Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those weirdos who likes both versions of Bardock, but there's always been a subset of DB fans who wanted Goku to learn about Bardock since the original special. Can you imagine? "Your dad was a savage who didn't care about your existence until he wanted revenge on Freeza. Be proud!"
I loved the 'superman's scene in the Broly movie on its own. Beautifully put together, amazing music... in itself an amazing heartfelt scene. But... I've always preferred the idea that Bardock was a savage like any other Saiyan who didn't give a damn at all, and Goku was sent their to conquer earth by chance. This new Bardock doesn't do it for me. A kind of 'ah, that's where he gets it' for Goku's compassion. Not a fan, personally.
@@danieldyer3918 How could you? It's so sappy and unfitting to the original lore. The Original Bardock special was so much more impactful and fitting to everything.
@@iknoweverything4959 if you re-read my post, I thought it was beautifully put together and was a great scene on its own... BUT I don't care for it as Bardock and prefer the Z special original version of the character. I love these scene, but I don't love it as part of the lore. Another example, I love the design of Darth Maul, I enjoy elements of Revenge of the Sith... seperate from Star Wars. They don't work for me as prequels to the original trilogy and I disregard them for my head canon, bit on their own, some things with the visuals and/or music work really well.
I'll never forget the first time I saw Bardock in the OG Dragon Ball manga. I was blown away by how cool he seemed, even if he was just shown in like one panel
i dont think that they are a evil race , they are a warrior race - space has always been in these situation where people have to fight for power - even we humans did that in the past ,
@@richblackkid2523 the story loves to contradicts itself because Vegeta said Frieza we did every he said he destroyed our home etc so Vegeta tries to make it seem like Saiyans are good but Frieza says that the Saiyans where always evil
Based on what we know about Toriyama (he has forgotten plot elements in the past), it’s more likely that Toriyama simply forgot Goku hit his head. It may be too harsh to compare Toriyama to George Lucas, but there are definitely similarities (a creator coming back and adding to an otherwise complete story, to the stories detriment)
@Urban Youth you don’t understand the story or why it’s necessary… I’m not going to argue with you because Ute become clear to me that you are very incapable and are very bad at analysing the story…
@Urban Youth nope. I’m a very intelligent person who understands why it is necessary. Some people like you are less intelligent and so do not understand.
The new Bardock is interesting because he has layers to his personality with him being barbaric and savage like most Saiyans while also having a soft spot for his wife Gine and his son Kakarot. I still like the original Bardock though with his tragic fate and curse of seeing the future!
@@xXSonTJXx maybe, but when part of his argument is Toriyama's forgetfulness, it's a bit odd that he'd just forget this bit im the manga, especially since he likely reread the chapter to prep for this video. I won't bag on him and say he's a hypocrite if that's the case, just that it'd be ironic. Not a big deal regardless of the reason since no one is perfect and it's okay to disagree.
I've sometimes wondered that when roshi was telling goku how he was wild before he hit his head was because goku was afraid. He just arrived on a unknown planet, doesn't know why, and all he wants to do is find his parents. To Him Gohan at the moment was keeping him from his parents, perhaps goku attacked him simply because he wanted to find his parents and was scared and afraid. So when goku hit his head he forgot his parents and no reason to be afraid at that point. To Him Gohan was know his family. That's just my thought another great video geekdom.
@@branco5455 And honestly? It never made much sense to begin with. I mean Roshi pulled the same bs on Goku as Monaito did to Granolah. If he knew Goku was found inside a spaceship and apparently lost his memory from head trauma then why hide the thruth from him for 20 freaking years? I mean it turned out to be the right call but Roshi had no way of knowing that.
@@mappybc6097 Because they were afraid of Goku. You want this kid to be happy, not remember that he's a monster. It's the same reason, Bulma and Yamcha never told him.
@@nworder4life exactly, so imo the "Superman story" fits him more imo. Roshi essentially just did what Jonathon Kent did by hiding Goku's alien heritage. Had Goku not hit his head as a baby, it would HAD to been revealed eventually, given Goku's inhuman strength.
@@thestarkid212 its because the theme of the manga shifted from adventure to martial arts battle against evil. Raditz and the saiyans was a way to create new villains with new power levels to push Goku to get stronger beyond how he was on earth.
Honestly, after reading Minus and watching DBS: Broly, I always thought that Goku being an angry toddler when he was on Earth (before hitting his head) had something to do with him feeling abandoned after Bardock and Gine decided to send him away. I mean, just look at Goku's face moments before his takes off
The original story: Saiyan babies are sent to destroy low level planets, they are pretty much programmed to be wild and aggressive as they are used as weapons. Remember that Raditz was expecting the entire population to be wiped out and for Kakarott to be ready to receive him.
I have a feeling that he is from the Yamoshi family. His son may be an example of his kindness, pride and humility, despite his limited level of strength
I don’t think Bardock will come back to life, but I think more flashbacks will be made about him. What I would like to see to happen is that Whis shows Goku moments from the past about his parents. Which may give Goku another thought about the Saiyan race and find a hero in his father, and the love from his mother.
Well look at it this way... since planet Vegeta was destroyed, Raditz didn't know the actual reason goku was sent off to Earth. He just assumed Goku was sent there to eliminate all life form, because that's why all low class saiyans are normally sent off to different planets
I mean, Raditz had the same parents and he was a major asshole, so Goku could still have been a problem child despite Gine and Bardock being more kind hearted. So the whole thing of Goku hitting his head and then mellowing out could still very well stand with everything Toriyama gave us in DB Minus.
It was already shown in Minus that Goku was trouble before he hit his head. Toriyama never retconed that, though, I'm confused with Vegeta's line about Goku getting his softness from Bardock, that was stupid.
My headcannon: Goku just didn't know this old man and was unruly as a Saiyan child would be, even if they were usually kind. When he hit his head, he forgot all of that and sort of imprinted on Gramps Gohan from then on.
The thing is about the previous Bardock Special is it followed the Saiyans as Toriyama described them. Bardock had humanity, with regards to his teammates, not of his low level son grown in an incubator (clearly Bardock would have had affection and pride for him, if his power level was higher than it was shown to be, so his own anger and failings inside of himself are what kept him from wanting to bond with Goku - complex, understated feelings, very natural for his character and that society). He also had an arc to try and redeem himself once he found out the truth of the future. Not only was he fighting to save his race and to see his son grow to be that warrior, he was fighting to do one right thing to redeem himself. The spartan society Toriyama created of the Saiyans would not just allow either Gine or Bardock to live this romantic life, especially if it was known how soft and kind Gine was, and then Bardock later. It just doesn't hold up at all. Retcons to Goku's backstory, directly contradicting the shocker of it told by Raditz and confirmed by Roshi at the start of Z, also don't hold up. It's just a very bad and completely unnecessary reboot, basically, of their backstories.
You are completely wrong, and it makes no sense for a father not to care about his warrior son. Stop coping that the original bardock sucked, and Toriyama's rewrite is significantly better. Spartan warriors had tons of romance with women, and knew their fathers even if they didn't know their mother's after the age of 8.
@@giffica YOU are completely wrong. The Saiyan race is nothing like the spartans. Goku was sent to earth to exterminate the population. his mother and father didn’t care about him. his brother didn’t care about him. his brother tried to kill him. what the hell do you not understand about saiyans? Toriyama has become an old fool.
@@juleswinnfield1246 Are you aware Spartan's were taken from their mother's at the age of 7, isolated from all female exposure, and forced to live outside in the woods, solo, around the age of 10 and if they didn't come back alive no one would look for the bodies? Do you even know where the idea of Saiyan's originates from? lol Make it obvious you aren't a manga historian, nerd.
@@giffica It did make sense for him not to care about Goku. Bardock was a bad guy, just like the rest of the Saiyans. He didn't care for Goku because of his low power level and you know Saiyans regard anyone with that level as trash.
I guess Bardock: Father of Goku is to Dragon Ball Super what Genndy Tartakonvsy’s Clone Wars is too Dave Filoni’s Clone Wars. One is more entertaining, while the other fits into the story better
The original Bardock special is more entertaining and makes more sense, you mean. Minus does not fit with the original continuity or themes, and it's a pure Superman rip off and lame.
He did, but the one we got in the special was only a slight modification of that original one. I like the one we got, but I wouldn't have hated it if we got the original design instead. The hair style was similar enough that you could see the resemblance, kinda like how Gohan's hair when he's a child has a similar spike pattern to it, and you see the same thing in future gohan. However, I think the choice to give him the same hair as Goku made the story a little more interesting because it gave Freezer the opportunity to recognize Bardock in Goku and have a moment of "oh shit, what have I done?"
My head Canon for goku's personality is that after he was found by Gohan he would've been three, old enough to remember his parents so he rebeled against Gohan and anyone else cause that were strangers , he was still just a baby , he's not gonna be well behaved in a new confusing unknown environment and possibly scared, so when goku hit his head he lost the memory of his parents and sorta imprinted on Gohan. This is the only way the story makes sense to me
Goku was born in 734 and Planet Vegeta was destroyed by Frieza in 739. So that means, Goku was five when Grandpa Gohan found him. Gohan got killed when Goku was 8 and Bulma met our protagonist when he was 10/11 years old. I am saying this because he was 13 when he killed the Demon King Piccolo. Also, Goku was 17 when he beat Piccolo Jr.
