I had no idea it would take as many cartridges as that in order to inflate one tyre. I’ll be ditching that method and going back to the air pump. Many thanks for the info.
This video is most helpful. I ride in the UK, mostly day rides out and back. So far I have been fortunate enough not to have a puncture, but here, road surfaces are getting worse through lack of up keep. I now carry a cigar lighter socket powered small compressor in my top box.Thanks for a really helpful video.
Thanks for comparing. I travel with 6 small bottles since I don't need full pressure to limp to the next gas station and a fixed tire with co2 should not be ridden at high speeds anyways. As long as there are 29psi or more I will be limping fine. For my usecase I wont switch unless I get A so many flats it becomes worth switching or B I plan touring really remote areas.
@@teejaybradford4517 I actually had to put it into practice a couple weeks ago and was fine driving to the workshop in the next city. Tire Pressure Monitor is something great btw it warned me before I noticed the tire was flat. Drove over a screw.
Excellent video! You just saved me some space in my tool kit. In addition to a compressor, I have been carrying 3 CO2 cartridges which I now know is a waste of space!
Brilliant useful share. Thanks! Was just contemplating this exact issue and you covered it perfectly. Its a compressor for me then. I'd be interested to know what type of plugging material you prefer and whether you personally trust repaired tyres? Thanks again 👍
My experience with the compressors is they burn fuses or burn themselves out. I have never had success with them. Hopefully yours is different. Thanks for showing the use of the co2 cartridges. I would be able to split up the cartridges if needed. Buy a stash of them for home. Maybe they come filled with air instead? Your video work was very nice.
Many seem to think this is something you use to put pressure in your tires and ride the rest of the season. It is not the use case. This is a long-term storable and very stable way to have a way to reinflate a tire to get you out of a problem situation. Once you're out of that situation you either replace the tire if needed, or release the CO2 and then re-inflate with proper air. This is not something you use to top your tires off of we're going on a regular ride. A larger more durable air compressor should be kept at home or used at a local facility like fuel station or vehicle shop if you have access. I think CO2 is a fantastic idea with near indefinite storage to keep on your motorcycle for those problem times that you may or may not run into. The battery operated ones are nice if they get somewhat of a regular use, but you still have one additional item to worry about maintaining and keeping charged. Not to mention extreme heat or extreme cold degrades and could potentially damage the battery depending on what type is used. Using a pump that is powered by the motorcycle would make more sense to me, but depending on your specific motorcycle and what additional electrical add-ons you have, it could cause excess strain on the charging system and potentially lead to more serious concerns with the bike. Obviously the likelihood of that is very low but that has to be measured by the individual when deciding what type of system you would like to have.
I would carry both....that 12v pump prob wont last to long....best of both worlds with both. I carry 5 co2 and a slightly bigger 12v pump than yours. Very interesting video Sir many thanks. Nick in the Uk.
Paintball cylinders hold MUCH more. I use CO2 for MIG welding so I've a variety of cylinders and often carry them in my trucks. For a truck etc a little "kegerator" 5lb cylinder is a reasonable minimum but I also carry 7lb steel cylinders. Try filling a paintball cylinder from either an inverted vapor withdrawal cylinder (which I use for welding and larger pneumatic fills) or from a local paintball outfit (more expensive). CO2 and other industrial gases are awesome but baby cylinders are for CO2 pistols. As for your adapter determine your thread sizes and it may be worth having a stainless fitting tapped by a machine shop, but the paintball tire inflation parts are common with plenty of online info.
Yeah, two problems with canisters; as they cool down from the expansion of gases they lose potential pressure. This is why air powered cars are a no-go. Putting the sleeve they provide on the canister actually makes this worse as they can’t absorb heat from the surrounding atmosphere; second, each subsequent bottle has to push air against a higher pressure in the tire, which means less goes in. The smaller canisters (16 gram) are typically at 90 PSI, the 24 gram are typically double that. So you may get more usable air out of a larger canister. YMMV.
I completely disagree. This system isn't supposed to completely fill a tyre. It's supposed to get you to a point where is safe to ride to somewhere you can fill. Correctly. I've used 3 and it gave me enough to cover 25 miles without issue after I plugged the tyre. I'd always use these over some janky pump that could technically break anytime.
I had an experience where I believe the co2 cartridge was left in a bb pistol for some years and damaged a rubber o ring. The o ring wasnt drying out, but seemed to be eaten away on the co2 side, not the open air side. This has led me to fear that co2 might not be good for rubber.
@@blackswanodysseys I did some reading and it seems that CO2 and rubber aren't the best of friends generally. I didn't come across anything that applies directly to my friend's bb gun, but CO2 can damage rubber, and it will leak through rubber. Flushing a tire or tube with air is recommended when emergency CO2 inflation has been employed. The things we learn ...
