And the other end, Black Doom DOES want him to come out. What's more: he's confident he can take him out no problem. What's even more: Black Doom believes he wouldn't even need to dirty his hands, when Shadow can do the job he has to do anyway to get Doom Wings and complete his transformation. Black Doom looks down on Mephiles and thus elevates himself.
@@ITAndroMedian Ironically, in terms of danger, Mephiles is *so* much worse than Black Doom. Keep in mind that Ian Flynn has confirmed that Iblis is *still* fused within Blaze, meaning that Iblis *still* exists. Had Mephiles beaten Shadow and actually gotten into White Space, there's nothing stopping him from booking it to Blaze and killing her, setting Iblis free and becoming Solaris again, which keep in mind, is the most powerful being in all of existence and took *3* super forms at separate points in time to stop.
@@ITAndroMedian him an Infinite are the purest form of two critical threats people keep being ignorant of an it's gonna bite then in the ass combine Infinite with Meph an multiverse is quaking
I think a cool villain that could’ve shown up in Shadow Gens is… Shadow himself. Well, specifically Shadow from one of the bad endings of Shadow 05. Not only would it fit the whole “mirrors to Shadow” theme they have for the bosses, but it could also have Shadow confront the worst version of himself and what giving into the Doom Powers and rage could turn him into. Maybe Black Doom and the Evil Shadow could’ve fused for the final battle to see what BD was trying to become, only to show that he was never going to be superior to the Shadow we all know today, no matter what form he took.
Dark Route Shadow would've been an amazing pre-final boss. And it would've been the best time to bring Jason Griffith back one last time for a Shadow cameo like that
Another thing to note, Mephiles seemed genuinely wounded that he was forgotten by shadow *again.* Shows how much he's desperate to just *be* again. Doubt he even cares about the whole nuclear option anymore, bro's suffered, justifiably, won't deny that, but having nothing but his thoughts is certainly gonna have a toll. Oh, and I'm far from the first to say, but an extra mention goes to the extra measures/details + the time eater/eggman put in. Locked away somewhere super hidden from view, that his boss gate requires an extra key. That the world leading into the gate is *already colored in.*
Technically the area around ALL the boss doors are already colored in. The difference is Mephiles has an entirely different surrounding aesthetic that actually resembles the cave of his boss arena. Rather than getting a castle, Mephiles is deep in a cave, with it's own music separate from the White Space theme.
"... I thought what we had was special..." energy right there. Like he's realizing that, while Shadow is his greatest foe, he means absolutely nothing to Shadow at all. Shadow's like his Batman, but he is NOT Shadow's Joker.
Just a bit of context, most of Mephiles’ lines are lifted directly from 06, that “truly disappointed” line is a direct callback to 06 when he offered Shadow the chance to join him but Shadow refused.
Infinite. I wouldn't even care if we got a boss fight or not, I just think Shadow kicking Infinite's ass without thinking about it is just extremely funny.
True but honestly the events of forces shouldn’t even be happening if he did kick his ass in sxs cause that would imply that he is strong enough to beat infinite with the ruby so Eggman and infinite wouldn’t have a chance at taking over 99.99 percent of the world
we needed infinite in sxs gens. call me stupid but that mf couldve been badass but got screwed over so hard in sonic forces by shit writing, he just became an edgelord. but now, since the edgelord of shadow during that time can become a well written character, maybe we can see a well written infinite that has a real reason to shit the bed when getting beaten up by shadow (like srsly you couldve given him, like, self worth issues and him losing it after shadow beat him would make sense because he was always worried about him COME ON IT WAS NOT THAT HARD)
Ok here's my idea if infinite was in SXSG Like think about what doom does to shadow in act 1 of sunset heights, but put it in act 2 and replace dooms eye with infinite
@@Raincloud5137 Could have him seem to be a tool for Black Doom like in Forces but its quickly shown its a plow and later once Dooms stopped Infinite absorbs remains of this White Space an Doom to evolve gain some insane armor form with he haze of white space an masses from Black Arms cover his hands an body an once his eye opens its glowing all tree colors
While I like the idea, Infinite would obliterate Sonic or Shadow if they fought them at their current power in gens. I’d rather be come back post frontiers and get his comeback in a game that could make much more time for himm
Mephiles is not the only villain who came close to ending Sonic permanently. In SA2, Eggman completely outmaneuvers Sonic, and the only reason Sonic survived was because he managed to perform chaos control for the first time with an emerald that wasn't even real. I think that gets overlooked sometimes, like, Eggman should have won that and the only reason he failed was due to factors he could not possibly have taken into account.
0:28 I kinda thought Infinite would’ve been in Shadow Gens considering Infinite is one of the main villains because of Shadow. Now that I think about it, Shadow had a big impact on Infinite as a character
Yeah but infinite had zero impact on shadow tbh, it wouldn't really fit having infinite in the game. It would be pretty weird if shadow beat infinite who's a future villain. People are already arguing over who's stronger between sonic and shadow despite the fact Omega has stated in the game that sonic is shadow's equal. If infinite who beat future sonic lost to shadow from the past it would throw the whole sonic and shadow are equals to the fire. As much as I want infinite to get a redo I'd prefer if he came back in a future game. It would've been better if we got an emeral or sonic boss fight. Both of them would've worked well as rival fights.
Ian Flynn back in 2012 mentioned that Sonic Team originally intended for the Time Eater to be a portion of Mephiles that survived after Solaris's defeat, but this was never confirmed. It's also an interesting note that in an early script of Sonic Forces, Rouge mentions during the final battle that Infinite had created more Replicas, and Mephiles was one of those Replicas
I don’t think he could’ve manipulated Shadow. Silver was an easy mark because he’s naive and his situation was about as desperate as it could be. Shadow is a much more jaded person, and even when Mephiles tried to manipulate him with the truth of his future in 06, Shadow pretty much shrugged it off with the famous “If the world chooses to be my enemy, I’ll fight like I always have” line. It would’ve been cool to see Silver interact with him here. Since this version of Silver comes from a better future (assuming Colors DS is canon here) and he already knows the other characters, it would be interesting to see how he would respond to this obviously evil monster that claims to know him.
@@Hurtle885hu8bu I'm pretty sure they are... I mean, there's no reason for them not to be at this point. They're trying to avoid retcons as much as they can. It'd be weird if they decided to retcon the comic characters being mentioned in Frontiers.
The villains we got for Shadow Generations all fit as bosses, but I know most people would say Infinite should've been in the game. I do agree to an extent, but I genuinely think that King Arthur or even Merlina could've been good options as additional bosses. In all honesty, Merlina would fit more thematically than King Arthur, but King Arthur fits the aesthetic more. In terms of themes, the three bosses Shadow fights before he fights Black Doom all fit the theme of desperation. The Biolizard is fighting out of desperation for survival, Metal Overlord is fighting out of desperation for superiority, and Mephiles is fighting out of desperation for existence. Merlina would be fighting out of desperation for eternal life.
@@thesteelsquid863 True, but I just wanted to add my own interesting idea into the mix cuz Infinite is the default answer for a boss that people wanted. You are correct about Infinite, but I just thought that Merlina and/or King Arthur would be more interesting.
But all of those bosses have been previously fought by Shadow in some way. (I mean, he didn't fight Metal Overlord, but he did fight Metal Madness). I don't remember if you can fight the King Arthur/Merlina as him. Not to mention... Technically speaking Lancelot isn't actually Shadow. Besides, all of the bosses have SOME connection to Shadow (Biolizard is his prototype, Metal Overlord has his DNA, Chaos Control and also has some parallels with SA2 Shadow with the way he speaks about being the Ultimate Lifeform and calling Sonic a fake, as well as Shadow... And Mephiles is pretty self-explanatory) Merlina/King Arthur are more related to Sonic than anything. - .-)" (I wouldn't complain if we got to see them though, it'd be so cool to see what they could pull off for that fight)
Mephilis the Dark is probably not done. The new series writer loves him, and has said he'll bring him back if and when appropriate. I hope this isn't the end.
I'm still holding out hope, they could say that the scepter of darkness is how the eggmans escaped white space, which unknowingly freed Mephiles. The reason why he wouldn't have appeared in Lost World, Forces, or Frontiers is because like you said, he's taking a step back and saying "what adjustments do I need to make" especially after getting stomped by Shadow.
Mephilles' desire to merely exist is also exploitable by black doom. Black doom can offer a way to exist as a vessel for doom, and then in a final two stages fight, stage 1 black doom is in control, but in stage 2 Mephilles gain's control because black doom is weak but sees the disadvantageous situation he's in and is panicking the same way as in this fight by way more erratic and obvious. He lost his will to gain this existence and the second he gets it he has to desperately fight to survive against Shadow when shadow is not holding back. Mephilles' kind of turns into what Metal Sonic is to Sonic in Heroes. Sonic is himself, and is the star of the show. Metal wants to prove he is the real Sonic to validate his creation rather than be his own entity. Shadow is comfortable doing things his way and not being the star of the show and being in 'the shadows' (I'm not apologizing for this pun). Mephilles' is desperate to get out of the shadows and actually exist.
While I did want Infinite in shadow gens, the only character I really can't understand not appearing was Emerl. Infinite whether we like it or not, would have kicked shadow's @ss, since in this point in the timeline he isn't strong enough to face him. Emerl on the other hand would be a perfect rival battle, heck, could have been a perfect 2D level playable character, literally just give shadow emerl's skin, change the animations a little, and use his mimic abilities as an excuse for why he has the same moveset.
If this Shadow can defeat Devil Doom and Mephlies then infinite is no match for him , infinite isn't that strong anyway , he's literally nothing without that ruby
@@haiderraad468 It's not me saying, it's the games. The sonic from the beggining of forces is much stronger than the one from generations, and he got beaten up badly by Infinite, no way the shadow from gens will have even a slight chance against him, infinite is said as the strongest foe Sonic ever faced(before frontiers), shadow's doom powers are not giving him that much advantage, as I said, whether we like it or not, he IS cannonically stronger than Mephiles and Black Doom, and being a badly written villain or constantly depending on a super powerful gem doesn't automatically change that fact.