@@praveenloganathan7495 well I checked the citation it just lead to DragonBall minus which I reread and nowhere in the Manga chapter does it state the date ,
Fantastic video Geekdom. The scouter jingle music from Bardock to separate each part was good. I'll say the same i've said in another video, i love both Bardock versions. I think both bring out a certain relatability, standard to there iteration but one is more raw and the other is more soften up related to the type of writting Akira is used to more than Takao's. Though, knowing the relation Bardock character has with Journey of The West(Explained in the livestream last night) i think this bardock iteration might speak more volumes to people if there's a lens to that novel Akira based all of his characters, included the saiyans.
I kind of like the idea that Bardock is softer because it kind of implies Raditz COULD have been soft and kind (for a Saiyan) like his parents if it weren’t for the influence of Vegeta and Nappa, both before but especially after the destruction of planet Vegeta, which hardened him into the villain we met in DBZ. I know that’s pretty much head-canon but I think that idea retroactively gives Raditz more depth and fits with what we’re learning about Bardock and his family
What's really mind blowing is realizing just how strong the saiyans were especially when transformed, and that if freeza didn't destroy them the saiyans would have took over the universe imo
Honestly I really do love the newer iterations of Bardock because his motivations are so relatable, it's much easier for me to sympathise with a character with a moral compass than a metaphorical black hole. Old Bardock was definitely more raw and tough but I think the charm for the newer one works super well. IT ALSO GIVES ME MY BOI LEEK, YESSIR, BEST CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE!!!!!
@@prl4122 I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to relate to someone morally? In terms of background I can understand use of empathy but I'm practically exclusively referring to morals.
@@SirFenV Exactly, I agree 100% it's why I LOVE Meruem, and don't really consider him a "villain", Meruem was practically a new born, a few months old at the most, while not really the same situation, the new Bardock has a shit ton more character, there's more nuance with this Bardock, there's more places you can go with a character like this opposed to the old Bardock. Also, I actually like the armor, I think he kinda looks chic
@@geekhammergamer1438 Yea Bardock NOT being like Goku was what was so cool about him, it also solidified Goku growing up the way eh did because he hit his head.
Why is adding more layers to a character a bad thing? He still murdered/ helped exterminate countless races in the name of the Cold/Frieza Force and took planets like a space pirate. He was still a bad guy, just not evil. I love the og Bardock but this new one is appearing to be a more well rounded version of the character, being more than just "another angry saiyan".
Fr, this makes much more sense & actually connects Goku with Bardock on how they acted differently than most sayians. It wasn’t just cause Goku hit his head & beacame good, he already had that in him cause his dad. Dragon Ball fandom can be real annoying sometimes
This doesn’t change the effect that Grandpa Gohan or the Hit on the head had. Bardock even before Gine had her effect on him already like you said had a small measure of humanity towards his companions. Goku is the same way instinctually which is why his companions grow in number. but unlike Bardock thanks to the blow to the head and Grandpa Gohan what he inherited from Bardock could thrive and be cemented by his influences. In dragon ball minus it’s shown that Goku was still aggressive before hitting his head so without hitting his head Goku may have had that deep need to help his companions like Bardock but he would not have been the pure hearted happy go lucky Goku we know today.
@Urban Youth in Dragon Ball Minus and in Dragon Ball Z it's stated that goku was wild and hard to manage before hitting his head. Bardock in the special is slightly different because he only learns to truly care for other saiyans on the battlefield late in the story which is where that famous red bandana scene comes in. but much like goku was domesticated by Grandpa Gohan thanks to the blow to the head Bardock in Minus is slowly domesticated by his wife much like Vegeta and Bulma. this process happened off screen earlier in the story rather then the last minute like the original special. so yes they are different in the sense that the new bardock is more domesticated but that was the ultimate end goal for the original character anyway
@Urban Youth I did not make that up lol 😂 granpa Gohan literally says in minus that is it wasn’t for him being a martial artist he wouldn’t be able to handle Goku lol 😂 If you think that no wonder you are confused. And no it literally ruins nothing because Bardock was also a killer before gyne.. just like Goku would have been without granpa Gohan and just like Vegeta would have been without bulma. It’s a pretty easy concept to grasp.
@Urban Youth also the fact that you bring up raditz not making sense shows how confused you are. Raditz was never domesticated. That’s the difference. How is this hard to understand? They all would have been wild killers without the domestication process.
To me as good as toriyama was in his prime as a writer, he also had a lot of flaws like 1. he doesn't plan anything and write as he goes. this can give very mixed results sometimes good and sometimes bad 2. He is very forgetful and rarely rereads or rewatch his own creation. This results in him just retconning his own work later on that might not be accepted as easily by fans.
"Bardock is a dirtbag" the same Bardock who actively is saddened and enraged about the slaughter of his teammates and vows to avenge them. I swear it's like Bardock doing objectively good things in the original special flies over yalls heads and just doesn't exist. Bardock been fye and gone stay fye
Original Bardock kills people, and he does it because he's a warrior, he enjoys the fighting as all saiyans do. The only redeeming qualities he had were he cared about his team mates and the future of his race. Geekdom calls him a dirtbag because OG Bardock does not possess any love for the concept of life outside of his saiyan race.
It really does make sense that goku was raging baby because even though he was naturally kind, he was just sent away by his parents and was then alone with a stranger. So when he hit his head he forgot about his parents and he was then his kind self that was became Gohans grandson. Idk how people don't think of this.
I do like the original but this bardock seems like he could be a main character in spinoff prequel. I honestly love the saiyan sections of dragon ball super: broly and want more
It is completely possible for bardock to make a return... Also for his character to encompass both the tv special and db minus... Granted minus is a retcon of the tv special, a retelling could yield all the results and more without changing the new continuity...
Well it could be that Goku MIGHT have remembered his parents cause they were the last people he saw. Once he got out the spaceship he was expecting to see them and not grandpa Gohan which got him to act up the way he did.
I agree that childhood trauma could be invoked as a rationale. Gohan was essentially some stranger that Goku had no trust in at first. He wasn't born an Earthling. He was born a soldier in a galactic army
here are my 2 cents and how everyone can accept the story. 1. Bardocks Weakness is not his kindness but that he actually listens to others/noticed the others in other words he is not an asshole egoist like the other saiyans. 2. Goku since a baby was taught for years to destroy the planet but after hitting his head he forgot those teachings instead he learned from Gohan why are those 2 points important? Because its the difference between Vegeta and Goku when they first met. Goku has listened and learned from many People and Vegeta on the other hand believed to be the Elite and does not need anyone else thus he killed Nappa once he became useless.
The perfect Bardock is him with dbz outfit,with dbs Broly personality, team Bardock tragedy,sends goku off world, and has his final showdown against Frieza force
He may not be able to compete with the characters now but this Dragon Ball Super they’ll find a way to make him be on a level playing field in just 4 months of training
Honestly when it comes to Super Bardock I feel like they try to take the Future Sight but make it a Gut feeling instead. SSG didn't need to be mentioned but I don't think it heavily takes away at least from the Super-Timeline I just feel it needs more explanation on how Frieza learned of it most saiyans would only know about the Super Saiyan Legend and that used to feel like just a Legend so SSG would be a myth and unseen and unknown to most. I do have a few things that I feel like Minus and Super kinda did in an overall "Ehhh" way like where it's not completely bad concept wise but the way they ended up doing it was quite Ehhh... Is the only way I can explain it.
Amazing video. 👏 I think Bardock being able to see the doom of the race was a pretty interesting concept. They could have connected the stories by letting Bardock see Goku in the future not bring the typical saiyan but to become so strong, and that would be the reason why Bardock has a change of heart, started doing good things, and then being able to keep his body and train with a Kai because he became good.
The only way Bardock coming back would make sense is if he were a mentor to Goku (and Vegeta) concerning their Saiyan heritage. And the 2 Saiyans fall back on their god training to go back and embrace their Saiyan roots of power again. Broly could then get into the mix since his power of the Saiyans and all 3 of them train with Bardock as an overseer. This could bring SSJ4 back and reset the power scaling somewhat
I predict that Goku, Vegeta and Broly will be on similar levels of power. I think Broly was brought in to tie everything back to the Super Saiyan God legend which Bardock might know about or maybe he IS the SJG since he was pushed through time.
Personally myself, I really don’t mind Toryiamas Bardock. I really do like that he has a “kind heart” as Vegeta mentioned and that Goku may have gotten that from him (even though he hit his head making him nice😂). I feel like with this Bardock, he has more personality and something more to him. He acts the big nasty guy but behind all that, he’s got a kind nature. Genie is such a lovely person she seems as well. I love the fact we are seeing more story to Gokus parents and I love seeing Gokus reaction to it. I think Goku would absolute love his mother which in a way, is pretty sad because you can see Genie had so much love for him❤️
This bardock has more personality? bruh, original bardock has much more reasonable interactions with his world, and that means pretty much because of his personality and all, the complete reverse situation happens to this new bardock. You can still like him, but some facts have to be exposed.
Imo the only real difference between the bardocks was Gine. I mean the new bardock was as much as a murdering psychopath as the old one but the only reason hes had a bit of compassion was because of Gine. That isn't to say that the old bardock didn't have Gine but obviously it didn't have any effect or she died at birth or sum. It's difficult to fit Gine in the bardock special because of her absence. I think some things would have indeed changed in the special but not by much ig that is if she was there.
