I think you're being generous when you say that MMOByte had a misunderstanding about the 'wooing' thing. I think he understands perfectly well, he just likes to create click-bait. Thank you for a perspective with more.... perspective! 💜
I think if that guy's really never heard of the word "woo", he does need to get off his computer and read a book instead of gaming or youtubing all the time MUCH more often ... And with "book", I mean something pre 1900.
So glad you addressed some of these. Especially the supposed server cap of 25. Most MMO fans should know that even the most massive of mmos use instances to prevent bottlenecking.
Seriously. Only MMO I've played that doesn't use instances/phasing is Albion Online.... and being in a town overrun with 80+ players isn't as great as some people are making it out to be.
I love the Swahili words in the game. When i signed up on the website i put my country to Kenya then i read their newsletter and im seeing "hodari", "kilima", "kenyatta", "bahari". I was like. "Wow! The personalisation is too deep in this one." Then i found out it's like that for everyone. 🤦♂️ I'm happy regardless.. can't wait. This will fix my enstranged relationship with the sims genre.
I wish there was romance gameplay we could have with other players, like stardew sort of has. Would be cute playing with your partner and being able to
THANK YOU!!! The levels of undeserved rage I have seen on various videos have been so frustrating! I hope more creators follow your example and let people know that not all MMOs are created equally. There is still hope for gamers to find a place that is inherently different than what we've been given so far! ❤
I am really hoping we see some outfits tied to character skill progression, like unlocking an outfit that is a nod to Pokemon's bug catcher for achieving a high rank with bug catching or an outfit reminiscent of the outfit worn by Robinhood and his merry men in Robinhood: Men in Tights once you achieve a high rank with hunting. A lot of fun pop culture potential.
They already have an herbalist outfit, a sneak ranger type outfit, a hunter outfit, an adventurer outfit with a big backpack & bedroll .. And, an apocathery outfit .. All on the shop of course.. I like your idea for achievements opening them too !
on the quest find a shepp it says find an adult villager to be your shepp and since kennyatta is one of the options u can choose proves shes not underage
As a big MMO genre fan I like Palia, ngl was a bit disappointed with how non-MMO it is but ended up enjoying the game. Although what sucks about Palia is that you cant really play with your friends... sure you can mine rocks, chop trees and cook. But houses? Separate. Your friends with "editor" perms cant even work on your crafting stations or anything. So the biggest part of this game is SOLO. You really cant do that much with your friends or partner. Which is the most disappointing thing about this game to me.
Out of all the potential misconceptions about the game, I didn't expect to see etymology in the list. Then again, it makes about as much sense as the other issues. Great video
Right? I can see it if the person played the sims and maybe English isn't their first language. But a native english who would confuse the 2 is just silly.
I agree with this, mainly because the resources are shared. So imagine needing some ore but no node is available because of the size of the server. Less is more.
as someone who loves animal crossing, i'm really looking forward to this game, i'm just curious if you can also play by yourself without being in a server with other people and how that would work. i'm not really interested with being bothered mid activity by other people
@@Mattorzo83 then i really hope they have a "do not disturb" option that shows beside the name. I dislike when others come running up to try and talk to me, or "help" me do something when i just want to be left alone. In past experiences, such as back with the animal crossing new leaf open islands, I would have people come to the island that I was on, and then just run around like chickens with their heads off and constantly ask for bells or something when they see that I've played the game. Then get angry at me when I don't want to interact with them. Kinda turned me off from multi-player games
While I think this game is so gamer friendly I'm a bit worried that such a generous free to play model will make the game unsustainable eventually. So I'm going to buy some premium content just because I want to see this game do well!
I agree and would buy if I had the money for the same reason. I think that's why the shop is so expensive- I think S6 is very aware of how expensive the upkeep for Palia will be and they aren't sure how many players would buy things so they're priced high. I hope they find a better balance in the future. I think more people would buy if the shop wasn't expensive - I know I can't justify $20~ on a game outfit when I just spent only slightly more on one real life pair of jeans the other week, but maybe that amount on coins that I can buy several things with I could do on occasion. But I can see why the prices are high rn. I know they're very receptive to players feedback just from being an Alpha tester for a few months before Beta so I'm fairly optimistic they will - and I'm not typically any amount of optimistic with games these days!
Thanks this is really helpful & clarified some of the things I was concerned about. We used to play lotronline so familiar with instances. Congratulations on finding your partner on the game.
The only thing I don't like about this game is it feels very solo, rather than MMO. Everyone's homes are in private instances. So you can't see how differently everyone decides to design their houses and plots. With most zones being capped at 25 people, they could have easily added neighborhoods to zones where your lot gets transferred to whatever server you are currently on, or something along those lines. At least make a instanced neighborhood with 25 lots. Currently, you can only visit friends' and guild members' lots, and only when they are online, and I think you need their permission. The chat system is kinda weird too. Like you have to stop playing the game and pull it up in order to view chat. So it's not like a lot of mmo's where you see people chatting as you play the game. And there's no "area" chat, so you can't just strike up a conversation with someone that you're leveling alongside. You can only whisper them (which they probably won't see) or talk in server chat (again, they probably won't see). I hope they work these things out to make it feel more community oriented, because right now it just feels like My Time at Portia/Sandrock with other players running around.
Lol. What? English isn't my first language, and I know "woo" or "wooing" is basically just courtship. Some people just tries to throw spaghetti at walls and see whichever sticks or are simply stupid. 😂
Sounds like to me that the studio could really use a good copy editor. Lots of concerns here that could have been addressed through a thorough copy edit before things were said publicly.
It's the double edge sword of trying to be transparent about the development process. I agree that there's a number of areas where they could have explained things better.
@@DadJokeCinema 100% agree. And when the studio is relatively new, even with a seasoned team, you’re bound to miss things because not all of the processes are in place to help work through these before going public. ie…we’re all human, studios included, good to give some new blood a bit of leeway so that we can bring more quality fun games to the market.
