I ordered one for a local restaurant that just put in two Tesla Destination Chargers. I recommended the chargers in 2018 before I received my Model 3. Most local Tesla owners will never need them but the J1772 addition may draw some of the other Space Coast EV Drivers. Thanks for your review. I used your link.
I am actually happy this exists, even if I drive a Tesla, and it doesn't effect me. I still hope that Tesla commodities the super charging network. How ironic would it be if the Tesla supercharger network became the defacto charging network of America? Sure I know the other companies don't want to play nice with Tesla, but I feel like there is a way around that.
CCS will be the connection every other company uses as it is effectively Public Domain. I hope a CCS to Tesla adapter is coming, probably 50kw. Tesla could make a Tesla to CCS compatible with SuperCharger that would RFID like the cars. Musk has said it was possible, if they paid the O&A.
Erik Garcia seriously. Give up to others the huge advantage they have??? Nah, I'd rather not wait while a guy in a Leaf or Bolt charges...... it's busy enough with Teslas now.
Like the computer industry with the USB plug the world needs to settle on a standard plug. In the US Tesla should change to CCS2 as the AC/DC plug of choice as it will become the universal standard. Tesla is making vehicles to sell the rest of the world with CCS2 all ready. Then there will be know need to fumble around with all the adapters.
@pjd412 Yes. There is large difference between markets. Here in EU it is only Nissan Leaf that still use ChaDeMo. It is a great advantage that Tesla uses the standard CCS. There is a large network of them around. And you can have your old Tesla changed to CCS as well. Monopolies are eventually broken up. And does not support a general transition to electric transport.
@@Jakob_DK seems like Chademo is going with the advent of the aryia. Though they won't be able to phas rit out for some time as there is a lot of leafs on the road still. Including my 2 days old one
Hey! Question about charging. - If Use the this adapter on our Tesla Wall Connector that pushes out 40amps, will it blow up the leaf, or the leaf will work, just charge at max 27.5amp (6.6kw) ? :)
@@HansKeesom You would not be very happy finding cars on Superchargers in first row, only able to charge with a DC rate of 50 kW or less…. so do not worry about Tesla, Elon knows how to make money ;-)
@WatchDominion . com This was meant to be a gentle joke. In actuality, there likely should be way more Teslas than Leafs or Bolts with adapters parked at Tesla destination chargers . If you take another look at my comment, look for the word, "destination."
EU really works well here. Type2 (the AC plug) and CCS are defined as standard in EU. Both Teslas and other EV’s use them with Nissan as en exception enjoying the freedom to keep Chademo while still using Type2. Yes. Still only Teslas can charge at superchargers but Teslas can charge at other charges as well.
one of the few cases where in europe we are ahead where AC charging plugs have converged and DC ports are converging between Tesla and the rest. no need for such an adapter. probably too late for convergence between USA and Europe...?
The majority of non-Tesla chargers chargers are CCS in the us. The ramp up of Electrify America is putting a lot of CCS chargers everywhere. I could see Tesla eventually offering a model 3 with a CCS port like they did in Europe.
David Beppler compré me optimistic. I love Tesla and what they’ve done with the supercharger network. Today the only real viable long distance travel in the US is in a Tesla. Keep in mind that Tesla started rolling out their network Aaron’s a decade ago. Electrify America started about a year ago? They already have stations all over the us which has enabled long distance travel for non-Tesla vehicles. Sure the number of stalls is small, but at least they are geographically diverse, and they will add more over time. Also, the Electrify America stalls are 350kW, where most Tesla stalls cap out at 150kW. The EA network is more future proof, though no cars come anywhere near those charging speeds, yet.
In America there's really no other decent EV option so it's not really worth buying a non Tesla if you like to drive. Across the pond you can be fine with most EVs since there are far more charge points then gas stations.
@@davidbeppler3032 the governement is agnostic. the industry opted for Mennekes type 2 and CCS and Tesla has followed long time ago with Type 2 and recently (M3) with CCS
Very cool that there is a cheaper option out there now. The one from quick charge power was way overpriced. I’ve owned a Tesla Tap for years now and love having it available. My Rav 4 EV really benefits from it though because I can charge up to 40 amps. Using the full capability of the part at a Destination charger.
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We need to standardize on the most ubiquitous and best design. So the Tesla connection. CCS and CHaD need to go away. They should never have been created in the first place.
@@carholic-sz3qv, there were level 2 AC slow chargers like J1772, yes. But CCS, CHaD, and Superchargers are all "level 3" fast DC chargers. There wasn't a standard for this when Tesla was building the Model S and it was clearly needed to support long distance travel. Therefore, Tesla built their own standard. Tesla began deploying their Supercharger network while the other fast DC charger standards were still mostly being drafted, proposed, argued about, etc. Honestly, which came first isn't even what is important and it wasn't even mentioned in my first post. What is important is having a standard in order to reduce redundant infrastructure and ensure compatibility. Tesla has the most EVs on the road and Tesla has the largest network of fast DC chargers. Therefore, it makes since to adopt that as a standard.
@@CL-gq3no The simplicity and elegance of the Tesla solution cannot be overstated. The CCS and Chademo systems are awkward and buggy. Add multiple networks, lack of station redundancy and RFID's... and the OEM's seem poised to remain in early adopter territory. Despite Tesla being open to others adopting their standards, not a single manufacturer has taken them up on the offer (without asking Tesla to also change things or add overhead). Rivian had the chance and didn't take it. So we will have to juggle clunky adapters for the foreseeable future.
