Slay the Spire - Northernlion Plays - Episode 390 [Draw]
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Cast you vote now: Does NL finally realize the value of card draw, or does NL somehow manage to kill the boss and die simultaneously? Or does he just make a pretty picture
Nah, this is the long awaited episode where he closes and opens the curtains a lot
unless dad has actually ascended to a Speedrun the Spire god, this is Ironclad loss length.
see you boiz in 34 minutes.
You know the drill bois, avoid run length time. Pray for papa egg
Thanks for taking Philosophers stone, but i still don't think you even realized it had been buffed long ago.
20:20 looks like our egg has completely forgotten his lesson that metallisize is great. It's like he didn't even see the card.
my son, he is sick. every time Egg skips a Metallicize, a kitten cries.
tbh metallicize is pretty useless in higher Ascenion runs. You want a lot of frontload damage in the hallway fights and the card slows you down.
He has terrible sense for block archetypes
its pronounced "metastasize"
TL;DR: Run Strength 7/10, Tactics 8/10, Strategy 4/10. One trick decks get punished extremely hard in Slay the Spire, and NL's deck pretty much relied solely on Demon Form.
> NL made some good early plays with Incense Burner, although he forgot about it as the run went on.
> Statuses have been wrecking NL so far - that one 2 burn Limit Break Demon Form turn hurt.
> Accentuating strengths is less important than mitigating weaknesses. Picking something like a Hemokinesis would help to get in some early burst damage in the event that Demon Form couldn't be played.
> On a more meta note, NL needs to reread basically every enemy, since almost all of them got changed in Ascension 17.
Act 1:
- He actually looked at the map!
- Disarm is super good and destroys the Guardian.
- Anger isn't a build around card unless you can snag a Unceasing Top. I take it just to have the 0 cost 6 damage.
- Evolve's bigger utility is to counter what the enemy throws at you. Still, though, Babby Shockwave is a good pickup.
- Good thinking on the Incense Burner stalling. That'll take you a long way, Egg.
- Still don't think 5 slime is thaaaat scary. Taking damage on regular fights happens.
- Bash upgrade. It must be the Christmas season after all.
- 25-30 is a good number of cards.
- I definitely wouldn't have bought the third Shrug. Tiny House is pretty good, since it also reduces the odds of fighting on ? marks. Removing a Defend is the smart play though.
- By playing Thunderclap instead of Bash, NL gives up like 40 gold. Is he actually just ignoring Bash?
- Demon Form is a little better than Barricade for this deck mostly because he completely lacks any way to leverage that block into damage. 4 energy is necessary in a Demon Form deck.
Act 2:
- Pummel also is extremely good into Byrds, since it instantly knocks them down even on Asc 18.
- NL has no idea that Byrds have 4 flight, huh...
- Havoc+ is really good and NL should have taken that for sure. Just a chance at 0 cost Demon Form is very solid.
- I would have picked up a Metallicize there to further smoothen out the blocks, but I think NL absolutely doesn't want a Spot.
- He's focusing a little too much on this Demon Form, I think. I would rather look at upfront burst in his card takes. Also, Automaton is a perfect opportunity to time Incense Burner with.
- I wouldn't complain at all about the Seeing Red here. NL's limiting reagent is Energy, not cards.
- Limit Break here is too greedy I think - it only works after Demon Form is out and by that point the fight is essentially won. I would skip all of those rare cards, except for maybe Juggernaut? Also, if he wants to run this deck he needs Dome, since he has so many cantrips and also needs Demon Form out there.
Act 3:
- 5 energy makes that Demon Form much less painful. Also, yeah, Orb Walkers gain 5 strength a turn...
- Some absolutely wild buys in that shop. Bandage up is just exhaustible Deflect at this point, since NL's taking more than 6 damage a fight, and discarding the Dex for the Blood Potion was odd as well. I think there I would have gone with Corruption and Armaments, and seen where that would ahve gotten me (Corruption making it much, much easier to play Demon Form in regular fights)
- At this point, I think you just windmill slam the Demon Form because otherwise the deck just gets chipped down.
I've seen that you take maybe 10 mins out of your day most days for the last few weeks to describe how NL can be better. Your guides have also made me a better player too. Thank you for your diligence.
Ive also noticed you consistently analysing his runs. Got to be honest that every time its a good but still informative read. I do hope NL reads these because it has helped me a long way. Probbably would help him aswell.
You're awesome. I always read your analysis when I see it. Just letting you know I really appreciate the time you take to write these.
