So most people will only get the one or two skills that are relevant, and never do it on another character. Big L for ZoS on that one. People wont enjoy or stay for this at all
They've done such a good job over the last years to remove annoying grind and then something like that... I bet you can buy the scripts in the crown store at some point once you've done it with one char
I've really liked how ESO has reinvigorated old content through new systems: Antiquities, Companions, etc. But this seems like an above-and-beyond grind. I really hope they listen to your proposed solutions.
i actually like that the grind will take you to various places and do various content - it will get more people interacting with more parts of the game instead of sitting just in dungeons or just in trials or just in PvE. I think it would be a lot more fun if overland was more entertaining for vets, and i'm glad i will also likely only be doing it on one or two characters
Thanks! I have a bunch of characters but I am looking forward to scribing so I will wait and see what this looks like at launch. I am one of those who likes doing dailies (within reason) and ZOS will probably make a good number of improvements in the next couple of weeks. I appreciate your overview and your suggestions were spot on.
PSA: You can pre-save dailies on the live server before Gold Road comes out! I am saving up as many delve, world boss & world event dailies as i can. I tried it on the PTS and it does indeed work. Just do all the dirty work, but dont hand in the quests until after the patch is live (and youve done the scribing questline at least once)
Well i couldnt finish the psijic quest, but im probably going to be more motivated with this one since im really interested in the scribing. Gives new stuff to grind for besides set gear sets. Which gives me reason to play.
Ufff i am actually happy that i will wait with Gold Road 😅 I need my calm down Meds just hearing this lol ... The Game got way too much grind and work for me for a long time now and i just can't be bothered anymore. I really hope it's not as bad in the end for you Guys 🤘🤘🤘🤘
My guess, is that the flavor text is not finalized for the account fragment slots. Or they are keeping it on the DL for story stuff. Once a book is gotten, I imagine it will work similar to ToT decks.
The fact that these skills are already behind a pay wall... I can only imagine that certain scripts will eventually be behind the crown store. The monetization is just getting crazier and crazier
Only 9 days into scribing, and I have almost every script unlocked, every grimore unlocked, and 50 ish ink! This grind is nothing compared to 5 stars in pvp, or vet ranks, or crafting, etc. What is everyone complaining about?!? Plus, it's basically a cross class system. A few scribed spells and my Templar healer now brings minor courage, heroism, vulnerability, and empower to the table as well as its normal Templar perks. This basically is like bringing the perks of being warden and necro into a Templars skill set. For something this big it should be a grind
As I've been seeing this talked about, my excitement has gone from "this is going to be great" to "I'm probably not even going to fucking bother, past being able to get ink drops to sell, and neither is 95% of the player base, why the fuck did they bother at all". Frankly, this update has gone from "one of the most exciting" to "this is going to do a lot more harm than good". I know my hype for this update has gone from "massive" to "apathy bordering on dread". First, the mail change, than the absolutely insane guild trader nerf, now we're realizing that for the vast majority of people, getting the scribing skills they actually want might be months of hard grinding of locked daily quests for one random drop? Absolutely insane. Bare minimum, they need to make this an account unlock. As a character unlock? No. Absolutely not.
Yes, we should have to work for things. Accomplishments feel good. Yeah, it's probably hard to find that fine line. ZOS blew right through that line and decimated it.
Honestly I only watch because Skinny is a good content creator. I left for Final Fantasy XIV and Old School RuneScape. Those games are a lot less abusive than ESO lmfao.
As a templar main, at least I'm not planning on using the class mastery, I don't wanna be snared...if I do, that armor buff better make all the difference! Otherwise, the grind to me doesn't seem too bad as I mainly play on 1, maybe 2 characters. I also do alot of those dailies anyway, so at least for me, it doesn't sound bad, especially when paired with a rotating vendor
Thanks for the complex explanations. Instead of being thrilled now I am TERRIFIED of scribing. Where is the fun in having to do all that again and again for each character? Scribing sounds more like a full-time job to endure not like an entertaining game to enjoy.
Making Alts so grindy makes ZERO sense - same with unlocking companion. It makes me not want to play alts - if I dont play alts i have way less incentive to buy outfits or mounts for them - zos is shooting themselves in their foot....
