The point about VR isn't that you can just look around, it's that the image is 3D as in real life - each eye sees a different perspective. This is why, once they've experienced "being in the car" (VR), so many people actually refuse to drive with monitors again.
Nah, not me. I tried VR at a friends house and I was expecting much more of a wow experience. I mostly thought about all the limitations, especially the movements etc.
The only drawback of VR is the software and the cables, sometimes, SteamVR reports problems, sometimes its the Occulus App not working as it should, these two system do not really play well together, sometimes the cable is slightly detached, the bandwidth drops, making the game hang - I usually spend about half an hour before I get the game running, it's really a pain, but in racing, it gives much more immersion, way better judgements of the breaking points and apex, resulting in much better best times.
True, but also some can't use VR for driving and are starving for something similar. I have never played Elite Dangerous again after playing it one time in VR. I will need to set up voice commands and get over motion sickness, and I am really lazy, so...........
I just got head tracking with triple 27 inch monitors and I love it. Gives me the chance to move the camera around, spot apexes, look when opponents are alongside, use the rear camera in rf2 etc. Some people seem to hate it, but it's only been a positive for me. I got the £60 Delanclip kit and can very much recommend it - and head tracking in general.
I have been a TrackIR user for many years. Once I got my Oculus Rift almost three years ago, I gave it as a gift to a friend of mine and I have never regretted.
Love my TrackIR5 for American Truck Simulator and ETS2. Made a world of difference. It's funny really, I bought it for Racing sims I rarely play, but it gets a work out in Trucking.
Yes, it works really well with ATS and ETS2. I use the plastic baseball cap clip which means i simply twist my cap to the side to lock the shoulder view for reversing my truck.
Thanks, a very useful video. I am currently seriously considering buying a trackIR 5 since my system probably couldn't handle VR ( with current gen sims ) and neither could my stomach. The main reason being that I like to use the correct field of view in racing sims but that means that I can only see the windscreen and nothing either side of me. I have wheel buttons mapped to look left and right but it isn't really ideal. It would be much nicer if I could just look left or right as required to see where the other drivers are. Based on your review I think trackIR could be the solution I have been looking for. You've had yours for a long time and generally they seem to be very reliable so it is not a massive investment to potentially change my sim racing experience massively. Thank you. This video was exactly the sort of consumer advice ( with sim racing emphasis ) I was looking for.
love your vids Yorkie - its funny how some people do prefer track-IR, VR, or triples... or some combination. I'm glad to hear there's a market for all these systems. I myself am strictly VR only. I tried track-IR and my really did a number on my neck - controlling the camera with my neck stiffened it up so so much, it required very specific control, always conscious of what my neck and head were doing, it tensed up the muscles a lot and my neck was unable to deal with it. VR feels way more natural to me - I forget I'm wearing it and I just look wherever I need to.
That's interesting as I've not heard of any other users having that kind of experience, and I would have thought as well that you'd get the same thing with VR. I guess it's your whole subconscious trying to fight it a bit where-as with VR, you feel very much "in it" and you therefore relax more.
I converted my TrackClip PRO to cordless by wiring up a micro RC heli battery, LiPo if I recall. The battery sits inside the unit and the charging plug is exposed so it can be charged easily. Lasts a very long time and is charged via a fast-charger. Have pics and all of the assembly somewhere... been a long time since I looked at those files.
I've used TrackIR 4 since 2010 back in the days of Test Drive Unlimited and Race 07. I had no problems using the hat and wireless sensors which gets around the extra cord issue. I don't think Yorkie mentioned that the TrackIR software is typically configured to amplify your real-life head movements before applying them in-game. So you can turn your head a little IRL but be looking 90 degrees to the side in-game. I also have the Oculus Rift CV1 and found that much more immersive, it is amazing the first time you put it on and see how 'large' the opponents' cars are since you feel like you are seated in one yourself. To get used to driving in VR, start off with tracks that have no elevation changes. I don't race as much these days and also have an ultrawide monitor so have been using that with built-in Look to Apex enabled in various games to cover casual needs.
Thanks for the review, Yorkie. TrackIR seems ideal for my triple-screen setup. I have an Oculus Rift S, practically brand new, which isn’t used at all any more for my driving sims due to the reasons you indicated in the video. Not being able to see my steering wheel display and buttons is a game killer for me. I don’t get the immersion if my wheel, displays and buttons are in another dimension. Each to his own.
Great video. I got my Track IR5 a year ago at a high price at end of Pandemec and starting calibrating it with the LED lights. The clip does not stay on my headphones with out taping it. Unfortunately, I have not used it for awhile and now I am a newbie on DCS. I tried the clip with the Led lights but now they don't light up so I put the clip one on my hat. Much better but after about an hour the camera gets real hot. I am about to get back using it starting on DCS so we'll see if the camera lasts.
Vr just isnt quite there yet, though it's still fun. In dcs I use track ir for learning and vr for fun. With Track IR I can have a manual out or watching a tutorial video while flying. Sometimes it's just nice to be able to sit down and play without having to where the headset.
For me that I can't wear a vr headset for a long time (I don't like not being able to see the ambient around and my nice rig + poor graphics) this is the best solution. I tried triple 27 (but the vertical fov was too narrow) , tried several vr headsets but they all had obviously the problems that I said before, than a 34 ultrawide but still narrow vertical fov.. now I'm with a 43 inch 4k TV right after the wheel. Not overkill like a 55 inch , you don't feel like a dwarf in che car and more fov than a 34 ultrawide horizontally and vertically
My TrackIR has been sitting in a drawer since I tried VR for the first time 3 years ago. I guess I did pull it out for some Arma about a year ago. I’m 100% if it doesn’t fully support VR I won’t support it.
The opposite is true for me. I don’t like the fact that I cannot get to see my wheel display or use my button box and steering buttons. Above that, it is rather uncomfortable and perspiration-inducing. On non-driving games, I enjoy VR for brief periods; but since I enjoy sim racing the most, my Oculus Rift S is being used very infrequently. I am now looking towards buying TrackIR for my racing games.
@@edteach3r I have no issues using a button box in vr you just have to make sure its all placed in a good location with different size buttons so you can tell what it is from feel.
I use TrackIR well a cheaper version but I prefer it over VR as I dont have enough room it doesnt run that well on my PC and the picture quality is quite poor really. And I get motion sickness really quick
@@edteach3r I use the wheel buttons and my button boxes just fine. You have to use MUSCLE MEMORY anyway, in a real race you wouldn't hunt for a specific button, you just knew what to push without looking. Plus, you can peek through the nose gap in VR Headset if you really need to see outside.
I bought TrackIR 5 about 5 years ago and tried it for sim racing. I found turning my head where I wanted to look, while keeping my eyes looking straight at the screen very odd, and in addition, if there was a slide that happened while I was not looking straight at the screen, I had a lot of trouble predicting it, so counter acting it was an issue. As a result, I used TrackIR with EuroTruck (looking left and right at an intersection was really handy). I tried VR, and yes, I had to upgrade my GPU to a GTX1080, and yes, Beat Saber caused some destruction around the room initially, and yes I needed to get a chair without wheels for racing otherwise I would get motion sick. However, the immersion was unparalleled in VR to anything else I have experienced. To clarify though, I don't really use either TrackIR or VR these days for racing. I now have a triple screen setup that I find is a good compromise (ultawide would also work). The reasons I don't use VR much are: 1. It's heavy so long races are a no no for my neck 2. it's hot, and I sweat a lot so it fogs up 3. It's too hot to use in summer so I didn't use it as much as I thought I would. So this took a lot of experimenting to figure out what worked for me and what didn't, so ultimately, what is going to work for you is very personal. As VR is very costly (unit purchase + system upgrades), I would recommend borrowing one to try before you buy.