1. I didn't see much about pay to win, I did see talk around the micro-transactions being high priced, and then in beta we saw it was true... The prices are way too high. 2. I did hear a lot of questions about this, but still to this day people are asking... 3. 25 isn't massive, but I always see people and I feel more than 25 would be too many, especially when hunting, mining and bug catching. 4. Teen could be 18/19 and she seems early twenties. 5. Sims style :D hahaha
Seems like the instancing is gonna be like what occurs in Forza Horizon 5 where other players will randomly drive through your game world so long as you are connected to Horizon life.
While *technically* it's very different, it does *feel* the same to me. I used to always think of it like the 2020 MS Flight Simulator, where it was a similar thing. I was playing (usually by myself) in a big world and sometimes I'd see someone else fly by.
I deleted the game from my system over frustration that came from the mini games in several areas of play. Fishing, chopping veggies and so forth. Arthritic hands keep me from enjoying mini games, so I don't play games that stick you with them.
I'm just kind of concerned with what activities I can do with other players. rRght now it seems like the only group activity is cutting down magic trees. Do they plan on expanding on this?
I think the sharding or instancing issue is actually hilarious. Because I also play Diablo 4, which also uses instancing and in any small zone you're instanced with up to 12 people. And in that community, you can find people who are really upset that you might run into another player at all and you can't play it "solo." Meanwhile, I see people in the Palia community upset about there only being 25 people. 😂 I also play WoW and I play GW2, and FFXIV, and ESO and LotRO, and having a cap on how many people in a zone is a good thing. Otherwise getting anything done is impossible due to lag, and lack of resources. As for the "P2W" issue. It doesn't matter that they are only going to sell cosmetic clothes. It doesn't matter if they are super clear about their intentions. The community will still get angry at the "greedy" dev team for locking anything at all behind a paywall. Let's take Disney Dreamlight Valley for example. From the very beginning, they were incredibly clear that there was going to be a "battle pass" that is paid with real money through their currency - Moonstones. They were very clear from the beginning there was going to be a cash shop to sell cosmetics. And they were very clear that at some point there would be paid additional quests and expansions. The paid founders packs came with Moonstones to start people off on the battle pass. And ever since then, people had no idea Moonstones were the real money currency, got mad when they started selling them, got mad that there are cosmetics you have to buy with money. "But I'm a 100% completionist and must own 100% of all the things, and I can't complete it if I have to pay money and they are so greedy!" I bought the 20,000 moonstone pack at the beginning in September 2022, and with those I have paid for the more expensive battle pass every time, and I've even bought the castle house cosmetic with them which is the more expensive one, and I only play 2-3 weeks out of every 3 months period, and as of yesterday I have 20,600 moonstones without buying more. So... uhm... expect the discourse on the cash shop to get much worse, is what I'm saying. Also, I want to support this game, so I understand why teams do things like a battle pass, paid cosmetics, and even paid quests or expansions from time to time. Because if they don't make money somehow, the game will fail. (Also PS, I'm super jealous because I signed up for Palia alpha when it was announced, waited all that time, and then finally got picked for the July test and it was the first time I had gone out of town on vacation in 20 years so I never got to participate. 😭) Thanks for the video!
On first Paragraph: Previous Diablo games were mostly singleplayer with optinal multiplayer IF you invite the others into your party up to 4 players, so yeah, some might dislike that they have no say in others joining their world anymore. to add to that having always online without offline mode is something not every one likes either (especially with the performance issues that come with that online connectivity in some regions) I took part in player organized events in several other MMOs that had way more than 25 Players part taking in one instance so yeah i can see the limitations but as far as i understood it the 25 players is not a hard coded thing and different zones might have different limits so one might be able to get a higher player count in a zone for such events if you cooperate with the devs in the Events organisation. On the 2nd note i just want to mention "Path of Exile" a ARPG like Diablo just on a Free to Play model with quite expensive cosmetics (and the basic skins look pretty shaby, even more so compared to the paid ones) , stashspace (affects gameplay) and for quite a while also cosmetics from lootboxes in their store and the majorty of its playerbase seem hard on to defend that ingame store and telling everybody that you do not need to buy anything to play but should support such a great game which is what the store is for. So yeah, while there will always be some complainers, there are many who are okey with it in a f2p game as long as it's not pay to win and the game outside of the shop is good enough.
@@TheAzureGhost Sure, I’ve played Diablo 3 and 4, I was just pointing out how funny it is that one community is against seeing other players while the other is disappointed at not seeing enough players. Also I know POE players defend it to the death. But in the “cozy” community it seems there is a much bigger push for “everything should be free, and if it’s not, then it’s greed.” Not only that, free but with continuous large updates. I’ve even discussed with someone else how companies need to stop aiming at growth completely and just aim to make enough to keep the doors open, like a non-profit organization. While I do agree there are cosmetic stores that go way too far, there needs to be a balance so a company can grow and compensate it’s people, but also not be too predatory.
I was getting lots of lag in Palia, even fell through the world because it took forever and a minute to load things in. I may not have a top of the line PC but there are tons of more graphically intensive games I play that ran far smoother than Palia did. Im hoping its because its Beta and they havent ironed all the kinks out yet.
I mean, in a game where the aesthetic of your character and home is the real main goal, cash shop only items for those things is effective P2W. I’d rather pay $60 for a game with no MTX. Developers make games to get paid. If they aren’t charging for their game, it’s because they’re sure they can make an equivalent of $30-70 per player, accounting for whales. Combat focused games can at least claim the main focus of the game isn’t affected by MTX. Not sure this one can.
As a GW2 player interested in Palia I appreciate the GW2 references in this video. I imagine Palia being like the pcifist child of GW2 (for the MMO aspects) and Stardew Valley (major gameplay), with some own characteristics added. Regarding the "p2w": This term is used to often and it seems like everybody has an own definition. Sometimes it also looks like someoneis twisting the definition so it works for the game they are attacking. This is especially true when the game doesn't really have a "winning" state. Monetization models have evolved, there is pay for cosmetics, pay for convenience, there are battle passes, optional subscription and sometimes some of the stuff combined. And some of these systems had iterations that looked worse than p2w.