Great video. As someone who plays many characters (14 atm), this new system as you described makes my head definitely hurt!!! Disappointing to say the least and I hate having to complete all these dailies. I gotta ask myself ... is it really worth it???
This is precisely why I do not trust Zenimax anymore and why I will never pre-order or purchase a chapter for full price. ESO has such immense potential to be the best MMO out there and it is squandered on fomo monetization tactics, and convenience fees even though it is not a fully Free-to-play game. This all is not even mentioning how long it takes to grind ink after all those steps on each character.
I have almost 3000 hours in the game and 8 active max level characters and I've never unlocked the Psijic skill line at all because the Antiquities Scrying grind broke me.
If its as grindy as it sounds… I’ll just skip it. I dont have the time to do everything you mentioned. Games are supposed to be fun…not feel like a second job.
Skills are trash not 1 will be used in end game maybe 1 op skill so people buy gold road then update 43 it will get nerfed anyways.. its a repetitive cycle theses 🤡 do to us players and were over it.
fingers crossed this is still being actively worked on and is gonna be changed to what you said : grind on main toon, buy for gold from npcs and/or guild stores on alts. As it is now, this is absolute doodoo. Id do everything on main just for completion sake, for any other id probably just get the mag chain for non-dk tanks and call it a day. "tHiS IsN't GoNnA bE a BiG gRiNd"...myyy buttocks
Ty Skinny as usual is very well done and appreciated. Being a long time player of Eso, sadly this is typical Eso; grind madness. I understand Zos not wanting everyone to have everything unlocked day 1 (smart thinking), but this is madness to say it lightly. The class specific ability is a killer.. question if you have 3 wardens is that 1 grind or 3? Either way it's a horror, but if it's 3 seesh... How can this system be attractive for new players? First the grind to get to cp 1600 then scribing. Ask me a better road would be a value type of system rather than a mindless delve, trail, etc farm. Example ability x is worth 100 points and a delve is worth 2, Dlc dungeon is worth 4, trial 4 etc so at least you can mix it up. I do hope they adjust this cause I can see this (as is currently) pissing a lot of people off. Again ty for the post.
More grindy than I thought it'd be. This is definitely not something I'd be willing to do on alts. Due to time constraints I already mostly benched my alts so I'll just do this along on my main. But I definitely won't be focusing on it, I'll mess with it when I feel like it.
I would rather play the game then play the system! I hope changes happen before launch otherwise this will ultimately restrict players to playing one class which goes against the theme of play how you want.
I do have to admit I do have a little overwhelming feeling with grinding all the dailies but I do think ZOS made a good move at making this a little Grundy. IMO I think it will help slow down the amount of change happening all at once letting players experience the semi powered up scribing abilities that everyone is coming up with. That’s my take on it. Great video as usual. 😊
Horrible News if everything is not account bound. I been played teso for a very long time. 20 characters. I work a full time job. I actually stopped playing January i came back just may. I have not gotten all companions, skyshards, dungeons and dlc done for every character. And i probably never will. Psyjic is not complete vet dug, trials, world quest not complete. The amount of time is colossal needed to complete everything. This grind might break me before i fully drop teso. I might not be on this earth no longer for a 100% completion.
Yea. Honestly I think this is more the end of eso for me. As a pvp player who is already getting tired of the state of eso scribbing while sounding like a fun concept is going to break pvp. Those who don’t buy gold road will get the same patch 35 experience again. I’m good. Was fun while it lasted
I’m kind of torn between I want things to do in ESO new things new quest to get new abilities isn’t that bad gives me something to do. They could implement it a better way make it easier for other characters and make some of the drops go in trials, but that’s gonna make it harder or a different Way To unlock skills. Dailies get old RMG from bosses gets old. They need to implement something like a special quest a special arena or something technically it’s in the archives so that’s something I don’t know anyone have any ideas. I really just don’t wanna pay for the DLC and have everything unlocked that would be fucking boring And Pay to win soooo if they added a different PVP arena like a 4V4 or 6v6 Map that would be fun or like a five person Arena it would add content and a way to get scribing done. Come on people give some constructive criticism of ideas of how to unlock this stuff. What do we want to see?