You did not calibrate it for you then. For your game application you should aim to never having to move your head past the monitor's edge. E.g. in ACC when I focus a point roughly 15-20% of the monitor's edge, it'll look out almost 90° to the side which allows me to check for other cars or slightly less for a peek in the side mirror.
Excellent sum-up... Great vid! Been using a DIY trackIR for a while now, which brings me to another plus on this contraption. A bloke where I live 3d machines the frame for the IR leds, and I use a ps3 eyetoy cam to pick up the leds. For mere peanuts(50-70€) you're up and running this. There is no reason not to, there simply is not.
Excellent driving dude. I have Oculus and mainly use it for flight sim and driving sim. Have to say though if I do any more than an hour or so on VR I start to get a headache, TrackIR I hasn't got that issue and another point is that you are running at max resolution rather than VR resolution. That's one of the reasons I was checking the review.
It’s a great tool for motion sickness but I’d say Valve index helps with it as well and it’s way better than the rest. Most people experienced only rift. For the viewer I saw a few brilliant VR videos with some smoothing option and it looked soo good 🔥 Like your setup as well 🌈
As someone who had a Tir5 so long i had to replace the hat clips reflective tape and now have a rift s , no not even close. Turning to look at apexes in DirtRally 2 is amazing in VR. Bonus its great for DCS world and then you throw in the hours of game play for alyx. Its apples and oranges. Naturalpoint hasn't updated there software in 5 years either. No other games are going to get support. They haven't really tired to get into new titles since the Dk2 came out.
It will probably help you a bit to see around the halo, as you can also lean, but the lean axis is not the best thing to have active whilst driving unless you have the amount of lean tuned right down. Either way, it is fantastic and I loved using it back when I used to play the F1 games.
Keeping your eyes on the screen but turning ur head is just weird as the monitor stays static, that's alright if you're sitting really close to like a 50" screen, but a regular 24" monitor at a decent distance would just be wrong
I started off on a 21 inch monitor when I first picked this up, then moved to 24 inch, and now I'm on a 35 inch ultra wide. The last one does feel more natural than the first 2, but when it comes to looking into and through corners, your head naturally turns in anyway and you can adjust the sensitivity so it's picked up and put into the game with a slight look to apex feel. Surprisingly, I really didn't take me long to get accustomed to it and making use of its functionality by looking round more. It feels more like an extension in control rather than an unnatural hindrance.
Nah, I've been using TrackIr for over 10 years, and this has never been a problem in racing sims. The thing is, that in racing sims, especially in modern cars that have proper head rests modeled, you only need like 40 degrees rotation in each direction max. You can get this with very little head movement, and the brain builds up muscle memory pretty fast. Is it as immersive or good as VR, where you can look around naturally? No, but VR comes with its own set of issues.
I used to use track ir and you get used to moving head but not eyes very quickly. I've got vr now though and there's not a chance of going back. Not that ir wasn't good (It's very good) I just get so much more out of vr.
Great video Yorkie065! I agree with all your comments. I love it because you can turn your head earlier to see the apex of the corner and not be limited to the FOV setting of your game. I was wondering whether you would consider doing a video on how to fine tune the TrackIR 5 for various games such as ACC, rFactor 2 etc or list your settings in the description below your video. Cheers Walter.
Does it works in a complete dark room, I play on a projector and could I put the trackir below the screen (120 inch) because the top of my screen is too high.
I have track ir for about 8 years i think. I am very satisfied with space/flight/car simulations and i cant play them without it anymore. Other games (dayZ, Arma, etc,....) i use it from time to time....
I'm getting trackir 5 next week for MSFS 2020. I''m excited to try it out with the pro clip as I do a lot of streams when doing flights. I'm excited to see how more immersive it will be.
Thank you for the video! And thanks for the idea! I have had a tracker for a long time, but for some reason it never occurred to me to use it in a car simulator ...
I used trackir when i first started iracing, it was really nice for racing closely like in skip barber, pro mazda etc, it was easier to maneuver around cars
Bart J I’ve tried a Rift with iRacing several times and the picture quality was horrible, didn’t work with my glasses well and I felt sick the rest of the day so Trackir works much better for me and all my custom button boxes work as normal.
Depends what you want to look at and how sensitive you have it. For me, I have it so that when I look left to look at the left wing mirror for example, I turn my head left to bring the wing mirror onto the left side of the screen, but my eyes are still looking to the left side of the screen. You could say that my eyes are looking in the opposite direction, but only 5-10 degrees or so. It's only really if I want to be able to see out to one direction to keep an eye on something yet want to use my eyes to glance around at other things in that off-centred view are you really needing to look heavily in the opposite direction, which is quite rare.
Nope. It works in the same way as VR, so some games will require you to use the 'helmet cam', others will just work straight off with the standard cockpit camera.
I play on my TV that is about 3,5 meters from my chair and my pc is another few meters in another direction. Will this work that far away from each other?
I think it will be a struggle depending on the location of the PC. The two sensors 'might' read each other at that distance, but the main thing would be the length of the cables not reaching to where you're sat. I would probably wait until you get the opportunity to refine the setup and move things around so they're closer before picking it up.
@@Yorkie065 Actually if using the track pro clip the sensor that the camera tracks does not need to actually be hooked to the pc but instead can be plugged into a usb phone charger plugged into a different outlet which will supply the power the leds in the headphone mounted sensor needs for the camera to read. Now the Track IR camera will need to be plugged into the PC of course but not the head mounted sensor. This will eliminate the problem of sensor cable length from the seating position to the actual PC. Of course for life and longevity the sensor should be unplugged after your gaming sessions.
From what your saying I have to ask have you tried playing other games in VR that are not racing based to acclimatise to VR? As I've seen so many only play sim/game they are interested in that happen to be one of the most motion sicknesses inducing activities also many fail to notice things like a lock to the horizon/lock to seat option that will change the smoothness of the ride based on or between the options.
I have yeah, and more often than not they're more nausea inducing for me than racing sims. Some games are fine, but I've tried a few indie titles that made me feel sick quicker, even just walking around exploring a world, and the same with flight sims as well. I'm aware of adjusting world movement settings and locking things to the horizon which certainly helped a great deal, but I still can't go on for too long.
@@Yorkie065 You say about games that have walking, so I would say anything that has any type of motion other than the movement that you make yourself is a no-no for getting VR legs, I'm talking games like SUPERHOT, Moss, Beatsaber where the only motion is if you yourself move your body (no moving via stick inputs/controllers) once you can be in one of them for an hour or two, then move on otherwise you hit so many odd things that can set you off that you don't get to understand what part of VR motion is actually triggering sickness for you, that you can gradually overcome.
Thanks, think i'll give it a whirl. Great vid, I had no idea this thing existed. One last question, I have a triple set up with pretty good fov already, do you think it would still add something to the experience? Oh and have you tried it with Pcars2?
Yeah, it's up on price compared to what I paid when I picked it up. But then again, most things that I've seen tech wise is more expensive than usual at the moment due to the global situation.
Yeah, it will add a bit of dynamic movement to the experience with triples and give you the ability to get the FOV just right and yet still be able to glance to see out the side windows, although you won't want the settings to be as sensitive as you would for using a single screen. And yup, have always used it with PCARS2.
