They were simple to fix, simple to change, and they simply worked. I changed many and fixed many a flat back in the 70’s working as a kid at my dads road construction company. Just had to be careful and use the cage. 😁
They were made so they could be changed on the side of the road with total s they kept in the truck. Triple A and cell phones weren’t available back then. Truck drivers were on there own once they headed out.
First one I changed was in the late 80s and was as tall as me on a link belt truck crane but we brought a mounted spare with us. Changed a lot of tires in the shop but never saw a cage until maybe 1999. Got the air bead seater at the same time. Saved a few bucks on ether. Ratchet straps or binders work good when it's warm but when it's cold starting fluid is the ticket cause if it doesn't seat the first try the tire is warm for the second.
Daytons can still be optioned new from Mack. They stuck around do to the ease of servicing (tire changing) and it is only recently that one Budd style rims were able to match/exceed the weight capacity of Daytons without cracking around the bolt holes (this still an issue to some degree). This a big reason why Daytons remained on the drive axles long after the steer axels were switched to one piece wheels. Also far less torque is required to fasten Dayton's to the hub compared to budd style wheels making in field servicing/changing much easier. The disadvantage of Daytons is the need for them to be installed properly or they can wobble and over heat the tires potentially causing a blow out, or they could spin on the hub negating ANY braking effort. So when installing Daytons you have to be sure it is done correctly. Budd style wheels on the other hand made it almost idiot proof to screw up an install..
@@buckyflex1dayton hubs can outlast the axles they are mounted to... but not suited to highway use and have been phased out to save a penny per mile in operating costs... and millions of dollars in teaching people how to mount them... cause people (in general) they are trainable but stupid.... Im too old to be trainableatthis point....
That is correct, I work at a Kenworth dealership in Australia and we still sell a lot of new trucks with spoke wheels. But with single piece tubeless rims rather than split rims.
@@JeremyPetho well my dad is a truck driver and I’ve seen a brand new Kenworth T909 with spoke wheels. I ask my dad why do we still use them and he said. There Tougher then alloy wheels
If I remember right, Dayton was originally a brand of tubed tire, and the company was the first to feature the "Doubled Up" (dually) wheel/rim system for all non-steering and drive axles on early commercial duty trucks to aid in the transport of greater weight...The Dayton rims were also reminiscent of the way tires attached to the multi-spoked rims of the early cars of the time...
Its because in the early days it was almost impossible to get the bead of the tire over the rim edge. So they developed the two piece system for more efficiency. When properly mounted its a great working rim and tire combination.
These were engineered to be able to carry extreme amounts of weight, while being able to service and remove them on the roadside with a limited amount of tools. The truth is, they work great! You could actually pull that whole assembly apart and change a tire without a jack or air tools of the time. You just deflate the tire, and work it under the hub with a crowbar. Make sure that the back of the rims were all flush against the surface of the hub all the way around....tighten everything down in sequence, and you were good to go. However, these are ones that you definitely want to check the lugnuts daily, and re-torque after 50, or 100 miles of driving if someone has had them apart.
When I was a little, I was fascinated by the large 18 wheelers. They were big. They were loud, especially the trucks with the Detroit Diesel engines. But I really liked were the “star fish” wheels on the trucks. Only recently I learned they were called Dayton wheels.
I worked at a family owned tire shop from the age of 15 until I got paralyzed at 25, I changed a lot of these 20" Dayton split rims and others too. I honestly don't know why they made them for so long, possibly the fact that they can be changed fairly easily with a hammer and a couple tire bars. I started changing them from an early age and I learned quickly from my cousin and a couple of the older guys that worked there that with these or any split rims that it's very important to make sure everything was clean before it was reassembled. Especially the ring and the groove that it seats into. So before I reassembled any of them I took the drill and wire wheel to both! In those 10 years I had one split rim that was a three piece design (if I remember right) off of a forklift that started to come apart, the ring came out of the groove about a third of the way around the wheel so everybody evacuated the shop and we were waiting for it to blow up. But after waiting 5 minutes or more and it didn't I went in and stuck an ice pick through the sidewall to release the pressure. I never trusted any split rims, I wouldn't even sit in front of it like you were. LOL! Merry Christmas and happy new year!
