Iron Duke Kenworth Restoration Ep.5 Hate'n on Daytons
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Now that I’m back from the Lesco truck show, which was a blast, its time to get back to work on the Duke. First off, I wanted to move it to a better location to strip it down and prep for sandblasting. Once in place and put on blocks, I proceeded to start removing the old Dayton wheels, sometimes referred to as Chicago Wobblers. Now I’ve always called them wagon wheels and was never a really big fan as these were not typically seen on the fancier trucks back in the day. I agree now they look kinda old school cool and are tough as nails (you can haul way more with a steel Dayton than an aluminum budd) but I’ve always preferred the look of a polished 24.5 which is the plan for this truck. However, once I started tackling these I quickly became convinced I will never use them again as they were so rusted together it took me most of the day just to get 4 wheels off the spider hubs … I broke two sledgehammers and had to beat on the so bad I can barely lift my arms. I know the Duke in the movie had Daytons but these are the smaller 22.5’s and after what I went through I’m convinced that installing larger aluminum wheels is the way to go. Plus this is going to be more of a “Tribute” truck, where I plan to put my own spin on it verses an exact movie replica like I’m doing on #ProjectSnowman.
Hope you enjoy the video and thanks for all the comments, suggestions, and support!
Keep in mind, I know a little about a lot but not an expert in anything … just doing the best I can, learning as I go ... I do all my own stunts
Enjoy watching the progress of this Kenworth K100 cabover project, a tribute to the one used in the movie High-Ballin’ with Jerry Reed, the ongoing Peterbilt 359 Little by Little restoration that started this channel and #ProjectSnowman a tribute truck to the one used in the 70’s trucking movie Smokey & the Bandit
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The fact you kept it pg language with those pesky wheels. My trucker tourettes would have had the video red flagged, lol.
Keep up the solid work sir!
Damn you're brave taking those lug nuts off the edges before breaking them loose lol. I've seen wedges fly across a shop and take a chunk outta a block wall.
Yeah I just got excited with the Milwaukee and forgot that safety rule 🤦♂️ that’s why I added the PSA text in the Vid 👀
@@TwinStix maybe invest in some oxy and acetylene torches. Big difference with heat. Have you considered a suspension cut off instead of welding the cracked frame rails?
You are exactly right I've seen people get their teeth knocked out not doing it.
@@nickeldime309 not sure you wanna be throwing too much heat on a rim that can split apart 🤔 also I’d love to do a cutoff but how do you weld a steel section to an aluminum frame?
@@TwinStix find a cut off. And use the steel frame rails as a template to drill new holes. After you cut your frame off at the Crack. But it doesn't really matter to me. It's your truck
Mark, an easy way, and easy is a relative term, is to air down the tire to 20psi then use a tiger torch to heat the inner wheel. The rim is thinner and will expand faster than the hub. It works to at least break the rust but usually gets it off. A little tip for ya.
yeah and a bit of snake oil never hurts
No no COMPLETELY deflated both tires, pressure builds tires explodes
Good thing those wheels were not cracked at the clamps, BOOM
Air expands when it's heated, so you definitely don't want to heat the rim with too much pressure in the tire and have it blow up in your face. But otherwise good advice 👍🏻
@@urlordSANDMAN the amount of pressure you will introduce is very minimal. You are not turning the rim cherry, you only need 200-300 degrees temp. Deflating completely runs the chance of losing the bead. I have welded rims this exact way, there is no drama.
8:10 To watch the suffering 100% haha. That and the music and to see these trucks get some love they deserve
I was just thinking 'geez I prefer looking at this over actually doing it!'
Rusty projects may suck to work on. But the reward when she's all done is priceless
I gotta say. Since I first saw this truck I’ve been saying to myself “please don’t shorten it”. It’s such a great looking truck. My dad had K100’s when I was growing up. I’ve rode many a mile curled up against the doghouse just enjoying the engine heat late at night. It’s a fantastic truck, and it’s lucky to have you in its life.
