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I’ve ran into him a couple times here in SLC. He is an unbelievably strong person. I grew up gay in the LDS church (and that was horrible) so I couldn’t even imagine what it was like for him. Part of the reason I haven’t moved from SLC yet, aside from loving it here, is that I want to continue working with local political and activist groups to take down the Kingston clan through legislation.
@@ethanahmu6149 is there anything people can do to help you, those of us living in different states? I'm a survivor of childhood trauma. Males in a position of power and trust. Jeeze even after all this time I cant type the words out in full detail. Naming it is like summoning a ghost. Anyways, your awesome for taking on this group. Could be saving many from unknown pain and horror. Let us know if we can help some way
@@ethanahmu6149 good for you Ethan! they gotta go those people are hurting people they’re sick abusive people. Salt Lake City is a Beautiful Pl., Utah is a beautiful place but like many beautiful places you can hear the cries of the spirits of boys and girls in the wind and it’s a very sad place. But really that’s our world; you hear those cries in Australia, you hear it in Canada, and in India and Cambodia other places where people in power enslave and traffic children and do very cruel and horrible things to children. And you may not know about the scandals of those places, and Id encourage you to learn about these shameful atrocities. governments, especially here in the rich and powerful west, is good at concealing their evil, including our own government which has actually done terrible things to its own people let alone people in foreign lands. The Men at the top want to own women and they want to abuse girls and they want to conceal it under supposed religious beliefs. I’m gay as well and I grew up in the Roman catholic church I went to 12 years of Catholic school it was a total mindfuck and it took me the next 40 years to unwind from it but they have absolutely no moral authority when their priest abuse children and they don’t do anything about it it’s been going on probably for at least 1000 years. Yeah so stay in Salt Lake City and be a part of the healing! Violence, genocide, inflicting pain on the innocent and the defenseless, and the stealing of resources, and the starvation of people, all these things have been going on forever and it’s just tiring talking about it, But we never give in!what I get encouraged about is seeing the incredible strength of an individual human spirit in surviving those things and freeing one’s self so just remember that they really can’t destroy us.
@Philip Robertson III it's called Stockholm syndrome. Where a captive thinks it is better for them as the captive rather than free though tbh he was raised in the cult so maybe the outside world is a hellscape for him just as we view cults as a hellscape for us. You take someone from the year 4000 and stick them I into todays world they'll probably think it's a hellscape just as you'd probably think it was a hellscape in 1bc/ad
I love that she went up to the father and said “she’s doing amazing and she’s loved” because Priscilla deserves for her value to be shouted from the rooftops. And dads should want to be shouting their daughters value alongside anyone
You're REQUIRED to have a baby EVERY single year. Wtf man. That's why the sister was having such a hard time, her body literally barely recovers before shes forced to push out another one.
Ann Trevino I absolutely hated being pregnant I was miserable and sick beyond belief the whole time. It was hard to even keep up my part time job when I was pregnant I can’t imagine being forced to pop out kid after kid. These radical Mormons are living my personal hell everyday. Incest, polygamy, pedophilia, male domination, cultist idealism, worshiping false idols, forced marriage and childbirth, there is nothing that these people will stop at in order to hide behind the guise of religion. Although America is home to religious freedom I am soooo sick of these cult leaders being protected against criminal repercussions under their right to religious freedom. There is a fine line between organized religion and a dangerous money laundering cult and unfortunately that line is crossed way more often then it should be in America.
There's a famous family in the UK called the Radfords. 1 husband. 1 wife. 22 kids. And before anyone says the dad is evil the mother is actually addicted to being pregnant.
He’s a wounded man AND Ya gotta leave the sick system to get better. My godfather grew up in an orphanage he got married he was a very successful employee of a large aerospace firm he had two beautiful daughters and he died of a heart attack when he was 45. But he never was self pitying and I’m sure the orphanage was horrible. but that’s him and not every person is him I’m just saying that there is hope he can get better for sure he’s got a lot of strength and he’s got some good friends and he’s going to college I am really pleased he sounds more self-confident at the end of the movie when he’s doing his magic you know he’s like really out there in Las Vegas and he’s working it he’s doing good
Joe is now studying in University of Utah. He shd be able to slowly assimilate into mainstream society. I see a bright future for him. Just don't go back to the clan.
At the end he's in Vegas showing a Black woman (aka a queen) a black queen card. He's got a great sense of humor. I don't even have the balls to consider doing that. He's going to do awesome things in his future.
I am so happy for Joe but can we also talk about how amazing his sister is? Married at 16, forced to have one baby every year AND "stay thin", having to go through multiple miscarriages and nearly dying because of it, being attacked by her husband for simply trying to survive... For me, the number one victims of polygamy will always be the women having to fend for themselves and take care of all the children. Some men are sick and use religion as an excuse to control women. She's a hero for leaving with her kids. I wish Vice would have focused a little more on her
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SPEAK ABOUT HER. oh my god when she said he dislocated her jaw, you could feel the raw emotion in her voice even though she seems well. I wanted to reach into the screen and give that woman a hug. tell her how resilient, strong and powerful she is for saving her children but first and foremost herself.
Incest is illegal in the state of utah. This goes to show just how powerful this group is there. Thank you Joe for your courage to share your story. God bless you
Actually incest and inter family marriges are legal so long as both parties are consenting and can prove in court that they cant reproduce. And in Alabama its completely legal
They are not as bad as bad as the vulgar degenerates that hate nature and engage in unatural acts. Those people kill their kids because they forgot to use a condom.
Being millenial male or younger in america thats all of us. The older males run it like a mob bipartisan to keep the youngers from affording any quality home or living wage of themselves. They just underemploy the younger males so the women cant leave the older shitbags.
This young man is incredible. The trauma he endured after his dads coldness and moms passing is serious and he’s a survivor. I’m amazed by his ability to share his experiences so clearly.
Lmao I wouldnt be surprised if that's exactly what he wanted. I mean two brothers from the mormon church, literally went at war against each other over the control of the church around the 80s lol sounds like a criminal syndicate / cartel to me. cuz that how those particular organizations usually operate, take out the boss to become The Boss
@@lennarthagen3638 I wouldn't judge too quickly. Some cult children are sometimes in distress and hurting when neglected. Take Jeff Warren's children for example.
Same. I wonder how/ where he is now.. This stuff makes me cry. Just watching my friends who are LDS (here in Utah) go through a faith crisis is hard. I'm a Never-Mo, though half of my family is LDS. I used to think I had it harder, growing up in a state that was/ still is largely LDS. Having had the time to learn about FLDS and what those who are LDS-questioning go through due to indoctrination, I'm convinced I got lucky. Thank goodness my mom was the black sheep of her family. I had a choice to go to LDS/ Mormon church and to be part of the religion or not. Others aren't so fortunate.
@@lennarthagen3638 you really need to do your research kids like him the boys that you get out usually they’re not ruthless because he would’ve stayed in his ruthless. He would’ve stayed in because now that he’s out of you he’s not protected but most these kids like him what happens usually trying to drugs and stuff because of the trauma they went through boy does not mean he has it been to trauma
Joe is an incredibly resilient, optimistic, intelligent, hard working miracle. This piece left out the most amazing details. Since he left, Joe has tried out for Americas Got Talent, kept a 3.8 GPA in business school at the University of Utah and been accepted to live in the Lassonde Studio for young entrepreneurs next semester. We have the HONOR of being his Host Home while he works 60+ hrs./weekly to earn money for school next semester. We continue to advocate for and create an awareness for these incredible young people who should never be put in these situations. If you are in a position of influence, please do the same and feel free to encourage this young man whom we love so much!!!!
+Christine Marie YOU ARE A WONDERFUL LADY !!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!! YOU ARE DOING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE JUSTICE AFTER SO MUCH INDIGNITY!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
Just out of interest, since you seem so enthusiastic about condemning polygamy... if these people that leave that lifestyle become fornicators, do you condemn that as well? Or does it become an innocuous-sounding stance of "whatever makes them happy"...?
+M tee -- fornication is not a lifestyle, it's a choice. the law condemns polygamy, ethics experts condemn polygamy, the public condemns polygamy, intellectuals condemn polygamy, women living a polygamist lifestyle condemn polygamy (risking everything to sneak off and meet with outsiders to do so, by the way), and women and children who escape the polygamist lifestyle condemn polygamy. you do the math.
Joe is a hired shill. He is there to break the back of White Christians. The new overlords will bring back slave markets and public executions. Look up Saudi Arabia and Lybian slaves.
Being millenial male or younger in america thats all of us. The older males run it like a mob bipartisan to keep the youngers from affording any quality home or living wage of themselves. They just underemploy the younger males so the women cant leave the older shitbags.
13 siblings is already a barely feasible number for one person, 157 is downright absurd even if the guy has had 14 wives (I had to look it up). How do you even have time to cause 157 pregnancies? Joe's dad, based on the info I could find, is in his 70's now. Even assuming Ortell got him hitched promptly at 18, that's an outrageous number of kids to have in probably less than 50 years (since Joe has said in interviews that his dad may have had more children since he left, so that 157 isn't his lifetime total).
for all the people wondering he turned out pretty good. Major in finance and minor in maths at the university of utah, built a business doing magic tricks, which supported him financially and even got a scholarship after performing magic for an insurance board which helped him through college. He landed a great job at a bank in Salt Lake city. Pretty sure thats what we call a sucess story :)
@@thegreatgatsby8180 you should read up more on religions before shitting on them. At the end of the day there is no god from any religion so it doesn't matter arguing about which ones the "correct" one, instead allow people to have alternative views as long as it doesn't harm anyone or break any laws
Thanks for the info ! I went and subscribed to his TH-cam channel too. Hopefully more people go subscribe and maybe he can get paid for his TH-cam videos. Just trying to help any way I can lol
I love the way Priscilla's dad said that he told her it was her choice if she chose to leave or not for those of us who used to watch the show escaping polygamy when we watched that poor girl flee in the night in tears petrified of her father it didn't really seem like he was giving her much of a choice
religion and cults are the same. Only one is accepted by a large group of people. you can't make one illegal without making the other illegal. Try making all religions illegal. I dare you to see how long until your head is on a pike.
all the protesters are talking about "its our choice" "well when youre an adult and you can make your own choices.." what about those 15 year old "wives" that were forced to "marry" men that were sometimes old enough to be their grandfathers and have a baby yearly? where was their freedom of choice?
