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And a damn good one too! He wasn't flashy and he didn't showboat. He was a true floor general and a very underrated player, but he got the job done and he did his job very well.
John Stockton was a legend. I miss 90’s basketball so much. Thats when basketball was basketball and not just a fashion show and 3 point defenseless contest.
I have so much respect for The Glove saying that...Stockton is so terribly forgotten and overlooked-but he had an unmatched grit and toughness, and he was a great player.
Leads all steals and assists all eras, also played 17 seasons complete 82 games, no newbie is gonna catch those numbers, he was built tough, who of the new nba players can play 17 seasons 82 games?
It's hard - they're saying that the kids these days are playing way too much by the time they go pro; their legs are already worn out. Too much competition year round
Mikal bridges actually broke the record by playing 83, he was traded right after a phoenix game, where in Brooklyn there was another game, he went and played that game too, he never missed a game in his NBA career, or in his basketball career as a whole.
@@zebrasarenothorseshow? They leave college after a year. All these guys played 4 years of college and all the extra stuff too back then just excuses from over payed players who haven't proved anything.
The game has evolved out of silly traditional archetypes which is actually what "positions" are in a game where everyone has the same set of rules and roams freely across the entire playing surface. Back in the day they just called short guys who were good at passing and dribbling but didn't score as much point guards but now some big guys (magic in the past, Luka, Lebron, SGA) can be the playmakers and little guys (Curry, Dame, Westbrook) can be the scorers. Positions don't and have never mattered. Teams are finally realizing that it's an advantage to have 5 guys who can all score and defend multiple positions so they look for skillsets rather than trying to force players intp dated archetypes. That being said, Stockton and Glove are two of the greatest "basketball players" to have played and would be great in any era. You would just have to tell John to shoot the damn ball when he's left open at the three point line for wide open shots which he was so reluctant to do in his era.
No... The game has been dumbed down for a less intelligent generation. The NBA is nothing more than an entertainment product and the rules reflect that.@@bdww4072
@@bdww4072 if you think Lebron playing PG for team USA over Tyrese Halliburton is evolution then you’ve got a bad case of brain rot. They almost lost because of that nonsense.
@@beanlegume9965 Idk about that specific instance because I wasn't paying that much attention to the rotations but I just mean in general that the reason PGs like Dame Lillard and Jalen Brunson are so effective is because scoring is so much easier today so having your point guard as another elite bucket getter is a good thing not a negative. Just being on the court to pass the ball around (not the case with stock or Glove but I'm saying if assists totals is what people are focusing on) is not as valuable as being able to score at a high level as well. In fact, Gary Payton became a very effective scorer from 98 until 02.
Stockton is one of those player that if he is in the opposing team you absolutely hate him but if he is in your squad you love him…some label him as dirty but he did what needed to be done against player that outgunned him athletically he made up with grit and pure basketball efficiency
Too bad they didn't have a little more to go battle with. Hornacek was good, but they got him late in their careers. Jeff Malone was too, but he was not there that long. Other than them it was a bunch of role players for the most part. They did quite well with what they had to work with. IMO
@@Turk_2023while I agree wholeheartedly with your premise....Amare didn't need anyone. He proved this his one healthy year in New York. Nash certainly made him better as Nash did with anyone he played with but Amare would have been just fine.
Stockton was tough to guard because Utah ran a ton of screens. Defenders were constantly running into Malone, Carr, or some other big body and Stockton was constantly moving with or without the ball. It was probably exhausting.
I’m a MJ guy. He’s the GOAT. But he ain’t running you off a ton of off-ball screens and he’s not pick-n-rolling you to death AND he’s holding and grabbing AAAANNNNND he was a ball hawk! Stock was a fucking handful!
I agree. Any up and coming point guard should watch John Stockton. He was so good at the fundamentals basic basketball. He was was not flashy and sexy with it and I think that’s why he does not get his just due. But that man is a legend. 15 assists? Doing what a point guard should be doing. They don’t make them so fundamentally sound like that anymore….
Stockton was a student of the game.who became a master in it.very disciplined and savy on that court.he believed in his coach and his coach believed in him.he did it buy the book.salute to Mr.John Stockton.#nba legend#Jazz legend #Gonzaga great 💪
Thank u GP...... Now stop saying Curry is a top anything as a pg that he changes the game..... All he can do is shoot...... Give me Cp3, GP, Stockton, Kidd, Rose, Kyrie, Iverson, Rhondo & more over Curry's overrated a$$
It wouldn't surprise me if CP3 said he modeled his game after these 2. Early CP3 was a combo of these 2. That's how he became known as the "point god." He took everything he could from these 2 and added some Zek (the original I.T.) as the game transition into this modern style of scoring pg.