@@watereverywhere, Agreed. This seems to happen with all new technology. VHS, writable CD/DVD, Blu-Ray, wired phone chargers, wireless phone chargers, video codec standards, etc, etc, etc. So I guess it's something we'll have to live with for the foreseeable future. I have heard that there are major technical obstacles for a CCS/Tesla adapter, but I don't know the specifics. Not sure why that would be the case, but it seems likely considering nobody has created one yet.
Zach's correct. I sometimes shop in Freeport, Maine rather than another choice, specifically because I can charge up for free while I'm there. (cheep, cheep)
Your Leaf, like mine, has a CHAdeMO port for DC to DC charging. Where is an adaption with CHAdeMO male to Tesla’s female? With Elon claiming to open up super chargers to other EVs in 2021, this would be a necessary adaptor. This charger would be much faster than the what you are showing in this video.
I would be very worried about using this on any other EV as there’s the possibility the Tesla destination charger is wired up as a 277V charger. I don’t know if other EV’s support that voltage but Teslas do and if your building has 480V three phase electrical, you can wire your Tesla’s wall charger to one hot and the neutral, which is 277V. Not a problem for Teslas but could be bad if another EV’s on board charger can’t handle that voltage.
I have a Tesla model S and looking to buy a lucid motors vehicle but REFUSE to buy another charger. While I’m happy to hear this device is available, I’ll just wait until the adapter to connect to my Tesla charge gets smaller. That thing is a wee bit too clunky
I have one of these For to use at my destination charger. One thing to be aware of is, some EV’s will not charge at the higher rate a destination charger might supply. In my case the destination charger is on a 100 amp circuit and can supply up to 80 amps. Certain cars will detect the higher rate and not charge. You may need to dial your car down to an acceptable level.
You mean it won't charge at all or it won't charge at the full 80 amps. I wouldn't expect it to charge at the full 80 amps, but if it won't charge at all that is pathetic.
The car determines how much current to draw not the wall charger. If the wall charger setting is 80 amps then the car won't try to draw more than 80 amps. If the wall charger setting is 10 amps then the car won't try to draw more than 10 amps. I think a lot of the new Tesla's are in the 32-48 amp range for home/destination charging.
I have a couple early Gen2 wall chargers with a Leaf. It just fiddles around trying to communicate in Tesla digital mode then switches to analog legacy mode. Takes about 15-20 seconds to start charging.
The US/NA market needs to standardize on the Tesla connector (for level 3 charging) and get rid of CCS/CHaD. In most of the country CCS/CHaD are pretty sparse anyway and the largest CCS charge network (EvGO I think) is in the process of adding Tesla plugs to their stations. It's really not worth building out these competing standards at this point (it never was actually given how far along the Tesla standard is.
@@joshuasmith7369 Thank you for your reply. What I am trying to learn is how to gain access to the Tesla network . For example, I can go to any Ikea store and charge my car for free, use the washroom, without buying anything. I have a Nissan Leaf. I want access to Tesla chargers for long distance trips . Is this possible
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@@QCCHARGE I have a 2013( Leaf 10 out of 12 state of health )I would like to buy a level 2 240 volt (27 amp?) Charging cable to plug into 240v socket.... I see you have a lot of knowledge .... if you make one of these cables , I would like to buy one from you . can you please help me?
Nice 👍 but ..... I wish there was a chademo to Tesla adapter, would love to be able to give my leaf a quick (I know it would be limited to 50kw, but it’s a small battery and it would expand my available charge network etc) charge on a supercharger 😎
They shouldn't. Tesla's have a J1772 adapter to allow for destination charging at third party chargers so same situation. Honestly, considering how many more Tesla's there are out there a Tesla owner is far more likely to be blocked by another Tesla than a non-Tesla.
Erm........shouldn’t Nissan, GM, and others, be installing ‘destination chargers’? I can imagine a scenario where I book into an inn in the Lake District UK for example, (where there are no super chargers), expecting to be able to top the car up on the destination charger, only to have a Leaf, or iPace etc, sat on it all night.........care of Tesla. The Tesla charging network (supercharger, and, destination), are very much part of the decision making process when buying a Tesla. It’s part of the ‘package’. I’m a tad uneasy with this idea. It just encourages other manufacturers to sit back and absolve themselves of providing an infrastructure for their customers. In kind, I always use the Tesla network, so that other makes of ev have access to a charger, and don’t have to wait for me to ‘juice’ up. On the matter of charging in general (sorry, this is turning into a long one), there’s a dearth of good, reliable charging in the UK, in general. Non Tesla drivers are frustrated at the number of poorly maintained, and often faulty chargers. There should be a robust Ionity network, but at present, there are only 2 stations in England (8 chargers in total), to service the entire country. In other words, if the other manufacturers got their collective act together, (destination, and fast charging), there would be no need for expensive adapters.
