There’s a Jehova’s Witness that I know that is 80x smarter than I and beats me in debate all the time. It gets to the point that it even confuses myself. This video helps but ive been struggling to point to scripture in favor of Christianity when debating this person. Please pray that God can give me the grace and knowledge to witness and discern the truth. And if i do not know the truth, i pray God can spare me in my mortal ignorance
Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Easy to pin them down They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who God loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed… The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Read Luke 10. Speak the truth. If they don't listen to you SHAKE THE DUST OFF OF YOUR FEET AND MOVE ON. You are not called to debate with eloquent words but to preach the gospel truth in power. People need to REPENT and this includes they need to repent for believing lies. Jesus said, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free!!" The Holy Spirit will lead whoever seeks after truth into all truth. We still need to SAY SOMETHING, make disciples, teaching then to obey everything Jesus commanded. Read Ezekiel 3.
I used to be a Jehovah's Witness and knew the New World Translations almost by heart. I hate to tell you, but their Bible does not say " before Abraham was, I Am" at John 8:58 , it say's " before Abraham was, I have been." They have cleverly changed any inference that Jesus is God. It's very hard to prove using the New World Translation. I didn't see it until I read the King James Bible and saw all the places they had changed God's Word to fit their doctrine. Now I know the truth about Jesus. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not a created angel named Michael. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness to read another Bible besides theirs.
Eyes Wide Open That's because the JW New World Translation as with other translation sticks to the oldest and most reliable source, examples like the NIV, ESV, etc. The King James Version of the bible does not apply the oldest and most reliable source at all and is solely based on what is translated in the 16th century. So these so called changes were in represents to the 4th century source instead of the altered 16th source. The belief of Michael and Jesus being one in the same is a belief from the 8th and or 9th century which is way beyond the JWs came into existence. John 8 : 58 does not prove Jesus is God because any man can investigate for themselves that ego eimi and ego eimi ho on are different and how common it was to the Greek people of that time who speaks this way, something of which I explained to the other guy who tried to mix Greek Words together. JWs are merely restorationist Christians for they care nothing more of strict adherence to the bible and Christians like that are rare, and are the only ones to be attacked time and time again by mainstream Christianity.
Zoll, do you know who translated the New World Translation Bible and did they have any knowledge of the Hebrew or Greek languages? I beg you to compare the NWT to their own Greek interlinear. It is unbelievably inaccurate. Do your research, and not on JW. Org. Hebrews chapter one proves Jesus is not an angel. Read it for yourself, and pray for understanding. Revelation clearly states that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last. The one who is coming, who was dead and is now alive. Revelation chapters 1 & 2. Jehovah's Witnesses are not being attacked, they are being exposed. They portray our Lord and Savior as an angel. They reject his precious sacrifice by rejecting the bread and wine. They memorialize his death, yet he is not dead. He is alive, he is our MIghty King, our Lord of Lords, our Judge, our Savior. Praise be to Him! God bless
Eyes Wide Open Do not be foolish. It is not a matter if how well someone knows the language and or not, it is by means if sheer biblical hermeneutics and respecting the source. The New World Translation, as with a with a few bible translations follow the Septuagint, the oldest and most reliable source the bible is based off off, anything outside of that is utter nonsense. The Interlinear Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses is based off of the 1550, for if you are unaware of that number, in English from a theological standpoint the 1550 is the Stephens Textus Receptus (among others). There are other Textus Receptus verisons that are known to be false, apparently this one is not, and what adds moe proof and fact is that the 1550 is on a majority of bible translations sites so anyone can compare the 1550 to any Interlinear that is based off the 1550, in turn, the Septuagint unlike other Textus Receptus translations that have been tampered with. I do not need to do the research, I know my hermeneutics, I know my Christology, I know the history of the church, the church fathers, and a plethora of other things, this includes the Great Awakening, and since this is a discussion about Jehovah's Witnesses, the Second and Third Awakening that is come out of the Restorationist Movement that has brought Christianity into the world stage. In the history of Jews, Jesus was a representative of God, one who has done Shaliah Principle also known as Angelic Agency, something of which all messengers of God are bounded to, hence Angel, meaning Malak, which in English means, Messenger. Jesus is basically an Angel, in this regard, a Messenger who is speaking the Word of God by means of Shaliah Principle. Hebrews chapter 1 only proves that Jesus has been exalted by God and made superior beforw his angelic brothers and nothing more, all sons of God, but this one, is of whom God exalted because he is the only begotten. Plus you have Apostle Paul to thank for he himself referred to the Christ as an Angel (Malak). Actually this is only Revelations chapter 1. The Septuagint proves that as well as biblical hermeneutics and it does not prove Jesus, a man who claims he has a God (John 20 : 17), is God. The Trinitarian claim doesn't even make logical sense with their own doctrine since they are confusing identities which their own doctrine insists you must not confuse. The first and the last was dead. Only a created being can say He was dead, but God cannot die, be killed or be subjected to death, that is outlandish and ridiculous for a creator of all things to be to killed by mere mortal man. Yahweh is immortal/incorruptible which means He cannot be dead. For this reason, it is quite impossible to identify Jesus as Yahweh the God. It is clear that these titles refer to creation and Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation since he is the firstborn out of the dead. Everything begins and ends with the Father's Word. The Genesis act of creation was accomplished by means of His spoken Word and that is why we find He is the first and the last in the book of Isaiah. He is where the Genesis act of creation began and since He will judge the world through a man He has appointed, He is where it will also end. God the Father created by means of His spoken Word and judges the world through His word at the end of the ages. God the Father will judge the world through him (Acts 17 : 31) and God the Father creates all things anew in him (Col 1 : 16-18; Revelation 21). God the Father now creates all things through the risen Christ, His Word become flesh. The new creation begins and ends at the Father's Word: the risen man, Jesus our Lord. Jehovah's Witnesses are not really exposed, they are Restorationist, for if they were indeed exposed, you'd be out there heeding to Jesus' command instead of them in terms of the foundation of the church, let alone the spread of the gospel, and the belief of Jesus being a representative of God under Shaliah Principle, an angel, has been a practice since the 8th century, heck, even back in the days of Apostle of what he said in the scriptures himself. How are they rejecting his death? These people put their lives at risk for the Great Commission even subject themselves God the Father and adhere to the teachings of which his Son proclaimed by means of Shaliah Principle, you are not being specific. Jesus also asked us to remember and or commemorate in regards to his death and believe in what is to come - the resurrection. Jesus is not God. For Jesus is the Son of God, as everyone in the bible have stated, from angels, to disciples, followers, Pharisees like Nicodemus, to Jews who wanted Jesus dead and succeeded, to demons and even Satan himself. All and all I suggest you learn about scripture and history of Christianity as well as the Bible itself first and this time perhaps chooses your words more wisely with facts instead of what you are being ded by Anti-Christians.