My theory is that bardock got ssj during bardock vs gas. similar to lord chilled vs bardock in the non canon special. the death of granolah's mom could've been the trigger because when it happened he did get angry and went for an attack. similar to how he went ssj in the non canon special. I think he is gonna get it thinking about how he couldn't save granolah's mom, whether gas brings it up teasingly or gas overpowers bardock and he thinks about it. Whatever the case, he starts his rant on "if only i was stronger" just like the non canon. thats when it happens, in a fury of rage he goes ssj and defeats gas but obviously doesn't kill. also bardock had a scouter on, if he was stronger than gas and the others he would've just killed them there but he escaped instead. So thats why my theory is super sayian. This could also explain why in the broly movie, bardock is the only one attempting to stop frieza's supernova. obviously he wouldn't be able to control super saiyan but maybe he thought he could tap into it to save his planet but obviously that didnt go out well. Anyways thats my theory, dont make fun of it please im just speaking off of pure prediction
I like to think that Goku was just acting out because he was a saiyan child, not because he was sent to destroy earth, and bumping his head caused the change.
My thoughts are that Goku knew his parents when he arrived on Earth and upon meeting grandpa Gohan he saw a stranger and knew that he was supposed to subjugate the race so that's why he started to fight. until he fell out Gohan's arms and hit his head and forgot everything, if you look into when Gohan turned into a great ape, because the projection from Goku's Saiyan space pod, you'll see that it had subliminal messages playing to destroy all inhabitants on the Earth. He forgot it on impact. what do you think?
Not only the idea of "inheritance his kindness" is less interesting but it has been proved that the brain has no mechanism to decern that... it is learn through education and human concept, so the word "kindness" is bound to changes...
Geekdom! There’s a page from the original manga where Raditz even said that their parents weren’t like regular saiyans & had hoped Goku was more like him instead of them. So technically this Bardock had seeds planted to grow before the other one was even created.
TOEI's Bardock special is just perfect; the concept of Bardock watching the entire Dragon Ball events up until Frieza's saga because of a "curse", and getting the satisfaction of seeing his son take on the genocidal who wiped his entire race and home planet; the saiyans being absolute assholes (they were esentially genocides at Frieza's command) but not as much as Vegeta, since they actually cared about their friends and family to an extent; the introduction of Vegeta as a sociopathic but very promising child, which would put him miles above Goku regarding power-levels for years; Bardock wearing a cloth that turned red with the blood of one of his buddies, the damn good music... It's still canon and Toriyama himself retconned it back in the day. Or is Frieza's saga not canon now?
Gokus’ mother was never mentioned in the anime special called Bardock The Father of Goku but however many fans did speculate that Fasha was Gokus’ mother but later on but was proven not true. But later on we have Gine in Dragon Ball Minus which is great.
I feel like the two Goku hot takes can be reconciled. He does inherit his fathers kindness, but only through the twist of fate that is hitting his head. At first his saiyan instincts took over, just because his parents had kindness as a trait doesn't mean he was guaranteed to follow suit, right?
Im just glad DB, DBZ, and the original TV specials feel like a complete story to me so that I don't need any further material added to it....(Though Id probably give a Young Roshi Prequel series a chance) I hate the new Bardock and DBS but I can just ignore it...Dragonball has already given me enough stuff to love that I dont need to worry about the new stuff that they come out with that I dont enjoy.
I’m a little disappointed that Bardock’s confrontation with Frieza wasn’t really elaborated on in the current canon. Do you think Toriyama kept the idea of Bardock fighting Frieza’s men to confront him in his ship more or less the same from the original TV special?
@@jasonone8726 That’s what I meant when it wasn’t elaborated on. The confrontation happens and is there, but the scene just kinda is there. No buildup or setup. Does that mean we just assume the confrontation plays out in (almost) the same way as the Special
@@jasonone8726 I’ve read and owned all the manga, so I am aware. My main focus is that there’s not much motivational reason on Bardock going on a full-blown confrontation against Frieza in Toriyama’s current iteration of the canon. (Also since Toriyama based that panel from the special, Bardock’s design in the original manga is inconsistent now) At least in the non-canon Special, Bardock’s ability to see in the future and his first hand experience watching his team die at the hands of Dodoria and his men confirms his fears and gives him a clear motivation to fight Frieza. In the current canon, he kinda just has a hunch about Frieza which ends up being true. There’s really no emotional buildup, elaboration, or even a strong personal motivation on why Bardock goes to rebel against Frieza other than to defend his family and race. I know Bardock’s story wasn’t the main focus of the movie, but I really hope they make a full scene of that legendary moment!
Xenoverse 1&2 Bardock is the strongest version of Bardock there is despite the fact that he can transform into Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.
@@truthcrusader360 He's not a complete rip off though since Jor-El is a scientist while Bardock is a low class saiyan warrior that had a soft spot despite still being a bad dude originally.
@@Mandalore_ultimate Never said anything about him being a “complete rip off”, just basically so. Most of us OG fans don’t really care for the Humanization/Retconning of what was originally established and canonized in the manga, regardless of things not ever being so simple, even though that’s exactly what DragonBall originally was and we’d like to keep it that way regardless of what it comes off as either “gatekeeping or not appreciating what we’re getting now” even though it’s clearly just lazy writing and more corporate now than ever before since DBS Began. They ruined all of the main characters and Toriyama has lost his golden touch.
I’m very 50/50 on the new Bardock. There’s some aspects I really enjoy but some I definitely prefer the original Father of Goku Bardock for the most part, but depending on the direction Super takes Minus Bardock I think he has plenty of potential.
@@jasonone8726 I agree I think if they’re going to make Bardock a bit softer than the other Saiyans then that’s the best way they can really do it. I think depending on the direction they take Bardock he has the potential to become even more awesome than the original, but I have a feeling Super isn’t going to do that.
Think of Dragon Ball Super:Broly's version of Bardock and the events of how the Saiyans were destroyed a retconned as a result of Trunks' Time Travel. He creates/enters an alternate timeline when he travels and intervenes. Like Flashpoint, when Barry goes back in time to save his mother, it changes the course of OTHER individuals history, not just his own.
My son is 4 and when it comes to little kids getting hurt or worse, yeah it hits different since he was born. When you talk about Toriyama being different I believe it. But it also makes his version of Bardock make sense. From Saving Gine > Wife > Father of 2 boys, it feels like a very natural thing when presented with a parent and kid like his own family he might hesitate. There are definitely things about old Bardock that are cool and interesting. In my head I kind of merge aspects of them.
Actually no. When Goku arrived on Earth. Goku had Saiyan armor and was a bit of a brat. Read the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga. He was not a kind kid at first.
@@jasonone8726I was talking about in Toriyama's events from the Jaco manga, Goku did start as a batty 3 year old. It was shown on panel in the last chapter, when Jaco missed Goku's ship landing. You said Scholar is referring to DBZ. I said Toei made Z's story.
You know what? Even though I love GInes' concept, I can't help but wonder sometimes what would have been thought up for the Bardock Special. It's like the Elder Kai Beerus Qquestion. What would have been thought up back then? It really does make me curious, especially now with the different tones of the specials. I want answers, but there are no answers to get. Would Fasha be Raditz and Kakarots' mother? Or is there just another concept living in the void of Bardocks' original creators' mind? What would Beerus be if God of Destruction was unveiled in the 90s'? Who was Elder Kai referring to? So many questions, with no answers possible...Though I have an idea for Beerus at least.
Unlikely Fasha would be Goku's mother since she was there when Goku is mentioned yet no such relationship was hinted at and wouldn't make sense to omit that entirely. Fasha was likely only there because the creators wanted to show a female Saiyan. In regards to Elder Kaioshin, it's doubtful he was referring to Beerus since he said the bad guy feared Elder Kaioshin's powers, but that wasn't the case with Beerus. Beerus sealed him away because he pissed off Beerus and while it wasn't stated, it can be inferred it was because it was the best way of dealing with Elder Kaioshin, as Beerus couldn't kill him, plus it kept him safe at the time. Who that bad guy was is unknown, if he existed at all, since Elder Kaioshin may have just made it up either due to embarrassment or to hide the existence of Beerus for some reason.
@@seandobbins2231 I wonder if Koyama had a concept floating around his head he just never played with. Someone needs to ask him one of these days what he would have done. And Probably, but it does make me curious, If Elder Kai was talking about someone else, I'm curious If Toriyama had any ideas or sketches. I guess we can look at it as an exhaggeration, since Beerus isn't really evil.
@@Xylospring maybe. All we know from interviews is that they were given a lot of leeway in creating the story and Koyama once asked about the existence of female Saiyans, to which Toriyama was nonchalant and briefly mentioned that there was a female Saiyan (guessing Fasha) in the TV special. Granted, the discussion happened 14 years after the special. I mean, it's possible Elder Kaioshin was referring to Beerus was just rationalizing to spare embarrassment and talk himself up, but not specify Beerus lest he anger him again. We know Beerus sealed him in the sword so the only way he would've been referring to someone else is if he mixed up some bad guy with Beerus, which might be possible due to his age and how long he was sealed for. Thinking about it more, it's more likely the guy he mentioned was Beerus since he's been known to bend the truth to save face and this would be one of those circumstances.
Personally, I don't have a problem with the new Bardock since, let's see, he was established in anime first and then manga and putting the two together like that creates problems. He grew popularly without being introduced to the manga first and that is a problem as to why there is debate on which version of the character you like. And to me, this new version has a lot of potential as a character to see and maybe that's why I feel attracted to this character to see whas he has to show. And yes, the fact that Toriyama has changed a lot from Bardock and Goku due to the years that have passed that changes the perspectives of life, in that I agree has happened to me in similar situations. I am open-minded so I still want to see what is going to be done and at the end I determine if it is good or bad without being tied to past visions.
I completely disagree with you, this Bardock has no potential to become anyway an actual good character because of the ideas the producers has while writting him.
@@jasonone8726 Meh, has no argument and decide to try to offend me. Yes, sadly he's not the same as the old one, because the old one was much more a better character, i am not being fanboy or anything like that, it's just a fact, i like this new version of the character when i do ignore the old one, you can do it too, just accept facts. I never stated he have to be evil to be a good character.