Here in Europe where our Teslas use J1772 type 2 connectors already. Tesla destination chargers are already J1772 as are the cars Tesla sometimes software lock the destination chargers to only work on Tesla cars..obviously if they provide them for their customers they don’t want to allow all other EV’s encroaching on their unique selling pint. My model s will charge on any type 2 charger but my wife’s leaf will not charge on the type 2 Tesla destination charger in our local hotel. It knows the car is not Tesla.
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Tesla sh/could make a version with identification inside so that it would be recognised at a supercharger. That way Tesla can bill the person owning this adapter. With the right pricelevel it will not cause to many problems at superchargers but will create revenue for Tesla so they can build more superchargers.
Well, even if they made such a thing, the superchargers are DC and the J1772 is AC. So, it would have to be considerably more complex and connect to either Chademo or CCS at the other end.
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The issue is, $195 buys a lot of gas. It might be worth it for it a business, but an everyday person would be hard pressed to use it enough to make it worth while.
Not in Sweden now, you'd get maybe two months worth of gas for a short travel commuter. When I had a gasoline car I burned through about $100 a month, so in three months this adapter would be "payed off" :)
Like the computer industry with the USB plug the world needs to settle on a standard plug. In the US Tesla should change to CCS2 as the AC/DC plug of choice as it will become the universal standard. Tesla is making vehicles to sell the rest of the world with CCS2 all ready. Then there will be know need to fumble around with all the adapters.
Tesla is the whole EV industry! Oh and electric golf carts... Oh and all that crap built in between... But if you look at those you're better off with the golf cart if you're not getting a Tesla.
Even though this product is a competitor to our now 4 year old JDapter Stub™ (with many thousands sold), I can assure you that it costs more than $25 to build, even in China (where it is indeed made). Of course, JDapter Stub™ is built in beautiful San Diego county, California. As a US Marine Corps military veteran, I make great strides to build things here, in the USA. Even the copper pins, with nickel and silver plating, are built in the Illinois,, the cable in made in California, the handle made in California, the Tesla inlet made in Florida, plus many of smaller parts that are made in the USA. Final assembly is at our world headquarters in San Marcos, California USA. If you want Chinese made stuff, our competitors are happy to provide it. We will ALWAYS build high quality, USA built components. Thanks, Tony Williams Founder/ CEO / Product Architect QC Charge 1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive San Marcos, California 92078 USA
@@markplott4820 , I didn't know that either, thanks. I don't think a lot of people outside the TESLA community know about being able to use destination chargers, if they had the adapter. I probably wouldn't ever use one, I drive a Volt, and I would rather let folks that are pure EV use the destinations chargers, or really any other charging company out there.
@@markplott4820 Agree with the comment on BEV and Plug EV like my Volt. I would never want to get in the way of someone with an BEV needing to charge. I have options. I am though looking forward to the day when I can get rid of using gas for good. Right now, I am keeping the Model Y on my radar! Have a great day, take care!
the Jdapter guys were sued by Tesla and forced to stop production, will be itneresting to see if Lectron managed toa ctually license the Tesla plug and this is a legit sanctioned adapter
André Pereira The supercharged engine would stall from lack of O2. ;) Oh you mean a Tesla Supercharger. Nothing since the supercharger won’t turn on until it has identified the vehicle and determined it is safe to charge.
Received a Lectron unit and it’s dead! Does not work. Repeated emails asking for returning/credit information have been not answered. Do not recommend this product. 2011 Nissan Leaf.
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Genius idea for the company who created this. Not sure how I feel about other car brand drivers taking advantage of Tesla products, that were built for the use of Tesla customers. Tesla has gone to great lengths to make their cars easy to charge, thats one of their biggest advantages. Just doesn't seem quite right to me.
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One of the pros of ICE cars is the simplicity of an extremely common fuel port. In order to get to mass EV adoption we are going to need to have a standard charging solution. It kind of feels like were in the vhs/ beta max days and there is a new generation of tech like DVD and streaming that will aggregate all charging to one right around the corner.
DJ Cruiser, electricity is far more ubiquitous than “liquid fuel”. Every podunk town in North America has electricity... every one of them. Not even close to all of them have a liquid dispensing place. In addition, electric dispensing machines are relatively cheap compared to dispensing liquid fuel into a car (cost of pump and tank in the ground, plus EPA compliance). One of the most expensive is a hydrogen dispensing machine. We don’t need a single method to dispense ubiquitous electricity into vehicles, any more than we did for other vehicle fuels like gasoline in 85, 87, 91, 93, etc octane, diesel, natural gas, propane, methanol, hydrogen, etc. Going forward, we have two methods to dispense AC electricity in North America (the kind of electricity that you have at home or at work); Tesla and “J1772”. There are adaptors available for both ways; Tesla AC charge station to J1772 car (my commonly manufactures this, called JDapter Stub) as well as J1772 AC charge station to Tesla vehicles. I don’t see that changing for a long time, and maybe not in your lifetime, but future cars may not have AC charging capability at all, saving the weight and cost of the bulky equipment on the vehicle. It’s really not needed when Electric Vehicle charging is truly ubiquitous at every parking spot. The other method to quickly upload electricity into a vehicle is with DC electricity directly into the vehicle battery (all batteries are DC). There are three separate ways to do that today: 1) Tesla Supercharger - only Tesla cars can use this, much like only Apple products can use the Lightning plug. Supercharger uses a unique plug for North America and Japan, and adopts the regional standard plug in Europe and China. 2) CHAdeMO - the only worldwide standard with a common plug. Over 27,000 stations on 5 continents and over 100 countries. 3) SAE-J1772-DC-CCS-Combo1 - yep, that’s a mouthful, but that’s used in North America and South Korea only
Sticking bare wires in a DC charger on a TH-cam video is the ultimate in ignorance and negligence. A DC shock can STOP YOUR HEART instantly. Bad example for kids and people who don’t know any better 👎🏻👎🏻
What Leaf owners need is a Tesla-to-CHAdeMO adapter. I'd be willing to pay good money for that.
