Still waiting on further feedback from Falken after they mentioned that they would investigate TFL’s snow performance testing done earlier this year on the Wildpeak AT4W, especially since it is so much worse than the AT3W.
Bought these solely because Toyota world runners drove them from LA to the bottom of South America. Glad I live in Texas and off road in CO during the summer months lol. I’ll be looking at some KO3s the next time around
@@jimbo2040trust me when i say you made a great choice. There is nothing scientific about the snow test or this dry test. During snow testing the throttle "control" varied as well as time of day which bring temperature change and changes to the surface into play as well as the falkens were the last tire tested after the course had been beaten pretty good from the earlier tests. Im also not sure they were the correct load range for the jeep. Again, just content at the end of the day because other channels have had really good performance in snow from the at4w's. Ive had the at3ws and i loved them and now i have a mickey thompson baja boss at that i love also.
They did investigate. Look at the comments under the previous video. I was about to buy a set of fallen but changed my mind as I live in Colorado and do a lot of snow driving.
Loved the videos guys. Keep up the good work. I learned my lesson about tire tread and the difference it makes. Back in the mid 90's I bought my first Jeep, a 1983 CJ-7. Came with a set of BFG 33's already installed. I pulled my roommate's 2wd truck up a 20-30 degree dirt slope hill no problem with that Jeep. Three years later I bought a new 1996 Wrangler with stock tires. Couldn't even make it half way up the same hill and was towing nothing. Difference was the tire and tread. What a difference tread makes.
I’ve had the wildpeak AT3’s on 3 vehicles and loved them, one even being a work van. Glad they are still a good performer with the new design. Great video guys!
I have two sets of LT tires for my F150. My 4 year old AT3W's might just be the best none studded tires I've ever had in snow and ice. Amazing tires if you only want one set of do-it-all year round performance tires. I had a few sets of BFG's and they're pretty good when brand new but, don't even come close after the initial 10,000 km.
Please explain why you would run the rope to opposite corners of the vehicles. Were you trying to throw the jeep sideways for dramatic effects or was there some other reason?
I'd like to see the snow testing done again in the early morning so that the sun doesn't affect consistency of the snow as the day wears on. Out of all the tires I've reviewed, the Falken is still hands down the best.
It's hard to see on a TH-cam video, but it seems the first and last tests came with plenty of axle bounce, which is not really what you would want. But my main comment is thank you TFL, for doing such testing. I do find it entertaining and often learn something.
The only way it would be acceptable is if the tires are practically free and the savings are reflected in the jeep price, then you can use them to drive directly to your preferred tire shop to have the tires you want installed. It’s more likely done to get the best fuel mileage rating during the EPA testing in order to advertise the numbers and get a fleet cafe benefit with no regard to real world performance, as that seems to be the common practice with mfg’s these days. I wish all mfg’s let you pick out the tires you want and they installed it at the dealership before you drive off the lot.
@ I agree. The price should definitely reflect this, however that jeep still had a sticker of 38k, even after the got a great discount it was 32k, for all season tires, manual locks, windows, seats, mirrors. Crazy!!
Maybe the Hurricane, but that Cummins will run forever. This is good though if you bought an old non-running vehicle but you needed to pull it out of a lot because you couldn’t maneuver the tow vehicle and trailer down to load it directly, as most people shopping AT tires are concerned with 😉
We got 14" of snow here in Southern Indiana this week, and I have been having a blast with my Ranger Raptor on the KO3's. I am very impressed with these tires (and this truck). I want to thank you guys for the great reviews.
Got those Falkens on my F150 in 33 by 11 size. They are great in rain, snow and Ice. Driven through deep snow and on solid ice. Did great in both. Much better than the factory Goodyear Wranglers.
It’s the only tire I will ever run on my trucks. However they had one on a camera jeep they bought a couple years ago and it was doing terrible in snow, probably had pressures too high.
@@rosswallace2969 Yeah, I recall that. Mine has been fantastic in both snow on the road, and fresh powder. But I also ran proper air pressures. Also as I recall they had the metric 35 (315s), which is E rated. Which use a harder compound than the LT (35x12.50) D rated tire.
My cheap Jeep came with Michelin all season tires. Sold them and put on General Grabber all terrain tires from my Bronco and it made a big difference. Good stuff guys.
Glad to see TFL still playing. One can have the same vehicle and tire setup, but as stated each driver will have different operating habits. All of these tires are great. Even Rubitreks were great but I dropped them due to their weight, but the price at that time as great. Nokian nAT were just a bit higher as well as light and reportedly lighter. I had nearly got the Destination AT2's which are lighter and not nearly as aggressive as the XT's which I chose. Mind you my old vehicle doesn't have the horsepower and torque that todays more advanced vehicles have. And each vehicle has a different base weight, changed by it's load. Dare I say I watched a number of video's on tire pressure and how the contact patch is effected. Please note that my vehicle will spend most of it's remaining life on the highways and forestry roads thus will never see MOAB or an ORV park. But my brick shaped 4 liter powered 1987 Jeep Cherokee XJ does cruise on the flats at 55 miles per hour at about 1,500 RPM's on the 235/85R16's with a RE 3.5" lift. No aftermarket bumpers, nor a winch and without any other "armor". The XT's are quiet and ride nice. I'm old and don't want to hear tire "howl". Case use matters and each person will have their preference. Thank you TFL for another fun and light hearted coverage on tire products.