"If it doesn't have tandems it's a glorified pickup truck. " THANK YOU!!! Been trying to tell everyone who hassles me to drop an axle hell to the no!!👍🚛
The reason those rims are coming off hard is due to the rust. Those rims are tubeless, they are NOT as dangerous to air up then a aluminum wheels on you Peterbilt. Once again those other rims are tube type rims with a one ore two piece lock ring. Split rims were older yet. A Dayton Wheeler needs to come off evenly of its hub or it will wedge. If you think you had a hard time getting them off your KW. try removing a Budd (ball & seat) INSIDE wheel on the side of the road after having a flat tire with NO air of battery powered wrench. That's 20 nuts to remove & to replace if you can get them off. I promise you the truck that went by you while changing the tire will be 50 or 60 miles down the road by the time you lower your jack & put it back in your truck.Before tubeless tires a trucker HAD to CHANGE a flat tire on the road. within a matter of just a few miles the valve stem of the tube went into the rim wrecking the tube. go a few miles more the tire then would squeeze together so tight that the two beads were so close one couldn't get you fingers between it. If one still kept going then one had a pretty good chance of blowing the other tire that was beside the original tire that went flat. Those Dayton's were fine for the times other than the extra time taken to make sure they didn't wobble they were ok. If one painted the hub one color & the rim & spacer another color with maybe a chrome axle cap they even looked pretty nice. You need to remember very few trucks ran aluminum wheels on their drive axles back then. Now it's the norm.
Zactly! And when I had to change drive tires on my truck with aluminum unimounts, they didn't want to come loose either.
Agree, nothing unsafe with tubeless daytons. People see that and assume it's a split, when they're not. We don't have those rust issues due whatever reason. Just need a socket on a bar, and a medium size hammer. Take your time and tighten evenly going on, and check for wobble like you said. Much stronger design than buds, and maybe even flanges today.
I never had an issue with Dayton wheels as long as you were using the truck!
Ran them on a logging truck with banded hubs and solid spacers. Only setup that would take the weight. (off highway) And relatively easy to change cause they didn't get time to get rusty! lol
I had a set of aluminum Budd hub pilot wheels that the tire shop spent all afternoon trying to get them off!
Daytons would have been welcome that day!
I love hard work.
I can watch someone working hard all day long.
Well that episode deserves a shot or two of Jack Daniel’s to ease the Dayton pain . I had a laugh at the beginning while moving it into position , I work the same way ! I’d say worst is over with the mouse house and Dayton nightmare back breaker ! Awesome videos 👍🇨🇦
Don't know if it will work or not but before you go to roll it into the shop, loosen the wedges a ways, rolling around loose may cause the wheels to free up and make for an easier disassembly than handling hubs, wheels and all as a unit.
Who needs a gym?! Bloody well done Mark, that looked a complete ballache!!
As I watch you work "tirelessly" (hehe) to pull those old Dayton's off.... it occurred to me that I have never seen an overweight tire man. Who knew that changing truck tires was such a workout!
When I was the emergency tire guy I use to have to go out on calls to change tires and many were on truck on the highways and I changed many truck tires that had the daytons Imagine being out on the side of the highway with cars buzzing by in the cold changing the inner tire of a dayton. I thought being the on call tire guy was going to be fun when I found out it's only fun for a while then it becomes a pain in the arse
Tip: Put oil on the flats the wheel slides off on. Makes it alot easier.
The old rusty stuff when it's done has a greater appreciation. And a sense of pride.
The more it fights you the more "fun" it is! Mantra Number 1 that I live by is "nothing is easy". You inspire me to get working on my project Mark. Keep up the great work and videos.
I have to agree about the tandems. I know a lot of guys chop an axle to save money on tires etc, for a toy. The tandems just make a truck look like a truck, and isn't a lot of the reason we pick our toys is for their looks. I can see a nice day cab single axle truck and appreciate it, but I'll never think it looks nearly as good as a tandem truck.
I have never driven or worked on trucks. After watching this episode I have a new found respect for you all. Brutal back breaking work dealing with those wheels. Thanks for the great videos keep them coming!!
The length of the truck is perfect! Love it and it looks so sweet. Good bones to start with!
My grandfather was a log truck driver for years and had 3 or 4 log trailers and I always helped him with maintaining them and his truck on the weekends doing tires, brakes, and such. All of the trailers had Daytons and we never had much trouble out of them. All our rims where the more modern single piece rims we always stayed away from split ring wheels. But once we got the wedges out they would almost fall off. A lot of that was probably do to the fact we live in southern Alabama in the states and it’s only has snowed once or twice in my life time so no road salt to speed up the rusting process. I have always loved the the old school look of Daytons. I can’t blame you for wanting to change them though after the fight they put up. Can’t wait to see this thing cruising down the road
I love these typs of old school trucks it looks amazing and great projects as well.