The scrap drop rate seriously sucks. 100 writs, some more dailies = 2 scraps........ Like what the hell ZOS? Unbinding seems like one of the best proposals so far
i don't mind the grind IF it it really wasn't limited by dailies, I would just mindlessly grind if like I could get a guarantee one like every other daily quest for example. The fact that I can only get 1 per day not including the currencies is damn stupid. I hate gated grinds.
Never a fan of excessive grinds. I like ESO a lot because so many things are account wide. Having to unlock so much on all my alts sounds really off-putting.
The only reason I will probably be buying the Gold Road expansion this year is to FINALLY see Skingrad. I have less than zero interest in a new system that will be this much of a tedious grind.
Don’t buy it. ZOS will see it as endorsement of the grind they are introducing in this chapter. ZOS only do things to earn more dollars and if people pay them $ they will do more of the same.
Thanks for watching! EDIT: ZOS responds to feedback! check it out here: th-cam.com/video/tOBGt4IyFCw/w-d-xo.html
So when they said that it will not be the next Psijic, they meant it will be worse, because it is time-gated and depends on random drops.
It reminds me of going each day to the stables to upgrade mount speed etc
I hate doing dailies, I completely support your suggestions.
So most people will only get the one or two skills that are relevant, and never do it on another character. Big L for ZoS on that one. People wont enjoy or stay for this at all
They've done such a good job over the last years to remove annoying grind and then something like that...
I bet you can buy the scripts in the crown store at some point once you've done it with one char
it's not account wide?
That’d be pay to win and everyone would quit.
@@omooers it's already true for e.g. sky shards. no one quits
I've really liked how ESO has reinvigorated old content through new systems: Antiquities, Companions, etc.
But this seems like an above-and-beyond grind. I really hope they listen to your proposed solutions.
Na i love the grind bring back VET lvls
@@three6gaming ... Power to you, but you're alone liking that.
@@three6gamingVeteran ranks were an awful, abysmal grind. Removing them was one of the best decisions they ever made.
i actually like that the grind will take you to various places and do various content - it will get more people interacting with more parts of the game instead of sitting just in dungeons or just in trials or just in PvE. I think it would be a lot more fun if overland was more entertaining for vets, and i'm glad i will also likely only be doing it on one or two characters
Thanks! I have a bunch of characters but I am looking forward to scribing so I will wait and see what this looks like at launch. I am one of those who likes doing dailies (within reason) and ZOS will probably make a good number of improvements in the next couple of weeks. I appreciate your overview and your suggestions were spot on.
Agree. It doesn’t seem that bad to me, but I’ll only really engage the system on 5-6 characters
PSA: You can pre-save dailies on the live server before Gold Road comes out! I am saving up as many delve, world boss & world event dailies as i can. I tried it on the PTS and it does indeed work.
Just do all the dirty work, but dont hand in the quests until after the patch is live (and youve done the scribing questline at least once)
Ooooof. Let's hope they listen to your suggestions and change it up 🤞
No mmo should make you grind on multiple characters. I can take the grind, but just on my main.
So true!
I'm pretty sure, you will be able to buy all set of scripts. Where? CROWNSTORE!
Well i couldnt finish the psijic quest, but im probably going to be more motivated with this one since im really interested in the scribing. Gives new stuff to grind for besides set gear sets. Which gives me reason to play.
So... With 15 characters... That's a billion hours-- EGO... Elder Grind Online because you'll be an elder by the time you get done grinding
Well I am an Elder already 😂
Provided they dont screw up the drop list, looks like it'll be 2-3 months if you do nothing and just buying them from the rotating vendors.
@@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294 Same Lol :)
@@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294so you'll be a skeleton then
Least Alt Friendly MMO but with 15 Characters you already Knew That.
Ufff i am actually happy that i will wait with Gold Road 😅 I need my calm down Meds just hearing this lol ... The Game got way too much grind and work for me for a long time now and i just can't be bothered anymore. I really hope it's not as bad in the end for you Guys 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I am hoping for a less grindy, move player-oriented scribing and ESO in general...
I love that ZOS decided to go this route.
