He Who Moans Reviews Doctor Who: The David Tennant Farewell Specials ft. FiveWhoFans
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- David Tennant is back as The Doctor, so I thought I'd revisit the last few episodes from his tenure joined by Billy, Jon & Richard from @FiveWhoFans
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Richard - 26/09/2023 19:32
Can you please include in the video description that we have singlehandedly vindicated the end of time as being a good episode also please? Thank you x
stubagful - 26/09/2023 19:53
"we have singlehandedly vindicated the end of time as a good episode. If you have anything to say about this, please direct all complaints to Richard's twitter account"
Richard - 26/09/2023 19:54
👌
stubagful - 26/09/2023 19:55
Wait remove the singlehandedly. That would imply we only have one hand between us. We have at least 8
Richard - 26/09/2023 19:56
We have, single(8)handedly vindicated...
Jon - 26/09/2023 19:59
Can we add that Jon disagrees with Richard and thinks we proved it’s issues hands down?
Richard - 26/09/2023 20:00
I don't think we should make the video description too verbose
Jon - 26/09/2023 20:02
We’re nothing if we’re not verbose, Richard xD
stubagful - 26/09/2023 20:11
"there is still disagreement on the end of time and we achieved nothing"
Richard - 26/09/2023 20:12
Can that be a caveat in small print please Stu?
stubagful - 26/09/2023 20:15
I'm just gonna transcribe this entire conversation
Richard - 26/09/2023 20:16
Horsepiss
Learned that Bernard Cribbins and his wife were married for 66 years and had a baby who died very young and couldn't have any more but Bernard enjoyed his roles in children's telly as it let him bring joy to kids and my heart...
He reminded me so much of my uncle who I was extremely close to and filled the role of father and grandfather to me. Our relationship was exactly like Wilf and Donna's, down to wandering off to the garden to talk about astronomy and Doctor Who and him being so enthusiastic and loving me and my passions. He died in 2020 from Parkinson's and it broke me and I don't know how I'm going to cope watching Wilf / Bernard's final episodes
I give End of Time a solid 8/10 purely for making Bernard Cribbins a temporary companion, literally the best thing Russel did for the specials.
Amen! The scene with the gun was emotional, and felt incredibly genuine. One of the few who could draw attention from David it seemed almost effortless.
Doesn't make it any less shit or insulting
@@DarthAzabrushInsulting? Jesus, what did this episode do to warrant that?
@@The12thDimension. The whining, cowardice and indinity of this Doctor in death is insulting as is what is done to the Doctor's ACTUAL mortal enemies the Time Lords and Rassilon above all. The Rassilon of the 5 Doctors was an idestructible techno-demigod who made 4 of the most couragous incarnations of the Doctor similtaneously shit themselves. The Rassilon in this is a toddler trying to imitate a panto villain. Also Rassilon specifically put himself into stasis and set up the game as a way of emphasising imortality is a curse not a blessing. If anything he would be desperate to die.
@DarthAzabrush I disagree with the Rassilon comment. I think Timothy Dalton gave a great performance and gave the character a real evilness unlike what we'd seen before.
Everything else is kinda valid though, fair enough.
I'm hoping the anniversary specials will basically start out as a celebratory nostalgia trip and gradually that dynamic begins to break down as the Doctor realises ' You can't go home again'.
But you can visit.
I would love that
This appeals to my love of metatext
Twin Peaks The Return?
I personally think that's exactly what we'll get, the overall message of "fuck sake move on chaps"
One of my favourite through lines of these specials is that in ‘The Next Doctor’, Jackson remarks that the Doctor has never once asked to be thanked - and makes the crowd applaud his actions.
Whereas in ‘The Waters of Mars’, after saving everyone, the Doctor asks “isn’t anyone gonna thank me?”.
The actor who played Jackson Lake carried the entire episode. Only wish the title wasn't a lie. I loved his interpretation of the doctor.
