@Ssekkaha actually the lead writer confirmed that ascended astarion is still himself in a recent ign interview, and even more recently Neil, Astarions VA, explained that when Astarion ascends his mask is no longer on and what you see is who he really was the whole time. His silliness and theatrics were a mask to hide his pain but when he ascends he doesn’t need it anymore. Ascending restores him to the corrupted bastard he always was in life, doesn’t “make him cazador” because he always was corrupted anyway. His official bio confirms that. If you don’t let him ascend, you push him to become a new person, which is fine if that’s your playstyle. But no, he isn’t cazador.
@@Ssekkahathis is how they cope with their favorite romance lol. Tav is most definitely a spawn and this is definitely an abusive ass relationship 😂 the guy even makes you kneel for a kiss after the new patch. This is a totally different astarion. Cazador 2.0 is a very accurate title.
Ah, was hoping for the whole love scene, even if you had to blur or keep clothes on. Been looking for an example that isn’t the dragon-born characters lol. Still, thanks for the upload 😊
If you look at the official dnd guide that covers vampire brides, it states that in most cases, the vampire lord will lie to his bride and make her believe she is a spawn so he can have control, this is why.
He also shares his blood which alone makes it so the player isn't a regular spawn, in the lore at least. The whole thing is kind of confusing with the gameplay/dnd lore differences. Still, regardless of what the ascension haters say about Astarion the fact remains that this scene is basically a marriage proposal, wedding, and wedding night wrapped into one and that is why I have a hard time going the spawn route among other reasons.
@@britt6184 looking objectively Tav is still a spawn even if they are a consort. Per Astarion's words they are a spawn consort and Astarion never says otherwise. More than a spawn sure, but not a vampire. That's fact. And if you play the spawn route Astarion flat out said he almost became cazador. It's really not about hating astarion (I think him and all the other origin characters are great), it is just paying attention to what he says and not putting head canon over what the characters say in game.
I´m going to repeat myself but i hate the writer for assuming my character helped him to ascend because she "lusts" after him. My durge would never say any of those dialog options. She helped him because she loves him, not for his body or power. I still like the scene after they talk. He becomes more possessive but he is still so sweet to her.
I take solace in the fact that the person who said that was only a secondary writer who filled in during crunch time, it wasn’t Rooney who was Astarions actual writer. It was just that secondary writer’s opinion that got taken wildly out of context, and not at all what the devs had in mind.
@@darkurgediaries Oh, i know it was a diffrent writer and you´re absolutely right about her opinion taken out of context. Honestly she did a great job with durge, i adore my character. Durge is just so disturbing and weirdly adorable at times, i love it! Plus extra content with Astarion thanks to her but she still screwed up with this scene. And, at least until it is fixed, i will not forgive her for that. She se*ualized Astarion herself in this scene. Astarions real writer calls it the evil not the bad end. This is a roleplaying game but players get shamed here for their choice to help him ascend when you can do far more worse things in the entire game. I hope Larian does something for this scene with patch 6.
At first I thought he was going to drain all your blood through your hand and I was thinking "how???" 😅 Good thing it was more of just a token kiss/bite
I’m on a third playthrough, first playthrough I let astarion stay as spawn (romanced), but now I want to see him ascend. I’m just nervous because him ascending is supposedly the “bad” ending for him and I don’t want that lol
Definitely do it at least once, its worth seeing! I think it’s all really subjective, and while I thoroughly enjoyed his Spawn path I actually prefer Ascended, it’s just way more to my personal flavor! Ascended is very get-what-you-give and people on youtube tend to only share his reactions to negative dialogue choices. Yes he is on the dark side, but sometimes the dark side can be delicious 😋 The great thing about fantasy games/literature is that we know it’s not real life, so we can have fun exploring the dark side safely. Some people tend to forget that video game choices don’t reflect on who you are irl 😅
@@jsoup82 personally not a fan of the new kisses, he is meant to be possessive and lavish tav like his cherished treasure, it's not giving that xD but honestly if they just changed the facial expressions to pleasure rather than fear I could live with it
Nah. Help him to ascend is not the "bad" outcome for him👍 He will get what he always wanted: power and freedom👍Not killing Cazador- THIS IS the very bad ending for Astarion 👍
If I remember right the makers of the game say that he still loves tav deeply but its an obsessive love not the more healthy one you get if he doesnt ascend. He makes you a actual vampire because he loves you but he wont let you leave him either way if that makes since.
@@DorksidertheGreat there is a secret ending where he allows tav to stay mortal instead of becoming a vampire, and in this secret ending he also allows tav to leave if they want to, he has a lot more depth than people credit him for. The obsessive love notion is a fan theory and not in the dev notes, as I have scoured the internal game files myself to read the devnotes! Either way, I love both spawn and ascended astarion as they each have their own “flavor” and suit different playstyles better ☺️
@@j.d.4697 the only thing that really makes me prefer ascended vampires to regular ones is that they are not undead and don’t suffer the pain and torment that normal full vamps have that causes them to go mad. And they regain all the benefits of being mortal, able to eat, go in the sun, they have full emotions, etc. the cost is sacrificing 7000 souls but if the player is willing to make the sacrifice I think the reward is worth it myself as a mostly evil player haha. I definitely see how a good player wouldn’t want to do it, but honestly releasing 7000 feral spawn isnt exactly good to do either and it will actually break your paladin oath if you have one, so even then I say may as well let Astarion benefit. He doesn’t suddenly become evil when ascended he just stops hiding his true nature like he was before, Neil Newbon spoke about that!
