Why Everyone Needs a 308
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In this video, we discuss the reasons why everyone should own at least one rifle chambered in the ever-useful 308 Winchester.
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Back in 2019, Someone I knew was just getting into guns, and just getting into hunting. I told him to get a 308 rifle for hunting because it was a very common round. He listened to the person working in the local gun store and got a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle instead. 2020 came and he could never find ammo for his gun that year and the year after that. 308 and 7.62x51 however, could still be found on the shelf of my local gun store even in the midst of the pandemic.
My area was the opposite. I could find 6.5 but not 308. The common calibers were impossible to find. The odd calibers were available.
San Antonio only had 17 hmr on the shelf. From now on, every time I think of getting a new caliber I’m stocking up on ammo first.
For hunting, I would have no problem with a 308. 6.5 creedmoor doesn’t really have an advantage over 308 until you get past 400 yards. I wouldn’t want to try to shoot something that far anyway because it would probably suffer if i did. Plus the 308 has a much longer barrel life. When ammo was more scarce, my local Walmart still had winchester white box in 308 and one or two other common calibers.
@@bemad1014 this is the way. Then ammo shortages don't matter.
6.5 creedmore has a very short barrel life. And it doesn’t have an advantage until after 500 yards. I’ll stick with.308
I am a native German speaker, Swiss German to be precise, but I very much like that expression Eric uses quite often "you wanna scratch that itch for...". It is so wonderfull that we are different in many ways, each with their unique own special little features but it is also extremely very valuable to have a common language so we can understand each other, learn and, most importantly, have fun together.
Greetings from Switzerland to all of you, US gun culture rocks!
I can't pronounce your name, but so good to have you as an honorary member of our 2A family, in truth it's global!!!
We do love our guns, and we love Swiss and German guns too!
Bro no… SWISS GUN CULTURE IS 🤌
Hey German native. You Germans got some bad ass guns
@@shaunscott5276they aren't German 😅
Over here in Sweden 308 is the most used cartridge for hunting by far. We hunt everything from roe deer up to moose/brown bear with it. It does it all without any problems.
The 308 didn't become a military sniper round for nothing!!!! It is and always will be a relevant round in the world of long range shooting and hunting. You just have to know its limits as well as your own. Fabulous round - period.
6.5 Creedmoor has been marketed like crazy … I’m not that impressed with the real world results of the cartridge
@@CircleBrewery Could not agree more.
It will still be relevant in broader terms for general hunting and shooting, but its days and range for long range are extremely limited. The military is running from 308 in all precision roles except the semi-auto DM platforms that seldom see use in anything over 400 yds anyway. I dont own a 6.5 Creedmoore, but have shot its ballistic twin, the 260 Remington for over 10 years now. If you arent impressed with its "Real World" results, its only because you havent done anything with it. There is a reason why the 308 is now segregated into its own class in PRS matches: because it gets the shit kicked out of it everywhere, every time. I love my 308s and will never be without one, but if you are shooting over 500 yards with one, you are at a significant disadvantage to say the very least. Thats not hyperbole, thats just plain facts.
@@jammerlr7780 I guess if all you do is shoot paper, and humans, you’re right. It’s terminal performance on game is lacking. That’s a fact.
@@TheTrueNorth11 Only if you can’t shoot.
Your truly correct everyone needs a 308
or two
I started on 30-06 and used it for years, but have switched to 308 several years back. I just have one last 30-06 to sell to complete the transition…a Browning BAR Lightweight in walnut.
How is your comment 3 hours old when the video hasn't been released an hour yet?
Eh I don't need one, but I'd like one.
@@CalimehChelonia or five
Inside of 600 yards, 308 is the best performance to value cartridge that’s available everywhere. It’s not going anywhere and will cover 95% of all civilian applications. It can go out to 800-1K if needed but it’s just not as effective as the newer cartridges like 6.5 Creedmore. If you constantly chase the best performance you will never be able to stockpile ammo unless you are a millionaire. Training is far more important and knowing your rifle, optic and dope.
Well said.
agree
For what?
308 carries more energy than 6.5 400 yards plus.
6.5 is just a flatter trajectory
The backup is a totally valid point. This year I took my normal bolt action 30-06 and the optic malfunctioned. Luckily I had taken my trusty AR10 in .308 and put some venison in the freezer.
@Kevin Hart if that's all a person ate, sure.
But 500 calories a day with other food stuff could stretch out to 80 hearty meals
Trusty and AR in the same sentence. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AR-10’s are ridiculously heavy. It is good you had a .308 as a backup. Get a SCAR 17, or a POF Rogue or Revolution. You can even go with the new lightweight Ruger, if quality is not important to you. It is definitely cheaper. Then you won’t need a backup or a bolt gun. A lightweight semiautomatic in .308 is the ultimate rifle.
Dd5 v4 is great also not quite as heavy as the other ar10s
great content: personally .308, 5.56, & 9mm are my favorite calibers as well as probably the most common calibers obviously besides 12 gauge .45, 7.62x39 and .22lr
I had one in almost mint condition. It was beautiful. It was also a terrible shooter group wise. I sold it.
10mm best pistol round ever made for sure it is literally life changing.
@@jpbullys420 only problem I have with that is in an SHTF scenario it would not be a common round.
@@jpbullys420 I was just dropping in to vote 10mm in addition to the others listed.