David Morrissey. I agree, he's marvellous in the role
@@StubagfulThe Next Doctor isn't one of my favourites but Morrissey absolutely lifts it and makes it enjoyable for me
@@Stubagful It feels kinda like Steven Moffat reversed the fake out 'The Next Doctor', to introduce Clara in Asylum, as a different character. Back when it was exciting to discuss and imagine.
I'm pretty sure that part of why Waters of Mars is so good is because it was cowritten by Phil Ford, who wrote all of the best episodes of Sarah-Jane Adventures.
Waters of mars is a masterpiece
A mars-terpiece
Shows these guy's are not much cop if they think no one got waters of mars was excellent
I genuinely think Waters of Mars is in the top 5 New Who episodes. It is David Tennants best performance BY FAR, it has one of the most genuinely scary monsters that wouldn’t be out of place in adult sci fi horror, a really profound emotional conflict and possibly the best ending to a new who episode.
The story where the 10th Doctor went too far... Still sticks in my mind after watching the specials years ago.
What hurts most about The End of Time is that it has THE best death of a Doctor ever with the four knocks scene…then throws it all away by having him go on a farewell tour for another 20 minutes.
And The Death of the Doctor from SJA (written by RTD) reveals that he went to see every one of his past companions, not just 10's companions
I don’t see how that ruins the scene
@@Galvatronover I’d argue it ruins it for 2 reasons. Firstly, for pacing reasons - “Wilfred, it’s my honour” is the emotional crescendo of the episode and then the Doctor just kinda…hangs around for another 20 minutes of screen time. It’s like if Matt Smith said “I’ll always remember when the Doctor was me” then went to go visit Vastra and Strax for a bit. It feels redundant. Reason 2, it undercuts the character arc. “Wilfred, it’s my honour” is him finally accepting death after trying to fight against it the whole episode. But then he un-accepts it at the end again by being terrified and saying “I don’t want to go”
@@freem8son86 to be honest, there is a case of "what you do in front of others" and "what you do alone" (in case of "I don't want to go"), so I can kind of justify in my head the "I don't wanna go" as "Wait no go back", before crashing into the wall.
But him meeting all of his Companions - yeah this was kind of dumb and done only for the sake of Emotional bit of like "Oh my god! He meets all the characters that we knew from this season run! How sad!". I fell for manipulation, but I understand why that is objectively an issue (especially if you consider extended media, where he, as an example Visited Lady Christina and asked her to help with "Guy who sells rare animals in Africa").
@@freem8son86 eh I can justifiy him wanting to do it its more of a meta thing for the audience as well besides if he regenerated right away we wouldn't have gotten that scene with him at the wedding which I enjoyed
I've just finished Twin Peaks The Return which is essentially the most anti-nostalgia thing I've ever seen.
Dale gets out of the Black Lodge but his doppelganger planned for this and puts him in another doppelganger where he's basically a confused, senile idiot for 90% of the show.
It just eerily reminded me of all these remakes where we're supposed to like what's going on because the same actor played the same character years and years ago, but ultimately it's just a senile old man that doesn't know where he is and also all the other characters just glamourise him and don't acknowledge it.
If Doctor Who pulled something like this I would be amazed
The return appeals to that misanthropic part of me where I love a show that points and laughs at its audience going "haha what you want is stupid"
@@Stubagful Isn't that basically what Greatest Show in the Galaxy is?
In the end I was pleased with the end of the giggle. I thought the main idea of Dacia return would be about nostalgia, but I wasn't. It might have come across as mean to it's eras fans.
And like you point out. The Return did it. Really well. I'm glad Russell didn't copy it.
It's funny cause the Next Doctor was my first Doctor Who episode at like age 5 or 6 and it was the reason I got into Doctor Who. So I guess it did it's job getting kids on board. It also means the Next Doctor is to blame for my existence as a Doctor Who fan which I'm not sure whether that makes it better or worse.