Gary knows "good & well" that MJ was the hardest man to guard for his entire career. Stop hating on Jordan, my long-time friend, teammate, and rival from elementary to high school. Ya still my boy though! ❤😀🙏🏼
His description of stockton's FG% is a bit exaggerated, but his 51.5% lifetime FG% compares favorably with payton's 46.6, jordan's 50.5 even excluding his wizards years, and magic's 52
As a bulls fan payton did the best job on mj. The 96 finals was mjs worst. 41 percent shooting for mj from the field. Three games objectively shot the ball bad 26 percent, 33 percent, and 40 percent. Only 1 game above 50 percent out of the 6. Respect the glove
You kiddme john was the blueprint an he was flashy it happen so quick you'll miss it he was cold blooded, for those who argue his pure greatest just remember the summer of 92 the world needed him an he stood on business 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😊😊😊😊
John Stockton was the only player who on weak side help ans double teams could rob Jordan clean! There was one time in the '97 or '98 Finals where he robbed Jordan so clean, he thought he was still dribbling the ball. By the time Jordan realized he didn’t have the ball, it was tio late to give chase!!
All kids would be well served watching Mr Payton who was every bit the player Mr Stockton was. Thats not my opinion, thats a fact. Great at OSU, Great NBA player
Wow he admire stock so much he almost cried giving respect to he think was the best in his eyes and being a white man at that wow gotta respect the glove for giving credit where credit is due
the most overlooked great in nba history, if he was with another system than utah, he would have been more famous and could easily be a driving force in a team.
Stockton was filling up the stat sheet in those 32 minutes. Scoring was much lower when he played, the guy accounted for 45% - 50% of the total offense.
One of the most overrated superstars of all times no mvps no chips never the best player on the team,not the best passer of his generation or the best perimeter defender in the league but they praise this guy like he larry bird or something
This man got up there and told the bold face lie 🤥. He lied like a preacher at a funeral,telling a family that there gang banging drug dealing son is going to inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
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Stockton was a pure point guard 💯
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And a damn good one too! He wasn't flashy and he didn't showboat. He was a true floor general and a very underrated player, but he got the job done and he did his job very well.
I immediately think john Stockton when point guards get mentioned
Absolutely
The purest PG the game has ever seen
Giving another man flowers while he's alive is truly a blessing. Respect. 💯
"First of all, it's my opinion...And that's the way it's going to go...."Gary P....Real Oakland....
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Im glad he said that... People just want every player to glaze MJ
@@Bigedub101ok Lediddy Lepuffy Lecombs James
Congratulations Payton for admitting the truth John Stockton I'd a NBA legend
No he Idint
@@bdww4072Well he should have because Stockton absolutely is. Voted #24 best player in history of NBA!! Legendary!!!
Stockton was lion hearted and underrated as far as being clutch goes
John Stockton was a legend. I miss 90’s basketball so much. Thats when basketball was basketball and not just a fashion show and 3 point defenseless contest.
Facts. Football suffering the same fate. All offense passing no defense.
I have so much respect for The Glove saying that...Stockton is so terribly forgotten and overlooked-but he had an unmatched grit and toughness, and he was a great player.
Stockton is the diametric opposite of forgotten lmao??? Tf
I’m not even a fan of dude, but get real lol
Leads all steals and assists all eras, also played 17 seasons complete 82 games, no newbie is gonna catch those numbers, he was built tough, who of the new nba players can play 17 seasons 82 games?
Shoot do any of them actually play the whole 82 anymore?
It's hard - they're saying that the kids these days are playing way too much by the time they go pro; their legs are already worn out. Too much competition year round
Mikal bridges actually broke the record by playing 83, he was traded right after a phoenix game, where in Brooklyn there was another game, he went and played that game too, he never missed a game in his NBA career, or in his basketball career as a whole.
Great point. Answer, not one star for sure...he was incredible.
@@zebrasarenothorseshow? They leave college after a year. All these guys played 4 years of college and all the extra stuff too back then just excuses from over payed players who haven't proved anything.
When the game used true point guards. Stockton and Payton 2 of the best.
The game has evolved out of silly traditional archetypes which is actually what "positions" are in a game where everyone has the same set of rules and roams freely across the entire playing surface.
Back in the day they just called short guys who were good at passing and dribbling but didn't score as much point guards but now some big guys (magic in the past, Luka, Lebron, SGA) can be the playmakers and little guys (Curry, Dame, Westbrook) can be the scorers.
Positions don't and have never mattered. Teams are finally realizing that it's an advantage to have 5 guys who can all score and defend multiple positions so they look for skillsets rather than trying to force players intp dated archetypes.
That being said, Stockton and Glove are two of the greatest "basketball players" to have played and would be great in any era. You would just have to tell John to shoot the damn ball when he's left open at the three point line for wide open shots which he was so reluctant to do in his era.