You can change a tire without having to carry a spare rim. Get the Dayton (Trilex) rim off the wheel mount, deflate, remove the split rim segments, put them in a new tire, inflate. and put the new tire onto the wheel mount. Simple and easy.
I love the Spoke rims on old Mack’s! They go hand in hand with them. They look the best on them. All the old Autocars and Mack’s I use to see in Nj had them.
Well ,I serviced Macks in the 1980s at the Post office garage and they did the job,we called the hub the spider and you had to remember to whack the dogs with the mount bolts backed off a little to avoid them shooting across the shop,other than that there just split ring wheels , mounting as steering tires did need adjusting of the dogs to get the wheel to run true Regards
I asked a truckie i used to know why they used open center cleat rims is because they are easier to change and lighter to handle and lift as well and less awkward and are still popular with modern trucks today in Australia.
They still make them ....they were universals where in he beginning lug patterns were not. It was easy stock a single wheel that fit every dayton out there. Also there was no welded center section in the wheel to manufacture and install in a seperate operation. Also mounting the heavy wheels did not drag the wheel over the studs each time and did not damage stud as easily as stud piloted setups could.
You've never changed dual wheel Budd wheels , there is an inner nut that screws on the lug bolt to hold the inner wheel . Now the lug nut that holds the inner wheel has threads on the inside and the outside so after tightening that you put on the outer wheel then there is a nut that holds the outer wheel. So if you are taking off the outer wheel and the inner out comes loose and stays attached to the outer nut your gonna spend ALOT of time trying to get them apart. But you can buy an air impact that holds the inner nut / bolt and spins off the outer nut . Plus you've got to deal with ten lugs per wheel instead of five or six. You can get tubeless wheels for your spoke wheels and they don't have the killer split ring.
zinderkugel us I must say after posting this video a lot of guys pointed out the pluses to Dayton rims. Most of the guys I learned from hated them but I see the up sides now. It was nice to be able to change those tires with only a 1 1/4” socket and 5 nuts per wheel.
Ahhhh man i hated working on those wheels, i know exactly what youre talking about. The maintenance guy I worked with called them "ball and seat" wheels. A Mack that moved wayyyy to much weight around the yard all day long had those f***ing things on them. Being in a metal yard, that Mack had flats all the time. Guy named Floyd would come on the radio "I got a flat." And if youre lucky, you got him rolling again in like 30 min. Lol otherwise youre gonna be there all morning messing with those stupid ball/seat wheel fasteners lol
Simply put, stronger, longer living than the rest.... Added benefits, don't need to buy thousands of dollars in shop equipment to service or fix. BTW the tow company people and local truck garage guys hate losing business once you see how with normal hand tools you can do the job easier & faster than the tow in and so on, so on. Much, much safer than aluminum that at times you can't visually (eye sight)detect cracks or defects. Yep, hand tool friendly and much stronger. I like them on my log truck and anything else would be a down grade and money wrongly spent
When I was 6 years old, I absolutely hated Dayton wheels. They were on my 1996 International buses. However, today I have an appreciation for them, because I love classic cars and trucks! The first truck I ever rode in had these wheels, so that’s why I’m liking them now. I hope some people keep them on their old trucks so people can remember them.
Wheels were cheaper and you could change them with manual tools. You are not changing budd type wheels without a 1 inch drive impact. Early bias tires had split rims and used tubes too. Budd wheels came about with tubeless radial tires.
A lot of countries still use them to this day. The 2 main reasons they are still being used is 1 they’re really easy to change. Meaning less down time. 2 they can hold almost 2x the load of a bud or hub wheel.