Hi , just got a TrackIR to try since getting eye strain with my older Oculus Rift V1 VR headset for iRacing mainly. I used your profile but man, was not expecting the motion sickness from it... Maybe because it is my first time trying it but never got motion sickness in VR. The screen shifting like that got my reference point out of wack completely. Maybe it is moving too fast, too much with a OneToOne template setting in the software but was not expecting that. Is it getting better with time? Not felt well for 15min at least... Anybody got that at first? Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hello, when you say used my profile, do you mean copied what you saw in the video or the profile that I have available for download on my discord server? The only time where I felt a bit icky from using TrackIR was when I very first got it and started using it, but that's because I had all the degrees of motion enabled and hadn't got the settings dialed in to where I wanted them, so there was way more movement than there should have been. Once I disabled pretty much all the axis bar Yaw and Pitch, I felt much better and was just a case of finding the right rotation settings.
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, it is the one you have in your discord server. Now you may be right about the right rotation settings but did not touch them from your profile. It is set to OneToOne as template setting for the ones you selected active in your profile. Now, maybe we could exchange the exact settings for rotation curves because it is way too much movement for me right now. Hope it clarifies the situation. We could take this exchange to your discord server if you preferred. Thanks again for your help. Really want to make it work. :-)
Depends how you set it up and what you're after. You could make it so the TrackIR has a very low sensitivity so you can get a little bit of movement to make it feel a little more dynamic, without it being overly jarring.
Great video... This was very thorough and I enjoyed it. I think VR is far superior but it seems like my wife and friends can't handle the motion and get nauseas. For that reason, I think the triple monitor with this would be great. It eliminates the issue of having to keep your eyes forward. I do hate feeling around for the buttons on my wheel and keyboard though, that is a HUGE win for the tracker. LOL
Track Clip Pro is not a sensor, it is just a three point infrared light source. It is powered by 5v USB, but you do not have to connect the USB to your PC as no data is transmitted through the cable. You can connect it to a mains-powered 5v phone charger with a USB socket in it and it will work just as well, so you do not need it to be tethered to your PC. You can simply plug the USB phone charger into the nearest mains electricity socket, or run an extension cable over if there is no socket nearby. I bought a short USB extension lead with an on/off switch in the middle of it from ebay and this allows you to switch the Track Clip Pro on when in use and off when you have finished using it. They cost about £2 only and prolong the life of the LEDs in the Track clip Pro because if you leave it connected to the USB on your PC the LEDs will remain on, even after you have finished using it. However, I mostly use VR these days because I have never suffered from any kind of motion sickness and I have also built myself some custom button box type controllers which I can use unsighted, so not being able to see the keyboard etc. is not really a problem for me.
Yeah, a few other people in the comments have corrected me on that too, although yours has the most detail. Thanks for the info as I'm sure it will be useful for those looking for alternative solutions to plugging the clip in if they need them!
Personally I prefer VR because it really throws you in there. I use a CV1 at home but at work we have a Pimax and that is just glorious! I honestly think VR is better except for image clarity and if you have a big wide screen (I only have a 29 inch screen) I can see how the visual crispness of track IR can be something interesting. However, the immersion factor is just not there for me (I have both systems since I used to use track IR for my flight sims).
Interesting piece of kit. I race in VR, but in the summer it gets so hot in my little office that I tend to put it down for a few months and go back to 2D racing. This might be the 'thing' I'm looking for to bridge that gap. Thanks for the information.
Ha, i always thought you mentioned something called TrackEye and assumed it was a cam you wear on your head looking back that could identify eyes and track the movement of them. This is a pretty cool piece of kit tho.
I know everyone who watched this that doesn't have TrackIR, spent their time turning their head while keeping their eyes on the screen. Personally i don't have an issue when driving for long periods in VR so the only real upside in TrackIR for me is the level of detail you can keep.
86Themadhatter Yup. TrackIR was great before I got my first VR HMD. I feel like it probably helped condition me VR as far as motion sickness goes I have no problem, almost zero negative effects from VR. The longest stint I ever did in VR was just over an hour. As long as I have a fan on me I could probably keep going. I absolutely love VR for sim racing and can’t play any other way.
If you've already got VR and comfortable with it across all sorts of games, then yeah, this probably isn't something for you as having that wider FOV with the screen so close to your eyes does fill your peripheral vision a lot more. If you don't have VR though and you want to be able see beyond the edges of the screen, and have the added extension of control of being able to look around without using a mouse and/or buttons, then this is suitable. You're not having to look out your peripherals as much as people think. I only turn my head left to look at say the wing mirror or out the side of the cockpit of the car, I'm only turning my head as far as I need to to bring that onto the left side of the screen for my eyes to focus on the left side of the screen. My eyes are still comfortably looking in a direction independent of my head, as I'm not turning my head to be looking at the centre point of the monitor which would strain the eyes. With the adjustment that the software allows, you can have it say 2:1 so 45 degrees of real head movement equates to 90 degrees of in-game camera movement, or you can change it to say something like 20 or 30 degrees of head movement equates to 90 degrees of in-game camera movement. You have the freedom to adjust it to a level where it's comfortable for you.
Could you please do a tutorial on how to configure the Track IR software for various driving/racing sims such as AC and ACC please. I am having a tough time getting my settings right. Nothing I do seems to feel natural. Would love to use your settings as a starting point.
Great video Yorkie! I was on the fence between Track IR and Tobii as I didnt want VR and didn't have the room for triple monitors. I ended going with Tobii because of a great deal on Ebay plus Tobii supports eye tracking as well as head. In the end I honestly can't play my racing sims without it for the same reasons you mentioned in your video. For games that only support Track IR, and not Tobii, there is a 3rd party software call TrackNoIR which allows head tracking using the Tobii hardware. I'm hoping more and more games in the future continue to support both Track IR and Tobii as they are fantastic pieces of kits that help to immerse players into driving and flight sims.
I was researching about track IR 5 if it would be good for me or not and your video has just made me decide that I will get one in the next few weeks when i have the cash. My gaming rig is running on an old GTX 960 4GB so its not VR ready and i have a logitech G923 setup that i use for games like ATS and eventually Bus sim 21 when they make it work properly so this would be great addition to it all.
I find mine works just as well with both the hat sensor and the sensor that clips to your headphones. I have a hat set up with it on ready to go. Thanks for the video.
Nope, as the magnet is small and doesn't touch the screen. And I know it's cheaper, but I think the TrackIR is a far more aesthetically appealing and refined piece of kit.
Awesome stuff. Yup, you can find it by joining my discord (link should be in the description), then head over to the sim rigs and gear channel. It's in a pinned message in there. Hope you enjoy it
rcsimulations.co.uk Think they have stock of the version without the track clip Pro at the moment. Can recommend the site though, it's where I brought my TiR5 years ago.
I have Valve Index and TrackIR 5. Last Saturday I've done 2 hour non stop session playing ACC in VR and had no sickness, no problems whatsoever. Even the heat VR produces, I've got used to it. I am also much better driver when I am using VR so ACC is set up for it now. BUT I miss image clarity which I get with my 55 inch 4k TV... With TrackIR 5 I can still enjoy beautiful graphics and in VR graphics is meh.
I feel stupid for asking ... But I think I'm understanding that your eyes are fixed on the screen and you turn your head. So "looking left" = turning head left, but looking out of the corner of your eye to the screen? It seems like this would in and of itself introduce some kind of motion sickness. Isn't it weird to not be looking "straight"?
So they are, but it's not 1 to 1 in terms of real head movement and what is done in-game. It's exagerated so that about 5-10° of head movement will do a good 30-40° in-game. So it is easy to both look left or right and keep your eyes on the screen and I got used to it very quickly without feeling motion sick bar the first one or two times using it. I still, despite having used VR a number of times to try and get over it. I think it's because with the VR, I can't see any of my surroundings so the effect of seeing motion and bumps but not actually feeling it is made a whole lot worse. With the TrackIR, although I'm focusing on the screen, my eyes can pick up my surroundings in my peripheral vision which combats and nullifies the effect of seeing motion (within the confines of the screen) and not feeling it.