If you're talking about the ending where he stays a spawn then he literally cant turn you. The only option would to become the spawn/slave to a different vampire.
@@jcosmozd it’s definitely polarizing, it seems people either love it or hate it! I find it really comforting myself, so weird! It’s why I’m glad Larian provided us with two “flavors” of Astarion so everyone gets the version they like ^_^
So then if tav ever did die.. and feelings are twisted with him, im curious how that would go down. Would he like grieve or would it just be like "i'll make another one eventually, i got all the time in the world". Can ascended even feel grief or loss like that? 🤔
@@kennedyflint6140 ascended has all of his mortal feelings and emotions returned to him, that’s part of the point of the ritual, the ascension didn’t twist him, he was already twisted and just masking, Neil Newbon spoke about that in one of his streams not too long ago. The mask just comes off when he ascends. He would grieve I think for sure, the nasty things he says like replacing tav are after tav betrays him dumping him and it’s all said to lash back at tav who just broke his heart because the mask goes back on after that and he is protecting himself the only way he knows how.
What happens if you refuse to kneel? I only ascended him once and chose to kneel for him. Does that affect how he’ll make you kneel on your kisses after?
If you say no, he will say ‘yes’, and you can then either kneel or say no again, and if you say no again, he takes it as a breakup and he leaves the room and you are no longer together.
I just got this game and my first thing I wanna do is become a vampire which isnt possible but hey at least ik how to become one later I freakin love Asterion, hes so solly, just as odd as Abnur, Lyris, and Codwell from ESO
Tav’s hair salon, vemperen’s heads, and eyes of the beholder! Her fangs I modded myself from scratch and the dress is available in basket full of equipment mod :)
@@TheBlackLakeSiren unfortunately i don’t know how to turn my edits into shareable mods, and I don’t know if the creator of this head would allow my edited version to be shared 🥲 you just have to know how to use blender and add tiefling teeth to an elf head, there are a lot of great tutorials here on youtube, that’s how I learned 🙌🏻
Anyone knows the track that plays during the romance scene? I know it's "I wan't to live" but it seems a much somber version and I can't find it anywhere.
@@darkurgediaries All instrumentals I found is either the one that plays after he kills Cazador as a spawn or the piano one in camp so if you manage to find it, you'd be an actual champion :)
Whats happens in the endgame cutscenes? Like if you do this and dont become a mind flayer. When you kill the netherbrain and get rid of your tad pole? Do you also start burning in the sun and have to run away?
They continue living a life of luxury in the palace together, astarion is able to extend his ascended sun protection to tav as long as she is with him so no burning 🙏🏻
Its so funny that I could put away my morals and my soft heart and just sacrifice all the spans for his happiness, but I couldn't put aside my pride and kneel before him. NAH, that's where I draw the line. I'll rather keep the still sweet and cute Astarion than this ascended dom wanna be. His way new personality towards Tav just most of the time pisses me off.
It doesn't seem fair when people call Ascended Astarion bad and Spawn Astarion good. Like this he still cares and loves Tav beyond question, letting him Ascend might make him a little power hungry 😆 But he is still sweet and tender, especially when biting Tav to change her I'm sure a huge Astarion and Neil fan that I love him both ways! 😍
I think it's the breakup after being bit that got people not liking acceded Astarion. Where he basically says no you can't do that, your MINE forever...blah blah, basically become his 'chosen pet/slave'.
@@darkurgediaries and now I need to see it, damn 😈 Would be cool if you had a chance to upload it as well, maybe as a short. I can't seem to find this version on youtube, _sighs_
“He will always see you as degrading yourself if you continue to be with him, but perhaps you want to be degraded.” Many people interpret this line differently. Me personally, i think he sees you as degrading yourself by being with him because he feels you deserve better than him and you’re lowering yourself to be with him, and the last line means “perhaps you want to lower your standards” this is my interpretation. It’s how they translated it in the german version of the game when I played in german!
I’ve been trying to find the dialogue, I’m curious… there was an option when he says something about it will be your last night alive and your last time being warm blooded. Tav could say something like I forgot I would be cold after this. What does he say back? I was already hours too far ahead when I realized that was an option and I’ve been searching for the dialogue.