@@haiderraad468 Also, Infinite is stronger than both Black Doom and Mephiles, we just don't get that impression because he lacks a lot of the presentation the other two have, firstly because of the budget of forces being ridiculous and small, second because sega didn't want to use super sonic anymore at the time.
@@haiderraad468 Never got that argument. Thats like saying super sonic is nothing without the chaos emeralds, like, sure, but he's still one of fhe most powerful characters because he still has one of if not THE most powerful gems. He almost killed the entire planet with a sun, mephilis made some clones and drive-by'd sonic
Mephiles the Dark is my favorite Sonic antagonist so it was awesome to see him return as a boss fight in Sonic Generations. Admittedly I wasn’t a big fan of his new voice compared to Dan Green’s performance in Sonic 06, but Robbie Daymond’s performance isn’t terrible by no means either. And it’s starting to grow on me. And while I do wish Mephiles played a larger role in Shadow Generations, I understand why he was kept to a boss fight. Shadow Generations isn’t a long game and it’s clear Sonic Team wanted to have Black Doom as the central antagonist for Shadow in it. Which admittedly, he was handled well. Although, with how Mephiles was resealed into the Scepter or Darkness, I believe that it allows Sonic Team the option to have an excuse to revisit Mephiles in the future. As Mephiles cannot be killed, he can only be sealed away. Maybe there could be a future game where Mephiles is able to restore himself to the main timeline through using the Time Eater’s shattered core. And with that, he could come back as a more powerful looming threat that could strike at anytime. There’s ultimately a lot Sonic Team could still do with Mephiles. I mean, if Black Doom can seemingly return out of thin air, so could Mephiles.
I would’ve said infinite but that wouldn’t make sense because I think Emerl would be so much better. He was hyped in the first episode of dark beginnings so it would make total sense. Another thing is all the bosses are Shadow in some way and Emerl fits that perfectly.
Black Doom and Mephiles are easily my favorite villains and it’s sad they got brought back only for such a short game. I doubt they are gonna remaster Shadow 05 much less any of the other adventure era games. I’m glad it happened tho
mephiles isn't an dumb, his goal was to combine with iblis and he did exactly that, he manipulated silver to try and kill sonic, beat shadow, rouge and omega by himself and he is the only villain in the series to successfully kill sonic (u can definitely tell I made this comment before watching the rest of the video)
Infinite being in this game just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm glad it didn't happen. I can get past Shadow being in Sunset Heights, and Chaos Island, especially since he doesn't recognize those places or any events that took place there. But him meeting Infinite would be even more strange than meeting Mephiles, because they hadn't met yet, and it would imply Shadow just forgot him in Forces
I think he did. My theory is that a small fragment of Mephiles latched itself onto Shadow during their fight. And much like the black mass Mephiles originally was copying Shadow’s power and appearance, this parasite Mephiles would form an almost symbiotic relationship with Shadow. The parasite grows stronger using Shadow as a cocoon and eventually breaking free of Shadow’s body once strong enough.
Fun fact but Mephiles is the only boss in Shadow Gens who’ve heath bar doesn’t get fully depleted before getting prompted with the finisher QTE. So who knows, maybe they’ll update the game like they did with Frontiers and add an extra post credit scene where we see the sceptre of darkness slip through the cracks of white space and back into the timeline.
I actually theorized that he’ll do that, or maybe he split himself into fragments and one of those fragments went into Shadow’s body and used him as a cocoon.
Honestly i keep wondering, with the part of the void that startef collapsing, what would stop mepholes from taking advantage of it? Heck it could be use as a reason been inadvertently freed from his scepter prison, although it does seem at least on the cutscenes when he gains enough strength hed be able to free himself anyway, either way, the eggmen somehow find their way out of whitespace, whats to stop mephiles from doing the same if he was out of the scepter? Also as an aside i wouldve loved it if they had a secret emerl boss fight, like turning all the moves he learned into boss like attacks would be sick
If you don't like reading, I will leave a link to mephiles story video on youtube at the end of the comment showing why he is a plot hole. My thoughts on mephiles he certainly was desperate and underused. Mephiles in shadow generations was a plot hole, the reason why he is a plot is in 06 we see that after mephiles absorbed shadow's shade he became to powerful to be contained in the scepter of darkness. Shadow generations retconned that lore because they didn't want mephiles to overshadow black doom in generations. Also i would have expected him to use a clone again to escape out of the boss gate because that would have been in his character to do so. on the mephiles story video go to 16:50 showing why he is a plot hole and it does show shadow being cool. th-cam.com/video/X8SgC2HToqY/w-d-xo.html
@@CatJuicer the scepter only contained Mephiles while he was still unformed, just black goo or whatever. The moment he took Shadow’s form, the scepter no longer worked on him. It makes no sense that he was in the scepter as his crystallized form, or was able to be punched back into it one last time. I found the quote “The ‘I’ of now absorbed your power through your shadow in the past. What may have worked 10 years ago, no longer does!” You could say Mephiles just got weaker somehow, but it’s not because Iblis isn’t there. He was separated through the whole game and Mephiles only got stronger with time.
@@asnwolf4507 well the sceptre could’ve been made stronger by the time eaters influence to contain mephiles till someone got near it aka shadow. Hell who’s to say eggman didn’t find out about mephiles with the time eater and just made sure the sceptre could hold him till someone took care of him
@@CatJuicer my personal headcanon is that there is no scepter, Mephiles was just using the image of one to set a trap. Shadow instantly calling it "a seal" is bs though, that just felt like an exposition line, took me out of the moment.
I do like the idea of shadow having a reoccurring enemy in Mephiles in the same way sonic has Eggman (as an aside I do believe Infinite would be a great main enemy for Silver, tho my reasoning requires more explaining), but I think the execution of Mephiles being brought to the main timeline could only properly come from him having some interaction or interference with the time eater upon his defeat. Sonic's fights with the time eater doesn't even end with its own cutscene, just the in game moment of them blasting through it followed by an explosion. If Mephiles found some way to escape the scepter after his fight against shadow, and if the time eater's destruction causing everyone to be sent to the fixed timeline could be intercepted or manipulated by Mephiles then I could see him becoming shadows main enemy who exists paradoxically kinda like reverse flash.
Personally I think there should've been a boss fight against a shadow android mainly because it plays a very important part in shadow's story in sonic heroes/shadow 05
If 06 is to the Sonic franchise was the prequels are to Star Wars, then Mephiles is prequels Palpatine. No, his plan doesnt make much sense, but man is he just so awesome and fun to watch anyway
Not gonna lie... Mephiles just had a rough upbringing, being split from Iblis by the kingdom trusted with his flame... then betrayed and locked in the scepter of darkness for many years, before Mephiles even had the chance to do anything at all... even being "forgotten" by the one who sealed him... the festival that once was (most likely) dedicated to him, still being celebrated by the people who robbed him of his freedom... a god reduced to a nobody, a prisoner forgotten by the world as it moved on from him... not to say Mephiles wasn't just evil, I'm definitely not trying to say he was right... but, man, if all that isn't enough to justify being upset against life, then I don't know what is.
I have to give props to the build up, so first of all his chamber is sealed off and unable to go into until shadow gets his squid form, and then when you enter the chamber, there are no enemys, the layout is impossible to get through by any normal means and the fact he needs 4 keys to fight, and he is still sealed in that scepter, it really feels like the time eater,black doom or SOMETHING is trying to keep mephlies in there forever
I actually saw a video on what if Mephiles returned via a final portal releasing him in the sceptre. Through your way of him persuading Shadow telling him he can help against Black Doom. Shadow agrees and helps Mephiles out. As they prepare to fight Black Doom Mephiles explains his backstory. Though leaving out some aspects. Saying how he was a god once but was erased after his source was extinguished. He will then say he’s been trapped in a limbo. Then upon defeating Black Doom Mephiles reveals the truth. Telling Shadow that he defeated him with Sonic and Silver. He then says he plan to take revenge on all those who bested him. Then reveals that the Time eater is a fragment of him that he intends to use to restore himself fully. This then leads to a second boss fight with Mephiles which is harder. Of course Shading defeats him and tells him that the void will be his eternal prison. The story continues as it goes with the final cut scene. Leaving Mephiles trapped in the void. However in a post credit scene Mephiles finds a portal and escapes, though he escapes post Frontiers. It could also be interesting if Mephiles says how he’s a God of time and he can alter events. Telling Shadow he can give him a world with a cured Maria still alive. Though Shadow rejects the offer. Anyway after Mephiles escapes he begins to plan his vengeance. Thinking of taking revenge on all those who were responsible for his downfall. Whilst also trying to figure out how to restore Iblis.
12:30 yes please we beg you. may i also suggest: mephiles plans to assassinate blaze or take her and/or the sol emeralds' power as either a substitute or means of resurrecting iblis. and hey, maybe infinite/zero gets thrown around along with the phantom ruby (unless there is an in-universe explanation as to where those two went i am just completely not in the know of) which substitutes his Purple Emerald of Time Travelling thing or is revealed to **be** said P.E.o.T.T. it could also add some sort of origin/character building for silver to make him more than just an optimist but also a realist
Here's an idea, what if Mephiles pulled a Lich (Adventure Time) and tethered himself to someone to sneakily escape the void with everyone else? Like we have the perfect escape goat with Big & Froggy and it wouldn't be the 1st time Froggy gotten taken over by something. There are also the Chao's and Rouge- Maybe she could've found the scepter after Shadow left and thought of it as some treasure worth keeping? Or, maybe he could've simply escaped with Eggman with him taking the scepter with him on his way out. And since the 06 timeline is erased, there shouldn't be any paradoxes. 11:55
Can you imagine from Mephiles' POV from this is that while Shadow is his greatest enemy... He means absolutely nothing to Shadow in the slightest. It's like wanting to be in the A Tier of a rogues' gallery, but you're designated c-string. You want to be Joker, but you're nothing more than Condiment King. Alternatively, Mephiles' relationship with Shadow could be the equivalent of parasocial. Shadow literally doesn't care he basically trapped a guy in a paradoxical time loop out of negligence, and Mephiles is PISSED.
A game were Mephilis is both one of the main villains and is vulnerable in such a way that he needs another villain would be interesting as a way to show another side of him.