It has been in a box since I last flown DCS like 3-4 years ago. Might be a good time to take it out for a walk. But will try he hat clip. Never used it but the IR Clip was kind of annoying
4:18 - That's not really the reason why people get motion sick in VR. Because the camera isn't "jumping around" for the headset user, it's their own head that is moving. It's actually in accordance with their head movement, so they're not even aware of it. Looking at VR gameplay of someone else, the viewer just sees all those micro-movements we unconsciously make with our head. The actual reason why people get motion sick in VR, is because our senses are getting conflicting 'data'. For example, the eyes see all this stuff moving, so assumes your body is in motion. But your body (or to precies, your inner ear) senses it's not moving at all. And some people senses are more aware of this then others. I got the same in real life. If I'm in a driving car, I have to look outside to see things moving. Otherwise, if I'm trying to read something in a book or from the phone, I'll get sick, because my body detects I'm moving, but my eyes don't see that movement. As a child, I got car-sick a lot in the back of the car.
You didnt mention which VR headset you have? I feel this is a huge peice of information when comparing it to anything else, as VR headsets go from super cheap and crappy ro very expensive and awsome.
@@flo13boe yeah unless you have a massive wrap around monitor I don't see myself liking this. I went from a single 24in monitor to VR and I couldn't be happier. However, everyone's situation is different. Graphics will be better on a high end monitor but VR is just amazing. Although someone should be watching your kids lol. Don't jump into VR if there's no one to watch your kids
@@flo13boe I actually never even thought about this throughout the video. Now it does seem very strange and makes me want to experience it to see how weird it is, lol. I have the Valve Index VR Kit though so it's not worth it. I used to get nauseous while playing Asseto Corsa but after upgrading the CPU, I don't have that problem anymore. It was an FPS problem and that will quickly make you nauseous. Other VR games like Gorn with on foot movement without teleportation make me very nauseous but I heard you have to get used to it by playing a bit more.
I can use my reverb without my glasses and is all looks great.I cannot use a monitor without my glasses.Have you ever turned your head to the side then look at your monitor with glasses on? I get it that people who spent big$ on monitors and button boxes are looking for ways to keep using them.I personally sold all that stuff.For me its VR all the way.No looking back no second thoughts.
I don't wear glasses so I hadn't even considered that, but I can see how that would be a problem. To combat that though, you can adjust the sensitivity of the head movement, so you could use less of your own head movement for more in-game camera movement so your vision of the screen wouldn't be blocked so much by the frame of your glasses as you'd turn your head less.
I think I would look into it when I move to pc rather than vr. Only used VR twice. And for me the problem was that I wear glasses. VR didn’t feel comfy when wearing glasses and due to my eyesight I could see clearly at all when taking them off. Plus like you said in the video I’ve personally invested in other products that I use whilst racing. Plus I’m assuming this gives the range of view as you would have by using triple monitors. I don’t have the space to TrackIR 5 seems like something would suit me
This will allow you to look further left and right than triples with a fixed straight ahead view would give. The ultimate combo though would be to have both TrackIR and triples, that way you get a wider FOV with the extra peripheral vision, but then also have the ability to move the camera left and right a bit if you wanted / needed it.
You can buy prescription inserts for almost any quality hmd. IMO tir should be compared with triples or buttons. VR is on a league on its own for sim racing. Nothing else comes close. I had sickness issues with 80hz of rifts in sim racing. Higher fps are very very helpfull. IF you get sick, save money and go for 120hz index.
ive just purchased a track IR, waiting for it to arrive but i dont really get how it can help for triple screens... i mean isnt track IR suppose to enable single monitor users to look left and right and see what triple screen users would see? how does track IR help for triple screens when even without track IR you can see much more peripheral? ill be using it on a ultrawide. thanks.
@@jinx20001 yeah, but the thing is, with triple monitors, you can have a quick glance on your side mirrors. Adding trackir, you can increase how far you can see on the side monitors with just a few extra degrees
Yeah, unfortunately with the current global situation as it is, hardware is more difficult to purchase with a lot of stuff being out of stock or higher in price than usual.
IR is a good compliment to single monitor users
The point about VR isn't that you can just look around, it's that the image is 3D as in real life - each eye sees a different perspective. This is why, once they've experienced "being in the car" (VR), so many people actually refuse to drive with monitors again.
yeh we know mate lol
Nah, not me. I tried VR at a friends house and I was expecting much more of a wow experience. I mostly thought about all the limitations, especially the movements etc.
The only drawback of VR is the software and the cables, sometimes, SteamVR reports problems, sometimes its the Occulus App not working as it should, these two system do not really play well together, sometimes the cable is slightly detached, the bandwidth drops, making the game hang - I usually spend about half an hour before I get the game running, it's really a pain, but in racing, it gives much more immersion, way better judgements of the breaking points and apex, resulting in much better best times.
True, but also some can't use VR for driving and are starving for something similar. I have never played Elite Dangerous again after playing it one time in VR. I will need to set up voice commands and get over motion sickness, and I am really lazy, so...........
@@mrmisterno1 just know you’re the odd minority
I just got head tracking with triple 27 inch monitors and I love it. Gives me the chance to move the camera around, spot apexes, look when opponents are alongside, use the rear camera in rf2 etc. Some people seem to hate it, but it's only been a positive for me. I got the £60 Delanclip kit and can very much recommend it - and head tracking in general.
I use the trackir on automobilista 2 in helmet view with a simple screen. It really gives a lot of immersion and feeling, I love it;)
what monitor u use? does it comfortable when need to move head but keep eye straight on monitor?
@@Rsage21 >> does it comfortable when need to move head but keep eye straight on monitor?
Exactly my question
I have been a TrackIR user for many years. Once I got my Oculus Rift almost three years ago, I gave it as a gift to a friend of mine and I have never regretted.
Love my TrackIR5 for American Truck Simulator and ETS2. Made a world of difference. It's funny really, I bought it for Racing sims I rarely play, but it gets a work out in Trucking.
Yes, it works really well with ATS and ETS2. I use the plastic baseball cap clip which means i simply twist my cap to the side to lock the shoulder view for reversing my truck.
Thanks, a very useful video. I am currently seriously considering buying a trackIR 5 since my system probably couldn't handle VR ( with current gen sims ) and neither could my stomach. The main reason being that I like to use the correct field of view in racing sims but that means that I can only see the windscreen and nothing either side of me. I have wheel buttons mapped to look left and right but it isn't really ideal. It would be much nicer if I could just look left or right as required to see where the other drivers are. Based on your review I think trackIR could be the solution I have been looking for. You've had yours for a long time and generally they seem to be very reliable so it is not a massive investment to potentially change my sim racing experience massively. Thank you. This video was exactly the sort of consumer advice ( with sim racing emphasis ) I was looking for.
love your vids Yorkie - its funny how some people do prefer track-IR, VR, or triples... or some combination. I'm glad to hear there's a market for all these systems.
I myself am strictly VR only. I tried track-IR and my really did a number on my neck - controlling the camera with my neck stiffened it up so so much, it required very specific control, always conscious of what my neck and head were doing, it tensed up the muscles a lot and my neck was unable to deal with it. VR feels way more natural to me - I forget I'm wearing it and I just look wherever I need to.
That's interesting as I've not heard of any other users having that kind of experience, and I would have thought as well that you'd get the same thing with VR. I guess it's your whole subconscious trying to fight it a bit where-as with VR, you feel very much "in it" and you therefore relax more.