Tbf you probably would have gotten into it sooner or later 😜 but it does make the episode better
The Waters of Mars is easily the best episode of this run of specials, and is in serious contention for the post of best episode of post-2005 Doctor Who in my eyes. It's got one of Tennant's best performances as the Doctor, paired against a fantastic guest turn from Lindsay Duncan, there's some truly fantastic and frightening monsters, and the way the script essentially brings the Tenth Doctor's character arc to its apex is outstanding. And on top of that, the whole episode looks amazing and is just gorgeously directed - if this ends up being the last Doctor Who episode that Graeme Harper directs, then he truly went out on a high note.
As for the rest of the specials, they're honestly a real mixed bag; The Next Doctor is a dumb goofy yarn elevated by David Morrissey's performance; Planet of the Dead is a bland and inert hour of television; and The End of Time is a bloated and messy finale, albeit with some lovely character moments and very strong performances. Overall it's easily the most wildly inconsistent and uneven stretch of episodes from Davies' original run.
Waters of Mars is easily in the top 5 new who stories. Up there with the likes of Heaven Sent and Dalek.
He visited every companion ever. Can't believe he didn't realise how much time he had left once he got to Kamelion, let alone getting all the way to Rose.
And gave them all radiation poisioning. Which most likely killed Sarah Jane Smith.
Also Tegan.@@DarthAzabrush
@@sacrificiallamb4568 Yeah I get the feeling Chibnall dropped her into "Power of the Doctor" just to try and fix the whole Doctor giving her a brain tumour implication.
I don't even think he knew. Unfortunately. (Probably didn't remember her last episode, too.)@@DarthAzabrush
@@sacrificiallamb4568 The Gathering is just the sort of story Chibnall would love. Unforgiving, grim and with a legitimately alien Doctor. Something very difficult to do when writing for drippy Davison.
Weirdly enough, I actually think Waters of Mars is unironically one of the more underrated Doctor Who stories. (At least in Nu-Who)
I love how it takes to the traditional Base Under Siege formula of a typical Doctor Who story but gives it more of a Darker/Adult edge to it without being too crazy with it either. And that's before you even get into the "Time Lord Victorious" stuff near the end of the episode...
(And yes, the Water People actually did scare me as a kid ngl... Even today I love how creepy The Flood actually look in this story.)
Hear hear! 😍
Okay but with the ice warrior bit with waters of mars. Imagine a sequel(prequel) story where the Doctor is brought to Mars for like a season finale and its when the Ice Warriors were running the planet and it was perfectly fine, the story is about something completely different and then part way through everything collapses in the society because whatever caused the flood happens off screen and starts killing everyone and the Doctor knows they can't really do much to stop it because that could change things in their past so it turns into a story about trying to get back to the TARDIS safely and ends with the companion almost making it back safely and then dying to the flood brutally at the end.
I'd love another Snuggly Chibnall Time, mainly to see what all of you thought of the era. It is odd remembering the 5WF Series 11 discussions and hearing a ton of compliments about it and now fast forwarding to 2023 and hearing a ton of negatives. I'd like to know when that started and why.
Smiths tenure as the Doctor seems to have become more maligned with the fan base as the year have gone on. I’ve seen a few fans regard him as a bad doctor or at least that the era wasn’t great.
IMO it’s 11’s second season was messy plot wise and a lot of questions were set up and never satisfyingly delivered. Also his final season really isn’t great and a lot fans regarded it as nu-who’s worse until 13’s time began and that was the new thing for fans to dislike.
I think that season 5 sometimes gets lumped in with the other two because it’s part of matts era or it seeing even get mentioned by any fans apart from the Van Gohg episode. imo this is a very unfair attitude to have to that season. Season 5 is my favourite of the Moffat era and I think a big reason fan backlash during Moffats time in charge was because season 5 set the bar so high.
@@user-yf4gx9lw6c Smith gets a tough break because of the Twi-Who plot with River and the existence of Clara. Both of which aren't his fault.
One thing I found weird about the End of Time was that we wouldn't even know Timothy Dalton was Rassilon if The Doctor didn't shout "back into the time war RASSILON!".
Remember that being a "wait, what?!" Moment.
Also 45:19, after seeing the new trailer, that could be Neil Patrick Harris in that scene now.
“Who were the villains in Waters of Mars again?”