For when ya have to change wheels on the side of the road. They are good on road trains in Australia. A wheel with no centre is lighter to fit/carry and cheeper to buy.
The Dayton spoke design is very old. The Model T era or 1910 to 1920 era. The Dayton spoke rim was a very strong design, you can see a lot of gravel off road dump trucks, cement trucks, other heavy weight off road trucks and trailers still use the Dayton spokes. The spoke design is way stronger that a 5, 6, or 10 hole Budd rim! I am sure that is also true on the hub pilot rims as all of those designs were for over the road trucks and trailers. Hub pilot rim set up is lighter weight than the 10 hole Budd! If you run a Budd and Dayton trucks down a pickup rutted road, start watching the Budd for cracks between lug nuts, between lug nuts and hand holes. Actually I have seen less cracking on 6 bolt Budds than 10 bolt Budds were the trucks were driven on rutted section line roads on farms & ranches. Look at your local cement trucks, heavy haul machinery trailers, gravel dump trucks, I am willing to bet most all of them have Dayton spokes! Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
If you only had hand tools, they were a lot easier to do than stud pilot (budd) wheels. Mounted spares are lighter as well. Running an impact gun, it's a wash. And you can get tubless one-piece rims and tires to work on dayton hubs.
They are stronger than buds and back when they were looking to put all that together they were looking for strong first. Look at the cars, they had roughly the same design. (Model A and so forth.) I hated working with these. I got good at it cause you don't want wobble. I drove truck with these and split rims. I hate em. Did I say that ! I am older now and will convert to buds just to stay away from them. I don't need the strength in a skoolie. (Bus converted to RV)
""IF YOUWERE HIGH ON THEJOB BACK BEFORE 1980 WHETHER IT WAS-STREETDRUGS OR SOMETYPE OF A 🧠 BRAINSTIMULANT OR A SUBSTANCE- LIKE-COCAINE, ""DIDN'T NO BODY CAREABOUT NOTHIN BACKTHEN, ""THEREWAS NO DRUGTEST TO TERMINATE-YOU OR ORDER-YOU TO PAY A PENALTY IF YOUHAD OR SUFFERED AND-ACCIDENT WHETHER ON THEJOB OR OFF THEJOB, ""DUI AND DWI DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE 1980, ""PEOPLE WEREHAVING ALL TYPES OF CAR-ACCIDENTS BACKTHEN DURING THE-40's, ""50's AND 1960's, ""DRIVING WHILE DRUNK, ""NO PROBLEM, ""NO BIGDEAL, ""NO SUCHTHING AS DUI, ""DRIVING UNDER THE-INFLUENCE IF WHATEVER THEFUCK YOUWERE DRINKING BACKTHEN, ""NO ONECARED""!!!!!!!!!
They had their advantages, the weight was on the hub instead of the rim and if off-road in and subject to lots of mud they did not fill up full of mud like bud wheels do .
Most all of the newer dayton rims are one piece not two pieces. You have to be careful taking them off or the dogs or wedges will fly out and hit you. I suppose that they are faster to change than a bud wheel also.
I think that they stayed around is because they worked I have done a lot of them but when they are rusty they are the worst to get a part if they are not rusty there ok
I've seen guys take off all the nuts, struggle to pull the wheel off only to have a cleat or the whole wheel come off with an explosive impact and wipe them out and I mean legs broken beyond just a cast and set back in place. We call them spiders or widow makers in Australia because they've literally killed people who weren't careful. I always leave the nuts on the end of the threads, stand to the side and give them a little tap with a hammer or rubber mallet. Even then they still pop 😂
The reason they had them back in the 50s 60s 70s and early 80s is because the older pilot rims where extremely heavy and hard too get on to the axle and they would not mount properly but in the 80s they found lighter pilot rims that where alloy and the Daytons would wobble like crazy and that’s why they where phased out
Because it was stronger... they are still stronger. You call stud pilot what i call bud wheels which sucked because constantly the studs would come loose before the outter nut. But even just 20 years ago hub piolet rims would crack a lot under heavy loads... unless you bought quality rims (and no one buys quality over cost). And also most shops dont have a beer bottle around to help center the rim of a dayton wheel.... if otc makes a tool im sure its $1000 dollars.