What about the ones that aren't 15, but fully adult? If your real problem is with age then focus on that problem, but the two aren't mutually exclusive
You can easily outlaw that, without telling them they have to live like you think it should be lived. It's disgusting to mess with marry or touch a child but grown adults should be able to chose who and how many they want to marry. I would never do it but it's not my right to say they can't
@Anna Dayton: Like Nietzsche may have pointed out: religious people say that they have virtue due to their relationship to their religion, where actually they are weak and their virtue isn't naturally concluded by everyone but instead they are said to be virtuous due to the religion they constructed. Religion and cults made to make weak, pathetic guys look better than noble, strong, good, or superior guys.
Polygamy is just being married to more than one person. It doesn't necessarily have to be non-consensual, include children, or other cult like behavior.
Yea no kidding that makes me sick. I wish I could bring that kid to California and put him up on my couch or spare room for free and let him live a normal blessed life and get a job etc...
+Jason Rentaponga lol yeah. I am still living in Utah. but I have met some very awesome, loving people that are helping me so much. thank you, it means a lot to me.
It's basically like how cannibalism is illegal but you cannot be charged with cannibalism in a court as no laws forbid it. It's kinda a grey area people don't like to talk about. Like how underage sex is illegal but kids still have sex and everyone knows it happens but no child is charge with underage sex.
Under age sex of two ppl consenting and both under 18 is legal in the lawbooks. As well as a romeo and juliet law in multiple states that allow one party over 18 as long as they are within 2 yrs age of each other. I was young and dating an older girl before
i wasn’t actually aware that practices like this were still present even till this day, Joe clearly seems traumatised and it’s obviously going to take more than decades to fully heal. the fact the he had to go through this and will still continue to carry this burden on his shoulder is terrifying.
I love how the polygamous people are fighting for their right to choose they're kind of marriage but yet the women don't get to choose anything. They definitely should not have the right to be forcing all these young women into a marriage with a man who already has plenty of other wifes. Its truly just so sad.
@sam trzupek and I get that I've watched this fucked up shit and I've watched shows that show the great things about polygamy as well. And I'm not against polygamy when its the person/peoples choice to do so but I don't agree with what these people are doing in this video
@Emily trzupek polygamy is inheritly relgious and coerecive because you coerced too for the sake of religon. polyamory is consensual polyamory without coercian with all parties being polyamorous individuals
Seeing him at the end, going up to people and having the confidence to ask if they want to see a magic trick made my heart so happy. It's so nice to see him happy after going through all the horrible stuff he did.
He probably doesn’t. You can watch Escaping Polygamy about how three of his daughters who have escaped help others do the same. But in one episode some daughter mentions he can’t even spell her name right on legal documents.
So his parents are half siblings? And then his crazy father sold his mother on some crack pot treatment and got her killed? Then essentially disowned him? Wow, I'm sure Jesus woulda loved that.
They don't follow the teaching of Jesus. They believe in some crazy stuff. Any denomination or religion that has tax exempt status and filthy rich leaders is a huge red flag. Why our Government allows it is beyond me. Maybe it's cause they are all in cahoots. Just look at Utahs former senator.
So let me get this straight, a woman has to: -have a baby every year -stay skinny -pay all the bills - and keep up the household all by your self?! That’s just 🤯🤯🤯 Im surprised it’s not more women leaving because this goes beyond 2 or three sister wives with about 8 kids.
Ive never understood either. Had a gf that was molested and her responses to things were opposite of what you would expect. Got a sense of how deep the rabbit hole went when she wanted a 3 some, but she was 19 me 21 and she was looking at jr high aged girls. I offered help but as I man I can only understand so well.
They see the mansions acquired through the previous victims and get super horny. Its a similar concept to men who sell pickup artistry or get rich quick books and make a fortune.
Idk, I got a creepy vibe from her. Like when she's quoting Houdini, and she says "I just think that's the most perfect way to say it, ISN'T IT?" Like dude, you're talking about being an advocate for kids escaping a cult, but you're feeding them cues like that? It doesn't take a psychologist to know that's a little disturbing. I mean, she's likely better support than these kids families were, I agree... but not all "caring" people are altruistic, some people can put a lot of hidden expecations on the people that they're "helping," ...like unquestioning agreement, loyalty, ect...
I am so proud of Joe! Not only did have the courage to tell his difficult story, but he has also accomplished so, so much - against all odds - since he left the group. He is putting himself through college with a near 4.0 average, and he works hard at a job too. Thank you to all of you who leave words of encouragement and support for this young man, and for Priscilla too - who is in beauty school now. Thank you one and all for your kindness and positivity. Your positive words help others who are still entrapped feel a sense of hope and perhaps even find the courage to follow in the footsteps of Joe and Priscilla.
Keep fighting the good fight Christine. The silent righteous of this world are with you, though we are in the ultimate Kali Yuga, where dharma is crooked and the truly wicked rule this Earth.
The sisters story about losing her baby then not being able to get medical assistance for so long is horrific. Any woman who has experienced anything in pregnancy like this will understand how the body remembers. That broke my heart hearing that. She is an incredibly strong woman and an amazing mother.
Right when she said the magic tea didn't work , n her husband beat her because she called the doctors to get the baby out I can't imagine how the hell she felt being beating n a baby in her that can't n won't come out , like damn I'm gonna die an just expecting death coming to her , then boom that light came up and out and said enough was enough n I'm proud of her. That moment she realized that was not the life style she wanted
13:06 the father claims that he gave his daughter the free will choice to leave or to stay. However, he permanently banned her from associating with anyone in the clan should she go. What manipulation; Very abusive and wrong.
Also if I am remembering correctly she had to sneak out because she was 17 when she left and had to cross state lines so they wouldn't send her back to her family.
I'm glad the father told him to leave. He inadvertently freed Joe. I wish all the best for him. Hopefully he will meet a plenty of nice, caring people who will show that life has much more positive sides to it.
Joe's physically out and thats a massive part of it but you can see just in his body language, he still isn't entirely free. When you have known nothing else your whole life, it's the psychological abuse that is the hardest to be rid of. I feel for you Joe and wish you ll the very best.
This video neglected to mention that the father "freed" Joe for the same reason that ALL of these polygamist cults drive out most of their young men: in order to have more young girls for themselves. These young men are called "the lost boys of polygamy" and they are legion around the world. Nature makes half the people male and half the people female. The only way a man can have 13 wives is to deprive 12 men of a wife, more or less. It's baked into polygamy that a large percentage of men go their entire lives without being able to marry and father children.
Maybe in a perfect world , but not in this one I feel so bad that you can break your “family members jaw “ or make them pay for your dead mothers belongings it says we LOVE family but how do you love anything if not your own son or daughter or wife - that’s not Love
I grew up in northern Utah and lived a few houses away from a family who were Kingston’s. I have no idea how involved they were in the Kingston clan. Their 2 sons, who were a couple years older than me were toddler sized when they were full grown adults. The rumor/story around town was that they had those disabilities due to incest.
There were a couple times when I was watching the "Escaping Polygamy" series recently where I recognized a lot of places. ie, there's a scene where the girls are driving to / from the Davis County Health department. They drove right by my street. It was weird to see. I mean, I knew the Jeffs types were around (I glimpsed a few at WalMart years ago) but didn't know about the Kingstons. I mentioned it to some friends (the series) and found out that one of them used to work at a daycare with some Kingston children.
I just watched Priscilla's episode of Escaping Polygamy and she said she tried to run away twice. The second time she got caught, her father told the leader and they had her sent to an institution on a lockdown unit. So to see him in this video saying he gave her the choice to leave is turning my stomach. The girl literally had to sneak out in the middle of the night and RUN from her family. And the messed up part about all of this is that they KNOW better. If they didn't they wouldn't go through the trouble of keeping everything a secret, lying and keeping their pregnant wives away from hospitals when they really need professional healthcare. If they truly believed in this crap, why would they feel any shame? I can't even imagine being apart of something so evil. They're nothing but manipulative, wife-beating, incestuous child molesters. All of these men should be rotting in jail somewhere. And they have the nerve to bring God into this. They're delusional if they think that all the sins they've committed are going to land them anywhere but Hell.
Karen Jackson I know several Jehova's Witnesses in my country, and they have religious reasons for not doing some common healthcare-related actions. For example, they don't agree to blood transfusions because they believe the soul resides in the blood. Mixing souls is a pretty straightforward issue if you have a belief like that. I'm not familiar with Mormons, but I assume the primary reason for avoiding modern healthcare is for similar reasons.
The religious reason for not getting vaccinations or blood transfusions etc. for Jehova's Witnesses is that they believe the soul exists in the blood, not that God will heal them. Belief in religious healing within Christian-derived sects isn't uncommon, but it's quite rarely used as a complete substitute for medicine. The communities are generally small and tight-knit, so the pressure from the private sphere is immense on the victims, and the victims often believe the consequences for involving the public sphere is worse than the alternative. This is presuming the victims even feel like, or are in actuality, victims in the first place, which isn't always the case.
my auntie is a Jehovah's witness and she killed her daughter by not allowing a blood transfusion she as far as all our family are concerned MURDERED her daughter all for an invisible fairy tale what kind of mother does that what kind of kind hearted supposed god allows people to die from something so simple as needing blood all religions are cults and they all need outlawing she refused to sign the papers refused to give consent therefore she MURDERED my cousin
Tripticket you can still go to the hospital if you need a transfusion. We use alternatives to blood transfusion for our patients who are Jehova’s Witness. It’s a longer and harder recovery but we essentially support the body’s recovery with medications and supplement so that the patient speeds up their own’s body’s production of red blood cells. Like i said, its a longer recovery since we’re not immediately replacing blood. But it’s still safer since your being monitored 24/7 rather than being cared for at home. There’s limits to how much care a handful of people can give versus 20-30 people workinf around the clock to make sure you get back home safely. There have even been Jehova’s Witness patients who reserve their own blood for later use in their upcoming surgery. But yeah, let your Jehova’s Witness friends know that they dont have to receive blood in order to bolster the red blood cell and hemoglobin supply in their body
That was truly sad. Even worse they sold all of his mothers belongings and said that if he wants anything of hers then he has to pay for it? That's so fucked up :/
My grandfather was raised in a rival clan to the Kingstons. I am so grateful that he had the courage and foresight to leave. His brother who stayed, was murdered by Ervil Lebaron in the 70s. I could have very easily been in the same situation as Joe if my grandfather had not done the right thing. I firmly believe in freedom of religion, but this isn't religion.