My head canon about Goku being aggressive and hitting his head: It can be both. He could have been gentle with his Saiyan mom and dad then be aggressive with the unknown old man who found him, grandpa Gohan. Then after he fell and hit his head, that caused him to forget his parents (also how young he was) and after seeing how Gohan took care of him warmed up to him. I mean my two year old doesn't want anything to do with is grandparents when they baby sit... After being with them for a a couple of hours he slowly starts warming up to them.
I love that in softening Bardock up only a tiny bit, we got a character much like modern Vegeta. Undoubtedly still a dangerous and shitty guy, but with a distinct soft spot for the family he built. I like to think more Saiyans would end up like this if they had more down time at home. (Which might also partially explain why Freeza seemed to keep them away from their home world a lot on active distant missions.)
Great stream last night! I couldn´t join for the whole thing. Are you planning on maybe recording and uploading a few more of those streams? I really enjy them and love talking to you and the fans.......
my personal headcanon is that it is both. He "inherited" kindness from his parents and bumped his head. The headbump just helped calm him down earlier and gave grandpa gohan a chance to nuture the kindness that he potentially had.
Yea i was thinking the same thing. If the space pod that was used to send him away was the typical ones used when they sent babies to conquer planets, then it was the space pod that “reprogrammed” goku to have that viscious instinct. When He bumped his head, he reverted to his normal self. Even Gohan was triggered by that programming in a filler episode of DBZ.
I prefer old Bardock and his story over the new Canon one. Honestly, the new Bardock is story is just so boring and making it out that he was some unique saiyan that passed down his kind heart to Goku takes away from Goku and DB as a whole to me. No hate if you like the new one, we all enjoy DB at the end of the day
I agree, the original Bardock makes more sense, he was a true saiyan that was enlighted the very las moments of his life, he wasn''t Goku. Goku would have ended the very same way if he didn''t receive love from his grandfather.
to me most of super is lazy writing like if you constantly have to retcon story beads you've already established just to tell your story than your story isn't that good
I do like the original bardock better. But the new one is still a badass just has more off a soft side. I think in the most recent chapter of super, goku made bardock softer. It may sound silly but having a child could change a parent making them more kind or soft in this case. Another thing could be that bardock just got tired of killing as he got older and mellowed out as many people tend to do in real life. As long as they don’t say goku inherited his kindness from his parents I feel this bardock will grow on me
The way I picture this Bardock is in a similar way to vegeta after Trunks is killed by Cell. He’s still a proud warrior but he’s gained a new perspective in seeing Goku in his nursing pod (Which is implied to be a pretty rare occurrence for most Saiyans) where he’s not necessarily “Soft” but more sympathetic towards Granola and his mom due to him drawing parallels to his own wife and son.
Bardock is my 2nd favorite character after Trunks. Even though I prefer the og interpretation of him he was a pretty flat character. This new Super take on him is honestly a breathe of fresh air. I actually prefer how the Saiyan's aren't just mindless savages as how they are presented in Z but people with actual feelings and their own view points
Honestly that kinda narrative would be okay if it was any other Saiyan that wasn't related to Goku. Trying to make Bardock special just makes Goku less special
@@webbiefade14 Goku doesn't need to be special. That's not what attracts people to him in story, and a lot of people in reality like him because of his personality and not how special he is as a Saiyan.
@@yumin_pluto558 Goku being a kind purehearted soul that comes from a race of ruthless murderers already makes him special by default, And the lore was literally built upon that specialty so yes it's necessary, For good storytelling purposes at least. His personality is part of that specialty, And the fact that he was supposed to be the polar opposite from birth is a majority of what made him even more likeable.
@@webbiefade14 From birth? No, he's the opposite because of where he was raised and what behaviors were encouraged. If he was good from birth, what stops some of that attitude from being genetic anyway, your wording goes against your own point.
To me DBZ is the end of the series, I'm sick of all the small and sometimes bigger retcons and changes to various characters. Like he said, this is a different person whos writing this story compared to the Toriyama of the 80s and 90s.
I really hate this 2013-2021 Bardock retconned version of the character, mostly cause of the potential of retconning this character and transforming him into much more them what he actually was, not turning him into an powerful character, but explore in many ways this character, something they doesn't, and if you consider they did, well, if they actually did it, it was pretty bad cause i can't even see that as the case.
My personal own theory/headcanon that I like to see in a future as a twist: Original Bardock was killed by Frieza but sent to the past and became a Super Saiyan battling his ancestor Chilled (from Episode of Bardock). And after his eventual death in the past, his spirit continue to exist like Yamoshi. He is eventually reincarnated as the Toriyama Bardock and the timeline is now the Minus interpretation! The new Bardock inherited his previous incarnation's noble aspects but has no memories of his past self. Some of his actions he does like saving Granolah and his mother was on a inner whim that he himself don't fully understand. It's his past self influence that makes him more kind-hearted, more attentive to his son Kakarot, and more wary of Frieza's genocide plan due to the fear of the Super Saiyan legend in the Broly movie. To me, Toriyama Bardock's seems to have alot of gutsy feelings about the future, similar to the original's vision powers. This way, both Bardock can be "canon" and everyone is happy. You saw it here first.
Nothing beats the 3rd and arguably most important version of Bardock: the brilliant scientist!
If toriyama knew that joke he would've done so lol
Bardock the most badass Sayian who had the balls to fight frieza while others laughed at him and became cowards
Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those weirdos who likes both versions of Bardock, but there's always been a subset of DB fans who wanted Goku to learn about Bardock since the original special. Can you imagine? "Your dad was a savage who didn't care about your existence until he wanted revenge on Freeza. Be proud!"
He's a saiyan warrior for Christ's sake😑IT MAKES SENSHe doesn't need to be a good father🗣️
I loved the 'superman's scene in the Broly movie on its own. Beautifully put together, amazing music... in itself an amazing heartfelt scene.
But...
I've always preferred the idea that Bardock was a savage like any other Saiyan who didn't give a damn at all, and Goku was sent their to conquer earth by chance.
This new Bardock doesn't do it for me. A kind of 'ah, that's where he gets it' for Goku's compassion. Not a fan, personally.
@@danieldyer3918 How could you? It's so sappy and unfitting to the original lore. The Original Bardock special was so much more impactful and fitting to everything.
@@iknoweverything4959 if you re-read my post, I thought it was beautifully put together and was a great scene on its own... BUT I don't care for it as Bardock and prefer the Z special original version of the character. I love these scene, but I don't love it as part of the lore.
Another example, I love the design of Darth Maul, I enjoy elements of Revenge of the Sith... seperate from Star Wars. They don't work for me as prequels to the original trilogy and I disregard them for my head canon, bit on their own, some things with the visuals and/or music work really well.
He was a soldier & mercenary. Had 0 to do with his character. He forgave Vegeta who literally did the same thing
I'll never forget the first time I saw Bardock in the OG Dragon Ball manga. I was blown away by how cool he seemed, even if he was just shown in like one panel
I think Saiyans being a purely evil race, including Bardock and baby Goku, adds a ton more weight to Vegeta's character arc.
i dont think that they are a evil race , they are a warrior race - space has always been in these situation where people have to fight for power - even we humans did that in the past ,
@@richblackkid2523 the story loves to contradicts itself because Vegeta said Frieza we did every he said he destroyed our home etc so Vegeta tries to make it seem like Saiyans are good but Frieza says that the Saiyans where always evil
@@richblackkid2523 How is massacring aliens just for profit not evil?
@@YubelLord1 nah
@@YubelLord1 When did Vegeta ever make it sound like the Saiyans were good people?
Based on what we know about Toriyama (he has forgotten plot elements in the past), it’s more likely that Toriyama simply forgot Goku hit his head. It may be too harsh to compare Toriyama to George Lucas, but there are definitely similarities (a creator coming back and adding to an otherwise complete story, to the stories detriment)
@@jasonone8726 it’s toyataro’s story now
@Urban Youth he isn’t ruining everything. If you read the manga, you will see why the change was necessary
@Urban Youth you don’t understand the story or why it’s necessary…
I’m not going to argue with you because Ute become clear to me that you are very incapable and are very bad at analysing the story…
@Urban Youth nope. I’m a very intelligent person who understands why it is necessary.
Some people like you are less intelligent and so do not understand.
@@lelouch8470 No, it isn't and Goku did still bump his head in Minus, it was even brought up in Super during the fight with Gas lol
The new Bardock is interesting because he has layers to his personality with him being barbaric and savage like most Saiyans while also having a soft spot for his wife Gine and his son Kakarot. I still like the original Bardock though with his tragic fate and curse of seeing the future!
Technically he isn't anyway barbaric and savage, i doesn't even know how did you find out that conclusion.
@@branco5455 because Bardocks job is basically genocide
@@Godzilla00X it called being a professional killer.
@@branco5455 he literally is barbaric and savage
Ogres have layers...
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Jaco page where it confirms Grandpa Gohan still had to deal with Goku being a rough child before he hit his head
That's what I thought. Goku was still a rowdy child with Grandpa Gohan before he hit his head in DB Minus.
That would derail his argument about lazy writing and he can’t have that lmao
@@yamcha-sama6126 he probably just forgot
Maybe because goku just witness being separated from his parents made him rowdy.
@@xXSonTJXx maybe, but when part of his argument is Toriyama's forgetfulness, it's a bit odd that he'd just forget this bit im the manga, especially since he likely reread the chapter to prep for this video.
I won't bag on him and say he's a hypocrite if that's the case, just that it'd be ironic. Not a big deal regardless of the reason since no one is perfect and it's okay to disagree.
