Academic effects of NIL. Are we really believing these nfl caliber players didn’t have their professors pass them on purpose? Are we really pretending that NFL players are “real” college graduates?
They should, but there has to be guard rails, things need to be contractual, that would've solved this guys problem, if he got his promises in written form and not just from the mouth of an assistant coach. I think pay should come directly from the school rather than shady NIL deals outside the school. Should you be able to take sponsorships? Of course. But getting recruits based off how much your boosters car dealership can pay them is weird. There has to be a more refined system.
They are suppose to get a college degree, and are suppose to be taken care of in training,food and not abusing them with drugs . and supporters not abusing the programs. Their are other Sports and athletes in College Sports
@M.B1s0n Good ol boy network losing it's grip????? Bro this network just helped get Texas and Oklahoma to change conferences. Then aided another network to get USC and UCLA to move to Big10. Then nudge Big 12 into reducing exit fees for Texas and Oklahoma, if they can find new schools to join the Big 12. That's how CU, UA, ASU, and Utah were able to the join so fast. I'd say good ol boy network has a firm grip on this sport.
@@JK-br1mu your comprehension precludes you from any higher education. Universities and colleges are not free, nor break even institutions. Their model is to turn a healthy profit by providing a piece of paper to students.
@@Drofthechalice No, everyone besides you knows colleges and universities are non-profit, including all the big football program schools involved in this discussion. The only for-profit colleges that I've ever heard of are low-budget ones on TV. Let me know if there's any other basic facts about reality you've missed in your life. Alabama, Michigan, Harvard, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, etc....all non-profit. The money they get from bball and football, after using it on those programs, is shared out to other sports programs that lose money, like women's track. Among other things.
Remember when Alabama kept getting infractions with the NCAA then Saban became the coach and they stopped getting in trouble while somehow getting way better?
People just can’t accept the fact that Saban was the best coach with the best chance of getting players to the NFL and to compete for championships. Y’all act like that man is jealous players are getting paid he has made so many millionaires in the NFL and he himself is loaded with money so why would he be jealous about the players getting paid?
@@mattbairdyou are missing the point. Saban was clearly paying kids in college and was protected by his buddy at the NCAA. The man who hired him at LSU. The moment Saban lost that comp advantage, he quit the sport.
@@Herb.streitWasRight Whatever makes you sleep better at night y’all are just sick we won all the championships and beat your favorite team by 30 every year 😭 Like I said best coach, best chance of getting to the nfl. That how he got the best players if he paid players where’s the proof?? I know for a fact he never did that and if he did he would be the first one the came after because they literally hate him. That’s why he retired, they keep changing the rules to keep him from getting the best class. So did Saban cheat or did the NCAA? You tell me cuz they’re the ones “paying” players now and it’s not going too hot.
@@Herb.streitWasRight He didn’t have to pay players. Sabans players got paid in NFL contracts. They came to Alabama to play for the best coach the best team. Simple as that. And we got a good nursing school with a lot of snow bunnies so that helps.
Seems like a college coach at the caliber in Saban still acts like money just started getting involved...Saban needs to get off his high horse and acknowledge that the NIL being out of the shadows was the bad idea
@@piy2095well no, but college/universities are about development and preparation. Not cut-throat business. The real world is supposed to happen to people after college.
@@piy2095 he's talking about the money the schools pay the players directly from fundraising/selling merch. not the money the athletes make from outside sources.....
Saban has retired and the false salty narratives continue. The lazy couch-Monday morning-don’t have a clue-love to hate-Bama cheated-I’m still upset-get my pacifier comments are the best!
Go back to Russia or china. This is America, we believe in capitalism. An adult human being has every right to pursue money for their hard work and let the free market decide how much
@@jishnujishnu1467 It's school. Not the working world. They are there for an education. Not for their career. You're an idiot if you believe that the free market wasn't being used in college before NIL. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, high school sports should pay their players too.
So it’s ok for schools like Alabama, South Carolina, OSU, Michigan, etc to have their head coaches essentially be the highest paid state employees (MILLIONS of dollars/yr) but the PLAYERS can’t get money? And the players are the ones everyone is tuning in to watch? Dude, unclutch those pearls.
@@KK-pm7ud ideally they should if they are of working age. The reality is the highschool model isn’t profitable. My school, as well as I’m guessing every other school, had to supplementally fundraise to help the athletic department. This is not the case with college athletics. Much less so with NIL, considereding it is outside money voluntarily being given to a few big name players. NIL would be non existent at the highschool level because no one is big enough to have that kind of value except for special players like Zion Williamson. If a company wants to sponsor him in ads and use his name image and likeness, his status as a highschool/college student should not inhibit that
@@brandonflan83 I believe there should be a salary cap on coaches. They should not make obscene amounts more than the professors at schools either. But the bright line is college players being paid. It's a bad precedent and something the government should revisit.
You obviously don’t know anything about this, if you don’t get that there needs to be rules. Your comment makes you look half retarded, at the very least.
So athletes play for free and coaches get multi million dollar salaries, and because the athletes get “free education”, they have to be eternally grateful to the white man basically pocketing parts of their jersey sales and refusing nike to do a sport socks collab with x player bc of the attention (the extra attention NIL brings in actually)? Got it
@@barringtonmorris90 Nick Saban understood, NIL deals, and the transfer portal made secretly paying players to come to Alabama, and have the one recruiting class every year would not work anymore.
I agree with coach Saban for the most part. No problem with players being paid but it should mostly be from marketing and brand exposure not the schools themselves paying players to go to their school. If Jalen Milroe signs a deal with Nike to be on a billboard he should be able to. Paying high school kids upwards of 500k+ so they can play for your school is ridiculous. I think there should be a base stipend for all players. The NIL and transfer portal are great ideas that are executed poorly.
So its ok for the coaches to get paid from the kids names, Nike/Adidas/Under Armor/tv deals/ticket sales but the players have to go out there and get paid by someone who isn't affiliated with the school.They don't care about these kids education. If they were so concerned about keeping this "Amateur"then the coaches would elect to not get paid or at least only get paid a college professors salary and not tale any other deals or sponsorships.
