ALT ARTS: The Dark Future Ahead... 📉
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- The Dark Side Of Alt Arts, Whats To Come?
What Is The END GAME for Pokemon Alt Arts? Is there a more dark future for these products?
Over the years, Pokemon Alt Arts have risen exponentially in value, and while we are in a booming market, what will happen when the tide shifts? Like anything in life, things move in cycles, and right now, we are in a positive one.
How will these amazing Alt Arts perform when the chips are against them?
What does the future hold for Pokemon Alt Arts?
VIDEO CHAPTERS ⏱️:
00:00 What Is The End Game?
0:25 Will Modern Pokemon Grow Like Vintage?
1:15 Why Vintage Pokemon Became Expensive.
2:10 The Mindset Of Today's Collector
3:20 Are Investors Thinking Ahead?
5:01 The History Of Pokemon Popularity
6:20 Life Circumstances Change
7:30 Pokemon Alt Art Prices
8:45 What Will Happen In 10 Years?
9:40 The Tide Will Turn
10:55 My Experiences As A Collector
12:12 Pokemon Needs To Diversify
12:50 The Future For Pokemon?
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Pokémon needs to make a fire ass game and movie
it's going to happen for sure
I tend to be a silent observer on TH-cam but just wanted to say that I really appreciate your content and perspective on the Pokemon TCG because of your marketing background. You’re so concise with your thoughts, have insights I’m not hearing on other channels, and I always look forward to your videos when they pop up onto my homepage. Keep up what you’re doing, I hope more people start to follow you!
I agree 👍 💯
I appreciate that man. That’s some awesome words to hear. 👏
People who own these cards will not be letting them go for much less than they paid, and the whales in the hobby that have the majority of the cards/sealed stock know exactly what they are doing….Pokemon will only grow. Imagine being a 11 year old and seeing that umbreon, and one day having the funds to purchase your dream card as a kid…the cycle continues…
I really appreciate your vids and how you look at it from a straight market value and volatility standpoint as opposed too scaring or pressuring collectors/investors like me into FOMO situations!! Keep it up and love when I get notifications saying you posted a new vid!
I appreciate that. It’s awesome to hear you enjoyed the video!
Great vid as always. I feel your pain in trying to pull Cinderella.. she also continues to evade me..
woop woop another great video!
I'm a bit scared to hold my 151 masterset. I hope it doesn't crash and i hope your having a good day!
Wow didn’t know you had that. Awesome piece to have!
The Pokémon market is not really like the past market. Tcg as a whole has attracted a whole new investor market. People now are buying up cases , the past were just players.
Love watching your videos every week! Keep it up man!
I’ve watched a few of your videos and I like the way you think. You step out of the daily minutiae of the hobby and look at the big picture. I can only watch so many videos purely about “mooning” and alt art price updates before I get bored. Subscribed and please keep the quality content coming!
What an awesome comment. I love this feedback thanks so much. 🙏
@@phillips.collectibles of course, it’s well deserved! It gets me excited about the hobby and even makes me want to start my own channel.
Keep up the good work. Started watching your videos almost straight from the beginning. Don’t remember how I discovered your channel but your content is such a fresh breath of air compared to the more established channels. Your channel is growing quickly for a reason. I don’t comment much and I don’t want no promo card from you. Just thought I’d tag on to what other people have said.
I really appreciate this! You’re a legend thanks for watching. 🙏
Great video, interesting take as well as topic. Like your videos and professionalism. Also, the time stamps. You should have more subs than 2K. Keep up the awesome content!
I appreciate that! Thanks for the kind words 👏
I love when that google trends graphs pops up! I love your perspective on the alt arts. Since I found your channel and learning a lot from these videos, I have been looking forward to big landmarks in Pokemon. I think that the 30 year anniversary is the big one to look for. I love these videos they are amazing and very well put man!
Awesome! Thank you! Yeah 30 year is the big one get ready for that!
Gearing up for a card show next weekend, im gunna try unloading everything.
I'm making a video about this soon. May be a good time.
The difference between vintage and modern is just what you said, the old holos were common but rare today but the fact that it is 1/1000s of packs to get one card is gonna make these cards insanely valued in the future
Most certainly, they have become very scarce
Yeah but it doesn't matter if they're hard to pull when there's so many more boxes being printed.
The first thing they will teach you in economics class is observe long term trends. Draw a linear line from 1999 to 2024. Trend is clear.
Yes, what's the trend?
Did they teach you about bubbles?
There are people uncertain of buying gold and silver, yet you seem pretty convinced paper is the way.
"Never marry your bags."
You can't rely on trends in collectibles because there's no underlying cash flows.