@@Yorkie065 I agree.
I was very intrigued by Track IR 10+ years ago, mainly for use in flight sims, than driving, but I never got around to trying it.
I went ahead and ordered it York. Thanks again Mate.
What did you order?
@@christopheroconnor4665 Track IR
Have one and I love it. I bought a wireless tracker, the UTC II+ Pro and it's top notch
does it take time to get used?
I converted my TrackClip PRO to cordless by wiring up a micro RC heli battery, LiPo if I recall.
The battery sits inside the unit and the charging plug is exposed so it can be charged easily.
Lasts a very long time and is charged via a fast-charger.
Have pics and all of the assembly somewhere... been a long time since I looked at those files.
SOLID FARRELL good idea! Done.
I've used TrackIR 4 since 2010 back in the days of Test Drive Unlimited and Race 07. I had no problems using the hat and wireless sensors which gets around the extra cord issue. I don't think Yorkie mentioned that the TrackIR software is typically configured to amplify your real-life head movements before applying them in-game. So you can turn your head a little IRL but be looking 90 degrees to the side in-game. I also have the Oculus Rift CV1 and found that much more immersive, it is amazing the first time you put it on and see how 'large' the opponents' cars are since you feel like you are seated in one yourself. To get used to driving in VR, start off with tracks that have no elevation changes. I don't race as much these days and also have an ultrawide monitor so have been using that with built-in Look to Apex enabled in various games to cover casual needs.
Thanks for the review, Yorkie. TrackIR seems ideal for my triple-screen setup. I have an Oculus Rift S, practically brand new, which isn’t used at all any more for my driving sims due to the reasons you indicated in the video. Not being able to see my steering wheel display and buttons is a game killer for me. I don’t get the immersion if my wheel, displays and buttons are in another dimension. Each to his own.
That dive bomb up the inside at the start though... XD
Except that he bumped both cars.
i use trackir with triples. works really great. can clearly see side mirrors, and look out side windows.
@dan S which sims are you using
@Dan S , which sims are you using
@DanS which sims are you using
@@Djk0t rFactor 2, iRacing. i reckon others will work, but haven't tried.
@@dans5595 thanks I also use iracing and rf2. Do you need to do any adjustments to the ingame settings?
Great video. I got my Track IR5 a year ago at a high price at end of Pandemec and starting calibrating it with the LED lights. The clip does not stay on my headphones with out taping it. Unfortunately, I have not used it for awhile and now I am a newbie on DCS. I tried the clip with the Led lights but now they don't light up so I put the clip one on my hat. Much better but after about an hour the camera gets real hot. I am about to get back using it starting on DCS so we'll see if the camera lasts.
Vr just isnt quite there yet, though it's still fun. In dcs I use track ir for learning and vr for fun. With Track IR I can have a manual out or watching a tutorial video while flying. Sometimes it's just nice to be able to sit down and play without having to where the headset.
For me that I can't wear a vr headset for a long time (I don't like not being able to see the ambient around and my nice rig + poor graphics) this is the best solution. I tried triple 27 (but the vertical fov was too narrow) , tried several vr headsets but they all had obviously the problems that I said before, than a 34 ultrawide but still narrow vertical fov.. now I'm with a 43 inch 4k TV right after the wheel. Not overkill like a 55 inch , you don't feel like a dwarf in che car and more fov than a 34 ultrawide horizontally and vertically
Drawback of short cable to track clip pro can be solved by now offered wireless clips too.
Thank you for an excellent over view of this product. I'm in!!
My TrackIR has been sitting in a drawer since I tried VR for the first time 3 years ago. I guess I did pull it out for some Arma about a year ago. I’m 100% if it doesn’t fully support VR I won’t support it.
Same here. I sold my TrackIR after it gathered 4 years worth of dust.
No VR, No party.
The opposite is true for me. I don’t like the fact that I cannot get to see my wheel display or use my button box and steering buttons. Above that, it is rather uncomfortable and perspiration-inducing. On non-driving games, I enjoy VR for brief periods; but since I enjoy sim racing the most, my Oculus Rift S is being used very infrequently. I am now looking towards buying TrackIR for my racing games.
@@edteach3r I have no issues using a button box in vr you just have to make sure its all placed in a good location with different size buttons so you can tell what it is from feel.
I use TrackIR well a cheaper version but I prefer it over VR as I dont have enough room it doesnt run that well on my PC and the picture quality is quite poor really. And I get motion sickness really quick
@@edteach3r I use the wheel buttons and my button boxes just fine. You have to use MUSCLE MEMORY anyway, in a real race you wouldn't hunt for a specific button, you just knew what to push without looking.
Plus, you can peek through the nose gap in VR Headset if you really need to see outside.
I bought TrackIR 5 about 5 years ago and tried it for sim racing. I found turning my head where I wanted to look, while keeping my eyes looking straight at the screen very odd, and in addition, if there was a slide that happened while I was not looking straight at the screen, I had a lot of trouble predicting it, so counter acting it was an issue. As a result, I used TrackIR with EuroTruck (looking left and right at an intersection was really handy).
I tried VR, and yes, I had to upgrade my GPU to a GTX1080, and yes, Beat Saber caused some destruction around the room initially, and yes I needed to get a chair without wheels for racing otherwise I would get motion sick. However, the immersion was unparalleled in VR to anything else I have experienced.
To clarify though, I don't really use either TrackIR or VR these days for racing. I now have a triple screen setup that I find is a good compromise (ultawide would also work).
The reasons I don't use VR much are:
1. It's heavy so long races are a no no for my neck
2. it's hot, and I sweat a lot so it fogs up
3. It's too hot to use in summer so I didn't use it as much as I thought I would.
So this took a lot of experimenting to figure out what worked for me and what didn't, so ultimately, what is going to work for you is very personal. As VR is very costly (unit purchase + system upgrades), I would recommend borrowing one to try before you buy.
You did not calibrate it for you then. For your game application you should aim to never having to move your head past the monitor's edge. E.g. in ACC when I focus a point roughly 15-20% of the monitor's edge, it'll look out almost 90° to the side which allows me to check for other cars or slightly less for a peek in the side mirror.
Thanks for the info Mate. Have been waiting and wanting to find out in depth what and how it was.
Excellent sum-up... Great vid! Been using a DIY trackIR for a while now, which brings me to another plus on this contraption. A bloke where I live 3d machines the frame for the IR leds, and I use a ps3 eyetoy cam to pick up the leds.
For mere peanuts(50-70€) you're up and running this. There is no reason not to, there simply is not.
Thanks for sharing mate, was waiting for that video 👍
Your welcome :)
Excellent driving dude. I have Oculus and mainly use it for flight sim and driving sim. Have to say though if I do any more than an hour or so on VR I start to get a headache, TrackIR I hasn't got that issue and another point is that you are running at max resolution rather than VR resolution. That's one of the reasons I was checking the review.
Ive had trackir for 11 years. I use it for flight sims and Arma 3... its hard to play games without it now
It’s a great tool for motion sickness but I’d say Valve index helps with it as well and it’s way better than the rest. Most people experienced only rift. For the viewer I saw a few brilliant VR videos with some smoothing option and it looked soo good 🔥 Like your setup as well 🌈
I've not tried the Valve Index. Shall definitely have to try and get my hands on that to have a go at some stage.
Yorkie065 I miss your videos with the crazy commentary from you on the background. They were sooo much fun and good laughs 😂
As someone who had a Tir5 so long i had to replace the hat clips reflective tape and now have a rift s , no not even close. Turning to look at apexes in DirtRally 2 is amazing in VR. Bonus its great for DCS world and then you throw in the hours of game play for alyx. Its apples and oranges. Naturalpoint hasn't updated there software in 5 years either. No other games are going to get support. They haven't really tired to get into new titles since the Dk2 came out.