I’m definitely going with the BFG K03’s because Falken’s haven’t been that good honestly. Too many complaints and poor mileage reviews. BFG K02’s served me well in the past but I see improvements with the K03.
Honestly everyone is always looking for a substitute to bfg. But in the end nothing compares. Running hd terrains exclusively now. Power Wagon, Montero, Grenadier
Based on my observation, it looks like both the KO3s and ATa4Ws required more throttle to climb compared to the XTs, with the AT4W requiring way more pedal off the get-go.
ok, can you do a similar (but completely different) compare on tires for electric trucks, like the f150 or the silverado? I would love to see which ones stop the shortest, maybe which do best on range, handles best on a wet road, etc.
Well done, it’s hard to do. I’ve been tire testing for various manufacturers and they do put a lot of effort in to replicating scenarios. Much like the off-road coarse you have. Thanks to the bread man anyways 😎
You should keep the tow line parallel with the frame of both vehicles. Crossing over is introducing sideloads, and you can see the little JL back swinging over to the pasanger side when it is pulling.
I won't be doing any snow wheeling and choose not drive north when there is snow in the forecast. I primarily care about off and on road performance. I would like to see a test about on road mileage, noise, and the subjective feel of the tires before I make a final decision. Thanks for the "almost" scientific snow and off road testing.
I have had the falken At3 and now the At4 on my Chevy 2500. The At3 was a better snow tire. The AT4 is the better dirt tire. Overall iv ben happy with falkens all terrain tires.
Nice test! I would love to do a somewhat standardized test of my Kenda Klever MT2s (on my TJ), Falken WIldpeak MTs (my JL’s stock optional tire), BFG KM3s (liked previous KMs), Nitto Trail Grapplers (I have friends who love these), and maybe some other options. Unfortunately, for most people, a test like that is impossible due to costs. Thanks for putting some TFL money towards this!
I had the Falkens on a Nissan Frontier. Right out of the box were good. Siping was so shallow by 8000 miles were horrible in rain and snow on the road. Offroad snow was not that great.
Still no love for the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T’s! It’s the be-all end-all AT here in Central Oregon. Basically a mud terrain with a 3PMS rating and a 50k warranty. I switched from KO2’s to the Mickeys and it was a night and day difference in snow and on wet roads. Mud performance isn’t even in the same ballpark. They are constantly sold out and hard to find for a reason!
Yea, at the end of the day its more about content than actual results. Falkens are great tires in all conditions and ive seen the at4w perform great in snow on other channels
I'm calling BS to all the Internet hype about falkens. I'm currently running at3w on my ram and they are the worst all terrain tire I have ever run. I have 8k miles on them now and want to swap them out asap they suck so bad.
I think you're 100% spot on! My theory is the Wildpeaks got so much hype and people bought them. But because it's almost like an American culture to not admit thst something isn't great you just spent a bunch of money on......people would rather be in denial!
I've had a few sets, 35s in e rating and p sized for ram 1500 on 20s. Both were great in rain for the life of the tires, snow I found the LTs to be a bit less grippy in their last half of life. LTs had 5/8ths tread depth new, and p series had 5/16 depth. I would do the at3w again but I'm not sold on the at4w. Bfg is the biggest hype train going . My next tires will likely be back on mickey Thompsons with the boss at. Now I run a dedicated snow tire so I'm spoiled.
That's interesting, I personally think they perform similarly to the KO2 offroad, but significantly smoother and quieter on road. I've had 2 sets of both KO2 and Wildpeak AT3W, both sets I prefer the falkens. Just my experience though.
Maybe you should try the Falkens in the load range C tire on the snow test again? An E tire for the 2 door wrangler is overkill. Understand the others are also E range but perhaps the engineering differences for the C vs E in the Falkens would make a difference on the small, lightweight wrangler? I've got C rated AT4s on my 2 door and haven't had much issue in the couple of snowfalls we've had out here on the western slope.
Falken M/T is the best light truck tire out there. Soft compound with the thickest sidewalls in class make it incredible off-road and glued to the asphalt even in dumping rain. Very difficult to hydroplane with M/T’s.
Absolutely love the tire tests. I am looking forward to putting a set of the KO3s on my Ram 2500 when time comes (probable at the end of next summer). Currently I have a set of Continental Terrain Contact ATs, which have been great for summer towing on the highway and limited off road. However, they leave me wanting in snowy conditions.
Should try out Kenda AT or RTs. They are an amazing tire and cheaper. Love to see what they would do in your tests. I drive the RTs year round, no traction issues on or off-road.
Im trying to decide what this proves exactly. Seems to me the first test on this grade would have been the best because the ground would provide more friction (grass, roots, etc) and subsequent runs would be in sandy ruts. I also wonder if Tommy was able to drive exactly the same way enough to have the tires be the only variable. But the results are interesting. Thanks.