Infinite would've been perfect in the game. The way the boss fight could've been better than the whimsical excuse that is homing attacking into his head and giving him brain damage, but that could still stay, the whole idea could be Infinite makes one of his weird clones, but the twist would be for most of the bossfight you wouldn't go up against Infinite, but a clone of Shadow with all of Shadow's current abilities in game, and attacking the clone sends you skydiving down into the bossfights from Sonic Forces and after attacking Infinite you get sent back to the Shadow clone over again with a different ability being used, and make it a combination of all the boss fight stages for that Shadow has to go through (except the final fight). So Infinite could have his boss fights and Shadow can be hitting himself too, but it wouldn't effect the clone, just send Shadow to Infinite. And they could improve the silly "I am not weak" line.
To manipulate Silver and Blaze again? Nah they're not going for good writing when it comes to villain characters anymore and Mephiles is already in Shadow's section of the game being trapped in a paralleled version of dusty desert and being sealed inside the scepter of darkness again even though when Shadow tried to seal him again he couldn't and Mephiles explained why it didn't work
@Iblis_and_Mephiles_fan You say this as if Black Doom wasn't a major part of Shadow's story. Also, even though this a joke, they could always do a retroactive decision like with the yellow emerald
@@End_Productions yeah Black Doom was well written sorta but sending Shadow constantly to radical highway Shadow was obviously gonna learn Black Doom's patterns and obviously used them against Black Doom, he also has Doom powers which was able to destroy the other villains of Shadows rogue's gallery, it was like Doom wanted Shadow to win against him making his plans useless
@Iblis_and_Mephiles_fan Well, I mean, would you rather have lesser game play value? Shadow picking up on Doom's tendencies doesn't make Doom a bad villain. Shadow just knew who he was up against. Also, the Doom powers were to prove a point. Don't say that they're not trying to be interested with their villains when they clearly are taking stories seriously
Shadow generations is not great or bad,it's meh form me. Let me remind people why sonic gen. Is better than shadow gen. Sonic has 9 level which shadow has 6 levels,three levels apart. Sonic has 6 bosses(not including final boss) while shadow has 3 bosses(same treatment) where others six? Like i want to see sonoc,emerl and infinite,but nope there not here. Level shadow there no level shadow's his levels,instead sega put sonic frontiers which only two years. And another thing that level desing is feels you play sonic forces with mods.
See, the problems with these wishlist/wasted potential videos is that most of the ideas put into the table would require more resources than Sonic Team probably had when making this game. The ideas are cool, but way more worthy of a AAA title than anything. To tell a story this big, the game needs to be a more well produced game which, in the case of a remaster + expansion, would likely never happen. All in all, don't blame Ian Flynn or Sonic Team for not coming up with these crazy ideas, they probably had to work within some restrictions. And also, manage your expectations lol, some of these are just way too much.
Have you seen the story of Sonic Rush? The story of Sonic Battle? These spinoffs go apeshit with the lore sometimes, lesser scale games can still afford being wild.
@TheKorenji Lesser scale games that are (debatably) less resource-demanding to make. Plus, Sonic Rush was a full on title for the DS, heck, it was even outsorced!
@@ar7hur06 Yeah, Sonic thrives on lesser scale games for the most part, just look at the Advance series for example... either way, what I'm sayin' is a small game can have a big plot without any dissonance, if they could do Emerl in a GBA game, they can pull off the Mephiles & Blaze plotline in a Spin-Off.
@TheKorenji Emerl was only dealing with project shadow's plotline. Mephiles + Blaze would be mixing two diferent plotlines and worlds that most likely would create some mcu multiverse shenanigans. Not really the best bet right now, they should invest on the ancient plotlines they started in Frontiers.
I know that Shadow never appeared in Sonic Rush Adventure, but Johnny should have been in it. They literally give shadow a surfboard, then make him fight Metal Overlord. Johnny is perhaps the most forgotten sonic character, and he definitely deserves to show up again.
Question Answer: Gerald said we're seeing glimpses of other timelines; so Diablon would be on the table as a boss fight. Although if you're looking for a villainous character and not just a boss fight... maybe Sage? We didn't get a fight against her as Sonic, and I feel like Chaos Spear being able to attack a cyber-construct like her would be coherent. Have her confuse him for Sonic, then him correct, and her response be something like "Professor Gerald's creation - with no respect for being Robotnik family property - doubling fire-power". Real Post: I wasn't really a Mephiles fan - I've always found it a bit weak that he failed to do a Faustian Bargain when he's named after Mephistopheles, the demon who made the original Faustian Bargain. That said I loved his big hammy energy that comes from Dan Green's pharaoh voice. So honestly, it is kind of hilarious to me that they completely changed his voice, and yet his new situation is so much more compelling to me. I want a story about Mephiles trying to reintegrate himself back into the timeline. Just imagine an uneasy alliance between Shadow and Black Doom, where Shadow has to borrow Doom Powers again to stop Mephiles from reintegrating himself into the world. Maybe even have a depowered Mephiles get to exist in the ending of that story, and try to mirror the idea of Shadow reintegrating his dark-powers without letting them have power over him against Mephiles trying to be reintegrated into reality without remaining a threat. I feel like, since based on comments they seem to want Black Doom to be Shadow's Eggman, a story like that could allow plenty of future struggles with Black Doom to feel like a natural part of Shadow's story... because honestly that is Shadow's biggest problem. He's such a story driven character that you need to do a lot more ground-work to give him a recurring villain, and Black Doom isn't fully there yet even if he is the closest and best fitting any character has ever been.
@@Garrulous64 Yeah. Honestly Shadow Generations had so much awesome boss design that I would have loved to have had more. I have seen an analysis that "every boss is a variant of Shadow" and thematically I feel like Black Bull would have fit very neatly with that. They are essentially Black Doom's pet, and I would have loved to have seen them get as big a glow-up as the biolizard. Conceptually I've always liked the idea that they were some kind brood-mother for the Black Arms bats. Especially now given the light-brush of Body-Horror that Doom-Powers, the Biolizard, and even the Devil Doom transformations enjoyed... Can you imagine how cool it would look to see a flock of Black Arms bats crawling out of Black Bull's mouth? (Apparently the creature some folks have mistaken for a Black Bull redesign is called Black Macho. I can't really blame folks for the confusion cause Radical Highway Act 2 has such a clear mix of Lethal Highway and Westopolis that it would naturally make folks think of Black Bull.)
Translated from Spanish using Google Translate: In Sonic 4, Silver should only be in his future until Mephiles arrives and manipulates him, changing Elise for Blaze (without powers), who becomes the guardian of the Time Stones (which allow them to return from the future); the Sol Emeralds and other elemental stones, and the princess of Soleana (which would be a mix of Blaze's world with the Soleana from 06), the world to which Sonic belongs. Sonic and the gang (no humans) fight with Silver in Green Hills until Mephiles intervenes (they fight in a place similar to the dimensions of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness), ending up in Sonic’s world. At some point in the movie, Mephiles kidnaps Shadow, and these two would have their own subplot intermingling with the main one, just like in 06. Mephiles fights Knuckles; Shadow takes him away and is replaced by Silver (when Shadow is in the future, in some scenes from the original game where Omega and Rouge appear, he is replaced by Shadow while alone in Crisis City, for example, when Mephiles tells him that humanity blamed him for the end of the world; instead of being captured by Omega, it was G.U.N.), or by Sonic and Tails. Knuckles also fights Silver, with Blaze in between because she sympathizes with both sides, convincing Silver that they are not the cause of the chaos in his world. Until all those who were in the future appear, Mephiles tries to kill Knuckles, and Blaze gets in the way. Knuckles charges at him in fury, but Mephiles strips away the flames of disaster and becomes Solaris. They have to gather the Chaos Emeralds just like in Sonic 06, and Super Sonic, Silver, and Shadow confront Solaris and separate him. To revive Blaze, they trap Iblis in his body and use the Sol Emeralds, destroying Mephiles' staff, thus saving the future. Silver returns to his time with a Chaos Control like a Genki Dama, and Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles stay in his world of origin to protect the Wachowskis or however it’s spelled and Green Hills (because Lady Yoga and Lord Donut already have a child) since the fight with Silver in Green Hills nearly killed them.
Memphis should have been the main villain of the game. Him coming back would make more sense for some of the more trippy stuff goes on in game and is objectively the biggest threat to in the game
Bro fking mentioned blaze all about that and sht but... The only time he mentioned silver is when he got manipulated. Bro. His right there. Give my man some damn respect.
Mephiles forgetting about silver has bitten him in the behind 2 times now, because I don't know how he can constantly forget about the 1 person who is almost exactly like him when it comes to powers because silver just like Mephiles can unironically travel through time and space without the need of chaos Emeralds, so I have no idea why he doesn't just either a) convince silver to let him out or b) force silver to let him out.
What if when the movies get to the 06 era, since iblis was already defeated by knuckles, we just get Mephiles story? Like this Mephiles slipped out of reality and jumped into the movie universe? I think that would be so sick
Considering he’s the conscious of Solaris kind of wish one of his quotes was “No I won’t accept this I am a GOD!” With shadow last words to him saying “there no need for a god like you”
4:55 "strange creatures that not even we have seen before" WRONG! Time to face my nerdy wrath! Those are shadows, a small weak creature that not only appeared in Sonic 06 but also are present in Sonic Forces (the good one, not the bad one). In forces, Mephiles's attacks "Stalking Shade" and "Swarming Darkness" directly use them to attack the enemy players and any enemy hit by them or by his dash "Dark Embrace" get cursed. That curse is represented by having one or more of these shadows fly around the cursed player. When a cursed plyer tries to use an item the shadow will take it and disappear. So.. yeah, they're a thing.
He acts like Memphis hadn't went to the SOL dimension before. My Sonic OC (Snac The Hedgehog) has fought him in that dimension and he took care of him like he did with infinite.
Infinite as a boss wouldn't make sense as its said shadow doesn't know alot of the places he is visiting or remember alot of the bosses he is fighting so it really wouldn't make sense for him to mess with the future, also his main goal is to defeat black doom and not care about the others.