@@DadJokeCinema Agreed. But this also means that even a purely cosmetic shop that purely consists of time limited loot boxes can feel bad. But I don't think Palia would go that route.
people focus too much on the "Win" part to create strawmen. its not about winning in the literal sense, but its a clear indication of where the games focus will be in the future. do the costumes and cosmetics in the cash shop look leaps and bounds better than what you can earn in game? just means you will be getting more nice looking paid cosmetics and shitty potato bag crap in game, because they care more about monetizing you like a fashion whale than giving you a fun game to play with nice cosmetics. thus the game is "pay to win". if the cosmetics are balanced, and you get really nice cosmetics in game and in the shop, then everything is copacetic.
The first thing i thought when i heard Free to Play is its gonna be a playground for Bots. What is preventing that from happening? Is there any trading or economy of the game? Or is it more of a single player progression in a multiplayer setting?
from reading their faq site, there's going to be put limits on trading, so a bot wouldn't really be worth that much, depending on how they make the limitations, and there's not really anything to speed grind for, since there's no end goal. also from what I understand then alot of crafting is timegated (not nec. a bad thing), so even if you have an unlimited amount of resources from bots, you wouldn't nec. be further ahead from some just taking their time gathering.
Do we know what platform is palia going to be on? Like steam or epic games or is it gonna have its own seperate launcher? I would love if its on steam because of the achievements hehe
I think it's a pitiful way to defend them claiming the game is an MMO tbh. It's a life sim game with very basic social features. MMO's are generally characterized by the social features being the main point of the game even with instancing. Which in this game, they very obviously aren't. The games that actually skirt the line are old MO games like PSO1. People need to step defending the decision to call this an MMO. It's ruining the games reputation. Just being honest and calling it multiplayer Stardew Valley will bring in a player base much more suited for this style of game. There is a reason the Diablo 4 player base desperately tries to avoid calling it an MMO even though it's essentially doing the same things. Since it's bad for perception on what the game is actually like
With any mmo dev using unreal engine you can expect at best 50 players per world instance and Palia runs on UE4. So the 25 limit is due the engine. Its a number where its still in the safe zone. It's not an issue here though since you aren't trying to have huge pvp battles or big open world raid bosses. Would only make it worse if you had 100 players/ instance as it would lead to overfarming the available resources. Then they would have to extend the map 4x to keep player density low enough to not cause frustration.
I'm here to clear up one of the biggest misconceptions about palia that it's alive and doing well because no it's not It's actually dead in doing bad hardly anybody's ever playing it when I get on and try to play Another misconception is that it's fun and it's not it's boring All you do is the same stupid thing over and over again Go here and talk to this person Go there and talk to that person All you freaking do is talk talk to people it's lame and it's stupid
Not an MMO more like MO. A better way to say it is "Multiplayer Online with up to 25 players per instance with matchmaking that prioritizes friends and nearby players". The MMO community knows this difference and they look for it. Misleading is never a good idea. Hunting Creatures is PVE by the way.
It's not misleading to call it an MMO - it's that some people take this literally in a frankly very 2004 sense of the term. All the major games use instancing/sharding to create better performance for players. The thousands of players are there, but they're across shards/instances.
I think it's ok that they have shop cosmetics BUT, they DO need to add some form of cosmetic OUTSIDE the paying method. Obviously they can and should make the paid cosmetics "better, fancier, and flashier", but they definetly need to add some crafted cosmetics, specially taking into consideration that we have LEATHER AND FABRIC. It's a no brainer for me the need to add these kind of crafted cosmetics in these type of games.
I completely understand that and I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling burnt by the predatory practices the game industry has used (and continues to use).
I have a hypothetical question, can you play offline so you can avoid playing with other people? Or the game won't work unless you're online? I'm just asking what if there are people who doesn't want to play with others, or what if they travel some place where there's no internet..
Unfortunately no - the whole idea of the game is to take the cozy single player experiences like Stardew and make them multiplayer. It won't work offline, but you don't *have* to interact with anyone. You are able to do everything alone, you'll just see other people running around in the world from time to time. They can't come to your lot without being friends with you, and you can even make it so your friends can't go to a lot either, so you can effectively play single-player with other people sometimes around, but you have to be online because it's an online game. Hope that clears it up!
I have never played one of these games before. I am 60 years old, not very computer literate but love games. I play Harvest Moon and Rune Factory on the wii and various games including Sims, Wylde Flowers, Raft and Don't Starve on pc. I don't really understand how these games work but loved the bits of gameplay I'd seen enough to be interested in obtaining it. However, I don't want to play with other people (anti-social I know!) so could someone please explain to me if it will be possible for me to play alone and if I will have to contend with others trying to be sociable? xxx
Hello and welcome! I'm so glad you're here. Unfortunately there is no way to play this offline or completely separate from other people - it's an online game only. It's completely possible to not interact with people, and they can't come to your housing plot unless you're friends. You'll see people running around doing things in the world, but there's not much in the way of interaction with them. You can go on your way doing your own thing.
What is relly holding me back is i dont know if there is any adventure PVE like dungeons or some monsters? Whats the point if there is no excitement is this just a peacefull life simulator?
I can help you with that! There is no PVE content outside of some simple hunting mechanics with a bow and the animals don't attack you. There's no character death, no competitive stuff, it's just a game to build a house and explore and work through the narrative. There's like some jumping puzzles and things to discover that aren't easy to get to, but the main focus is like the non-combat portions of Stardew Valley or Coral Island.
@@DadJokeCinema I see not for me as I like being an explorer and fighter in open world games plus my friends will also be bummed off when I tell em that otherwise looks cool
Like almost all MMOs, you'll be around random people. There's no private servers or even server selection. My understanding is that not anyone can visit your home plot though, they have to be given permission, so you can hang out alone there.