My guess, is that the flavor text is not finalized for the account fragment slots. Or they are keeping it on the DL for story stuff. Once a book is gotten, I imagine it will work similar to ToT decks.
The fact that these skills are already behind a pay wall... I can only imagine that certain scripts will eventually be behind the crown store. The monetization is just getting crazier and crazier
That grind has made me want a class change token more than ever
Which they'll never do because then they can't sell you crown unlocks for your other characters :/
Hope this will fix the weaknesses of the necromancer class.
Only 9 days into scribing, and I have almost every script unlocked, every grimore unlocked, and 50 ish ink! This grind is nothing compared to 5 stars in pvp, or vet ranks, or crafting, etc. What is everyone complaining about?!?
Plus, it's basically a cross class system. A few scribed spells and my Templar healer now brings minor courage, heroism, vulnerability, and empower to the table as well as its normal Templar perks. This basically is like bringing the perks of being warden and necro into a Templars skill set. For something this big it should be a grind
As I've been seeing this talked about, my excitement has gone from "this is going to be great" to "I'm probably not even going to fucking bother, past being able to get ink drops to sell, and neither is 95% of the player base, why the fuck did they bother at all". Frankly, this update has gone from "one of the most exciting" to "this is going to do a lot more harm than good". I know my hype for this update has gone from "massive" to "apathy bordering on dread".
First, the mail change, than the absolutely insane guild trader nerf, now we're realizing that for the vast majority of people, getting the scribing skills they actually want might be months of hard grinding of locked daily quests for one random drop? Absolutely insane.
Bare minimum, they need to make this an account unlock. As a character unlock? No. Absolutely not.
Vet overworld toggle would insentivise the use on scribing more, win win for ZOS and the community.
Yes, we should have to work for things. Accomplishments feel good. Yeah, it's probably hard to find that fine line. ZOS blew right through that line and decimated it.
Honestly I only watch because Skinny is a good content creator. I left for Final Fantasy XIV and Old School RuneScape. Those games are a lot less abusive than ESO lmfao.
who asked?
They will make the grind horribly long so you just buy access like the psijic order quest line
As a templar main, at least I'm not planning on using the class mastery, I don't wanna be snared...if I do, that armor buff better make all the difference!
Otherwise, the grind to me doesn't seem too bad as I mainly play on 1, maybe 2 characters. I also do alot of those dailies anyway, so at least for me, it doesn't sound bad, especially when paired with a rotating vendor
Whelp, there goes my interest in this update.
Thanks for the complex explanations. Instead of being thrilled now I am TERRIFIED of scribing. Where is the fun in having to do all that again and again for each character? Scribing sounds more like a full-time job to endure not like an entertaining game to enjoy.
Oh wow. This is way more of a grind, not less.
Making Alts so grindy makes ZERO sense - same with unlocking companion. It makes me not want to play alts - if I dont play alts i have way less incentive to buy outfits or mounts for them - zos is shooting themselves in their foot....
No cuz then you get to spend money to solve those problems. So they are never gonna change it
Hi..great video but where can i find that spreadsheet ur showing at the beginning...a one sheet shows it all overview would be super helpfull..thx
Thanks! It’s in the description “grimoires”
Found it
Thanks bro..keep on doin..ur stuff is super helpfull
this is a mess of a grind i dont have time for. only have like 2 hrs to play at a time. hope it dont become meta for supports.
Not 1 skill will be meta. You will lucky if you even use any off them at all in end game anyways..
Great video. As someone who plays many characters (14 atm), this new system as you described makes my head definitely hurt!!! Disappointing to say the least and I hate having to complete all these dailies. I gotta ask myself ... is it really worth it???
Yeah I’m only doing this once on my warden main. No way I’m doing this for anything else.
This is precisely why I do not trust Zenimax anymore and why I will never pre-order or purchase a chapter for full price. ESO has such immense potential to be the best MMO out there and it is squandered on fomo monetization tactics, and convenience fees even though it is not a fully Free-to-play game. This all is not even mentioning how long it takes to grind ink after all those steps on each character.
Thanks for info Skinny. Can they not add it to transmute system to cut out the grind just like mythics?