"Mephiles can't recombine with Iblis, as Iblis is nowhere to be seen." I'm pretty sure that the lava monsters found in Crisis City are extensions of Ibils' power, and Silver's first boss fight against Iblis takes place at the end of his version of Crisis City. As such, I think its safe to say that Iblis does exist in this realm, and is probably going through something similar to Mephiles. At least, to the extent that it is aware of anything, given it is rather animalistic. Its just that Iblis is stuck somewhere in Sonic's portion of white space.
You know what villain should've been in Shadow Generations,Shadow specifically, Movie Shadow.I know we're getting Sonic Movie 3 DLC in Shadow Generations, but the Shadow in the DLC is Game Shadow, so imagine if Game Shadow ends up meeting with Movie Shadow and then they fight to prove who is the real Shadow.
A lot of people have said it already, but Emerl would've been a cool antagonist to see, as well as a cool boss fight. Like imagine him copying your doom powers and using them against you
Your ideas are really cool, I love your creativity man. For my boss, imma give 2 of them and 3 stages. Emerl, Infinite, Asteroid Coaster, Dragon Road, and Black Comet. I really wished all these were in the game. The thing is though, there is no way we could have gotten any of this in the game. You gotta remember, this is half remaster, and is smushed between many other projects. Sonic Team already put so much time and money on polishing the game. I'm sure they wanted to put way more in this game, but they quite literally could not afford to. I'd call it "too much potential" rather than wasted.
When you said mephiles going to the sol demention, where he would fight blaze and then sonic and shadow show up to fight, all i could think was. this is just the goku black arc in dragon ball super. altho it would be cool to have blaze as a main character for a game
maybe chaos island was discovered by eggman before gens, it wasnt made clear in frontiers when he discovered the starfall island, but it still doesnt make any sense bc shadow never went there.
I LOVE your story analysis videos and the videos when you create fan theories/what if’s about scenarios you’re passionate about. Would love to see ideas you’re cooking regarding Mephiles, he’s such a fun villain. Great video!
i rly like how mephiles was handled too it was super well written. imo i think the thing i'm most disappointed in shadow gens for was just the length. i was hoping there'd be one or two more stages- my pick wouldve been asteroid coaster, with shadow empathizing with the frenzy and black hole wisps. i think itd be the best choice too since he appears there in colors DS, and the doom powers are kinda similar to the wisp powers. i also think a sonic riders stage wouldve fit in amazingly seeing as shadows still on rollerblades for his entire life. i never played sonic riders so i cant say which would fit best, but i think we couldve used a funny stage, for pacing. i was also hoping there'd be rival fights and boss fights, i thought an infinite fight was a-shooin and a REAL PLAYABLE sonic fight would have like. yknow. actually happened? even if its a lose in the custscene type thing i wouldnt have cared. then again the shadow fight is maybe the best fight in sonic generations, idk how they wouldve made it better, but even just having almost the same fight with slightly different moves wouldve been cool! i dont care that it wouldve had to been shoehorned into the story, its wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff they couldve figured it out
I think having some sort of G.U.N related boss fight would have been interesting, maybe a reworked Diablon. The fight would not only be some sorely needed Shadow 05 representation but I can see the narrative potential of Shadow being confused why this alternate timeline version of the commander hates him so much, and it could also work to tie in with the moments where Black Doom's influence in Shadow makes him more prone to violence and anger.
i rememeber the days when virtually every fan hated Infinite when he appeared, but now suddenly everyone wants him back even though nothing happened to him since Forces
well people always had some love for him regardless all the covers, remixes and mashups with other dramatic audio media ever the years shows people do dig his vibe the video mixing it with Erwin war speech from flipping Attack on Titan and the one mixing it with a Ultrakill bosses lines are insane lol
The monsters that come with dark gaia in unleashed, are ghosts that mephiles in 06 take and spawn as demon versions- which are all in themselves the dead spirits of the aliens that black doom spawns in shadow. The aliens die, they become the ghosts as they appear in unleashed, but some of these ghosts are taken and turned into demons by mephiles. Because iblis, dark gaia, devil doom, the time eater, and the end are somehow all one in the same ancient deity that, also, possessed chaos in adventure and metal sonic in heroes. Wee, the audience (including sonic and friends) are only given all these different titles for this one deity throught the different games because the games all touch on different parts of history and different civilizations that would all be telling the same ancient story in different languages.
Infinite or Emerl would be cool, but I think a boss fight against Sonic from Frontiers. He will tell Shadow that he remembers beating Shadow and taking the yellow Chaos Emerald to beat the Time Eater. So Shadow would know that he knows that he should throw the fight with Generations Sonic. It could be a fight between Doom Powers and Cyber Corruption.
Got further into the video, but Mephiles' goal in 06 was to reunite with Iblis to become Solaris and consume all of spacetime. I'm pretty sure he still has a similar goal in Gens, meaning he would *need* to restore himself to *Sonic's* universe because only that universe's Iblis can turn him into Solaris, but he might not be aware that Iblis no longer exists. So I don't think creating his own universe would help him with that.
G I just thought of something what if this was the setup for mephiles to return in future games, honestly it's making me wonder if like black doom mephiles might give shadow new powers himself or a more original storyline, I can totally see a game mephiles trys to get shadow to help him and we go from there anyway love the video dude keep up the awesome work, what if we get a playable mephiles oh my gosh that would be awesome, and yes I would love to see that what if
I like the way you think but I think mephilis was focused solely on escaping and restoring himself to the timeline and wasn’t really planning about what he would exactly do to achieve his goals.
I mean they say Black Doom rebuild his body which means he is imortal so probably gonna see him again in the future, Mephiles being still alive but trapped in time could always eventually return because the time eater is not the only stuff that can mess with time, like one day by accident they do a double chaos control like 06 because they dont remember that happens they do it accidentally and he escapes or the time stones for whatever reason
I feel bad shadow is going to have that one superman story where he outlives everyone only left with omega but when omega eventually powers down who’s gonna be there🥲
I’m I the only one that hates the direction they took Mephiles? The voice actor did a good job selling the anger and desperation, but why the hell is Mephiles angry and desperate? Why does he want to restore the timeline? What purpose would he exist for, if not just to destroy time again? Quotes from the last time we saw him M: “Join me, Shadow. Let us teach this world a lesson and rewrite the future.” S: “Don’t try to deceive me. You have no desire for revenge. You only crave destruction. Your only lust is to fuel Iblis until there’s nothing left of time itself.” M: “it’s a pity Shadow the hedgehog. Truly a shame that you wish to go against me!” So Mephiles didn’t outright confirm or deny what his intentions were, but judging by the fact he did destroy time itself, I think Shadow was spot on. Witch is why I don’t buy the whole “stuck in purgatory desperation” they went with, considering white space is exactly what he wanted. If anything he should be trying to stop Shadow from restoring the timeline. Imo
I would like to say that Ian confirmed that iblis exist in blaze now after 06 due to her sacrificing herself so silver won’t die being rejected to be the vessal of iblis at the end of silver campaign so that would be a neat what if dude
@@Garrulous64also I believe the mephils can “sense” iblis in blaze since he is part of Solaris so I can’t wait for that to happen and also mephilis has to be a mastermind villain because he can no longer be as powerful to fight sonic characters and blaze is a protector in her world so expect her to be as powerful as sonic but not much
Mephiles requires 4 keys instead of 3, time eater DOES NOT want mephiles to comeout
And the other end, Black Doom DOES want him to come out. What's more: he's confident he can take him out no problem. What's even more: Black Doom believes he wouldn't even need to dirty his hands, when Shadow can do the job he has to do anyway to get Doom Wings and complete his transformation.
Black Doom looks down on Mephiles and thus elevates himself.
@@ITAndroMedian Ironically, in terms of danger, Mephiles is *so* much worse than Black Doom. Keep in mind that Ian Flynn has confirmed that Iblis is *still* fused within Blaze, meaning that Iblis *still* exists.
Had Mephiles beaten Shadow and actually gotten into White Space, there's nothing stopping him from booking it to Blaze and killing her, setting Iblis free and becoming Solaris again, which keep in mind, is the most powerful being in all of existence and took *3* super forms at separate points in time to stop.
@@michaelbk0076 Which should tell you a lot about Black Doom (either unknown Chaos powers or hubris), but doesn't. It is kinda insulting.
@@ITAndroMedian him an Infinite are the purest form of two critical threats people keep being ignorant of an it's gonna bite then in the ass combine Infinite with Meph an multiverse is quaking
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 if Infinite and Mephiles join forces MAN I would NOT want to be Shadow that day.
I think a cool villain that could’ve shown up in Shadow Gens is… Shadow himself. Well, specifically Shadow from one of the bad endings of Shadow 05. Not only would it fit the whole “mirrors to Shadow” theme they have for the bosses, but it could also have Shadow confront the worst version of himself and what giving into the Doom Powers and rage could turn him into. Maybe Black Doom and the Evil Shadow could’ve fused for the final battle to see what BD was trying to become, only to show that he was never going to be superior to the Shadow we all know today, no matter what form he took.
what they could do with that is the trope of having Shads hold on to the alternate an sooth them
the film Brave Story does it an its visually dope
Dark Route Shadow would've been an amazing pre-final boss. And it would've been the best time to bring Jason Griffith back one last time for a Shadow cameo like that
This idea reminds me of the Omega Zero fight from Mega Man Zero 3
Adventure 2 Shadow would also have been kinda cool to see.
dude and imagine they brought back jason griffith to voice 05 shadow????
Another thing to note, Mephiles seemed genuinely wounded that he was forgotten by shadow *again.* Shows how much he's desperate to just *be* again. Doubt he even cares about the whole nuclear option anymore, bro's suffered, justifiably, won't deny that, but having nothing but his thoughts is certainly gonna have a toll.
Oh, and I'm far from the first to say, but an extra mention goes to the extra measures/details + the time eater/eggman put in. Locked away somewhere super hidden from view, that his boss gate requires an extra key. That the world leading into the gate is *already colored in.*
Technically the area around ALL the boss doors are already colored in. The difference is Mephiles has an entirely different surrounding aesthetic that actually resembles the cave of his boss arena. Rather than getting a castle, Mephiles is deep in a cave, with it's own music separate from the White Space theme.
I think that was mainly Robbie’s performance because that line itself was a reference to when he first took Shadow’s form in 06.