They should'nt recriminalize polygamy... They should impose that fathers are to 1) financially provide equally to all their children and, 2) each child should be provided a minimal amount of money, based on the same rates as child-support in divorces. Polygamy would disappear over night! It's easy to have 15 wives, when you're a deadbeat dad...
Shayna Richardson I believe the non-religious ones prefer the term polyamorous, as a means of distancing themselves from these kinds of relationships. The dynamic in polygamous relationships is VERY different from polyamorous ones. Polyamorous relationships don’t tend to produce lots of kids like this, and the partners are on an equal footing - both women and men are allowed to have multiple relationships. Also, there’s usually a main couple (man and woman), and they both have sort of side girlfriends or boyfriends (or share one)!
@@datgurl12121 No problem. Also, to clarify, in polyamorous relationships, the "side" boyfriends and girlfriends can also have a main partner, or side partners. I should also have clarified that the main couple doesn't necessarily have to be a man and a woman. LGBT people have polyamorous relationships too. I'm not sure why I wrote "man and woman" lol. This is what happens when I write a comment while also watching the video and multitasking. XD
My jaw absolutely dropped when she said that women are required to have children every year. This is so sad that they exploit these young girls and abuse everyone.
When she said they had to be skinny while being pregnant every year , took me out n she stated the dad broke her jaw when she left that life style fucking sad
@Iconoclast If they did this in ancient Egypt, could you call it the...... Ultimate Pyramid Scheme? ... too late to the comment to rake in the pity likes/laughs/groans, but i'm still pleased with that one 😂
The order of the family keeps business as usual by monetizing everything and taxing their own population just like the US federal government who claims to have made you free from the opression of the British colonial as of July 4, 1776 yet simply substitute the roles of the Brits themselves. So nothing is new under the sun.
A lot of other religions are about money as well. Polygamy is practiced in another major religion as well as marry cousins and women at 15 yrs old. This is out in the open.
To be fair, if his parents didn't carry any scary recessive genetic timebombs, he might be just fine. And in that case, he would've been psychologically better off not knowing. Even if they do - in his shoes, I'd rather a doctor just figure it out and give me an "out of the blue" diagnostic. No one should have to live with that knowledge, all their lives..
You can just hear the pain in this boy voice!! He needs his dad the most right now & he treated him like that!! I hope he stays far away from the ordered and has a good life down the line away from that leader& the clan💙
You can tell in the way these former Kingston clan members talk that they suffer some sort of shared trauma or ptsd. Their speech is broken like their view on life. It’s so sad. But they are recovering and now living their own lives. I wish them the best in what they do. I thank them for raising awareness about an issue I’ve never heard about before. More people should know about this
@@rcair123 pretty sure our algorithms linked up i JUST finished bingeing the turpin family case and yeah, i agree, they seem just as traumatized and it pretty much reads similar too, both cases have the 'powerful' parental figures brainwash their many many kids that contradicting them is against the religion while abusing them emotionally
At 11:30 Christine so right, this lifestyle choice is imposed on the children. They are forced into this. They have no choice. They never asked for this. This is true with every child born, but this extreme family situation seems cruel to the children.
This is the first documentary I've seen that accurately confronts the whole lack of a comfort zone the second you get out. You have /nothing/ familiar apart from maybe music, TV shows, books. Meals. Stuff like that. You're immediately thrown into trying to be a "normal person" and it's incredibly scary. And every time you screw it up and fail at passing as a "normal person" (I'm talking something as minor as being judged for mixing two actors up) you immediately have that urge to just go back because you feel like "normal life" just isn't for you and you're not good enough for it and that your failure is somehow proof that you don't belong in the normal world. A lot of times, too, you've lived a double life. You've played a different character, a persona you were TOLD by these people to have (so you wouldn't get anyone in shit) for so long, that you're not even sure who you are and that's how mental illness kicks you in the ass. You're told to say, you're just sick a lot and that's why you miss school so much, when really, you weren't allowed to go until you didn't have any bruises. You're told to tell teachers the extended family contacts on your file are just really hard to reach and they'll back that claim up to hell and back if a teacher comes calling. You're told to play up that you're a klutz, you're not that smart, you don't give a crap about school, so people don't question your shitty grades or how you always seem to have one bruise that won't go away. I started to believe that I /wasn't/ smart, that I /wasn't/ coordinated, that I /didn't/ care about school, when the opposite was true during childhood. I started to believe that I wasn't worth a damn. You don't ever fully leave that mindset. You never fully disbelieve what you were raised to "know" about yourself. To this day other people know me better than I do because I don't really know how to read myself, only other people. Because I had to anticipate their reaction, the slightest change in their eyes or tensing of their posture. I was running on autopilot just from the mental resources needed for constant hypervigilance. My story didn't involve polygamy (that I knew of, not that there was anything explicitly against it - it just was never really talked about outside of others in other far-away places) or incest at all, but it was so fucking similar that I'm just - I'm having chest pains from how much of a stress and anxiety response my body is having to this documentary. Just out of fear. Out of truth, really. It wasn't Mormonism, it was sort of an off-label version of Free Evangelism, the "free" meaning they felt they didn't answer to the government and that the government had no jurisdiction over anything that they did or believed. They convert you around four or five and by twelve to fourteen you're "ready". It also has its claws deep in my region of the world. Teachers, businesses, doctors - every place you go has someone who is a part of this (not that they'd let just anybody know that, professionally). I couldn't even leave the house for a very long time. I try to talk about it in my writing and films, fictionally, just because I can't talk about it out loud yet without feeling like I'm going to implode. There is too much truth in this documentary for me not to be scared, because I'd be fucking terrified to talk about anything like that on camera knowing how many people could possibly see it.
thank you for your comment. I this documentary was very real. I could not believe that had the part when there was order people protesting in the video. in the same room as me. that was the hardest part for me. I actually left and was like nope I can't go in there. no way, and when I did go in I made sure none of them seen me.
She’s so right. You also leave the very beautiful things: community support, big family, loved ones, traditions, etc. that may not be accessible or valued in ‘the world’ and that is very hard. You’re separated from what you love, memories, etc and it’s very hard to extract that, separate the good from the bad etc.
They screw up his brain these religion are cults they should not exist in our so called modern world. Legalized inbreeding is not good for society and making you children slave to thier fathers is a sick thing to do to anybody. THAT IS WHY AMERICAN IS SO BACKWARD AND IT BASED ON JEWDAO CHRISTIAN LAW WE PRACTICE IN AMERICA.
This is not the only daughter John Daniel Kingston beat. Watch Escaping Polygamy. The 3 main girls of the show are also John Daniel Kington's by 2 different wives and I know he beat 1 of them so bad, CPS got involved and the courts. She was actually adopted by a non polygamist family and is now trying to save other girls from the clan.
A father dislocating his daughters jaw is criminal, and should be dealt with by the law no matter where you came from. I came from a much less violent polygamist group. We were taught that a man that acted this way to his family was practicing unrighteous dominion. It's just horrible. This dad's day of reckoning will come, and he will feel very small and ashamed. You reap what you sow.
If you marry a bunch of women then at least take care of them financially, especially if you expect them to pop out a baby annually. Sounds to me like these women get all the negatives of being a single parent e.g. hardships, loneliness and absent father, without the positives e.g. freedom to do what you want with yourself and freedom to raise your kids how you want.
you just wrote "to stupid" .... Its "too". You understand how stupid you look for doing that right? Its like irony in its purest form. Also, these women are brainwashed, they aren't stupid. Their beliefs are like a religion in the sense that you cant tell someone their stupid for believing in something you were raised into. Say you are a Christian, and someone from a different religion says youre stupid for being that. Its what you were raised into. What someone thinks is stupid, is normal for others. I think polygamy is wrong btw. But don't say these women are stupid when they are struggling so hard, im mean, YOURE A WOMAN. You should feel for them and how these men take advantage of them. If youre going to be mad at someone, at least be angry at the men... smh
Tazia Jones Its funny because you have this tone like im disagreeing with you, when we obviously feel the same way about everything but you want tell them they are stupid. Telling someone they are stupid for what they believe is just the wrong way to go about it. You are immediately putting them down and making them feel like shit about themselves. Obviously they know that something is wrong because literally everyone is telling them that who isn't in their own circle. This is why I say they are brainwashed. When you know something isn't right but you do it anyways because a part of you thinks it is what you should be doing (because so many people told you so), that is called being brainwashed. If you had a child, and they were positive that polygamy was right, would you just call her stupid? My point is, I agree with you on how believe what you truly believe and be your own person, don't let people choose your path, but treat these people with compassion just like your own family. Just like drug addicts, they aren't dumb for having an addiction. It isn't always black and white like that, there are sooo many factors involved. Back in the day, they treated people with addictions like sick people, not criminals. We should treat these people the same way, not call them stupid for their beliefs. What if someone said youre an idiot for believing reincarnation? Chances are, that person doesn't understand the idea of reincarnation but they come at you like they are sure of it. Then who is the idiot?