Also by the way it's pretty obvious people are not as smart as People used to be y'all can literally be tricked into buying anything and thinking it's good This is not a game It's literally just a talking text simulator You're literally just going around talking to characters that's basically all you do This is not a game I would not call this a game at all
I'm sorry, but whoever said "Buying clothes from a cash shop is winning a life sim" has bigger issues to deal with besides optional clothing in video games...
Paid outfits are to be expected. I just wish they didn't clash with the style of the game. Dryad mage costumes & lolita dresses in this setting would be like car mounts in WoW.
I really woul'nt call 2 zones plus your home zone a mmo. They really need alot more zones in the future, becouse the 2 zones are gona get old really quickly.
This is gonna run as good as dreamlight valley on switch. Looks identical also...so ill give it a try but my expectations for it on switch are about 1 out of 10 lol.
I suppose there won't be any solo play or off-line options? It doesn't seem like it, but I was hoping I might have missed something. I've got to say I've been following Palia for a year and was super excited about it, right up until I read the game's terms. The number of times it mentioned banning, suing, or otherwise negatively impacting players made it seem like players were under constant surveillance and instantly raised warning flags. I'm still very excited about it, just concerned now.
Lol! I had no idea this game was getting so much flak just from simple misunderstandings. But aye, there are some things about this that obviously got misinterpreted. Still love the game though
"Many of the older adults are married, have kids and jobs and are less worried about romance". I already see some middle-age career woman crying in a corner after these words xD
I feel like the team is not clear enough with their information about the game. They are not clear about the prices in the shop as far as I know. Not clear about the size of the world.. and how many players can be in it. The world looks pretty small, and empty. The difference between the first trailers and the last ones is big. In the first one the world looks very lively last ones.. not. What can you do in big groups..? What makes this an MMO that people want to keep playing. Can you see each others or your own house in the world or do you teleport? Are there animals to take care of.. So many questions unanswered.
I would have enjoyed the game more if it wasnt linked to servers. Almost everything in the game including this could still happen just the same if the game wasn't linked to servers. Really hit themselves in the foot
I think you're being generous when you say that MMOByte had a misunderstanding about the 'wooing' thing. I think he understands perfectly well, he just likes to create click-bait.
Thank you for a perspective with more.... perspective!
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I love Stix but he does love to click bait
@@payelizabethh2131 I honestly dont think Stix knows as much about gaming or MMOs as he thinks he does.
I think if that guy's really never heard of the word "woo", he does need to get off his computer and read a book instead of gaming or youtubing all the time MUCH more often ... And with "book", I mean something pre 1900.
So glad you addressed some of these. Especially the supposed server cap of 25. Most MMO fans should know that even the most massive of mmos use instances to prevent bottlenecking.
Seriously. Only MMO I've played that doesn't use instances/phasing is Albion Online.... and being in a town overrun with 80+ players isn't as great as some people are making it out to be.
25 sounds good haha I dont want that much player on the server Im on haha
Yeah, I'm too much of an introvert in games!
Even wow servers always started to die once there was more than 100 players in the same instance
@haveanotherpinacolada Everquest came before instancing, and when they implemented it there was still lag issues. Not exactly the best example.
I love the Swahili words in the game. When i signed up on the website i put my country to Kenya then i read their newsletter and im seeing "hodari", "kilima", "kenyatta", "bahari". I was like. "Wow! The personalisation is too deep in this one." Then i found out it's like that for everyone. 🤦♂️
I'm happy regardless.. can't wait.
This will fix my enstranged relationship with the sims genre.
Same about the SIMS 😂
I didn't realize they were Swahili, now I gotta look them up! That's really cool~
@@sourgreendolly7685same 😂
I wish there was romance gameplay we could have with other players, like stardew sort of has. Would be cute playing with your partner and being able to
They've talked about wanting to have player romances in the future.
Yea sure if you spend 50 dollars you will be able to give 5 kisses 😂 I'm turning on animal crossing this game is wack, will be dead on arrival
THANK YOU!!! The levels of undeserved rage I have seen on various videos have been so frustrating! I hope more creators follow your example and let people know that not all MMOs are created equally. There is still hope for gamers to find a place that is inherently different than what we've been given so far! ❤
not an mmo. just an online sims game.
I am soooo happy that finally someone cleared up all of the misinformations circling about Palia.
You dear sir, are a hero to me!
I am really hoping we see some outfits tied to character skill progression, like unlocking an outfit that is a nod to Pokemon's bug catcher for achieving a high rank with bug catching or an outfit reminiscent of the outfit worn by Robinhood and his merry men in Robinhood: Men in Tights once you achieve a high rank with hunting. A lot of fun pop culture potential.
This is a really cool idea!
Oh yea, like capes in RuneScape. That would be cool.
They already have an herbalist outfit, a sneak ranger type outfit, a hunter outfit, an adventurer outfit with a big backpack & bedroll .. And, an apocathery outfit .. All on the shop of course.. I like your idea for achievements opening them too !
I haven't heard any misconceptions for Palia but even now I feel so excited to get it even after the video
on the quest find a shepp it says find an adult villager to be your shepp and since kennyatta is one of the options u can choose proves shes not underage
As a big MMO genre fan I like Palia, ngl was a bit disappointed with how non-MMO it is but ended up enjoying the game. Although what sucks about Palia is that you cant really play with your friends... sure you can mine rocks, chop trees and cook. But houses? Separate. Your friends with "editor" perms cant even work on your crafting stations or anything. So the biggest part of this game is SOLO. You really cant do that much with your friends or partner. Which is the most disappointing thing about this game to me.
The Antarctic research station bit was hilarious XD
The video is really well done. 👍
Out of all the potential misconceptions about the game, I didn't expect to see etymology in the list. Then again, it makes about as much sense as the other issues.