They really want Goku to be much closer in line with Superman
Bardock is so dope. I’m glad he’s getting more recognition even decades later
We can all agree that Legends > dooken bettla
But in Super......ehhhh
@@Football_Fanatic07 No we can't all agree sorry I exist here and I stan Dokkan Battle and Bardocks Cards in those.
@@DaveKumar. He's a Legend in the games.
@@zelz3011 nah
I've sometimes wondered that when roshi was telling goku how he was wild before he hit his head was because goku was afraid. He just arrived on a unknown planet, doesn't know why, and all he wants to do is find his parents. To Him Gohan at the moment was keeping him from his parents, perhaps goku attacked him simply because he wanted to find his parents and was scared and afraid. So when goku hit his head he forgot his parents and no reason to be afraid at that point. To Him Gohan was know his family. That's just my thought another great video geekdom.
Nah, that does happen for Dragon Ball manga Goku, not for new lore made up by Akira Toriyama, clearly those events never happen on his retcon.
@@branco5455 And honestly? It never made much sense to begin with.
I mean Roshi pulled the same bs on Goku as Monaito did to Granolah.
If he knew Goku was found inside a spaceship and apparently lost his memory from head trauma then why hide the thruth from him for 20 freaking years?
I mean it turned out to be the right call but Roshi had no way of knowing that.
@@mappybc6097 Because they were afraid of Goku. You want this kid to be happy, not remember that he's a monster. It's the same reason, Bulma and Yamcha never told him.
@@nworder4life exactly, so imo the "Superman story" fits him more imo. Roshi essentially just did what Jonathon Kent did by hiding Goku's alien heritage. Had Goku not hit his head as a baby, it would HAD to been revealed eventually, given Goku's inhuman strength.
@@thestarkid212 its because the theme of the manga shifted from adventure to martial arts battle against evil. Raditz and the saiyans was a way to create new villains with new power levels to push Goku to get stronger beyond how he was on earth.
Honestly, after reading Minus and watching DBS: Broly, I always thought that Goku being an angry toddler when he was on Earth (before hitting his head) had something to do with him feeling abandoned after Bardock and Gine decided to send him away. I mean, just look at Goku's face moments before his takes off
I feel the same way
Same here I thought it was pretty clear
What? this point doesn't make any sense, mostly because Akira Toriyama retconned that too, this actually never happen on his continuity.
@@branco5455 Yeah it makes no sense at all. Some DB fans are so weird.
The original story: Saiyan babies are sent to destroy low level planets, they are pretty much programmed to be wild and aggressive as they are used as weapons. Remember that Raditz was expecting the entire population to be wiped out and for Kakarott to be ready to receive him.
Old Bardock for me, a true savage, an ANIMAL and i Love it.
new bardock is still that tho
When was that shown?
I have a feeling that he is from the Yamoshi family. His son may be an example of his kindness, pride and humility, despite his limited level of strength
I don’t think Bardock will come back to life, but I think more flashbacks will be made about him. What I would like to see to happen is that Whis shows Goku moments from the past about his parents. Which may give Goku another thought about the Saiyan race and find a hero in his father, and the love from his mother.
Well look at it this way... since planet Vegeta was destroyed, Raditz didn't know the actual reason goku was sent off to Earth. He just assumed Goku was sent there to eliminate all life form, because that's why all low class saiyans are normally sent off to different planets
I mean, Raditz had the same parents and he was a major asshole, so Goku could still have been a problem child despite Gine and Bardock being more kind hearted.
So the whole thing of Goku hitting his head and then mellowing out could still very well stand with everything Toriyama gave us in DB Minus.
Alternatively, Raditz's behavior shows how he was raised (in Frieza's army) turned him bad.
It was already shown in Minus that Goku was trouble before he hit his head. Toriyama never retconed that, though, I'm confused with Vegeta's line about Goku getting his softness from Bardock, that was stupid.
Original bardock looked like goku with vegetas personality
My headcannon: Goku just didn't know this old man and was unruly as a Saiyan child would be, even if they were usually kind. When he hit his head, he forgot all of that and sort of imprinted on Gramps Gohan from then on.
My thoughts exactly
The thing is about the previous Bardock Special is it followed the Saiyans as Toriyama described them. Bardock had humanity, with regards to his teammates, not of his low level son grown in an incubator (clearly Bardock would have had affection and pride for him, if his power level was higher than it was shown to be, so his own anger and failings inside of himself are what kept him from wanting to bond with Goku - complex, understated feelings, very natural for his character and that society). He also had an arc to try and redeem himself once he found out the truth of the future. Not only was he fighting to save his race and to see his son grow to be that warrior, he was fighting to do one right thing to redeem himself. The spartan society Toriyama created of the Saiyans would not just allow either Gine or Bardock to live this romantic life, especially if it was known how soft and kind Gine was, and then Bardock later. It just doesn't hold up at all. Retcons to Goku's backstory, directly contradicting the shocker of it told by Raditz and confirmed by Roshi at the start of Z, also don't hold up. It's just a very bad and completely unnecessary reboot, basically, of their backstories.
You are completely wrong, and it makes no sense for a father not to care about his warrior son. Stop coping that the original bardock sucked, and Toriyama's rewrite is significantly better. Spartan warriors had tons of romance with women, and knew their fathers even if they didn't know their mother's after the age of 8.
@@giffica YOU are completely wrong. The Saiyan race is nothing like the spartans. Goku was sent to earth to exterminate the population. his mother and father didn’t care about him. his brother didn’t care about him. his brother tried to kill him. what the hell do you not understand about saiyans? Toriyama has become an old fool.
@@juleswinnfield1246 Are you aware Spartan's were taken from their mother's at the age of 7, isolated from all female exposure, and forced to live outside in the woods, solo, around the age of 10 and if they didn't come back alive no one would look for the bodies? Do you even know where the idea of Saiyan's originates from? lol Make it obvious you aren't a manga historian, nerd.
@@giffica It did make sense for him not to care about Goku. Bardock was a bad guy, just like the rest of the Saiyans. He didn't care for Goku because of his low power level and you know Saiyans regard anyone with that level as trash.
I guess Bardock: Father of Goku is to Dragon Ball Super what Genndy Tartakonvsy’s Clone Wars is too Dave Filoni’s Clone Wars. One is more entertaining, while the other fits into the story better
We have to wait until this is animated for all we know once it’s animated it might be one of the best looking things from Dragonball ever
@@JohnWick-qr4yc I can’t wait for the animation
The original Bardock special is more entertaining and makes more sense, you mean. Minus does not fit with the original continuity or themes, and it's a pure Superman rip off and lame.
the bardock special is both more entertaining and fits the story better though.
Bro the jingle at 1:05 hit me right in the nostalgia
Bardock had an earlier design before Bardock: The Father of Goku.
Yeah he did I saw his original design it looks different compared to the one we saw in the special.
He did, but the one we got in the special was only a slight modification of that original one. I like the one we got, but I wouldn't have hated it if we got the original design instead. The hair style was similar enough that you could see the resemblance, kinda like how Gohan's hair when he's a child has a similar spike pattern to it, and you see the same thing in future gohan.
However, I think the choice to give him the same hair as Goku made the story a little more interesting because it gave Freezer the opportunity to recognize Bardock in Goku and have a moment of "oh shit, what have I done?"
My head Canon for goku's personality is that after he was found by Gohan he would've been three, old enough to remember his parents so he rebeled against Gohan and anyone else cause that were strangers , he was still just a baby , he's not gonna be well behaved in a new confusing unknown environment and possibly scared, so when goku hit his head he lost the memory of his parents and sorta imprinted on Gohan. This is the only way the story makes sense to me
yeah that flows logicslly
Goku was born in 734 and Planet Vegeta was destroyed by Frieza in 739. So that means, Goku was five when Grandpa Gohan found him. Gohan got killed when Goku was 8 and Bulma met our protagonist when he was 10/11 years old. I am saying this because he was 13 when he killed the Demon King Piccolo. Also, Goku was 17 when he beat Piccolo Jr.
@@praveenloganathan7495 where is your source for 734, keep seeing 737 for the anime and 736 for the Manga
@@skinnymatt64 DBZ fandom
@@praveenloganathan7495 well I checked the citation it just lead to DragonBall minus which I reread and nowhere in the Manga chapter does it state the date ,
Fantastic video Geekdom. The scouter jingle music from Bardock to separate each part was good. I'll say the same i've said in another video, i love both Bardock versions. I think both bring out a certain relatability, standard to there iteration but one is more raw and the other is more soften up related to the type of writting Akira is used to more than Takao's. Though, knowing the relation Bardock character has with Journey of The West(Explained in the livestream last night) i think this bardock iteration might speak more volumes to people if there's a lens to that novel Akira based all of his characters, included the saiyans.
I kind of like the idea that Bardock is softer because it kind of implies Raditz COULD have been soft and kind (for a Saiyan) like his parents if it weren’t for the influence of Vegeta and Nappa, both before but especially after the destruction of planet Vegeta, which hardened him into the villain we met in DBZ. I know that’s pretty much head-canon but I think that idea retroactively gives Raditz more depth and fits with what we’re learning about Bardock and his family
I watched this special in Japan. I was 5 years old.
I watched the original version of Bardock when I was a little kid and it was amazing.
What's really mind blowing is realizing just how strong the saiyans were especially when transformed, and that if freeza didn't destroy them the saiyans would have took over the universe imo
yeah if 2 saiyans were pain the ass for frieza when they became super saiyans. Now imagine 100 of them all now super saiyan.