I've been trying to find a playthrough where you choose to "make it hurt", because I want to see the difference. Is it possible for you to make a video on that? 😭
He grabs the player’s throat in an intimate sort of way and bites the neck then proceeds to say thank you like in this video, and then the rest is the same 🤍
Hi! Can you tell me how did you do that your characters have clothes in this scene? Originally they are naked. I would like to see this scene in my game with dressed characters :)
It’s in act 3 after he ascends and you are romancing him, you gain the vampire bite ability and when you run in battle you crouch down like astarion does 😆 no visual changes though sadly
@@356z if you fail, get says “bad girl” if you succeed, it says he feels you’re lowering yourself by being with him, but perhaps you want to lower yourself and he knows it, something along those lines. It’s been a long time since I did this one as I prefer to hear him say bad girl 😂 😂
@@jonadipsy4638 he can only turn you if he completes the ritual, because if he remains a spawn, spawn can’t create new vampires. But his spawn playthrough route is nice! I won’t spoil anything but it has some really beautiful moments ☺️
For everyone who has requested the “Let it Hurt” option, here you go! th-cam.com/video/2qDsjgaokkE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2QNI5yCZvsROChYO
Fun fact, shes not a spawn. The way astarion turns the player is the way vampire brides are made in dnd. Shes actually a full vampire but tied to him in a vampire marriage.
Do you have sources for this?
@darkurgediaries They are full vampires. The only ties they have to their vampire husband or bride are like a magical marriage bond, which can be annulled. By definition, spawns aren't free willed. Therefore, a bride is not a spawn because she is freewilled.
@Ilovedallthepeople Dnd rules and the fact that Asarion tells you how he turned you if you ask him. His explanation is how vampire brides are made not spawns. You can look up the official vampire lore on vampire brides/groom.
@@TheBlackLakeSiren the dnd guide describes them as fledgling vampires which would be something between a spawn and true vampire I believe, either way I agree with you that tav is definitely a vampire bride 🙏🏻
@@TheBlackLakeSiren how does he describes it? I cant remember him mentioning the blood exchange, which is the key element to the bride ritual.
So for those who are unaware, Astarion doesn't make you into "just some spawn" which he says. He describes the ritual he performs on you, which is the Dark Kiss. The Dark Kiss is where a true vampire administers 3 bites, draining their partner to the edge of death... and just before they die, they are given the vampire's blood to force the transformation while they are still alive. A vampire bride/groom (interchangeable) is not at all like a spawn. It maintains its whole self, and actually maintains its own free will. The downside is as a bride/groom you have no idea that you suffer from the hunger. You do not feel it, but it eats at your body and mind. If the vampire who performs the dark kiss does not teach their mate how to know when they need to feed and how... it can literally drive them insane.
If he died during the ritual you'd have been turned into a Volorg which is just soo so unfortunate.
I plan to do a video discussing this soon, thank you for spreading the awareness!
What is a Volorg? I can't find anything about it.
I'm curious where you guys get this info. I can't find anything on the Dark Kiss ritual or what a Volorg is, but I'd love to read about it. Thanks!
Agree, is it in 3d?
@@virginianoone9395 voltor.narod.ru/vr/vr01_11.htm
Scroll down to the section about vampire brides, it’s DnD 2e
I need to be spayed
Relate
Bad kitty.
Thank you for blessing us with the "on your knees" and "bad girl" wombo combo I need to lie DOWN
It makes me weak honestly 🤭
The fact that if you say “come on, make it hurt.” And instead of biting your hand he will chokehold and bite your neck just about made me spazz out 😭 I need therapy.
Yes. You do. :)
If you do so do i 😂
Everyone who choose the ”be gentle” options are weaklings 😎 When I want soft Astarion (and I do!) I don’t let him ascend. But when I need him a bit rougher, why not go all the way? 🖤
And this is how bg3 players discovered BDSM 😂
It chanced now. But take a look. I like the new let it hurt Version 😅
THE WAY HE SAID "to be mine" AT 2:20 AAAGAHAGAHAGAGAGAH IM GNAWING AT THE BARS OF MY ENCLOSURE
Neil: practically swallowing the microphone
Directors: Ahem, could you speak a little closer to the sound piece? We didn’t quite catch that line.
I can't help but just see Neil having to say these lines in a recording booth while being intently stared at, kinda ruins the vibe 😭😭😭😭
I AM NOT GAY I AM NOT GAY I AM NOT GAY
Omg I love this comment lol
WATTPAD COULD NEVER
This short scene from a game is still better than all twilight movies together😂
i know that’s right 😂😂
My god, the angle when he kneels over you gets me everytime!
I HATE the bite sound. Makes me think of someone biting into a Capri Sun.
Omg I’ll never unhear it haha
LMAO this made my day😂
You’re not wrong
Sounds like someone squishing a dog and the dog is crying for help
Sounds like someone wringing out a wet rag 😭
Put me down like the rabid animal I am because this man has me absolutely FERAL
I picture Neil doing these lines and laugh. He would definitely be feeling himself 😭
If I were in the room I couldn't look at him for a year without needing a horse tranquilizer.
“On your knees” is one line that will be ingrained into my mind
Adding that to my future tattoo plan if you don't mind
2:20 JESUS FUCKING CHRIST NEIL! I AM GONNA LOSE IT-
your not alone😂😂😂
The little rasp with the word "forever" just🤤🤤🤤
This man knew exactly what he was doing there I’m sure
*wipes away sweat*
4:17 I'm just imagine some unholy things in my god forgive me for the sins but god dam that's was hot
Okay, I've gotta throw this out there because it's driving me nuts that no one has brought this up.