If 'everything you can do I can do better' was a caliber it would be 10mm
Just admit it you love every caliber....lol just like the rest of us
You’re right. 308 rifles are versatile. Its cartridge is a general purpose.
It's useful to 1000+ yards. Not as sexy as a 6.5 Creedmoor, but it retains more energy at range and reloading components are EVERYWHERE.
The cartridge is inherently very efficient and accurate, and moreover it is very easy to find powder, primer and bullets that work very well for .308. It's compatible with a huge range of weapons from single shots to mini-guns. It's also deadly efficient at taking out human threats, especially those behind barriers and wearing body armor even though armor that can stop a .308 round is in wide use. Most battle rifle rounds used worldwide in fact have ballistics very similar or only a little above that of the .308 Winchester, even the still very effective 7.62X54mm Russian cartridge.
I always recommend everyone gets at least one thing in as many calibers as they can get, so they can always find ammo for something of theirs.
Fuckin great advice!!
Caliber conversion kits can be useful for this too. Maybe not quite as effective but less expensive for those with a bit less available funding. A single shot 12 gauge with the right kit gives you a lot of caliber options
I get lots of things in the most common types. You'll always be able to find 9mm, 308, 5.56, x39...
I am actually selling some of my guns. If evacuation becomes the most reasonable option, then only having enough guns that you can carry with you without sacrificing space in your bug-out vehicle without sacrificing space to carry your family, emergency provisions, etc... I was recently worried about being 'red-flagged' by my angry ex-wife, so I took my guns and put them in 'safe storage' at a friend's FFL gunshop. IT TOOK ME 2 TRIPS in my 4 door 5 passenger pickup truck to move all my guns. This is a problem. If a tsunami or hurricane posed justifiable reason for evacuating my home, I don't want to waste more than 10 minutes loading guns into my 'GOOD' (get out of dodge) vehicle. My only non-standard caliber guns are ones that were owned by 3 or 4 generations of my family. 22LR, 38/.357, 41, 44 revolvers. 410 bore, 20ga, 12ga shotguns. 22LR, 5.56, 30-30, .308, 30-06 rifles. My outlier is my M1 Carbine because I prefer it's lighter weight and 30 caliber round vs a typical 5.56 AR-15 and I own enough magazines and rounds for it to be combat effective for 3 complete patrol load-outs. Also consider - do you own at least 200 or more rounds for each chambering? If you only own 10 chamberings, that could be as little as 2000 rounds of ammo to load into your bug-out vehicle. If you own 40 different chamberings, that is 8,000 rounds minimum to load up while the flood is approaching.
I'm selling my odd-ball caliber guns. Why have to evacuate and leave guns that may be pointed at me upon my return?
I've been getting more and more into buying various calibers because I like having some experience with a little bit of everything. Also your point is quite right. Always got ammo for something...most of the time anyway.
Just got my first. 44 and I'm not having great luck with finding ammo but that's ok. As long as I can do a bit of shootin for now I'm happy.
here in the UK the most popular deer cartridge is without doubt .243win closely followed by the .308win, personally I hand load for my .308 but you will always find shop ammo for these two cartridges, I have taken many deer with my .308 from 40lbs to well over 350lbs at ranges out to more than 250yds and never recovered a bullet, that says to me that the .308win is probably as good as it gets for any deer species at non deer sniper ranges
.243 is the only round I would use beside .308. It is accurate and devestating!
In Canada, I used my .303 Lee Enfield for decades. It was with the full military stock (never sporterized) and iron sights; it never let me down and put a lot of venison in the freezer. As I got older, for some reason the rifle got heavier so I decided to finally spend some money and get a modern deer hunting rifle (Tikka T3). Being an old soldier, I decided on my old trusty 7.62x51 round as this is what we used in our FN C1s and C2s. I knew the .303 could ethically and humanely dispatch anything I hunted, and the .308 would do the same. Where I got to really appreciate having a .308 was during Covid and the subsequent ammo shortages. At places like Canadian Tire, they would be sold out of 6.5 Creedmore, .303 British and the like, however .308 was available in both 150 and 180 grain from various manufacturers. Consequently, I haven’t seen any .303 on the shelf for over a year now.
Save your brass and reload. 🇨🇦🇬🇧🏴
@@vincentnastri7736Amen to that! Also, I'd recommend to learn bullet casting for .303B. I never have to worry about finding .314 (actually for me .315) projectiles.
@piobmhor8529 - The way I see it, the .303 British cartridge is the "30-30" of Canada. That old-time cartridge which has been around forever but still gets the job done. If I remember correctly, when the Canadian Rangers finally got around to retiring their old .303 Lee-Enfield No. IV Mk. I rifles a few years back, they chose a Tikka bolt-action in .308 to replace it. Similar power levels; .303 slots in at about 90-95% the power of .308 Winchester in most loads.
Fascinating history of the various Lee-Enfield rifles and the .303 British rimmed cartridge, too, but man alive they're sort of a pain to hand-load. If you can find components in the first place. It can be done, but my real problem is that I don't know the ins-and-outs of it like you guys up north do.
You'll run into plenty of people who say that .303 British or .308 Winchester aren't enough thump for hunting the biggest, meanest game in Canada and Alaska, but tell that to the Canadian Rangers. They used .303s for decades and managed just fine. You need a premium bullet, but that's true of almost all cartridges when it comes to hunting large, disagreeable species of any kind anywhere.