Eyes Wide Open No, but I have been studying them for nearly a decade, as with other faiths including Judaism, Islam (Sunni and Shia), etc. I am a Christian and I have respect for what is true and should any falsehood be brought up, by means of Christian theology and biblical hermeneutics I will confute - something I have been doing on this channel for a while now. However here I am talking about actual facts about jws, on another video I am talking about both Christianity and Islam. That being said, I dislike people who lie and are dishonest and I am able to see if a faith is close to what is true and those who are far from what is true and not be fed misconception, conspiracy and hate by those who are against a faith and such persons only proves those they attack to be true to their word, so in this case you and the people you stick up for are only making jws stronger the same can be said for Muslim opponents. Ironically, only mainstream Christianity is dying off around the world, increased in the EU countries loke the UK and Asia as well as America, however not the minority faiths that include JWs. Also I didn't address before, but I from France, I currently live in the US and I study thr history of Christianity and Religion.
Good video. There is a needed correction. “Jehovah” is not a Greek translation of the Hebrew “Yahweh.” Jehovah is a German transliteration of Yahweh. Hebrew is a consonantal language read from right to left, and scribes later added vowel pointings to retain the pronunciation. But no vowel pointings were added to Yahweh since in Jewish tradition the Name of God was not to be pronounced. Instead, they would say “adonai” which means lord. German theologians took the Hebrew consonants as read from right to left and placed them left to right as they would be read in German-JHVH. Then they took the vowel pointings of adonia (adone in German) and place the corresponding German vowels between the consonants going from right to left. The result is Jehovah. In the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible called the Septuagint the translators translated Yahweh as “kurios” which means “lord.”
The evolution of the name Yahweh to Jehovah has a complex history - for example; the proposed summary would not encompass the Latin aspect in transliteration, as the Hebrew texts translated into Latin and which represented the Tetragrammaton as 'IHVH', it was the European scholars attempts at vocalizing this, that eventually lead to the emergence the pronunciation of 'Jehovah'. That said, this process would not be as straightforward as taking the consonants and placing German vowels between them, as we find the development of the name predates that of Hebrew vowel pointing among European scholars.
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
"I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last" - Isaiah 48:12 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” - Revelation 22:13 This is a bulletproof case. Thank God for his beautiful word.
@Riaz Qureshi my friend the actual bulletproof case is found at Revelation 21-6 and 7 with all due respect you never made a comment on that scripture because that one scripture very explicitly proves that only the father is the Alpha and the Omega. Because nowhere in scripture has Jesus ever called anyone his son or his sons also the father has never called anyone his brothers. Jesus in the scriptures always calls his disciples his brothers not his sons. So if you can show me a scripture where Jesus has ever quoted calling anyone his son's then I will believe that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. Trying to use implied scriptures does not make the trinity the proof that it needs. The scripture that I just showed you is an explicit scripture not an implied scripture like you try to use . Also there is nowhere in the Bible that says that the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. What's interesting in the King James version could not prove the Trinity so they inserted a spurious scripture at 1st John 5:7 but they never said even in that scripture use the word "one God " it just says "one" not the word one God, because one can mean anything one in purpose when an agreement Etc. So anyway my friend just something to think about. And I am not trying to win an argument I am just showing you what the bible really teaches. Thank you for your comments
@@jazzbassf Brother, Revelation 21:6-7 proves my case. The fact that Both Jesus and the Father are saying that statement is bc they are 1 (See John 10:30) Jesus says he is the first and the last multiple times in Revelation the same as YHWH does in Isaiah 48:12 proving their equality in essence. You said there isn't a scripture where the trinity is shown. I thought this too until I read the old testement carefully. Please read these verses showing that yes God is 1 in essence but he has a complex in his nature as being 3 persons: As you can see there are 2 LORD statements here: "Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens." - Genesis 19:24 Also here there are 3 divine persons in isaiah speaking as YHWH": “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” - Isaiah 48:16-17 As you can see even the Old testament knew that God was complex in his unity. And finally in the new Testament proving that Jesus is God: "And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." - Mark 14:62 This verse in Mark is a direct deference to Daniel 7:13-14 showing that the son of man will receive an everlasting dominion and all nations will worship him the same way they worship the father proving that God is multiple in his 1 being.