Mark when removing wedges loosen lugs and leave them on before you beat them with the hammer and you will hear them pop loose. Wedges can fly off and do some serious damage to you. Also when trying to get the rim loose beat the tires on the sidewall instead of the rims they will loosen a lot easier. Changed a lot of them in my day. Keep them vids coming.
Yup I’m aware, just got rolling with the old Milwaukee and forgot but was why I added that safety note in the vid 👀
Run forest run, I nearly choked on my beer. Good one Mark.
I felt my self break a sweat watching you struggle with those tires! What a job keep it up mark!
U just got one hell of a work out!! Keep up the great videos and thanks for sharing
Restoring the Peterbilt is absolutely awesome can't wait to see the cab over when it is finished!!!!
Watching you wrestle with those Daytons brought back nightmares... I mean memories!
Home sick today and this made me feel better, even if just for aa few minutes. Thanks!
I felt every pound of the hammer that you swung it, its going to look just as nice as the others want you get it done and I'll be watching every episode. Oh and tks for posting on my bday
So thankful these aren't common anymore I am an diesel mechanic by trade but never yet had to deal with this style of wheel
I've been binge watching these all day.
I’m jealous, you looked as though you were having “soooo much fun” while removing those wheels!!! 💪 💪 💪
Great Video as Always Mark way to go 👍 saving the old Iron!!
Makes whatever I have to do on my little peanut project today seem like a walk in the park! Keep it up, I enjoy your videos!
Ooh perfect new twinstick garage video! Cheers mark!! I’m stuck in hotel quarantine (despite having nothing wrong with me ) down under, this makes my otherwise boring day entertaining now !👌 cheers!
I'm doing most of the work on my 1990 Autocar Dump but when it comes to wheels and tires I got a mobile guy that comes out and knows all the tricks of the trade. Does all the work on my dump. backhoe and tractor. Well worth the money.
When you broke the "BFH" in slow motion, you looked like Mark McGwire. You should send that into the Canadian ESPN for the top ten plays.
This episode had me in stitches.
Well done 👍
What an absolute pain in the backside getting them off after standing so long. Never seen that set up before with being in Uk but we always used to use copper slip/ anti seize on hubs etc
Keep up the good work
UK?? Greatings from Worcestershire..
This is part of trucks that can be hard to get through good hard work gets it done cheers mark
Looks you have lot of fun :) I like it its the first time I see someone take these wheel off.
I was just about to make a comment about leaving the nuts on when smacking the wedges when your safety tip popped up 🤣 changed a lotta daytons working with my Dad
I love your work ethic. Whatever it takes.
I started driving in the mid-70s. Trucks and trailers we had were all Daytons. Never had any problems with them but we never had them set around and get rusted on like that. They're great and a whole lot easier to change then the steel budd Wheels which required removing 20 nuts to get the inner wheel off. The 'nut' that held the inner wheel on was actually a hollow stud with threads on the inside and outside and a square head so you could tighten it up on the inner wheel. You put it on first tightened all 10 of them up, put the outer wheel on and the 10 nuts threaded over the hollow stud to hold it on. That's a pain in the ass. A lot of times even on one's that weren't Rusty the outer nut would seize to the hollow stud so both had to come off at the same time. We eventually got a truck with those budd wheels on and bought a fancy gear operated contraption that had the square headed socket inside the hex socket that fit over both at the same time and when you turned it it worked one against the other so the nut would come off the stud no problem. I could change an inner tire with Dayton Wheels a whole lot faster. And you can get the tubeless dayton wheels that are all one piece.
Man, I would fly up from California and help you if I could! It’d be an honor to learn from the legend himself!
Here's a tip when a really long, strong prybar would come in handy...I used a broken torsion bar from an early 70's Chrysler Corp sedan...With the help of an oxy/acetylene rig, a heavy sledge and an anvil, the broken end was flattened into a spoon shape...It served me well until I retired...
That cabover looks so sweet with that frame length 😍 she is going to be beautiful
You are the bravest man I’ve ever seen alway leave the nuts on one turn because sometimes the chocks load up and shoot off would take someone’s hand off
Yup I’m aware, just got rolling with the old Milwaukee and forgot but was why I added that safety note in the vid 👀
It’s putting up a struggle but the rewards are in the post - hopefully they’ll be early! The stables looking great 👍
always a great day when you upload a video!
Thanks mate great way to start the night
Love the work big fan from Australia 🦘
Back when i was a kid driving a '68 Mack DM800 i blew both outside rear tires out on a granite curb. My boss made me remove, break down, and replace the two R24 tubed tires on those six spoke Mack hubs. Then remount them. Lol I couldn't even think about doing such a job today.