I'm a big hockey fan. So, what do you think? Is this the season Toronto finally figures it out? Or maybe Edmonton? Vancouver look hot right now, too... My beloved Chicago Blackhawks are rebuilding, so no cup ambitions just yet, but watching number one pick Connor Bedard is sure fun!
Today, choosing the .308 over the .303 is about the practicality. Whether in Canada or the US, the .303 ammo, brass and bullets are just not that plentiful as in days of old. And yes, the .303 does have its share of quirks as to reloading.... sizing only the neck of the brass being most notable. During the off & on ammo shortages of the past 15 or so years, .308 (and .30-06 and. 30-30 too) were somewhat more plentiful. Hey, I still love my No4 Mk1 Maltby, but reality is what it is.
30-30 is a popular hunting round here in the U.S.... during covid people were begging for just a few rounds to go hunting with. But I could go to the local walmart and get a box of .308 (had to go first thing in the morning though).
Just completed my big 3 battle rifle collection. FAL, G3, and soon to be M1A.
The 30-06 is my bigger-than-5.56 choice. This is also because I did most of my shooting fundamental training with an M1 Garand.
Surplus black-tip is plentiful.. or was still not long ago. 308 still for “common-rule” for prep imo.
@bigc Black tip is the ONLY reason I would say to choose .30-06 over .308 as a cartridge. .30-06 black tip is nasty, standard .30-06 is just marginally better than .308 with a few drawbacks.
The guns though. There is just something that draws me to the M1 Garand and the 1903 (a3 or a4).
@@09jisaac The M1 Garand just feels right in my hands.
Also if I could get my hands on a USN .308 Garand I would.
@@09jisaac Just picked up a 1917 Enfield.
@@09jisaac buy some Surplus blacktip projectiles and load your own .308. A 20 round mag of those bad boys would be an attention getter.
Everything you said in this video is true, especially about the availability over most ammunition in podunk stores like in my area. I've been using the same 1985 Win. M70 carbine (20" barrel) in .308 since 1986, it's never let me down outside operator error. Keep up the great vids!
My browning A-Bolt micro I bought the same time and still bangin. Well spent money for sure. Have like 750$ total with a 3-9x50 Nikon.
The only.308 I own is a Howa 1500. Works like a charm for these piggies out here in Texas! I enjoy the cartridge and never have problem finding it in store as y'all have clearly mentioned. Very utilitarian.... period
I agree 100% I stocked up on Barnaul steel case 308 for about 35 cents a round about a year ago. I decided to ditch my 6.5 grendel and focus on 5.56 and 308 for rifles.
Barnaul steel case ran great through my MP-10, had a couple issues but that was the old bolt carrier issue.
Same here I only have308 and 556 but I'm considering getting a rifle in762*39 because it is fairly common and our enemies carry that round for the most part. Pistol rounds for me are mostly 9mm and a little 10mm
Same here I only have308 and 556 but I'm considering getting a rifle in762*39 because it is fairly common and our enemies carry that round for the most part. Pistol rounds for me are mostly 9mm and a little 10mm
@@SuperHeatherrussell Actually, WE carry it a lot in battle zones. Much better stopping power and dependability. Also, many of our ALLIES carry it.
That was a very good move sir
I’m a huge fan of the .308, its availability during the recent shortage was just another reminder of its versatility. I have 4 .308s, 2 military style and 2 hunting style rifles (which matches my number of 5.56/.223 rifles).
Right they've been making 308 rifles for 70 years
Why would you post that in such detail? The ATF knows now….
It’s not too late to go on a boating trip with all your guns. You can borrow my old boat, it may just be a bit leaky 😅
@@UnknownUser-fe5zu They already knew. Do you really think they don't have a database?
@@alexwalker2582 not necessarily, in Texas for instance if you have a LTC you pick up your firearm and the paperwork is filed with your FFL. No phone calls are made and nothing is submitted to the FBI. If the ATF wants to know what guns you have bought they have to go flip through all those 4473 forms by hand and find your name. Also what if he bought those as a private sale?…..
Growing up hunting in PA, we pretty much used .308, 30-06, 30-30. All were great guns and calibers to use around the fields and woods. Ranges anywhere from under 100 yds upwards to 300 or maybe a little further. Definitely would recommend someone having a .308 and the 30-06 in the mix
I got the 16 inch ruger sfar for 900 6.8 lbs with a thick barrel. 500 rounds down the tube no probs. Love the rifle first 308 and it feels just like my ar 15. Even the recoil is more simmiler to 556 then another 308 rifle. Very light shooter
You've already shot 500 through it? You sure your not exaggerating a bit?
@JackOfAllTrades Prepping yes but not all me. Me my friend and his dad and his dad is a vet with a whole bunch of surplus and reloads and she chugged them all
@JackOfAllTrades Prepping like im actually kinda impressed, and it was over 3 weekends. I recommend great hearing pro and or a can. Tho not the shortest berrel its definitely not a complet burn its loud af
@@toadallyawesome5632 that's pretty cool 😎
@JackOfAllTrades Prepping lol y thank you I was waiting for a better, more affordable pof revolution, and I'm just surprised it was a ruger to put tht much time and engineering into an ar10 hope it becomes the standard. It is soooo small and handy. Another great part about it is it takes ar 15 parts. Charging handles, handgaruds, stocks, pistol grips, triggers packs, buffer tubes same size. Like it truly is an ar15 just throwing out 308 pills. MAC here on youtube has a 2 vids about it. Highly recommend if u can get ahold of one
308 is a bread and butter round. Been a minute since I’ve watched an IV8888 vid. Eric is looking trim and Chad is looking more masculine.