@@infinityApologeticsClips yes at John 10:30 Jesus says the father and I are one. However I John 17:11 he elaborates what he meant by that he said that his Apostles and him and his father are one. So he's talking about one in purpose and agreements not one God otherwise the apostles would be God too. And of course I don't think you believe in polytheism. But still my friend you haven't shown me a scripture that says that Jesus ever called anyone his sons only the father calls people his sons and you cannot make an assumption the Jesus is one God with the father because of the Alpha and the Omega. That is just an assumption or an implication it's not explicit. In order to convince a person that the Trinity is explicit you would have to show where it says the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. There's not one single scripture in the Bible that says that. Again thank you very much for your comments and many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about the father who is the only true God. And please don't tell me that Jesus must be a false god because he's called the god that would not make sense because the word god means a mighty one you cannot deny the fact that Jesus is a mighty one or a mighty God. He is never called The Almighty God anywhere in the Bible. You can find implications of that but not explicit thank you my friend.
@@jazzbassf Brother, why didn't you comment on my OT verses on the multiplicity in God's nature. Could you please comment on Genesis 19:24 where it shows 2 LORD statements and Isaiah 48:3 where it shows 3 divine persons.
@@infinityApologeticsClips Genesis 19:24 is a figure of speech. There is only one Jehovah they're not two Jehovahs. Deuteronomy 6:4 says listen o Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. And according to that scripture if it wasn't figurative then we would have to Jehovahs so that would be impossible. As to Isaiah 48:12 I do not know what the point is there on Isaiah 48:12?
Exiverence Let us hold firmly the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for the one who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Heb.10:23-25
The link on #5 above doesn’t work, can you fix it? Thank you for the videos! Very helpful, a great reminder that we need to be prepared by studying the word, praying more and doing it all in love.
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
@@elisemccaa17 - He openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is no other way to understand His response to Philip.
@@grahammewburn - In His position and role as the Son - Sure. Christ willingly submitted Himself to the Father. In His essence/nature - No, Christ is not inferior; He has and is the same essence/nature. What I said about John 14:9 stands. Christ openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is absolutely no other way to understand His response to Philip. Here's what happened: In John 14:8, Philip makes a direct request of Jesus: "Show us the Father" Okay - Who is Philip asking to see? Who is meant by the phrase "the Father"? God Himself. Considering the context of who Philip is (a Jew), there is NO other way to understand that. This is irrefutable. Look at the response Jesus gives in verse 9. "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." Using the context of who Philip is, and only meaning possible for the phrase "the Father", Jesus answers and directly tells Philip: "If you've seen Me, you've seen Him. If you've seen Me, you've seen God Himself." This, also, is irrefutable.
In the bible god has many sons not only Jesus Exodus:4:22 Israel is my son, my firstborn Samuel 7:13-14 I will be his Father and he shall be my son (Solomon) Psalm 2:7 You are my son. Today I have begotton you (David) Jeremiah 31:9 For I am a Father to Israel and Ephraim is My firstborn. Luke 3:38 the son of Adam the son of God
@@classickruzer1 not JW is lie a cult the founder claimed he could read Greek and couldn’t even do that when he went to court. He’s no different from Mohammad, Joseph smith and Ellen white
@@thtboyjosh_ Yeah, okay, keep pushing your LIES and PROPAGANDA . You haven't a clue about J W's but want to get on here and vomit your crap like you're an expert. You tell me what lie the J W's are.. I'll wait and I'll disprove everything you say.. Everything by scripture. So come on.. Let's hear it ..
@@classickruzer1 Thanks for your response. It’s always great to dialogue like the Bereans Acts 17:10-12. Are you a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ and making other disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you in Christ? Mentioned 300 times. Doe the Lord Jesus live in you?
Colossians 1:15-17 -- _"Who is the image of the invisible God,_ the firstborn of every creature: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: *all things were created **_by_** Him,* and for Him: And He is before all things, and _by Him all things consist."_ So it clearly states that Jesus is the _image of invisible God Almighty._ Putting that together with John 1:1-3, where John says Jesus is the [Spoken] *WORD* of God? This means that when God _Spoke_ for the first time, God Almighty chose to become visible in Form and this is Who Jesus is: *the visible Form of God Almighty.* This _does not_ at all mean Jesus is somehow separate in power to God Almighty, nor on any lower form of Deity. So any other verse you quote should be interpreted in this light. John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. The same was in the beginning with God. *All things* were *made **_by_** Him;* and *without Him was **_not any thing_** made* that was made." Angels worship Jesus, therefore Jesus _must_ be God Almighty. What do you make of: Genesis 1:26-27 -> "Let *Us* make man in *Our* Image..." ? *US* and *OUR* are *PLURAL* (more than one), and yes, it then goes back to singular. This is clearly showing the *THREE* in *ONE* God clearly spoken of now in the New Testament. ================================================ *Jesus is God Almighty!* John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. The same was in the beginning with God. *All things* were *made **_by_** Him;* and *without Him was **_not any thing_** made* that was made." Angels worship Jesus, therefore Jesus _must_ be God Almighty.