I think what Zeke is trying to say is that no one is pushing back on Saban on air. He has this giant platform that ESPN has given him and none of his colleagues are saying anything about it. Saban is clearly on the wrong side of this issue, but these colleagues don't want to rob the boat. When the Supreme Court of the US says UNANIMOUSLY that the NCAA is wrong, when they can't agree what the color of the sky is, I mean what else is there to say...
I said at least 2 years ago that men's college football and basketball are broken and as the nursery rhyme says, 'All the kings horses and all of the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again'. College football is not 'college football'. It is semi pro. Once NIL money came into existence, it was inevitable that chaos and corruption would soon follow. Personally, I don't care. I always thought college was for learning, not football. In my opinion, education in America is heading down and that is regrettable.
Pay for play? Exactly. If you have a job, and being a college athlete is a job, if you aren't getting paid foe your work then are you going to just keep working or quit? There's probably things to smooth out, but schools have been making money off the players for decades, but now the bill is due so they better get used to paying up or missing out.
You do know that money generated by football, allows lot's of schools to have and operate athletic programs in other sports right? All the coaches, staff, scholarships, university employees, for track and field, women's volleyball, rowing, women's softball, baseball, wrestling, lacrosse, practically all the Olympic sports, swimming, gymnastics, diving, hockey, tennis, water polo, etc etc etc. It's not like colleges are just pocketing the money and buying every Board of Trustees new Bentleys and houses each year.
It would have been someone else. Everyone remembers Maurice Clarett for challenging the NFL draft process. But many players lost their eligibility by assuming he would win the legal battle. I remember Mike WIlliams, a receiver for USC, declaring to enter the draft early. Any players that did (early) lost their college eligibility as that entailed hiring an agent. Even now other players have decided to redshirt. We have a player at USC that did the same thing, but not due to money. But potentially behind the scenes it is money pulling him somewhere else.
But the guy does not seem too bright. First he does not get it in writing, which is kinda silly, because they could just say they never promised him anything. A verbal contract is just as good as a written contract, but you need proof of the verbal agreement. In this case they actually admitted he was given an agreement, just not by a person with authority to do so.. So that redeems him a bit. But what makes him look worse is they claim they offered him 3 thousand per week for a year to fix the problem, and he turned it down. So he claims the original offer was for 100 thousand, they claim they offered him 3 thousand a week for a year, which is 156 thousand, and he still left. Makes me think he just wanted a lump sum, just to have 100 thousand in his hands. Makes no sense. Him complaining could have gotten him over 50% more money than he was originally offered, and he still left. So either he just wanted the lump sum, or something else is going on.
Of course Saban hates NIL. He was able to stay way ahead of the curve and only compete with a couple of schools who had super deep pockets like Bama. Now, the playing field has been leveled. Saban knew he didn’t have a big advantage and because of that he retired.
lol, it’s been play for pay for decades. What happens if Saban got offered a measly 1 mil a year, think he’d be at Bama? Then all his wonderful students would be where he’s at to have a chance at a lucrative NFL career. It’s even pay to play at some high schools. Get over it, those kids playing for the experience are at schools like Cal, Ivy League, army, navy etc. It’s been that way for ions, it’s only now out in the open.
The day coaches starting making millions of dollars to coach and making more money than the university president is the day college spots got in trouble. You cannot mix money with an academic environment.
Many states have max laws about how much a coach can be paid…in Wv for instance it’s just a couple hundred thousand bucks..the donors step up and pay these prices..the donors are paying NIL ..folks who don’t understand how money works are just blindly commenting about this..Pat McFee donated 2Mil to the CRT for WVU NIL. Sports fans are just really uninformed because they listen to Rich and Dan and SA…the talking heads are making a mess out of this..
Yall socialists?? If you have something you like to watch and they can make money then let them make money. But don't get it confused. Colleges have been ripping people off with poor degrees for years. At least watching football we get what we expect and when we want it
Good for Sluka. Truth is, the way he played in those 3 games at D1 probably made him a lot of money. Somebody will pony up a lot more than $100k to bring him in now anyway.
Kid can’t throw and isn’t consistent. He is also a bonehead and not a team guy. Good riddance. UNLV probably made it verbal because they weren’t sure about his character and coach-ability. He plays instinct hero ball. He is not a team player
Its a bit confusing cuz a booster rep literally tried to give him $100K that week, and he/school said nope..... Also UNLV doesnt appear to have needed him. Absolutely destroyed Fresno State, and it was in large part because of their defense.
Lesson here, if it’s not in writing it didn’t happen, that’s business 101. You simply can’t go on somebody’s word when it involves big money. The excessive amount of transfers definitely needs to be addressed soon.
@@garydagg9112 I understand that verbal contracts exist but you would think someone would get an agreement that involves a large amount of money in writing to be on the safe side and hopefully avoid any nonsense. People are known to breach or not honor the terms of written contracts so you’re definitely taking a huge risk with verbal contracts because you have to prove your agreement with witnesses and written evidence anyway.
I think the OC just realized Sluka was not a good fit for the offensive system they are trying to establish. Watch the past games again and see how much Sluka was chewed out for not making the correct reads and decisions. He just wanted to play hero run ball.
@@jamesharden1122Bruh, every contract is complete after you sign it. Now if you wanna negotiate better terms, then I understand that, but how it's setup now, a scholarship is the contract, and NIL is up to the player. If schools get involved with pay, then NIL would not exist, because the school would own the rights to the player.
All the greed from tv revenue just trickled its way down until players getting paid couldn't be downplayed anymore. The problem is that it's college and the whole purpose of college is academics. The only thing preventing a minor league in football right now is that the universities already have the infrastructure in place. Minor league football is coming, though. The money is just too great to stop it.
NIL and the transfer portal are hurting the future of many of these college athletes. 98% of college athletes will not turn professional. As a result, the 4-year degree is the most impactful benefit they can receive from playing college sports. The 2 changes has drastically reduced the chances athletes are going to graduate because 18 and 19 year olds are prioritizing instant money over long term gains.
Do these entitled, egocentric "students" even go to class? It is so ridiculous when a player has been playing ball for 3 different schools in 3 years. Such a joke.