I've run two sets of the previous gen Wildpeaks on an 06 Tacoma and thought the snow performance was great. Better than the Michelin LTX M/S for sure. I wonder why the new Falkens are so bad in the snow. Heavier sidewall and a light vehicle?
Correct, they are not "bad" in the snow. Dont be discouraged from those not controlled or scientific results. It blows me that ppl are thinking they dont perform because of that 1 video. This test had a ton of variables as well. Bottom line is take it with a grain of salt. The at3s and at4ws run great on and offroad and in the snow/ice
Are there better videos directly comparing the snow and ice performance of the AT4W’s? Tyre Reviews has a video testing the AT4W’s as well, but he admitted the conditions were not ideal for controlled testing and the results were just as bad as TFL’s.
@@angrybeavers1175 the comment was likely in regards to tugging against a 10k lb load with a SUV transfer case, not a specific criticism of jeep quality
@ lol. Yes you’re right, I guess it wouldn’t make any sense for them to buy popular vehicles to test on their automotive channels. I’m pretty sure they are proud Ford guys especially Roman, but they need to test and film everything.
The best tire I've had so far have been the Nokian Outpost nAT's. Have had KO2s, Geolandar G015s, Cooper AT3 xlt and the Wildpeaks but these have been excelent in every condition especially DD highway use.
Awesome test 🎉 I was looking to buy a set for my Ranger Raptor, but I need good snow performance so it will be either the Firestones or the KO3s. I run KO2s and I am happy with them in all scenarios.
I love you guys and all your channels, but why don't you guys ever test Goodyear tires? I am not a Goodyear fan boy, I just want to see how they stack up. It's still a great video!😅😅😅
I agree, why are foreign tires tested and you ignore USA made Goodyears? Being a Goodyear Tire retiree I’d be very interested having them tested on all future comparisons.
I think k you got a brilliant idea on your "cheap jeep" purchase. I was thinking jeep could save itself with a Samurai type machine back to the very basic- at $20g give or take. Doors optional!
Jeep will never do this, but I can see a motorcycle\SxS mfg doing this. A basic SxS, upgraded just enough to legally run on the highway, and with a price kept under $25k. It will be slow, loud, and uncomfortable on the highway, but that’s ok if the off road performance is excellent and it stays small enough to just tow it to the trail if it’s a longer trip. It would make a particularly good vehicle to tow behind an RV and use for local transportation when the RV is parked.
I have been watching some videos from Australia where they off-road a Suzuki Samurai. The little 4x4 is surprisingly capable, and they seem to have a lot of fun with it.
That snow stopping was scaryyyyyyy. Ive personally loved the cooper at3 xlt but NEVER see cooper pushing ads or anything for the off-road community. Would you be able to try that tire out? Man i would reslly love to get some spot light on that tire
I am with you! I live on the western slope of Colorado at 7,000 feet and need good snow and gravel/dirt tires. I have Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT's on my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2023 F-250, and 2004 Expedition, and they all perform great on all types of surfaces. Plus, they are quiet on dry pavement at all speeds.
@michaelrubala1215 anytime I even think of going with a different tire brand and start reading into it. I just know if I go with the at3 XLT, I will 100% be happy. If I don't then I'll just compare to it 😂
They do like her, but they grab whoever is available for doing shoots to get the videos done unless it is a specifically planned pairing like Tommy and Case on TFLclassics
I just put a set of Falken Wildpeaks on my daughter’s Grand Cherokee right before your snow test video came out. I’ve been second guessing my decision ever since. Somebody tell me I didn’t screw up.
Too early to tell, not enough controlled tests done. Hopefully you bought the standard tires and not the E rated LT tires, as those seem to perform the worst based on current user feedback.
You didn't. They're great on snow and ice for an all terrain. I've had 3 sets of at3w and 1 set of at4w they all perform good above 50% treadlife on bad roads. I drive the same 600 mile roundtrip drive every week in some of the worst driving conditions imaginable and they are still the best besides blizzaks that I've had. I've been doing this same drive since 2011. Look up I-80 in Wyoming ing the winter, nicknamed the Sno-chi-man trail. I have no idea how tfl had such bad performance, i have a 2016 Gmc 2500 diesel that ran the at3w and a 2024 Tundra that has the at4w. Friday I had 200+ miles of black ice, snow polished ice from the Neverending wind, slush and dry powdery snow. They performed just as good as I could expect. I have had bfg ko2s and they were not even in the same ballpark as the Falkens for snow and ice driving, I actually used them for about 2 months, around 5,000 miles and took them off and replaced them with Falkens.
I actually lost any faith in TFL testing after that episode, there has to be more to the story, conditions changed or something. I've been a faithful subscriber for years.
I still think the testing of LRE tires compromised the results. If not simply for the fact that at 36psi sidewall flex & load carrying capacity are quite different than LRC, or D tires. Yes, I understand that Falken requested you test the “E” rated, but… why test what you don’t spec?