One can only worship God Almighty. The 3 wise men *worshiped* Jesus when He was born: Matthew 2:11 -- "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and *worshiped Him:* and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto Him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh." Jesus *did not* rebuke Thomas when Thomas called Jesus LORD and GOD... John 20:28-29 -- "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, *"My LORD and my GOD."* _Jesus saith unto him,_ *"Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."* Jesus is God Almighty. Matthew 14:33 -- "Then they that were in the ship came and *worshiped Him,* saying, Of a truth Thou art the *Son of God."* Jesus did not rebuke them for *worshiping* Him! One can only worship God Almighty! Jesus came humbly and did not speak plainly to most people when here because He had a mission to complete. He *did* hint at His Divinity a few times, but you have to look for it and be open to accepting the truth! Look at John 8:56-59 -- "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad." Then said the Jews unto him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, *_I AM."_* Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." The Jews picked up stones to cast at Jesus because Jesus was clearly proclaiming to be the *_I AM_* of the Old Testament scriptures, the One GOD Who spoke to Moses and said "I AM that I AM." They wanted to stone Jesus because they thought Him to be committing blasphemy for claiming to be GOD Almighty. - Acts 7:59 -- "And they stoned Stephen, *calling upon **_God,_* and saying, *_Lord Jesus,_* receive my spirit." Stephen knew Jesus is God. Micah 5:2 -- "But thou, *Bethlehem* Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall *He* come forth unto me that is to be *Ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth have been **_from of old,_** from EVERLASTING."* Jesus was born in *Bethlehem!* Isaiah 7:14 -- "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a _virgin shall conceive,_ and bear a *_Son,_* and shall call His name _Immanuel."_ Jesus was born from a virgin! Immanuel means *GOD with us* Read the prophecy of Jesus' coming in *Isaiah 9:6* -- "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The Mighty GOD,* The *Everlasting Father,* The Prince of Peace." Matthew 1:22-23 -- Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the LORD by the prophet, saying: "Behold, *a virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son,* and they shall call His Name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us."* - Isaiah 44:6 -- *"Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; **_I AM the First, and I AM the Last; and beside Me there is no God."_* Isaiah 48:12 -- *"Hearken unto Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I AM He; I AM the First, I also AM the Last."* *Jesus* says in: Revelation 1:8 -- *"I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY."* Revelation 21:6 *"It is done. I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. ..."* Jesus says again in Revelation 22:13 -- *_" I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."_* Many people quote the other verses where Jesus is leading people to not realize His Divinity, but those people do not understand that Jesus spoke that way to most back then because Jesus came to humble Himself and die for us. There are exceptions where Jesus revealed His Divinity, but it had to be for good reason (to provoke pharisees, especially). This was all coordinated. Paul says it clearly in Philippians 2:5-11 -- "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him _the form of a servant,_ and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, *He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death,* even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a Name which is above every name: That at the Name of JESUS _every knee should bow,_ of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father." 1 Timothy 3:16 -- "And without controversy _great is the mystery_ of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." *Jesus is God Almighty!* Revelation 21:3-7 -- "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the *tabernacle of God is with men,* and *He* will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and *God Himself shall be with them,* and be *their God.* And *God* shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And *He that sat upon the throne* said, Behold, *I* make all things new. And *He* said unto me, Write: for these Words are True and Faithful. And *He* said unto me, *It is done. I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.* I Will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of Life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and *I Will be his GOD,* and he shall be My son." ^ What you see above ^ is *JESUS CHRIST* - The ALPHA and OMEGA (Revelation 1:8 ; Revelation 1:11 ; Revelation 22:13 ; Isaiah 41:4 ; Isaiah 44:6 ; Isaiah 48:12) - speaking and He is saying that He Will be their *GOD.* *Yes, Jesus is God Almighty! :)*
@ Liberty and Justice ... my friend the Bible that you are using uses the word by, but in the original Greek the Greek word is Dia which means "through". Why do other Bibles use the word through? And that Bible that you're using which is a biased translation the King James version. New Bible translations use the word through not by. Go to Strong's Concordance and look up the word by and see that it is the Greek word DIA. The Greek word Dia means through not by. So it is "through" not " by ". Everything was created through Jesus not by Jesus. Pretty big difference. The only question for you is why do those other Bible translations use the word through? And by the way many of those Bibles are not the new world translations of the Holy scriptures. So why do they use the word through just like the New World Translation?? It is because the newer Bible translations have discovered that the original Greek word means "through". Just something for you to think about my friend. Many blessings to you, If you can see that Jehovah God created everything "through Jesus not "by" Jesus.Agape
@@amanajs704 my friend, look at Rev 1:1 who gave Jesus the Revelation? And Rev 21:6,7 shows that Alpha Omega has sons, isn't Jesus the Son of God, Jesus never called anyone his sons, he called his disciples his brothers, The Father never called anyone his brothers. AGAPE
@@amanajs704 sorry friend , but why did you not acknowledge my answer to you on Alpha and Omega? Fasting is up to the individual , Agape means Christ's Love
@@---qb1bf Very true. And he is dependent on his God and Farther. Even the life he has is granted him. He says so. And once you worship someone other than yourself you can’t be the same being. God doesn’t worship anyone. That’s what makes him God. The God Jesus worshipped. Jehovah is His Name.
@lary Snw Exactly! Jesus can’t be the God he himself worships. (Revelation 3:12) Even after he is exalted in heaven still has someone God to him. Jehovah is His Name.
bsymph They believe that Jesus is Michael because both of them lead the same people of God out of harm's way, they are both above the angels and both had lead the angels into battle against Satan and his demons, they both also rebuke Satan and they both have an Archangel's voice as well as titles. This belief began in the 8th and or 9th century and had been believed by mostly Restorationist Christians, even beyond the second and third awakening if you count History of Christianity. The only difference is some also believe Jesus/Michael is God while others do not, others believe either an pre-existing Jesus/Michael for Jesus was not Jesus until prior his birth and so forth. This doctrine did not originate with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They, as well as others, even myself, do not believe in hell being the lake of fire and there is a verse that even proves this and what the lake of fire actually is, that is if you adhere to the original source of the bible, in addition to that any man who has read the Hebrew Old Testament they would see how God deals with people who pass people alive through the fire let alone God's emotional reaction and what God had allowed to happen to the likes of Ahaz or that of Menassah, who ended up begging to God via repentance.
bsymph Friend, it is not about doubt or assuming. When it comes to biblical hermeneutics, there is always a how and a why and there are indeed verses in scripture that shows how connected Jesus and Michael were or in this case how is it the pre-existing Jesus, before being called Immanuel or Jesus, his name and status in heaven before he was born of a woman into the law and after becoming the Christ, knowing his position and what is to come and so forth. The problem here is not with Jesus Michael or not, the thing that seems to cause a stirr is Jesus' status of a messenger, a representative of God by means of Shaliah Principle.