Mark imagine back in the seventies when I first started driving, I had 11 flat tires in one week. I worked out of Casper Wyoming and the towns are a long ways apart and very hard to get help 11 Flats in one week. And they were all on them stupid Wheels and the spacers are all different sizes
307 represent!
That tow when you are alone, is funny, I have done so many things alone, where I needed another person, but still made it after going back and forth 571 times. Kind of happy with yourself once its done though :-) Feels nice.
Always a good way to start a Thursday!
I hope you have good roads up there, that suspension looks brutal.
Greetings From Woodstock - Oxfordshire - UK = well done Mark - like your NEW work shop will be fab to work in side !!!!!!
I’ve driven 3 trucks that had that same tortion bar suspension. On one, you had to put your seatbelt on TIGHT! It would buck you out of the seat, especially empty!
Mark I have be honest I got a little excited every time the rim moved a little. I loved your seat though I had to laugh when you said I have let out some air. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
I’ll come out and take care of those pesky geese!! Great videos. Keep up the wicked work.
Those geese are coming down here for Christmas dinner 😂😂🇨🇱
I feel you Mark trying to get those wheels off they can be a Bear . And when you're green at it it's 3 times harder
Watching you taking the rims of was already exhausting 😉😁
I can't get enough of it, more trucks
Spider hubs are dinosaurs
Thank god you’re changing it to 10 stud hubs
Soak with PB blaster penetrating oil. It’s Like WD40. for the next few days. It will help. We use it all the time on our truck.
MIGHTY JOB Mark Id CRY If I had to through that hardship to get those Effing wheels off well done
Mark, you should've sprayed some PB Blaster out of the box I sent you into the rim between the tires before you started taking them apart lol
Twin sticks looks like you need a helper, wish I lived near you I sure would be happy to help!!
Don't blame you for wanting to lose those Daytons. Dealing with them looks like a total pain in the neck! (also deadly to wood handled sledge hammers)
Suggestion: Hang on to that Porta Power unit. In my experience they can really help when you're in a bind when nothing else will do the job.
Them old trucks are giving you a Jenny Craig workout!
This puts me off from buying anything with daytons but if I do, I do know how to do it now. Can't wait to see the trio lookin good when done
invest in a set of tire bars... trust me its the worlds best bar. That's all I wanted for a wedding gift! Also I like Buds they look good and usually don't wobble.... but if you're in the bush or on the side of the road Daytons are your friend!
I seen a truck similar to the one your working on. It had a camper style sleeper. It had to be 120 inches or more. Great job on your trucks.
I learned to drive a truck with a 13spd...I'll always have a soft spot for them
Every-time I see LBL on your videos, I smile.
Wow. I got worn out just watching that !!! Great video.
I vote you pull the fifth wheel plate off now. It has to come off anyways and your going to create more work for yourself, likely in worse weather by leaving it on until later.
Keep up the great work man.
Mark, taking off the 5th wheel plate before bead blasting, is the better option. Less embedded ferrous in the aluminum to cause a reaction UNDER the paint.
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
Unfortunately I have no way to lift it off right now ... but I'm working on a future solution
Wow!! Quite the workout with the tire removal. Better doin' it now though, before the snow starts falling.
Awesome Song 16 TONS!!!!
I've guessed snowman would be 212"...that was a super common wheelbase on short hood conventionals then.
first new K W I drove was a 1969 and it was 211 inch wheel base. bought one like iron duke the cab was listed as 82 inch on delivery papers, you bring back some good & bad memmories aka Datom wheels. had some on 65 Freightliner I bought from TIMT
When I used to change those wheels I got so I would knock those wedges loose while the nuts were loose but still on the studs I have seen those wedges fly off like they were shot out of a cannon if your face or hands were in the way it might be a nasty hit, also try soaking the wheels with penetrating oil for a couple days sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't......great video as always I enjoy your sense of humor no matter what happens.....the struggle is real.