Honestly I really do love the newer iterations of Bardock because his motivations are so relatable, it's much easier for me to sympathise with a character with a moral compass than a metaphorical black hole. Old Bardock was definitely more raw and tough but I think the charm for the newer one works super well.
IT ALSO GIVES ME MY BOI LEEK, YESSIR, BEST CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE!!!!!
Yeah but you’re not supposed to relate to a character like bardock you’re supposed to empathize with him.
@@prl4122 I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to relate to someone morally? In terms of background I can understand use of empathy but I'm practically exclusively referring to morals.
@@SirFenV Exactly, I agree 100% it's why I LOVE Meruem, and don't really consider him a "villain", Meruem was practically a new born, a few months old at the most, while not really the same situation, the new Bardock has a shit ton more character, there's more nuance with this Bardock, there's more places you can go with a character like this opposed to the old Bardock. Also, I actually like the armor, I think he kinda looks chic
@@prl4122 and it's far easier to emphasize with someone when you can relate to them.
@@seandobbins2231 let bardock pay bills
Your transition music selection is unrivaled
It's so funny that db fans hate this Bardock just because he saved his son
I don't like it because he more often shown as a good guy.
@@geekhammergamer1438 some of you dragon ball fans complain about everything not being the way you want it to be.
@@GuyVick What a stupid argument you're making. How dare Dragonball fans complain about established lore for over 20 years, the nerve!
@@geekhammergamer1438 Yea Bardock NOT being like Goku was what was so cool about him, it also solidified Goku growing up the way eh did because he hit his head.
@@GuyVick Because some of the things are not good.
Why is adding more layers to a character a bad thing? He still murdered/ helped exterminate countless races in the name of the Cold/Frieza Force and took planets like a space pirate. He was still a bad guy, just not evil.
I love the og Bardock but this new one is appearing to be a more well rounded version of the character, being more than just "another angry saiyan".
I honestly agree. I think people in the fandom, including maybe Geekdom, overlook your comment.
Well said
Fr, this makes much more sense & actually connects Goku with Bardock on how they acted differently than most sayians. It wasn’t just cause Goku hit his head & beacame good, he already had that in him cause his dad. Dragon Ball fandom can be real annoying sometimes
Its dragon ball fanboys , they only care about a character being badass, fighter and power ups
@@gra9 Dragon Ball fanboys are pretty annoying
This doesn’t change the effect that Grandpa Gohan or the Hit on the head had. Bardock even before Gine had her effect on him already like you said had a small measure of humanity towards his companions. Goku is the same way instinctually which is why his companions grow in number. but unlike Bardock thanks to the blow to the head and Grandpa Gohan what he inherited from Bardock could thrive and be cemented by his influences. In dragon ball minus it’s shown that Goku was still aggressive before hitting his head so without hitting his head Goku may have had that deep need to help his companions like Bardock but he would not have been the pure hearted happy go lucky Goku we know today.
@Urban Youth in Dragon Ball Minus and in Dragon Ball Z it's stated that goku was wild and hard to manage before hitting his head. Bardock in the special is slightly different because he only learns to truly care for other saiyans on the battlefield late in the story which is where that famous red bandana scene comes in. but much like goku was domesticated by Grandpa Gohan thanks to the blow to the head Bardock in Minus is slowly domesticated by his wife much like Vegeta and Bulma. this process happened off screen earlier in the story rather then the last minute like the original special. so yes they are different in the sense that the new bardock is more domesticated but that was the ultimate end goal for the original character anyway
@Urban Youth I did not make that up lol 😂 granpa Gohan literally says in minus that is it wasn’t for him being a martial artist he wouldn’t be able to handle Goku lol 😂 If you think that no wonder you are confused. And no it literally ruins nothing because Bardock was also a killer before gyne.. just like Goku would have been without granpa Gohan and just like Vegeta would have been without bulma. It’s a pretty easy concept to grasp.
@Urban Youth also the fact that you bring up raditz not making sense shows how confused you are. Raditz was never domesticated. That’s the difference. How is this hard to understand? They all would have been wild killers without the domestication process.
To me as good as toriyama was in his prime as a writer, he also had a lot of flaws like
1. he doesn't plan anything and write as he goes. this can give very mixed results sometimes good and sometimes bad
2. He is very forgetful and rarely rereads or rewatch his own creation. This results in him just retconning his own work later on that might not be accepted as easily by fans.
"Bardock is a dirtbag" the same Bardock who actively is saddened and enraged about the slaughter of his teammates and vows to avenge them. I swear it's like Bardock doing objectively good things in the original special flies over yalls heads and just doesn't exist. Bardock been fye and gone stay fye
@@jasonone8726 like literally. We at no point see him be unreasonably evil and brutal beyond the general saiyan mercenary culture
I don’t think he’s inherently evil, but I don’t agree with the implication that he’s blameless
That's what has been annoying me as well and just makes me hate DB Minus even more.
@@jasonone8726 he took pride at the fact his crew killed entire civilization without him where as new bardock don't take glee at carnage what so ever.
Original Bardock kills people, and he does it because he's a warrior, he enjoys the fighting as all saiyans do. The only redeeming qualities he had were he cared about his team mates and the future of his race. Geekdom calls him a dirtbag because OG Bardock does not possess any love for the concept of life outside of his saiyan race.
It really does make sense that goku was raging baby because even though he was naturally kind, he was just sent away by his parents and was then alone with a stranger. So when he hit his head he forgot about his parents and he was then his kind self that was became Gohans grandson. Idk how people don't think of this.
I do like the original but this bardock seems like he could be a main character in spinoff prequel. I honestly love the saiyan sections of dragon ball super: broly and want more
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I still prefer DBZ special Bardock
It is completely possible for bardock to make a return...
Also for his character to encompass both the tv special and db minus...
Granted minus is a retcon of the tv special, a retelling could yield all the results and more without changing the new continuity...
It's not really a retcon, because the old special was never part of the main story, besides his death.
Well it could be that Goku MIGHT have remembered his parents cause they were the last people he saw. Once he got out the spaceship he was expecting to see them and not grandpa Gohan which got him to act up the way he did.
I agree that childhood trauma could be invoked as a rationale. Gohan was essentially some stranger that Goku had no trust in at first. He wasn't born an Earthling. He was born a soldier in a galactic army
Drastically different 😩 ! Looking forward to what’s next !
here are my 2 cents and how everyone can accept the story.
1. Bardocks Weakness is not his kindness but that he actually listens to others/noticed the others in other words he is not an asshole egoist like the other saiyans.
2. Goku since a baby was taught for years to destroy the planet but after hitting his head he forgot those teachings instead he learned from Gohan
why are those 2 points important? Because its the difference between Vegeta and Goku when they first met. Goku has listened and learned from many People and Vegeta on the other hand believed to be the Elite and does not need anyone else thus he killed Nappa once he became useless.
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The perfect Bardock is him with dbz outfit,with dbs Broly personality, team Bardock tragedy,sends goku off world, and has his final showdown against Frieza force
@@jasonone8726 team Bardock and his showdown with the Frieza force didn't happen
@@jasonone8726 dude that z outfit is goated
@@jasonone8726 that scene in the Broly movie was not the showdown that he deserved we need the dbz version of that
He may not be able to compete with the characters now but this Dragon Ball Super they’ll find a way to make him be on a level playing field in just 4 months of training
Honestly when it comes to Super Bardock I feel like they try to take the Future Sight but make it a Gut feeling instead.
SSG didn't need to be mentioned but I don't think it heavily takes away at least from the Super-Timeline I just feel it needs more explanation on how Frieza learned of it most saiyans would only know about the Super Saiyan Legend and that used to feel like just a Legend so SSG would be a myth and unseen and unknown to most.
I do have a few things that I feel like Minus and Super kinda did in an overall "Ehhh" way like where it's not completely bad concept wise but the way they ended up doing it was quite Ehhh... Is the only way I can explain it.
Amazing video. 👏
I think Bardock being able to see the doom of the race was a pretty interesting concept. They could have connected the stories by letting Bardock see Goku in the future not bring the typical saiyan but to become so strong, and that would be the reason why Bardock has a change of heart, started doing good things, and then being able to keep his body and train with a Kai because he became good.
The only way Bardock coming back would make sense is if he were a mentor to Goku (and Vegeta) concerning their Saiyan heritage. And the 2 Saiyans fall back on their god training to go back and embrace their Saiyan roots of power again. Broly could then get into the mix since his power of the Saiyans and all 3 of them train with Bardock as an overseer. This could bring SSJ4 back and reset the power scaling somewhat
I predict that Goku, Vegeta and Broly will be on similar levels of power. I think Broly was brought in to tie everything back to the Super Saiyan God legend which Bardock might know about or maybe he IS the SJG since he was pushed through time.
Makes you wonder if Toryama is story telling from some alternate timeline with the DBZ/super story...
Who knows because there are two different versions of Bardock and they are both interesting too.
Personally myself, I really don’t mind Toryiamas Bardock. I really do like that he has a “kind heart” as Vegeta mentioned and that Goku may have gotten that from him (even though he hit his head making him nice😂). I feel like with this Bardock, he has more personality and something more to him. He acts the big nasty guy but behind all that, he’s got a kind nature. Genie is such a lovely person she seems as well. I love the fact we are seeing more story to Gokus parents and I love seeing Gokus reaction to it. I think Goku would absolute love his mother which in a way, is pretty sad because you can see Genie had so much love for him❤️
Vegeta just made an assumption. He doesn’t know goku hit his head as a child’s.
I thought his kind heart was from Gine
@@jasonone8726 Assuming Toriyama remembered that....
Why people still believing that the story of Goku hitting his head still being canon for Akira Toriyama's continuity when it's not more the case?