Universities put these kids in courses that are gimmes just to keep them eligible to play. There are not students there athletes that generate income for addition and improvements of all of the actual academic facilities, so all the other students can enjoy a more enjoyable higher learning experience at their said school. If you haven't understood that as a fundamental truth then you're obviously very naive, and have head your head buried in the proverbial sand for a long time now.
Saban is mad because the NIL evened the playing field for the other schools. Before, he could monopolize the recruiting. But after NIL he couldn’t get the big time players. And he wasn’t dominant
In the three seasons he was a coach after NIL went into effect he had two #1 and a #2 recruiting class. Made two playoffs and went to a national championship game. He wasn't exactly struggling.
NIL did not impact Saban at all. His team was literally playing for championships when NIL was introduced. they were a game away from making the National Championship game LAST season...
Because it’s not an actual education. They give the kids easy filler classes to keep them eligible and so they don’t have to actually dedicate time to anything else but football. They’ve been paying players for decades under the table but are upset since now that it’s public the kids can actually hire agents to get what they’re worth
there is nothing illegal for a pay for play approach to college football - that is legal thanks to the Supreme Court agreeing that the NCAA was illegally using its monopolistic power to force a horizontal price-fixing scheme in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act - free markets should always be legal
@@tedglasgow6024 uh.... yes they are paid - Tennessee's QB Nico is receiving $8 million - and when the NCAA threatened to sanction Tennessee, the state's attorney general stepped in, filed a federal lawsuit, and won an injunction that barred the NCAA from doing anything that would serve to hinder a school's ability to pay the payers, with or without a 3rd party NIL collectives - read the case law before you assert things that can be so easily proven to be incorrect it's worth noting that the even though the state of Virginia joined Tennessee in the lawsuit, they chose to file the suit in Tennessee, which is in the Sixth Circuit (which included Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and Michigan) - do you think that was by accident or by design?
If an athlete is induced to commit to a school based on misrepresentations and lies he or she has every right to withdraw from the school that instant. To compel a kid to do otherwise is rewarding the coaches and school that cheated a student athlete.
Nick Saban is the last person that should comment on pay to play. He paid players and family members for years while recruiting for Alabama. He brought Tua and 40 members of his family from Hawaii to Alabama and gave them jobs when they got there. But make no mistake, every college football program has been paying students under the table via boosters since the 1960's. Money and NIL will ruin college football. So will the transfer portal. But sadly there is no going back.
Pay for play had been going on for years before NIL. Now, it cost more than a charger and an apartment. As long as it was coaches going from team to team making millions, it was cool, now its out of hand when players do it?
I'm with Saban on this one. There's NIL and there's pay for play. To stop pay for play you do need a money sharing program where players can get paid but not as employees of course.
Nil and the ability for players to transfer helps create more parity. It's like 10 schools they get all the four and five-star recruits and everybody else gets stuck looking stupid.
The NIL wasn't to help a few superstars make money. It was put in place to make legal a system that has been going on for decades and to protect the rich people that fund those programs. The people passing it only cared about that. Didn't think or care about anyone or anything else.
@@HeinzFugenstie the border, tax system, postal service, law enforcement, congressional procedure, national debt, social security, Saturday morning cartoons, pharmaceutical industry, health care, the list goes on.
People missing the point. Players get paid? Sure! But there needs to be guardrails like an actual job. No opt outs, limit transfers, there mostly fixed.
And the financial demands he asked for according to inside sources, is that his agent told him to request 300k after the two big wins. The university said no then he bailed.
This. Idk why everyone is running with Slukas story when it has been shown to be false. There was 0 email, texts, communication to UNLV collective or program until UNLV was 3-0. Then suddenly it was pay me this 100k a coach promised me 8 months ago or I walk. And UNLVs coach called the bluff and said no. But UNLV ia getting slammed when they've SHOWN RECEIPTS that Slukas story is false.
This. Idk why everyone is running with Slukas story when it has been shown to be false. There was 0 email, texts, communication to UNLV collective or program until UNLV was 3-0. Then suddenly it was pay me this 100k a coach promised me 8 months ago or I walk. And UNLVs coach called the bluff and said no. But UNLV ia getting slammed when they've SHOWN RECEIPTS that Slukas story is false.
Couldn't this be like a set amount, say the school will pay a yearly amount???, for example X amount to 1st string QB and 1st string OL etc and X amount for 2nd string and so on and so on, and then if you become Uber popular your NIL kicks in from Jersey sales and whatever else NIL consist of.
When Eric Dickerson got a car for playing at SMU under the former Southwest Conference, SMU got a 2 Year Death penalty. Players can get $1,000,000 a year and no big deal. NIL will ruin College Football. What about the Offensive line no one talks about, They don't get NIL deals or the Field Goal Kickers. It should be about a school paying a Stipend that is the same amount for everyone, and every Team. The Big Team will win more games with one big Conference, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, ect. and Kentucky, Iowa, Texas State, Mississippi, Missouri, and other non Blue Bloods will never be relivent. We are seeing the Distruction of a great institution and it will never be the same
It is a job. Pay the players like any other job. Minimum wage rules should apply. Breach of contract claims should be available. Unemployment insurance should be available when someone loses their job. It really is not complicated.
I knew paying players was gonna be a horrible idea. It never addressed the MAIN issue. Sure, the Caleb Williamses will get paid. But what about that guard with no NFL prospects? I feel like the entire TEAM should get a cut and then pay the players accordingly. I would have no idea what they would be earning. For simplicity purposes I'm gonna use small numbers. Let's say if you're a starter you earn 100 a game. Backups get like 75 and the rest of the team gets 50. At least that way all those student athletes aren't starving at school or whatever.
So pay to play is bad but pay to coach, pay to broadcast, pay to subscribe, pay to advertise, pay per view and pay to watch is all good. If players shouldn't be paid then no ticket fee, free games online and no advertising. Everyone makes money from " Student Athletes" but hates to pay them a dime.
Should have given all athletes a certain amount and same amount years ago. No negotiation and no transfers. Keep it on a level of recruiting and be done with it. Make college football for the fans and players. I hate this new system.
It's been verified that after he won three games, his parents went out to get a sleazeball agent, and then all of a sudden, the story is that he was offered supposedly $100,000. I think the kid and the parents are lying.