“46:35”
I'm rewatching the 10th Doctor era with a friend who has only watched 11 and part of 12th's run. And i'm really excited to see how he enjoys these specials. We're getting to them tomorrow
0:00 Intro
3:40 The Next Doctor
15:00 Planet of the Dead
21:50 The Waters of Mars
33:05 The End of Time
36:15 With the context of Series 10, I imagine the 12th Doctor forgetting which year this happened in and doing his "penguin with it's arse on fire" run to the Vault chased by a small army of Masters...
And also Sacha Dhawan
@@AlexGonzalez-gf4oz oh yeah, forgot that his incarnation of the Master also had to live through all the 'present day' events of Classic and New Who.
These group watches are always a delight!
Love these videos :) I’ve already watched the patreon vids which are great but the editing you do is so transformative thanks stu!
Waters Of Mars is hands down my favourite David Tenant story. I think I've actually watched it at least once a year since it first aired. I'm surprised it isn't more popular...
I for one and super excited for the specials to be over and done with so we can get to Ncuti’s season.
One thing about RTD's era I didn't enjoy in the long run is how every finale had to get bigger in scale and danger. This is something Moffat and Chibnall avoided for better and for worse. Parting of the Ways and Doomsday I think are pretty solid. Last of the Timelords onwards is where I feel RTD dropped the ball on endings because the scale got so big and the solutions to fixing them got comical that it zapped any drama the show was going for. If RTD can avoid that, then I'll be happier.
Lmao with the Davros discourse we are already right there Stu, the episodes haven’t even come out yet
I think “The Writer’s Tale” reveals way more about those specials than it meant to. Let’s see what happens next. If it’s awesome then we have a win.
About "Why just not write the Time Lords boring then?", I think because they're supposed to embody everything The Doctor isn't, stagnant, unadventurous, uncaring, etc., them being boring is baked into their very concept.
That said, I've heard Marc Platt's novel Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible did try to get around by going far back enough into Time Lord history to basically before they were 'Time Lords'. Helps being a novel he didn't have to worry about budget
Is that the one thst tells us that time Lords reproduce by Looms that produce fully grown adults. Despite the fact that time ladies have boobs.
Yay! I still think it would be really cool if you dug up at least some of the older reviews that got taken off of TH-cam. Even if you don't agree with them now, they're nice piece of history to look back on
I swear, as soon as the first ten seconds of the first special drops this year, fandom will immediately turn on RTD again. We're incapable of really appreciating an era as it's happening. That said, I genuinely believe he's going to be able to make the show appeal to a much wider audience again, which can only be good for the show, I'm kind of tired of all the discourse being taken up by bitter fans.
Not surprising, if RTD2 feels the same and everyone was told it'd be radically different... either way, we won't know until it's aired. But trepidation from all the audience is inevitable.
But this isn't 2005 anymore, and some were skeptical of the show being popular then. Or 2008 when they contrived to get Rose back despite how much effort went into writing her out. Then again, ratings went up. They should never have gotten rid of Rose or Tennant as that's the only thing that kept the modern era going? RTD1's era was definitely burning out quickly and redoing the same tired tropes. If it is more of the same, of course his fans will be fairly quick to criticize.
He deserves it all....
Jesus this turned out to be incredibly prescient
I was surprised that y'all weren't aware of how good Waters of Mars is. I started watching the show in 2013 or so, and even by then everyone I've talked to about the show holds this one in high regard
It’s really interesting to hear how your opinion has changed. After seeing your earlier videos it’s so refreshing to hear you talk about how good you think the waters of Mars is and (despite the fact you clearly take issue with it) certain aspects of the end of time. So many people feel the need to act like just because the Tennant era is popular, it therefore must be shit. So to hear a balanced, funny and interesting take on the specials was as fun as it was interesting.