The internet hyped up the Wildpeaks and people bought them. But because it's almost like an American culture to not admit that something isn't great you just spent a bunch of money on......people would rather just be in denial! Im not saying they are a bad tire at all! Just that they are not that great either. And its time to just be honest with yourself and admit the BFGs are a better all around all terrain tire!
Imagine trying to stop near a ledge on the mountains in the snow and you fall down the cliff because it didn’t stop soon enough 😂 100’ is a big deal in snow!!! Especially with your family or loved ones on board or running into a 18wheller rear end on the road because it didn’t stop 100’ earlier 😅lol😂
If you can afford two sets of tires (Winter/Summer) then the Wild Peaks are a serious consideration but if only one set has to work all year I'd get the KO3s
Currently running Kenda R/T tires and i love them but may go down to an A/T on my next tire and was thinking about the Falken but seeing the snow results on them and feedback from other on here, i may step away from them
I'm curious why you guys don't test the MT Baja Boss. As far as I can tell it's the only asymetricak tread tire, 3 ply sidewall, 3 peak rated jack of all trades probably the best available tire out there yet you pat it zero mind. Is there a reason? I realize testing all of the m is impossible but the baja boss is so unique and top tier it seems like it should be included.
I cant believe im gonna say this.... the wrangler 4 door is actually a better buy than the new "land cruiser".... I thought the land cruiser would offer more passenger and driver space and comfort. I was wrong... sat in one today and was shocked by how cramped I felt in the driver seat and in the second row. I am 5"11 and weigh about 200LBS on a good day. So yeah, not overweight or huge by any means. Where as in the wrangler I feel more comfrotable and have way more space for my legs and my knees dont graze against the center console unlike the Landcruisers center console.
The problem with this test is every run the course gets more tore up and dirt gets looser and becomes a-lot harder. So its definitely not apples to apples.
Still waiting on further feedback from Falken after they mentioned that they would investigate TFL’s snow performance testing done earlier this year on the Wildpeak AT4W, especially since it is so much worse than the AT3W.
Bought these solely because Toyota world runners drove them from LA to the bottom of South America. Glad I live in Texas and off road in CO during the summer months lol. I’ll be looking at some KO3s the next time around
I've had a couple sets of falkens and didn't like them at all in rain and snow. I like the BFGs better.
@@jimbo2040trust me when i say you made a great choice. There is nothing scientific about the snow test or this dry test. During snow testing the throttle "control" varied as well as time of day which bring temperature change and changes to the surface into play as well as the falkens were the last tire tested after the course had been beaten pretty good from the earlier tests. Im also not sure they were the correct load range for the jeep. Again, just content at the end of the day because other channels have had really good performance in snow from the at4w's. Ive had the at3ws and i loved them and now i have a mickey thompson baja boss at that i love also.
They did investigate. Look at the comments under the previous video. I was about to buy a set of fallen but changed my mind as I live in Colorado and do a lot of snow driving.
@@boal451 you let one single anecdote sway your purchase decision?
Those K03’s sure do look good on that jeep….
Liking these tire shoot outs. Would like to see in the future a comparison of 33" vs 35" vs 37" on the same obstacle. Cool video series
Why. Size proves nothing in these circumstances stances.
@sabraitis I wasn't very clear, I meant same off-road obstacles, but not for nothing a larger tire would definitely help here.
Loved the videos guys. Keep up the good work. I learned my lesson about tire tread and the difference it makes. Back in the mid 90's I bought my first Jeep, a 1983 CJ-7. Came with a set of BFG 33's already installed. I pulled my roommate's 2wd truck up a 20-30 degree dirt slope hill no problem with that Jeep. Three years later I bought a new 1996 Wrangler with stock tires. Couldn't even make it half way up the same hill and was towing nothing. Difference was the tire and tread. What a difference tread makes.
Would have been nice to see the latest Duratracks in these tests
I’ve had the wildpeak AT3’s on 3 vehicles and loved them, one even being a work van. Glad they are still a good performer with the new design. Great video guys!
I have two sets of LT tires for my F150. My 4 year old AT3W's might just be the best none studded tires I've ever had in snow and ice. Amazing tires if you only want one set of do-it-all year round performance tires. I had a few sets of BFG's and they're pretty good when brand new but, don't even come close after the initial 10,000 km.
@@fj400007 I'm 100% in agreement with you on this.
Great video guys. I know none of this is scientific but I sure do appreciate just knowing what these tires are capable of. Thank you
Please explain why you would run the rope to opposite corners of the vehicles. Were you trying to throw the jeep sideways for dramatic effects or was there some other reason?
I'd like to see the snow testing done again in the early morning so that the sun doesn't affect consistency of the snow as the day wears on. Out of all the tires I've reviewed, the Falken is still hands down the best.
Well, that's what real world testing gets you with more variability... because its not a climate controlled environment.
It's hard to see on a TH-cam video, but it seems the first and last tests came with plenty of axle bounce, which is not really what you would want.
But my main comment is thank you TFL, for doing such testing. I do find it entertaining and often learn something.