The primary reason was because of the load bearing capabilities. Look at how the rim is supported by the hub. Look at the massive hub. Compare that whole setup to Budd rims. Relatively speaking, the Budd rims are flimsy.
They were simple to fix, simple to change, and they simply worked. I changed many and fixed many a flat back in the 70’s working as a kid at my dads road construction company. Just had to be careful and use the cage. 😁
They look awesome too.
@@1965Gindy they really do look the best
They were made so they could be changed on the side of the road with total s they kept in the truck. Triple A and cell phones weren’t available back then. Truck drivers were on there own once they headed out.
First one I changed was in the late 80s and was as tall as me on a link belt truck crane but we brought a mounted spare with us. Changed a lot of tires in the shop but never saw a cage until maybe 1999. Got the air bead seater at the same time. Saved a few bucks on ether. Ratchet straps or binders work good when it's warm but when it's cold starting fluid is the ticket cause if it doesn't seat the first try the tire is warm for the second.
They are getting rare. But in New England especially, we haul more weight. The dayton,or spoke style wheel were stronger.
Daytons can still be optioned new from Mack. They stuck around do to the ease of servicing (tire changing) and it is only recently that one Budd style rims were able to match/exceed the weight capacity of Daytons without cracking around the bolt holes (this still an issue to some degree). This a big reason why Daytons remained on the drive axles long after the steer axels were switched to one piece wheels.
Also far less torque is required to fasten Dayton's to the hub compared to budd style wheels making in field servicing/changing much easier.
The disadvantage of Daytons is the need for them to be installed properly or they can wobble and over heat the tires potentially causing a blow out, or they could spin on the hub negating ANY braking effort. So when installing Daytons you have to be sure it is done correctly. Budd style wheels on the other hand made it almost idiot proof to screw up an install..
Yep you see them a lot on Macks logging configurations
@@buckyflex1dayton hubs can outlast the axles they are mounted to... but not suited to highway use and have been phased out to save a penny per mile in operating costs... and millions of dollars in teaching people how to mount them... cause people (in general) they are trainable but stupid....
Im too old to be trainableatthis point....
I believe they still use these styles wheels in Australia on trucks and trailers. Round here I see a lot of them on trailers still.
That is correct, I work at a Kenworth dealership in Australia and we still sell a lot of new trucks with spoke wheels. But with single piece tubeless rims rather than split rims.
@@JeremyPetho well my dad is a truck driver and I’ve seen a brand new Kenworth T909 with spoke wheels. I ask my dad why do we still use them and he said. There Tougher then alloy wheels
They use them for mobile homes and container trailers to this day
If I remember right, Dayton was originally a brand of tubed tire, and the company was the first to feature the "Doubled Up" (dually) wheel/rim system for all non-steering and drive axles on early commercial duty trucks to aid in the transport of greater weight...The Dayton rims were also reminiscent of the way tires attached to the multi-spoked rims of the early cars of the time...
Its because in the early days it was almost impossible to get the bead of the tire over the rim edge. So they developed the two piece system for more efficiency. When properly mounted its a great working rim and tire combination.
These were engineered to be able to carry extreme amounts of weight, while being able to service and remove them on the roadside with a limited amount of tools.
The truth is, they work great! You could actually pull that whole assembly apart and change a tire without a jack or air tools of the time. You just deflate the tire, and work it under the hub with a crowbar. Make sure that the back of the rims were all flush against the surface of the hub all the way around....tighten everything down in sequence, and you were good to go.