You're right in that the timelords were probably bolted on. It was Julie Gardner who pushed for the timelords who pushed for timelords to be in End of Time Part 2 and apparently at the start it was going to be the Doctor saving one family on a spaceship
Yeah reading that part of the Writers Tale is always so frustrating, Russel is so passionate (and correct) about the smaller spaceship story being more powerful but everyone around him convinced him to do the big overblown Time Lord story
@@freem8son86 I'm mixed. Had it been my choice, I would have done the intimate, low-key send-off. But I think touching on the Timelords in at least some fashion was worth doing here in regards to 10's character. Ultimately the Doctor sacrificing himself for someone "unimportant" is still preserved.
@@thevacuumofcomments2946 I agree, while I prefer more of a Doctor Falls/Twice Upon a Time quiet and personal exit and don't even like The End of Time that much, it does fit the character and era more and still preserves the sacrifice for just one person as you say. Maybe now for his new era he can have an exit that he fully wants.
That makes it 100 times worse. The Time Lords are the Stasi of eternity. When they act openly enough to be the driving force of a story involving Gallifrey's 3rd least comptetant qualified Time Lord it needs to be for a damn good reason and giving Time Tot Ten another agnoisingly awful whining goodbye isn't one.
It's strange because I've come out of this with many thoughts and the top one at the moment is to rewatch The Aztecs alongside The Waters of Mars for their depictions of the changing of time. The Aztecs presented time as something that couldn't be changed with the Doctor trying to stop Barbara from trying, while Waters of Mars has the Doctor trying to avoid changing history before giving in and changing it. Actually I probably wanna watch a whole ton of the old historicals with that view point now
thank god 12 didn't deal with a man believing he's something he's not. i still remember "don't take ya meds!"
I think the farewell specials showed that RTD really excelled as a showrunner writing whole seasons with season long arcs rather than writing big audience Christmas special type episodes.
Everytime I remember the giant cyberman, it's immediately removed from my memory. It's like a silence.
Waters of Mars was genuinely the first episode that terrified me. I was 8 at the time but apparently I was fine with episodes like Blink, but Waters of Mars was what got to me. I was genuinely that kid that didnt want any water around me for like a week until my parents forced me to.
RTD's era definitely covered the gamut. From nerdy to cool, from adult to children, and in terms of adults from cerebral to raunchy. Just like Star Trek TNG season one! I say that not in a bad way because I like TNG season 1.
The biggest tonal whiplash from "The Next Doctor" is actually more fucked up because of how the episode treats it. When Miss Hartigan faces the Doctor as the CyberKing, she talks about him being another man "forcing himself on her in the night". The line is a bit covered by the score and sound effects. The villain is a victim of sexual assault.
For me, the tonal whiplash was at it's highest with 'Last Chrismas'. Balancing 'Alien' with Father Christmas, and existential angst about whether you were still stuck in a nightmare realm.
@@MrRjhyt It's strange how all these things shouldn't really work together but I think the episode pulls it off quite well. The elves jokes are a bit shit, but once you get used to Santa just being there everything works despite the tonal whiplash that should be there of Alien meets Santa Claus.
@lucasdolding6924 it may be better than I remember, but I still can't summon the interest to rewatch it.
The giant cyberman. THAT BLOODY GIANT CYBERMAN. Was the very first image from anything Docky Who I ever saw. On french TV, with french dub, mind you.
Well I still came back for more.
"ham sandwich"
"cheese sandwich"
"oh wow"
That is clearly the most important discussion included in this video
The Next Doctor is fine
Planet of the Dead is whatever
The Waters of Mars is amazing
The End of Time is either stupid nonsense or it’s an emotional masterpiece. There is no in between.
Whos that tall, handsome, ginger guy spitting nothing but facts about UNIT? Cos they are right, no question.
XD I honestly hope you're prepared for what people have to say to it
While I don’t fully agree that they are useless. Unit is pretty superfluous in Modern who.
Unit was great in the 70s when they we’re basically an army that the Doctor had to either work alongside or stop them from getting everybody killed.
In new who they’re mostly fan service. They are good in 3 episodes of Nu-who like poison earth and power of three where they actually do what they did in the classic series but with lmodern doctors.
In a lot of Nu-Who though amount to an incompetent group soldiers and scientists who regularly have to ask the doctor to bail them out.