Also for those of us who have multiple EVs in addition to our Tesla. Nice. I've mounted two different chargers at my house. With this I just need one.
Exactly. With my Adapter I am also able to charge my Renault Fluence with my Tesla Powerwall.
Storeskeeper RVL Powerwall or wall connector??
Would you say it works well? I just got a Model Y and still need to charge my Leaf
What Leaf owners need is a Tesla-to-CHAdeMO adapter. I'd be willing to pay good money for that.
That would be like:
*Charging your Samsung phone with a Apple lightning cable* 😁
the comment that means nothing to Europeans because they only have one cord for phones over there
@@centralev2371 actually no. We have the micro USB ones, type 3, and um lightning cables for the fruit nerds... 😁
@@centralev2371 no we don’t
I ordered one for a local restaurant that just put in two Tesla Destination Chargers. I recommended the chargers in 2018 before I received my Model 3. Most local Tesla owners will never need them but the J1772 addition may draw some of the other Space Coast EV Drivers. Thanks for your review. I used your link.
I am actually happy this exists, even if I drive a Tesla, and it doesn't effect me. I still hope that Tesla commodities the super charging network.
How ironic would it be if the Tesla supercharger network became the defacto charging network of America? Sure I know the other companies don't want to play nice with Tesla, but I feel like there is a way around that.
The supercharger network has been open for other car makers from day 1...
CCS will be the connection every other company uses as it is effectively Public Domain. I hope a CCS to Tesla adapter is coming, probably 50kw. Tesla could make a Tesla to CCS compatible with SuperCharger that would RFID like the cars. Musk has said it was possible, if they paid the O&A.
Erik Garcia seriously. Give up to others the huge advantage they have??? Nah, I'd rather not wait while a guy in a Leaf or Bolt charges...... it's busy enough with Teslas now.
Like the computer industry with the USB plug the world needs to settle on a standard plug. In the US Tesla should change to CCS2 as the AC/DC plug of choice as it will become the universal standard. Tesla is making vehicles to sell the rest of the world with CCS2 all ready. Then there will be know need to fumble around with all the adapters.
Plug in your tesla cybertruck to the supercharger then plug in your Nissan leaf to the outlet on the cybertruck truck😉
For some reason I have a hunch tesla won't advertise cybertruck as a cable adapter haha
In the UK (and europe afiak), Tesla’s use a standard connector so it’s not a problem. :)
What about the supercharger network? I imagine non teslas still cant use them
@@jjnawrot3950 No, unfortunately they can't, but the superchargers have a standard pair of plugs for Type 2 (Model S and X) and CCS (Model 3's)
EU has a standard for plugs.
Type2 for AC and CCS for DC.
@pjd412
Yes. There is large difference between markets. Here in EU it is only Nissan Leaf that still use ChaDeMo. It is a great advantage that Tesla uses the standard CCS. There is a large network of them around. And you can have your old Tesla changed to CCS as well.
Monopolies are eventually broken up. And does not support a general transition to electric transport.
@@Jakob_DK seems like Chademo is going with the advent of the aryia. Though they won't be able to phas rit out for some time as there is a lot of leafs on the road still. Including my 2 days old one
LOL, you guys are such nerds with the phasers and I love it. :)
Yeah! "Be Careful! It's Not a Toy!" (Blast!!!)
Hey! Question about charging. - If Use the this adapter on our Tesla Wall Connector that pushes out 40amps, will it blow up the leaf, or the leaf will work, just charge at max 27.5amp (6.6kw) ? :)
lol, figures if I searched google for "charger leaf with tesla mobile adapter" I would run into you guys, thanks!!!
Nice! Usually attempts at humor in this type of review video fall flat but I laughed out loud at the phaser blast. Thanks for the info and laugh.
Great! Instead of being ICE'd, Tesla destination chargers will be Leafed and Bolted.
@WatchDominion . com That's why DrTed3 says "Destination chargers" not "Supercharger"
If it helps drive adoption of EVs, good!
@@jumpman83 Tesla could make lots of money from letting other brands use superchargers.
@@HansKeesom You would not be very happy finding cars on Superchargers in first row, only able to charge with a DC rate of 50 kW or less…. so do not worry about Tesla, Elon knows how to make money ;-)
@WatchDominion . com This was meant to be a gentle joke. In actuality, there likely should be way more Teslas than Leafs or Bolts with adapters parked at Tesla destination chargers . If you take another look at my comment, look for the word, "destination."
Much cheaper than the Chademo->Tesla adapter - which was $450
Otherwise knows as "a double-ender" - DO NOT GOOGLE THIS TERM!
Ha, ha, too funny!
I looked it up on urban dictionary, thanks for the advice!