I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but I have read the bible. I have a question. Christians are suppose to imitate Jesus, right? My question is...Who did Jesus worship? From what I've read, Jesus, as a Jew, worshiped Jehovah. If a Christian worships any other god and not the true one (like the one Jesus did - Jehovah) then they are not Christians ...they are not imitators of Christ. Can you debate this?
@@r0b0gam3r9 correct rather then saying Jesus is Jehovah it is saying Jesus is lord to the father's glory not his own or our glory... I guess they have different glories but that would kinda debunk they're John 17 theory wouldn't it?
@@r0b0gam3r9 I agree we are both nontrinitarian christians I was raised JW but my biblical understanding has differed slightly, i'm not apostate either as I don't speak against them and I still go to meetings though not as often as I should, just trying to make the truth my own and i'm totally on board that the bible is a henotheist book.
I know this is an old video but there is some incorrect information regarding the word Jehovah. Jehovah is not a Greek word, it is a latinized form of יְהֹוָה and it does not appear in any of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Secondly, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, uses ο κύριος to translate יְהֹוָה. and does not use Jehovah. Jehovah is a poor phonetic transliteration of Yahweh.
You forgot to mention that not only is the word Jehovah not in any Greek NT text but that neither is the word Jesus or the word God. This is because they are English words and so we would not expect to find them in the Greek text. However, there are numerous copies of the Septuagint which still used the ancient Hebrew letters for YHWH and so you appear to be incorrect in this matter. Likewise, there are a number of Jewish scholars on TH-cam insisting that the divine name was pronounced Yehowah (with the W sounding as a v) and certainly NOT Yahweh.
Ewan Kerr JWs themselves admit the YHWH does not exist in the Greek scriptures but they insist in inserting it. Why? They claim the Greek scripture were corrupted. Is so, what else is corrupted? How can anyone trust the Greek scriptures after that? JWs also know that the first time the word Jehovah appeared in writing was in the 13th century when Raymundus Martini, a Catholic monk, translated the YHWH. Why use a Catholic incorrect translation that mixed up ADONAI and YHWH as their name? I don’t get it.
I am sure the JWs can speak for themselves. The divine name does feature in ancient Hebrew in copies of the Septuagint from which the early Christians quoted/copied. It seems a distinct possibility that there may have been copies of the divine name in early copies of the NT which are now lost to us as most if not all the early copies are.I am not aware of the claim that he JWs claim the NT is corrupted and have never seen this in their literature. Perhaps you can provide a reference.They use the name, I guess, because that is the name of God found in the King James Bible and most other English language Bibles of the time. Indeed, there are TH-cam videos by Jewish language and Biblical specialists readily available online who argue that he name must be pronounced Yehowah ( with the W spoken as a V)Few, if any, object to the name Jesus when we know it was most likely Yeshua . But Jesus is the traditional name and has been used for centuries.
Maximus Octavius it does not exist in the Greek scripture they put it in where it’s quoting the Hebrew text where it is in. On this they should of stuck to what the Greek say in the Greek scripture. It’s still accurate I guess in translating but best to stick to what the Greek says. Apart from that it’s a pretty accurate translation
This verse sums it up Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
And when Satan tried to test or tempt Jesus and he brought him up to a high up place and offered him all the glory of the nations & the kingdoms of the earth who did Jesus in response say all the glory belongs to,??????
why would Satan tempt a Mortal Man... born to die in sin... ? Jesus was just Baptized and this is a test He hasn't passed yet . Nobody healed, raised or fed yet - > no Atonement or Resurrection yet Did Jesus get or even share Glory afterwards ? does He now ?
