Did The Empty tomb of Jesus Really Happen?
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I doubt the Romans gave the body back. Their policy was to leave them hanging as an example of what happens when you cross them
😂❤ He escaped to Argentina
Historically wrong but when did mythvision fans ever care about facticity.
@@James-ll3jb historically he's quite right. That's what Romans usually did. While Jewish authorities would have dumped his body in a mass grave for criminals.
Wouldn't bet the ranch on that andwhether they did, doesn't change anything. Even if you grant JoA burying Jesus in a family tomb you still don't have Jackinthebox Jebus popping out of the tomb
@@sp1ke0kill3r I read an historian recently who'd written on Roman crucifixion policy and he totally refuted, with sources, the conjecture that bodies of the condemned were as a matter of policy never returned to relatives, etc. The Ehrman/Crossan belief they were dumped onto garbage heaps or left on the cross interminably to rot is simply false.
Very very interesting dialogue, I also listen to Dr. James Tabor...
Love JDC's zoom background
Self promoting stupidity
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I remember being a kid in the 1960s (in Catholic schools) taking it all seriously enough to actually read the Gospels and totally remember the first time reading the footnote that Mark ended with just an empty tomb and the rest was added later.
@@nsbd90now From which I deduced the ending was deliberately nonexistent rather than lost because it mafe me feel oh so sincere lol!
You're really embarrassing yourself now, nsbd90now lol!
@@James-ll3jb You sound desperate and panicked, James.
@@nsbd90now I'm actually having a jolly good time delving back into this circus again. It's been awhile! Lately Berman had a jackass on convinced the entire NT was penned as satire lmfao!
You Failed to read all that happened after.
@@georgeaguilar6996 After what? And no, you have no way of knowing that. Lol
The most transparent guest MythVision has had.
Preyz Gord for your Wisdum and Discernment
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Wow, this i hear for the first time of possibilities about Jesus. Why no one hinted to these options before.??
@@mushtaqobaray7529 because they want to control your mind
You generally have to be at a graduate-level of religious studies to get all this kind of material.
Empty tomb? Occam's razor: Someone moved the body or it never happened
Have you read Oliver Revilo's criticism on Christianity?
No, next question
You should start doing a "fit of the day". But do temple garments from time to time
Don't forget to mention the Curious Girdles and Bonnets that Moses made the Priests wear in Leviticus 🤡
@@theunclejesusshow8260 you need more practice, padawan
He never was crucified he went home to the father....you all got John wrong...most of John has been added or changed....o. Jesus,,never the word says so....be born again and read John with new eyes.
James was the leader of the Jerusalem Church, not Peter.
The tomb story, makes far more sense than the junk these scholars come up with.
@@bunchlead totally!!!!
They are not really "scholars."
@@jeffreyerwin3665 Regrettably I'm forced to agree
Explain the Shroud of Turin Crossan!😅
The Shroud was known to be a forgery in the 14th century, and we still know it's fake now.
@@CharlesPayet Scientists attempted to prove that the Shroud was created in the 14th century. They failed.
@@jeffreyerwin3665there is documentation from a Bishop in the 14th century, in which he described who the forger was, the forger’s previous attempts at forgery to get money from the church, etc.
Why are desert superstitions obsessed with apocalypse?
How will they adapt their beliefs if we settle in other planets?
They might like Mars.
They'll resort to II Peter's description of the end of the Heavens and the Earth. Never mind that the natural event that best matches it is a gamma ray burst from an exploding or imploding blue giant star.
@@EdwardM-t8pI've read the whole history of Christianity which includes all the sects and doctrines.
This cult has always managed to adapt to the changing circumstances like Mahoraga. Everything is so contradictory that I believe it'll eventually be extinct as science makes more advances as the great painter once stated.
@@GoddessofHistoryRevision Have you watched or Read any Richard Carrier? He approaches it as an Ancient Historian and casts doubt on the validity of that - or any religion pretty much, from that pov. If you're sufficiently interested there are plenty of yt vids of him either talking or debating, or you could buy his book "Jesus from outer space" which will give you his assessment of what early, inner-circle, christians actually believed, which is something even whackier than you may already think.
Talking of whacky; if anyone thinks we're going to manage to sustain life on another planet for any significant period of time, which has none of the resources that we're currently destroying on the one we evolved to survive on, I think they need their head examined.
No doubt, lots of whackos will pile in on that statement, but I would say to them - Calm down and think intelligently for 1 minute about what you are suggesting. People have been watching too many science-fiction films for too long, and their ability to distinguish between the plausible and the implausible has been damaged imo. Just think about long term sustainability of life in a hostile environment and what happens in the first emergency. The whole idea is farcical.
@@GoddessofHistoryRevisionUnfortunately human mind is primed to believe in something; no matter how advanced the technology, there will always be a semblance of religion that is entertwined with their life.
I believe the portrayal of humanity in Dune is the closest we have to the future of religion. Space feudalism with myths controlling the gullible masses.
Perhaps if you didn't read the Bible like it is a record of historical events... Earth is the Abyss covered in darkness Adam, the Son of YHWH, descended into and rises up from as the rider Death on the Pale Green horse with all of Hades at his heel admiring and protecting him at the resurrection.
Adam wields the fiery sword on the day of vengeance as judgment (sacrifice) and is made to be sin. YHWH judged the gods and became the Snake. YHWH is greater.