However, these are ones that you definitely want to check the lugnuts daily, and re-torque after 50, or 100 miles of driving if someone has had them apart.
When I was a little, I was fascinated by the large 18 wheelers. They were big. They were loud, especially the trucks with the Detroit Diesel engines. But I really liked were the “star fish” wheels on the trucks. Only recently I learned they were called Dayton wheels.
I’ve never heard of them called star fish, but I like it.
Intermodal chassis still run them and tube type 10x20. First warm weather in spring and the rubber goes flying
I worked at a family owned tire shop from the age of 15 until I got paralyzed at 25, I changed a lot of these 20" Dayton split rims and others too. I honestly don't know why they made them for so long, possibly the fact that they can be changed fairly easily with a hammer and a couple tire bars. I started changing them from an early age and I learned quickly from my cousin and a couple of the older guys that worked there that with these or any split rims that it's very important to make sure everything was clean before it was reassembled. Especially the ring and the groove that it seats into. So before I reassembled any of them I took the drill and wire wheel to both! In those 10 years I had one split rim that was a three piece design (if I remember right) off of a forklift that started to come apart, the ring came out of the groove about a third of the way around the wheel so everybody evacuated the shop and we were waiting for it to blow up. But after waiting 5 minutes or more and it didn't I went in and stuck an ice pick through the sidewall to release the pressure. I never trusted any split rims, I wouldn't even sit in front of it like you were. LOL! Merry Christmas and happy new year!
You can change a tire without having to carry a spare rim. Get the Dayton (Trilex) rim off the wheel mount, deflate, remove the split rim segments, put them in a new tire, inflate. and put the new tire onto the wheel mount. Simple and easy.
I love the Spoke rims on old Mack’s! They go hand in hand with them. They look the best on them. All the old Autocars and Mack’s I use to see in Nj had them.
Well ,I serviced Macks in the 1980s at the Post office garage and they did the job,we called the hub the spider and you had to remember to whack the dogs with the mount bolts backed off a little to avoid them shooting across the shop,other than that there just split ring wheels , mounting as steering tires did need adjusting of the dogs to get the wheel to run true Regards
I asked a truckie i used to know why they used open center cleat rims is because they are easier to change and lighter to handle and lift as well and less awkward and are still popular with modern trucks today in Australia.
They still make them ....they were universals where in he beginning lug patterns were not. It was easy stock a single wheel that fit every dayton out there. Also there was no welded center section in the wheel to manufacture and install in a seperate operation. Also mounting the heavy wheels did not drag the wheel over the studs each time and did not damage stud as easily as stud piloted setups could.
You've never changed dual wheel Budd wheels , there is an inner nut that screws on the lug bolt to hold the inner wheel .
Now the lug nut that holds the inner wheel has threads on the inside and the outside so after tightening that you put on the outer wheel then there is a nut that holds the outer wheel.
So if you are taking off the outer wheel and the inner out comes loose and stays attached to the outer nut your gonna spend ALOT of time trying to get them apart.
But you can buy an air impact that holds the inner nut / bolt and spins off the outer nut .
Plus you've got to deal with ten lugs per wheel instead of five or six.
You can get tubeless wheels for your spoke wheels and they don't have the killer split ring.
zinderkugel us I must say after posting this video a lot of guys pointed out the pluses to Dayton rims. Most of the guys I learned from hated them but I see the up sides now. It was nice to be able to change those tires with only a 1 1/4” socket and 5 nuts per wheel.
Ahhhh man i hated working on those wheels, i know exactly what youre talking about. The maintenance guy I worked with called them "ball and seat" wheels. A Mack that moved wayyyy to much weight around the yard all day long had those f***ing things on them. Being in a metal yard, that Mack had flats all the time. Guy named Floyd would come on the radio "I got a flat." And if youre lucky, you got him rolling again in like 30 min. Lol otherwise youre gonna be there all morning messing with those stupid ball/seat wheel fasteners lol
Simply put, stronger, longer living than the rest.... Added benefits, don't need to buy thousands of dollars in shop equipment to service or fix.