Whatever happened to work hard and then you get paid for your work ethic? We need to go back to that. Hard work equals reward not reward then slack off.
If 75% of student athletes were actually graduating especially out of football we're not having this conversation because they would change the entire structure. They do not want a whole bunch of black student athletes graduating with high-level degrees. They never wanted that. The system was never designed for any of that to happen.
I'm sick and tired of hearing these players aren't getting anything for their efforts. And if they get hurt they have lost their career. That's what the degree is for! Accepting a scholarship is a contract. If they leave for the NFL before they graduate they should have to pay back the used portion of their scholarship/contract out of their rookie deal.
We all agree the players should get paid but there has to be a better way than this it needs to be put in writing & that's not NIL it's just a player who says he was promised something it's supposed to be NIL money off your name
Pay for play - every university has the football staff being the highest paid employees. It is absolutely ridiculous. Football should be separated from colleges and be a separate mini -league with semi professional players. Let colleges be focused on what they should be doing.
Put the money bs aside. These guys are in the prime physical condition of their lives and they are squandering it for money. You can make plenty of money in your life, you can't get your youth back.
Look i dont have any problem with nil but schools using it as a recruiting tactic is just insane. Yes i get it some colleges may have done it but come on? Your going to go to a different college because they pay more and not based on them turning you into a solid “FOOTBALL player” or just growth on personal development.
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Coach Saban is the only person to mention the academic effects of NIL. It is the most important factor and often neglected. It's sad.
Dabo.
Academic effects of NIL. Are we really believing these nfl caliber players didn’t have their professors pass them on purpose? Are we really pretending that NFL players are “real” college graduates?
Pay to coach; pay to play; pay to broadcast; pay to watch; pay to advertise! PAY! PAY! PAY! The players should get paid!
Exactly!!
good ol' boi network losing its grip, and they don't like it.
They should, but there has to be guard rails, things need to be contractual, that would've solved this guys problem, if he got his promises in written form and not just from the mouth of an assistant coach. I think pay should come directly from the school rather than shady NIL deals outside the school. Should you be able to take sponsorships? Of course. But getting recruits based off how much your boosters car dealership can pay them is weird. There has to be a more refined system.
They are suppose to get a college degree, and are suppose to be taken care of in training,food and not abusing them with drugs . and supporters not abusing the programs. Their are other Sports and athletes in College Sports
@M.B1s0n Good ol boy network losing it's grip????? Bro this network just helped get Texas and Oklahoma to change conferences. Then aided another network to get USC and UCLA to move to Big10. Then nudge Big 12 into reducing exit fees for Texas and Oklahoma, if they can find new schools to join the Big 12. That's how CU, UA, ASU, and Utah were able to the join so fast. I'd say good ol boy network has a firm grip on this sport.
NCAA FOOTBALL HAS BEEN PLAY FOR PAY FOR A LONG TIME VERY LONG TIME
Not like this
@@paleo704 eat they're mad cause now the smaller teams are doin it
Another example that colleges and universities are for profit first and foremost regardless if sports are involved.
I don't think you actually listened to the discussion.
No, they're non-profit. Any other dumb ideas?
@@JK-br1mu your comprehension precludes you from any higher education. Universities and colleges are not free, nor break even institutions. Their model is to turn a healthy profit by providing a piece of paper to students.
@@Drofthechalice No, everyone besides you knows colleges and universities are non-profit, including all the big football program schools involved in this discussion.
The only for-profit colleges that I've ever heard of are low-budget ones on TV.
Let me know if there's any other basic facts about reality you've missed in your life.
Alabama, Michigan, Harvard, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, etc....all non-profit. The money they get from bball and football, after using it on those programs, is shared out to other sports programs that lose money, like women's track. Among other things.
OH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE JUST NOW REALIZING?? Thanks for your input Einstein..👎👎👎
Facts. Tim Tebow called it years ago.
Tebow was wrong then and he’s wrong now.
@@MrFooliofocker How? he was right then and he is right now`?
Remember when Alabama kept getting infractions with the NCAA then Saban became the coach and they stopped getting in trouble while somehow getting way better?
People just can’t accept the fact that Saban was the best coach with the best chance of getting players to the NFL and to compete for championships. Y’all act like that man is jealous players are getting paid he has made so many millionaires in the NFL and he himself is loaded with money so why would he be jealous about the players getting paid?
@@mattbairdyou are missing the point. Saban was clearly paying kids in college and was protected by his buddy at the NCAA. The man who hired him at LSU. The moment Saban lost that comp advantage, he quit the sport.
@@Herb.streitWasRight Whatever makes you sleep better at night y’all are just sick we won all the championships and beat your favorite team by 30 every year 😭 Like I said best coach, best chance of getting to the nfl. That how he got the best players if he paid players where’s the proof?? I know for a fact he never did that and if he did he would be the first one the came after because they literally hate him. That’s why he retired, they keep changing the rules to keep him from getting the best class. So did Saban cheat or did the NCAA? You tell me cuz they’re the ones “paying” players now and it’s not going too hot.
@@Herb.streitWasRight He didn’t have to pay players. Sabans players got paid in NFL contracts. They came to Alabama to play for the best coach the best team. Simple as that. And we got a good nursing school with a lot of snow bunnies so that helps.
@@mattbaird The fact you're this gullible is hilarious. So those Alabama players just happened to be driving nice cars based on charity?
Seems to me that a college student an UNLV would be smart enough to know that a verbal offer doesn't mean squat.
well sucks for unlv couldnt pay up
His agent should have known and got it in written. I like how no one is blaming his agent.
In Nevada there's actually a law about that type of stuff
Seems like a college coach at the caliber in Saban still acts like money just started getting involved...Saban needs to get off his high horse and acknowledge that the NIL being out of the shadows was the bad idea
@@joem5002 lazy take, just try to think about this for 2 seconds lol. Why pay for extortion you didn't agree to?
I think what he said makes sense. Share the revenue amongst the team while the players with the bigger names can go out and get deals.
@@piy2095 taxes
Democrats are back at it again.
@@piy2095 you know ordinary people can use write offs too.....