@UCcqzoAuGYL-P0Aw_A5AAslA The issue with Barricade in this deck is that he has no way of converting that into a win. NL isn't generating explosive amounts of block a turn which could lead to Entrench snowballing or Body Slam kills, but rather just small, consistent 10-15 block. As such, the amount of block NL's likely to save is fairly minimal. And then the second issue is that he doesn't even have Entrench or Body Slam - in order for the Barricade to be useful, he'd have to take it and then find a Body Slam or Entrench without dying (and even then would likely need many more utility cards to get it to work, and some big block like an Impervious or Power Through to kickstart the process, and an upgrade onto the Barricade to make it more reliable...) As a stand-alone build around card, typically Barricade isn't that good.
Demon Form, however, provides consistent value each turn to eventually get to a point where even basic Strikes will kill the enemy in short order, and all it asks is that you can play the card and then block while it ramps up. NL's deck is actually very well suited for this as of Act 1, what with multiple Shrug It Offs and large amounts of Weak (even AoE Weak). The issue was when he didn't take the fifth energy, making the Demon Form turn cost 10-15 rather than 5-10 at best. Demon Form is by no means an aggressive card - it costs 3 energy and does nothing the turn you play it, meaning it's actually the ultimate scaling card. Angers do fit in to a Demon Form deck, but because they provide immediate, cheap presence, not because the deck is offensive.
Lastly, you have to take the card before you see the relic. Otherwise, Snecko would be even more busted.
make more of these im learning from you
i just bought sts because of this series, thanks egg father
How can anyone of sound mind not take free feel no pain on sentries fight?
At least he realized his mistake
Do you consider him as a person of sound mind?
When The Scrambled One leans on the word "agnostic" to pre-emptively combat dissection of his questionable decisions.
20:08 - Remember a couple of videos ago when the comments were "finally he respects Metallicize"?... Now he doesn't even look at it.
32:45 - I could have lived with orichalcum or limit break, but you went with the hot take and I'm mad.
@@IBlack04 The metallicize play irked me a lot especially considering how much he loves plated armor
'It's all about the up front cost of the demon form slowing us down' *immediately skips seeing red*
That play actually made me wish he did videos with an eye tracker. I have no idea what he was looking at
@@chriswirkus286 Well he actually addresses seeing red but galaxy brains himself from picking it.
Ghostneedle1 seeing red sucks though
Great strategy advice there.... Right: he should have just crossed his fingers and wished really hard each fight that he drew up Seeing Red and Demon Form on the same turn.
@@jamma246 That's still better than not picking it
Anyone commented yet that NL doesnt seem to notice that Byrds have 4 flight stacks on this level of Ascension? He keeps getting fooled into thinking he played less attacks than he did.
excellent play with prepping the incense burner for the elite
And this is what happens when you try to build a strength deck with only one strength gaining card.
"We are gonna be going to the shop." *casually lets thief steal a bunch of gold the floor right before the shop*
Strategy to get demon strength out cheap. Discard demon form. Use havoc and boomerang for 0 cost demon form.
Take spot weakness to ramp up before hand.
Welcome back to The Spire slays Northernlion.
Under rated
"Eyyy everybody welcome back... to Northernlion plays The Bin- uhhh Slay The Spire"
sooooooo please start taking evolve and metalisize
Eggman builds the deck around
demon form proceeds then to not play it... hahaha classic
Don't get me excited for that anger deck
With Demon Form, you need sustainable defense to allow yourself to scale your strength, and that’s what your deck didn’t have. Especially in ascension 18, you can’t rush down enemies unless you have an extremely fast-scaling strength build with a fast set-up. Passing up on Spot Weakness definitely slowed your deck down, and a second Limit Break would have been good if you had a way of ensuring strength gain by the time you draw it, like Inflame or even Flex. The vulnerability pickups were smart, but overall you didn’t have enough block compared to your offense to make the deck sustainable. This was probably a 6/10 run.
P.S. Birds need 4 attacks before they fall to the ground in Ascension 17-20, it’s their “more challenging movesets and abilities”
RyeBread271 don’t bother. He’s incapable of learning
agnostic does not mean 'generally'
You know what ive been trying to get to work for me? Anger + card draw feela like a super fun deck
Oof he says that 3 minutes in xd, WELL SAME
I almost fell out of my bed when he didnt take spot weakness
It's honestly fine. He already had a win condition in demon form.
@@syren6371 yeah but its basically 2 rotations of a nonupgraded demon form that can be played repeatedly
Is NL even aware of how good feel no pain is against the Sentries
"against the non-elite version of this boss"
🤔
Inflame > Shrug
Strength build. Only takes one card that ups strength. And that card costs 3 energy. One inflame would have been enough for limit break+ to work its magic. Egg is scrambled. And that scrambled egg is dry, overdone and covered in eggshells.