BTW the tow company people and local truck garage guys hate losing business once you see how with normal hand tools you can do the job easier & faster than the tow in and so on, so on.
Much, much safer than aluminum that at times you can't visually (eye sight)detect cracks or defects. Yep, hand tool friendly and much stronger. I like them on my log truck and anything else would be a down grade and money wrongly spent
I believe they support more weight which is why you see them on dump trucks more than semis..
They also had better side loading if I remember so when off roading they held up better
When I was 6 years old, I absolutely hated Dayton wheels. They were on my 1996 International buses. However, today I have an appreciation for them, because I love classic cars and trucks! The first truck I ever rode in had these wheels, so that’s why I’m liking them now. I hope some people keep them on their old trucks so people can remember them.
I plan to keep the Daytona in my truck. Some paint and chrome caps and they can look pretty sharp.
@@everydayamerican2037 that would look awesome, can’t wait to see the final results!
Super heavy duty Overkill was the old way
Stronger! Big drawback was if they spun, they'd cut the stem
Wheels were cheaper and you could change them with manual tools. You are not changing budd type wheels without a 1 inch drive impact. Early bias tires had split rims and used tubes too. Budd wheels came about with tubeless radial tires.
A lot of countries still use them to this day. The 2 main reasons they are still being used is 1 they’re really easy to change. Meaning less down time. 2 they can hold almost 2x the load of a bud or hub wheel.
The Budd system certainly predates tubeless, radial tires. Back to the 1940's at least. There are 5, 6, and 10 hole versions.
Just Subscribed. You dont need a big impact wrench to R and R daytons.
For when ya have to change wheels on the side of the road. They are good on road trains in Australia. A wheel with no centre is lighter to fit/carry and cheeper to buy.
Theyre tough
I think they look better and tougher then Bud Wheels
The Dayton spoke design is very old. The Model T era or 1910 to 1920 era. The Dayton spoke rim was a very strong design, you can see a lot of gravel off road dump trucks, cement trucks, other heavy weight off road trucks and trailers still use the Dayton spokes.
The spoke design is way stronger that a 5, 6, or 10 hole Budd rim! I am sure that is also true on the hub pilot rims as all of those designs were for over the road trucks and trailers. Hub pilot rim set up is lighter weight than the 10 hole Budd!
If you run a Budd and Dayton trucks down a pickup rutted road, start watching the Budd for cracks between lug nuts, between lug nuts and hand holes. Actually I have seen less cracking on 6 bolt Budds than 10 bolt Budds were the trucks were driven on rutted section line roads on farms & ranches. Look at your local cement trucks, heavy haul machinery trailers, gravel dump trucks, I am willing to bet most all of them have Dayton spokes!
Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.
IH was great for cast spokes on their trucks
You are correct,and so was Mack.
They were used for the simplicity and the strength. Load bearing on the wheel instead of a bud wheel where the load in in the center of the wheel
I was told it was for snow. They claimed the snow wouldn't get built up in the wheels because it is open on both ends.
If you only had hand tools, they were a lot easier to do than stud pilot (budd) wheels. Mounted spares are lighter as well. Running an impact gun, it's a wash. And you can get tubless one-piece rims and tires to work on dayton hubs.
They are stronger than buds and back when they were looking to put all that together they were looking for strong first. Look at the cars, they had roughly the same design. (Model A and so forth.) I hated working with these. I got good at it cause you don't want wobble. I drove truck with these and split rims. I hate em. Did I say that ! I am older now and will convert to buds just to stay away from them. I don't need the strength in a skoolie. (Bus converted to RV)
Simple dayton wheel installment for heavy bus, medium/heavy trailer truck?