+Ramon Crespo I understand what you are saying , but any woman who alows her 12 or 13 year old daughter to be married to a man 4 times her age without thinking that something is wrong is an idiot. these women convince themselves that they ate victims. I don't sympathise with that my dear
These plural family structures are abusive to women and children. (Also, gay people don’t choose to be gay. I love how that’s brought out as a defense, as if they would be for gay marriage in any universe.)
The woman with glasses said something kind of interesting that I agree with, but also unwittingly shines light on an issue we are grappling with today, seven years after this film was made. In response to the man who said that polygamists should have the right to, as adults, to form their own families (and, if you believe gay marriage should be legal then you should agree that this guy is 100% correct about polygamy), the woman pointed out, correctly, that kids under 18 should be protected from having to enter into a polygamous marriage. But what if they want to? What if a girl aged 15, 14, 13, is all about her clan wants to continue in the polygamy life decided SHE is okay with it? If you say, “absolutely not” then why not? And if that is your stance on underage kids willingly participating in polygamy, do those same reasons apply to an underage kid choosing to have “gender-affirming care”?
Ironic how the Mormon Polygamists say they should have the right to form their families how they choose, yet they want to bar gay people from being married and adopting children.
8:34 I really agreed with her on this one because not every aspect of something can be deemed evil just because a lot of aspects seem to have red flags
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these guys are all take care of their children you should focus on the black people do not take care of their kids
@@fredtellowhat did we do? 💀
They talked his mom out of treatment and she died, then they sold all her belongings and kicked him out? I just want to hug him omg.
I’ve ran into him a couple times here in SLC. He is an unbelievably strong person. I grew up gay in the LDS church (and that was horrible) so I couldn’t even imagine what it was like for him. Part of the reason I haven’t moved from SLC yet, aside from loving it here, is that I want to continue working with local political and activist groups to take down the Kingston clan through legislation.
@@ethanahmu6149 good luck to you man. Seriously 👍
@@ethanahmu6149 is there anything people can do to help you, those of us living in different states? I'm a survivor of childhood trauma. Males in a position of power and trust. Jeeze even after all this time I cant type the words out in full detail. Naming it is like summoning a ghost. Anyways, your awesome for taking on this group. Could be saving many from unknown pain and horror. Let us know if we can help some way
The guys at the top are just really thuggish criminal self important use everybody else as objects are cruel- they run the religious group?
@@ethanahmu6149 good for you Ethan! they gotta go those people are hurting people they’re sick abusive people. Salt Lake City is a Beautiful Pl., Utah is a beautiful place but like many beautiful places you can hear the cries of the spirits of boys and girls in the wind and it’s a very sad place. But really that’s our world; you hear those cries in Australia, you hear it in Canada, and in India and Cambodia other places where people in power enslave and traffic children and do very cruel and horrible things to children. And you may not know about the scandals of those places, and Id encourage you to learn about these shameful atrocities. governments, especially here in the rich and powerful west, is good at concealing their evil, including our own government which has actually done terrible things to its own people let alone people in foreign lands. The Men at the top want to own women and they want to abuse girls and they want to conceal it under supposed religious beliefs. I’m gay as well and I grew up in the Roman catholic church I went to 12 years of Catholic school it was a total mindfuck and it took me the next 40 years to unwind from it but they have absolutely no moral authority when their priest abuse children and they don’t do anything about it it’s been going on probably for at least 1000 years. Yeah so stay in Salt Lake City and be a part of the healing! Violence, genocide, inflicting pain on the innocent and the defenseless, and the stealing of resources, and the starvation of people, all these things have been going on forever and it’s just tiring talking about it, But we never give in!what I get encouraged about is seeing the incredible strength of an individual human spirit in surviving those things and freeing one’s self so just remember that they really can’t destroy us.
Everyone is speaking about polygamy but im even more shocked by the INCEST! Hell!
ssissi gui Its biblical, read kjv not Mormon.
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Why r u shocked? These christian cults are known for shits like this.
@@RonLarhz Mormon not Christian
@@arkham661
Yes they r. Just another branch of christianity. Still based off Bible.
@@RonLarhz yea my mistake
Kid was left with nothing but a BELL and the “father” said you have to pay A $2- $5,000 FEE To come back?!? Disgusting
Philip Robertson III mental abuse is very serious poor kid
Philip Robertson III probably own the the whole town Nd some Nd he’s on the shit list, probably make it hard for them to get work once they leave.
Melly Mel I think he just wants to see his siblings
@Philip Robertson III it's called Stockholm syndrome. Where a captive thinks it is better for them as the captive rather than free though tbh he was raised in the cult so maybe the outside world is a hellscape for him just as we view cults as a hellscape for us. You take someone from the year 4000 and stick them I into todays world they'll probably think it's a hellscape just as you'd probably think it was a hellscape in 1bc/ad
Melly Mel Truly monstrous “father”.
I love that she went up to the father and said “she’s doing amazing and she’s loved” because Priscilla deserves for her value to be shouted from the rooftops. And dads should want to be shouting their daughters value alongside anyone
“My mom and dad have the same father” thats haunting
Wow I am sorry you were brought into that blasphemy situation. May God bless you.
@@aushaheart8258 I think she was referring to what Joe said
@Nibbler800 Mormon's don't worship the same god from the OT. Research it. It's a cult.
@Angelo River You can call them extremists but it's in the LDS doctrine as well as Smith the founder practiced polygamy.
So was Smith an extremist?
@@l.r.6630 lds don’t practice polygamy
You're REQUIRED to have a baby EVERY single year. Wtf man. That's why the sister was having such a hard time, her body literally barely recovers before shes forced to push out another one.
Ann Trevino I absolutely hated being pregnant I was miserable and sick beyond belief the whole time. It was hard to even keep up my part time job when I was pregnant I can’t imagine being forced to pop out kid after kid. These radical Mormons are living my personal hell everyday. Incest, polygamy, pedophilia, male domination, cultist idealism, worshiping false idols, forced marriage and childbirth, there is nothing that these people will stop at in order to hide behind the guise of religion. Although America is home to religious freedom I am soooo sick of these cult leaders being protected against criminal repercussions under their right to religious freedom. There is a fine line between organized religion and a dangerous money laundering cult and unfortunately that line is crossed way more often then it should be in America.
There's a famous family in the UK called the Radfords. 1 husband. 1 wife. 22 kids. And before anyone says the dad is evil the mother is actually addicted to being pregnant.
I cannot even imagine. Labor is HARD. SO HARD.
@Cannon Fodder no it can be for some people
@Cannon Fodder that's not dramatic XD
He’s so abused you can see it in his eyes
My heart is touched by his pain. He tries to keep his tears back.
I know I see it heart breaking
He’s a wounded man AND Ya gotta leave the sick system to get better. My godfather grew up in an orphanage he got married he was a very successful employee of a large aerospace firm he had two beautiful daughters and he died of a heart attack when he was 45. But he never was self pitying and I’m sure the orphanage was horrible. but that’s him and not every person is him I’m just saying that there is hope he can get better for sure he’s got a lot of strength and he’s got some good friends and he’s going to college I am really pleased he sounds more self-confident at the end of the movie when he’s doing his magic you know he’s like really out there in Las Vegas and he’s working it he’s doing good
They all are.
he doesn't know what to think they made him lost in a sense
Joe is now studying in University of Utah. He shd be able to slowly assimilate into mainstream society. I see a bright future for him. Just don't go back to the clan.
Glad to learn that, thankyou.
I want to hug that lad and tell him everything will be okay. I hope Joe is feeling better and his life is back on track.
At the end he's in Vegas showing a Black woman (aka a queen) a black queen card. He's got a great sense of humor. I don't even have the balls to consider doing that. He's going to do awesome things in his future.
Joe a really cool and great looking guy❤....he has some newer videos out and stuff now in 2024😊
I am so happy for Joe but can we also talk about how amazing his sister is? Married at 16, forced to have one baby every year AND "stay thin", having to go through multiple miscarriages and nearly dying because of it, being attacked by her husband for simply trying to survive... For me, the number one victims of polygamy will always be the women having to fend for themselves and take care of all the children. Some men are sick and use religion as an excuse to control women. She's a hero for leaving with her kids. I wish Vice would have focused a little more on her
All these woman apply for social assistance as single mothers. Do the math
Anya Walsh u r right
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SPEAK ABOUT HER. oh my god when she said he dislocated her jaw, you could feel the raw emotion in her voice even though she seems well. I wanted to reach into the screen and give that woman a hug. tell her how resilient, strong and powerful she is for saving her children but first and foremost herself.
I hope her current husband tells her everyday.
A hero. I don't understand how timide u most be 2 keep up with a guy who forces u 2 have all these kids with him.
Incest is illegal in the state of utah. This goes to show just how powerful this group is there. Thank you Joe for your courage to share your story. God bless you
Powerful or just privileged
@@tahaquoancient8169 yes indeed. unfortunately the privileged hold quite a bit of it in this plane.
Wait incest is illegal? I thought it was immoral, but never knew it was illegal.
They are obviously paying off "the right people " there so that they are free to do as they please :/
Actually incest and inter family marriges are legal so long as both parties are consenting and can prove in court that they cant reproduce. And in Alabama its completely legal
His pain in the beginning interview portion is heart wrenching
And boring.
Chloe Chamberlain Terribly Sad.😭😭😭
They are not as bad as bad as the vulgar degenerates that hate nature and engage in unatural acts. Those people kill their kids because they forgot to use a condom.
@@frankman7384 wow, you seem fun. Who are these degenerates and why are they degenerates?
Being millenial male or younger in america thats all of us. The older males run it like a mob bipartisan to keep the youngers from affording any quality home or living wage of themselves. They just underemploy the younger males so the women cant leave the older shitbags.
This young man is incredible. The trauma he endured after his dads coldness and moms passing is serious and he’s a survivor. I’m amazed by his ability to share his experiences so clearly.
They let him mom died it's sad
13 siblings on “mom’s” side, 160+ “on dad’s” WTF
I'm assuming the dad had about 12 wives if each wife had roughly 13 children.
Jennifer R Smith came here to say this. THEN I hear this kid say his mom and dad have the same father😳
That's what I said out loud here sitting alone
John Daniel Kingston has 14 wives and almost 200 kids
One child every year
I feel so bad for Joe he is clearly traumatized.