@@blackswanodysseysi think these would be good for dual sport riders. Our tires are smaller than yours, and we aren't airing up from flat, but we do air down to 5-10 psi on trails. This would be good to air back up to get on the road
Hi, As a solo rider I wish to buy that tiny tyre inflator, (Time 4:43) what is the name of the product, if possible provide me the product link. Thanks for the video.
C02s seemed to work just fine here: th-cam.com/video/OJ-2mWz9CPA/w-d-xo.html I am going to carry it for a dirt bike, which is reported to require 1 - 2 cartridges for a dirt bike tire.
I like Backcountry AV moto and recommend his videos. But there's a big difference in riding on 23 psi on a dirt bike vs. a road bike. Also there's a volume difference here. But maybe the co2 system will work just fine for your needs. I don't believe its a bad system, just not practical for my needs. You should test out and see if 1-2 cartridges work for your dirt bike tire. Post back and let us know what you discover
Finally someone shows a real test, I'll be staying with my air compressor.
I had no idea it would take as many cartridges as that in order to inflate one tyre. I’ll be ditching that method and going back to the air pump. Many thanks for the info.
This video is most helpful. I ride in the UK, mostly day rides out and back. So far I have been fortunate enough not to have a puncture, but here, road surfaces are getting worse through lack of up keep. I now carry a cigar lighter socket powered small compressor in my top box.Thanks for a really helpful video.
Thanks for comparing. I travel with 6 small bottles since I don't need full pressure to limp to the next gas station and a fixed tire with co2 should not be ridden at high speeds anyways. As long as there are 29psi or more I will be limping fine. For my usecase I wont switch unless I get A so many flats it becomes worth switching or B I plan touring really remote areas.
this part..you don't need full pressure to limp home
@@teejaybradford4517 I actually had to put it into practice a couple weeks ago and was fine driving to the workshop in the next city.
Tire Pressure Monitor is something great btw it warned me before I noticed the tire was flat. Drove over a screw.
Excellent video! You just saved me some space in my tool kit. In addition to a compressor, I have been carrying 3 CO2 cartridges which I now know is a waste of space!
Glad it helped
Useful, thank you. I did the same with my pump; took it out of the housing. It does get hot, so have your gloves handy.
Just make a hanger to hook on your bike somewhere. Pump cools down fast
Did you watch my video on my de-casing a pump?
Brilliant useful share. Thanks! Was just contemplating this exact issue and you covered it perfectly. Its a compressor for me then. I'd be interested to know what type of plugging material you prefer and whether you personally trust repaired tyres? Thanks again 👍
Paul, I will do that shortly.
My experience with the compressors is they burn fuses or burn themselves out. I have never had success with them. Hopefully yours is different. Thanks for showing the use of the co2 cartridges. I would be able to split up the cartridges if needed. Buy a stash of them for home. Maybe they come filled with air instead? Your video work was very nice.
Thank you
Many seem to think this is something you use to put pressure in your tires and ride the rest of the season. It is not the use case. This is a long-term storable and very stable way to have a way to reinflate a tire to get you out of a problem situation. Once you're out of that situation you either replace the tire if needed, or release the CO2 and then re-inflate with proper air.
This is not something you use to top your tires off of we're going on a regular ride. A larger more durable air compressor should be kept at home or used at a local facility like fuel station or vehicle shop if you have access. I think CO2 is a fantastic idea with near indefinite storage to keep on your motorcycle for those problem times that you may or may not run into.
The battery operated ones are nice if they get somewhat of a regular use, but you still have one additional item to worry about maintaining and keeping charged. Not to mention extreme heat or extreme cold degrades and could potentially damage the battery depending on what type is used. Using a pump that is powered by the motorcycle would make more sense to me, but depending on your specific motorcycle and what additional electrical add-ons you have, it could cause excess strain on the charging system and potentially lead to more serious concerns with the bike. Obviously the likelihood of that is very low but that has to be measured by the individual when deciding what type of system you would like to have.
Great Vid! this is my first video to watch while having my breakfast..... thanks for the share . SUBBED and LIKED ;;
Thanks. Useful information
I would carry both....that 12v pump prob wont last to long....best of both worlds with both.
I carry 5 co2 and a slightly bigger 12v pump than yours.
Very interesting video Sir many thanks.
Nick in the Uk.
Thank you. I understand your comment about the pump. I made video on just the pump.