@@monkey39128 A pre-requisite to economics class is understanding what money is. The principals of economics are not exclusive to companies. The price is determined by the demand.
Hey! Great video again. Just wondering if when you convert to usd could you also convert to GBP? No worries if not 😃
This is definitely an interesting take. It’s very true though with anything that’s collectible people come into the hobby and eventually they leave and at times they leave all together. I love playing the tcg and I now go to my local LGS to play with others. If Pokemon pushes the TCG harder they will definitely have a larger fan base that wants to open packs to play as well as collect. I agree with everything you said 100%.
Do you know a good place to buy graded yugioh cards? I feel like they are so hard to find...I want to collect psa10s of the Madolche cards but its like they dont even exist on this planet. Ive never gotten a card graded before but im almost considering just buying a ton of raw and trying to get it myself lmao
Man Yugioh cards grade PSA 10 rarely. They’re hard to get in PSA 10!
@@phillips.collectibles Why do they grade 10 so rarely?
Demand drives prices. There is demand currently because of the lacklustre sets of S&V for those people who came in during Covid who are still hot on Pokemon.
I have a red eyes black dragon holo from when I was a kid that I kept score of a game I played on the back of it with a marker it's hard to look at but I keep it around
Haha don’t feel bad, we all did!
Remembering pulling a Monster Reborn or Mirror Force and just adding it to the deck! Hahaha
Looking forward to see how the upcoming ptcg pocket game play into the market
I am very excited to see this!
Don’t forget a couple months ago alt arts were really undervalued that was the time to buy
Yes this is true!
I'm still going to collect Vintage .
pokemon tcg is fire. its so much more an interactive game than yugioh and magic. homies play solitare when they play yugioh nowadays.
The game is a coin flip now. Pretty much whoever goes first wins!
Saw a guy selling an alt art G-Moltres on marketplace for $70. Obviously for that price it's condition is more for a binder, but seeing all these cards sky-rocket is still tempting me to get it. On the other end of the spectrum, I just had a vmax Sylveon alt get a 10 from PSA. Happy days
Unfortunately there's some very deluded individuals in these comments. You're 100% right in the way you're thinking.
Its fascinating to try and think about the psychology of buyers and sellers now. Its funny how even when we are one, we can't quite predict whats going to happen to the market. I do think most buyers now are millenials and millenial parents, and while demand has increased, people are more focused on investments because most people are struggling financially. With that in mind, these prices do seem a bit aspirational. I think certain product will continue to increase in price, but the influx point could very well be, im sorry to say, but when the boomers die and millenials get their inheritance. Most are not buying a home of their own accord in todays world. So its really hard to say. Its special right now because 151 is like 'new vintage' and has appeal to both old and new collectors, those cards especially just seem like the perfect storm to own longer term. But hey, new financial collapses in the interim could change everything
Not just harder to pull than vintage, we haven't seen a rarity like alt arts before in pokemon yet. Even harder to pull than gold stars.
Correct! Though it must be said, these alt arts when pulled are put in protective top loaders and most are sent to grade. There would be very few that are not looked after.
The issue is with gold stars a lot of people didn’t look after those like today’s cards.
I’d say If interest declines hold strong and keep down the path you were already on,
when we all grew out of Pokémon
right at the beginning of post wotc for most of us atleaset
now we look back and realize those were some of the best cards we missed out on, and a gold mine
This is true! What’s your favourite WOTC card?
I think this alt art and special illustration era is strong man. I think it beats vintage pokemon and I hate to say this but almost beats out vintage yugioh. These modern cards are absolutely brilliant and gorgeous. I hope Pokemon can only get better but who knows. They could just lack in the future. I hope not but who the hell knows
I'd like to chime in. I'm 32 so I was around when vintage Pokemon was coming out. I have a vintage collection but I actually prize my sword and sheild alt arts more than some of my vintage. I'd almost rather own my Moonbreon over my Shadowless Charizard just because of how much cooler it looks. The texture and overall appearance of alt arts just blows my mind!
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Great work phil. You're right! The Pokémon TCG needs to do more to make it more playable. The last few sets weren't bad for that. However, it's not the same as Yugioh back then or One Piece now. That's also a reason why such a young TCG (OP) was able to produce chase cards that, in terms of value, far surpass the Sword and Shield alt arts. (Manga and tournament winner cards) Even though I personally think that Pokémon will always win the TCG battle for the throne in the long run.
Appreciate that bro! And definitely, Pokemon seems to be ahead.
I got back into Pokemon (all of it) last sept. Im so happy I did! I missed all of this so much, and have since re built a nice collection of SHSW - modern. I bought a build a battle box, to re learn the TCG again (easy to forget when last time u played was 2001) and i cant get anyone to play it w me!!! 😅 I got myself a switch lite, and im almost thru lets go Pikachu. Absolutely FANTASTIC!!! I missed this SO much!