I am not a J.W., OR a Mormon, I am a BORN-AGAIN, BLOOD-BOUGHT, BIBLE-ONLY, TRUE-BLUE, in LOVE with my GOD and His Son--Christian man. But I HAVE to say something here. If there IS ONE area of theology where the J.W.S' are CORRECT--it's this VERY SUBJECT. Christ NEVER said he was God! He ALWAYS GLORIFIED the FATHER. Jesus TALKED to the FATHER--God does NOT talk to Himself. Jesus PRAYED to the FATHER. God does NOT PRAY to HIMSELF. Jesus said things like. "Not MY will, but YOURS (the FATHER'S) be done." Also, "...mine is to do the WILL OF MY (my what?) FATHER." Also: "I can do NOTHING by MYSELF." He said THIS: "My FATHER does the WORK." Jesus even referred to the FATHER as the "ONLY TRUE GOD." The word "Trinity" and ALL those trinitarian "terms" are not only COMPLETELY ABSENT from the pages of Holy Writ, we find their ORIGINS in ancient Greek Mythology, which the Roman Catholic church BORROWED" from! Furthermore, unlike the FATHER, Jesus "came into the world" like you and I. And, just John the Baptist, Christ had to "GROW STRONG IN SPIRIT." WHY. Why did "God" have to "grow strong in spirit?" Dear brother's, answer me this! Scripture CLEARLY declares: God (the FATHER) GAVE Jesus "ALL POWER and AUTHORITY." WHY? Would he not--as GOD--already HAVE this? But what about THIS? Read your New T. CAREFULY; scripture even says God (The FATHER) GAVE Jesus the...HOLY SPIRIT!! Now wait a minute. You are frantically attempting to form some kind of reasonable apologetic, but HONESTLY--how do you QUALIFY your reply in light of these SERIOUS problems? How many times in the Old T. does God (the FATHER) SAY He is NOT A MAN?!? Do you honestly believe baby Jesus was (literally) GOD? Please say you entertain no such foolishness. We know that Jesus spoke as both MAN and GOD. You unwittingly fall "prey" to this somehow PROVING Jesus is God. But you fail to grasp the SIMPLE reason WHY he sometimes speaks the ACTUAL WORDS of the Father. Is this NOT what we would expect from time-to-time? Would the FATHER not speak DIRECTLY THROUGH His "one and only BEGOTTEN Son" now and then? Well, of COURSE He would--and He did! Look at the NAME itself; there's a revelation right THERE! Jesus means, Savior. What does CHRIST mean? It means..."The ANOINTED ONE.." So TELL me, good brother's, WHO anointed WHO? And WHY is it that the FATHER knows the TIME of the Son's return--but the Son himself does NOT? I could go into this MUCH deeper, but if you do not "SEE" it yet, perhaps in time. We are praying for you, beloved brother's and sister's in the faith. My love to you. God (The FATHER) bless you.
raymond Gabrelcik/ Ray, I appreciate your comment & your candidness. Please consider this. John 3:16 is arguably the most famous Script from God's Word. Jesus said, & I implore you to pray on this deeply: that a person either "Has everlasting life, or he perishes." The idea that we have something in us, either "Spirit" or "Soul" that is immortal, is NOT a Bible teaching, it is straight out of Plato's playbook & is indeed a sly variation of that first venomous lie that Satan told Eve, that when you die, you don't really die, ie. your flesh dies but another part of your personhood is indestructible. The Bible states that people will be resurrected by Christ Jesus if they are worthy to receive a resurrection or they will never see the light of day again. When YHWH told Adam, "Son on the day you eat from the tree, you will positively DIE. He didn't even come close to inferring; I'm going to burn you consciously on fire forever. Jehovah is a GOD of.Love & Justice & neither would be applied as a sentence for 70 yrs. of Sin. It would be more like (INSANE) !!! Even more than the Nature of God; the misunderstanding of Hell & what it really is, Confounds my psyche & sensibilities the utmost. The wages Sin pays is Death, we PERISH, we no longer get to enjoy life, it is indeed punishment, it is written, it is biblical. The Lazuras parable is not describing afterlife, it would not reflect conciliation with the rest of Scripture if it was. The Lake of Fire is Symbolic of the second death from which there is no escape, the smoke of which is the emblem of everlasting torment that it represents. That is why it says that (Death.& HELL,ie.the Common Grave of Mankind,) are cast into the Lake of Fire, because Death itself will be swallowed up FOREVER. REVELATION 20:14 KJV Thanx for listening Ray!
One minute , what does it mean when Jesus day, “ you honour me with your lips and not your hearts. The scriptures are written for, about me. The very book of genesis is literally already mentioned just by the names of all. Check out Chuck misslers expose regarding this. Thanks
@@carlgois8579 Carl, Jesus was quoting Isaiah & Isaiah is referring to YHWH//// YAHWEH//// JEHOVAH, JESUS 'FATHER, the ONE JESUS called, "The Only True God! JOHN 17:3 KJV.
@@jerryshunk7152 First of all you are all liars and servants of Satan and here is proof: When the Messiah returns, Yeshua, what Holy Days will we keep during the 1000 years of his reign here on earth? Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. NOT PAGAN CHRISTMAS NOR EASTER WHICH ARE ABOMINATIONS. Easter eggs is from the Pagan tradition of sacrificing babies and dipping eggs into their blood which is why SOME DENOMINATIONS STILL USE RED ONLY! NOT CHRISTMAS NOR EASTER! What about the lies of Satan that we can eat whatever we want? Eating Pigs like some degenerate Pagan? Isaiah 66:15-17 For, behold, YEHOVAH will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will YEHOVAH plead with all flesh: and the slain of YEHOVAH shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, AND THE ABOMINATION, AND THE MOUSE, SHALL BE CONSUMED TOGETHER, SAITH YEHOVAH. What about the true Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset? Jesus WAS A JEW! He kept the Torah! Sin is the TRANSGRESSION OF THE TORAH! He attended the synagogue on the SABBATH NOT Sunday! Here is what YEHOVAH prophecies in Isaiah about HIS SABBATH and how ALL THE NATIONS WILL KEEP IT ALONG WITH ISRAEL WHO ARE BROUGHT BACK TO ISRAEL: Isaiah 56:6-8 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to YEHOVAH, to serve him, and to love the name of YEHOVAH, to be his servants, every one that KEEPETH THE SABBATH FROM POLLUTING IT, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; FOR MINE HOUSE SHALL BEf CALLED AN HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE. 8YEHOVAH GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. Satan has replaced Torah with false religions of Judaism , Catholicism, and Protestantism along with the European DEATH CULT RELIGIONS of Humanism, Darwinism, and Socialism/Communism. This is why you send your kids to school to be radicalized into FAR LEFT SATANISTS! This is the fruit of False Judaism and Christianity! Yea, Yeshua is a man NOT GOD! HE DIED AND DOESN'T KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR OF HIS COMING EXCEPT YEHOVAH! HOW CAN A GOD NOT KNOW EVEN OF HIS SECOND COMING?!?!?!?!?!? ISAIAH 45:5 I am YEHOVAH, and THERE IS NO ONE ELSE, THERE IS NO God BESIDE ME: I girded thee, THOUGH HAS NOT KNOWN ME:
JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
IS THE TRINITY REASONABLE? · God asked himself and offered himself as sacrifice to himself to go to earth to save mankind himself. · Then he agreed with himself and offered himself as volunteer to do it himself. · Then he impregnated a woman with his Holy Spirit (which is also himself) to give birth to himself. · While on earth, God prayed to himself (John 17:1) and glorified himself repeatedly. · He prayed to himself and offered supplications (Heb 5:7-8) to himself because he needed to strengthen himself. · Finally, God forsook himself (Mat 27:46) and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself (Heb 3:2,6). · While dead, he resurrected himself (Acts 2:24), so that he could exalt himself above himself (Acts 2:33). · Then he sat at his own right hand (Heb 1:3, Psalm 110:1) and waited for himself to place his enemies as a footstool under his own feet (1Cor 15:25). Respectfully, I CANNOT make any sense of this!!!