Full throttle is not the way to go.
The fact Jeep, Ram come from the factory with Nexen tires is completely crazy. Has to be the worst OE tires ever
The only way it would be acceptable is if the tires are practically free and the savings are reflected in the jeep price, then you can use them to drive directly to your preferred tire shop to have the tires you want installed.
It’s more likely done to get the best fuel mileage rating during the EPA testing in order to advertise the numbers and get a fleet cafe benefit with no regard to real world performance, as that seems to be the common practice with mfg’s these days.
I wish all mfg’s let you pick out the tires you want and they installed it at the dealership before you drive off the lot.
@ I agree. The price should definitely reflect this, however that jeep still had a sticker of 38k, even after the got a great discount it was 32k, for all season tires, manual locks, windows, seats, mirrors. Crazy!!
Since most of these vehicles will be pavement princesses the tire is adequate
@@mjb2048 funny
Yikes. Kinda paints the picture of current financial affairs over there.
The Cummins getting pulled up a hill seems about right. J/K, calm down Ram fans 😂😂😂
Maybe the Hurricane, but that Cummins will run forever. This is good though if you bought an old non-running vehicle but you needed to pull it out of a lot because you couldn’t maneuver the tow vehicle and trailer down to load it directly, as most people shopping AT tires are concerned with 😉
@Cloud30000the engine may but the truck won’t 😂😂😂😂
@@flight2k5 if the frame bends in half, it provides a good excuse to make it into a race truck 😄
We got 14" of snow here in Southern Indiana this week, and I have been having a blast with my Ranger Raptor on the KO3's. I am very impressed with these tires (and this truck). I want to thank you guys for the great reviews.
Got those Falkens on my F150 in 33 by 11 size. They are great in rain, snow and Ice. Driven through deep snow and on solid ice. Did great in both. Much better than the factory Goodyear Wranglers.
I would have liked to see Mickey Thompson Baja boss AT tested. I run those on my 21 Tacoma and love them.
The 35” Baja Boss AT I have on my Wrangler are the best all around off-road tires I have ever had. I have been super happy with them.
I have tried all the most popular All Terrain tires and will not own anything else from now on. The Baja Boss A/T is so good
It’s the only tire I will ever run on my trucks. However they had one on a camera jeep they bought a couple years ago and it was doing terrible in snow, probably had pressures too high.
@@rosswallace2969 Yeah, I recall that. Mine has been fantastic in both snow on the road, and fresh powder. But I also ran proper air pressures. Also as I recall they had the metric 35 (315s), which is E rated. Which use a harder compound than the LT (35x12.50) D rated tire.
Then why do you need to see them tested ? lol
My cheap Jeep came with Michelin all season tires. Sold them and put on General Grabber all terrain tires from my Bronco and it made a big difference. Good stuff guys.
I think I'll take the extra second up hill to stop 100 feet sooner in the snow!
Glad to see TFL still playing. One can have the same vehicle and tire setup, but as stated each driver will have different operating habits. All of these tires are great. Even Rubitreks were great but I dropped them due to their weight, but the price at that time as great. Nokian nAT were just a bit higher as well as light and reportedly lighter. I had nearly got the Destination AT2's which are lighter and not nearly as aggressive as the XT's which I chose. Mind you my old vehicle doesn't have the horsepower and torque that todays more advanced vehicles have. And each vehicle has a different base weight, changed by it's load. Dare I say I watched a number of video's on tire pressure and how the contact patch is effected. Please note that my vehicle will spend most of it's remaining life on the highways and forestry roads thus will never see MOAB or an ORV park. But my brick shaped 4 liter powered 1987 Jeep Cherokee XJ does cruise on the flats at 55 miles per hour at about 1,500 RPM's on the 235/85R16's with a RE 3.5" lift. No aftermarket bumpers, nor a winch and without any other "armor". The XT's are quiet and ride nice. I'm old and don't want to hear tire "howl". Case use matters and each person will have their preference. Thank you TFL for another fun and light hearted coverage on tire products.
I’m definitely going with the BFG K03’s because Falken’s haven’t been that good honestly. Too many complaints and poor mileage reviews. BFG K02’s served me well in the past but I see improvements with the K03.
Honestly everyone is always looking for a substitute to bfg. But in the end nothing compares. Running hd terrains exclusively now. Power Wagon, Montero, Grenadier
Based on my observation, it looks like both the KO3s and ATa4Ws required more throttle to climb compared to the XTs, with the AT4W requiring way more pedal off the get-go.
ok, can you do a similar (but completely different) compare on tires for electric trucks, like the f150 or the silverado? I would love to see which ones stop the shortest, maybe which do best on range, handles best on a wet road, etc.
Firestone Destination A/T2 on a 2021 Tacoma TRD.....love it. My KO2 still laying in the garage.
K03s feel great on my 4runner and have been very good in the snow so far.