Throughout this scene, Astarion keeps using the word "consort" to describe how he wants Tav/Durge to fit into his life. A consort is a married partner to royalty/nobility. They enjoy the lifestyle and some sort of title but don't have the same level of political power or influence that their spouse does. An easy example is Prince Phillip, who was prince-consort to Queen Elizabeth. The man was very much involved in the goings-on of the family politics, but he wasn't the monarch. He also was Elizabeth's husband and fathered her children.
When i see people react to this scene, the word "consort" is bandied about as a negative. I think it's because people misread "consort" as "concubine."
But that's not what happened because Astarion basically proposes in this scene, and I'm not over it. Calling her "consort", bet that asshole is just trying not to say "wife." 😢
I’m with you! Look up the vampire bride lore from 2e, they clearly had him make tav a vampire bride 🤍
So true ❤😂
Consort is gender neutral so the gays can have their moment.
In a lot cultures "consort" does in fact mean concubine. There have been numerous Empires, such as Imperial China, Byzantine Empire, Ottoman Empire to name a few that the word consort would specifically indicate that the woman was in a concubine relationship. In Islamic Empire's it also pretty much meant that the woman was a slave and NOT married to the ruler, but owned by them and in a sexual relationship.
In the modern day most people only hear the word "consort" in relation to the moderm day royal families, which certainly has much nicer implications than the historical usage of the word.
I think Astarion's ascended interactions with Tav are so interesting as there is a lot of room for interpretation with the language he uses. Consort is a bit of a loaded word and I would say the historical meaning of it certainly implies more of a master/slave type relationship.
So is Astarion calling you his Princess Tav Consort or his Consort slave/plaything?
I've been going back in forth in my brain trying to decide is this showing us a happy and consensual BDSM type relationship or is this abusive or heading towards it? I think either point could be reasonably argued and I kind of love that, there is a lot to unpack with Astarion's romance.
I finished my ascended play through last night and after defeating the brain, had a follow up romance scene with Astarion.
There was an option where you can say "I think we should break up"
Astarion laughs at you and says:
"Remember, you are mine.
The tadpole is gone, which means your future is mine to decide.
How lucky are you that I chose you as my consort.
Chose you to help me take Baldur's Gate, then sit by my side as I rule it.
There's no backing out now - we'll be together forever. ~ I can promise you that ~"
Certainly get more of the M/s vibe overall from him, but perhaps that's what Tav wants. People chose to live in those types of power dynamic relationships IRL and have healthy and happy lives.
I wish there was a bit more to the end of the romance, I can see it going terribly or wonderfully for Tav and Astarion. Which I sort of love and sort of hate lol.
@@PrincessQuinnevere i take it to be the more royal meaning because lord astarion is constantly reminding tav, this is OUR power, WE will rule, WE are the most powerful people, this world will be YOURS and MINE alone, etc etc. it’s like the royal position of queen consort.
It’s very clear the writers used the dnd dark kiss/vampire bride ritual as the transformation he puts tav through, the process strahd did, which is detailed in van richtens guide to vampires. The vampire lord often gaslights the vampire bride into believing she is a spawn so he can have control but she actually has free will and will figure it out eventually.
It’s quite telling when you ask astarion if he will compel you and he avoids the question with another question, “why would I need to?” Even in the new patch 5 after party epilogue we never see him compel tav (her eyes would go red like the other spawn we saw being controlled by cazador, if you notice their eyes go back to normal colors when he dies) also in that astarion tells tav they will drink each others blood, and if tav bites astarion in game nothing new happens (obviously could be a failure on the devs part but I see it as she is already a vampire and just doesn’t know it.)
So i believe if they ever did a follow up you’d see a much different dynamic between the two of them in the future once tav figures out she’s a vampire bride and not simply a spawn. Especially if tav is a bhaalspawn, things could get very interesting between them 🤔 could either go darkly romantic OR warring vampires haha! The writing is in the wall and I’m dying to see it.
to those who don’t know: Neil(the VA for our favorite vampire) has a Twitch and he played the game.
Its so entertaining to watch him play❤😄
@@spintherella he was streaming today. he was playing BG3 with Tom aka Gale. He was chaotic as usual lol.
from the minute 2:10 until 2:30 the sexiest and most perfect thing we will ever hear
Haha, that is EXACTLY what I thought - I don't think the voice actor could've delivered those lines more perfectly.
WOWWE THE CUT SCENE IS OUT WOHOOOOOOO!!
Okay time to put up a cpllection for group therapy. Ill provide muffins!! 😂😂😂😂
while some might interpret the scenario as Astarion probably never actually intending to turn you into a true vampire, I like to imagine what he said about probably needing time to adjust as just that: time spent adjusting before completing the change eventually. and considering he's referring to Tav as a consort rather than a concubine or even a pet constantly, I do believe he might actually intend to turn Tav into a true vampire eventually since he knows he wouldn't really have to worry about betrayal in this specific situation where there is a love bond strong enough for them to want to try living eternally together. that and I did read a comment talking about the vampire bride/groom which, if true, only reinforces my thoughts here.