Great video
Right? I can see it if the person played the sims and maybe English isn't their first language. But a native english who would confuse the 2 is just silly.
The biggest misconception is that it is fun.
In such casual game, 25 seems good enough. Too many players might ruin the experience
I usually play single player games anyways so too many people is a lot for me.
@@DadJokeCinema aye you want the semi social cozy feel of a village.
And not the noisy invading or cold annonymous feel of a big city
@@dreamforger7166EXACTLY. And so many cozy gamers are like this, it just makes sense to have small instances in a cozy MMO.
@@DadJokeCinemaWhen I logged in I was the first one and surprised how others didn’t came till some minutes ☠️☠️
I agree with this, mainly because the resources are shared. So imagine needing some ore but no node is available because of the size of the server. Less is more.
I want this game to succeed so bad.
You owe them 20 bucks just for saying that 😂 game is DOA
I am baffled. how could they take "wooing" as having intercourse?? what even?
I guess because that's what "wohooing" in the sims means
Having seen you on the Discord since day 1 essentially, man did I forget how good your voice is! Also, fantastic video
*preens and adjusts my bow*
as someone who loves animal crossing, i'm really looking forward to this game, i'm just curious if you can also play by yourself without being in a server with other people and how that would work. i'm not really interested with being bothered mid activity by other people
You can ignore other players and do everything on your own.
@@Mattorzo83 then i really hope they have a "do not disturb" option that shows beside the name. I dislike when others come running up to try and talk to me, or "help" me do something when i just want to be left alone. In past experiences, such as back with the animal crossing new leaf open islands, I would have people come to the island that I was on, and then just run around like chickens with their heads off and constantly ask for bells or something when they see that I've played the game. Then get angry at me when I don't want to interact with them. Kinda turned me off from multi-player games
I think it's going to be hard to avoid other people in this game when you're not in your housing lot, but I think the community is pretty good.
Then maybe MMO (massive multiplayer) isn't the choice for you?
Of course not it's an mmo.
Well put together video, I almost feel like this is a documentary. Good job and thank you for the well laid out information.
Great video. I'm glad someone adressed that Misconceptions.- Perin
While I think this game is so gamer friendly I'm a bit worried that such a generous free to play model will make the game unsustainable eventually. So I'm going to buy some premium content just because I want to see this game do well!
I agree and would buy if I had the money for the same reason. I think that's why the shop is so expensive- I think S6 is very aware of how expensive the upkeep for Palia will be and they aren't sure how many players would buy things so they're priced high.
I hope they find a better balance in the future. I think more people would buy if the shop wasn't expensive - I know I can't justify $20~ on a game outfit when I just spent only slightly more on one real life pair of jeans the other week, but maybe that amount on coins that I can buy several things with I could do on occasion. But I can see why the prices are high rn.
I know they're very receptive to players feedback just from being an Alpha tester for a few months before Beta so I'm fairly optimistic they will - and I'm not typically any amount of optimistic with games these days!
Thanks this is really helpful & clarified some of the things I was concerned about.
We used to play lotronline so familiar with instances.
Congratulations on finding your partner on the game.
Thank you! It was not what I expected from joining a game community!
Lately I've felt like every romance candidate in sims are getting younger and younger, but then I realized I'm in my 30s and I'm the one changing 😅
The only thing I don't like about this game is it feels very solo, rather than MMO.
Everyone's homes are in private instances. So you can't see how differently everyone decides to design their houses and plots. With most zones being capped at 25 people, they could have easily added neighborhoods to zones where your lot gets transferred to whatever server you are currently on, or something along those lines. At least make a instanced neighborhood with 25 lots. Currently, you can only visit friends' and guild members' lots, and only when they are online, and I think you need their permission.
The chat system is kinda weird too. Like you have to stop playing the game and pull it up in order to view chat. So it's not like a lot of mmo's where you see people chatting as you play the game. And there's no "area" chat, so you can't just strike up a conversation with someone that you're leveling alongside. You can only whisper them (which they probably won't see) or talk in server chat (again, they probably won't see).
I hope they work these things out to make it feel more community oriented, because right now it just feels like My Time at Portia/Sandrock with other players running around.
Thank you for this vid. It's been fun to play so far.
Lol. What? English isn't my first language, and I know "woo" or "wooing" is basically just courtship. Some people just tries to throw spaghetti at walls and see whichever sticks or are simply stupid. 😂
Looking forward to creating a virtual/cyber home to kick back in. Tired of saving so many worlds.
Right? Time to retire and leave the world saving to the kids.
This was such a fun watch, and expertly crafted! ❤
I heard people say that this is a very shallow game. I hope it will be good at the end.
Sounds like to me that the studio could really use a good copy editor. Lots of concerns here that could have been addressed through a thorough copy edit before things were said publicly.
It's the double edge sword of trying to be transparent about the development process. I agree that there's a number of areas where they could have explained things better.
@@DadJokeCinema 100% agree. And when the studio is relatively new, even with a seasoned team, you’re bound to miss things because not all of the processes are in place to help work through these before going public. ie…we’re all human, studios included, good to give some new blood a bit of leeway so that we can bring more quality fun games to the market.
Dang, even found you a special someone through Palia and it's not even fully going yet lol
I've been hanging around the discord for two years, so it's been enough time.
1. I didn't see much about pay to win, I did see talk around the micro-transactions being high priced, and then in beta we saw it was true... The prices are way too high.
2. I did hear a lot of questions about this, but still to this day people are asking...
3. 25 isn't massive, but I always see people and I feel more than 25 would be too many, especially when hunting, mining and bug catching.
4. Teen could be 18/19 and she seems early twenties.
5. Sims style :D hahaha
Seems like the instancing is gonna be like what occurs in Forza Horizon 5 where other players will randomly drive through your game world so long as you are connected to Horizon life.