Perhaps it would also help, if you didn’t completely make sh!t up.
@@CharlesPayet Why so mean? Do you have childhood issues you are dealing with?
David, the Morning Star, rides the donkey. The bride of David rides the foal of the donkey.
Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO)
David, their king, whom I will raise up for them. (Jer 30:9 NABO)
Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO)
Adam, the son of God (Luk 3:38 NABO) The last Adam a life-giving spirit. (1Co 15:45 NABO) The first and last, beginning and end, author and finisher.
Christ rides a horse - of many colors, or aspects, or perspectives.
White - The wine press I have trodden alone (Isa 63:3 NABO)
Red - Do not think that I have come to bring peace (Mat 10:34 NABO)
Black - I came into this world for judgment (Joh 9:39 NABO)
Pale Green - Its rider was named Death - Christ rising up from the Abyss (Rm 10:7) - all of Hades is at his heel (Rev 6:8 NJB)
the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss (Gen 1:2 NABO)
Who will go down into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). (Rom 10:7 NABO)
there was a white horse... and he rode forth victorious (Rev 6:2 NABO)
Another horse came out, a red one. Its rider was given power to take peace away from the earth (Rev 6:4 NABO)
there was a black horse, and its rider held a scale in his hand. (Rev 6:5 NABO)
I looked, and there was a pale green horse. Its rider was named Death, and Hades accompanied him. (Rev 6:8 NABO)
Hey, I made it to a video in first few minutes! ❤
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All conjecture😅
Come on already there was no empty tomb,pure mythology.
That is funny. Show us the body. Even the Jews did not deny the empty tomb. No one EVER attempted to produce the body.
@@MrDonPreston maybe because there never was one. You can't bury a fantasy
@@MrDonPreston
I'm not sure we have authentic Jewish sources about this. Only Christian sources about what the Jews supposedly have thought.
What wait ,he's John Dominic Crossan an atheist.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@dirkjensen969 Extra ordinary claims-- such as this-- demand extra ordinary proof. What is your proof, other than skepticism?
From what I see, this channel should be renamed, because this guy buys the flawed premise that the gospels are based on the life of a real person called Jesus.
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Whoa buddy you're getting dangerously close to a lump of coal. Mariah Carey watches.
Yes, it did. Paul knew about the empty tomb. Everyone did.
The trope of scoundrel Rhet Butler rescuing Scarlett the heiress doesn't mean such things never occurred.
And if the trope was ascension or theft how is it still a trope.
And it is not altogether clear Matthew and Luke borrowed Mark wholesale.
This guy has been making tons of conjectures treating them as fact for decades. Sad.😅
90% of Mark (in the original Greek) was copied into Matthew and Luke. Yes, it's pretty damn clear they borrowed it. And no, Paul never actually mentions an empty tomb. He talks about the ascended Christ, but the word tomb never appears in Paul.
And just because a story was written down, and maybe even believed at the time, doesn't mean that story ever actually occurred,
@@CharlesPayet But not the historical factuality of the empty tomb itself (lol!). If that wete so no appreciable differenes in the accounts would exist!
Read J.A.T. Robinson's "Redating the New Testament" which puts Mark c. 45 and hypothesizes John's gospel came first. If you can take Crossan's notion the 'Cross Gospel' within the Gospel of Peter is as old as Mark you'll love Robinson.
Crossan's notion that the tomb story and ideed the whole gospel is merely a parable was refuted aeons ago. But the podcast host is always scouring the coutryside for clickbaiters lol!
@@djfrank68 No one denies that. But the resurrection appearanes were first being preached c. 36 a.d. Crossan wants to preserve said appearances as hallucinations but deny the empty tomb, and the podcast host of course loves this kind of quasihonesty lol.
That syllogism "If Paul didn't mention the empty tomb, then it is because it didn't happen" isn't even logical lmfao!
@@James-ll3jb Robinson is a fringe voice in dating Mark and John, and I see no reason to accept anything he says with anything but a grain of salt as big as Everest.
There is no "factuality" of the empty tomb, period. It's a story with no historical basis, nor even a valid rationale for why Jesus would have been put in a tomb. He was executed and would most likely have been dumped in a mass grave.
The mere fact that the alleged all-powerful creator of the universe couldn't be bothered to leave a single well-documented and externally verified story of the alleged most important event in all of human history, coupled with the mere fact that apologetics has been arguing about how much is historical for 2000 years to justify it, tell me all I need to know about the "resurrection."
Yes. Rapture soon. ⚡⚡
Jesus is a fictional character.
@@twitherspoon8954 follow the Cosmic Space Wolf 🐺 ✨️
@@twitherspoon8954 no he's not. There are sources outside of the Bible that speak of him.
@@feliperodriguez4187
_"There are sources outside of the Bible that speak of him."_
Contemporaneously? By witnesses?
Name one.
_"Rapture soon."_
Jesus said his return would be imminent - 2,000 years ago!
Jesus told his disciples that they would not die before his second coming:
"There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom".
(Matthew 16:28)
"Some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the Kingdom come with power."
(Mark 9:1-20)
"The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand."
(Mark 1:15)
Dr Ammon Hillman has a different take on why Jesus was crucified. Not for the gospel reason, not for being an insurrectionist, but for being a different, more scandalous kind of λῃστής (léistés). Neal of Gnostic Informant knows him and works with him. Derek, I would love for you to have him on your show.