The last 5 years or so I’ve had an obsession with large frame gas guns and put together a gucci parts 20” .308 Win. Furthest I’ve gone is ~750 yards and it definitely moves the plate. Also 308 recoils and will exploit mistakes, I’ve learned a lot about fundamentals of marksmanship, wind calling, and recoil management shooting 308 gas gun. If you can print a 5-shot group below 1 minute on a gas gun, you’re doing something right.
.308 is the get it done caliber. Huge selection of ammo and it’s available and inexpensive.
There is already so much of it that Even if they stopped making .308/7.62x51 today, I would still be able to find ammo in my golden years without having too much trouble
It’s comments like this that badly jinx this perceived forever-supply of ammo.
@@kevinhart46 As a Canadian, can I ask what big animals you think a .308 cannot take? I hunt moose, elk and black bear with my .308 and 180 grain bullet. Our Canadian Rangers are supplied with .308 Win with Nosler Accubond 180 grain and they hunt polar bears. It's moose season right now and I'm leaving tomorrow to drive up north with my tag.
Home defense? Who in the world is using a 30 caliber for self defense?
I bought a dirt cheap Savage Axis II a few years back and put a Boyd’s AT-One stock on it. My favorite rifle.
Great video, and a good point. A long time ago, when I bought my only true deer hunting rifle, I bought a Remington 700 in 30-06. I was also considering 308, and it was close. Back then, 308 was more of the new kid and 06 was more established. If I were to buy another one now, it might be in 308.
Seek surplus 3006 black-tip as long as you can find it
The 308 in the same type of rifle might be a pound lighter do to the shorter action
Since 2006 any pistol or rifle I have bought has been only in nato calibers. 9mm, 45, 556, 762X51 and of course 22LR. My first bolt gun was a Remington 700 ADL in .308 with a 2X8 Leupold variable and a Bianchi sling. No frills, no modern updated stuff. Just a solid bolt gun useful for just about anything using projectiles ranging from 125g to 180g depending on my target selection. Excellent video fellas!
I love the Hornady Precision Hunter in .308 with the 178 ELDX. I have killed a bunch of hogs with this load, it has also taken several deer out to 300 yd with it. A .308 is a must for any gun person and or a hunter. One of my favorites is my Tavor 7, compact with a 18” barrel.
Tavor 7 is my go too
F Steve H
Got a Ruger American Hunter last year. A bit heavy but study and fun to shoot.
You know, when Col. Jeff Cooper was working on his "Scout rifle" concept, that Rem. 600 in .308 was one of the rifles he used! Check it out...
Colonel Cooper's idea was for a compact bolt-action rifle or carbine being used to take game of up to 400 kilograms (~ 880 lbs.) out to at least 400 yards. He chambered it in .308 Winchester. It gets the job done!
Glad to hear you guys are back-tracking on the .308 Win. There will always be a place for it in civilian hands. At distances 350 yards and in, I'd rather have the .308 when hunting. As to Col. Cooper's "Patrol Rifle" concept, take a look at Mossberg's 7.62 MVP rifles. I have one with a rear mounted 1-10 LVPO mounted. I have it handy whenever I go out gathering wood in the Spring, in case a bear takes an interest in what I'm doing.
Back tracking? This should be thought of as entertainment (that can be used for things [that arent very] entertaining).
I've had a hvy barrel 700 in .308 since 1990, my go to rifle, and if the world comes to an end, there will always be .308 to be found !
I can only imagine 👍 the Rem 700 is a beast. I need one in .308 myself.
Consider getting a AR10 in .308. PSA can get you one for under 1k.
@@niceguy7times I think it's better to buy them complete. I built 4 this year and had a lot of issues with Aero and Ballistic Advantage.
@@niceguy7timesthey have a nice blem on for like $800 now
And after the world ends your heavy barrel 700 308 will still be dead on.
Good thing I just built one! 16 inch 308, spent roughly $1500. It’s slick! Just wish ammo prices would come down
.60-.70 cents a round isn't bad for M80 ball.
Although. 308 went up like everything else, it does seem to have been less drastic.
Years ago I was doing some hunting in Mississippi and stopped a little store to pick up supplies.
I took several rifles with me but this little store in the middle of nowhere had probably 3 boxes of 32 Winchester Special. I inherited that particular rifle from my grandfather and I bought them all.
They said there was an older fella there that shot that particular rifle but he had died and they'd been on the shelf since.
I had no idea until I bought an M1A. What an awesome round with a good punch 👊
Ruger American compact 18" barrel 2-7 Leupold, with good ammo. She runs sweet!
i am a big proponent of having multiple hunting rifles in various calibers. these last few years have really driven home the importance of having a variety of firearms. at times, i have had difficulty finding every cartridge. by having so many different calibers, i have always been able to hunt. the 308 is a long-time favorite of mine and has taken many different species all over the lower 48. now that i moved to alaska i still believe my 308s will be a staple in my hunting line-up.