Well done, it’s hard to do. I’ve been tire testing for various manufacturers and they do put a lot of effort in to replicating scenarios. Much like the off-road coarse you have. Thanks to the bread man anyways 😎
You should keep the tow line parallel with the frame of both vehicles. Crossing over is introducing sideloads, and you can see the little JL back swinging over to the pasanger side when it is pulling.
I won't be doing any snow wheeling and choose not drive north when there is snow in the forecast. I primarily care about off and on road performance. I would like to see a test about on road mileage, noise, and the subjective feel of the tires before I make a final decision. Thanks for the "almost" scientific snow and off road testing.
I have had the falken At3 and now the At4 on my Chevy 2500. The At3 was a better snow tire. The AT4 is the better dirt tire. Overall iv ben happy with falkens all terrain tires.
Nice test! I would love to do a somewhat standardized test of my Kenda Klever MT2s (on my TJ), Falken WIldpeak MTs (my JL’s stock optional tire), BFG KM3s (liked previous KMs), Nitto Trail Grapplers (I have friends who love these), and maybe some other options. Unfortunately, for most people, a test like that is impossible due to costs. Thanks for putting some TFL money towards this!
I had the Falkens on a Nissan Frontier. Right out of the box were good. Siping was so shallow by 8000 miles were horrible in rain and snow on the road. Offroad snow was not that great.
Still no love for the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T’s! It’s the be-all end-all AT here in Central Oregon. Basically a mud terrain with a 3PMS rating and a 50k warranty. I switched from KO2’s to the Mickeys and it was a night and day difference in snow and on wet roads. Mud performance isn’t even in the same ballpark. They are constantly sold out and hard to find for a reason!
Put the Falkens on my 4Runner and they have been the best tire purchase I’ve made in 10 years.
Yea, at the end of the day its more about content than actual results. Falkens are great tires in all conditions and ive seen the at4w perform great in snow on other channels
Falkens have been fantastic on my Jeep
I'm calling BS to all the Internet hype about falkens. I'm currently running at3w on my ram and they are the worst all terrain tire I have ever run. I have 8k miles on them now and want to swap them out asap they suck so bad.
Not my experience at all on a Sierra 1500. What size?
I think you're 100% spot on! My theory is the Wildpeaks got so much hype and people bought them. But because it's almost like an American culture to not admit thst something isn't great you just spent a bunch of money on......people would rather be in denial!
I've had a few sets, 35s in e rating and p sized for ram 1500 on 20s. Both were great in rain for the life of the tires, snow I found the LTs to be a bit less grippy in their last half of life. LTs had 5/8ths tread depth new, and p series had 5/16 depth.
I would do the at3w again but I'm not sold on the at4w.
Bfg is the biggest hype train going . My next tires will likely be back on mickey Thompsons with the boss at.
Now I run a dedicated snow tire so I'm spoiled.
That's interesting, I personally think they perform similarly to the KO2 offroad, but significantly smoother and quieter on road. I've had 2 sets of both KO2 and Wildpeak AT3W, both sets I prefer the falkens. Just my experience though.
Maybe you should try the Falkens in the load range C tire on the snow test again? An E tire for the 2 door wrangler is overkill. Understand the others are also E range but perhaps the engineering differences for the C vs E in the Falkens would make a difference on the small, lightweight wrangler? I've got C rated AT4s on my 2 door and haven't had much issue in the couple of snowfalls we've had out here on the western slope.
They did this in the top truck challenge in the 90s
Great tests, including the recent snow traction one too. How about a road noise test next?
Falken M/T is the best light truck tire out there. Soft compound with the thickest sidewalls in class make it incredible off-road and glued to the asphalt even in dumping rain. Very difficult to hydroplane with M/T’s.
Remind me not to buy that jeep off you guys! LOL
Love to see you guys try the kenda Klever RT with other RT tires. Very informative and entertaining series.
Any plans for followup tests in the snow with the Falkens?
Absolutely love the tire tests. I am looking forward to putting a set of the KO3s on my Ram 2500 when time comes (probable at the end of next summer). Currently I have a set of Continental Terrain Contact ATs, which have been great for summer towing on the highway and limited off road. However, they leave me wanting in snowy conditions.
Excellent real world testing, Tommy!
Should try out Kenda AT or RTs. They are an amazing tire and cheaper. Love to see what they would do in your tests. I drive the RTs year round, no traction issues on or off-road.
Im trying to decide what this proves exactly. Seems to me the first test on this grade would have been the best because the ground would provide more friction (grass, roots, etc) and subsequent runs would be in sandy ruts. I also wonder if Tommy was able to drive exactly the same way enough to have the tires be the only variable. But the results are interesting. Thanks.
Love any video with a Jeep
Great tire test. Very good idea.
Glad you liked it!
@@TFLoffroad Yep! I hope you guys do it more times with different tires and vehicles.
I think the ruts from previous runs changed the traction for future runs. Not sure if it’s better or worse.
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Let's see my favorite
BFGOODRICH Trail Terrain tires
I've run two sets of the previous gen Wildpeaks on an 06 Tacoma and thought the snow performance was great. Better than the Michelin LTX M/S for sure. I wonder why the new Falkens are so bad in the snow. Heavier sidewall and a light vehicle?