He is hateful and desperate. A very dangerous mix
"... I thought what we had was special..." energy right there. Like he's realizing that, while Shadow is his greatest foe, he means absolutely nothing to Shadow at all.
Shadow's like his Batman, but he is NOT Shadow's Joker.
Just a bit of context, most of Mephiles’ lines are lifted directly from 06, that “truly disappointed” line is a direct callback to 06 when he offered Shadow the chance to join him but Shadow refused.
Infinite. I wouldn't even care if we got a boss fight or not, I just think Shadow kicking Infinite's ass without thinking about it is just extremely funny.
True but honestly the events of forces shouldn’t even be happening if he did kick his ass in sxs cause that would imply that he is strong enough to beat infinite with the ruby so Eggman and infinite wouldn’t have a chance at taking over 99.99 percent of the world
Emrel should've been a boss in something. It could've been really good as you wouldn't know whats coming
we needed infinite in sxs gens. call me stupid but that mf couldve been badass but got screwed over so hard in sonic forces by shit writing, he just became an edgelord. but now, since the edgelord of shadow during that time can become a well written character, maybe we can see a well written infinite that has a real reason to shit the bed when getting beaten up by shadow (like srsly you couldve given him, like, self worth issues and him losing it after shadow beat him would make sense because he was always worried about him COME ON IT WAS NOT THAT HARD)
Nah man, I hear you, call me crazy, but I think he has potential to be better than Mephiles.
Ok here's my idea if infinite was in SXSG
Like think about what doom does to shadow in act 1 of sunset heights, but put it in act 2 and replace dooms eye with infinite
@@Raincloud5137 Could have him seem to be a tool for Black Doom like in Forces but its quickly shown its a plow and later once Dooms stopped Infinite absorbs remains of this White Space an Doom to evolve gain some insane armor form with he haze of white space an masses from Black Arms cover his hands an body an once his eye opens its glowing all tree colors
While I like the idea, Infinite would obliterate Sonic or Shadow if they fought them at their current power in gens. I’d rather be come back post frontiers and get his comeback in a game that could make much more time for himm
@@Supersigmaomegacounter point: doom powers and plot armour so we can have fun
Mephiles is not the only villain who came close to ending Sonic permanently. In SA2, Eggman completely outmaneuvers Sonic, and the only reason Sonic survived was because he managed to perform chaos control for the first time with an emerald that wasn't even real. I think that gets overlooked sometimes, like, Eggman should have won that and the only reason he failed was due to factors he could not possibly have taken into account.
Mephiles legit kills sonic tho
0:28 I kinda thought Infinite would’ve been in Shadow Gens considering Infinite is one of the main villains because of Shadow. Now that I think about it, Shadow had a big impact on Infinite as a character
Yeah but infinite had zero impact on shadow tbh, it wouldn't really fit having infinite in the game. It would be pretty weird if shadow beat infinite who's a future villain. People are already arguing over who's stronger between sonic and shadow despite the fact Omega has stated in the game that sonic is shadow's equal. If infinite who beat future sonic lost to shadow from the past it would throw the whole sonic and shadow are equals to the fire.
As much as I want infinite to get a redo I'd prefer if he came back in a future game. It would've been better if we got an emeral or sonic boss fight. Both of them would've worked well as rival fights.
I think I’m the only one that actually kind of likes infinite
@@arivivith4375 let’s hope he does reappear
Ian Flynn back in 2012 mentioned that Sonic Team originally intended for the Time Eater to be a portion of Mephiles that survived after Solaris's defeat, but this was never confirmed. It's also an interesting note that in an early script of Sonic Forces, Rouge mentions during the final battle that Infinite had created more Replicas, and Mephiles was one of those Replicas
I need to see that early Forces script because I seriously doubt that Mephiles was ever going to be in Forces or mentioned at all.
Pretty sure he said thats his personal theory, not what was originally intented
@@tomasmoreira1592yeah, he said that's what he thought
@@the_oc_maniac8972Why not? Chaos returned and so can mephiles.
Bro was cooking up a 5 star meal with that Mephiles going to the Sol dimension idea
I don’t think he could’ve manipulated Shadow. Silver was an easy mark because he’s naive and his situation was about as desperate as it could be. Shadow is a much more jaded person, and even when Mephiles tried to manipulate him with the truth of his future in 06, Shadow pretty much shrugged it off with the famous “If the world chooses to be my enemy, I’ll fight like I always have” line.
It would’ve been cool to see Silver interact with him here. Since this version of Silver comes from a better future (assuming Colors DS is canon here) and he already knows the other characters, it would be interesting to see how he would respond to this obviously evil monster that claims to know him.
Yeah, i don't think it would have worked, but it would have been neat to see him try
I mean. If Colors DS isn't canon, the IDW comics make it very clear Silver is from a better future, at the very least.
@guiteshima I don’t know if those are canon anymore either, though.
@@Hurtle885hu8bu I'm pretty sure they are... I mean, there's no reason for them not to be at this point. They're trying to avoid retcons as much as they can. It'd be weird if they decided to retcon the comic characters being mentioned in Frontiers.
The villains we got for Shadow Generations all fit as bosses, but I know most people would say Infinite should've been in the game. I do agree to an extent, but I genuinely think that King Arthur or even Merlina could've been good options as additional bosses. In all honesty, Merlina would fit more thematically than King Arthur, but King Arthur fits the aesthetic more. In terms of themes, the three bosses Shadow fights before he fights Black Doom all fit the theme of desperation. The Biolizard is fighting out of desperation for survival, Metal Overlord is fighting out of desperation for superiority, and Mephiles is fighting out of desperation for existence. Merlina would be fighting out of desperation for eternal life.
Infinite fought out of desperation to prove his power. Also, he has more direct ties to shadow like the rest do
@@thesteelsquid863 True, but I just wanted to add my own interesting idea into the mix cuz Infinite is the default answer for a boss that people wanted. You are correct about Infinite, but I just thought that Merlina and/or King Arthur would be more interesting.
@@Chaos_Vergil fair enough
But all of those bosses have been previously fought by Shadow in some way. (I mean, he didn't fight Metal Overlord, but he did fight Metal Madness).
I don't remember if you can fight the King Arthur/Merlina as him. Not to mention... Technically speaking Lancelot isn't actually Shadow.
Besides, all of the bosses have SOME connection to Shadow (Biolizard is his prototype, Metal Overlord has his DNA, Chaos Control and also has some parallels with SA2 Shadow with the way he speaks about being the Ultimate Lifeform and calling Sonic a fake, as well as Shadow... And Mephiles is pretty self-explanatory) Merlina/King Arthur are more related to Sonic than anything. - .-)"
(I wouldn't complain if we got to see them though, it'd be so cool to see what they could pull off for that fight)
Even now the game is out, you all still don't get, it takes place before forces
Mephilis the Dark is probably not done. The new series writer loves him, and has said he'll bring him back if and when appropriate. I hope this isn't the end.
I'm still holding out hope, they could say that the scepter of darkness is how the eggmans escaped white space, which unknowingly freed Mephiles. The reason why he wouldn't have appeared in Lost World, Forces, or Frontiers is because like you said, he's taking a step back and saying "what adjustments do I need to make" especially after getting stomped by Shadow.
Mephilles' desire to merely exist is also exploitable by black doom. Black doom can offer a way to exist as a vessel for doom, and then in a final two stages fight, stage 1 black doom is in control, but in stage 2 Mephilles gain's control because black doom is weak but sees the disadvantageous situation he's in and is panicking the same way as in this fight by way more erratic and obvious. He lost his will to gain this existence and the second he gets it he has to desperately fight to survive against Shadow when shadow is not holding back.
Mephilles' kind of turns into what Metal Sonic is to Sonic in Heroes.
Sonic is himself, and is the star of the show. Metal wants to prove he is the real Sonic to validate his creation rather than be his own entity.
Shadow is comfortable doing things his way and not being the star of the show and being in 'the shadows' (I'm not apologizing for this pun). Mephilles' is desperate to get out of the shadows and actually exist.
While I did want Infinite in shadow gens, the only character I really can't understand not appearing was Emerl. Infinite whether we like it or not, would have kicked shadow's @ss, since in this point in the timeline he isn't strong enough to face him. Emerl on the other hand would be a perfect rival battle, heck, could have been a perfect 2D level playable character, literally just give shadow emerl's skin, change the animations a little, and use his mimic abilities as an excuse for why he has the same moveset.
If this Shadow can defeat Devil Doom and Mephlies then infinite is no match for him , infinite isn't that strong anyway , he's literally nothing without that ruby
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It's not me saying, it's the games. The sonic from the beggining of forces is much stronger than the one from generations, and he got beaten up badly by Infinite, no way the shadow from gens will have even a slight chance against him, infinite is said as the strongest foe Sonic ever faced(before frontiers), shadow's doom powers are not giving him that much advantage, as I said, whether we like it or not, he IS cannonically stronger than Mephiles and Black Doom, and being a badly written villain or constantly depending on a super powerful gem doesn't automatically change that fact.
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Also, Infinite is stronger than both Black Doom and Mephiles, we just don't get that impression because he lacks a lot of the presentation the other two have, firstly because of the budget of forces being ridiculous and small, second because sega didn't want to use super sonic anymore at the time.
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Maybe infinite have a chance if he summoned his clones but i don't think he can defeat shadow with chaos control in a 1v1
@@haiderraad468 Never got that argument. Thats like saying super sonic is nothing without the chaos emeralds, like, sure, but he's still one of fhe most powerful characters because he still has one of if not THE most powerful gems. He almost killed the entire planet with a sun, mephilis made some clones and drive-by'd sonic
unrelated to memphis, i rly like that grandpa eggman looks a lot like eggmans 06 design in proportions
His name is Gerald…
His name is Mephiles...
Since Mephiles was placed in a special cave and needed 4 keys, I think even Black Doom is afraid of Mephiles
You don’t realize Mephiles how important he was to shadow’s character
And then he got erased. Bye bye character development from 06
@@VideoGameMontaginationfor the lore still an important development
@@VideoGameMontaginationfor now...