308 was and is my first choice rifle for many of the points you touched on..great content.. i've been hooked on watching your videos..thank you
I had that conversation with myself this year at camp too... bought myself an M1A Springfield for Christmas 👌🤙🇺🇲
I recently put together a 5.7 lb .308 AR DPMS rifle, magnesium receiver, titanium bcg, carbon fiber furniture, carbon fiber wrapped barrel. With the scope and suppressor it weighs just 7 lbs. it’s my Gucci rifle. I still have several backup rifles for just in case. When I go hunting I toss my 7.62x39 AR with a box of ammo in the trunk. I learned the hard way when a scope broke/ lost zero from dropping a rifle years ago.
I had a custom built remington 700 .308
Built it for long distance shooting. I went out to 800 plus yards. Even at those distances it was putting huge dents in quarter inch steel plate.... I wouldn't wanna get hit by it at any distance... that's a bad day for anyone... and I believe it's still one of the go to rounds for most swat teams or at least it use to be...
Have one already, a Mossberg Patriot .308 win, I use it for deer, elk and any uninvited guests within 300 yards. I would love a Springfield M1A.
Holy weight. Try out the GII DPMS. They’re about half the price and half the weight damn near. Hard to beat for sub 800 usually
@@bigredone1030 ill check it out my man. Thanks 👌
I've standardized all my firearms. 9mm luger, 223/556, 308 win, 12 ga, and 300 win mag. I've thought of this ahead of time and I'm glad it's being mentioned now. I do have a 10mm auto, and I want a 45-70 eventually, but ive basically standardized my weapons caliber wise.
I bought .308 rifles for my boys for their first deer rifles. Remington Cor-Lokts have had a lot of 1-shot kills for Missouri Bucks. Started using .308 when I was gifted my grandpa’s pre ‘64 Model 70 Featherweight, it’s my primary hunting rifle.
Funnily enough, I was considering adding a bolt-action rifle to my collection (eventually) and was thinking the .308 Winchester would be the ideal round to get it in. I'm glad to see that my reasons for wanting such are considered good ones by other gun collectin' folks.
Ruger American predator 308 I'd recommend.
For bolt action I'd go with 7mm Magnum or 300 Win Magnum. Get the 308 in AR platform.
@@raulthepig5821 Imteresting. Might I ask your reasoning?
@@Maddog3060 Bolt actions are the strongest actions and can handle high power rounds like the 7mm mag and 300 Win mag. Both capable of reaching out and knocking down an elk or moose. If you are going with a bolt action why not use the high calibers they were made for.
.308 in bolt or lever are great deer hunting guns. But for follow up shots a semi-auto is best. Don't waste your money on anything other than an AR platform when going semi-auto. The AR is proven to be accurate and reliable. Just my opinion, I'm sure others will disagree.
@@raulthepig5821 Fair enough, and similar to some second thoughts I was having. I will consider it, thank you.
I like the Springfield m1A, it’s big and heavy but really takes the recoil out of 308 compared to a bolt action
It is cool because of the classic "regular rifle" look, but from a technical standpoint, kind of a pain in the ass.
The recoil is even better when it malfunctions.
Love my m1a, and Remington 700. Simple and functional
@@michaelpratt3142 only if you don't know how to shoulder it or run crap out Elbonia surplus ammo.
No kidding on that. I have an M1A and my wife has a Ruger bolt action and I can hold the M1A on target much easier than I can her bolt action thanks to the heavier weight even with the polymer stock on it. The one thing I do need to do is shim up the barrel band a bit tighter, it's pretty sloppy.
Awesome video and the 308 is an oldie but a goodie and still quite the impressive round. Great idea to compare some of the newest vs older calibers, looking forward to those videos.
Love all your videos you guys do, all the time and money you put into these videos is much appreciated, when I got started in long range shooting from 100 yards to 1k , a friend told me to start with a 308 instead of a 6.5 creedmoor because it would teach me more how to read windage elevations vs the 6.5 creedmoor because of ballistic coefficients, once I became decent with the 308 I acquired a 6.5 creedmoor along with my 308, for some reason I still enjoy my 308 a little more than my 6.5 creedmoor, which I have both in bolt and the semi auto platform, Barry would be proud of you both and God bless
There are so much calibers that are better for certain job, but .308 Win is the Swiss knive. Also for reloading it's a very thankful cartridge. There is a brochure for new hunters by RWS in Germany, telling everything about guns, calibers, projectiles and hunting. The .308 Win is that medicore, that ist described exactly where the booklet is exactly halved by it's pages. I love it. :-) It is the VW Golf of calibers.
I want to read that brochure.
It’s hard enough to read the post
@@abelwalker4396 He is saying that since the .308 is such a common, middle ground cartridge that literally the middle page in the gun brochure in Germany is the page about the .308.
Actually the 7.5 Swiss is the Swiss knife of cartridges.
I havent found primers anywhere and it pisses me off. They want to force people to buy ammo instead of making their own.
Love my KAC SR25 been shooting one since 1994 and just purchased A new one in 2019. 7.62x51 is A great round and you guy's are correct about that and about having back up guns on hunting trips.