I’m with you 🙌🏻
If you choose the dialogue option and ask how he turned her, he says that he gave you a drop of his blood. It's how vampire brides are made in dnd. Shes not a spawn, shes a full vampire. That drop of blood is also how shes protected from the sun. Shes locked into a vampire marriage with him.
Ah yes. "He's not an abuser he's just being honest" the ENTIRE point of this route is that this version of Astarion is just Cazador.
@@Ssekkaha actually the lead writer confirmed that ascended astarion is still himself in a recent ign interview, and even more recently Neil, Astarions VA, explained that when Astarion ascends his mask is no longer on and what you see is who he really was the whole time. His silliness and theatrics were a mask to hide his pain but when he ascends he doesn’t need it anymore. Ascending restores him to the corrupted bastard he always was in life, doesn’t “make him cazador” because he always was corrupted anyway. His official bio confirms that. If you don’t let him ascend, you push him to become a new person, which is fine if that’s your playstyle. But no, he isn’t cazador.
@@Ssekkahathis is how they cope with their favorite romance lol. Tav is most definitely a spawn and this is definitely an abusive ass relationship 😂 the guy even makes you kneel for a kiss after the new patch. This is a totally different astarion. Cazador 2.0 is a very accurate title.
Astarion "So, tell me what you desire" Sir thats Morning Stars line, but for you ill allow it 😏
Nah the dialogue options are crazy, the option at the video start of “I want you, I want your body” had me dead 💀
I love how yandere obsessive he is, the ascended astarion
Ah, was hoping for the whole love scene, even if you had to blur or keep clothes on. Been looking for an example that isn’t the dragon-born characters lol. Still, thanks for the upload 😊
Ahh sorry! I’m just keeping it pg on this platform 🙏🏻
Ign has them all.
@@BebbaDubbs Ign? What’s that?
@@darkurgediaries
Sorry for asking, but how did you keep their clothes on in the scene?
Ur character is gorgeous 😍
Thank you so much!! 🤍
Can I mention how adorable the Dark Urge looks 😭❤️
@@mysryuza omg thank you!! She is my baby 🥹🖤
@@darkurgediaries how did you get her too look like that did you use mods she looks so beautiful!!!
@@dylanprovence8435 thank you so much! I use a lot of mods, tavs hair salon and vemperens heads are a good start!!
The fact that people miss that Astarion says you'll be his bride his favorite spawn and still claim tav is a full vampire is so baffling.
If you look at the official dnd guide that covers vampire brides, it states that in most cases, the vampire lord will lie to his bride and make her believe she is a spawn so he can have control, this is why.
He also shares his blood which alone makes it so the player isn't a regular spawn, in the lore at least.
The whole thing is kind of confusing with the gameplay/dnd lore differences.
Still, regardless of what the ascension haters say about Astarion the fact remains that this scene is basically a marriage proposal, wedding, and wedding night wrapped into one and that is why I have a hard time going the spawn route among other reasons.
@@britt6184 looking objectively Tav is still a spawn even if they are a consort. Per Astarion's words they are a spawn consort and Astarion never says otherwise. More than a spawn sure, but not a vampire. That's fact. And if you play the spawn route Astarion flat out said he almost became cazador. It's really not about hating astarion (I think him and all the other origin characters are great), it is just paying attention to what he says and not putting head canon over what the characters say in game.
I´m going to repeat myself but i hate the writer for assuming my character helped him to ascend because she "lusts" after him. My durge would never say any of those dialog options. She helped him because she loves him, not for his body or power.
I still like the scene after they talk. He becomes more possessive but he is still so sweet to her.
I take solace in the fact that the person who said that was only a secondary writer who filled in during crunch time, it wasn’t Rooney who was Astarions actual writer. It was just that secondary writer’s opinion that got taken wildly out of context, and not at all what the devs had in mind.
@@darkurgediaries Oh, i know it was a diffrent writer and you´re absolutely right about her opinion taken out of context. Honestly she did a great job with durge, i adore my character. Durge is just so disturbing and weirdly adorable at times, i love it! Plus extra content with Astarion thanks to her but she still screwed up with this scene. And, at least until it is fixed, i will not forgive her for that. She se*ualized Astarion herself in this scene. Astarions real writer calls it the evil not the bad end. This is a roleplaying game but players get shamed here for their choice to help him ascend when you can do far more worse things in the entire game. I hope Larian does something for this scene with patch 6.
Giving all the Red flag chasers that lust After astarion in like 80% of the content that involves him i can't blame em
At first I thought he was going to drain all your blood through your hand and I was thinking "how???" 😅 Good thing it was more of just a token kiss/bite
5:20 its actually Ridiculous how second hand embarrassed i get from this . He so attractive 😍 😩 😫 😭
I feel like I am the only person that would not do that shit lol
@@simsence831 different strokes for different folks 🤗
I haven't even played the game and i still find astarion hot
I purchased the game because of Astarion. Join us.