I have almost 3000 hours in the game and 8 active max level characters and I've never unlocked the Psijic skill line at all because the Antiquities Scrying grind broke me.
If its as grindy as it sounds… I’ll just skip it. I dont have the time to do everything you mentioned. Games are supposed to be fun…not feel like a second job.
*Fantastic Video*
Can you have multiple of these new skill? For example could i have vault skill and the mages guild skill?
Yeah you can combine as many as you can fit
I have no glue how to use? do they replace skills? are they in addiiton to? thaks.
Vet overland?
Hell yes!
Ouch. How's the ink drop rate, BTW?
Haven’t seen any drop other than the guaranteed ones from quests 😅
I have heard people say like 1 drop in up to 200-300 nodes
so i need to know which scripts my DPS need first
Great video! I'm already getting sick of the upcoming grind. I have about 10 active characters...
Obviously you like the grind if you have 10 characters 😂
Do daily Cyrodiil quest reward them too?
They already put the best armor and weapon sets behind paywalled dlc areas, and now skills too… The definition of pay to win lol.
Skills are trash not 1 will be used in end game maybe 1 op skill so people buy gold road then update 43 it will get nerfed anyways.. its a repetitive cycle theses 🤡 do to us players and were over it.
Well I’m taking a break. Well done zos, you just couldn’t help yourself screwing this up 👍
LMAO
fingers crossed this is still being actively worked on and is gonna be changed to what you said : grind on main toon, buy for gold from npcs and/or guild stores on alts.
As it is now, this is absolute doodoo. Id do everything on main just for completion sake, for any other id probably just get the mag chain for non-dk tanks and call it a day. "tHiS IsN't GoNnA bE a BiG gRiNd"...myyy buttocks
after main quest i coullldnt unlock the area help help
We need to push them for Veteran Overland toggle
The banking part looks a bit exploity, I'd be careful with that
It’s PTS. Part of the point is to mention stuff like that
@@skinnycheeks yeah sure, I meant if it makes it to live I would be careful, you know how fast zos is with fixing stuff sometimes
@@eco_2128 ahh yah. it was weird. A lot of the scribing stuff feels like they aren’t finished yet tbh
Really not looking forward to this anymore
I wish I would have knew this was how they put it in the game I wouldn’t have bought the new chapter this is a pain
Ty Skinny as usual is very well done and appreciated. Being a long time player of Eso, sadly this is typical Eso; grind madness. I understand Zos not wanting everyone to have everything unlocked day 1 (smart thinking), but this is madness to say it lightly. The class specific ability is a killer.. question if you have 3 wardens is that 1 grind or 3? Either way it's a horror, but if it's 3 seesh... How can this system be attractive for new players? First the grind to get to cp 1600 then scribing. Ask me a better road would be a value type of system rather than a mindless delve, trail, etc farm. Example ability x is worth 100 points and a delve is worth 2, Dlc dungeon is worth 4, trial 4 etc so at least you can mix it up. I do hope they adjust this cause I can see this (as is currently) pissing a lot of people off. Again ty for the post.
so class ones can not be paid for only dropped that seems like the most grindy part
Thanks!
Thanks so much!! ❤
Gonna be an absolute nightmare for new players to use
20:00 minute video is so satisfying. Sooo clean
It’s funny it said 19:59 when I uploaded but I guess TH-cam rounded up 🤣
@@skinnycheeks it showed me two different numbers. The thumbnail said 20:00, and then watching it said 19:59 and I got a little sad 😂😂
It is 19:59 and now I am so bothered by it because of you :(((
how much gold is it going to cost to get everything, those prices look crazy?
More grindy than I thought it'd be. This is definitely not something I'd be willing to do on alts. Due to time constraints I already mostly benched my alts so I'll just do this along on my main. But I definitely won't be focusing on it, I'll mess with it when I feel like it.
I wish this game had combat like bdo.
Thanks for this info! Sounds pretty bad..
grind, grind, grind :( no wonder people leave ESO.
These ZOS decisions constantly make me think they do not understand their game or their players or how they play it...its very weird to me
I would rather play the game then play the system! I hope changes happen before launch otherwise this will ultimately restrict players to playing one class which goes against the theme of play how you want.