He is doing allot better now :) I just did an update on him on my chanel if your interested in watching💕
@@TheAmandaRaeGrant thank you for helping him 😘
@waffeltek He should go in the military and get all that BS out of his mind!
dannyv2468va2 By adding more trauma or putting it into anger & having a gun? Lmao aight
I just want to give him a hug
He never wanted to be a father, he wanted to be a man who bred his own army, his own slaves.
Lmao I wouldnt be surprised if that's exactly what he wanted. I mean two brothers from the mormon church, literally went at war against each other over the control of the church around the 80s lol sounds like a criminal syndicate / cartel to me. cuz that how those particular organizations usually operate, take out the boss to become The Boss
E labaron ?
My heart breaks for Joe. He seems like such a gentle soul. I hope he is doing well.
You dont know that he might have been ruthless asf when he was in the cult
@@lennarthagen3638 I wouldn't judge too quickly. Some cult children are sometimes in distress and hurting when neglected.
Take Jeff Warren's children for example.
Same. I wonder how/ where he is now.. This stuff makes me cry. Just watching my friends who are LDS (here in Utah) go through a faith crisis is hard. I'm a Never-Mo, though half of my family is LDS. I used to think I had it harder, growing up in a state that was/ still is largely LDS. Having had the time to learn about FLDS and what those who are LDS-questioning go through due to indoctrination, I'm convinced I got lucky. Thank goodness my mom was the black sheep of her family. I had a choice to go to LDS/ Mormon church and to be part of the religion or not. Others aren't so fortunate.
@@lennarthagen3638 you really need to do your research kids like him the boys that you get out usually they’re not ruthless because he would’ve stayed in his ruthless. He would’ve stayed in because now that he’s out of you he’s not protected but most these kids like him what happens usually trying to drugs and stuff because of the trauma they went through boy does not mean he has it been to trauma
@JustJ-Me Joe did an Interview with Cults to Conciousness a few months back (if you are interested in an update)
Joe is an incredibly resilient, optimistic, intelligent, hard working miracle. This piece left out the most amazing details. Since he left, Joe has tried out for Americas Got Talent, kept a 3.8 GPA in business school at the University of Utah and been accepted to live in the Lassonde Studio for young entrepreneurs next semester. We have the HONOR of being his Host Home while he works 60+ hrs./weekly to earn money for school next semester. We continue to advocate for and create an awareness for these incredible young people who should never be put in these situations. If you are in a position of influence, please do the same and feel free to encourage this young man whom we love so much!!!!
Joe is amazing! Priscilla is too. Thank you Pam, for all you and Ron are doing to change the lives of these young people!
+Christine Marie YOU ARE A WONDERFUL LADY !!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!! YOU ARE DOING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE JUSTICE AFTER SO MUCH INDIGNITY!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
Just out of interest, since you seem so enthusiastic about condemning polygamy... if these people that leave that lifestyle become fornicators, do you condemn that as well? Or does it become an innocuous-sounding stance of "whatever makes them happy"...?
+M tee -- fornication is not a lifestyle, it's a choice. the law condemns polygamy, ethics experts condemn polygamy, the public condemns polygamy, intellectuals condemn polygamy, women living a polygamist lifestyle condemn polygamy (risking everything to sneak off and meet with outsiders to do so, by the way), and women and children who escape the polygamist lifestyle condemn polygamy. you do the math.
Pam Jenson That's fantastic for Joe.
the woman who is helping them has a beautiful soul. you can seen how she truly cares
She’s one of those real life angels
OMG that's all I could think ! One of the most positive people and trying to make it work from both sides
I'd literally love to be a part of something that beautiful
❤
She did a documentary upholding polygamist
The sweet lady with the glasses is a saint. Shes made her life meaningful by helping those kids. I salute her :)
She works with some women in a FLDS run store. I saw it on Explore With Us Documentary on TH-cam.
I bet she use to be Mormon. Not the FLDS, but just Mormon.
@Brooklyn Malone I could tell. I was Mormon for 23 yrs. Bless her for helping others escape that
His story about his Mom dying made me cry, I wanted to give that guy a hug.
You can just see how hurt joe is. I hope he and other members who have left are in a good place now. Much love from Australia.
Joe is a hired shill. He is there to break the back of White Christians. The new overlords will bring back slave markets and public executions. Look up Saudi Arabia and Lybian slaves.
D Handy what the fuck are you talking about?
@@frankman7384 frank... what the actual fuck are you talking about.
Being millenial male or younger in america thats all of us. The older males run it like a mob bipartisan to keep the youngers from affording any quality home or living wage of themselves. They just underemploy the younger males so the women cant leave the older shitbags.
“I have 13 siblings on my moms side and 157 on my dads side”
I honestly screamed. His mom probably had a baby every time his parents did the do.
😳😳😳
I cant get past that part the rest of the video i wont even 🎶
13 siblings is already a barely feasible number for one person, 157 is downright absurd even if the guy has had 14 wives (I had to look it up). How do you even have time to cause 157 pregnancies? Joe's dad, based on the info I could find, is in his 70's now. Even assuming Ortell got him hitched promptly at 18, that's an outrageous number of kids to have in probably less than 50 years (since Joe has said in interviews that his dad may have had more children since he left, so that 157 isn't his lifetime total).
My head started aching , Because this is outrageous
for all the people wondering he turned out pretty good. Major in finance and minor in maths at the
university of utah, built a business doing magic tricks, which supported him financially and even got a scholarship after performing magic for an insurance board which helped him through college. He landed a great job at a bank in Salt Lake city. Pretty sure thats what we call a sucess story :)
Lol and where did you read this 😂😂😂
If this is true I'm so happy
@@thegreatgatsby8180 not all of Islam is bad jesus christ read a book
@@thegreatgatsby8180 you should read up more on religions before shitting on them. At the end of the day there is no god from any religion so it doesn't matter arguing about which ones the "correct" one, instead allow people to have alternative views as long as it doesn't harm anyone or break any laws
Thanks for the info ! I went and subscribed to his TH-cam channel too. Hopefully more people go subscribe and maybe he can get paid for his TH-cam videos. Just trying to help any way I can lol
I love the way Priscilla's dad said that he told her it was her choice if she chose to leave or not for those of us who used to watch the show escaping polygamy when we watched that poor girl flee in the night in tears petrified of her father it didn't really seem like he was giving her much of a choice
The dude is psychologically scarred. It's fucking sad, I don't get it how it's legal to create sects like that...
They aren't a sect. They're their own religion.
Which is basically just another inbred cult which needs to be torched.
please.. explain the different
religion and cults are the same. Only one is accepted by a large group of people. you can't make one illegal without making the other illegal. Try making all religions illegal. I dare you to see how long until your head is on a pike.
He seems so much more confident in the last clip, gives me hope
all the protesters are talking about "its our choice" "well when youre an adult and you can make your own choices.." what about those 15 year old "wives" that were forced to "marry" men that were sometimes old enough to be their grandfathers and have a baby yearly? where was their freedom of choice?
What about the ones that aren't 15, but fully adult? If your real problem is with age then focus on that problem, but the two aren't mutually exclusive
I dont thing the issue is poligamy, the problem is the sect behavior. To be force to do things is the issue
You can easily outlaw that, without telling them they have to live like you think it should be lived. It's disgusting to mess with marry or touch a child but grown adults should be able to chose who and how many they want to marry. I would never do it but it's not my right to say they can't
@Anna Dayton: Like Nietzsche may have pointed out: religious people say that they have virtue due to their relationship to their religion, where actually they are weak and their virtue isn't naturally concluded by everyone but instead they are said to be virtuous due to the religion they constructed. Religion and cults made to make weak, pathetic guys look better than noble, strong, good, or superior guys.
Polyamoury is different from polygamy
"If you take away our rights...." What about the rights of the women and young girls you force into marriage? Who is thinking of their rights??
Exactly.
@Alin Ardelean They don't provide for their families. The women are doing that. Inform yourself.
@Alin Ardelean They don't even know the names of their own kids. As for emotional support, there's none. Are you living under a rock?
Polygamy is just being married to more than one person. It doesn't necessarily have to be non-consensual, include children, or other cult like behavior.
@Alin Ardelean doesnt matter if they provide or not. No one is an adequate parent to 18 children. That shit is irresponsible.
best of luck to joe. dude broke out of that cycle, i respect him for that
Yea no kidding that makes me sick. I wish I could bring that kid to California and put him up on my couch or spare room for free and let him live a normal blessed life and get a job etc...
+Jason Rentaponga lol yeah. I am still living in Utah. but I have met some very awesome, loving people that are helping me so much. thank you, it means a lot to me.
Dude, this is so crazy...! All the best man.
+Subliminal Espionage thank you. :)
+be nice thank you. I've been sober for 21 years. :)
Did he just say my mom and dad have the same father?
Yup
So ...his mom and dad are also his sibling...like.soooo CREEPY
@@meghacloud3366 no they're not...
@@meghacloud3366 his mom and dAd are also his uncle and aunt
Christopher Williamson hahaha reminds me of a song a heard once. “ I am my own grandpa”.
If polygamy is illegal but not criminalized, what point is in that law???
the bill that passed does criminalizes it before that federal law states it illegal state law how ever made it legal
It's basically like how cannibalism is illegal but you cannot be charged with cannibalism in a court as no laws forbid it. It's kinda a grey area people don't like to talk about. Like how underage sex is illegal but kids still have sex and everyone knows it happens but no child is charge with underage sex.
@Julie Walker what's so bad about polygamy if it's consenting adults?
Torin Jones those are both horrible analogies. It is unlike either of those.
A simple google search will tell you the difference.
-a law student.
Under age sex of two ppl consenting and both under 18 is legal in the lawbooks. As well as a romeo and juliet law in multiple states that allow one party over 18 as long as they are within 2 yrs age of each other. I was young and dating an older girl before
i wasn’t actually aware that practices like this were still present even till this day, Joe clearly seems traumatised and it’s obviously going to take more than decades to fully heal. the fact the he had to go through this and will still continue to carry this burden on his shoulder is terrifying.