Paintball cylinders hold MUCH more. I use CO2 for MIG welding so I've a variety of cylinders and often carry them in my trucks. For a truck etc a little "kegerator" 5lb cylinder is a reasonable minimum but I also carry 7lb steel cylinders. Try filling a paintball cylinder from either an inverted vapor withdrawal cylinder (which I use for welding and larger pneumatic fills) or from a local paintball outfit (more expensive). CO2 and other industrial gases are awesome but baby cylinders are for CO2 pistols. As for your adapter determine your thread sizes and it may be worth having a stainless fitting tapped by a machine shop, but the paintball tire inflation parts are common with plenty of online info.
That’s good info. Thx
Yeah, two problems with canisters; as they cool down from the expansion of gases they lose potential pressure. This is why air powered cars are a no-go. Putting the sleeve they provide on the canister actually makes this worse as they can’t absorb heat from the surrounding atmosphere; second, each subsequent bottle has to push air against a higher pressure in the tire, which means less goes in. The smaller canisters (16 gram) are typically at 90 PSI, the 24 gram are typically double that. So you may get more usable air out of a larger canister. YMMV.
You can use the canister to seat the tyre after a flat then fill with bike pump
I completely disagree. This system isn't supposed to completely fill a tyre.
It's supposed to get you to a point where is safe to ride to somewhere you can fill. Correctly.
I've used 3 and it gave me enough to cover 25 miles without issue after I plugged the tyre.
I'd always use these over some janky pump that could technically break anytime.
Great. BTW what’s your tire size
@@blackswanodysseys 180/55/17
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's a survival item to enable you to get yourself out of trouble
I'm really concerned about the CO2 cartridges. Is it safe to leave the inside of the luggage on a sunny day?
Think you would have to get them very hot. Much hotter than keeping in luggage on hot day
I had an experience where I believe the co2 cartridge was left in a bb pistol for some years and damaged a rubber o ring. The o ring wasnt drying out, but seemed to be eaten away on the co2 side, not the open air side. This has led me to fear that co2 might not be good for rubber.
That’s interesting
@@blackswanodysseys I did some reading and it seems that CO2 and rubber aren't the best of friends generally. I didn't come across anything that applies directly to my friend's bb gun, but CO2 can damage rubber, and it will leak through rubber. Flushing a tire or tube with air is recommended when emergency CO2 inflation has been employed.
The things we learn ...
We learn from each other’s experiences and knowledge. Thank Joe for your research
We learn I had a good day at school today. But I will still us CO2 then flush it asap.
these small canisters are for bicycles. One 16g will fill up both tires if needed.
Yes they are. The Motorcycle industry adopted the idea from the bicycle industry
@@blackswanodysseysi think these would be good for dual sport riders. Our tires are smaller than yours, and we aren't airing up from flat, but we do air down to 5-10 psi on trails. This would be good to air back up to get on the road
Agreed
I settled on a portable 12volt pump. Just as compact and I can conduct multi inflations. But yes I agree C02 can work with lower volume tires
Can you get the bead to seal using gas if the tire is completely flat?
Yes, it’ll take a lot more co2 cartridges. Half again to double the amount
Hi, As a solo rider I wish to buy that tiny tyre inflator, (Time 4:43) what is the name of the product, if possible provide me the product link. Thanks for the video.
That is a tire pump I converted. Watch my video “DIY compact pump” for instructions.
@@blackswanodysseys Thank you very much, will watch it🤝
@@Senthiil reach out to me here if you have any further questions
@@blackswanodysseys Sure will do . Thanks a lot🤝
Where'd you buy the electric pump with 12v motor sir?
Morning sir, watch my other video. It covers how i created the tire pump you asked about
th-cam.com/video/pjCj1lu08F8/w-d-xo.html
Miniture bicycle pump 😉
Are you sure that 8 × 16 = 1 × 128 ?
Yes
mathematically? yes.
Better still why don't you have nitrogen in a cylinder to fill the Bike or car tyres or push bikes to make pedling a lot easier
What difference would nitrogen make? Air is mostly nitrogen.
C02s seemed to work just fine here: th-cam.com/video/OJ-2mWz9CPA/w-d-xo.html
I am going to carry it for a dirt bike, which is reported to require 1 - 2 cartridges for a dirt bike tire.
I like Backcountry AV moto and recommend his videos. But there's a big difference in riding on 23 psi on a dirt bike vs. a road bike. Also there's a volume difference here. But maybe the co2 system will work just fine for your needs. I don't believe its a bad system, just not practical for my needs. You should test out and see if 1-2 cartridges work for your dirt bike tire. Post back and let us know what you discover
Jack, sorry my last reply went away for some reason. 12 psi for dirt bikes is perfect for the system then.
The usual useless corporate shit