While *technically* it's very different, it does *feel* the same to me. I used to always think of it like the 2020 MS Flight Simulator, where it was a similar thing. I was playing (usually by myself) in a big world and sometimes I'd see someone else fly by.
I deleted the game from my system over frustration that came from the mini games in several areas of play. Fishing, chopping veggies and so forth. Arthritic hands keep me from enjoying mini games, so I don't play games that stick you with them.
I'm just kind of concerned with what activities I can do with other players. rRght now it seems like the only group activity is cutting down magic trees. Do they plan on expanding on this?
You can mine with other people and share resources, and cooking was the big one.
the antarctic research station joke made me cackle xD
Excellent informative video, thanks !!
There's always that one person asking or thinking about that ONE thing in video games.
I think the sharding or instancing issue is actually hilarious. Because I also play Diablo 4, which also uses instancing and in any small zone you're instanced with up to 12 people. And in that community, you can find people who are really upset that you might run into another player at all and you can't play it "solo." Meanwhile, I see people in the Palia community upset about there only being 25 people. 😂 I also play WoW and I play GW2, and FFXIV, and ESO and LotRO, and having a cap on how many people in a zone is a good thing. Otherwise getting anything done is impossible due to lag, and lack of resources.
As for the "P2W" issue. It doesn't matter that they are only going to sell cosmetic clothes. It doesn't matter if they are super clear about their intentions. The community will still get angry at the "greedy" dev team for locking anything at all behind a paywall. Let's take Disney Dreamlight Valley for example. From the very beginning, they were incredibly clear that there was going to be a "battle pass" that is paid with real money through their currency - Moonstones. They were very clear from the beginning there was going to be a cash shop to sell cosmetics. And they were very clear that at some point there would be paid additional quests and expansions. The paid founders packs came with Moonstones to start people off on the battle pass. And ever since then, people had no idea Moonstones were the real money currency, got mad when they started selling them, got mad that there are cosmetics you have to buy with money. "But I'm a 100% completionist and must own 100% of all the things, and I can't complete it if I have to pay money and they are so greedy!" I bought the 20,000 moonstone pack at the beginning in September 2022, and with those I have paid for the more expensive battle pass every time, and I've even bought the castle house cosmetic with them which is the more expensive one, and I only play 2-3 weeks out of every 3 months period, and as of yesterday I have 20,600 moonstones without buying more.
So... uhm... expect the discourse on the cash shop to get much worse, is what I'm saying.
Also, I want to support this game, so I understand why teams do things like a battle pass, paid cosmetics, and even paid quests or expansions from time to time. Because if they don't make money somehow, the game will fail. (Also PS, I'm super jealous because I signed up for Palia alpha when it was announced, waited all that time, and then finally got picked for the July test and it was the first time I had gone out of town on vacation in 20 years so I never got to participate. 😭) Thanks for the video!
It's marketed as an MMO which, you know, means that that's what it's supposed to be...
On first Paragraph: Previous Diablo games were mostly singleplayer with optinal multiplayer IF you invite the others into your party up to 4 players, so yeah, some might dislike that they have no say in others joining their world anymore. to add to that having always online without offline mode is something not every one likes either (especially with the performance issues that come with that online connectivity in some regions)
I took part in player organized events in several other MMOs that had way more than 25 Players part taking in one instance so yeah i can see the limitations but as far as i understood it the 25 players is not a hard coded thing and different zones might have different limits so one might be able to get a higher player count in a zone for such events if you cooperate with the devs in the Events organisation.
On the 2nd note i just want to mention "Path of Exile" a ARPG like Diablo just on a Free to Play model with quite expensive cosmetics (and the basic skins look pretty shaby, even more so compared to the paid ones) , stashspace (affects gameplay) and for quite a while also cosmetics from lootboxes in their store and the majorty of its playerbase seem hard on to defend that ingame store and telling everybody that you do not need to buy anything to play but should support such a great game which is what the store is for.
So yeah, while there will always be some complainers, there are many who are okey with it in a f2p game as long as it's not pay to win and the game outside of the shop is good enough.
@@TheAzureGhost Sure, I’ve played Diablo 3 and 4, I was just pointing out how funny it is that one community is against seeing other players while the other is disappointed at not seeing enough players.
Also I know POE players defend it to the death. But in the “cozy” community it seems there is a much bigger push for “everything should be free, and if it’s not, then it’s greed.” Not only that, free but with continuous large updates. I’ve even discussed with someone else how companies need to stop aiming at growth completely and just aim to make enough to keep the doors open, like a non-profit organization. While I do agree there are cosmetic stores that go way too far, there needs to be a balance so a company can grow and compensate it’s people, but also not be too predatory.
I was getting lots of lag in Palia, even fell through the world because it took forever and a minute to load things in. I may not have a top of the line PC but there are tons of more graphically intensive games I play that ran far smoother than Palia did. Im hoping its because its Beta and they havent ironed all the kinks out yet.
So Excited for this game!
Thank you for the Information! Great Video!
Thanks, great video. So looking forward to playing, been in the discord for awhile and never been pick to play early.
I mean, in a game where the aesthetic of your character and home is the real main goal, cash shop only items for those things is effective P2W. I’d rather pay $60 for a game with no MTX.
Developers make games to get paid. If they aren’t charging for their game, it’s because they’re sure they can make an equivalent of $30-70 per player, accounting for whales. Combat focused games can at least claim the main focus of the game isn’t affected by MTX. Not sure this one can.
So excited to see what the game is like since alpha 2!
As a GW2 player interested in Palia I appreciate the GW2 references in this video. I imagine Palia being like the pcifist child of GW2 (for the MMO aspects) and Stardew Valley (major gameplay), with some own characteristics added.
Regarding the "p2w": This term is used to often and it seems like everybody has an own definition. Sometimes it also looks like someoneis twisting the definition so it works for the game they are attacking. This is especially true when the game doesn't really have a "winning" state. Monetization models have evolved, there is pay for cosmetics, pay for convenience, there are battle passes, optional subscription and sometimes some of the stuff combined. And some of these systems had iterations that looked worse than p2w.