No... The game has been dumbed down for a less intelligent generation. The NBA is nothing more than an entertainment product and the rules reflect that.@@bdww4072
@@bdww4072 if you think Lebron playing PG for team USA over Tyrese Halliburton is evolution then you’ve got a bad case of brain rot. They almost lost because of that nonsense.
@@beanlegume9965 Idk about that specific instance because I wasn't paying that much attention to the rotations but I just mean in general that the reason PGs like Dame Lillard and Jalen Brunson are so effective is because scoring is so much easier today so having your point guard as another elite bucket getter is a good thing not a negative.
Just being on the court to pass the ball around (not the case with stock or Glove but I'm saying if assists totals is what people are focusing on) is not as valuable as being able to score at a high level as well.
In fact, Gary Payton became a very effective scorer from 98 until 02.
Choir boy face Stockton was an assassin
Pulling up in the Minivan.
Stockton is one of those player that if he is in the opposing team you absolutely hate him but if he is in your squad you love him…some label him as dirty but he did what needed to be done against player that outgunned him athletically he made up with grit and pure basketball efficiency
Fan or not , Stockton is/was an objectively dirty player
My nigga Stockton legendary iconic point guard pick and roll was unstoppable with malone
These two had great battles.
Stockton was fundamentally sound in everything basketball
Except volume scoring.
@@bdww4072he was a decent scorer by his time standards. Today's NBA started this PG shooting first madness.
Stockton is cut from the Original Point God Cloth!!!!
It didn't hurt Stockton to have the Mailman making on time special deliveries!
I mean Karl Malone looked better because of John. Kind of like Amare needed Nash
It hurt him in the playoffs, in which Malone is one of the all time greatest chokers.
Stock was playing alone when it counted.
Too bad they didn't have a little more to go battle with. Hornacek was good, but they got him late in their careers. Jeff Malone was too, but he was not there that long. Other than them it was a bunch of role players for the most part. They did quite well with what they had to work with. IMO
@@Turk_2023while I agree wholeheartedly with your premise....Amare didn't need anyone. He proved this his one healthy year in New York. Nash certainly made him better as Nash did with anyone he played with but Amare would have been just fine.
@@bdww4072 Did the Knicks even make the playoffs before Melo got there?
If not for MJ, Stockton would have a few rings and GP would have 2
Miss these players
John Stockton was nice dropping dimes
Stockton was tough to guard because Utah ran a ton of screens. Defenders were constantly running into Malone, Carr, or some other big body and Stockton was constantly moving with or without the ball. It was probably exhausting.
He was also setting the screens against the biggest of the bigs.
That guy wasn't afraid of anyone.
Stockton didn't get tired either.
I’m a MJ guy. He’s the GOAT. But he ain’t running you off a ton of off-ball screens and he’s not pick-n-rolling you to death AND he’s holding and grabbing AAAANNNNND he was a ball hawk!
Stock was a fucking handful!
I agree. Any up and coming point guard should watch John Stockton. He was so good at the fundamentals basic basketball. He was was not flashy and sexy with it and I think that’s why he does not get his just due. But that man is a legend. 15 assists? Doing what a point guard should be doing. They don’t make them so fundamentally sound like that anymore….
Love both those guys! Legends.
Stockton was a student of the game.who became a master in it.very disciplined and savy on that court.he believed in his coach and his coach believed in him.he did it buy the book.salute to Mr.John Stockton.#nba legend#Jazz legend #Gonzaga great 💪
Well said!
You haven't been getting a lot of slack, Gare-bear. You've been catching a lot of flak.
If you look at his late 80s and early 90s stats, he'd have games with like 25-30 assists. Just unrealistic numbers.
He was the consummate point guard.
GP has a highest respect for John Stockton
I love the greats. Their "favorite" players are usually the opponents who made them work the hardest.
My favourite PG ever
Hated the sea Utah battles growing up cause it always stressed me as a sonics fan. Respected Utah though
Stockton is a white EEL, reason why he is hard to guard as a point guard. You have to be a greyhound to catch him,
Not alot of true points left anymore man someone gonna argue lol lets go
That’s a warrior. Just remember the size is not happy you are as what kind of heart you have.
Oh my goodness… Stockton harder to guard than Jordan… 😅 these guys be disrespecting MJ, both of these clowns couldn’t beat MJ
Mike always had the better team
Someone can be a much better scorer and still be easier to guard depending on how they get their points and their versatility
@@BRockin25 you seriously think it was tougher to guard John Stockton than Mike Jordan?!? Lmao
@@delldorado9892 way harder. Stockton was one of the best conditioned NBA players of all time
@@BRockin25 like Jordan was not. Lmao we talking about MJ Lmao not Tom Gugliotta
Thank u GP...... Now stop saying Curry is a top anything as a pg that he changes the game..... All he can do is shoot...... Give me Cp3, GP, Stockton, Kidd, Rose, Kyrie, Iverson, Rhondo & more over Curry's overrated a$$
That why Stock a HOFer, we ain't hating..., he got his flowers....