I almost had a spit-take moment ;)
EU really works well here. Type2 (the AC plug) and CCS are defined as standard in EU.
Both Teslas and other EV’s use them with Nissan as en exception enjoying the freedom to keep Chademo while still using Type2.
Yes. Still only Teslas can charge at superchargers but Teslas can charge at other charges as well.
When I finally get home charging for my Model 3, I'll buy this adaptor so that guests can charge as well!
one of the few cases where in europe we are ahead where AC charging plugs have converged and DC ports are converging between Tesla and the rest. no need for such an adapter.
probably too late for convergence between USA and Europe...?
The majority of non-Tesla chargers chargers are CCS in the us. The ramp up of Electrify America is putting a lot of CCS chargers everywhere. I could see Tesla eventually offering a model 3 with a CCS port like they did in Europe.
David Beppler compré me optimistic. I love Tesla and what they’ve done with the supercharger network. Today the only real viable long distance travel in the US is in a Tesla. Keep in mind that Tesla started rolling out their network Aaron’s a decade ago. Electrify America started about a year ago? They already have stations all over the us which has enabled long distance travel for non-Tesla vehicles. Sure the number of stalls is small, but at least they are geographically diverse, and they will add more over time. Also, the Electrify America stalls are 350kW, where most Tesla stalls cap out at 150kW. The EA network is more future proof, though no cars come anywhere near those charging speeds, yet.
In America there's really no other decent EV option so it's not really worth buying a non Tesla if you like to drive. Across the pond you can be fine with most EVs since there are far more charge points then gas stations.
@@bumbolio most non Tesla chargers aren't too reliable from what I hear since there's too few stalls and many won't work for one reason or another.
@@davidbeppler3032 the governement is agnostic. the industry opted for Mennekes type 2 and CCS and Tesla has followed long time ago with Type 2 and recently (M3) with CCS
Pretty cool, but I would rather get a CCS to Chademo converter or adapter!
Will this work in the UK on Leaf’s and with Tesla chargers?
You guys should review the TESMAT! 😃 It's a cheaper alternative to the DreamCase for the Model 3 at only 1/3 the price
Very cool that there is a cheaper option out there now. The one from quick charge power was way overpriced. I’ve owned a Tesla Tap for years now and love having it available. My Rav 4 EV really benefits from it though because I can charge up to 40 amps. Using the full capability of the part at a Destination charger.
James Klafehn, the Tesla Tap has disappeared from Amazon since last summer, so we have no idea if they are still in business. The product reviewed here is built in China, while JDapter Stub™ is built in California, USA from the highest quality components. Quality always commands a premium price.
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Thanks and thanks for the laugh.
NA Tesla: we need a CCS adapter!
We need to standardize on the most ubiquitous and best design. So the Tesla connection. CCS and CHaD need to go away. They should never have been created in the first place.
@@carholic-sz3qv, Tesla deployed the first Superchargers in 2012. Volkswagen deployed the first CCS charger in 2013.
@@carholic-sz3qv, there were level 2 AC slow chargers like J1772, yes. But CCS, CHaD, and Superchargers are all "level 3" fast DC chargers. There wasn't a standard for this when Tesla was building the Model S and it was clearly needed to support long distance travel. Therefore, Tesla built their own standard. Tesla began deploying their Supercharger network while the other fast DC charger standards were still mostly being drafted, proposed, argued about, etc.
Honestly, which came first isn't even what is important and it wasn't even mentioned in my first post. What is important is having a standard in order to reduce redundant infrastructure and ensure compatibility. Tesla has the most EVs on the road and Tesla has the largest network of fast DC chargers. Therefore, it makes since to adopt that as a standard.
@@CL-gq3no The simplicity and elegance of the Tesla solution cannot be overstated. The CCS and Chademo systems are awkward and buggy. Add multiple networks, lack of station redundancy and RFID's... and the OEM's seem poised to remain in early adopter territory. Despite Tesla being open to others adopting their standards, not a single manufacturer has taken them up on the offer (without asking Tesla to also change things or add overhead). Rivian had the chance and didn't take it. So we will have to juggle clunky adapters for the foreseeable future.
@@watereverywhere, Agreed. This seems to happen with all new technology. VHS, writable CD/DVD, Blu-Ray, wired phone chargers, wireless phone chargers, video codec standards, etc, etc, etc. So I guess it's something we'll have to live with for the foreseeable future.
I have heard that there are major technical obstacles for a CCS/Tesla adapter, but I don't know the specifics. Not sure why that would be the case, but it seems likely considering nobody has created one yet.
Zach's correct. I sometimes shop in Freeport, Maine rather than another choice, specifically because I can charge up for free while I'm there. (cheep, cheep)
Your Leaf, like mine, has a CHAdeMO port for DC to DC charging. Where is an adaption with CHAdeMO male to Tesla’s female? With Elon claiming to open up super chargers to other EVs in 2021, this would be a necessary adaptor. This charger would be much faster than the what you are showing in this video.
Great information video and it was a lot of fun too.
Thank you.
Cheers, John L. Fairlawn Virginia USA
That was fun at the end. Good thing that you ducked, that was a close one.