@@mostlyghostey yo really my dad has it on his Xbox for free cuase of his pass he has I just started playing it and I got astarion on my team
And even if he goes back on his word you can always compel him with the Netherbrain.
On ur knees Darling the VA knew what he did
I’m on a third playthrough, first playthrough I let astarion stay as spawn (romanced), but now I want to see him ascend. I’m just nervous because him ascending is supposedly the “bad” ending for him and I don’t want that lol
Definitely do it at least once, its worth seeing! I think it’s all really subjective, and while I thoroughly enjoyed his Spawn path I actually prefer Ascended, it’s just way more to my personal flavor! Ascended is very get-what-you-give and people on youtube tend to only share his reactions to negative dialogue choices. Yes he is on the dark side, but sometimes the dark side can be delicious 😋 The great thing about fantasy games/literature is that we know it’s not real life, so we can have fun exploring the dark side safely. Some people tend to forget that video game choices don’t reflect on who you are irl 😅
@@darkurgediaries what do you think about him ascended with the new patch?
@@jsoup82 personally not a fan of the new kisses, he is meant to be possessive and lavish tav like his cherished treasure, it's not giving that xD but honestly if they just changed the facial expressions to pleasure rather than fear I could live with it
@@darkurgediaries I agree!
Nah. Help him to ascend is not the "bad" outcome for him👍 He will get what he always wanted: power and freedom👍Not killing Cazador- THIS IS the very bad ending for Astarion 👍
If I remember right the makers of the game say that he still loves tav deeply but its an obsessive love not the more healthy one you get if he doesnt ascend. He makes you a actual vampire because he loves you but he wont let you leave him either way if that makes since.
@@DorksidertheGreat there is a secret ending where he allows tav to stay mortal instead of becoming a vampire, and in this secret ending he also allows tav to leave if they want to, he has a lot more depth than people credit him for. The obsessive love notion is a fan theory and not in the dev notes, as I have scoured the internal game files myself to read the devnotes! Either way, I love both spawn and ascended astarion as they each have their own “flavor” and suit different playstyles better ☺️
I.....i need to have this man no matter what in my first playthrough
He beats around the bush so much.
I don't think Bhaal would let Astarion have as much control as he thinks he has, at least not for long.
I am just annoyed that there is only 1 way for him to become a full vampire, because not all vampires are pure evil.
@@j.d.4697 the only thing that really makes me prefer ascended vampires to regular ones is that they are not undead and don’t suffer the pain and torment that normal full vamps have that causes them to go mad. And they regain all the benefits of being mortal, able to eat, go in the sun, they have full emotions, etc. the cost is sacrificing 7000 souls but if the player is willing to make the sacrifice I think the reward is worth it myself as a mostly evil player haha. I definitely see how a good player wouldn’t want to do it, but honestly releasing 7000 feral spawn isnt exactly good to do either and it will actually break your paladin oath if you have one, so even then I say may as well let Astarion benefit. He doesn’t suddenly become evil when ascended he just stops hiding his true nature like he was before, Neil Newbon spoke about that!
Im so upset this wasnt an option even with the good ending
If you're talking about the ending where he stays a spawn then he literally cant turn you.
The only option would to become the spawn/slave to a different vampire.
There’s something about the way he talks here that makes me viscerally uncomfortable
@@jcosmozd it’s definitely polarizing, it seems people either love it or hate it! I find it really comforting myself, so weird! It’s why I’m glad Larian provided us with two “flavors” of Astarion so everyone gets the version they like ^_^
kinda need to see how daddy baal deals with this issue
As long as durge is racking up corpses Bhaal doesn’t care haha
The backshots 😱
5:10 to 5:36......ASTARION OH MY GOD...
Is this the game Cartman wanted to play?
So then if tav ever did die.. and feelings are twisted with him, im curious how that would go down. Would he like grieve or would it just be like "i'll make another one eventually, i got all the time in the world". Can ascended even feel grief or loss like that? 🤔
@@kennedyflint6140 ascended has all of his mortal feelings and emotions returned to him, that’s part of the point of the ritual, the ascension didn’t twist him, he was already twisted and just masking, Neil Newbon spoke about that in one of his streams not too long ago. The mask just comes off when he ascends. He would grieve I think for sure, the nasty things he says like replacing tav are after tav betrays him dumping him and it’s all said to lash back at tav who just broke his heart because the mask goes back on after that and he is protecting himself the only way he knows how.
Omg, that is all? I want more! Where is the pain in birth in interview with Vampires? But that was good! :)
What happens if you refuse to kneel? I only ascended him once and chose to kneel for him. Does that affect how he’ll make you kneel on your kisses after?
If you say no, he will say ‘yes’, and you can then either kneel or say no again, and if you say no again, he takes it as a breakup and he leaves the room and you are no longer together.
@@darkurgediaries awww. :( come on Azzy, that is such a stupid thing to get mad about.
Neil has a channel here on TH-cam!