Yeah forgot that old safety trick 🤦♂️ that’s why I added the PSA text note in the vid 👀
Those rims were a bugger! Good thing for time lapse 😂😂🇨🇱
This guy was having too much fun taking off those tires
My back hurts just watching 👀
Oh happy day. I love waking up to Twinsticks garage....and the trailer park boys clip was the most hilarious thing to see after just opening my eyes...I've gotta get back to Twinsticks garage y'all SALUTE 🇺🇸🇨🇦....✌️
Thursday means twinstick ❤️🇺🇸🇨🇦 love ur superduty’s I order a 22 tremor package , waiting on ford to build
That F350 is one good looking rig!
super duty is a real truck. i always smile when i go to the nascar races and see people dragging a 30 foot bumper pull with an F150... they say things like: It is fine, it just doesn't like the mountains.... or, it tows fine with the weight distribution hitch.... no buddy, your truck HATES YOU :)
Interesting! I've never seen a K100 with the trailer spike on the dash. Every one I've seen, including my own, are stuck on the side of the steering column. I like the way yours is mounted, I wish they would have put them all there.
If you think that you had trouble with the wheels, wait till you have to start rebuilding that torsion bar suspension! Those things had about 1400 wearing parts!
You really need to have someone donate to your shop, tire removal dolly. So you don’t hurt your back. Like what we have at the airlines.
Of course you still have too bus the tire loose first.
Only six more to go.
And yes if I could find one.
I feel your pain, last kenworth I had came with daytons and I immediately spent the money and got bud hubs. The Army still has some random pieces of equipment with daytons and I got real familiar with em and decided I hated them immediately, next truck Im gonna get WILL NOT have daytons cuz I refuse to deal with em. But if a particular truck catches my eye and has daytons I may sack up and deal with em. Another trick I used before the dayton disassemble was to SOAK the spider with kroil or pb the night before, learned that the hard way the first time. Hind sight is always 20/20
Probably a good thing you're putting the RV on the side far away from the side entrance door, it would be closer than the house, wifey might not like that. Keep up the good work!
Rust jacking between the wheel and hub. Ive had good luck by using a cutting torch, getting the tip up in their to melt the rust out. Then a thin coat of grease when it goes back together
I've been using the old bottle jack trick for years taking rims off, even stubborn cars and pickups especially with aluminum rims. But I was with your friend and just pull the whole hub with tires, it's alot easier and could always slide them back on when you need to move it. I've just always taped and bagged the axles when cleaning up the frame.
And FYI, yes I rather with in my old 77 but with health and finances it's a slow process. Working outside or winter doesn't help but for now I just have to wait till Thursday to watch you work on yours.
Tried … bottle jack wouldn’t fit against the frame as the torsion bar suspension was in the way. Tried the porta power with an extension off the far frame rail and bent the ram … didn’t budge the wheels 😂
@@TwinStix I've bent a few portapower rams, even just spreading loose/unbolted frame rails to replace the cross supports. But PA quality only goes so far, the rest is driving time to replace the warranty tool.
Takes a big, determined man to restore a big, stubborn rig! Some truths are forever…
Those 'Daytons' are called 'Trilex' wheels here in the UK (and in Europe) and are an absolute PAIN. Imagine doing all that sh*t on the side of the road?
As always what was thought of as a great idea of fewer lugnuts turned into a nightmare after 3 weeks on salty roads. Nut came off OK but wheels? NAHH 😂
The Italians loved them and you could always tell an Italian truck as you could see the wheels wobbling out of true when you followed them.
Still say lifting the cab off will make your life a whole lot easier inside the workshop Mark ...
thank you for allowing me to understand this type of torsion bar suspension, I had not found information about them on the net, could you one day make an explanatory video of this suspension? its advantages and shortcomings at that time? thank you so much
I know the feeling, I struggled with getting my daytons off a few days ago. You'll be shocked when you hear how easy they are. I learned that you can hit the top web with a hammer, and the wheel will pop right off. One hammer blow on the top web and that rim will pop right off. I read this on an internet message board after struggling like you did, trying to get them off. I was thinking of changing my dayton hubs, until I found out how expensive the parts were.
When you say the top web where do you mean I'm from Australia and we use different terms for some things. I drive trucks with these tyre set ups and a few times it was a cnt getting them off so any knowledge to make it easier i like to know.
Important safety tip..... loosen wheel nuts right out but still on by a few threads then smack the cleats or wedges as you call them with a hammer till they pop loose, then remove. Unless you keen on maiming yourself or having a cleat lodged in your head. I think a few of us truckers were a little nervous watching that lol.
Thanks and I’m aware … hence the PSA text I added to the video 👀
@@TwinStix agh ok, sorry missed that, I paused and commented just before you added the text, it freaked me a little i feel a bit silly now lol. Your doing a great job, very envious of your beautiful fleet of trucks. Keep up the great work👍