I'd consider loot boxes, gambling mechanics, and FOMO to be worse than "winning the fashion game" through paid cosmetics.
@@DadJokeCinema Agreed. But this also means that even a purely cosmetic shop that purely consists of time limited loot boxes can feel bad. But I don't think Palia would go that route.
people focus too much on the "Win" part to create strawmen. its not about winning in the literal sense, but its a clear indication of where the games focus will be in the future. do the costumes and cosmetics in the cash shop look leaps and bounds better than what you can earn in game? just means you will be getting more nice looking paid cosmetics and shitty potato bag crap in game, because they care more about monetizing you like a fashion whale than giving you a fun game to play with nice cosmetics. thus the game is "pay to win". if the cosmetics are balanced, and you get really nice cosmetics in game and in the shop, then everything is copacetic.
The first thing i thought when i heard Free to Play is its gonna be a playground for Bots. What is preventing that from happening? Is there any trading or economy of the game? Or is it more of a single player progression in a multiplayer setting?
from reading their faq site, there's going to be put limits on trading, so a bot wouldn't really be worth that much, depending on how they make the limitations, and there's not really anything to speed grind for, since there's no end goal.
also from what I understand then alot of crafting is timegated (not nec. a bad thing), so even if you have an unlimited amount of resources from bots, you wouldn't nec. be further ahead from some just taking their time gathering.
Super informative, great video!
Absolutely can't wait to get in game with you!
There is heavy innuendo when it comes to wooing in the game, quite spicy.
Do we know what platform is palia going to be on? Like steam or epic games or is it gonna have its own seperate launcher? I would love if its on steam because of the achievements hehe
Just their own website for now an ld Switch later this year. No announcements about other platforms.
I interviewed the developers. The servers are confirmed at 25 per world instance. That's my source.
Man, what a fail on MMObyte's part. Just another reason on why I don't like following that guy.
'Where did this rumor start that I spend four minutes validating in this video'
I need to understand how building works -- if you move instances do your buildings move?
You build in your own housing lots, so those buildings are always there. Your housing areas are a separate instance than the villages or other zones.
@@DadJokeCinema Thanks so much for the answer - good news that your own lot is instanced.
This game better have over 25 people because i played today, tried to actually talk to people and nobody said a word. My chat was empty.
BETA STARTS TOMORROW! LET'S GOOO!!!!!
I think it's a pitiful way to defend them claiming the game is an MMO tbh. It's a life sim game with very basic social features. MMO's are generally characterized by the social features being the main point of the game even with instancing. Which in this game, they very obviously aren't. The games that actually skirt the line are old MO games like PSO1.
People need to step defending the decision to call this an MMO. It's ruining the games reputation. Just being honest and calling it multiplayer Stardew Valley will bring in a player base much more suited for this style of game.
There is a reason the Diablo 4 player base desperately tries to avoid calling it an MMO even though it's essentially doing the same things. Since it's bad for perception on what the game is actually like
Hay nice video, a question though during the cosmetic section at 1:40 there is a beanie at the top right, how do you get that?
I just asked around and nobody seems to know. It's certainly not in the current game.
@DadJokeCinema thanks appreciate the response, might come later I guess.
@@STARSBarryI asked on Discord so maybe someone will answer.
Is there any info about Palia being availible on Geforce Now?
No info on that. Just PC (through their website) and Switch this holiday.
With any mmo dev using unreal engine you can expect at best 50 players per world instance and Palia runs on UE4.
So the 25 limit is due the engine. Its a number where its still in the safe zone. It's not an issue here though since you aren't trying to have huge pvp battles or big open world raid bosses. Would only make it worse if you had 100 players/ instance as it would lead to overfarming the available resources. Then they would have to extend the map 4x to keep player density low enough to not cause frustration.
I'm here to clear up one of the biggest misconceptions about palia that it's alive and doing well because no it's not It's actually dead in doing bad hardly anybody's ever playing it when I get on and try to play Another misconception is that it's fun and it's not it's boring All you do is the same stupid thing over and over again Go here and talk to this person Go there and talk to that person All you freaking do is talk talk to people it's lame and it's stupid
Not an MMO more like MO.
A better way to say it is "Multiplayer Online with up to 25 players per instance with matchmaking that prioritizes friends and nearby players". The MMO community knows this difference and they look for it. Misleading is never a good idea.
Hunting Creatures is PVE by the way.
It's not misleading to call it an MMO - it's that some people take this literally in a frankly very 2004 sense of the term. All the major games use instancing/sharding to create better performance for players. The thousands of players are there, but they're across shards/instances.
I think it's ok that they have shop cosmetics BUT, they DO need to add some form of cosmetic OUTSIDE the paying method. Obviously they can and should make the paid cosmetics "better, fancier, and flashier", but they definetly need to add some crafted cosmetics, specially taking into consideration that we have LEATHER AND FABRIC. It's a no brainer for me the need to add these kind of crafted cosmetics in these type of games.
Do you happen to know if it will have controller support when the Beta launches?
They've said limited support, but with the Switch version, they will have better controller support coming in the future.
No controller support yet, but coming soon
Ah! It's my favorite dad toast!
I love this game! Thanks for this explainer.
The land is to small so there would be no way to allow more than 25 per server. It is not a massive mmo but still good.
Loved this video, can’t wait for the game!
so im going to be on the switch version will they let you play offline, or do you have to be online at all times to play the game?
I don't know how many players can join a server. What I know is that in open beta my highest number in the login-chain was above 10.000
Please just let me romance Hodari 😭😭😭
Do we know if the game will release on GeForce now. I would love to play the game, but my laptop isn't able to play it. :(
No info on that. Just PC (through their website) and Switch this holiday.
I've been burnt by F2P and am never doing that again. I don't mind a subscription based play but in game purchases are a hard pass for me!