@@piy2095well no, but college/universities are about development and preparation. Not cut-throat business. The real world is supposed to happen to people after college.
@@piy2095 he's talking about the money the schools pay the players directly from fundraising/selling merch. not the money the athletes make from outside sources.....
NIL has turned every team into Alabama😂😂😂
Saban has retired and the false salty narratives continue. The lazy couch-Monday morning-don’t have a clue-love to hate-Bama cheated-I’m still upset-get my pacifier comments are the best!
Alabama is like the Highlander. There can be only 1. RTR 🐘🐘🐘
@@chillxxx241 Yeah well NIL can’t buy you a championship still gotta play good.
NIL never should have been allowed. These aren't professional athletes and they are in college to learn. It's ridiculous.
Go back to Russia or china. This is America, we believe in capitalism. An adult human being has every right to pursue money for their hard work and let the free market decide how much
@@jishnujishnu1467 It's school. Not the working world. They are there for an education. Not for their career. You're an idiot if you believe that the free market wasn't being used in college before NIL. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, high school sports should pay their players too.
So it’s ok for schools like Alabama, South Carolina, OSU, Michigan, etc to have their head coaches essentially be the highest paid state employees (MILLIONS of dollars/yr) but the PLAYERS can’t get money? And the players are the ones everyone is tuning in to watch?
Dude, unclutch those pearls.
@@KK-pm7ud ideally they should if they are of working age. The reality is the highschool model isn’t profitable. My school, as well as I’m guessing every other school, had to supplementally fundraise to help the athletic department. This is not the case with college athletics. Much less so with NIL, considereding it is outside money voluntarily being given to a few big name players. NIL would be non existent at the highschool level because no one is big enough to have that kind of value except for special players like Zion Williamson. If a company wants to sponsor him in ads and use his name image and likeness, his status as a highschool/college student should not inhibit that
@@brandonflan83 I believe there should be a salary cap on coaches. They should not make obscene amounts more than the professors at schools either. But the bright line is college players being paid. It's a bad precedent and something the government should revisit.
As long as the ncaa and the programs were making millions it was fine now we need federal legislation ? 🤔
YES. So situations like this doesn't happen. That's common sense. No rules in place? Expect people to get taken advantage of on both side.
Paying 18 year olds with no regulation usually goes well and only develops responsibility young people right?
No one is forcing them to play, they have a chance to make a name for themselves and go pro college doesn’t owe them anything
You obviously don’t know anything about this, if you don’t get that there needs to be rules. Your comment makes you look half retarded, at the very least.
@@69Clay420 Players were already getting paid and every other league around the world does it. You just like exploitation.
Nick sabah made millions off his student athletes
oh really???
And?
So did every other college coach, since college football was a thing.
I@@oaktree1626if he won't coach for free would does he believe the players should play for free?
Who is Nick sabah?
Did Alabama not pay players before NIL?
All colleges did.
Donors, boosters did
@@Winterstick549So the issue now is that other teams can compete to get the best players?
Coach Saban is absolutely correct!
Of course he’s correct. He’s the Godfather.
So athletes play for free and coaches get multi million dollar salaries, and because the athletes get “free education”, they have to be eternally grateful to the white man basically pocketing parts of their jersey sales and refusing nike to do a sport socks collab with x player bc of the attention (the extra attention NIL brings in actually)? Got it
hes just mad
Always been pay to play. Saban ran a corrupt program like all Universities do.
@@joem50027 chips and a game away with NIL happening ? What’s to be mad about ?
They need to use closer microphones. Way too much ambient sound.
I believe Nick Saban was turned off from the transfer portal and NIL aka pay for play!
No doubt about it. It's like if he wanted to coach pros he would.
@@barringtonmorris90
Nick Saban understood, NIL deals, and the transfer portal made secretly paying players to come to Alabama, and have the one recruiting class every year would not work anymore.
@@adolphdooley3632exactly Alabama has been paying players for years
Um ,mighty bold of him considering HIS salary at Alabama.
I don’t blame him
I agree with coach Saban for the most part. No problem with players being paid but it should mostly be from marketing and brand exposure not the schools themselves paying players to go to their school.
If Jalen Milroe signs a deal with Nike to be on a billboard he should be able to. Paying high school kids upwards of 500k+ so they can play for your school is ridiculous. I think there should be a base stipend for all players.
The NIL and transfer portal are great ideas that are executed poorly.
So its ok for the coaches to get paid from the kids names, Nike/Adidas/Under Armor/tv deals/ticket sales but the players have to go out there and get paid by someone who isn't affiliated with the school.They don't care about these kids education. If they were so concerned about keeping this "Amateur"then the coaches would elect to not get paid or at least only get paid a college professors salary and not tale any other deals or sponsorships.
The school can facilitate a deal with their channels. UNLV has many great relationships with MGM Caesars UFC and more
Couldn't agree more
You actually think Alabama wasn't paying players to join? How then did they have top recruiting classes with everyone else paying according to Saban?
Completely agree
I hate that no one pushes back to Saban. He’s the face of the NCAA.
Fanny kissers, brown nosers, yes men, bowing to the Aflac king
Huh
Huh...
I think what Zeke is trying to say is that no one is pushing back on Saban on air. He has this giant platform that ESPN has given him and none of his colleagues are saying anything about it. Saban is clearly on the wrong side of this issue, but these colleagues don't want to rob the boat. When the Supreme Court of the US says UNANIMOUSLY that the NCAA is wrong, when they can't agree what the color of the sky is, I mean what else is there to say...
@mjcastro82 they all agree that they should be paid, but not in the current manner. They literally talked about it for 10 minutes
I said at least 2 years ago that men's college football and basketball are broken and as the nursery rhyme says, 'All the kings horses and all of the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again'. College football is not 'college football'. It is semi pro. Once NIL money came into existence, it was inevitable that chaos and corruption would soon follow. Personally, I don't care. I always thought college was for learning, not football. In my opinion, education in America is heading down and that is regrettable.
Fascinating discussion. I somehow missed this on Saturday's broadcast.