I need to get this for F1 2021. Playing with a fixed camera in the cockpit view, I have to turn off the halo column
It will probably help you a bit to see around the halo, as you can also lean, but the lean axis is not the best thing to have active whilst driving unless you have the amount of lean tuned right down. Either way, it is fantastic and I loved using it back when I used to play the F1 games.
Keeping your eyes on the screen but turning ur head is just weird as the monitor stays static, that's alright if you're sitting really close to like a 50" screen, but a regular 24" monitor at a decent distance would just be wrong
I started off on a 21 inch monitor when I first picked this up, then moved to 24 inch, and now I'm on a 35 inch ultra wide. The last one does feel more natural than the first 2, but when it comes to looking into and through corners, your head naturally turns in anyway and you can adjust the sensitivity so it's picked up and put into the game with a slight look to apex feel. Surprisingly, I really didn't take me long to get accustomed to it and making use of its functionality by looking round more. It feels more like an extension in control rather than an unnatural hindrance.
Nah, I've been using TrackIr for over 10 years, and this has never been a problem in racing sims. The thing is, that in racing sims, especially in modern cars that have proper head rests modeled, you only need like 40 degrees rotation in each direction max. You can get this with very little head movement, and the brain builds up muscle memory pretty fast.
Is it as immersive or good as VR, where you can look around naturally? No, but VR comes with its own set of issues.
I used to use track ir and you get used to moving head but not eyes very quickly. I've got vr now though and there's not a chance of going back. Not that ir wasn't good (It's very good) I just get so much more out of vr.
Great video Yorkie065! I agree with all your comments. I love it because you can turn your head earlier to see the apex of the corner and not be limited to the FOV setting of your game. I was wondering whether you would consider doing a video on how to fine tune the TrackIR 5 for various games such as ACC, rFactor 2 etc or list your settings in the description below your video. Cheers Walter.
Does it works in a complete dark room, I play on a projector and could I put the trackir below the screen (120 inch) because the top of my screen is too high.
Thank you SO much! I will try this. Great vid, great explainations
Does it works also with a three sceens?
I have track ir for about 8 years i think. I am very satisfied with space/flight/car simulations and i cant play them without it anymore. Other games (dayZ, Arma, etc,....) i use it from time to time....
can you use like 3 sensors on a 49 in ultrawide so you're eyeballs don't have to de-socket?
I'm getting trackir 5 next week for MSFS 2020. I''m excited to try it out with the pro clip as I do a lot of streams when doing flights. I'm excited to see how more immersive it will be.
Hope you love it just as much as I do! Just take the time fiddling and adjusting the settings to something that you like.
@@Yorkie065 👍
Thank you for the video! And thanks for the idea! I have had a tracker for a long time, but for some reason it never occurred to me to use it in a car simulator ...
I used trackir when i first started iracing, it was really nice for racing closely like in skip barber, pro mazda etc, it was easier to maneuver around cars
you should try vr then...
Bart J I’ve tried a Rift with iRacing several times and the picture quality was horrible, didn’t work with my glasses well and I felt sick the rest of the day so Trackir works much better for me and all my custom button boxes work as normal.
So if I want to look left I turn my head left but have to look right with my eyes to see the screen. That seems a little weird.
Depends what you want to look at and how sensitive you have it. For me, I have it so that when I look left to look at the left wing mirror for example, I turn my head left to bring the wing mirror onto the left side of the screen, but my eyes are still looking to the left side of the screen. You could say that my eyes are looking in the opposite direction, but only 5-10 degrees or so. It's only really if I want to be able to see out to one direction to keep an eye on something yet want to use my eyes to glance around at other things in that off-centred view are you really needing to look heavily in the opposite direction, which is quite rare.
So do you just map that input device to the "look left" and "look right" channels in the sim racing programs?
Nope. It works in the same way as VR, so some games will require you to use the 'helmet cam', others will just work straight off with the standard cockpit camera.
I play on my TV that is about 3,5 meters from my chair and my pc is another few meters in another direction. Will this work that far away from each other?
I think it will be a struggle depending on the location of the PC. The two sensors 'might' read each other at that distance, but the main thing would be the length of the cables not reaching to where you're sat. I would probably wait until you get the opportunity to refine the setup and move things around so they're closer before picking it up.
@@Yorkie065 Actually if using the track pro clip the sensor that the camera tracks does not need to actually be hooked to the pc but instead can be plugged into a usb phone charger plugged into a different outlet which will supply the power the leds in the headphone mounted sensor needs for the camera to read.
Now the Track IR camera will need to be plugged into the PC of course but not the head mounted sensor. This will eliminate the problem of sensor cable length from the seating position to the actual PC.
Of course for life and longevity the sensor should be unplugged after your gaming sessions.
From what your saying I have to ask have you tried playing other games in VR that are not racing based to acclimatise to VR? As I've seen so many only play sim/game they are interested in that happen to be one of the most motion sicknesses inducing activities also many fail to notice things like a lock to the horizon/lock to seat option that will change the smoothness of the ride based on or between the options.
I have yeah, and more often than not they're more nausea inducing for me than racing sims. Some games are fine, but I've tried a few indie titles that made me feel sick quicker, even just walking around exploring a world, and the same with flight sims as well. I'm aware of adjusting world movement settings and locking things to the horizon which certainly helped a great deal, but I still can't go on for too long.
@@Yorkie065 You say about games that have walking, so I would say anything that has any type of motion other than the movement that you make yourself is a no-no for getting VR legs, I'm talking games like SUPERHOT, Moss, Beatsaber where the only motion is if you yourself move your body (no moving via stick inputs/controllers) once you can be in one of them for an hour or two, then move on otherwise you hit so many odd things that can set you off that you don't get to understand what part of VR motion is actually triggering sickness for you, that you can gradually overcome.
The simple clip works fine and can even be clipped onto headphones instead of a cap peak.
Currently out of stock on amazon, anyone know roughly what these things sell for?
Currently £180 from the UK dealer listed here: www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/dealers/
@@Yorkie065 thats expensive
Thanks, think i'll give it a whirl. Great vid, I had no idea this thing existed. One last question, I have a triple set up with pretty good fov already, do you think it would still add something to the experience? Oh and have you tried it with Pcars2?
Yeah, it's up on price compared to what I paid when I picked it up. But then again, most things that I've seen tech wise is more expensive than usual at the moment due to the global situation.
Yeah, it will add a bit of dynamic movement to the experience with triples and give you the ability to get the FOV just right and yet still be able to glance to see out the side windows, although you won't want the settings to be as sensitive as you would for using a single screen. And yup, have always used it with PCARS2.
what about Tobii Eye tracker? Anyone experienced with that?
Hi , just got a TrackIR to try since getting eye strain with my older Oculus Rift V1 VR headset for iRacing mainly. I used your profile but man, was not expecting the motion sickness from it... Maybe because it is my first time trying it but never got motion sickness in VR. The screen shifting like that got my reference point out of wack completely. Maybe it is moving too fast, too much with a OneToOne template setting in the software but was not expecting that. Is it getting better with time? Not felt well for 15min at least... Anybody got that at first? Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hello, when you say used my profile, do you mean copied what you saw in the video or the profile that I have available for download on my discord server?
The only time where I felt a bit icky from using TrackIR was when I very first got it and started using it, but that's because I had all the degrees of motion enabled and hadn't got the settings dialed in to where I wanted them, so there was way more movement than there should have been. Once I disabled pretty much all the axis bar Yaw and Pitch, I felt much better and was just a case of finding the right rotation settings.