I will be with you forever you handsome Man U
I just got this game and my first thing I wanna do is become a vampire which isnt possible but hey at least ik how to become one later
I freakin love Asterion, hes so solly, just as odd as Abnur, Lyris, and Codwell from ESO
@@lord_ganondorf ahh I wish I could play for the first time again, you’re in for such a treat!!
Hey, is it possible to please share your mod list?...or at least the mods you used for this tav...? thank you :)
Tav’s hair salon, vemperen’s heads, and eyes of the beholder! Her fangs I modded myself from scratch and the dress is available in basket full of equipment mod :)
@@darkurgediaries Awesome, thank you so much, I appreciate it.
@@darkurgediaries Can you upload the fang mod or describe how to do the mod from scratch?
@@TheBlackLakeSiren unfortunately i don’t know how to turn my edits into shareable mods, and I don’t know if the creator of this head would allow my edited version to be shared 🥲 you just have to know how to use blender and add tiefling teeth to an elf head, there are a lot of great tutorials here on youtube, that’s how I learned 🙌🏻
@@darkurgediarieswhich dress is it?
I need someone to actually choose “let it hurt”, i have still never see it LOL
😉 th-cam.com/video/2qDsjgaokkE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2QNI5yCZvsROChYO
Holy shit!!! 🤣
Anyone knows the track that plays during the romance scene? I know it's "I wan't to live" but it seems a much somber version and I can't find it anywhere.
@@Synthia17 i think it’s just i want to live insteumental, but I’m not certain! Will comment again if I figure it out
@@darkurgediaries All instrumentals I found is either the one that plays after he kills Cazador as a spawn or the piano one in camp so if you manage to find it, you'd be an actual champion :)
@@Synthia17 I think this is it! th-cam.com/video/DRpa5we-wIc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GvIDQjfUjXUnrzez
@@darkurgediaries Oh my Gods it is! Thank you kindly you absolute legend!
@@Synthia17 you’re so very welcome!!
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Uh... can't stand this guy. I left him to die at the crash site
Whats happens in the endgame cutscenes? Like if you do this and dont become a mind flayer. When you kill the netherbrain and get rid of your tad pole? Do you also start burning in the sun and have to run away?
They continue living a life of luxury in the palace together, astarion is able to extend his ascended sun protection to tav as long as she is with him so no burning 🙏🏻
Its so funny that I could put away my morals and my soft heart and just sacrifice all the spans for his happiness, but I couldn't put aside my pride and kneel before him. NAH, that's where I draw the line. I'll rather keep the still sweet and cute Astarion than this ascended dom wanna be. His way new personality towards Tav just most of the time pisses me off.
Definitely a different strokes for different folks situation! I'm thankful Larian provides us with options to suit our fantasies
It doesn't seem fair when people call Ascended Astarion bad and Spawn Astarion good.
Like this he still cares and loves Tav beyond question, letting him Ascend might make him a little power hungry 😆
But he is still sweet and tender, especially when biting Tav to change her
I'm sure a huge Astarion and Neil fan that I love him both ways! 😍
Such, not sure, sorry for the typo lol
I agree! 🤍
Have you tried romancing Ascended Astarion and sacrifice your Tav to become Illithid? Because that 180° changed my view of him...
@@1000fix didn’t change my thoughts, i don’t blame him for not wanting to be with a literally soulless monster that wants to eat his brain.
I think it's the breakup after being bit that got people not liking acceded Astarion. Where he basically says no you can't do that, your MINE forever...blah blah, basically become his 'chosen pet/slave'.
Hey, do you have by any chance a version of the turning into a spawn scene where Tav chooses 'let it hurt' option instead?
I don’t at the moment but he grabs her neck in an intimate kind of way, bites it, then leans back up, thanks her, then goes back in for another bite!
@@darkurgediaries and now I need to see it, damn 😈 Would be cool if you had a chance to upload it as well, maybe as a short. I can't seem to find this version on youtube, _sighs_
@@antagonistlover adding it to the list!
@@antagonistlover I just uploaded it for you! th-cam.com/video/2qDsjgaokkE/w-d-xo.html
So... Who wants to join me in my therapy sessions?
I feel like bhall wouldnt allow this lmao
@@jackpandora3160 if anything it makes Durge stronger and even more bloodthirsty, I don’t think Bhaal would object to more killing
where are the vampire hunters when we need them? the infection is spreading.
Does anyone know what Astarion thinks when you roll wisdom and read his mind, after you becoming his spawn?
“He will always see you as degrading yourself if you continue to be with him, but perhaps you want to be degraded.” Many people interpret this line differently. Me personally, i think he sees you as degrading yourself by being with him because he feels you deserve better than him and you’re lowering yourself to be with him, and the last line means “perhaps you want to lower your standards” this is my interpretation. It’s how they translated it in the german version of the game when I played in german!
Is your first language German?
Sie spreche Deutsch?
(Sorry it's so horrible, I took German in high school)
I’ve been trying to find the dialogue, I’m curious… there was an option when he says something about it will be your last night alive and your last time being warm blooded. Tav could say something like I forgot I would be cold after this. What does he say back?