YHWH and Jehovah are two different ways to pronounce the same word in the Hebrew (יהוה), I think he is confused with the Greek word Kurios (Κυριοσ) translated as Lord in the NT. The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament clearly translates YHWH as kurios which means lord or master).
@@spyben3 Yes the name Jehovah was invented by a Spanish Catholic Monk in the year 1270 AD coming from the YHWH . Vowels were inserted between the consonants to come up with the name Jehovah and this name was never before this time used. Yahweh would be a better name and more accurate.
Mocking the witnesses for their ministry is also a strange comment as the bibles continued theme is to go and make disciples which is the point of ministry?? Surely
I don't mock them as much as I refute them. Because the Jesus the JWs preach is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. And the way of salvation they preach is NOT the way of salvation presented in the Bible. They present a false Christ and a false message of salvation. All going door to door does is deceive the ignorant and lock them even more into being alienated from God and salvation.
@@ben3025 - No, ben. It's not foolish - It's true, and I can actually prove that it's true. The only question now is - Do you have the courage to see the proof?
@@jamesritter5078 jesus isnt bad, jesus is a way to god, he just isnt god himself. He's the son of god. The question is are you part of the 144 thousand? Who knows lol but it doesnt matter there is still a paradise on earth for the righteous ones after the final battle is over; satan is imprisoned.
I had a JW read out Isaiah 9.6 and asked her who it was about. She looked shocked and uncomfortable like she had never seen this verse before. She answered 'Jesus' I said who is the Prince of Peace? 'Jesus.'. Who is Everlasting Father? 'Jesus.'. Who is mighty God? 'Jesus.' She couldn't deny what she read. She became soooo angry and left. Gave her food for thought there
No food for thought required as nothing perplexing about Jesus being called Mighty God. Did you ignore the beginning of Is 9:6 for it says *And his name shall be called* So it’s a reference to a title, office or name not an ontological status. Now if you can show a text stating in any manner Jesus *is* Almighty God then you have something.
I'm surprised she seemed shocked as we love this verse as JW's, it comes up often in our study. Even more surprised she "got angry", as I can't understand why...it's a bit strange. Regardless... when you read that verse, and you read "everlasting father", do you therefore believe Jesus is THE Father? As in the one he told us to pray to in matt6:9,10? Don't trinitarians call that "modalism"? Apparently it's another heresy. Could it be something to do with his role as the "last Adam"? After all the next verse tells us it is YHWH that makes it possible for Jesus to receive all those awesome titles. Isa9:10 ASV "...The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this."
your right jesus is a representation of his father....but not the father...and when he was being baptized...who was speaking from heaven....jesus again or was it God his father......and again jesus spoke about not doing his will but the will of the father....was he talking about himself again....No...it was Jehovah the one who sent him..
Simeon Llewellyn Water is not ice and ice is not vapor/steam..... but yet they are all still H20 just different forms. God is like this,.... different but the same. Yet God is more complex than water lol... Is the God of the entire universe so simple that humans can understand him? unless he himself reveals the knowledge.
Wtf? I am simba son of muffasa! All through out the bible this pattern is all through out the bible hundreds of times and it always mean exactly what it says! But this one time you think it needs explaining? ,Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do!....so he was talking to who himself? .......congratulations you should hook up with the Lord and shot a theocratic version of the movie split! If we are created in his image....name one normal human considered healthy with multiple people in his head?
@@j.wat.3437 Wow, this new TH-cam update absolutely sucks. I literally just found all your comments since last week. I didn't even know you replied. This is why I like the older ways. They actually work. Anyway, I managed to find a couple of verses in reference to God in the Old Testament, confirmed by Jesus in the New. One of these verses include Zechariah 12:10, confirmed in John 19:37. Zechariah 12 is all about God and his people Israel, with God speaking. You can tell that it's God because the phrase "saith the LORD" is used, which is the same in translation as "saith Jehovah." With that context in mind it can very well be understood that the pronouns "I" and "me" are a direct refrence by Jehovah God to himself, and the pronoun "they" is in relation to the Nation of Israel. Zechariah 12:10: "And *I* will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon *me* whom they have pierced..." John 19 quotes this verse in refrence to the soldiers piercing "him" with a spear. John 19:36-37 "For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on *him* whom they pierced." The problem arises when one understands that Jesus was the one pierced with a spear, not the Father. This contradicts the idea that the Father was speaking in Zechariah 12:10 and upholds the fact that Jesus is Jehovah God.