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, it is the one you have in your discord server. Now you may be right about the right rotation settings but did not touch them from your profile. It is set to OneToOne as template setting for the ones you selected active in your profile. Now, maybe we could exchange the exact settings for rotation curves because it is way too much movement for me right now. Hope it clarifies the situation. We could take this exchange to your discord server if you preferred. Thanks again for your help. Really want to make it work. :-)
Which SIM is the one at 9.30?
I use triple screen for sim racing.i have enough screen space for looking at the Apad.will the ir mess up my viewing angle?
Depends how you set it up and what you're after. You could make it so the TrackIR has a very low sensitivity so you can get a little bit of movement to make it feel a little more dynamic, without it being overly jarring.
Great video... This was very thorough and I enjoyed it. I think VR is far superior but it seems like my wife and friends can't handle the motion and get nauseas. For that reason, I think the triple monitor with this would be great. It eliminates the issue of having to keep your eyes forward. I do hate feeling around for the buttons on my wheel and keyboard though, that is a HUGE win for the tracker. LOL
Track Clip Pro is not a sensor, it is just a three point infrared light source. It is powered by 5v USB, but you do not have to connect the USB to your PC as no data is transmitted through the cable. You can connect it to a mains-powered 5v phone charger with a USB socket in it and it will work just as well, so you do not need it to be tethered to your PC. You can simply plug the USB phone charger into the nearest mains electricity socket, or run an extension cable over if there is no socket nearby.
I bought a short USB extension lead with an on/off switch in the middle of it from ebay and this allows you to switch the Track Clip Pro on when in use and off when you have finished using it. They cost about £2 only and prolong the life of the LEDs in the Track clip Pro because if you leave it connected to the USB on your PC the LEDs will remain on, even after you have finished using it.
However, I mostly use VR these days because I have never suffered from any kind of motion sickness and I have also built myself some custom button box type controllers which I can use unsighted, so not being able to see the keyboard etc. is not really a problem for me.
Yeah, a few other people in the comments have corrected me on that too, although yours has the most detail. Thanks for the info as I'm sure it will be useful for those looking for alternative solutions to plugging the clip in if they need them!
Personally I prefer VR because it really throws you in there. I use a CV1 at home but at work we have a Pimax and that is just glorious! I honestly think VR is better except for image clarity and if you have a big wide screen (I only have a 29 inch screen) I can see how the visual crispness of track IR can be something interesting. However, the immersion factor is just not there for me (I have both systems since I used to use track IR for my flight sims).
Great videos Yorkie! Stoked to see what you do :) just got into acc myself and it's bloody perfect. Just gotta find some communities for NA
TrackIR was a massive game changer in 1998...but that was ever such a long time ago.
Interesting piece of kit. I race in VR, but in the summer it gets so hot in my little office that I tend to put it down for a few months and go back to 2D racing. This might be the 'thing' I'm looking for to bridge that gap. Thanks for the information.
Ha, i always thought you mentioned something called TrackEye and assumed it was a cam you wear on your head looking back that could identify eyes and track the movement of them. This is a pretty cool piece of kit tho.
Tobii eye tracker sounds very much like what you're talking about there. Could be me with my pronunciation with words though lol.
why my track ir 5 do not work in Assetto corsa competizione..someone can explain me??
Following the original post in that thread worked for me. www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/trackir-how-to.59489/
I know everyone who watched this that doesn't have TrackIR, spent their time turning their head while keeping their eyes on the screen. Personally i don't have an issue when driving for long periods in VR so the only real upside in TrackIR for me is the level of detail you can keep.
86Themadhatter Yup. TrackIR was great before I got my first VR HMD. I feel like it probably helped condition me VR as far as motion sickness goes I have no problem, almost zero negative effects from VR. The longest stint I ever did in VR was just over an hour. As long as I have a fan on me I could probably keep going. I absolutely love VR for sim racing and can’t play any other way.
what about the price witch one is more afordable..?
Would you be willing to share your iRacong settings?
Why would I want a product in which Im constantly having to look out my peripheral instead of vr where the screen is constantly in my fov
If you've already got VR and comfortable with it across all sorts of games, then yeah, this probably isn't something for you as having that wider FOV with the screen so close to your eyes does fill your peripheral vision a lot more. If you don't have VR though and you want to be able see beyond the edges of the screen, and have the added extension of control of being able to look around without using a mouse and/or buttons, then this is suitable.
You're not having to look out your peripherals as much as people think. I only turn my head left to look at say the wing mirror or out the side of the cockpit of the car, I'm only turning my head as far as I need to to bring that onto the left side of the screen for my eyes to focus on the left side of the screen. My eyes are still comfortably looking in a direction independent of my head, as I'm not turning my head to be looking at the centre point of the monitor which would strain the eyes. With the adjustment that the software allows, you can have it say 2:1 so 45 degrees of real head movement equates to 90 degrees of in-game camera movement, or you can change it to say something like 20 or 30 degrees of head movement equates to 90 degrees of in-game camera movement. You have the freedom to adjust it to a level where it's comfortable for you.
Could you please do a tutorial on how to configure the Track IR software for various driving/racing sims such as AC and ACC please. I am having a tough time getting my settings right. Nothing I do seems to feel natural. Would love to use your settings as a starting point.
Which monitor could be better for trackir, 32:9 or 21:9?
Hi, is there a way to make this work with Xbox One?
What is the cost of the IR 5 Verse the VR thanks
Great video Yorkie!
I was on the fence between Track IR and Tobii as I didnt want VR and didn't have the room for triple monitors.
I ended going with Tobii because of a great deal on Ebay plus Tobii supports eye tracking as well as head.
In the end I honestly can't play my racing sims without it for the same reasons you mentioned in your video.
For games that only support Track IR, and not Tobii, there is a 3rd party software call TrackNoIR which allows head tracking using the Tobii hardware.
I'm hoping more and more games in the future continue to support both Track IR and Tobii as they are fantastic pieces of kits that help to immerse players into driving and flight sims.
I was researching about track IR 5 if it would be good for me or not and your video has just made me decide that I will get one in the next few weeks when i have the cash. My gaming rig is running on an old GTX 960 4GB so its not VR ready and i have a logitech G923 setup that i use for games like ATS and eventually Bus sim 21 when they make it work properly so this would be great addition to it all.
what is track at 9:30 ?
It is Long Beach.
@@Yorkie065 Great, it looks fantastic
I find mine works just as well with both the hat sensor and the sensor that clips to your headphones. I have a hat set up with it on ready to go.
Thanks for the video.
Does the magnet not damage your screen?
Delan clip is cheaper.
Nope, as the magnet is small and doesn't touch the screen. And I know it's cheaper, but I think the TrackIR is a far more aesthetically appealing and refined piece of kit.
How about posting a link to your ACC profile for TrackIR?
There is a link to my TrackIR profile on my discord server. Pop in there and go to the pinned messages in the sim-rigs and gear channel to find it.
You should have mentioned that the list of games Track IR works with is pretty small. ETS2 and Project Cars but...?
www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/games/ ----Seems like a decent list
www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/games/
small ?..........
Hey, Matt!! Just got a Track IR based on your recommendation. Can you share the profile you use for ACC?
Awesome stuff. Yup, you can find it by joining my discord (link should be in the description), then head over to the sim rigs and gear channel. It's in a pinned message in there. Hope you enjoy it
Can you share your settings please
Check the video description for the link to my discord. I have my profile pinned in a message in the SimRigsAndGear room on there
Does anyone know of any UK dealers with stock of these at the moment?
rcsimulations.co.uk
Think they have stock of the version without the track clip Pro at the moment. Can recommend the site though, it's where I brought my TiR5 years ago.