Pay for play? Exactly. If you have a job, and being a college athlete is a job, if you aren't getting paid foe your work then are you going to just keep working or quit? There's probably things to smooth out, but schools have been making money off the players for decades, but now the bill is due so they better get used to paying up or missing out.
You do know that money generated by football, allows lot's of schools to have and operate athletic programs in other sports right? All the coaches, staff, scholarships, university employees, for track and field, women's volleyball, rowing, women's softball, baseball, wrestling, lacrosse, practically all the Olympic sports, swimming, gymnastics, diving, hockey, tennis, water polo, etc etc etc.
It's not like colleges are just pocketing the money and buying every Board of Trustees new Bentleys and houses each year.
It's not a job, they don't work 8 hours a day in the off-season (and usually not even in-season) and they get a free education for it.
Evidently you are gonna take a fastball to the ribs according to the video lol
If Sluka got what he was promised, we would have never heard about it.
What was he promised?
$100k @@donaldbiden9492
It would have been someone else. Everyone remembers Maurice Clarett for challenging the NFL draft process. But many players lost their eligibility by assuming he would win the legal battle. I remember Mike WIlliams, a receiver for USC, declaring to enter the draft early. Any players that did (early) lost their college eligibility as that entailed hiring an agent.
Even now other players have decided to redshirt. We have a player at USC that did the same thing, but not due to money. But potentially behind the scenes it is money pulling him somewhere else.
Nick Sabin hates the fact that he can’t cheat anymore.
Everybody else is being paid.. why not?
But the guy does not seem too bright. First he does not get it in writing, which is kinda silly, because they could just say they never promised him anything. A verbal contract is just as good as a written contract, but you need proof of the verbal agreement. In this case they actually admitted he was given an agreement, just not by a person with authority to do so.. So that redeems him a bit. But what makes him look worse is they claim they offered him 3 thousand per week for a year to fix the problem, and he turned it down. So he claims the original offer was for 100 thousand, they claim they offered him 3 thousand a week for a year, which is 156 thousand, and he still left. Makes me think he just wanted a lump sum, just to have 100 thousand in his hands. Makes no sense. Him complaining could have gotten him over 50% more money than he was originally offered, and he still left. So either he just wanted the lump sum, or something else is going on.
@@chrisgullett4332 It was 3k a month. Not per week.
Don't think anybody is arguing to not pay players...
@@chrisgullett4332maybe he was waiting on the paper to be made
I have no point did he say players should not be paid. The words players should be paid literally came out of his mouth.
Of course Saban hates NIL. He was able to stay way ahead of the curve and only compete with a couple of schools who had super deep pockets like Bama.
Now, the playing field has been leveled. Saban knew he didn’t have a big advantage and because of that he retired.
Amen Nick Saban. One of the best coaches and understand the point of college athletics. Love it
lol, it’s been play for pay for decades. What happens if Saban got offered a measly 1 mil a year, think he’d be at Bama? Then all his wonderful students would be where he’s at to have a chance at a lucrative NFL career. It’s even pay to play at some high schools. Get over it, those kids playing for the experience are at schools like Cal, Ivy League, army, navy etc. It’s been that way for ions, it’s only now out in the open.
Agreed 👍 you are not owning car dealerships that easy 😮
Sluka better hope he gets picked up. My guess another
school had already reached out before he walked.
For what is reported he was promised,he is way under paid trust me he will get a bigger bag 💰 somewhere else.
As a former foster child everyone including the state wanted to use, I hope these kids make as much as they can in college.
The day coaches starting making millions of dollars to coach and making more money than the university president is the day college spots got in trouble. You cannot mix money with an academic environment.
Many states have max laws about how much a coach can be paid…in Wv for instance it’s just a couple hundred thousand bucks..the donors step up and pay these prices..the donors are paying NIL ..folks who don’t understand how money works are just blindly commenting about this..Pat McFee donated 2Mil to the CRT for WVU NIL. Sports fans are just really uninformed because they listen to Rich and Dan and SA…the talking heads are making a mess out of this..
Yall socialists?? If you have something you like to watch and they can make money then let them make money. But don't get it confused. Colleges have been ripping people off with poor degrees for years. At least watching football we get what we expect and when we want it
Yes you can. It’s Called doing it right
@@lemar012197 no it’s called corruption, it’s a waste of our tax dollars
@@therealBocaStudios they got paid off of college revenues and tv deals. That’s why profit sharing is a good idea
Good for Sluka. Truth is, the way he played in those 3 games at D1 probably made him a lot of money. Somebody will pony up a lot more than $100k to bring him in now anyway.
What. Not a chance.
Kid can’t throw and isn’t consistent. He is also a bonehead and not a team guy. Good riddance. UNLV probably made it verbal because they weren’t sure about his character and coach-ability. He plays instinct hero ball. He is not a team player
Its a bit confusing cuz a booster rep literally tried to give him $100K that week, and he/school said nope.....
Also UNLV doesnt appear to have needed him. Absolutely destroyed Fresno State, and it was in large part because of their defense.
I doubt it. It’s a reason he didn’t have a written contract.
The way he played with his 46% completion rate? Lol
Any kind of restriction has to be collectively bargained.
They need to include players as well not just the commissioners.
Lesson here, if it’s not in writing it didn’t happen, that’s business 101. You simply can’t go on somebody’s word when it involves big money. The excessive amount of transfers definitely needs to be addressed soon.
Your going to freak out when you learn what verbal contracts are
@@garydagg9112 I understand that verbal contracts exist but you would think someone would get an agreement that involves a large amount of money in writing to be on the safe side and hopefully avoid any nonsense. People are known to breach or not honor the terms of written contracts so you’re definitely taking a huge risk with verbal contracts because you have to prove your agreement with witnesses and written evidence anyway.
If it ain't in writing, it never happened.
Sluka got greedy thinking he can get more money somewhere else.....OR another school offered him money to sit out and play for them next year...
I think the OC just realized Sluka was not a good fit for the offensive system they are trying to establish. Watch the past games again and see how much Sluka was chewed out for not making the correct reads and decisions. He just wanted to play hero run ball.
@@bdub-er5090 My grandson goes there (not a player just a student) and he said the coach doesn't like Sluka, nobody likes him.