@@user-yf4gx9lw6cThe point of modern era Unit was somebody with a closer level of knowledge about alien life to The Doctor that he could still butt heads with. They work well in The Sontaran Stratagem and The Poison Sky, hell even in Planet of the Dead, because that's what they're doing. I think in Moffatt's Era they align too closely with The Doctor's perspective (Although they're bloody good in The Zygon Invasion and The Zygon Inversion).
I have awoken my family from the quips and jokes added into this review!
The editing and it’s subject matter is the cake.
A surprise to be sure, but a very very very very welcome one.
Loved this video Stu. It’s hard to find something to listen to while working so I really appreciate this.
osha violating citadel
They're allowed because 12/13 times, the people who fall off the railing live.
Can you make more 8th Doctor big finish videos?
Maybe it’s because I haven’t seen enough Classic Who where the Time Lords are used to death but I always appreciate when they show up regardless of the quality of said episode.
End of Time is such a bizarre outing to watch because if feels like its two different kinds of episodes that are largely at odds with each other. There's the one made up of quiet scenes between Wilf and the Doctor discussing mortality and events in their lives which (even if you're turned off by Ten's fear of regeneration) is at least decently executed as a character piece.
And then there's one that's entirely over the top stuff with the Time Lords and the Master which feels like it goes so ambitious in its attempts to be significant, dramatic, and important as a finale that you basically become numb to it. Its a prototypical example of DW going way too big and over focused in its stakes that the actual emotional moments ultimately suffer for it.
Fans have said its not a flattering character exit for Ten, but I think much of that comes from him feeling overshadowed by all the excess plot going on around him that by the time his goodbyes and final line occur, the audience has already lost its patience at what an indulgent farewell by RTD the whole thing is. The effect of the ending cameos is just blunted by the showrunner victory lap that the Time Lords return/Master resurrection story already amounts to.
Its essentially the inverse problem of Hell Bent. That story wasted broader story potential in favor of an excuse plot revolving around a companion while End of Time moves on too quickly from good character elements involving the companion and the Doctor so it can have its Mulligan Stew story made up of important things from Tennant's run.
Did you also consider covering Tennant's non Doctor roles in Doctor Who? Just curious because I recently listened to Dalek Empire 3 where he was cast as one of the main characters... about a year before he got cast as what would become (what the casual audience would call) the New Who version of the 4th Doctor.
43:05 DINNER TIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay but every person on earth becoming the master was SO SO dumb that it went into "so bad it's WONDERFUL" territory for me
Same with me, you can't help but just join in the laughing
Rip Dreamland
Honestly The Wedding of River Song I think has a good example of how to depict "the end of time" as a concept
True, Wedding had a good depiction of it with everything happening at once and time never moving, it would have been a lot better to actually spend some time (pun unintended) in this setting, but unfortunately it had to kind of rush to the ending.
@@lucasdolding6924 really should have been a two parter, but I guess we needed a second James Corden episode.
@@CSManiac33 At the very least it needed to be extended to an hour long episode, but yeah best case scenario is we get rid of Closing Time for a two-part finale.
"I don't think it will last past 2024"... well it didn't last up to the first canonical story....
I always remember the rumour that in one of the specials the Doctor would catch a cold and regenerate into Jennifer Saunders for one peisode
and the showrunners are cowards for never doing it
Finally, a new He Who Moans on Doctor Who. It really feels like Doctor Who is getting a restart.
I'm now gonna be a nuisance and ask for a new Big Finish episode. I've never seen a Big Finish live commentary, so that could be something...
As one of those 11 year olds who loved doctor who at that time, I was dissapointed with the Next Doctor. The issue i had with the Next Doctor when I first saw it was why didn't Jackson Lake take his balloon up and save the day instead of the doctor? I thought the lesson was going to be that anyone can be the Doctor, and it feels like they didn't follow through.
I was very ill during Waters of Mars, throwing up like mad, and every time the water creatures blasted water, I chucked. And ever since my brain has associated the two, so whenever I see footage from it I feel quiet queasy
I would love to see another Snuggly Chibnall time now that his era has finished. These videos are always such a joy to watch.