Mephiles the Dark is my favorite Sonic antagonist so it was awesome to see him return as a boss fight in Sonic Generations. Admittedly I wasn’t a big fan of his new voice compared to Dan Green’s performance in Sonic 06, but Robbie Daymond’s performance isn’t terrible by no means either. And it’s starting to grow on me. And while I do wish Mephiles played a larger role in Shadow Generations, I understand why he was kept to a boss fight. Shadow Generations isn’t a long game and it’s clear Sonic Team wanted to have Black Doom as the central antagonist for Shadow in it. Which admittedly, he was handled well.
Although, with how Mephiles was resealed into the Scepter or Darkness, I believe that it allows Sonic Team the option to have an excuse to revisit Mephiles in the future. As Mephiles cannot be killed, he can only be sealed away. Maybe there could be a future game where Mephiles is able to restore himself to the main timeline through using the Time Eater’s shattered core. And with that, he could come back as a more powerful looming threat that could strike at anytime. There’s ultimately a lot Sonic Team could still do with Mephiles. I mean, if Black Doom can seemingly return out of thin air, so could Mephiles.
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Dr.Eggman: was almost blowing Sonic to mince meat in the vacuum of space, not scintillating enough for you? Hmmmm?! 🤨
Naaahhhhh he's a WIMP
Im sorry but my brain picked out "eggman, blowing, sonic, meat" immediately out of this sentence first 💀💀
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I think there should've been a version of Mephiles who won and took Doom's powers for himself
I would’ve said infinite but that wouldn’t make sense because I think Emerl would be so much better. He was hyped in the first episode of dark beginnings so it would make total sense. Another thing is all the bosses are Shadow in some way and Emerl fits that perfectly.
Black Doom and Mephiles are easily my favorite villains and it’s sad they got brought back only for such a short game. I doubt they are gonna remaster Shadow 05 much less any of the other adventure era games. I’m glad it happened tho
mephiles isn't an dumb, his goal was to combine with iblis and he did exactly that, he manipulated silver to try and kill sonic, beat shadow, rouge and omega by himself and he is the only villain in the series to successfully kill sonic (u can definitely tell I made this comment before watching the rest of the video)
Infinite being in this game just doesn't make sense to me, and I'm glad it didn't happen. I can get past Shadow being in Sunset Heights, and Chaos Island, especially since he doesn't recognize those places or any events that took place there. But him meeting Infinite would be even more strange than meeting Mephiles, because they hadn't met yet, and it would imply Shadow just forgot him in Forces
I wish Mephiles somehow found a way to escape White Space considering Eggman somehow did.
I think he did. My theory is that a small fragment of Mephiles latched itself onto Shadow during their fight. And much like the black mass Mephiles originally was copying Shadow’s power and appearance, this parasite Mephiles would form an almost symbiotic relationship with Shadow. The parasite grows stronger using Shadow as a cocoon and eventually breaking free of Shadow’s body once strong enough.
its not just the voice that i liked but its also he's lines oh god , really ian flinn is a genius on writing
the quality of the writing with this boss fight is just insane. i genuinely never thought i'd be sympathising with mephiles but here we are lol
Fun fact but Mephiles is the only boss in Shadow Gens who’ve heath bar doesn’t get fully depleted before getting prompted with the finisher QTE.
So who knows, maybe they’ll update the game like they did with Frontiers and add an extra post credit scene where we see the sceptre of darkness slip through the cracks of white space and back into the timeline.
I actually theorized that he’ll do that, or maybe he split himself into fragments and one of those fragments went into Shadow’s body and used him as a cocoon.
What if he gets dropped off by shadow into the movie dlc level on accident?
Unless we get this as a dlc story, the real missed potential would be silver. We still don't know where he was or why he fought Sonic in Generations.
Honestly i keep wondering, with the part of the void that startef collapsing, what would stop mepholes from taking advantage of it? Heck it could be use as a reason been inadvertently freed from his scepter prison, although it does seem at least on the cutscenes when he gains enough strength hed be able to free himself anyway, either way, the eggmen somehow find their way out of whitespace, whats to stop mephiles from doing the same if he was out of the scepter?
Also as an aside i wouldve loved it if they had a secret emerl boss fight, like turning all the moves he learned into boss like attacks would be sick
In the future, I wanna see Sonic fight Mephiles.
If you don't like reading, I will leave a link to mephiles story video on youtube at the end of the comment showing why he is a plot hole. My thoughts on mephiles he certainly was desperate and underused. Mephiles in shadow generations was a plot hole, the reason why he is a plot is in 06 we see that after mephiles absorbed shadow's shade he became to powerful to be contained in the scepter of darkness. Shadow generations retconned that lore because they didn't want mephiles to overshadow black doom in generations. Also i would have expected him to use a clone again to escape out of the boss gate because that would have been in his character to do so.
on the mephiles story video go to 16:50 showing why he is a plot hole and it does show shadow being cool. th-cam.com/video/X8SgC2HToqY/w-d-xo.html
you're forgetting that this mephiles is weaker due to solaris not existing. He's literally the weaker half of a god
@@CatJuicer the scepter only contained Mephiles while he was still unformed, just black goo or whatever. The moment he took Shadow’s form, the scepter no longer worked on him. It makes no sense that he was in the scepter as his crystallized form, or was able to be punched back into it one last time.
I found the quote “The ‘I’ of now absorbed your power through your shadow in the past. What may have worked 10 years ago, no longer does!”
You could say Mephiles just got weaker somehow, but it’s not because Iblis isn’t there. He was separated through the whole game and Mephiles only got stronger with time.
@@asnwolf4507 well the sceptre could’ve been made stronger by the time eaters influence to contain mephiles till someone got near it aka shadow.
Hell who’s to say eggman didn’t find out about mephiles with the time eater and just made sure the sceptre could hold him till someone took care of him
@@CatJuicer my personal headcanon is that there is no scepter, Mephiles was just using the image of one to set a trap. Shadow instantly calling it "a seal" is bs though, that just felt like an exposition line, took me out of the moment.
Infinite. Like, they had SUNSET HEIGHTS from Sonic Forces.
Which doesn't make sense and I read on Reddit that they have a Frontiers stage in the game and no Shadow stages
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I really hope that mephiles being in this game means we'll see him again
I do like the idea of shadow having a reoccurring enemy in Mephiles in the same way sonic has Eggman (as an aside I do believe Infinite would be a great main enemy for Silver, tho my reasoning requires more explaining), but I think the execution of Mephiles being brought to the main timeline could only properly come from him having some interaction or interference with the time eater upon his defeat.
Sonic's fights with the time eater doesn't even end with its own cutscene, just the in game moment of them blasting through it followed by an explosion. If Mephiles found some way to escape the scepter after his fight against shadow, and if the time eater's destruction causing everyone to be sent to the fixed timeline could be intercepted or manipulated by Mephiles then I could see him becoming shadows main enemy who exists paradoxically kinda like reverse flash.
I would listen to a what if story
Personally I think there should've been a boss fight against a shadow android mainly because it plays a very important part in shadow's story in sonic heroes/shadow 05
If 06 is to the Sonic franchise was the prequels are to Star Wars, then Mephiles is prequels Palpatine. No, his plan doesnt make much sense, but man is he just so awesome and fun to watch anyway
I'll watch a Mephiles survives video
Not gonna lie... Mephiles just had a rough upbringing, being split from Iblis by the kingdom trusted with his flame... then betrayed and locked in the scepter of darkness for many years, before Mephiles even had the chance to do anything at all... even being "forgotten" by the one who sealed him... the festival that once was (most likely) dedicated to him, still being celebrated by the people who robbed him of his freedom... a god reduced to a nobody, a prisoner forgotten by the world as it moved on from him... not to say Mephiles wasn't just evil, I'm definitely not trying to say he was right... but, man, if all that isn't enough to justify being upset against life, then I don't know what is.
I have to give props to the build up, so first of all his chamber is sealed off and unable to go into until shadow gets his squid form, and then when you enter the chamber, there are no enemys, the layout is impossible to get through by any normal means and the fact he needs 4 keys to fight, and he is still sealed in that scepter, it really feels like the time eater,black doom or SOMETHING is trying to keep mephlies in there forever
I would definitely love to see your idea on Mephiles’ possible return!
I actually saw a video on what if Mephiles returned via a final portal releasing him in the sceptre.
Through your way of him persuading Shadow telling him he can help against Black Doom. Shadow agrees and helps Mephiles out.
As they prepare to fight Black Doom Mephiles explains his backstory. Though leaving out some aspects. Saying how he was a god once but was erased after his source was extinguished. He will then say he’s been trapped in a limbo.
Then upon defeating Black Doom Mephiles reveals the truth. Telling Shadow that he defeated him with Sonic and Silver. He then says he plan to take revenge on all those who bested him. Then reveals that the Time eater is a fragment of him that he intends to use to restore himself fully.
This then leads to a second boss fight with Mephiles which is harder. Of course Shading defeats him and tells him that the void will be his eternal prison.
The story continues as it goes with the final cut scene. Leaving Mephiles trapped in the void. However in a post credit scene Mephiles finds a portal and escapes, though he escapes post Frontiers.
It could also be interesting if Mephiles says how he’s a God of time and he can alter events. Telling Shadow he can give him a world with a cured Maria still alive. Though Shadow rejects the offer.
Anyway after Mephiles escapes he begins to plan his vengeance. Thinking of taking revenge on all those who were responsible for his downfall. Whilst also trying to figure out how to restore Iblis.
12:30 yes please we beg you. may i also suggest: mephiles plans to assassinate blaze or take her and/or the sol emeralds' power as either a substitute or means of resurrecting iblis. and hey, maybe infinite/zero gets thrown around along with the phantom ruby (unless there is an in-universe explanation as to where those two went i am just completely not in the know of) which substitutes his Purple Emerald of Time Travelling thing or is revealed to **be** said P.E.o.T.T. it could also add some sort of origin/character building for silver to make him more than just an optimist but also a realist
Won't lie it would've been a sick idea if one of the bosses was Shadow ripped from the True Evil ending of Shadow 2005.
Here's an idea, what if Mephiles pulled a Lich (Adventure Time) and tethered himself to someone to sneakily escape the void with everyone else?