Now I’m praying they don’t buff this and make it meta for dps classes to use 😱
Nah, just look at Oakensoul when it first came out: perfectly balanced and not pay-to-win!
@@samuraichicken2315Pay for the game. Issue resolved. You aren't owed anything.
So much dam grinding for the dam class script there are post saying people have gotten 2 out IA but even still thats alot
Welp - that settles that for me - big nope.
Sounds like we all need to quit our jobs if we want to do this before the second coming.
I do have to admit I do have a little overwhelming feeling with grinding all the dailies but I do think ZOS made a good move at making this a little Grundy. IMO I think it will help slow down the amount of change happening all at once letting players experience the semi powered up scribing abilities that everyone is coming up with. That’s my take on it. Great video as usual. 😊
Me. Who just started the infinite archive grind on my main
RNG grind, no thx🙄
Yeah, probably a .00001% chance for a drop...
This is a certified wowza moment
Just another reason why I have 5600hrs with only a single character
Damn I have a lot of tanks i want this on
Horrible News if everything is not account bound. I been played teso for a very long time. 20 characters. I work a full time job. I actually stopped playing January i came back just may. I have not gotten all companions, skyshards, dungeons and dlc done for every character. And i probably never will. Psyjic is not complete vet dug, trials, world quest not complete. The amount of time is colossal needed to complete everything. This grind might break me before i fully drop teso. I might not be on this earth no longer for a 100% completion.
Its going to be locked behind pay to play so i won't be doing it
I play on 2 servers, with 10 different characters on each server 😕
Bind on pickup scripts, yes please
You know they are going to sell these in the crownstore. Scummy practices once again. Good video though highlighting this!
Yea. Honestly I think this is more the end of eso for me. As a pvp player who is already getting tired of the state of eso scribbing while sounding like a fun concept is going to break pvp. Those who don’t buy gold road will get the same patch 35 experience again. I’m good. Was fun while it lasted
ohh dear pvp dalies, just kill me now
Main pvp player here o/ pls kill me too, i hate porting back to the spawn to accept new ones 🤣🤣
I wish the game was more alt friendly, or you could just switch between classes with one character.
Figured there would be some kind of grind involved with this. SMH
I’m kind of torn between I want things to do in ESO new things new quest to get new abilities isn’t that bad gives me something to do. They could implement it a better way make it easier for other characters and make some of the drops go in trials, but that’s gonna make it harder or a different Way To unlock skills. Dailies get old RMG from bosses gets old. They need to implement something like a special quest a special arena or something technically it’s in the archives so that’s something I don’t know anyone have any ideas. I really just don’t wanna pay for the DLC and have everything unlocked that would be fucking boring And Pay to win soooo if they added a different PVP arena like a 4V4 or 6v6 Map that would be fun or like a five person Arena it would add content and a way to get scribing done. Come on people give some constructive criticism of ideas of how to unlock this stuff. What do we want to see?
Riot riot riot!
The scrap drop rate seriously sucks. 100 writs, some more dailies = 2 scraps........ Like what the hell ZOS? Unbinding seems like one of the best proposals so far
............
Fuck it im running vanilla skills
I cant bother grinding out sets let alone this 😂
i don't mind the grind IF it it really wasn't limited by dailies, I would just mindlessly grind if like I could get a guarantee one like every other daily quest for example. The fact that I can only get 1 per day not including the currencies is damn stupid. I hate gated grinds.
Nice.
Never a fan of excessive grinds. I like ESO a lot because so many things are account wide. Having to unlock so much on all my alts sounds really off-putting.
Holy crap
This Is probably my end with ESO. Not seeing things go In the direction I was expecting.
Mehhhh nah thanks
Stfu up. You gonna be the first playing that shit
Toxic comments aside, I hope it's less grindy
Is it really necessary to have it on every character? I figure just do it on your main and be done with it.
The only reason I will probably be buying the Gold Road expansion this year is to FINALLY see Skingrad. I have less than zero interest in a new system that will be this much of a tedious grind.
Don’t buy it. ZOS will see it as endorsement of the grind they are introducing in this chapter. ZOS only do things to earn more dollars and if people pay them $ they will do more of the same.