5:25 it’s funny, because modern who *does* just introduce random Doctors in random episodes
Woulda been pretty cool if there had been some way to leave the conclusion more open ended to just play into the cool factor of it potentially being the Doctor
I don't usually do this ... but ... speaking as a blind person! LOL, but seriously, especially going back to the times where audio description was in it's infancy and something not every television could access, it's rather useful sometimes for characters to say what's happening. But I realise that for everyone else it can be a bit like, "Well doi! We can all see that!". ... But also, realising you're in space or in another world, that's justified for a character to say it. But a bus just disappearing is not? I just want to get these guide lines sorted out. :)
Especially seeing as he's talking to someone on the phone (i.e. someone who can't see the bus disappearing) I really don't understand the criticism...
I can't believe I've only just realised this, but the End of Time cliffhanger is Rassilon saying the Time Lords are going to return, but then a good chunk of part 2 is Rassilon trying to figure out how they're going to return. It's like a reverse Brexit, which I will call Genter
Back when these episodes were on TV I wasn't paying attention to the internet and was just casually watching, but even so I still remembered Waters of Mars, Blink... that one library episode and the fake doctor episode. Those were amazing and the only reason I remember the names of those 2 epsiodes is because thefe were reruns and for those I actually cared to remember the name of the show
This excellent video makes me think that the excitement of rtd s14 and 60 anniversary is like ecclestone etc. I've no idea what's coming but it'll be cool.
The cafe scene in end of time makes me cry.
Im feel like the fans of the RTD era are gonna be pretty dissapointed post 2023. Im not saying its gonna be bad, but those fans want a facsimile of S1-4 which they arent gonna get, because its not 2005.
Agreed
Nice to see Billy-Jon and Richard back, I love their Reviews of Deaths!
If you mean the review of death TH-cam channel that's not them
41:45, Where is Gallifrey's OSHA when you need them.
If they could pull it off, it would be great if they could have an actual surprise regeneration, without a year of media coverage. Because then they can't have it overshadow the preceding episodes like they have for most of the new series regenerations.
Im so hyped for RTDs return
I think its odd you highlighted the back and forth between The Doctor and Adelaide in that scene like its an outlier that only happens once. There are tons of instances in the RTD era of The Doctor and the supporting characters talking and listening to each other (even in the other episodes you talked about in this same video). For example when Jackson convinces the The Doctor to come for Christmas dinner, its simple but I think theres a lot of weight to the words they exchange.
Also I don't really understand the criticism of David Tennant not taking scenes seriously, isnt the entire point of being an actor on Doctor Who to take the silliest situations seriously, in his second episode hes having an argument with a Cat dressed like a Nun about human experimentation.
Russell T Davies's skill is making you take something that's really daft as seriously as possible, whilst still acknowledging its inherent daftness. That's why I love Voyage of the Damned so much.
I think they mean they miss it because the Russell era had a lot of those kind of moments and subsequent eras haven't, rather than saying it was an outlier within its era.
I think the beginning of End of Time, while it doesn't fit with The Waters of Mars's tone, it does make sense from a character perspective. The Doctor doesn't want to die. He's seeing the universe chasing him down, killing everyone around him and he's desperately trying to go back to his usual nonchalance. It's like he's in denial or having a mid-life crisis. The problem is lots of later (and upcoming) episodes seem to show the Doctor in this weak and pathetic "running away" mode like he was in Waters of Mars. That episode should have been the exception, not the rule. That's what made it work. But I feel like it's going to be a staple of RTD2.
I'm glad you have friends, Stu, to hang out with and watch Doctor Who with.
Been waiting for some good ol jolly Doctor Who content from you again, thanks for the treat
Hello! a voice from the distant past here! For at least the 60s and 70s a lot of non-fans watched and enjoyed Doctor Who. The trouble is today there is the concept of "fan service" and some fans claim ownership of the show. The BBC doesn't do fan service. I hope the season specials play to the general audience. I'm not that interested in the specials , I just feel "get on with it!" ie get on with a new Doctor and a new season.