Will you this work with Tesla wall charger model 3
I would be very worried about using this on any other EV as there’s the possibility the Tesla destination charger is wired up as a 277V charger. I don’t know if other EV’s support that voltage but Teslas do and if your building has 480V three phase electrical, you can wire your Tesla’s wall charger to one hot and the neutral, which is 277V. Not a problem for Teslas but could be bad if another EV’s on board charger can’t handle that voltage.
Hey anything new out there on the lamp post charges?🤔
Will it work on the Jeep Wrangler 4XE ?
I vaguely remember you doing this in another video already.
whiteb68 I think this is a reupload
Must be a reupload. Jesse drives a model 3 mid range.
@@expressfashionman89 This is a new upload of the chinese clone of a original US Made TeslaTap from umc-j1772.com
I have a Tesla model S and looking to buy a lucid motors vehicle but REFUSE to buy another charger. While I’m happy to hear this device is available, I’ll just wait until the adapter to connect to my Tesla charge gets smaller. That thing is a wee bit too clunky
Do these work with a super charger?
What is the difference between destination chargers and super chargers? I can charge my BMW i3 on destination chargers with that adapter?
Another question is, how do you select the amp rate for non-teslas on a destination charger?
you are the best ev tubers...
cool product! great video guys!
I have one of these For to use at my destination charger. One thing to be aware of is, some EV’s will not charge at the higher rate a destination charger might supply. In my case the destination charger is on a 100 amp circuit and can supply up to 80 amps. Certain cars will detect the higher rate and not charge. You may need to dial your car down to an acceptable level.
You mean it won't charge at all or it won't charge at the full 80 amps. I wouldn't expect it to charge at the full 80 amps, but if it won't charge at all that is pathetic.
The car determines how much current to draw not the wall charger. If the wall charger setting is 80 amps then the car won't try to draw more than 80 amps. If the wall charger setting is 10 amps then the car won't try to draw more than 10 amps. I think a lot of the new Tesla's are in the 32-48 amp range for home/destination charging.
Are there any adapter for the Tesla Supercharger?
I own a Fiat 500e that should work, right? Also what's a good app to find destination chargers? (Don't have a tesla, yet)
Plug share
Can it be used on a 14-50 Tesla mobile connector on a 50a circuit?
Why can't it be small and cheap like the Tesla provided adaptor?
I'm pretty sure that adapter is still going on Tesla's site for $99. Rating things for high-voltage is expensive.
I got one so my relatives with Hyundais and volts can charge when they come over. The lectron is snazzy because it has latches on both ends.
How much does a Nissan Leaf pay per kilowatt-hour?
Doesn’t the Tesla HPWC have to be in ‘legacy’ signalling mode for that adaptor to work though???
I have a couple early Gen2 wall chargers with a Leaf. It just fiddles around trying to communicate in Tesla digital mode then switches to analog legacy mode. Takes about 15-20 seconds to start charging.
LOVE the ending..... Classic Its not a toy.... hehehe.. LUKE... LUKE...
If it did work at a supercharger how would you pay for it? I imagine someone would try no matter what the directions say.
"Everything is a toy if you play with it" ~ Andy Dwyer
the US/north america market needs a CCS to Tesla male adapter for fast charging
The US/NA market needs to standardize on the Tesla connector (for level 3 charging) and get rid of CCS/CHaD. In most of the country CCS/CHaD are pretty sparse anyway and the largest CCS charge network (EvGO I think) is in the process of adding Tesla plugs to their stations. It's really not worth building out these competing standards at this point (it never was actually given how far along the Tesla standard is.
Do I need to subscribe with Tesla to use the Tesla destination chargers?
@@joshuasmith7369 Thank you for your reply. What I am trying to learn is how to gain access to the Tesla network . For example, I can go to any Ikea store and charge my car for free, use the washroom, without buying anything. I have a Nissan Leaf. I want access to Tesla chargers for long distance trips . Is this possible
Learn something new today
everybody needs a guy who lives in a shed and has stuff
We have a charger for a leaf at home. Does anyone know if this can somehow be used for a tesla with some kind of adapter?
So what do you think of this vs the JDstub adapter?
John Squire, we think that JDapter Stub is the BEST !!!
JDapter Stub™ is now in its 4th year of production.
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
@@QCCHARGE I have a 2013( Leaf 10 out of 12 state of health )I would like to buy a level 2 240 volt (27 amp?) Charging cable to plug into 240v socket.... I see you have a lot of knowledge .... if you make one of these cables , I would like to buy one from you . can you please help me?
Nice 👍 but ..... I wish there was a chademo to Tesla adapter, would love to be able to give my leaf a quick (I know it would be limited to 50kw, but it’s a small battery and it would expand my available charge network etc) charge on a supercharger 😎
Nice it is about time 👍🏻👍🏻
You know it to get ccs on a leaf, why don't you get an adapter that does ccs to Tesla and then the j1772!
Do Tesla owners get miffed if non-Tesla's are using destination chargers?
They shouldn't. Tesla's have a J1772 adapter to allow for destination charging at third party chargers so same situation. Honestly, considering how many more Tesla's there are out there a Tesla owner is far more likely to be blocked by another Tesla than a non-Tesla.
Chris L Exactly. I frequently see Tesla’s using J1772 charging stations so it would be hypocritical to be upset at the reverse.
very funny Vid, thanks!
Is this adapter UL certified?