I was already hours too far ahead when I realized that was an option and I’ve been searching for the dialogue.
Ah you can see it’s the third option at 3:31
He asks if you’re having doubts or second thoughts, from memory!
@@darkurgediaries thank you!
I'll never ascend him in any of my playtroughs.. so thankyou. haha
@@kellyem2160 happy to provide! 🤍
Oh good. No dragon-born characters. That just looks weird, and makes the whole scene loses it's intimacy.
Fits well with karlach though.
Are there cosmetic changes to your character afterward? Probably hard to tell because your eyes are already red…
Sadly no, larian didn’t bother to make any changes
I've been trying to find a playthrough where you choose to "make it hurt", because I want to see the difference. Is it possible for you to make a video on that? 😭
He grabs the player’s throat in an intimate sort of way and bites the neck then proceeds to say thank you like in this video, and then the rest is the same 🤍
I haven’t romanced Astarion at all I just got to act 3 and nothing? Should I let him ascend and see if that works or am I too late? 😂
Ahh sadly if you missed his romance in act 2 it’s too late :(
Can you tell me, where you got the nice outfits. I would love to have them in my game too.
Mods! The modular equipment mod, civilian outfits mod, and the basket full of equipment mod mostly!
@@darkurgediariesWhy does the mods not work in my game? Do you maybe have a solution for me. We are trying to use the mods in multiplayer.
Does anyone know what happens if you tell him to make it hurt? Asking for a.....friend? 😅
He chokes you in a sexy kind of way aha
@@darkurgediaries....my friend is...thankfull😂😂❤❤
I still can’t get over how much the VA sounds like Tom Ellis in Lucifer 💀 I legit thought it was him at first lol
Where does this take place? In which act does it happen?
@@AyKedisi0611 act 3 after you help him complete the ritual!
Hi! Can you tell me how did you do that your characters have clothes in this scene? Originally they are naked. I would like to see this scene in my game with dressed characters :)
I had to go in and reprogram the actual coding for the game, there is unfortunately no easy way!
Can you show all the reactions all the different options?
I'll add it to my list to do soon 🙏🏻
Stop cus if he said bad boy instead i would of lost it 🫠
He does if your tav is male if i remember correctly!
is the long nails a mod? :( they're so pretty!
Yep! Long beautiful nails I think it’s called ^^ 🤍
Kissing over
I see you
what mod do you use for your tav?
@@knkmi i have a lot, but i highly recommend vemperen’s heads, tav’s hair salon, and basket full of equipment! 🤍
Is this in the epilogue? If not, do you get new abilities from this?
It’s in act 3 after he ascends and you are romancing him, you gain the vampire bite ability and when you run in battle you crouch down like astarion does 😆 no visual changes though sadly
@@darkurgediaries Thank you for the reply.
What does he say if you explore his mind?
@@356z if you fail, get says “bad girl” if you succeed, it says he feels you’re lowering yourself by being with him, but perhaps you want to lower yourself and he knows it, something along those lines. It’s been a long time since I did this one as I prefer to hear him say bad girl 😂 😂
What outfit are you wearing?
It’s the rich dress from the modular equipment mod 🤍
How do I get this scene I'm dying for it 😭😭😭
You must help Astarion ascend when that quest comes up 🤍
@@darkurgediaries Ya I figured that I had to do another full rest after having done that. took forever for me to hunt down the answer 😂
Okay but.. your character is so pretty
Many many mods! Thank you so much!! 🤍
@@darkurgediaries Well..👉👈
Do you have a list of them somewhere? :P
Pretty pretty please 🙏
@@lordvalinar774 I’ll make a list when I get home!
@@darkurgediaries Thank you! Subbing for sure
@@lordvalinar774 ahh thank you so much!! 🤍
will he only turn you if he fullfilled the ritual? how is it when you play good
@@jonadipsy4638 he can only turn you if he completes the ritual, because if he remains a spawn, spawn can’t create new vampires. But his spawn playthrough route is nice! I won’t spoil anything but it has some really beautiful moments ☺️
@@darkurgediaries I still didnt decide what route i want to take ;( I love him becoming more nice but idk i love everything abt him haha
Milo
Do you have to complete the ritual for him to offer to turn you ?
@@angelnathan9172 yes because he can’t make vampires if he is a spawn 🙏🏻
Is that an endgame or you can still play afterwards?
@@Ilkanar it happens in act three and you still play afterwards!
@@darkurgediaries Avesome!
What dress is that and where did you get it?
Basket full of equipment mod, rich dress!
Wait do you have to ascend astarion for this?
Yes
@@darkurgediaries how do i get this scene and what does ascend mean .. im sorry ik im stupidddd
@@angelinajasmin1732 you will know when you get to act 3!
is it only dark urge that can get turned?
@@vcka anyone can! 🤍
Anyone can be turned on by Astarion.
Ohhh you meant turned to a spawn, that to
😳🫣 omg spicy so spicy
bruh you all need jesus
Cursed internet, can't tell if you're joking or not
No we need Astarion 😂