Me too! And it’s cool if you’re kids are interested too
Same here with everything! Lol
Welcome back! It’s the best once you’re back in!
I truly do not understand the value of some of these alt arts. I am thankful that I was able to pull the Giratina and Gengar, and traded for both alt art Rayquazas. Still haven’t been able to get the Umbreon, and that’s ok. Seeing their value go up doesn’t upset me, but I do not understand it either. If you look at the pop reports of those graded cards, you’ll see numbers in the thousands, 10k for some. You know the raw copies out there have to be high as well.
Something new will come along and they will drop in price, sort of like how the sun and moon alts are preforming recently, and their numbers are much less.
It’s interesting and time will only tell
Absolutely love your channel mate! Just started collecting again, so great insight.
Do you happen to also have a insta?
Appreciate that mate! Yes I do! It’s on my TH-cam profile. Will be uploading more soon.
I always think about your yugio topic bc inl was that kid too lolol😅. Had the cards, played with the cards, did not protect the cards haha.
We all think about it!
The number of cards that exists from modern out of print sets will only ever go down and their quality can only go down too. The number of people will only go up. History will repeat itself.
i never pulled a charizard as a kid or seen one ever in person. im 33 lol
I'm going after every single alt im SnS in a psa 10, hakunamatata
Did this but with 9s
@@Wander129 can u plz explain why? To me, as if now, that doesn't make any sense to me.
@@jixer1495 its just how it worked out for me, i got the moonbreon in very good trade, I only paid 250$ after grading for my psa9, I pulled the Rayquaza vmax, I got the gengar vmax in a really good trade as well, only paid 150 after grading, i got a really good purchase for all the eevelutions in v and vmax psa9. So I already had many in 9 so I decided to just stick to 9s, it also much more affordable for me. My Rayquaza vmax came back a psa10 but I gave it to my brother, because he is getting all in 10s, also my gengar vmax came back a 10 and my brothers gengar vmax came back a 9 and I decided to swap him, so he can keep his psa 10 streak going, so its just how it worked out, and I’m very excited to have them in 9s at least.
well that's going to cost you a fortune nowadays
S&V removing alt arts and making the pull rates so generous for IR and SIR cards is what is making people realise how much better these alt arts are. Also the art on them is waaay better in most cases and most of the SnS sets features fan favourite Pokémon as the chase cards and not just Pokémon from the latest Gen which S&V is mostly doing. Also the pull rates on the SnS alts are very difficult making buying singles a lot more enticing. Boxes are also going up and are out od print, as long as the price of an booster boxes continues to climb so will the cost of all the chase cards as pulling them will become less and less viable. There is too many reasons to list as to why SnS alts will stay strong for some time to come.
But can your card get a BGS black label?🤔
Pristine ten 😮
$330? Dawg that card is an easy $1000
Now…
Yeah I believe a pop 10k psa 10 umbreon is not anything special. The art is nice but it’s not rare I’ll wait to pick one up once the market cools. However modern sealed I think is the better investment!
For sure!
Never buy vintage now. No money in it
Yeah I agree
Thats why i dont buy singles for more than 100 and no boxes for more than 200 Euro/Dollar...because low entry low risk 🤷🏻♂️
Moonbreon is officially over 11,000 copy's in a PSA 10...
Crazy isn’t it…
You're 100% right. Thanks bro!
Any time! Appreciate it.
Single 📉sealed📈
Sealed is king!
The two are strictly correlated, as a set needs valuable singles to drive it's sealed price..
It’s all a supply and demand game. It will always be up and down IMO
Classic FOMO video. Similar to the stock market "just wait for a crash, it's coming". Your own visual refuted your argument. Pokemon searches are trending down in the past 6m vs 2022/23 yet prices are rising - people jump in and out of the hobby all the time. Simple formula, product is now out of print, therefore there is scarcity and there is finite supply. As sealed product prices go up, less and less are opened or opened affordability. Naturally the Gengar which is a 1:800 pack pull... 1 in 22+ booster boxes and super popular artwork of a popular pokemon WILL continue to go up in the coming years as box prices rise... illogical that it wouldn't. 10,000+ PSA 10 graded Moonbreon's is also not enough to satiate GLOBAL demand.... unfortunately everyone missed the boat. I graded and sat on 250+ PSA 10 Alts and continued to buy the drip in alt art prices in 2023. My best advice, get them while they are still "cheap". The Latias / Latios is over $2k USD, why wouldn't Umbreon / Gengar Vmax get there eventually... "dark days" = FOMO.