Me too; just seems like a really bad look for Falken and likely to really hurt sales if they don’t respond with a detailed explanation.
They are not bad in the snow or ice. Actually the opposite. I have the at4 and they are great. There is something amiss with their review.
@@rpmservice5211 This. TFL is the FURTHEST you can be from consistent in their testing. Entertaining but in no way scientific.
Correct, they are not "bad" in the snow. Dont be discouraged from those not controlled or scientific results. It blows me that ppl are thinking they dont perform because of that 1 video. This test had a ton of variables as well. Bottom line is take it with a grain of salt. The at3s and at4ws run great on and offroad and in the snow/ice
Are there better videos directly comparing the snow and ice performance of the AT4W’s?
Tyre Reviews has a video testing the AT4W’s as well, but he admitted the conditions were not ideal for controlled testing and the results were just as bad as TFL’s.
When are you going to test cooper tires. One of the last two U.S. made tires. I run them and I love them.
Add Cooper Discoverer road and trail into the mix.
Next episode, cheap Jeep’s transfer case is blown. lol. Cool test!!
It's funny cause TFL crew keep buying mopar vehicles and love them. Guess you're the mron.
@@angrybeavers1175 the comment was likely in regards to tugging against a 10k lb load with a SUV transfer case, not a specific criticism of jeep quality
@ lol. Yes you’re right, I guess it wouldn’t make any sense for them to buy popular vehicles to test on their automotive channels. I’m pretty sure they are proud Ford guys especially Roman, but they need to test and film everything.
@ being a Mopar simp is a pretty nasty disease too, you might want to get that looked at ma’am.
This is great. Love your tire tests
Thank you!
The best tire I've had so far have been the Nokian Outpost nAT's. Have had KO2s, Geolandar G015s, Cooper AT3 xlt and the Wildpeaks but these have been excelent in every condition especially DD highway use.
Awesome test 🎉 I was looking to buy a set for my Ranger Raptor, but I need good snow performance so it will be either the Firestones or the KO3s. I run KO2s and I am happy with them in all scenarios.
I’ve ran the falkens and the bfg on Utah off-road hunting rigs and without question the bfg is the better all around tire.
Isn't that Alex's Jeep? Many thanks to Alex for letting TFL conduct this test LOL. That Jeep was pushed to the limit towing that behemoth up the hill.
No, TFL bought a cheap basic wrangler for this kind of testing; I do not think it has a locker, so these tests are all with open diffs.
I love you guys and all your channels, but why don't you guys ever test Goodyear tires? I am not a Goodyear fan boy, I just want to see how they stack up. It's still a great video!😅😅😅
I agree, why are foreign tires tested and you ignore USA made Goodyears? Being a Goodyear Tire retiree I’d be very interested having them tested on all future comparisons.
The Jeep looks like it's going to break !
truly amazing, you guys are truly the best....
I think k you got a brilliant idea on your "cheap jeep" purchase. I was thinking jeep could save itself with a Samurai type machine back to the very basic- at $20g give or take. Doors optional!
Jeep will never do this, but I can see a motorcycle\SxS mfg doing this. A basic SxS, upgraded just enough to legally run on the highway, and with a price kept under $25k. It will be slow, loud, and uncomfortable on the highway, but that’s ok if the off road performance is excellent and it stays small enough to just tow it to the trail if it’s a longer trip. It would make a particularly good vehicle to tow behind an RV and use for local transportation when the RV is parked.
I have been watching some videos from Australia where they off-road a Suzuki Samurai. The little 4x4 is surprisingly capable, and they seem to have a lot of fun with it.
I would’ve liked to see how the Nitto tires would compare I’m a big fan of them.
That snow stopping was scaryyyyyyy. Ive personally loved the cooper at3 xlt but NEVER see cooper pushing ads or anything for the off-road community. Would you be able to try that tire out? Man i would reslly love to get some spot light on that tire
I am with you! I live on the western slope of Colorado at 7,000 feet and need good snow and gravel/dirt tires. I have Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT's on my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2023 F-250, and 2004 Expedition, and they all perform great on all types of surfaces. Plus, they are quiet on dry pavement at all speeds.
@michaelrubala1215 anytime I even think of going with a different tire brand and start reading into it. I just know if I go with the at3 XLT, I will 100% be happy. If I don't then I'll just compare to it 😂
Love my 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L 4x4 V6, The V6 rips
You can tell the crew really likes Jen. They just drag her along everywhere they go.
As for the tires, I prefer the BFGs myself.
They do like her, but they grab whoever is available for doing shoots to get the videos done unless it is a specifically planned pairing like Tommy and Case on TFLclassics
@Cloud30000 "Kase"
@Cloud30000 Oh I know. I was just using the opportunity to make a Dad Joke. (They were pulling the Ram with her in it, so "Dragging".) 😁
@@WW-wf8tu I’ve seen TFL spell it both ways in the TH-cam comments and descriptions
I just put a set of Falken Wildpeaks on my daughter’s Grand Cherokee right before your snow test video came out. I’ve been second guessing my decision ever since.