You said no one nowadays no one would build a fancy custom .30/06 precision gun, but I did last year and love it. If you handload the round it is much more capable than the .308 Win (which is a round that I still like very much and have many guns chambered in.) People tend to forget when the .308 was designed to replicate the .30/06 round in a shorter case, the old .30/06 rounds were limited by the (mostly) military rifles they were built for. That's why if you fire modern .30/06 rounds in older rifles like a Garand it often will go BOOM! With modern guns and propellants and bullets, the .30/06 outpaces the .308 Win and is right on the heels of many .300 Win Mag offerings.
Still have my Rem 788 that I got in '74. Remington core-lokt in either 165 or 180 grain always works. Never had to do much tracking. Always accurate, always reliable.
My deer rifle is a Remington 700 .308 made in 1975. I have access to several .30-30s made by Winchester and Marlin, a .270 Remington 700, and a .30-06 Remington 700. They are all great but I still choose the .308.
Good overview about the 308 guys. Take care and be safe sir. See you on your next video.
I loved this, and those get ya fired up bullet points, love it. can't wait to see your oldies comparison videos. Thank you
Hey brother! Great content! Just picked up a 308 Galil Ace gen 1 20" barrel. First dive into a large caliber. Good video.
Surprised the Zastava M77 wasn’t part of this conversation. Recently got one to fill the “need a .308 battle rifle” hole in my heart and it really is a pragmatist’s weapon. In its stock format and an optic mounted on the rock-solid side rail, i can see it being a fantastic do-it-all type of weapon and definitely rings the AR-10 bell a little bit for me (in terms of function to fill). Of course, that stock format comes with a 20-inch barrel and there’s quite a bit of chunk to the receiver so handy it is not, but it isn’t a heck of a lot harder to control than an AKM. I am a big advocate for just training with it, having a good sling, and eating your Wheaties haha.
Also - often not-talked-about point of, once you get out of the realm of 5.56/.223 & 7.62x39, the prospective applications of a caliber widen in scope. As such, there’s a lot of variation in what .308 ammunition is available to a consumer, and the M77 being easily gas-adjustable is a big deal when you talk about being able to shoot something “forever.”
All those people who complain 308 has too much recoil should try high velocity lightweight 308 rounds with 100-115 grains. Can get velocities 3200-3500 fps and it exploded whatever it touches. Makes 556 look like the pee shooter it is. With the lighter ammo it is still heavier than a 556 loadout but not so bad and so much more power. A laser beam out to 400 meters
Been packing around my beast around the wilderness of Idaho last 2 deer, bear, elk seasons: AeroPrecision M5 AR10 in .308. Did a custom Duracoat job in Rhodesian cammo pattern😍
Great informational video in depth and with different aspects to usage just the kind of video needed to help us guy decide on a next rifle pick
There is so much to love about the 308, where to start? A wealth of projectiles and powders that will work with it, runs 110gr to 210gr and probably heavier with a twist rate tighter than 1:10, oodles of rifle models that shoot it well out of the box. both bolt and semi, 7.62NATO M80 ball compatibility, and it can take down any game in North America. Thousands of reloading recipes and lots of ballistics research done on this one owing to its ubiquity. Tons of optics that will match well with it, including BDC reticles. Carlos Hathcock proved the worth of this caliber in long range scenarios over and over again. Need we say more?
Savage 99 and Savage MSR10. Old school and modern. Can’t go wrong.
I set up an m1A scout squad into a scout scope. It was sitting in a vltor tactical chassis. Loved that thing.
A bolt action Weatherby in 308 was my first and has been my hunting rifle for many many years. Versatile and reliable in hunting everything from deer, pronghorn and my favorite...hog hunting. Have dropped 300lb+ hogs in TX with my 308.
Last year, the first .308 categorized gun I got was the French FR-F2 (Thanks to Ian-senpai), but I've been advised that I should only use 7.62 NATO specific ammo in it, cause apparently.308 Winchester is hotter than 7.62 NATO, so I had to give away 3 boxes/60 rounds of .308 to my friend for his Aero AR-10
I have a .308 Remington 600 Mohawk, with a vent rib. I have had it more years than I can remember. For all the reasons you mentioned the Mohawk is a great little rifle.
I dispersed a lot of my firearm collection to various family members, including my 1946 Mod 94 Winchester in 30-30. I kept the 600, as well as my .357 Rossi model 92 lever. I still have some of the other "desirable firearms". But at almost 70 I haven't hunted in a few years, but I'm setup ok. I just found out I can do the Handicap Hunter thing with a partner.
"Never give up, NEVER SURRENDER!"
I agree with you, boys. I just got a SIG Cross and chose .308 instead of 6.5 Creedmore just because the ammunition was so much more available and cheaper. Within my ranges there is no ballistic difference. The Cross is so doggone handy, it's what is in my truck daily.
Keep up the good work.
My pop just got the cross in .308 … he said stock it performs better then a majority of his other guns he dumped thousands into!