There are a few states in this country that could use a good colon flushing. Sorry
I love how the polygamous people are fighting for their right to choose they're kind of marriage but yet the women don't get to choose anything. They definitely should not have the right to be forcing all these young women into a marriage with a man who already has plenty of other wifes. Its truly just so sad.
not all polygamy is the same and it's not all religious either
@@chronometer9931 yeah I know that
@sam trzupek I know this. My comment is just talking about this video and these groups because they don't give the women a choice.
@sam trzupek and I get that I've watched this fucked up shit and I've watched shows that show the great things about polygamy as well. And I'm not against polygamy when its the person/peoples choice to do so but I don't agree with what these people are doing in this video
@Emily trzupek polygamy is inheritly relgious and coerecive because you coerced too for the sake of religon. polyamory is consensual polyamory without coercian with all parties being polyamorous individuals
Seeing him at the end, going up to people and having the confidence to ask if they want to see a magic trick made my heart so happy. It's so nice to see him happy after going through all the horrible stuff he did.
Last time I aproached somebody like that I got pepper sprayed,
Good lord he is cute
@@torosalvajebcn Calm down John Wayne Gacy
It hurt my heart to watch Joe talk. You can tell how much pain he’s suffered.
Forrest Gump that doesn’t change the fact that he’s struggled. Everyone struggles.
Forrest Gump bro move with that ignorance wtf🥴
Was almost taken into a cult. It was one of the scariest things ever. They pretend to be your friend. Its crazy.
The dad probably doesn’t even know all of his kids names
They do. They catalog them like prizes.
He probably doesn’t. You can watch Escaping Polygamy about how three of his daughters who have escaped help others do the same. But in one episode some daughter mentions he can’t even spell her name right on legal documents.
He doesn't know all their names
I'd bet serious money their all names the same 10ish names, so at least he gets it right after guessing. John, Joseph, Brigham, Mary, Emma...
Adam Benjamin caleb Daniel ephraim frakensense (?) Gideon. Repeat.
The human trafficking aspect of these cults needs to be explored more.
Not just cults. This shit happens every and it cant be stopped because I'm sure the government and police departments help in lots of cases.
It’s human trafficking due to isolation and separation tactics. They aren’t just getting people to marry they are separating families
So his parents are half siblings? And then his crazy father sold his mother on some crack pot treatment and got her killed? Then essentially disowned him?
Wow, I'm sure Jesus woulda loved that.
Then Father asked the Son, to pay a fee to return.
I think we are the bad sims game of god
They don't follow the teaching of Jesus. They believe in some crazy stuff. Any denomination or religion that has tax exempt status and filthy rich leaders is a huge red flag. Why our Government allows it is beyond me. Maybe it's cause they are all in cahoots. Just look at Utahs former senator.
Mormons don’t follow Jesus lol.
These are what the bibles call hypocrites
this joe kid being so vulnerable yet so strong broke my heart and then fixed it 10 times over i hope he recovers
How the hell can you have a baby every year and stay skinny? Everything about all of this is awful
@@CaptainCaterpillars lmao shut up
@@user-ks6kj9no9n it's fact, it all depends on self-discipline
@@eddsworldkrove1449 Lmao shut up
Captain Caterpillar what a nasty way to look at it. I hope you develop better empathy and people skills.
@@eddsworldkrove1449 u first
So let me get this straight, a woman has to:
-have a baby every year
-stay skinny
-pay all the bills
- and keep up the household all by your self?!
That’s just 🤯🤯🤯 Im surprised it’s not more women leaving because this goes beyond 2 or three sister wives with about 8 kids.
guess who invented all these rules -MEN
Ive never understood either. Had a gf that was molested and her responses to things were opposite of what you would expect. Got a sense of how deep the rabbit hole went when she wanted a 3 some, but she was 19 me 21 and she was looking at jr high aged girls. I offered help but as I man I can only understand so well.
The part that lost me was women have to pay all of the bills.
Lydia Brown yeah I agree, Like if the woman does everything then what the heck is the man doing all day?!
They see the mansions acquired through the previous victims and get super horny.
Its a similar concept to men who sell pickup artistry or get rich quick books and make a fortune.
Also how sweet is Christine? She seems like an angel, helping people like that and loving them and defending them like her own children.
yess i want to be like that someday
i thought the same exact thing. she is so brilliant and supportive. The world needs more people like her.
She is a great person.
Idk, I got a creepy vibe from her. Like when she's quoting Houdini, and she says "I just think that's the most perfect way to say it, ISN'T IT?"
Like dude, you're talking about being an advocate for kids escaping a cult, but you're feeding them cues like that? It doesn't take a psychologist to know that's a little disturbing.
I mean, she's likely better support than these kids families were, I agree... but not all "caring" people are altruistic, some people can put a lot of hidden expecations on the people that they're "helping," ...like unquestioning agreement, loyalty, ect...
@@LaughingIshikawa ooookay? How in the hell is she creepy? What are you doing for the X polygamist community? I'm just curious
"My mom and dad had the same father" That one hit me hard.
I am so proud of Joe! Not only did have the courage to tell his difficult story, but he has also accomplished so, so much - against all odds - since he left the group. He is putting himself through college with a near 4.0 average, and he works hard at a job too. Thank you to all of you who leave words of encouragement and support for this young man, and for Priscilla too - who is in beauty school now. Thank you one and all for your kindness and positivity. Your positive words help others who are still entrapped feel a sense of hope and perhaps even find the courage to follow in the footsteps of Joe and Priscilla.
thank you Christine for your all your help, you are awesome.
Keep fighting the good fight Christine. The silent righteous of this world are with you, though we are in the ultimate Kali Yuga, where dharma is crooked and the truly wicked rule this Earth.
+Robert Wainwright Thank you Robert!
Love how compassionate and radiant you are!!!!
You are a wonderful person. Just wanted you to know that.
The sisters story about losing her baby then not being able to get medical assistance for so long is horrific. Any woman who has experienced anything in pregnancy like this will understand how the body remembers. That broke my heart hearing that. She is an incredibly strong woman and an amazing mother.
This is typical of cults, to control everything internally because they are terrified that going to outside sources for help may expose their abuses.
Julli’s entire story was told on Amanda Rae’s TH-cam channel
It's not just the splinter groups but Mormonism as a whole that's a massive corrupt scam.
Right when she said the magic tea didn't work , n her husband beat her because she called the doctors to get the baby out I can't imagine how the hell she felt being beating n a baby in her that can't n won't come out , like damn I'm gonna die an just expecting death coming to her , then boom that light came up and out and said enough was enough n I'm proud of her. That moment she realized that was not the life style she wanted
I’ve always wondered what happens to the body in such a treacherous situation
Julli’s story sent fucking chills down my spine.
Can you imagine holding your dead baby inside of you, and your husband doesn’t care? Oh my god.
And he ATTACKS you when you try to get medical attention?! My heart broke for her. Glad she seems to be happy now.
interbreeding - they are all defective.
I cried at the end to see he didn't go back. I was so worried that he would. And that woman helping him has such a beautiful soul 😭❤
Keeping the bloodlines pure by mating with your siblings. These are the real Lannisters.
Lmao
More like Targaryens.
So true, this kid needs to learn his GoT..
especially if your mom and dad have the same parents
Even if the Targaryens and Lannisters are combined... they still do not compare to this clan... lol!
13:06 the father claims that he gave his daughter the free will choice to leave or to stay. However, he permanently banned her from associating with anyone in the clan should she go. What manipulation; Very abusive and wrong.
The typical "i love you so much, so i'm gonna punish you" speech
Also if I am remembering correctly she had to sneak out because she was 17 when she left and had to cross state lines so they wouldn't send her back to her family.
He looked so broken, I’m glad he has a support network outside the “family”
Dude needs about 10 years of de-programing.
His sister is an amazing person. Her siblings and children are blessed to have such a wonderful person in their lives.
I'm glad the father told him to leave. He inadvertently freed Joe. I wish all the best for him. Hopefully he will meet a plenty of nice, caring people who will show that life has much more positive sides to it.
Joe's physically out and thats a massive part of it but you can see just in his body language, he still isn't entirely free. When you have known nothing else your whole life, it's the psychological abuse that is the hardest to be rid of. I feel for you Joe and wish you ll the very best.
This video neglected to mention that the father "freed" Joe for the same reason that ALL of these polygamist cults drive out most of their young men: in order to have more young girls for themselves. These young men are called "the lost boys of polygamy" and they are legion around the world. Nature makes half the people male and half the people female. The only way a man can have 13 wives is to deprive 12 men of a wife, more or less. It's baked into polygamy that a large percentage of men go their entire lives without being able to marry and father children.
Joe has a TH-cam channel Magic Finance Life; John. He’s doing well and still does magic
thanks for that update about Joe! Hope he's still in college or has graduated.
Magic Polygamy Life; John
Good 😊☺️
Thank you 😊
@@jasonreyarana4034 thx
Maybe in a perfect world , but not in this one I feel so bad that you can break your “family members jaw “ or make them pay for your dead mothers belongings it says we LOVE family but how do you love anything if not your own son or daughter or wife - that’s not Love
I grew up in northern Utah and lived a few houses away from a family who were Kingston’s. I have no idea how involved they were in the Kingston clan. Their 2 sons, who were a couple years older than me were toddler sized when they were full grown adults. The rumor/story around town was that they had those disabilities due to incest.
There were a couple times when I was watching the "Escaping Polygamy" series recently where I recognized a lot of places. ie, there's a scene where the girls are driving to / from the Davis County Health department. They drove right by my street. It was weird to see. I mean, I knew the Jeffs types were around (I glimpsed a few at WalMart years ago) but didn't know about the Kingstons. I mentioned it to some friends (the series) and found out that one of them used to work at a daycare with some Kingston children.