Like we have the perfect escape goat with Big & Froggy and it wouldn't be the 1st time Froggy gotten taken over by something.
There are also the Chao's and Rouge-
Maybe she could've found the scepter after Shadow left and thought of it as some treasure worth keeping?
Or, maybe he could've simply escaped with Eggman with him taking the scepter with him on his way out. And since the 06 timeline is erased, there shouldn't be any paradoxes. 11:55
Can you imagine from Mephiles' POV from this is that while Shadow is his greatest enemy... He means absolutely nothing to Shadow in the slightest.
It's like wanting to be in the A Tier of a rogues' gallery, but you're designated c-string. You want to be Joker, but you're nothing more than Condiment King.
Alternatively, Mephiles' relationship with Shadow could be the equivalent of parasocial. Shadow literally doesn't care he basically trapped a guy in a paradoxical time loop out of negligence, and Mephiles is PISSED.
12:30 You left us hanging with Sonic Generations, I'm glad you're at least pursuing the Mephiles story idea.
A game were Mephilis is both one of the main villains and is vulnerable in such a way that he needs another villain would be interesting as a way to show another side of him.
Having Mephiles come back to take the Sol Dimension would be one hell of a good plot for SA3. Perfect opportunity to bring Silver and Blaze back also
Infinite would've been perfect in the game. The way the boss fight could've been better than the whimsical excuse that is homing attacking into his head and giving him brain damage, but that could still stay, the whole idea could be Infinite makes one of his weird clones, but the twist would be for most of the bossfight you wouldn't go up against Infinite, but a clone of Shadow with all of Shadow's current abilities in game, and attacking the clone sends you skydiving down into the bossfights from Sonic Forces and after attacking Infinite you get sent back to the Shadow clone over again with a different ability being used, and make it a combination of all the boss fight stages for that Shadow has to go through (except the final fight). So Infinite could have his boss fights and Shadow can be hitting himself too, but it wouldn't effect the clone, just send Shadow to Infinite. And they could improve the silly "I am not weak" line.
so a challenge run that leads back to another Dark Link isk encounter
Pretty much, sorry for the delayed reply.
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To manipulate Silver and Blaze again? Nah they're not going for good writing when it comes to villain characters anymore and Mephiles is already in Shadow's section of the game being trapped in a paralleled version of dusty desert and being sealed inside the scepter of darkness again even though when Shadow tried to seal him again he couldn't and Mephiles explained why it didn't work
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You say this as if Black Doom wasn't a major part of Shadow's story.
Also, even though this a joke, they could always do a retroactive decision like with the yellow emerald
@@End_Productions yeah Black Doom was well written sorta but sending Shadow constantly to radical highway Shadow was obviously gonna learn Black Doom's patterns and obviously used them against Black Doom, he also has Doom powers which was able to destroy the other villains of Shadows rogue's gallery, it was like Doom wanted Shadow to win against him making his plans useless
@Iblis_and_Mephiles_fan Well, I mean, would you rather have lesser game play value?
Shadow picking up on Doom's tendencies doesn't make Doom a bad villain. Shadow just knew who he was up against. Also, the Doom powers were to prove a point.
Don't say that they're not trying to be interested with their villains when they clearly are taking stories seriously
@ new abilities are cool but wouldn't Shadow need chaos mode? Cuz that seems more than enough
Shadow generations is not great or bad,it's meh form me. Let me remind people why sonic gen. Is better than shadow gen.
Sonic has 9 level which shadow has 6 levels,three levels apart.
Sonic has 6 bosses(not including final boss) while shadow has 3 bosses(same treatment) where others six? Like i want to see sonoc,emerl and infinite,but nope there not here.
Level shadow there no level shadow's his levels,instead sega put sonic frontiers which only two years.
And another thing that level desing is feels you play sonic forces with mods.
See, the problems with these wishlist/wasted potential videos is that most of the ideas put into the table would require more resources than Sonic Team probably had when making this game. The ideas are cool, but way more worthy of a AAA title than anything. To tell a story this big, the game needs to be a more well produced game which, in the case of a remaster + expansion, would likely never happen. All in all, don't blame Ian Flynn or Sonic Team for not coming up with these crazy ideas, they probably had to work within some restrictions. And also, manage your expectations lol, some of these are just way too much.
Have you seen the story of Sonic Rush? The story of Sonic Battle? These spinoffs go apeshit with the lore sometimes, lesser scale games can still afford being wild.
@TheKorenji Lesser scale games that are (debatably) less resource-demanding to make. Plus, Sonic Rush was a full on title for the DS, heck, it was even outsorced!
@@ar7hur06 Yeah, Sonic thrives on lesser scale games for the most part, just look at the Advance series for example... either way, what I'm sayin' is a small game can have a big plot without any dissonance, if they could do Emerl in a GBA game, they can pull off the Mephiles & Blaze plotline in a Spin-Off.
@TheKorenji Emerl was only dealing with project shadow's plotline. Mephiles + Blaze would be mixing two diferent plotlines and worlds that most likely would create some mcu multiverse shenanigans. Not really the best bet right now, they should invest on the ancient plotlines they started in Frontiers.
I know that Shadow never appeared in Sonic Rush Adventure, but Johnny should have been in it. They literally give shadow a surfboard, then make him fight Metal Overlord. Johnny is perhaps the most forgotten sonic character, and he definitely deserves to show up again.
but johnny and shadow never met? all thebosses in shadow gens has encountered shadow in some way.
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Gerald said we're seeing glimpses of other timelines; so Diablon would be on the table as a boss fight. Although if you're looking for a villainous character and not just a boss fight... maybe Sage? We didn't get a fight against her as Sonic, and I feel like Chaos Spear being able to attack a cyber-construct like her would be coherent. Have her confuse him for Sonic, then him correct, and her response be something like "Professor Gerald's creation - with no respect for being Robotnik family property - doubling fire-power".
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I wasn't really a Mephiles fan - I've always found it a bit weak that he failed to do a Faustian Bargain when he's named after Mephistopheles, the demon who made the original Faustian Bargain. That said I loved his big hammy energy that comes from Dan Green's pharaoh voice.
So honestly, it is kind of hilarious to me that they completely changed his voice, and yet his new situation is so much more compelling to me. I want a story about Mephiles trying to reintegrate himself back into the timeline.
Just imagine an uneasy alliance between Shadow and Black Doom, where Shadow has to borrow Doom Powers again to stop Mephiles from reintegrating himself into the world. Maybe even have a depowered Mephiles get to exist in the ending of that story, and try to mirror the idea of Shadow reintegrating his dark-powers without letting them have power over him against Mephiles trying to be reintegrated into reality without remaining a threat.
I feel like, since based on comments they seem to want Black Doom to be Shadow's Eggman, a story like that could allow plenty of future struggles with Black Doom to feel like a natural part of Shadow's story... because honestly that is Shadow's biggest problem. He's such a story driven character that you need to do a lot more ground-work to give him a recurring villain, and Black Doom isn't fully there yet even if he is the closest and best fitting any character has ever been.
Ngl, Diablon or ANY boss fight from Shadow the Hedgehog would have been neat.
@@Garrulous64 Yeah. Honestly Shadow Generations had so much awesome boss design that I would have loved to have had more.
I have seen an analysis that "every boss is a variant of Shadow" and thematically I feel like Black Bull would have fit very neatly with that. They are essentially Black Doom's pet, and I would have loved to have seen them get as big a glow-up as the biolizard.
Conceptually I've always liked the idea that they were some kind brood-mother for the Black Arms bats. Especially now given the light-brush of Body-Horror that Doom-Powers, the Biolizard, and even the Devil Doom transformations enjoyed...
Can you imagine how cool it would look to see a flock of Black Arms bats crawling out of Black Bull's mouth?
(Apparently the creature some folks have mistaken for a Black Bull redesign is called Black Macho. I can't really blame folks for the confusion cause Radical Highway Act 2 has such a clear mix of Lethal Highway and Westopolis that it would naturally make folks think of Black Bull.)
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In Sonic 4, Silver should only be in his future until Mephiles arrives and manipulates him, changing Elise for Blaze (without powers), who becomes the guardian of the Time Stones (which allow them to return from the future); the Sol Emeralds and other elemental stones, and the princess of Soleana (which would be a mix of Blaze's world with the Soleana from 06), the world to which Sonic belongs. Sonic and the gang (no humans) fight with Silver in Green Hills until Mephiles intervenes (they fight in a place similar to the dimensions of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness), ending up in Sonic’s world. At some point in the movie, Mephiles kidnaps Shadow, and these two would have their own subplot intermingling with the main one, just like in 06. Mephiles fights Knuckles; Shadow takes him away and is replaced by Silver (when Shadow is in the future, in some scenes from the original game where Omega and Rouge appear, he is replaced by Shadow while alone in Crisis City, for example, when Mephiles tells him that humanity blamed him for the end of the world; instead of being captured by Omega, it was G.U.N.), or by Sonic and Tails. Knuckles also fights Silver, with Blaze in between because she sympathizes with both sides, convincing Silver that they are not the cause of the chaos in his world. Until all those who were in the future appear, Mephiles tries to kill Knuckles, and Blaze gets in the way. Knuckles charges at him in fury, but Mephiles strips away the flames of disaster and becomes Solaris. They have to gather the Chaos Emeralds just like in Sonic 06, and Super Sonic, Silver, and Shadow confront Solaris and separate him. To revive Blaze, they trap Iblis in his body and use the Sol Emeralds, destroying Mephiles' staff, thus saving the future. Silver returns to his time with a Chaos Control like a Genki Dama, and Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles stay in his world of origin to protect the Wachowskis or however it’s spelled and Green Hills (because Lady Yoga and Lord Donut already have a child) since the fight with Silver in Green Hills nearly killed them.
Memphis should have been the main villain of the game. Him coming back would make more sense for some of the more trippy stuff goes on in game and is objectively the biggest threat to in the game
Bro fking mentioned blaze all about that and sht but... The only time he mentioned silver is when he got manipulated. Bro. His right there. Give my man some damn respect.