Yeah I don't mind a little fan service but you gotta be careful.
I saw people the other day online hoping that Astrid played by Kylie Minogue would come back but voyage of the dammed is basically 16 years old now. I mean it's hard enough getting new fans without referencing things casual viewers might not remember
I think a huge problem with the 'fan service' is its literally the only reason old fans watch the new stuff. The writing isn't good enough so we want to see old enemies or returning cast to remind us of better times. Then we immediately regret wanting it when the writer butchers our favourite characters or enemies.
love your videos on doctor who, do you plan on doing Jay and Stu talk Dr Who for the new specials/series?
Personally it's specifically these specials (except the next doctor) that I always come back to, they're easily my favourite thing from the whole series. Midnight, The Ood episode, 42, and a couple others I can't remember as well. Apparently people hate 42 as well that's probably up there with the waters of mars for me.
Collab with these chaps some more mate, really fun
EXCEPT for the waters of mars! I feel like that episode got the love it rightly deserved.
I don’t mind the Next Doctor, I actually like the fact that Lake’s sense of self is destroyed halfway through because then it gives him the chance to show that his bravery doesn’t come from the title of “The Doctor” or his belief of who he is, it comes from the man himself. The kid stuff is way too short though and the big cyber man is definitely goofy. The emotional stuff though really hits I find
Damn this is so interesting to me, I've gone back to the specials multiple times they're easily my favourite part of all of Doctor Who.
idk if the planet of the dead scene where he talks about the bus missing is comparable to a chibnall "describing what we can see" motif, since here they're describing it to someone who can't actually see it at the time over the radio. Been a while since i've seen the ep though, so maybe some context is missing.
stu you should watch scavengers reign if you haven't already! scifi drama/horror (mainly body horror) w an emphasis on alien plants and creatures. lots of cool world building stuff like the guys in the garden in waters of mars without feeling bloated or like it drags or distracts from the plot. really exceeded my expectations bc when i saw the promo i thought it was going to be a ghibliesque scifi adventure type thing, and while i definitely think there's some inspiration there, the vibe and tone is very different from what i thought, in a good way
End of Time Part II is a masterpiece and Tenth's denialism and dread of death is emotional horror and cyclical closure of a character like this show has never done again. Ten ends without all the things that Nine conquered during his character growth.
In this hill i will
I remember not remembering Planet of the Dead because it was one of two NuWho episodes that Netflix for whatever reason just didn't have when I tried to re-run the series a few years after. At least I suppose nothing that might be needed for context in future episodes knocked four times during that episode or anything.
What was the other episode?
@@lucasdolding6924 I feel like it was The Christmas Carol one. Not sure. I remember it was something else very obviously missing instead of a random episode.
@@arubinojr5670 That would be a big shame if it was A Christmas Carol that was omitted. Strange they just didn’t have a couple episodes, must’ve been a reason for it.
As someone who thinks it's just a bit overrated, it's so funny hearing Whotubers wax lyrical about how Waters of Mars is the best Doctor Who story since Sliced Bread of the Daleks and two out of the four people on this rewatch haven't seen it since broadcast
49:40 I don't recall anyone taking that photo of me
oh shit FWF is back!? that's actually awesome, those guys popped my doctor who review channel cherry
its depressing but I could tell you the events of all these episode second to second and I'm not a doctor who reviewer...
I really need to look for more shows to watch... ;-;
Fun fact:
Episode 3 of primeval series 3 was broadcast directly in the same time slot where planet of the dead was on BBC, that took balls ITV
Was quite a heavy episode close to the end, I'd say primeval is more interesting to watch if you had to choose
( 19:58 ) 😂
20:54 a true fan would have said "feelings i do not understand that word" or "emotion love pride hate fear have you no emotions then?".
I would love to see the Flood return in an episode
Starting end of time like "Russell!? RUSSELL!!!!"
You learnt the meaning of kindness and compassion.
Oof, the David Tennant’s farewell parade of death
I genuinely feel like Planet of the Dead was written by an AI.