I just watched Priscilla's episode of Escaping Polygamy and she said she tried to run away twice. The second time she got caught, her father told the leader and they had her sent to an institution on a lockdown unit. So to see him in this video saying he gave her the choice to leave is turning my stomach. The girl literally had to sneak out in the middle of the night and RUN from her family. And the messed up part about all of this is that they KNOW better. If they didn't they wouldn't go through the trouble of keeping everything a secret, lying and keeping their pregnant wives away from hospitals when they really need professional healthcare. If they truly believed in this crap, why would they feel any shame? I can't even imagine being apart of something so evil. They're nothing but manipulative, wife-beating, incestuous child molesters. All of these men should be rotting in jail somewhere. And they have the nerve to bring God into this. They're delusional if they think that all the sins they've committed are going to land them anywhere but Hell.
Karen Jackson
I know several Jehova's Witnesses in my country, and they have religious reasons for not doing some common healthcare-related actions.
For example, they don't agree to blood transfusions because they believe the soul resides in the blood. Mixing souls is a pretty straightforward issue if you have a belief like that.
I'm not familiar with Mormons, but I assume the primary reason for avoiding modern healthcare is for similar reasons.
The religious reason for not getting vaccinations or blood transfusions etc. for Jehova's Witnesses is that they believe the soul exists in the blood, not that God will heal them. Belief in religious healing within Christian-derived sects isn't uncommon, but it's quite rarely used as a complete substitute for medicine.
The communities are generally small and tight-knit, so the pressure from the private sphere is immense on the victims, and the victims often believe the consequences for involving the public sphere is worse than the alternative. This is presuming the victims even feel like, or are in actuality, victims in the first place, which isn't always the case.
my auntie is a Jehovah's witness and she killed her daughter by not allowing a blood transfusion she as far as all our family are concerned MURDERED her daughter all for an invisible fairy tale what kind of mother does that what kind of kind hearted supposed god allows people to die from something so simple as needing blood all religions are cults and they all need outlawing she refused to sign the papers refused to give consent therefore she MURDERED my cousin
Tripticket you can still go to the hospital if you need a transfusion. We use alternatives to blood transfusion for our patients who are Jehova’s Witness. It’s a longer and harder recovery but we essentially support the body’s recovery with medications and supplement so that the patient speeds up their own’s body’s production of red blood cells. Like i said, its a longer recovery since we’re not immediately replacing blood. But it’s still safer since your being monitored 24/7 rather than being cared for at home. There’s limits to how much care a handful of people can give versus 20-30 people workinf around the clock to make sure you get back home safely.
There have even been Jehova’s Witness patients who reserve their own blood for later use in their upcoming surgery.
But yeah, let your Jehova’s Witness friends know that they dont have to receive blood in order to bolster the red blood cell and hemoglobin supply in their body
Louise Kirk I am so sorry. How awful for your cousin, and your whole family.
“My mom and dad have the same father” whew what a sentence 😳
Thats not polygamy thats incest here in Africa so sad..
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 anywhere is incest
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 you're right. That is incest.
@@shamisomakuvaro9393 That’s incest in North America too! Well, across all continents that’s incest. These people are beyond fvcked up.
This poor kid looks like he's just now realizing how weird his life actually was.
My home city...
My heart is breaking listening to him talk, and seeing the pain in his eyes.
i got this silver bell...
that was kind of sad.
That was truly sad. Even worse they sold all of his mothers belongings and said that if he wants anything of hers then he has to pay for it? That's so fucked up :/
Did anyone think of the movie Get Out?😂🔔😂🔔😂
@@GodSpeed1105 not the right time man, it's fucked that's all he got from his mom to remember her by
That broke my heart 😪
Kind of sad? That was devastating...thats all.he has left from mom.
My grandfather was raised in a rival clan to the Kingstons. I am so grateful that he had the courage and foresight to leave. His brother who stayed, was murdered by Ervil Lebaron in the 70s. I could have very easily been in the same situation as Joe if my grandfather had not done the right thing. I firmly believe in freedom of religion, but this isn't religion.
Was he murdered by a member?? Thank you for telling your story!
So true, this is using religion to instill authority and power.
It's like a cover for perversion incest and underage rape
My grandfather is Ervil. I luckily never subjected to any of that because my dad left it. And youre right it is not religion.
@Alyssa Bell Your words are kind but I have no feelings towards him one way or the other in the way you suggest. I never knew him, only of him.
This is heart breaking. Best of luck to you Joe.
2:45 sickening. you can buy your mother’s items or they’ll sell them before kicking you out. these men high up in the clan deserve no happiness.
Me: the church of Scientology is so corrupt.
Polygamists: Hold my wives
Also polygamist: hold my 150 kids per one father.
😂🤣🇲🇽
Top comment: pretty brilliant comment.
@@a.k.4085 thank you 🙏
Oh my 😂💀
They should'nt recriminalize polygamy... They should impose that fathers are to
1) financially provide equally to all their children and,
2) each child should be provided a minimal amount of money, based on the same rates as child-support in divorces.
Polygamy would disappear over night!
It's easy to have 15 wives, when you're a deadbeat dad...
CheshireKat666 Z you better know it!!!!!
I completely agree especially when there's non religious polygamous relationships that don't become toxic like this.
Shayna Richardson I believe the non-religious ones prefer the term polyamorous, as a means of distancing themselves from these kinds of relationships. The dynamic in polygamous relationships is VERY different from polyamorous ones. Polyamorous relationships don’t tend to produce lots of kids like this, and the partners are on an equal footing - both women and men are allowed to have multiple relationships. Also, there’s usually a main couple (man and woman), and they both have sort of side girlfriends or boyfriends (or share one)!
@@justanotherhappyhumanist8832 I didn't realize there was a difference. Thanks.
@@datgurl12121 No problem. Also, to clarify, in polyamorous relationships, the "side" boyfriends and girlfriends can also have a main partner, or side partners. I should also have clarified that the main couple doesn't necessarily have to be a man and a woman. LGBT people have polyamorous relationships too. I'm not sure why I wrote "man and woman" lol. This is what happens when I write a comment while also watching the video and multitasking. XD
My jaw absolutely dropped when she said that women are required to have children every year. This is so sad that they exploit these young girls and abuse everyone.
The pregnancies are not often successful. The society is too closed.
This is one reason behind why they don't want women having the option of abortion. Think about it. 🤔🕵️
It’s also not remotely safe. OBGYNs recommend waiting 18 months after birth to even get pregnant again.
When she said they had to be skinny while being pregnant every year , took me out n she stated the dad broke her jaw when she left that life style fucking sad
@@CassBlast5or longer depending on how your body heals all pregnancy are different and you heal differently from them all ,
That guy is so traumatized and incredibly brave. Well done my man, hope you find pride in the person you have become
"hey son if you want to come back it'll cost you 2000-5000$, oh and i love you and all that"
You can really smell that it's just about the money for them, lol.
😂😂😂
@Iconoclast If they did this in ancient Egypt, could you call it the...... Ultimate Pyramid Scheme?
... too late to the comment to rake in the pity likes/laughs/groans, but i'm still pleased with that one 😂
The order of the family keeps business as usual by monetizing everything and taxing their own population just like the US federal government who claims to have made you free from the opression of the British colonial as of July 4, 1776 yet simply substitute the roles of the Brits themselves. So nothing is new under the sun.
A lot of other religions are about money as well. Polygamy is practiced in another major religion as well as marry cousins and women at 15 yrs old. This is out in the open.
"My mom and my dad have the same father"..chillss
Damn so messed up. I feel for this kid. Especially when he's talking about how he was born of incest. So messed up.
To be fair, if his parents didn't carry any scary recessive genetic timebombs, he might be just fine. And in that case, he would've been psychologically better off not knowing. Even if they do - in his shoes, I'd rather a doctor just figure it out and give me an "out of the blue" diagnostic. No one should have to live with that knowledge, all their lives..
You can just hear the pain in this boy voice!! He needs his dad the most right now & he treated him like that!! I hope he stays far away from the ordered and has a good life down the line away from that leader& the clan💙
Poor guy, u can see the pain in his eyes when he started talking about his mom💔 I'm sorry some people have to go through this man🙁
you had me at "my mom and dad have the same father"... which was approximately 1:27 into the video.
Michaela Leach nigga wtf
Fucking Targaryen weirdos
What the actual incestuous fuck
That poor guy! Watching his lip quiver as he spoke had me bawling :( i just want to hug him
That _was_ said. Maybe Michaela meant he had her attention when he said "...my mom..."
You can tell in the way these former Kingston clan members talk that they suffer some sort of shared trauma or ptsd. Their speech is broken like their view on life. It’s so sad. But they are recovering and now living their own lives. I wish them the best in what they do. I thank them for raising awareness about an issue I’ve never heard about before. More people should know about this
Their speech patterns reminded me of the Turpin children.
@@rcair123 pretty sure our algorithms linked up i JUST finished bingeing the turpin family case and yeah, i agree, they seem just as traumatized and it pretty much reads similar too, both cases have the 'powerful' parental figures brainwash their many many kids that contradicting them is against the religion while abusing them emotionally
Their speach is broken due to incest.thats what happens you become dumb
At 11:30 Christine so right, this lifestyle choice is imposed on the children. They are forced into this. They have no choice. They never asked for this. This is true with every child born, but this extreme family situation seems cruel to the children.
This is the first documentary I've seen that accurately confronts the whole lack of a comfort zone the second you get out. You have /nothing/ familiar apart from maybe music, TV shows, books. Meals. Stuff like that. You're immediately thrown into trying to be a "normal person" and it's incredibly scary. And every time you screw it up and fail at passing as a "normal person" (I'm talking something as minor as being judged for mixing two actors up) you immediately have that urge to just go back because you feel like "normal life" just isn't for you and you're not good enough for it and that your failure is somehow proof that you don't belong in the normal world.