This bardock has more personality? bruh, original bardock has much more reasonable interactions with his world, and that means pretty much because of his personality and all, the complete reverse situation happens to this new bardock. You can still like him, but some facts have to be exposed.
I want to see dragon ball super version of burdock fighting his way towards frieza
Imo the only real difference between the bardocks was Gine. I mean the new bardock was as much as a murdering psychopath as the old one but the only reason hes had a bit of compassion was because of Gine. That isn't to say that the old bardock didn't have Gine but obviously it didn't have any effect or she died at birth or sum. It's difficult to fit Gine in the bardock special because of her absence. I think some things would have indeed changed in the special but not by much ig that is if she was there.
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My theory is that bardock got ssj during bardock vs gas. similar to lord chilled vs bardock in the non canon special. the death of granolah's mom could've been the trigger because when it happened he did get angry and went for an attack. similar to how he went ssj in the non canon special. I think he is gonna get it thinking about how he couldn't save granolah's mom, whether gas brings it up teasingly or gas overpowers bardock and he thinks about it. Whatever the case, he starts his rant on "if only i was stronger" just like the non canon. thats when it happens, in a fury of rage he goes ssj and defeats gas but obviously doesn't kill. also bardock had a scouter on, if he was stronger than gas and the others he would've just killed them there but he escaped instead. So thats why my theory is super sayian. This could also explain why in the broly movie, bardock is the only one attempting to stop frieza's supernova. obviously he wouldn't be able to control super saiyan but maybe he thought he could tap into it to save his planet but obviously that didnt go out well. Anyways thats my theory, dont make fun of it please im just speaking off of pure prediction
Love the solid state scouter music, so 80s
If only Goku could meet both him and Gine one day somehow.
I like to think that Goku was just acting out because he was a saiyan child, not because he was sent to destroy earth, and bumping his head caused the change.
My thoughts are that Goku knew his parents when he arrived on Earth and upon meeting grandpa Gohan he saw a stranger and knew that he was supposed to subjugate the race so that's why he started to fight. until he fell out Gohan's arms and hit his head and forgot everything, if you look into when Gohan turned into a great ape, because the projection from Goku's Saiyan space pod, you'll see that it had subliminal messages playing to destroy all inhabitants on the Earth. He forgot it on impact. what do you think?
Not only the idea of "inheritance his kindness" is less interesting but it has been proved that the brain has no mechanism to decern that... it is learn through education and human concept, so the word "kindness" is bound to changes...
Geekdom! There’s a page from the original manga where Raditz even said that their parents weren’t like regular saiyans & had hoped Goku was more like him instead of them. So technically this Bardock had seeds planted to grow before the other one was even created.
TOEI's Bardock special is just perfect; the concept of Bardock watching the entire Dragon Ball events up until Frieza's saga because of a "curse", and getting the satisfaction of seeing his son take on the genocidal who wiped his entire race and home planet; the saiyans being absolute assholes (they were esentially genocides at Frieza's command) but not as much as Vegeta, since they actually cared about their friends and family to an extent; the introduction of Vegeta as a sociopathic but very promising child, which would put him miles above Goku regarding power-levels for years; Bardock wearing a cloth that turned red with the blood of one of his buddies, the damn good music...
It's still canon and Toriyama himself retconned it back in the day. Or is Frieza's saga not canon now?
Remember when Vegeta noted Bardock to be a scientist?
Never forget the og goku mom fan designs
Gokus’ mother was never mentioned in the anime special called Bardock The Father of Goku but however many fans did speculate that Fasha was Gokus’ mother but later on but was proven not true. But later on we have Gine in Dragon Ball Minus which is great.
I feel like the two Goku hot takes can be reconciled. He does inherit his fathers kindness, but only through the twist of fate that is hitting his head. At first his saiyan instincts took over, just because his parents had kindness as a trait doesn't mean he was guaranteed to follow suit, right?
Im just glad DB, DBZ, and the original TV specials feel like a complete story to me so that I don't need any further material added to it....(Though Id probably give a Young Roshi Prequel series a chance)
I hate the new Bardock and DBS but I can just ignore it...Dragonball has already given me enough stuff to love that I dont need to worry about the new stuff that they come out with that I dont enjoy.
I’m a little disappointed that Bardock’s confrontation with Frieza wasn’t really elaborated on in the current canon. Do you think Toriyama kept the idea of Bardock fighting Frieza’s men to confront him in his ship more or less the same from the original TV special?
@@jasonone8726 That’s what I meant when it wasn’t elaborated on. The confrontation happens and is there, but the scene just kinda is there. No buildup or setup. Does that mean we just assume the confrontation plays out in (almost) the same way as the Special
@@jasonone8726 I’ve read and owned all the manga, so I am aware. My main focus is that there’s not much motivational reason on Bardock going on a full-blown confrontation against Frieza in Toriyama’s current iteration of the canon. (Also since Toriyama based that panel from the special, Bardock’s design in the original manga is inconsistent now)
At least in the non-canon Special, Bardock’s ability to see in the future and his first hand experience watching his team die at the hands of Dodoria and his men confirms his fears and gives him a clear motivation to fight Frieza. In the current canon, he kinda just has a hunch about Frieza which ends up being true. There’s really no emotional buildup, elaboration, or even a strong personal motivation on why Bardock goes to rebel against Frieza other than to defend his family and race. I know Bardock’s story wasn’t the main focus of the movie, but I really hope they make a full scene of that legendary moment!
@@briankangguitar it happened but the broly movie was going to be 3h long so they had to cut tons of stuff including bardock fighting frieza's army
You didn’t read minus goku was still a wild child before the head bump
Sometimes I like to fuse 2 versions of a character.
Xenoverse 1&2 Bardock is the strongest version of Bardock there is despite the fact that he can transform into Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.
Wow exactly on my 10th birthday Bardock was introduced. What a great bday present that I had no idea existed until years later.
I'm not to bother by Toriyama's take on Bardock. I like how the Broly movie actually expanded his character more from Minus.
What was more complex about him?
@@prl4122 What was so complex about the original Bardock lol?
@@Mandalore_ultimate
He was more original rather than being a Jor el Rip off.
@@truthcrusader360 He's not a complete rip off though since Jor-El is a scientist while Bardock is a low class saiyan warrior that had a soft spot despite still being a bad dude originally.
@@Mandalore_ultimate
Never said anything about him being a “complete rip off”, just basically so.
Most of us OG fans don’t really care for the Humanization/Retconning of what was originally established and canonized in the manga, regardless of things not ever being so simple, even though that’s exactly what DragonBall originally was and we’d like to keep it that way regardless of what it comes off as either “gatekeeping or not appreciating what we’re getting now” even though it’s clearly just lazy writing and more corporate now than ever before since DBS Began.
They ruined all of the main characters and Toriyama has lost his golden touch.
I'm really glad the DB in deafs have subtitles.... 😁
I’m very 50/50 on the new Bardock. There’s some aspects I really enjoy but some I definitely prefer the original Father of Goku Bardock for the most part, but depending on the direction Super takes Minus Bardock I think he has plenty of potential.
@@jasonone8726 I agree I think if they’re going to make Bardock a bit softer than the other Saiyans then that’s the best way they can really do it.
I think depending on the direction they take Bardock he has the potential to become even more awesome than the original, but I have a feeling Super isn’t going to do that.
@@Sci-FiKai dbs is already heading in that direction lol. Imo he’s already better than old bardock. It’s exactly like new broly vs old.
Think of Dragon Ball Super:Broly's version of Bardock and the events of how the Saiyans were destroyed a retconned as a result of Trunks' Time Travel. He creates/enters an alternate timeline when he travels and intervenes. Like Flashpoint, when Barry goes back in time to save his mother, it changes the course of OTHER individuals history, not just his own.
Bardock: The Father of Goku will always be canon to me. Because the story made much sense of how Goku was sent to Earth.
Same here but Toriyama changed it :/ I wish he still had his old battle armour that was so badass
And the red head band when the blood got covered with it
Classic
im glad you make your own canon like everyone else
@@Geekdom101 how big is your "D" Geekdom101
My son is 4 and when it comes to little kids getting hurt or worse, yeah it hits different since he was born. When you talk about Toriyama being different I believe it.
But it also makes his version of Bardock make sense. From Saving Gine > Wife > Father of 2 boys, it feels like a very natural thing when presented with a parent and kid like his own family he might hesitate.
There are definitely things about old Bardock that are cool and interesting. In my head I kind of merge aspects of them.
Actually no. When Goku arrived on Earth. Goku had Saiyan armor and was a bit of a brat. Read the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga. He was not a kind kid at first.
@@jasonone8726 he should not leave things out of the video to fit his narrative
@@jasonone8726 The Toei created anime made that. I'm giving you the manga continuity.
@@jasonone8726I was talking about in Toriyama's events from the Jaco manga, Goku did start as a batty 3 year old. It was shown on panel in the last chapter, when Jaco missed Goku's ship landing.
You said Scholar is referring to DBZ. I said Toei made Z's story.
Epic video big dawg. 🙌 The head bump erased the brainwashing recordings playing in the space pod on the way to earth. 😹
You know what? Even though I love GInes' concept, I can't help but wonder sometimes what would have been thought up for the Bardock Special.
It's like the Elder Kai Beerus Qquestion.
What would have been thought up back then? It really does make me curious, especially now with the different tones of the specials. I want answers, but there are no answers to get.
Would Fasha be Raditz and Kakarots' mother? Or is there just another concept living in the void of Bardocks' original creators' mind?
What would Beerus be if God of Destruction was unveiled in the 90s'? Who was Elder Kai referring to?