I agree completely. My nephew has a pretty cool old rifle he hunts with chambered in .257 Roberts. And I have found ammo on the shelf for it precisely one time in my life. And I look every time i'm at a gun store. Thankfully 6.5 Creedmoor is becoming more available but I almost always find .308, .30-06, .223/5.56, and the normal assortment of handgun rounds.
one of the best finds out there: go to diamndback firearms and get one of their preassembled db10 uppers in 308 or even better, a 20" 6.5creed; (for $450 to $500, including bolt); grab one of their stripped lower for $100 (to your FFL), it uses a standard buffer tube for an ar15, grab their buffer and spring on the site also, and a LPK, or even better, go buy a gesieele trigger, and order your favorite stock and grip-- and you can throw it all together for under $800. They offer them as complete rifles for $1800 to $2200; but if you just build them yourself, they are WAY cheaper; less than half price. They use the KAC SR25 receiver spec; (so it has an angle cut like an Armalite, and Not the curved receiver of the dpms LR308's). Eric and Chad, if you're reading this, you guys should definitely build one, or at least call them; I'm sure they would love to send you one for free. They are stupid accurate and they make their own barrels.
Over here you will find 6,5×55 and 30-06 in all stores. But most times 308 too. My favorite number two is 308, but my first choise over that is my Ruger No:1 in 375H&H.
Those Norskis really love their 6.5.
Only Fuddly Duddlies even know what it is in the USA
I have a Ruger American 308 I love that rifle I'll never give it up one of my best calibers I have
I have a caucasian uncle (I'm Vietnamese) who fought in the Vietnam War, married my aunt in the 70s, and later on brought our family to the US in 1994. Aside from his little backstory... I remember chilling at his house in Ohio in 1998ish and enjoying some jerky. He told me that the jerky was made from a deer that he shot 435 yards away from his backyard. As an 8 year old, it didn't register much in my little head. Now that I'm older, I realized how great of a shooter he was for nailing a deer 435 yards away with a 308 Model 70 and that damn thing didn't even have a scope. I remember the rifle that he showed like it was yesterday. He's also the reason why I shoot 308.
I love my old school semi-auto Remington 742 in 30-06. It shoots accurate & dependable for hogs & deer. Manufacturing was from 1960-1980. Solid and dependable.
Agreed. Built a full sized M1A with a synthetic stock and scout hand guard with a red dot and co witness irons. It’s a 308 thumper
sounds like one beautiful rifle
I just got a 308 in November and I can say it's pretty great! Definitely would recommend
I got a rem 700 in .308 for Christmas about 15 years ago. I couldn't decide what chambering I wanted, so I just asked for the .308.
It's a great gun. A few years ago I let my brother in law borrow it. I wasn't there, and he apparently just let everyone at camp shoot it as much as they wanted.
Most of those guys were the 7rem mag type. The next year that we went out there, three of the guys had bought.308s and said that it was because they loved mine.
I always thought that was cool. This was pre 6.5 creedmore hysteria, but still.
I went from my old Marlin lever in .35 Rem to my H&R Handi-Rifle in .308 Win a few years back. It's hard hittin', but it's never let me down. When I went to work at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant I found out they had a "pro plan" with Springfield Armory. I couldn't wait to get my dream gun: an M1A SOCOM 16. I topped it with a Vortex Crossfire II Scout scope, so I now have a great "backup" .308. Great video discussion guys!!
Have a few! Kinda like my Winchester model 100! I also like .243W
You guys should look at the Ruger SFAR ar10 308. Very light for a ar10. I picked one up recently in the 16 in barrel. Very nice shooting gun.
is it black?
I built an AR-10 in .308 a couple of years ago and it’s become my primary deer rifle. It’s definitely heavier than my AR-15, especially with the 6x optic I’m running and with a 25 rnd mag, but I like having the buffer tube and gas impingement for recoil management, and I reduce weight by running 5 rnd mags when I hunt from an elevated platform. I like having the option of long range fire if I need it. If I’m hunting heavier cover, I go back to my trusty Marlin 336c 30/30.
Great video guys.
Eric you really crack me up man. Always with the zingers ✌️🤝
I prefer 30-06 for the full size rifle cartridge. More potential than I'll ever need but I feel better with it being there.
I have an ar10. I regularly shoot m80 ball and 168gr jhp. It's pretty accurate with both out to 300yds which is my ranges limit. My thinking is ammo commonality along with the power(bears can sometimes be a problem) makes it a good compliment to my other firearms.
My AR-10 will never cycle. I've tried everything. I wish I had a bolt action instead.
@wannabecarguy sorry to hear that. I think it's a nice platform. Have you tried trading or selling it? I have people tell me all the time they'd like to get one. Hell, I wouldn't mind having a backup lol
.308 has been my hunting go-to since 1972. Even taken deer with 7.62x51 mil-surp when the soft points ran out. Killed just as quick as the 150 sp's. I've never hunted elk with it but WITHIN range I have no doubt it would drop them.
This was a great video. Good discussion. I'd like to see you guys configure and test the new Ruger SFAR as a potential CQB to 200 yardish badass. I just picked one up and haven't done a thing to it yet, but have been thinking along those lines. Thanks.
You guys rock. Thanks for everything. Still proudly display your autographs (obtained in a Man-Can years ago) on one of my safes.
Hahaha those man cans were a fiasco
Have the auto load and tons of 7.62 nato. Getting a 308 bolt is next on my list. Grew up on 3006 and usually run that or a 270 in the woods but it I gota .