A lot of times, too, you've lived a double life. You've played a different character, a persona you were TOLD by these people to have (so you wouldn't get anyone in shit) for so long, that you're not even sure who you are and that's how mental illness kicks you in the ass. You're told to say, you're just sick a lot and that's why you miss school so much, when really, you weren't allowed to go until you didn't have any bruises. You're told to tell teachers the extended family contacts on your file are just really hard to reach and they'll back that claim up to hell and back if a teacher comes calling. You're told to play up that you're a klutz, you're not that smart, you don't give a crap about school, so people don't question your shitty grades or how you always seem to have one bruise that won't go away. I started to believe that I /wasn't/ smart, that I /wasn't/ coordinated, that I /didn't/ care about school, when the opposite was true during childhood.
I started to believe that I wasn't worth a damn. You don't ever fully leave that mindset. You never fully disbelieve what you were raised to "know" about yourself. To this day other people know me better than I do because I don't really know how to read myself, only other people. Because I had to anticipate their reaction, the slightest change in their eyes or tensing of their posture. I was running on autopilot just from the mental resources needed for constant hypervigilance.
My story didn't involve polygamy (that I knew of, not that there was anything explicitly against it - it just was never really talked about outside of others in other far-away places) or incest at all, but it was so fucking similar that I'm just - I'm having chest pains from how much of a stress and anxiety response my body is having to this documentary. Just out of fear. Out of truth, really. It wasn't Mormonism, it was sort of an off-label version of Free Evangelism, the "free" meaning they felt they didn't answer to the government and that the government had no jurisdiction over anything that they did or believed. They convert you around four or five and by twelve to fourteen you're "ready". It also has its claws deep in my region of the world. Teachers, businesses, doctors - every place you go has someone who is a part of this (not that they'd let just anybody know that, professionally). I couldn't even leave the house for a very long time. I try to talk about it in my writing and films, fictionally, just because I can't talk about it out loud yet without feeling like I'm going to implode.
There is too much truth in this documentary for me not to be scared, because I'd be fucking terrified to talk about anything like that on camera knowing how many people could possibly see it.
Watch the Prodigal Sons
My heart goes out to you. your comment really touched my heart.
You're very strong
Thank you for sharing :) I wish you good luck moving forward
thank you for your comment. I this documentary was very real. I could not believe that had the part when there was order people protesting in the video. in the same room as me. that was the hardest part for me. I actually left and was like nope I can't go in there. no way, and when I did go in I made sure none of them seen me.
Poor guy. You can tell hes carrying a lot of shame
Reyna Cruz exactly, and none of it was caused by himself but by his relatives. Really sad. All that incest is terrifying. I feel bad for the guy.
The lady with the glasses is a grown up Luna Lovegood.
lol
yesss
And we all know how awesome Luna was, so it makes sense to me!
😂😂😂
oh my god, she totally is!
She’s so right. You also leave the very beautiful things: community support, big family, loved ones, traditions, etc. that may not be accessible or valued in ‘the world’ and that is very hard. You’re separated from what you love, memories, etc and it’s very hard to extract that, separate the good from the bad etc.
despite all the inbreeding he turned out good
Terinka14 *well
He does seem kinda stupid idk
Martin Olsson true, that could explain it...
Seriously, surprisingly attractive.
They screw up his brain these religion are cults they should not exist in our so called modern world. Legalized inbreeding is not good for society and making you children slave to thier fathers is a sick thing to do to anybody. THAT IS WHY AMERICAN IS SO BACKWARD AND IT BASED ON JEWDAO CHRISTIAN LAW WE PRACTICE IN AMERICA.
Father dislocating his daughter’s jaw...
and no one has taken action smh
This is not the only daughter John Daniel Kingston beat. Watch Escaping Polygamy. The 3 main girls of the show are also John Daniel Kington's by 2 different wives and I know he beat 1 of them so bad, CPS got involved and the courts. She was actually adopted by a non polygamist family and is now trying to save other girls from the clan.
@@kellysalinas7478 Believe it or not it's not this happens in monogamous relationships too
@@chronometer9931 Yes... it does. But this comment is about John Daniel Kingston and the Kingston clan.
A father dislocating his daughters jaw is criminal, and should be dealt with by the law no matter where you came from.
I came from a much less violent polygamist group. We were taught that a man that acted this way to his family was practicing unrighteous dominion. It's just horrible.
This dad's day of reckoning will come, and he will feel very small and ashamed. You reap what you sow.
If you marry a bunch of women then at least take care of them financially, especially if you expect them to pop out a baby annually. Sounds to me like these women get all the negatives of being a single parent e.g. hardships, loneliness and absent father, without the positives e.g. freedom to do what you want with yourself and freedom to raise your kids how you want.
these women are to stupid to see what's going on so that's thier problem. or either they see and don't want to do anything
+Tazia Jones too their
you just wrote "to stupid" .... Its "too". You understand how stupid you look for doing that right? Its like irony in its purest form. Also, these women are brainwashed, they aren't stupid. Their beliefs are like a religion in the sense that you cant tell someone their stupid for believing in something you were raised into. Say you are a Christian, and someone from a different religion says youre stupid for being that. Its what you were raised into. What someone thinks is stupid, is normal for others. I think polygamy is wrong btw. But don't say these women are stupid when they are struggling so hard, im mean, YOURE A WOMAN. You should feel for them and how these men take advantage of them. If youre going to be mad at someone, at least be angry at the men... smh
Tazia Jones Its funny because you have this tone like im disagreeing with you, when we obviously feel the same way about everything but you want tell them they are stupid.
Telling someone they are stupid for what they believe is just the wrong way to go about it. You are immediately putting them down and making them feel like shit about themselves.
Obviously they know that something is wrong because literally everyone is telling them that who isn't in their own circle. This is why I say they are brainwashed. When you know something isn't right but you do it anyways because a part of you thinks it is what you should be doing (because so many people told you so), that is called being brainwashed.
If you had a child, and they were positive that polygamy was right, would you just call her stupid?
My point is, I agree with you on how believe what you truly believe and be your own person, don't let people choose your path, but treat these people with compassion just like your own family.
Just like drug addicts, they aren't dumb for having an addiction. It isn't always black and white like that, there are sooo many factors involved. Back in the day, they treated people with addictions like sick people, not criminals. We should treat these people the same way, not call them stupid for their beliefs.
What if someone said youre an idiot for believing reincarnation? Chances are, that person doesn't understand the idea of reincarnation but they come at you like they are sure of it. Then who is the idiot?
+Ramon Crespo I understand what you are saying , but any woman who alows her 12 or 13 year old daughter to be married to a man 4 times her age without thinking that something is wrong is an idiot. these women convince themselves that they ate victims. I don't sympathise with that my dear
These plural family structures are abusive to women and children. (Also, gay people don’t choose to be gay. I love how that’s brought out as a defense, as if they would be for gay marriage in any universe.)
What a trooper that new husband is!! Taking in not only his new wife but her friggen 9 children too. DAMN
She’s an alpha that’s very attractive in a woman who can hold her own with kids 🥰
#whitegirlmagic
She said she left with 6 so I assumed they had 3 together.
@@mahoganyhoney I think she has 6 children and when she says she’s the mom of 9 she’s including the children she miscarried
@@forevergoddessqueen4404 I almost had a stroke reading this..
"I got this silver bell"
Don't cry, don't.
Just hit me in the feels.
Miss you mom.. RIP
I want to hug joe and tell him it's not your fault
lol
+Magic Pranks John lmao
It's not your fault, it's your 13 moms fault
even my moms fault? lol
..don't do this to me man..
The woman with glasses said something kind of interesting that I agree with, but also unwittingly shines light on an issue we are grappling with today, seven years after this film was made. In response to the man who said that polygamists should have the right to, as adults, to form their own families (and, if you believe gay marriage should be legal then you should agree that this guy is 100% correct about polygamy), the woman pointed out, correctly, that kids under 18 should be protected from having to enter into a polygamous marriage. But what if they want to? What if a girl aged 15, 14, 13, is all about her clan wants to continue in the polygamy life decided SHE is okay with it? If you say, “absolutely not” then why not? And if that is your stance on underage kids willingly participating in polygamy, do those same reasons apply to an underage kid choosing to have “gender-affirming care”?
Ironic how the Mormon Polygamists say they should have the right to form their families how they choose, yet they want to bar gay people from being married and adopting children.
That girl Kristina is dating a black guy now.
And the guy 10 minutes in said, "...Just like if you chose to be gay". Wow, dude.
Hillary Campbell Hillary is that your real picture?
PinkDiamonds Omg I didn't even think of that.
Wow lmao how dare he bring up gays & say they choose it.
I think they don't care if people choose to live a gay life, just not in their Church.
Worst dad of all time.
The woman helping the young man is so sweet, I almost cried. I'm so thankful he has her understanding and support.
8:34 I really agreed with her on this one because not every aspect of something can be deemed evil just because a lot of aspects seem to have red flags
I feel so sad for Joe and his sister. They are both so strong for standing up for what they believe and what they do not.
The incest is whats nasty to me that’s basically marrying and having kids with your favorite cousin
No..... With your brother.... 😱😶
& siblings 🤮
I can accept cousins I guess but brothers and sisters. No way
Damn I have a hot cousin too
col you can accept cousins?
Stupid how the dad wanted the son to pay to get back in group. Good for him leaving
Talk about a fee to return to slavery.
Do a son hav to pay a father for stripping him off his basic human rights.
Where is Joe at now? How is he doing? How about a follow up VICE?
he has a youtube channel th-cam.com/channels/8BO57zqmhVYG8KGZqvSfhg.html
When he said he had 157+ siblings I just couldn’t
I see a bright future in Joe, hope he stays strong.
Wolff How?
Not if he stays in UTAH, the whole state has these like minded freaks.
their sense of family has to be so diluted. I feel bad for them. This is like the textbook case of a toxic patriarchal system.
Reminds me of scientology except for the child part.
The patriarchy isn’t always bad
@@flowerfields4345 the patriarchy is literally men having more power than women. It is bad how is it not?
@@adjjal men also have more duties, responsibilities, dangers, threats, etc
@@sufimuslimlion4114 🙄
‘My mom and dad have the same father’. Whoa, that can’t be good for the gene pool.