Tons of assumptions and confirmation bias in this comment.
"PSA 10 graded Moonbreon's is also not enough to satiate GLOBAL demand"
Right now sure but you can't predict future demand, none of us can.
"1 in 22+ booster boxes and super popular artwork of a popular pokemon WILL continue to go up in the coming years as box prices rise... illogical that it wouldn't!
That's an opinion, not based in any fact whatsoever.
You need to start challenging your opinions more.
I put my money where my mouth was… no confirmation bias, I specifically stock piled alts for the last two years when people like you said “wait until the next reprint, prices will tank!” “They are over printing” “people are hoarding wait until everyone starts to sell” whoops. I was right…. Everything went up 200-400%+ since I bought :) I’d rather be me right now than someone trolling as the devils advocate about “confirmation bias”. Sorry you missed out. I’m sure they will fluctuate moving forward as they trend up over time……
@@jordand1554 Mate, I've got 6 figures in Sword and Shield boxes but your comment was still full of nonsense. Being able to argue against everything you believe in is key to making money. How else can you pick out the flaws in your plan and amend them? If you can't challenge your own beliefs then you have no business investing in anything.
“Mate”, you’re the one talking nonsense when you are “investing” in sealed product yet somehow you feel the sealed product will go up but the rare chase cards within said sealed product “can’t be guaranteed” to go up over time like every other pokemon set ever. It’s like buying the S/P 500 index but claiming all the companies within it will crash! You’re making my head hurt. True illogical thinking right there.
@@jordand1554 Chase cards don't always go up over time. Do some research. I'm not saying anything will go to zero but I do think they could stagnate or even drop.
You're clearly new to this but you'll learn, everyone does in the end. Challenge your own beliefs, that's all I'm saying. If you can't do that then hen you haven't a hope in hell of making it long term.
I don’t think is going to slow down, unless we go into a war or go into the apocalypse. You have so many new players coming into the hobby and they are going to want to have these vintage alt cards. I do believe it is a good time to sell your alt cards for a profit, and we purchase them once the market cools down.
Also , most people buying these big cards have money obviously, they aren’t going to need to sell theme to free up money for travelling .
@@airdrifter9578 That's an assumption.
Ofc they gonna maintain the same maybe even better . The arts is way better & the era you speaking on was way before Covid , like you said mentality these days people mindset are different ! People want to collect / invest more then ever !
no offense but you are repeating yourself a lot throughout this video, other than that great content! :D
man i never understand the appeal of investing in chase cards. i like sealed and collecting chase cards.
you call it investing when prices go up, and collecting when prices go down
I think they’re the golden nuggets of the set. I see the appeal but they are much more volatile than sealed!
@@phillips.collectibles definitely. for me its just relaxing to buy sealed and then check prices in 5-6 months. cards seems like much more of a time commitment and stress
Idk, I think Pokémon has more players than yugioh
I invested $9k into all alts psa 10. Get in while you can
Big hit! Hope they go up for your sake!
Sounds like you have a gambling problem.
@@monkey39128 I live in vegas. Pokémon gambling is way better than the casinos I promise lol
Dude I bought some kids Pokemon card collection today. I only paid $45 for the collection and it happened to have a mint copy of Giratina V (alt art) xD
Im still trying to process how much I scored.
-There were tons of other bangers.
Sometimes you really get lucky!
How old was the kid? A grown man buying a kids collection and not offering a fair price is a bit of a scummy move tbh. I would def not be bragging about it on TH-cam.
@@attract_mode_ True
You must be feeling really proud about yourself huh? Lame
so u fleeced a child. and call it luck. pathetic
@@lastplayer5838 get a life man
You know why pokemon had the boom in 2020? It's obvious. Free money in 2020 made people spend that free money on all sorts of things. This isn't rocket science
Maybe, though it’s still maintaining its popularity even with people now not having money.
Let’s hope they introduce numbered cards in the future🙏. Then we will see it go nuts 🌰
Vintage 💀. Deadge as
Its frowned upon to weiigh cards now and flame TPC for the tiniest thing like " pull rates".
But its not frowned upon for vintage ? Yuck. Ill keep my $2-300 to buy more evo skies miscellaneous products than a "HeAvY paCk"
you're definitely trying to market manipulate to get these prices to come down, maybe so you can pick them up I'm not sure but it's sad bro.
He's speaking sense. Common cards being this high is illogical. I needs a huge amount of demand to keep the price up there. It might keep going but it really is a gamble at this point.
Yeah you should all move on from Pokémon. 😂
But go where 👀
Shut your mouth lol
The reason Pokemon will go down is because to many people talking like you
I got A PSA 9 UMBREON VMAX that ima sell soon for a grand
What. A. Win!