The NCAA needs to figure out some way to get these players on 1 year contracts. Otherwise it will continue to be the wild west.
An athletic scholarship is a one year contract. It covers books room and board in exchange for performance.
@@bbthompson05 If the "NIL" money aint in the contract, that aint a contract, that is an incomplete contract.
@@jamesharden1122Bruh, every contract is complete after you sign it. Now if you wanna negotiate better terms, then I understand that, but how it's setup now, a scholarship is the contract, and NIL is up to the player. If schools get involved with pay, then NIL would not exist, because the school would own the rights to the player.
Excellent discussion
All the greed from tv revenue just trickled its way down until players getting paid couldn't be downplayed anymore. The problem is that it's college and the whole purpose of college is academics. The only thing preventing a minor league in football right now is that the universities already have the infrastructure in place. Minor league football is coming, though. The money is just too great to stop it.
The jellyroll song sucks and I'm tired of pretending like he doesn't suck too.
He’s alright. He just has one of those “comeback” stories.
He does a have a few bangers, but I’ll admit he’s a little overrated m.
😂 why you hating on jelly roll
Jelly is awesome how can anyone dislike him even if you don’t like his music?
This is so true coach is right
Saban wasn't complaining when he was jumping in and out the coaches portal
NIL and the transfer portal are hurting the future of many of these college athletes. 98% of college athletes will not turn professional. As a result, the 4-year degree is the most impactful benefit they can receive from playing college sports. The 2 changes has drastically reduced the chances athletes are going to graduate because 18 and 19 year olds are prioritizing instant money over long term gains.
Saban for commissioner of college football !!!!
Do these entitled, egocentric "students" even go to class? It is so ridiculous when a player has been playing ball for 3 different schools in 3 years. Such a joke.
It was fine when everyone was making money off the players huh?😂
@@SaxmanR3players got paid. Not only under the table but tuition, food, room/board, gear, travel, tutors etc.
Universities put these kids in courses that are gimmes just to keep them eligible to play. There are not students there athletes that generate income for addition and improvements of all of the actual academic facilities, so all the other students can enjoy a more enjoyable higher learning experience at their said school. If you haven't understood that as a fundamental truth then you're obviously very naive, and have head your head buried in the proverbial sand for a long time now.
You are not their parents. You could care less about teaching them anything.
They literally teach them football so they care about teaching them something
he needs to like just retire buddy made millions off the kids now mad they are getting aid if they bring in revenue?
Saban is mad because the NIL evened the playing field for the other schools. Before, he could monopolize the recruiting. But after NIL he couldn’t get the big time players. And he wasn’t dominant
It hasn’t evened out anything. The same schools dominating today were the same schools dominating a decade ago. Besides Texas.
In the three seasons he was a coach after NIL went into effect he had two #1 and a #2 recruiting class. Made two playoffs and went to a national championship game. He wasn't exactly struggling.
NIL did not impact Saban at all. His team was literally playing for championships when NIL was introduced. they were a game away from making the National Championship game LAST season...
Alabama has deep pockets, Saban could of got the players he wanted 💰
Saban still living rent free in some people's heads.. 😅.
A free education isn’t good enough anymore? That’s pretty sad
Because it’s not an actual education. They give the kids easy filler classes to keep them eligible and so they don’t have to actually dedicate time to anything else but football. They’ve been paying players for decades under the table but are upset since now that it’s public the kids can actually hire agents to get what they’re worth
bro really just took their word for it 🤣🤣
4:07 Nick Saban as NCAA commissioner would be legendary.
he could put his resume next to anybody
The fact is, he's been paying players since LSU
there is nothing illegal for a pay for play approach to college football - that is legal thanks to the Supreme Court agreeing that the NCAA was illegally using its monopolistic power to force a horizontal price-fixing scheme in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act - free markets should always be legal
Players are not payed, yet. They are allowed to earn money on their Name, Image, & Likeness though. 🤔🤷🏼♂️
@@tedglasgow6024 uh.... yes they are paid -
Tennessee's QB Nico is receiving $8 million - and when the NCAA threatened to sanction Tennessee, the state's attorney general stepped in, filed a federal lawsuit, and won an injunction that barred the NCAA from doing anything that would serve to hinder a school's ability to pay the payers, with or without a 3rd party NIL collectives - read the case law before you assert things that can be so easily proven to be incorrect
it's worth noting that the even though the state of Virginia joined Tennessee in the lawsuit, they chose to file the suit in Tennessee, which is in the Sixth Circuit (which included Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, and Michigan) - do you think that was by accident or by design?
Not just the power 4 conferences commissioners but all the commissioners in NCAA football need a vote!
NIL is the reason Nick was ready to retire
If an athlete is induced to commit to a school based on misrepresentations and lies he or she has every right to withdraw from the school that instant. To compel a kid to do otherwise is rewarding the coaches and school that cheated a student athlete.
Nick Saban is the last person that should comment on pay to play. He paid players and family members for years while recruiting for Alabama. He brought Tua and 40 members of his family from Hawaii to Alabama and gave them jobs when they got there. But make no mistake, every college football program has been paying students under the table via boosters since the 1960's. Money and NIL will ruin college football. So will the transfer portal. But sadly there is no going back.
Pay for play had been going on for years before NIL. Now, it cost more than a charger and an apartment. As long as it was coaches going from team to team making millions, it was cool, now its out of hand when players do it?
I'm with Saban on this one. There's NIL and there's pay for play. To stop pay for play you do need a money sharing program where players can get paid but not as employees of course.
Nil and the ability for players to transfer helps create more parity. It's like 10 schools they get all the four and five-star recruits and everybody else gets stuck looking stupid.
meanwhile, we have few unions in America and, therefore, no power against corporations.
The NIL wasn't to help a few superstars make money. It was put in place to make legal a system that has been going on for decades and to protect the rich people that fund those programs. The people passing it only cared about that. Didn't think or care about anyone or anything else.
I trust Kirk on this one. Saban wasn’t saying this a few years ago when he was making millions and the players were only getting stipends.
The reason why it’s a mess is because the schools/conferences don’t want to pay.
The NCAA can’t handle the responsibility so it’s a mess.
Sluka graduated from Holy Cross - where he spent 4 years - and a school that has a 98% 4yr student graduation rate.