It wouldn't surprise me if CP3 said he modeled his game after these 2. Early CP3 was a combo of these 2. That's how he became known as the "point god." He took everything he could from these 2 and added some Zek (the original I.T.) as the game transition into this modern style of scoring pg.
John and Gary were tough as nails. John did not miss games, especially in the playoffs. CP3 just wants to play good enough to get paid.
Point God?
Point fraud more likely.
Respect!!
Stockton was substance over flash. Very underrated player imo
My nigga johnnie stock❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
yup John looks like a choir boy but damn tough as nails.
Stockton thinking: I made ALL my freethrows
Gary knows "good & well" that MJ was the hardest man to guard for his entire career. Stop hating on Jordan, my long-time friend, teammate, and rival from elementary to high school. Ya still my boy though! ❤😀🙏🏼
Respect
Thats such love.... stockton needs this more instead of jokers talking about "stat padding"
Grew up watching stockton & jordan.. nice era to watch basketball ❤ art.. pure art..
I am agree with you. The Glove AND Stockton the Best guards. Both.
I remember him he was there for him and his team
His description of stockton's FG% is a bit exaggerated, but his 51.5% lifetime FG% compares favorably with payton's 46.6, jordan's 50.5 even excluding his wizards years, and magic's 52
I don't see any plumber comments Augusta only happens when is Michael Jordan lol
Stockton was sneaky athletic! Lunch pail guy. First one in, last one out. Plays for the front of jersey not the back. Real scrappy...
These young kids don’t realize how much of a problem John was dude could ball
As a bulls fan payton did the best job on mj. The 96 finals was mjs worst. 41 percent shooting for mj from the field. Three games objectively shot the ball bad 26 percent, 33 percent, and 40 percent. Only 1 game above 50 percent out of the 6. Respect the glove
Impossible to guard that 💯
John Stockton is underrated PG
I honestly think Stockton is beloved and not as underrated as everyone says. I mean even Kendrick had to put him in a song to destroy BBL Drizzy.
You kiddme john was the blueprint an he was flashy it happen so quick you'll miss it he was cold blooded, for those who argue his pure greatest just remember the summer of 92 the world needed him an he stood on business 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😊😊😊😊
Jordan Stan’s feel entitled to hearing the answer Jordan to anything basketball related. It’s ridiculous
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John Stockton was the only player who on weak side help ans double teams could rob Jordan clean! There was one time in the '97 or '98 Finals where he robbed Jordan so clean, he thought he was still dribbling the ball. By the time Jordan realized he didn’t have the ball, it was tio late to give chase!!
The Jazz and Sonics had some really great games and playoff battles with these two players leaving it all on the floor. Much respect to them both.
Exactly like everybody else
lots of grace and humility from gary payton
Big time stuff
And some dude named gilbert is disrespecting sir john
That white dude was no one to f*** with. Top 50 player for real and top 5 all-time point guard
I can totally understand him and he had to face Stockton more then Jordan...
All kids would be well served watching
Mr Payton who was every bit the player
Mr Stockton was. Thats not my opinion, thats a fact. Great at OSU, Great NBA player
I'm glad these 2 got to play together on the 96 Olympic team!
We’ll said mr payton
Many have him 2nd all time behind Magic
Wow he admire stock so much he almost cried giving respect to he think was the best in his eyes and being a white man at that wow gotta respect the glove for giving credit where credit is due
Stockton is top 10 of all time. Yes I said it!
Flack/Slack, Tomato/Tomahto
King of the pick and roll. Stockton
The true point God
GP must have never played against Magic! 😂
He did actually and Magic whooped his ass but clearly you didn't listen to what he said if you don't understand why that doesn't matter.
Lot of slack?
the most overlooked great in nba history, if he was with another system than utah, he would have been more famous and could easily be a driving force in a team.
love it❤🎉
Efficient
Stockton was filling up the stat sheet in those 32 minutes. Scoring was much lower when he played, the guy accounted for 45% - 50% of the total offense.
OK.
Stock has more assists and steals all time than anyone..👍 The “ Glove “ was not to shabby either…🏀😜
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One of the most overrated superstars of all times no mvps no chips never the best player on the team,not the best passer of his generation or the best perimeter defender in the league but they praise this guy like he larry bird or something
This man got up there and told the bold face lie 🤥. He lied like a preacher at a funeral,telling a family that there gang banging drug dealing son is going to inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
The Glove. Listen up yall. No one controls the flow better in the history of the game at the 1. 💯
Yeah his matchup so mostly stockton not mj
Which has nothing to do with his answer though. Nice try.
@@bdww4072wrong. It has everything to do with his answer.