I completely understand that and I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling burnt by the predatory practices the game industry has used (and continues to use).
I have a hypothetical question, can you play offline so you can avoid playing with other people? Or the game won't work unless you're online? I'm just asking what if there are people who doesn't want to play with others, or what if they travel some place where there's no internet..
Unfortunately no - the whole idea of the game is to take the cozy single player experiences like Stardew and make them multiplayer. It won't work offline, but you don't *have* to interact with anyone. You are able to do everything alone, you'll just see other people running around in the world from time to time. They can't come to your lot without being friends with you, and you can even make it so your friends can't go to a lot either, so you can effectively play single-player with other people sometimes around, but you have to be online because it's an online game.
Hope that clears it up!
I have never played one of these games before. I am 60 years old, not very computer literate but love games. I play Harvest Moon and Rune Factory on the wii and various games including Sims, Wylde Flowers, Raft and Don't Starve on pc. I don't really understand how these games work but loved the bits of gameplay I'd seen enough to be interested in obtaining it. However, I don't want to play with other people (anti-social I know!) so could someone please explain to me if it will be possible for me to play alone and if I will have to contend with others trying to be sociable? xxx
Hello and welcome! I'm so glad you're here. Unfortunately there is no way to play this offline or completely separate from other people - it's an online game only. It's completely possible to not interact with people, and they can't come to your housing plot unless you're friends. You'll see people running around doing things in the world, but there's not much in the way of interaction with them. You can go on your way doing your own thing.
What is relly holding me back is i dont know if there is any adventure PVE like dungeons or some monsters? Whats the point if there is no excitement is this just a peacefull life simulator?
I can help you with that! There is no PVE content outside of some simple hunting mechanics with a bow and the animals don't attack you. There's no character death, no competitive stuff, it's just a game to build a house and explore and work through the narrative. There's like some jumping puzzles and things to discover that aren't easy to get to, but the main focus is like the non-combat portions of Stardew Valley or Coral Island.
@@DadJokeCinema I see not for me as I like being an explorer and fighter in open world games plus my friends will also be bummed off when I tell em that otherwise looks cool
can i create a private server and just play with my friends? or am i forced to be in a server with random strangers?
Like almost all MMOs, you'll be around random people. There's no private servers or even server selection. My understanding is that not anyone can visit your home plot though, they have to be given permission, so you can hang out alone there.
Great video!! Glad to see these misconceptions hashed out. People can be so ridiculous lol.
Also by the way it's pretty obvious people are not as smart as People used to be y'all can literally be tricked into buying anything and thinking it's good This is not a game It's literally just a talking text simulator You're literally just going around talking to characters that's basically all you do This is not a game I would not call this a game at all
Too many triples in Texas. I'm ready to connect from that Arctic Research Station!
I'm sorry, but whoever said "Buying clothes from a cash shop is winning a life sim" has bigger issues to deal with besides optional clothing in video games...
I need Sifuu to be on the romance list, too. But for now, being a shepp will have to do XD
this is not an MMO. Its Animal crossing with a few people you come across.
I stop playing because focus is bad. It's a struggle. You can't sit and lie down in your furniture you'd made. What's the point.
Thats a bit cute meeting your partner on there haha 🤣 much better than tinder these days
I wasn't even looking, it just happened!
Johnny Durp is THE TAILOR
So interesting, thank you
Paid outfits are to be expected. I just wish they didn't clash with the style of the game. Dryad mage costumes & lolita dresses in this setting would be like car mounts in WoW.
100% sure the women playing this game would want Hodari to be romanced lol. Would be nice to romance other players for fun lmao
but a 25 per instance is great. Im having fun with everyone and there is both not too much of multiplayer and single player.
Keep it coming DadJoke!!!
I really woul'nt call 2 zones plus your home zone a mmo.
They really need alot more zones in the future, becouse the 2 zones are gona get old really quickly.
This is gonna run as good as dreamlight valley on switch. Looks identical also...so ill give it a try but my expectations for it on switch are about 1 out of 10 lol.
I suppose there won't be any solo play or off-line options? It doesn't seem like it, but I was hoping I might have missed something. I've got to say I've been following Palia for a year and was super excited about it, right up until I read the game's terms. The number of times it mentioned banning, suing, or otherwise negatively impacting players made it seem like players were under constant surveillance and instantly raised warning flags. I'm still very excited about it, just concerned now.
Have you read other game terms? I suggest you do, specially for MMOs or multiplayer RPGs.
Lol! I had no idea this game was getting so much flak just from simple misunderstandings. But aye, there are some things about this that obviously got misinterpreted. Still love the game though
I'm having a lot of fun too
"Many of the older adults are married, have kids and jobs and are less worried about romance". I already see some middle-age career woman crying in a corner after these words xD
I'm a middle aged parent with a job and I felt it myself when I described that trope.
I hope we get some intimate scenes with NPCs, nothing crass, just hugging and kissing. It would be cute.
I feel like the team is not clear enough with their information about the game.
They are not clear about the prices in the shop as far as I know.
Not clear about the size of the world.. and how many players can be in it.
The world looks pretty small, and empty. The difference between the first trailers and the last ones is big.
In the first one the world looks very lively last ones.. not.
What can you do in big groups..? What makes this an MMO that people want to keep playing.
Can you see each others or your own house in the world or do you teleport?
Are there animals to take care of.. So many questions unanswered.
I am sure that in due time they will. They will probably reveal more information once beta hits.
The good news is that the NDA drops with closed beta and ALL the info will be out there.
very nice video i liked it a lot thank you for making it
Dauntless all over again 😂😊
I played Dauntless a bit at some point, were there similar misconceptions?
I would have enjoyed the game more if it wasnt linked to servers. Almost everything in the game including this could still happen just the same if the game wasn't linked to servers.
Really hit themselves in the foot
Feels like a version of the sim’s to be played on a phone, any exciting parts of the game to draw us in?
It still looks so fun ngl