CFB needs a complete overhaul. But keep the federal government out of it. They screw up everything they touch.
Based on what evidence
@@HeinzFugenstie the border, tax system, postal service, law enforcement, congressional procedure, national debt, social security, Saturday morning cartoons, pharmaceutical industry, health care, the list goes on.
People missing the point. Players get paid? Sure! But there needs to be guardrails like an actual job. No opt outs, limit transfers, there mostly fixed.
Saban is right
And the financial demands he asked for according to inside sources, is that his agent told him to request 300k after the two big wins. The university said no then he bailed.
This. Idk why everyone is running with Slukas story when it has been shown to be false. There was 0 email, texts, communication to UNLV collective or program until UNLV was 3-0. Then suddenly it was pay me this 100k a coach promised me 8 months ago or I walk. And UNLVs coach called the bluff and said no. But UNLV ia getting slammed when they've SHOWN RECEIPTS that Slukas story is false.
@@TheSchoolofTrading Then UNLV hangs 59 on their next opponent.🤔
Always has been. Just transparency now.
Reece davis is thee man. Love him having more of an opinion. He’s really good at it.
Coach Saban as comissioner would be an interesting idea
Nick Saban should be SEC commissioner
This. Idk why everyone is running with Slukas story when it has been shown to be false. There was 0 email, texts, communication to UNLV collective or program until UNLV was 3-0. Then suddenly it was pay me this 100k a coach promised me 8 months ago or I walk. And UNLVs coach called the bluff and said no. But UNLV ia getting slammed when they've SHOWN RECEIPTS that Slukas story is false.
Couldn't this be like a set amount, say the school will pay a yearly amount???, for example X amount to 1st string QB and 1st string OL etc and X amount for 2nd string and so on and so on, and then if you become Uber popular your NIL kicks in from Jersey sales and whatever else NIL consist of.
When Eric Dickerson got a car for playing at SMU under the former Southwest Conference, SMU got a 2 Year Death penalty. Players can get $1,000,000 a year and no big deal. NIL will ruin College Football. What about the Offensive line no one talks about, They don't get NIL deals or the Field Goal Kickers. It should be about a school paying a Stipend that is the same amount for everyone, and every Team. The Big Team will win more games with one big Conference, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, ect. and Kentucky, Iowa, Texas State, Mississippi, Missouri, and other non Blue Bloods will never be relivent. We are seeing the Distruction of a great institution and it will never be the same
It is a job. Pay the players like any other job. Minimum wage rules should apply. Breach of contract claims should be available. Unemployment insurance should be available when someone loses their job. It really is not complicated.
It's not a job. Are you going to say playing high school football is a job? This has gotten out of hand. College players should not be paid.
As it should be if your risking your living experience…
I knew paying players was gonna be a horrible idea. It never addressed the MAIN issue. Sure, the Caleb Williamses will get paid. But what about that guard with no NFL prospects?
I feel like the entire TEAM should get a cut and then pay the players accordingly. I would have no idea what they would be earning. For simplicity purposes I'm gonna use small numbers. Let's say if you're a starter you earn 100 a game. Backups get like 75 and the rest of the team gets 50. At least that way all those student athletes aren't starving at school or whatever.
Very interesting discussion!
So, what was Alabama during before NIL? Hmmm
So pay to play is bad but pay to coach, pay to broadcast, pay to subscribe, pay to advertise, pay per view and pay to watch is all good. If players shouldn't be paid then no ticket fee, free games online and no advertising. Everyone makes money from " Student Athletes" but hates to pay them a dime.
Should have given all athletes a certain amount and same amount years ago. No negotiation and no transfers. Keep it on a level of recruiting and be done with it. Make college football for the fans and players. I hate this new system.
Sluka needs to get a new agent if his agent didn't have a signed contract...
It's been verified that after he won three games, his parents went out to get a sleazeball agent, and then all of a sudden, the story is that he was offered supposedly $100,000. I think the kid and the parents are lying.
I’m not against the players getting paid but there’s gotta be guardrails on this thing. It’s like the Wild West right now
Whatever happened to work hard and then you get paid for your work ethic? We need to go back to that. Hard work equals reward not reward then slack off.
Saban as CFB commissioner, Peyton Manning as the NFL's. The sport would thrive with them 2 in the driver's seats
The current system is a mess but eventually it will sort itself out.
BUT REMEMBER.... The PLAYER said, he was offered money, by AN ASSISTANT COACH...That is no way binding...👎👎
Bro believed a verbal offer 😭 he needs to focus on school instead of football
If 75% of student athletes were actually graduating especially out of football we're not having this conversation because they would change the entire structure. They do not want a whole bunch of black student athletes graduating with high-level degrees. They never wanted that. The system was never designed for any of that to happen.
Why do they still get scholarships, they should just be athletics and pay fair wages
I'm sick and tired of hearing these players aren't getting anything for their efforts. And if they get hurt they have lost their career. That's what the degree is for! Accepting a scholarship is a contract.
If they leave for the NFL before they graduate they should have to pay back the used portion of their scholarship/contract out of their rookie deal.
Priceless. Saban complaining about pay for play when he's done it for years (but probably under the Sgt Schultz motto " I know nothing")
We all agree the players should get paid but there has to be a better way than this it needs to be put in writing & that's not NIL it's just a player who says he was promised something it's supposed to be NIL money off your name
Pretty balanced discussion. There is hope for football😅
Pay for play - every university has the football staff being the highest paid employees. It is absolutely ridiculous. Football should be separated from colleges and be a separate mini -league with semi professional players. Let colleges be focused on what they should be doing.
No you want to destroy the game with Fed. Gov't
Put the money bs aside. These guys are in the prime physical condition of their lives and they are squandering it for money. You can make plenty of money in your life, you can't get your youth back.
What?
I'm so confused by this comment? So you are saying young prime athlete's shouldn't make money???
hes been right since day 1
Look i dont have any problem with nil but schools using it as a recruiting tactic is just insane. Yes i get it some colleges may have done it but come on? Your going to go to a different college because they pay more and not based on them turning you into a solid “FOOTBALL player” or just growth on personal development.