""IF YOUWERE HIGH ON THEJOB BACK BEFORE 1980 WHETHER IT WAS-STREETDRUGS OR SOMETYPE OF A 🧠 BRAINSTIMULANT OR A SUBSTANCE- LIKE-COCAINE, ""DIDN'T NO BODY CAREABOUT NOTHIN BACKTHEN, ""THEREWAS NO DRUGTEST TO TERMINATE-YOU OR ORDER-YOU TO PAY A PENALTY IF YOUHAD OR SUFFERED AND-ACCIDENT WHETHER ON THEJOB OR OFF THEJOB, ""DUI AND DWI DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE 1980, ""PEOPLE WEREHAVING ALL TYPES OF CAR-ACCIDENTS BACKTHEN DURING THE-40's, ""50's AND 1960's, ""DRIVING WHILE DRUNK, ""NO PROBLEM, ""NO BIGDEAL, ""NO SUCHTHING AS DUI, ""DRIVING UNDER THE-INFLUENCE IF WHATEVER THEFUCK YOUWERE DRINKING BACKTHEN, ""NO ONECARED""!!!!!!!!!
There every where here in Australia
What kind of tire is that? Looks like a vintage snow tire
Less material, les cost.
They are very strong can carry a shitload of weight over in Australia they still run them even on newer trucks
Thanks for watching from across the pond! We have a few companies by us that have newer trucks with Dayton’s also but pretty rare.
They had their advantages, the weight was on the hub instead of the rim and if off-road in and subject to lots of mud they did not fill up full of mud like bud wheels do .
Most all of the newer dayton rims are one piece not two pieces. You have to be careful taking them off or the dogs or wedges will fly out and hit you. I suppose that they are faster to change than a bud wheel also.
I think that they stayed around is because they worked I have done a lot of them but when they are rusty they are the worst to get a part if they are not rusty there ok
They will haul heavier weights than a Budd wheel .. you hardly see the big coal trucks with budds on the rear..maybe on the front axle
They still make them for many trucks. Planetary drive axels are too big for budds. They run a 22 or 24 on those trucks
I still see those in Mexico.
I've seen guys take off all the nuts, struggle to pull the wheel off only to have a cleat or the whole wheel come off with an explosive impact and wipe them out and I mean legs broken beyond just a cast and set back in place. We call them spiders or widow makers in Australia because they've literally killed people who weren't careful. I always leave the nuts on the end of the threads, stand to the side and give them a little tap with a hammer or rubber mallet. Even then they still pop 😂
The reason they had them back in the 50s 60s 70s and early 80s is because the older pilot rims where extremely heavy and hard too get on to the axle and they would not mount properly but in the 80s they found lighter pilot rims that where alloy and the Daytons would wobble like crazy and that’s why they where phased out
Until hub piloted rims came along in the 90s, in my opinion the spoke style was superior to the old stud piloted rims. We had many rim failures wi
Not all dayton rims are a split rim most of them have a drop center
Just like a wagon wheel. People didn't know no better.
Because it was stronger... they are still stronger.
You call stud pilot what i call bud wheels which sucked because constantly the studs would come loose before the outter nut.
But even just 20 years ago hub piolet rims would crack a lot under heavy loads... unless you bought quality rims (and no one buys quality over cost).
And also most shops dont have a beer bottle around to help center the rim of a dayton wheel.... if otc makes a tool im sure its $1000 dollars.
It so you don't need to fumble with tire irons or a large machine to get the bead over the rim. It seems obvious to me.
The primary reason was because of the load bearing capabilities. Look at how the rim is supported by the hub. Look at the massive hub. Compare that whole setup to Budd rims. Relatively speaking, the Budd rims are flimsy.
What's wrong with them?
Nothing really. I knew a lot of guys who never liked them but I think they just didn’t like having to true them up. I’m keeping them in my Mack.
They could handle more weight
Clicked on the video to get the answer. Only got the same question aired. Disliked.
They kept them way to long. I think they were cheap
Because they look better and change heaps quicker than 10 stud