Recommended vr for xp11 ?
Is there some similar piece of tech for console players???
I have Valve Index and TrackIR 5. Last Saturday I've done 2 hour non stop session playing ACC in VR and had no sickness, no problems whatsoever. Even the heat VR produces, I've got used to it. I am also much better driver when I am using VR so ACC is set up for it now. BUT I miss image clarity which I get with my 55 inch 4k TV... With TrackIR 5 I can still enjoy beautiful graphics and in VR graphics is meh.
what degree of Fov were you using in ACC with trackir?
I feel stupid for asking ... But I think I'm understanding that your eyes are fixed on the screen and you turn your head. So "looking left" = turning head left, but looking out of the corner of your eye to the screen? It seems like this would in and of itself introduce some kind of motion sickness. Isn't it weird to not be looking "straight"?
So they are, but it's not 1 to 1 in terms of real head movement and what is done in-game. It's exagerated so that about 5-10° of head movement will do a good 30-40° in-game. So it is easy to both look left or right and keep your eyes on the screen and I got used to it very quickly without feeling motion sick bar the first one or two times using it. I still, despite having used VR a number of times to try and get over it. I think it's because with the VR, I can't see any of my surroundings so the effect of seeing motion and bumps but not actually feeling it is made a whole lot worse. With the TrackIR, although I'm focusing on the screen, my eyes can pick up my surroundings in my peripheral vision which combats and nullifies the effect of seeing motion (within the confines of the screen) and not feeling it.
@@Yorkie065 thanks, I think I'll give this a go!
Great Video. Thanks
It has been in a box since I last flown DCS like 3-4 years ago. Might be a good time to take it out for a walk. But will try he hat clip. Never used it but the IR Clip was kind of annoying
Damn son, you need to fly again
You helped me to make a decision, so thanks a lot for your efforts on this video! Greets from Brazil!
Is this compatible with PS4?
Chris Pace or Xbox?
PC only, unfortunately.
They have no plans to adapt it to either XBox or PS4. (I asked them.)
Rick Garner bummer
Yup, unfortunately PC only.
4:18 - That's not really the reason why people get motion sick in VR. Because the camera isn't "jumping around" for the headset user, it's their own head that is moving. It's actually in accordance with their head movement, so they're not even aware of it. Looking at VR gameplay of someone else, the viewer just sees all those micro-movements we unconsciously make with our head.
The actual reason why people get motion sick in VR, is because our senses are getting conflicting 'data'. For example, the eyes see all this stuff moving, so assumes your body is in motion. But your body (or to precies, your inner ear) senses it's not moving at all. And some people senses are more aware of this then others.
I got the same in real life. If I'm in a driving car, I have to look outside to see things moving. Otherwise, if I'm trying to read something in a book or from the phone, I'll get sick, because my body detects I'm moving, but my eyes don't see that movement. As a child, I got car-sick a lot in the back of the car.
thank you for the video, what setting do you need to do within the game?
You didnt mention which VR headset you have? I feel this is a huge peice of information when comparing it to anything else, as VR headsets go from super cheap and crappy ro very expensive and awsome.
One thing I want to note is price. If price is a factor, TrackIR is a no brainer.
im thinking that this might create some weird reflexes irl lol
How so?
Maybe because still looking straight at the monitor while head turns 🤔
@@flo13boe yeah unless you have a massive wrap around monitor I don't see myself liking this. I went from a single 24in monitor to VR and I couldn't be happier. However, everyone's situation is different. Graphics will be better on a high end monitor but VR is just amazing. Although someone should be watching your kids lol. Don't jump into VR if there's no one to watch your kids
@@DanielNavas1 Use some clonozepam
@@flo13boe I actually never even thought about this throughout the video. Now it does seem very strange and makes me want to experience it to see how weird it is, lol. I have the Valve Index VR Kit though so it's not worth it. I used to get nauseous while playing Asseto Corsa but after upgrading the CPU, I don't have that problem anymore. It was an FPS problem and that will quickly make you nauseous. Other VR games like Gorn with on foot movement without teleportation make me very nauseous but I heard you have to get used to it by playing a bit more.
I always wondered what Track IR was. I will take a look at it. But does it feel similar to PC2's look to apex? Thanks for the review.
No it doesn't. You're in control of it so it feels a lot more natural and therefore the timing of it feels better.
I can use my reverb without my glasses and is all looks great.I cannot use a monitor without my glasses.Have you ever turned your head to the side then look at your monitor with glasses on?
I get it that people who spent big$ on monitors and button boxes are looking for ways to keep using them.I personally sold all that stuff.For me its VR all the way.No looking back no second thoughts.
I don't wear glasses so I hadn't even considered that, but I can see how that would be a problem. To combat that though, you can adjust the sensitivity of the head movement, so you could use less of your own head movement for more in-game camera movement so your vision of the screen wouldn't be blocked so much by the frame of your glasses as you'd turn your head less.
i love vr.. but motion sickness just kills it for me! everytime i play sim racing i can't even last 30 mins before i turn blue
VR works not with glasses, and without everything is blurry, for glasses User VR Headsets still really sucks.
Very informative! What specs pc and monitor are you using?
All that info you can find on my channels About page.
do you still setup default FOV as if you weren't using TrackIR?
Yup, pretty much. I tend to stick to about 5-6° within the FOV that an FOV calculator gives me.
I think I would look into it when I move to pc rather than vr. Only used VR twice. And for me the problem was that I wear glasses. VR didn’t feel comfy when wearing glasses and due to my eyesight I could see clearly at all when taking them off. Plus like you said in the video I’ve personally invested in other products that I use whilst racing. Plus I’m assuming this gives the range of view as you would have by using triple monitors. I don’t have the space to TrackIR 5 seems like something would suit me
This will allow you to look further left and right than triples with a fixed straight ahead view would give. The ultimate combo though would be to have both TrackIR and triples, that way you get a wider FOV with the extra peripheral vision, but then also have the ability to move the camera left and right a bit if you wanted / needed it.
You can buy prescription inserts for almost any quality hmd. IMO tir should be compared with triples or buttons. VR is on a league on its own for sim racing. Nothing else comes close. I had sickness issues with 80hz of rifts in sim racing. Higher fps are very very helpfull. IF you get sick, save money and go for 120hz index.
hey Yorkie... do you still use it? not many videos with sim racers using this it seems...
I do indeed. All the time when sim racing
@@Yorkie065 cool good to know.
TrackIR + Triple Monitors is the best combo for me so far.
ive just purchased a track IR, waiting for it to arrive but i dont really get how it can help for triple screens... i mean isnt track IR suppose to enable single monitor users to look left and right and see what triple screen users would see? how does track IR help for triple screens when even without track IR you can see much more peripheral? ill be using it on a ultrawide. thanks.
@@jinx20001 yeah, but the thing is, with triple monitors, you can have a quick glance on your side mirrors. Adding trackir, you can increase how far you can see on the side monitors with just a few extra degrees
@@SewerShark ahh i see yeh i get you, like getting that little extra view round the side and back blind spot area.
@@jinx20001 Yes, specially with the center mirror that can be cut in half by the monitor bezel.
Also added immersion factor of having that slight bit of head movement as well, so the view isn't completely 100% static.
Really like this Yorkie going to get this 👍👍👍
TRACKIR should made a rechargeable hat clip with LED for those that don't want to use the headphone clip.
Great informative video. Am currently looking on ebay now for one as the amazon link is a dead end.
Yeah, unfortunately with the current global situation as it is, hardware is more difficult to purchase with a lot of stuff being out of stock or higher in price than usual.