It's made in China. Most Chinese products are "labeled" UL Approved, but they aren't. Nobody enforces it.
Erm........shouldn’t Nissan, GM, and others, be installing ‘destination chargers’?
I can imagine a scenario where I book into an inn in the Lake District UK for example, (where there are no super chargers), expecting to be able to top the car up on the destination charger, only to have a Leaf, or iPace etc, sat on it all night.........care of Tesla.
The Tesla charging network (supercharger, and, destination), are very much part of the decision making process when buying a Tesla. It’s part of the ‘package’.
I’m a tad uneasy with this idea. It just encourages other manufacturers to sit back and absolve themselves of providing an infrastructure for their customers.
In kind, I always use the Tesla network, so that other makes of ev have access to a charger, and don’t have to wait for me to ‘juice’ up.
On the matter of charging in general (sorry, this is turning into a long one), there’s a dearth of good, reliable charging in the UK, in general. Non Tesla drivers are frustrated at the number of poorly maintained, and often faulty chargers. There should be a robust Ionity network, but at present, there are only 2 stations in England (8 chargers in total), to service the entire country.
In other words, if the other manufacturers got their collective act together, (destination, and fast charging), there would be no need for expensive adapters.
those this work for the i3?
Phaser... oh dear my cringometer maxed out.
That's great but I'm looking for a landline adapter for my tesla.
Here in Europe where our Teslas use J1772 type 2 connectors already. Tesla destination chargers are already J1772 as are the cars Tesla sometimes software lock the destination chargers to only work on Tesla cars..obviously if they provide them for their customers they don’t want to allow all other EV’s encroaching on their unique selling pint. My model s will charge on any type 2 charger but my wife’s leaf will not charge on the type 2 Tesla destination charger in our local hotel. It knows the car is not Tesla.
For 200 dollars?
I'd like to see an option for a lock on the j1772 end so it's not stolen.
(The volt cannot lock the charge port.)
JDapter Stub™ comes with a lock on the J1772 end.
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
Chinese clone of a original US Made TeslaTap from umc-j1772.com that has a place for a padlock.
Tesla sh/could make a version with identification inside so that it would be recognised at a supercharger. That way Tesla can bill the person owning this adapter.
With the right pricelevel it will not cause to many problems at superchargers but will create revenue for Tesla so they can build more superchargers.
Well, even if they made such a thing, the superchargers are DC and the J1772 is AC. So, it would have to be considerably more complex and connect to either Chademo or CCS at the other end.
Tesla owners do not want others at their SCs. It's GMs and Nissans problem now.
@@The8BitGuy Valid point, that would make it difficult/more complex then just a adapter.
@@haywoodjablome234 Not even if it will create money for more SC's?
Leaf owner here. Only worth it if I can fast charge.
You can fast charge! Just go to a CHAdeMO fast charge station !!!
Thanks,
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
The issue is, $195 buys a lot of gas. It might be worth it for it a business, but an everyday person would be hard pressed to use it enough to make it worth while.
17R3W That’s only a couple tanks of gas.
Not in Sweden now, you'd get maybe two months worth of gas for a short travel commuter. When I had a gasoline car I burned through about $100 a month, so in three months this adapter would be "payed off" :)
Don't you have a model 3?
They do. It's the red car in the background at the start of the video.
You still own that car? THought you only drive a Mid range M3?
About time.
Like the computer industry with the USB plug the world needs to settle on a standard plug. In the US Tesla should change to CCS2 as the AC/DC plug of choice as it will become the universal standard. Tesla is making vehicles to sell the rest of the world with CCS2 all ready. Then there will be know need to fumble around with all the adapters.
Where is CCS adapter?
Mark Wick It will work with CCS vehicles as well, since the top half of a the CCS connector is a J1772 connector.
Nice
Goood news for the whle ev industry
Tesla is the whole EV industry! Oh and electric golf carts... Oh and all that crap built in between... But if you look at those you're better off with the golf cart if you're not getting a Tesla.
@@googadisbeotches9360 if my 36 TSLA shares stay on there upward journey, I will be able to get a model 3 soon.
so cool
Guys it's time to upgrade your camera equipment
Wow this is a $25 Chinese made adapter for $200 Capitalism really sucks When is the price going to be affordable? I would buy one today for $99
...except it would have never been made in the first place w/o capitalism, so...
Even though this product is a competitor to our now 4 year old JDapter Stub™ (with many thousands sold), I can assure you that it costs more than $25 to build, even in China (where it is indeed made).
Of course, JDapter Stub™ is built in beautiful San Diego county, California. As a US Marine Corps military veteran, I make great strides to build things here, in the USA. Even the copper pins, with nickel and silver plating, are built in the Illinois,, the cable in made in California, the handle made in California, the Tesla inlet made in Florida, plus many of smaller parts that are made in the USA. Final assembly is at our world headquarters in San Marcos, California USA.
If you want Chinese made stuff, our competitors are happy to provide it. We will ALWAYS build high quality, USA built components.
Thanks,
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
have a smaller version of those adapters but never had a chance to use it ! Just to many EV chargers everywhere, no need to use Tesla !
I think J Seventeen Seventy Two rolls easier than saying J One Seven Seven Two
US Tesla to Type1 in human language
Type 2
Didn't know other makes could use a Tesla charger....I suppose you can use a free destination charger.