GARRULOUS! GIVE US THE 'WHAT IF MEPHILES SURVIVED?' VIDEO AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
Mephiles forgetting about silver has bitten him in the behind 2 times now, because I don't know how he can constantly forget about the 1 person who is almost exactly like him when it comes to powers because silver just like Mephiles can unironically travel through time and space without the need of chaos Emeralds, so I have no idea why he doesn't just either a) convince silver to let him out or b) force silver to let him out.
What if when the movies get to the 06 era, since iblis was already defeated by knuckles, we just get Mephiles story? Like this Mephiles slipped out of reality and jumped into the movie universe? I think that would be so sick
Considering he’s the conscious of Solaris kind of wish one of his quotes was
“No I won’t accept this I am a GOD!” With shadow last words to him saying “there no need for a god like you”
"let's fast forward 18 years since mephilis' reveal-"
...oh God it's been 18 years since 2006. Why would you do this to me. *rapidly ages into dust*
4:55 "strange creatures that not even we have seen before"
WRONG! Time to face my nerdy wrath!
Those are shadows, a small weak creature that not only appeared in Sonic 06 but also are present in Sonic Forces (the good one, not the bad one).
In forces, Mephiles's attacks "Stalking Shade" and "Swarming Darkness" directly use them to attack the enemy players and any enemy hit by them or by his dash "Dark Embrace" get cursed. That curse is represented by having one or more of these shadows fly around the cursed player. When a cursed plyer tries to use an item the shadow will take it and disappear.
So.. yeah, they're a thing.
Yo really?? Huh, i had no clue.
Mephiles sounded like he was voiced by Team Four Star Vegeta
He acts like Memphis hadn't went to the SOL dimension before. My Sonic OC (Snac The Hedgehog) has fought him in that dimension and he took care of him like he did with infinite.
Infinite as a boss wouldn't make sense as its said shadow doesn't know alot of the places he is visiting or remember alot of the bosses he is fighting so it really wouldn't make sense for him to mess with the future, also his main goal is to defeat black doom and not care about the others.
Shads did slaughter the dudes team so that gives him plenty reason to pull move like the goopy stuffs man an throwdown even if Shads forgets them haha
"Mephiles can't recombine with Iblis, as Iblis is nowhere to be seen." I'm pretty sure that the lava monsters found in Crisis City are extensions of Ibils' power, and Silver's first boss fight against Iblis takes place at the end of his version of Crisis City. As such, I think its safe to say that Iblis does exist in this realm, and is probably going through something similar to Mephiles. At least, to the extent that it is aware of anything, given it is rather animalistic. Its just that Iblis is stuck somewhere in Sonic's portion of white space.
You know what villain should've been in Shadow Generations,Shadow specifically, Movie Shadow.I know we're getting Sonic Movie 3 DLC in Shadow Generations, but the Shadow in the DLC is Game Shadow, so imagine if Game Shadow ends up meeting with Movie Shadow and then they fight to prove who is the real Shadow.
A lot of people have said it already, but Emerl would've been a cool antagonist to see, as well as a cool boss fight. Like imagine him copying your doom powers and using them against you
Your ideas are really cool, I love your creativity man. For my boss, imma give 2 of them and 3 stages. Emerl, Infinite, Asteroid Coaster, Dragon Road, and Black Comet. I really wished all these were in the game.
The thing is though, there is no way we could have gotten any of this in the game. You gotta remember, this is half remaster, and is smushed between many other projects. Sonic Team already put so much time and money on polishing the game. I'm sure they wanted to put way more in this game, but they quite literally could not afford to. I'd call it "too much potential" rather than wasted.
When you said mephiles going to the sol demention, where he would fight blaze and then sonic and shadow show up to fight, all i could think was. this is just the goku black arc in dragon ball super. altho it would be cool to have blaze as a main character for a game
I would absolutely love to see that Blaze idea.
Mephiles going to the sol dimension would be so sick
maybe chaos island was discovered by eggman before gens, it wasnt made clear in frontiers when he discovered the starfall island, but it still doesnt make any sense bc shadow never went there.
I LOVE your story analysis videos and the videos when you create fan theories/what if’s about scenarios you’re passionate about. Would love to see ideas you’re cooking regarding Mephiles, he’s such a fun villain. Great video!
i rly like how mephiles was handled too it was super well written. imo i think the thing i'm most disappointed in shadow gens for was just the length. i was hoping there'd be one or two more stages- my pick wouldve been asteroid coaster, with shadow empathizing with the frenzy and black hole wisps. i think itd be the best choice too since he appears there in colors DS, and the doom powers are kinda similar to the wisp powers. i also think a sonic riders stage wouldve fit in amazingly seeing as shadows still on rollerblades for his entire life. i never played sonic riders so i cant say which would fit best, but i think we couldve used a funny stage, for pacing. i was also hoping there'd be rival fights and boss fights, i thought an infinite fight was a-shooin and a REAL PLAYABLE sonic fight would have like. yknow. actually happened? even if its a lose in the custscene type thing i wouldnt have cared. then again the shadow fight is maybe the best fight in sonic generations, idk how they wouldve made it better, but even just having almost the same fight with slightly different moves wouldve been cool! i dont care that it wouldve had to been shoehorned into the story, its wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff they couldve figured it out
I think having some sort of G.U.N related boss fight would have been interesting, maybe a reworked Diablon. The fight would not only be some sorely needed Shadow 05 representation but I can see the narrative potential of Shadow being confused why this alternate timeline version of the commander hates him so much, and it could also work to tie in with the moments where Black Doom's influence in Shadow makes him more prone to violence and anger.
i rememeber the days when virtually every fan hated Infinite when he appeared, but now suddenly everyone wants him back even though nothing happened to him since Forces
He could be written better if he returns. Nothing will change his backstory/prior appearance being bad though.
well people always had some love for him regardless all the covers, remixes and mashups with other dramatic audio media ever the years shows people do dig his vibe
the video mixing it with Erwin war speech from flipping Attack on Titan and the one mixing it with a Ultrakill bosses lines are insane lol
Mephilus as the maker from marvel comics but for sonic the hedgehog franchise would be really awesome and badass I love it.
The monsters that come with dark gaia in unleashed, are ghosts that mephiles in 06 take and spawn as demon versions- which are all in themselves the dead spirits of the aliens that black doom spawns in shadow.
The aliens die, they become the ghosts as they appear in unleashed, but some of these ghosts are taken and turned into demons by mephiles.
Because iblis, dark gaia, devil doom, the time eater, and the end are somehow all one in the same ancient deity that, also, possessed chaos in adventure and metal sonic in heroes.
Wee, the audience (including sonic and friends) are only given all these different titles for this one deity throught the different games because the games all touch on different parts of history and different civilizations that would all be telling the same ancient story in different languages.
Infinite or Emerl would be cool, but I think a boss fight against Sonic from Frontiers. He will tell Shadow that he remembers beating Shadow and taking the yellow Chaos Emerald to beat the Time Eater. So Shadow would know that he knows that he should throw the fight with Generations Sonic. It could be a fight between Doom Powers and Cyber Corruption.
Got further into the video, but Mephiles' goal in 06 was to reunite with Iblis to become Solaris and consume all of spacetime. I'm pretty sure he still has a similar goal in Gens, meaning he would *need* to restore himself to *Sonic's* universe because only that universe's Iblis can turn him into Solaris, but he might not be aware that Iblis no longer exists. So I don't think creating his own universe would help him with that.
Infinite should've been in the game over the Biolizard but the world isn't ready for that discussion
G I just thought of something what if this was the setup for mephiles to return in future games, honestly it's making me wonder if like black doom mephiles might give shadow new powers himself or a more original storyline, I can totally see a game mephiles trys to get shadow to help him and we go from there anyway love the video dude keep up the awesome work, what if we get a playable mephiles oh my gosh that would be awesome, and yes I would love to see that what if
I like the idea of Mephiles the Dark heading into the Sol Dimension, but I think Silver should go with Sonic instead of Shadow.
I like the way you think but I think mephilis was focused solely on escaping and restoring himself to the timeline and wasn’t really planning about what he would exactly do to achieve his goals.
I mean they say Black Doom rebuild his body which means he is imortal so probably gonna see him again in the future, Mephiles being still alive but trapped in time could always eventually return because the time eater is not the only stuff that can mess with time, like one day by accident they do a double chaos control like 06 because they dont remember that happens they do it accidentally and he escapes or the time stones for whatever reason
I feel bad shadow is going to have that one superman story where he outlives everyone only left with omega but when omega eventually powers down who’s gonna be there🥲
YES I wanna see you write that story. Gotta be honest I don't really click on your mod videos but I'm always here for this kind of thing. ❤
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A Blaze version of Mephiles' crystal body would be awesome.
I’m I the only one that hates the direction they took Mephiles? The voice actor did a good job selling the anger and desperation, but why the hell is Mephiles angry and desperate? Why does he want to restore the timeline? What purpose would he exist for, if not just to destroy time again? Quotes from the last time we saw him
M: “Join me, Shadow. Let us teach this world a lesson and rewrite the future.”
S: “Don’t try to deceive me. You have no desire for revenge. You only crave destruction. Your only lust is to fuel Iblis until there’s nothing left of time itself.”
M: “it’s a pity Shadow the hedgehog. Truly a shame that you wish to go against me!”
So Mephiles didn’t outright confirm or deny what his intentions were, but judging by the fact he did destroy time itself, I think Shadow was spot on. Witch is why I don’t buy the whole “stuck in purgatory desperation” they went with, considering white space is exactly what he wanted. If anything he should be trying to stop Shadow from restoring the timeline. Imo
I'm back! Now you gotta do that Mephiles/ Makerverse story video, you seemed really excited and so was I.
we gotta see the what if mephiles survived
I would like to say that Ian confirmed that iblis exist in blaze now after 06 due to her sacrificing herself so silver won’t die being rejected to be the vessal of iblis at the end of silver campaign so that would be a neat what if dude
🤔 this makes the what-if Mephiles/Sol Dimension thing much more interested
@@Garrulous64 oh and also blaze does infact is implied to sorta remember 06 timeline
@@Garrulous64also I believe the mephils can “sense” iblis in blaze since he is part of Solaris so I can’t wait for that to happen and also mephilis has to be a mastermind villain because he can no longer be as powerful to fight sonic characters and blaze is a protector in her world so expect her to be as powerful as sonic but not much