So many questions, with no answers possible...Though I have an idea for Beerus at least.
Unlikely Fasha would be Goku's mother since she was there when Goku is mentioned yet no such relationship was hinted at and wouldn't make sense to omit that entirely. Fasha was likely only there because the creators wanted to show a female Saiyan.
In regards to Elder Kaioshin, it's doubtful he was referring to Beerus since he said the bad guy feared Elder Kaioshin's powers, but that wasn't the case with Beerus. Beerus sealed him away because he pissed off Beerus and while it wasn't stated, it can be inferred it was because it was the best way of dealing with Elder Kaioshin, as Beerus couldn't kill him, plus it kept him safe at the time. Who that bad guy was is unknown, if he existed at all, since Elder Kaioshin may have just made it up either due to embarrassment or to hide the existence of Beerus for some reason.
@@seandobbins2231 I wonder if Koyama had a concept floating around his head he just never played with.
Someone needs to ask him one of these days what he would have done.
And Probably, but it does make me curious, If Elder Kai was talking about someone else, I'm curious If Toriyama had any ideas or sketches.
I guess we can look at it as an exhaggeration, since Beerus isn't really evil.
@@Xylospring maybe. All we know from interviews is that they were given a lot of leeway in creating the story and Koyama once asked about the existence of female Saiyans, to which Toriyama was nonchalant and briefly mentioned that there was a female Saiyan (guessing Fasha) in the TV special. Granted, the discussion happened 14 years after the special.
I mean, it's possible Elder Kaioshin was referring to Beerus was just rationalizing to spare embarrassment and talk himself up, but not specify Beerus lest he anger him again. We know Beerus sealed him in the sword so the only way he would've been referring to someone else is if he mixed up some bad guy with Beerus, which might be possible due to his age and how long he was sealed for. Thinking about it more, it's more likely the guy he mentioned was Beerus since he's been known to bend the truth to save face and this would be one of those circumstances.
@@seandobbins2231 Fasha is gokus mother in my mind
Personally I like his old design but i personality wise the 2nd Bardock was better as a caring person
Personally, I don't have a problem with the new Bardock since, let's see, he was established in anime first and then manga and putting the two together like that creates problems. He grew popularly without being introduced to the manga first and that is a problem as to why there is debate on which version of the character you like. And to me, this new version has a lot of potential as a character to see and maybe that's why I feel attracted to this character to see whas he has to show. And yes, the fact that Toriyama has changed a lot from Bardock and Goku due to the years that have passed that changes the perspectives of life, in that I agree has happened to me in similar situations. I am open-minded so I still want to see what is going to be done and at the end I determine if it is good or bad without being tied to past visions.
I completely disagree with you, this Bardock has no potential to become anyway an actual good character because of the ideas the producers has while writting him.
@@jasonone8726 Meh, has no argument and decide to try to offend me. Yes, sadly he's not the same as the old one, because the old one was much more a better character, i am not being fanboy or anything like that, it's just a fact, i like this new version of the character when i do ignore the old one, you can do it too, just accept facts. I never stated he have to be evil to be a good character.
@@jasonone8726 Bruh, rewatch the tv special.
@@branco5455 bruh how? the old one barely had a character till the end of the special
@@branco5455 old Bardock barely had a character
My head canon about Goku being aggressive and hitting his head:
It can be both. He could have been gentle with his Saiyan mom and dad then be aggressive with the unknown old man who found him, grandpa Gohan. Then after he fell and hit his head, that caused him to forget his parents (also how young he was) and after seeing how Gohan took care of him warmed up to him. I mean my two year old doesn't want anything to do with is grandparents when they baby sit... After being with them for a a couple of hours he slowly starts warming up to them.
In my personal head Canon I believe Goku still hit his head but he just forgot who he was and his parents
@@jasonone8726 yes sir
Bardock gaining the power to see different future outcomes is still canon.
I love that in softening Bardock up only a tiny bit, we got a character much like modern Vegeta. Undoubtedly still a dangerous and shitty guy, but with a distinct soft spot for the family he built. I like to think more Saiyans would end up like this if they had more down time at home. (Which might also partially explain why Freeza seemed to keep them away from their home world a lot on active distant missions.)
In a way, that might layer how U6 Saiyans ended up differently from U7.
Great stream last night! I couldn´t join for the whole thing. Are you planning on maybe recording and uploading a few more of those streams? I really enjy them and love talking to you and the fans.......
my personal headcanon is that it is both. He "inherited" kindness from his parents and bumped his head. The headbump just helped calm him down earlier and gave grandpa gohan a chance to nuture the kindness that he potentially had.
Yea i was thinking the same thing. If the space pod that was used to send him away was the typical ones used when they sent babies to conquer planets, then it was the space pod that “reprogrammed” goku to have that viscious instinct. When He bumped his head, he reverted to his normal self. Even Gohan was triggered by that programming in a filler episode of DBZ.
Gohan gave him kindness
Love your stuff. I think you should do a video about how would this change Goku’s brother or why he is so evil compared to Goku and Bardock.
I prefer old Bardock and his story over the new Canon one. Honestly, the new Bardock is story is just so boring and making it out that he was some unique saiyan that passed down his kind heart to Goku takes away from Goku and DB as a whole to me. No hate if you like the new one, we all enjoy DB at the end of the day
I agree, the original Bardock makes more sense, he was a true saiyan that was enlighted the very las moments of his life, he wasn''t Goku. Goku would have ended the very same way if he didn''t receive love from his grandfather.
Man this DBS timeline contradicts Dragon Ball’s(DBZ) so much they couldn’t be the same. I’ll be glad when Goten and Trunks start growing up
to me most of super is lazy writing like if you constantly have to retcon story beads you've already established just to tell your story than your story isn't that good
Can’t wait for the return of dragon ball super🥺, also Love your vid’s geekdom!!
I actually prefer this Bardock over the original don't hate me.
@Blue Demon .
I do like the original bardock better. But the new one is still a badass just has more off a soft side. I think in the most recent chapter of super, goku made bardock softer. It may sound silly but having a child could change a parent making them more kind or soft in this case. Another thing could be that bardock just got tired of killing as he got older and mellowed out as many people tend to do in real life. As long as they don’t say goku inherited his kindness from his parents I feel this bardock will grow on me
@@kj8632 .
The New Bardock is getting more of a background story and it’s great too.
@@henkaistudio I completely agree and I love the direction that Toriyama is taking the character of Bardock.
The way I picture this Bardock is in a similar way to vegeta after Trunks is killed by Cell.
He’s still a proud warrior but he’s gained a new perspective in seeing Goku in his nursing pod (Which is implied to be a pretty rare occurrence for most Saiyans) where he’s not necessarily “Soft” but more sympathetic towards Granola and his mom due to him drawing parallels to his own wife and son.
Bardock is my 2nd favorite character after Trunks. Even though I prefer the og interpretation of him he was a pretty flat character. This new Super take on him is honestly a breathe of fresh air. I actually prefer how the Saiyan's aren't just mindless savages as how they are presented in Z but people with actual feelings and their own view points
Honestly that kinda narrative would be okay if it was any other Saiyan that wasn't related to Goku. Trying to make Bardock special just makes Goku less special
@@webbiefade14 Goku doesn't need to be special. That's not what attracts people to him in story, and a lot of people in reality like him because of his personality and not how special he is as a Saiyan.
@@yumin_pluto558 Goku being a kind purehearted soul that comes from a race of ruthless murderers already makes him special by default, And the lore was literally built upon that specialty so yes it's necessary, For good storytelling purposes at least. His personality is part of that specialty, And the fact that he was supposed to be the polar opposite from birth is a majority of what made him even more likeable.
@@webbiefade14 From birth? No, he's the opposite because of where he was raised and what behaviors were encouraged. If he was good from birth, what stops some of that attitude from being genetic anyway, your wording goes against your own point.
@@yumin_pluto558 polar opposite of what he is now meaning BAD from birth. When did I say good? Lol
Good video, thank you!
To me DBZ is the end of the series, I'm sick of all the small and sometimes bigger retcons and changes to various characters. Like he said, this is a different person whos writing this story compared to the Toriyama of the 80s and 90s.
Bye bye and will see you next month kid 😂
OG Bardock is way better! 1990 ver is always gonna be Bardock real story for me.
I really hate this 2013-2021 Bardock retconned version of the character, mostly cause of the potential of retconning this character and transforming him into much more them what he actually was, not turning him into an powerful character, but explore in many ways this character, something they doesn't, and if you consider they did, well, if they actually did it, it was pretty bad cause i can't even see that as the case.
Tf r u saying?
@@tyrone2423 Read.
@@branco5455 U didn't type that shit correctly.
I have no idea what u mean.
@@tyrone2423 Try.
My personal own theory/headcanon that I like to see in a future as a twist:
Original Bardock was killed by Frieza but sent to the past and became a Super Saiyan battling his ancestor Chilled (from Episode of Bardock). And after his eventual death in the past, his spirit continue to exist like Yamoshi. He is eventually reincarnated as the Toriyama Bardock and the timeline is now the Minus interpretation! The new Bardock inherited his previous incarnation's noble aspects but has no memories of his past self. Some of his actions he does like saving Granolah and his mother was on a inner whim that he himself don't fully understand. It's his past self influence that makes him more kind-hearted, more attentive to his son Kakarot, and more wary of Frieza's genocide plan due to the fear of the Super Saiyan legend in the Broly movie.
To me, Toriyama Bardock's seems to have alot of gutsy feelings about the future, similar to the original's vision powers. This way, both Bardock can be "canon" and everyone is happy. You saw it here first.