@@markplott4820 , I didn't know that either, thanks. I don't think a lot of people outside the TESLA community know about being able to use destination chargers, if they had the adapter. I probably wouldn't ever use one, I drive a Volt, and I would rather let folks that are pure EV use the destinations chargers, or really any other charging company out there.
@@markplott4820 Agree with the comment on BEV and Plug EV like my Volt. I would never want to get in the way of someone with an BEV needing to charge. I have options. I am though looking forward to the day when I can get rid of using gas for good. Right now, I am keeping the Model Y on my radar! Have a great day, take care!
@@markplott4820 you can't use a Supercharger because that J-whatever plug is AC-only.
the Jdapter guys were sued by Tesla and forced to stop production, will be itneresting to see if Lectron managed toa ctually license the Tesla plug and this is a legit sanctioned adapter
They're still selling the Jdapter on their website. Don't need Tesla's permission to do shit.
What happens if you plug that in a Supercharger? :D Boom!?
André Pereira The supercharged engine would stall from lack of O2. ;)
Oh you mean a Tesla Supercharger. Nothing since the supercharger won’t turn on until it has identified the vehicle and determined it is safe to charge.
Vary cool.
It's less awkward to say "jay seventeen seventy-two"
It's not clear why an adapter must be so bulky and expensive. For $ 100 I wouldn’t think twice before to buy, but $ 200... It's as much as a charger.
Who buys them? People who have a Tesla and a non-Tesla. Only have to have a Tesla level 2 wall charger at home, and charge both cars.
Received a Lectron unit and it’s dead! Does not work. Repeated emails asking for returning/credit information have been not answered. Do not recommend this product. 2011 Nissan Leaf.
cool
We are happy to see more competition for our JDapter Stub™, now in its 4th year of production.
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
RAD!
Genius idea for the company who created this. Not sure how I feel about other car brand drivers taking advantage of Tesla products, that were built for the use of Tesla customers. Tesla has gone to great lengths to make their cars easy to charge, thats one of their biggest advantages. Just doesn't seem quite right to me.
Nikko the Cat, our company created JDapter Stub™ 4 years ago. After selling many thousands of these, it’s great to see a new competitor. QC Charge is entering hear 8 of providing high quality and innovative Electric Vehicle charging products for your car.
Thanks,
Tony Williams
Founder/ CEO / Product Architect
QC Charge
1780-104 La Costa Meadows Drive
San Marcos, California 92078 USA
One of the pros of ICE cars is the simplicity of an extremely common fuel port. In order to get to mass EV adoption we are going to need to have a standard charging solution. It kind of feels like were in the vhs/ beta max days and there is a new generation of tech like DVD and streaming that will aggregate all charging to one right around the corner.
DJ Cruiser, electricity is far more ubiquitous than “liquid fuel”. Every podunk town in North America has electricity... every one of them. Not even close to all of them have a liquid dispensing place. In addition, electric dispensing machines are relatively cheap compared to dispensing liquid fuel into a car (cost of pump and tank in the ground, plus EPA compliance). One of the most expensive is a hydrogen dispensing machine.
We don’t need a single method to dispense ubiquitous electricity into vehicles, any more than we did for other vehicle fuels like gasoline in 85, 87, 91, 93, etc octane, diesel, natural gas, propane, methanol, hydrogen, etc.
Going forward, we have two methods to dispense AC electricity in North America (the kind of electricity that you have at home or at work); Tesla and “J1772”. There are adaptors available for both ways; Tesla AC charge station to J1772 car (my commonly manufactures this, called JDapter Stub) as well as J1772 AC charge station to Tesla vehicles.
I don’t see that changing for a long time, and maybe not in your lifetime, but future cars may not have AC charging capability at all, saving the weight and cost of the bulky equipment on the vehicle. It’s really not needed when Electric Vehicle charging is truly ubiquitous at every parking spot.
The other method to quickly upload electricity into a vehicle is with DC electricity directly into the vehicle battery (all batteries are DC). There are three separate ways to do that today:
1) Tesla Supercharger - only Tesla cars can use this, much like only Apple products can use the Lightning plug. Supercharger uses a unique plug for North America and Japan, and adopts the regional standard plug in Europe and China.
2) CHAdeMO - the only worldwide standard with a common plug. Over 27,000 stations on 5 continents and over 100 countries.
3) SAE-J1772-DC-CCS-Combo1 - yep, that’s a mouthful, but that’s used in North America and South Korea only
Too much money for me, but cool to know it's out there.
Just an advert then ( clickbait )
Sticking bare wires in a DC charger on a TH-cam video is the ultimate in ignorance and negligence. A DC shock can STOP YOUR HEART instantly. Bad example for kids and people who don’t know any better 👎🏻👎🏻
Nice idea,but TERRIBLY overpriced
I'd unplug anyone I see using one of these at a destination charger. Full stop no questions
I'll be sure to lock the connector. Stops the radical fundamentalist Tesla fan boys.
@@wuhanbatbuffet5960 I will then report to property owners and LE where applicable
Lol yeah who really wants a leaf or bolt?
I love my Leaf.
The Bolt is the closet thing you'll get to a SR Model 3........
@@haywoodjablome234 considering it can only be hoped to be far less than half as good as a SR model 3 you may be right.