I’m telling you I love my 308. It may be that it was my first firearm I bought myself. I just love it. I know it inside and out and it just works. My brother always loved his 250-3000 savage but I think it’s for the same reason. That was his rifle that he knew inside and out and he could shoot the fly off a horses ass at 200 yards with it so why wouldn’t he like it. But I’ve shrunk my groups in half since I’ve been hand loading my cartridges. But great video guys.
My father always shot a 7 mm Remington Magnum I've owned a few Magnum caliber rifles myself but my first centerfire hunting rifle was a 308 Winchester. My grandfather was a hunter but more of a gun guy and hearing about firearms and hunting from him it became very apparent to me at relatively young age while hunting with my grandfather that calibers like 30-30, 357, and 44 mag were sufficient you don't really always need that much punch. Shot placement is everything. I've gone down the caliber wormhole and have even hunted large game with center fire handguns and to this day I can't tell you why sometimes you get a one shot drop and sometimes you don't. I've seen big Mule deer run for miles after taking a 338 win mag and I've seen one drop like a sack of potatoes from a 10mm. Well it also helps to never shoot spooked game when they don't see it coming everything usually goes better. None the less I can't part with 308 winchester I've owned several rifles in 308 Winchester and I've always returned back to the cartridge. I currently have no plans of changing or adopting another new cartridge 308 Winchester just sufficiently fulfills a practicality niche that no other caliber can. Not to mention if your on a budget and not looking to spend all your money on features like porting or muzzle brakes you can put together a fine rifle for under 1000$ in 308 Winchester and it will shoot well. It's funny I've handed my light weight 308 to 300 win mag shooters who never shoot guns that aren't ported and they always look shocked at the recoil.
I love everything about this video. That's exactly why I made sure my first rifle was chambered in .308 Availability (: Looking forward to your .277 SIG Fury video. That's a spicy cartridge. 👀😮
What a huge coincidence. Was just starting to look around for my first 308
Bruh. No one will ever tell you that your FAL is lame. Like ever. Something I've learned owning a battle rifle.
Fusil, Atomatique, Leger.
Sounds so elegant.
@@hansblitz7770 look for a Remington 760 or 7600 you and you will thank me later
Love to watch your videos, lots of good info. Try the new Ruger SFAR .308 16 inch barrel, Coopers Scout Rifle in an AR package. Thanks
The best rifle, cartridge and bullet are what works for you. I'm a southeastern Canadian and the .308 Win fits all my needs. We have very thick woods so all my shots have been under 200 yards. I've been using the exact same set up for 15 years; a Remington 700 CDL in .308 Win with Federal Fusion bonded soft point. 150 grain for white tail deer, coyotes and wolves, 180 grain for elk, moose and black bear. I can do even smaller grain too for varmint. I'm an average size man with a slightly smaller frame, 178lbs and 5'10'' so the lower recoil, smaller rifle and action are all perfect for me.
Great topic as always. A few years back bought a Savage Scout in .308 because I didn't have a single rifle in that cartridge. What I found was the huge variety in loads and bullet weight, and as you observed, really have to get out past 100 yards before any significant deviation in trajectory occurs. I shot it just enough to be familiar with the rifle, cleaned it and put it up. Still have a lot of cheap 7.62x54R to run through before I start tapping into the more pricy stuff. Again, thanks for a great video!
I have a Ruger Scout in .308. One of my favorites, and will definitely keep it's place in my gun safe for years to come.
I’ve shot 308 for 40 years, always shot 150 gr but a couple years ago I started shooting 168gr hybrid Hunter by federal, by far the deadliest round I’ve used to date.
Happy new year to yall and the family.
These past videos have been great. Also 30-06 should really become a thing with ARs. I want peak 30 cal performance.
Ur dreams not to far look at bear creek arsenals shit from shotshow it ain’t out yet but the hope may cause u to thank me later lol
There are a few out there.. My bolt guns are 30-06; but my DB10 is 308. You can build a one for under $800.. or $50 more, you can build one in 20" 6.5creed. Pretty incredible rifles; especially for the price. (I mean a db10, not the 30-06 semi auto's out there)
@@calholliand surplus black-tip 3006 is wonderful when needed
I like my Savage 99E. The lever action is very smooth and the Five round internal mag is more than enough for peace time activities. I also have a Kel-Tek RFB. The rifle is very heavy and the feed problems have mad the rifle a wall hanger. One needs to be very careful on your purchase as anything will be an investment that you need to rely on.
MP-10 with a good BCG will dump all day at the range.
Buy a PTR91, any flavor will do. Put a heavy buffer in it, break it in break with 500 rds or so and you have a fine, reliable, easy recoiling, semi-auto, .308. Finally, try out some various brands and bullets weights to see what ammo it prefers and you'll have a semi-auto G3, aka a "HK 91" that will also take German G.I. 20 round mags. The mags are very cheap and plentiful. These are verry good rifles.
@@karlheinzvonkroemann2217 agree. just sucks breaking them in but after that you have AK reliability in a HK style platform.
Inside of 500yds, 3-0-hate actually hits harder than 6.5 Creed. Both mathematically and just listen to steel as you shoot it. 6.5 is a 4oz ball peen hammer; firm, but light in tone. 308 is a 16oz drywall claw hammer; louder and fuller gong effect. It's not the only big cart I own, but I love 308!
Good reminder and valid points. As a Swede and 6,5 creedmoor hunter I feel I'm missing out. Checking the second hand market right now.