Somebody tell me I didn’t screw up.
I mean I have them right now and live in PA, we’ve got a couple snowstorms so far and they’ve been fine. I have them on a 4 runner.
Too early to tell, not enough controlled tests done. Hopefully you bought the standard tires and not the E rated LT tires, as those seem to perform the worst based on current user feedback.
You didn't. They're great on snow and ice for an all terrain. I've had 3 sets of at3w and 1 set of at4w they all perform good above 50% treadlife on bad roads. I drive the same 600 mile roundtrip drive every week in some of the worst driving conditions imaginable and they are still the best besides blizzaks that I've had. I've been doing this same drive since 2011. Look up I-80 in Wyoming ing the winter, nicknamed the Sno-chi-man trail. I have no idea how tfl had such bad performance, i have a 2016 Gmc 2500 diesel that ran the at3w and a 2024 Tundra that has the at4w. Friday I had 200+ miles of black ice, snow polished ice from the Neverending wind, slush and dry powdery snow. They performed just as good as I could expect. I have had bfg ko2s and they were not even in the same ballpark as the Falkens for snow and ice driving, I actually used them for about 2 months, around 5,000 miles and took them off and replaced them with Falkens.
I actually lost any faith in TFL testing after that episode, there has to be more to the story, conditions changed or something. I've been a faithful subscriber for years.
@@BillDike This makes me feel better. Thank you.
Ty for sharing, lol gotta admit you surely are making me rethink getting another 2dr lol
This is a very practical and informative video. Thank you.
thanks for doing all this! good content
I still think the testing of LRE tires compromised the results. If not simply for the fact that at 36psi sidewall flex & load carrying capacity are quite different than LRC, or D tires.
Yes, I understand that Falken requested you test the “E” rated, but… why test what you don’t spec?
Not sure why you would run the rope from driver side to passenger side?
Need a wet performance test to finalize which tire best between BFG and Falken.
Pretty cool test. 😊
The internet hyped up the Wildpeaks and people bought them. But because it's almost like an American culture to not admit that something isn't great you just spent a bunch of money on......people would rather just be in denial! Im not saying they are a bad tire at all! Just that they are not that great either. And its time to just be honest with yourself and admit the BFGs are a better all around all terrain tire!
Which one has the best fuel economy ?
Do a video of lifted vans like the Sienna offroad.
Or did the improvement in the tires each time equate to practice in experiment
Test the new Yokohama Geolandar A/T4 (G018) as well!
Great video btw!
Great new video..something new 👌 😍
my wildpeat RT's work great in the snow. not 1 issue
Imagine trying to stop near a ledge on the mountains in the snow and you fall down the cliff because it didn’t stop soon enough 😂 100’ is a big deal in snow!!! Especially with your family or loved ones on board or running into a 18wheller rear end on the road because it didn’t stop 100’ earlier 😅lol😂
Hope we see a mud test next
1:11 Look at that nice, round hole for the shack...NO TOMMY WHAT ARE YOU DOING, THAT'S THE WRONG HOLE.
If you can afford two sets of tires (Winter/Summer) then the Wild Peaks are a serious consideration but if only one set has to work all year I'd get the KO3s
Any rubbing with the 285 tires?
Should run the test again to see if the track conditions changing were part of the improvements especially since it was a linear result
Excellent information.
Thanks!
Please check the engine temperature and transmission temperature while they are operating at their maximum condition.
That Jeep's transmission's going to be worthless after you do this.
Currently running Kenda R/T tires and i love them but may go down to an A/T on my next tire and was thinking about the Falken but seeing the snow results on them and feedback from other on here, i may step away from them
I'm curious why you guys don't test the MT Baja Boss. As far as I can tell it's the only asymetricak tread tire, 3 ply sidewall, 3 peak rated jack of all trades probably the best available tire out there yet you pat it zero mind. Is there a reason? I realize testing all of the m is impossible but the baja boss is so unique and top tier it seems like it should be included.
Probability many viewers would love to see milestar patagonia in your tests.
Clean 1 owner jeep! Never abused
I am buying KO3 since I live where it snows !
Should combined both tests to get the best bang for your buck
No snow, no go. It snows where I live, so that is a non-starter.
I'd say the BFG is still best. 2nd place in offload but 1st in snow. Better all-around tire in my opinion.
I cant believe im gonna say this.... the wrangler 4 door is actually a better buy than the new "land cruiser".... I thought the land cruiser would offer more passenger and driver space and comfort. I was wrong... sat in one today and was shocked by how cramped I felt in the driver seat and in the second row. I am 5"11 and weigh about 200LBS on a good day. So yeah, not overweight or huge by any means. Where as in the wrangler I feel more comfrotable and have way more space for my legs and my knees dont graze against the center console unlike the Landcruisers center console.
Each run got faster so basically says the path got easier. Each run got the loose top soil to move so the nexxt run got more traction and so forth.
The problem with this test is every run the course gets more tore up and dirt gets looser and becomes a-lot harder. So its definitely not apples to apples.