Strength is just so so freaking good in general man, the egg needs to understand this.
Strength's the key to finishing Ascension with the Ironclad. Demon Form is fine, but all the other strength forms are easier to get out there, esp. with Shrugs like he had here.
Neither
Inflame > Shrug
nor
Shrug > Inflame
are true. Cards in STS don't form a totally ordered set.
Hey NL. Some stuff you might want to consider (no link with the video, just giving you some leads).
Warcry+havoc draw and play big big powers for one or even 0, even if you already have them in your hand, complete with headbutts for discarded cards
Evolve doesn't just synergise with wild strike, it also mitigates the huge amount of status sentries, slavers and slimes can put in your deck
On that note in high ascension a good exhaust engine can be very strong
Clockwork souvenir is as good as one core surge when you want to play hyper beam or biased cognition.
You're routinely sleeping on gold relics, when every time you drop the courrier is a huge opportunity. With the new membership card there is abuse potential.
Black blood is only twice as good as blood vial.
Card duplication via events or the mirror relic is very good with sac dagger and genetic algorithm.
Will you please do the dailys again???
"No luck catching those killers then?" :}
Like you had a strength deck going ... why don't you get spot weakness? It would have made your pummel and heavy blade so good.
Coming for a person who never played this game and only watches NL play, is offering that bad? I feel like it offers (heh) too much value for 0 energy, but maybe the hp cost is too high in the long run? Thanks in advance guys
Offering is amazing specially as ironclad with his natural 6hp heal so it breaks even. The issue with offering is people tend to double or triple dip and sometimes use it without needing it. Imo 1 offering is godlike just have a feast or realer to counter balance the dmg
@@frking100 The problem with offering is exactly that you just can't always afford to play it, especially on high ascension, at which point it's just a dead draw.
@@UngodlyFreak So we agree to agree?
Do the beta art jeez
I mean why build a run when you can just take shrug it off
another ironclad run bois
WAX
THESE
DRAWS
Esketit.
Oof
Upgraded armaments ibstead of shrug it off before first boss wouldve made sense to buff the average damage per turn
Then transitioning into barricade with all those and block cards and go for body slams or jugger
Also philosophers stone pairs so well with barricade archetype obviously, demonform pick makes little sense, such a risky direction to take
Demonform is stronger with anger decks and the talent card that blocks for each attack card played
Don't take Heavy Blade, it's bad. Sure you can get incredible damage with it over time, but you shouldn't need it
PASS ON SPOT WEAKNESS? WHY NL WHY?!
Strength build. Only takes one card that ups strength. That card costs three energy. How the fuck did he manage to get to ascension 18?
@@deanburts5340 you can literally watch how he got to this point, why not do just that? :^)
@@deanburts5340 Pure RNG
1:35 When you dont know how to spell a word so you just say a completely different sentence.
When is Egg going to see the value of risking more elite fights? Relics arguably define your run just as much as cards
Not in higher ascensions. Taking early Elites, or running into one of the 2 Elites on floow 3 who can just instantly kill you if you've not got an already OP deck is pretty much throwing the run. While this strat works below lvl15, after that point the whole flow of the deckbuilding changes. Especially when you include the fact at 20 you've got 2 end bosses and the Heart.
how about you get past ascension 0 and saying that again?
@@NOFORPAIN The poster above you isn't wrong but he isn't necessarily right either. NL doesn't deck build well enough to fight early elites though, so running that risk isn't worth it for him. Like he looked at and passed on Anger, and got like 3 shrugs. Elites on higher ascensions can definitely help out, guys like Jrm1ah (primarily) and Rhapsody (occasionally) do it quite frequently. You just need to know from the jump how you want to win, NL isn't experienced enough to know about win conditions like that yet.
@@devinhargrave4451 I'd argue that NL is incredibly EXPERIENCED, he just never learns anything, learns the wrong thing, 2 runs later forgets what he'd learned......
Second
DEMON FORM IS NOT A GOOD CARD
I mean it's situational but in the right run it can be good as hell.
@@SamuraiFoochs I'd say it's only good if you have 5 energy and barricade
On Asc 15+
@@azztomouth6913 I'm not sure I agree BUT you definitely need other strength gains to go with it.
Spare us years of our lives and just uninstall this game, please
Get the fuck outta here with that poor attitude
if you come to this channel expecting pro level gameplay get the fuck out.
Get outta here with that negative bs
No u
I get annoyed at NL but sit yourself down.