@@ingodwetrust7778 it's good to hear from you! And you're right spot on. That is Jehovah talking in the 12 chapter of Zachariah. The book is referring to the temple being rebuilt, the protection of the Nation and the restoration of true worship. The Almighty speaks it. Jesus was pierced just as Jehovah God said. But we cannot overlook that it was Jesus hanging up there. It was Jesus crying out " my God my God ." The pain that Jehovah felt was seeing his son suffer, but the joy of him doing it. Remember it was Jehovah's purpose for Jesus to go through this. For the purpose that we can be reconciled to God. This reconciliation was in the future. After his death and resurrection he entered heaven again. He has built the heavenly temple and restored true worship in the " time of the end." Who leads it? Who should we follow? The appointed King, Prince, Ruler, Head of the Christian Congregation. Jesus Christ. The Israel of God is heavenly.
Trinitarians have nothing to stand on but the twisting of the scriptures that they read or those they ignore. When I was a kid, growing up in church, I was the one kid that had the job in getting the Lord's Prayer started. Cute as it was, I questioned the words and admitted something that grown-ups to this day will not do. You don't even understand the prayer that you quote! Is this a chant that Jesus wanted you to just say? Please turn to it, read it. Every 4 or 5 words stop, think and meditate on Jesus words.
If that is truly the case, and if you are a JW, you will leave them. Because in terms of truth, the JWs have a false Christ and a false way of salvation.
Worship the creator/God (Jehovah) not the creation/first born......(Romans 1:25) And Satan tempted Jesus, What did Jesus say...???? (Matt. 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: (Satan): "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'"
@@geraldsutton9981 notice too my brother that it says "him alone" which means no one but the Father. Jesus never said to "we alone" but Trinitarians can never see the true light. Blessings my brother🙂🙏
So, you did not actually answer the question you posed. So, there is nothing from this video that I can use to convince a JW. So far you have proved that Jesus said "I am He" and that he said he existed before Abraham. Why pose a question to which you have no convincing answer?
Neil Pittsley John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 8 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 5 23 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him Philippians 2:9-11King James Version (KJV) 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. revelation 1:17 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. John 51-56 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: “The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. ‘The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence’ [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth].”
The Apostle Paul (Hand picked by Jesus) said on Several occasions: BLESSED BE THE GOD & FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!! So the Apostle who wrote 14 BOOKS of God's word the bible said that Jesus has a 1. GOD 2. FATHER Listen folks carefully YOU CANNOT BE GOD IF YOU HAVE A GOD!!!!!
“Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, the sceptre of thy kingdom _is_ a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness, therefore God, *thy God,* hath anointed thee...” (Psalm 45:6-7) God has a God. What God? “But *unto the Son* _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou Hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore God, _even_ *thy God,* hath annointed thee...” (Hebrews 1:8-9) God has a God. This God is Jesus. Jesus' God is God the Father. Jesus is God.
@@ingodwetrust7778 A JW won't interpret that verse the same way because they perverted it in their NWT version. Their version says, "O god" instead of "O God".
@@ingodwetrust7778 They will just say that they are monotheistic because Jesus is not the "Almighty God". I've heard them say he was "godlike", and some even described him as a "demigod" but none of them believe he is God. Utter ridiculousness.
The Watchtower clearly knows that the name ‘Jehovah’ was derived by the Jewish Catholic monk (Raymundus Martini about 1250 'ish) by inserting some vowels into YHWH. Now, doesn’t that clearly mean they know that Jehovah is not the true name of the Almighty God? And it is not a GREEK translation as mentioned @ 2:00. Also, Jehovah is NOT mentioned in the Greek of the NT ever!
The true name of GOD was revealed to mankind in Exodus 3.15 With that said, the true name of GOD was written in Hebrew and therefore clearly not 'Jehovah', whereas Jehovah, is a transliteration of the original Hebrew name, and quite obviously not the true name or pronunciation. It has been my observation that the majority of the arguments surrounding this particular topic are riddled with confusion and all out ignorance - as people tend to get their panties up in a bunch over something that is completely notwithstanding.
@@SmalltimR JWs claim the way to salvation is the use of the divine name "Jehovah" in worship, ”Salvation - What It Really Means,” Watchtower, August 15, 1997 LOL, the also say its a misspelled, mispronounced name for God. Let Your Name Be Sanctified book & AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower and Bible Tract Society p884-885 - literature elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270
Who anointed and resurrected Jesus? Acts 4: On hearing this, Peter and John raised their voices with one accord to God and said: 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against JEHOVAH and against HIS ANOINTED ONE. 27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS, 'WHOM YOU ANOINTED', 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur THROUGH THE NAME OF YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS. Acts 5:30 Peter and John said: The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus
John 20:17, Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. THIS SCRIPTURE IS PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD.
Jesus "if you destroy this temple , I will raise it up again in 3 days" He was talking about his body. Doubting Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God".
@Tru Man, when Jesus said my Lord and my God in the original Greek it says the Lord of me and the god of me, so Jesus was talking about two persons because at John 20:31 he told Mary not to touch him because he was Ascending to his God and her God so, God cannot have someone who is God to him. And then at John 20:31 the Apostle John said that people may know that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son. The scriptures are pretty clear and explicit my friend , trying to use implied scriptures does not make that scripture say that Jesus is God. Many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about who is the true God. According To Jesus at John 17:3 he prayed to his father and said " this means everlasting life their knowing you the "only" true God and the one you sent forth, Jesus Christ. So Jesus himself said that the father is the "only" true God. There isn't a single scripture in the Bible that says that Jesus is the "only" true God!. Notice the word "only" .
@@Hello-ro8fq I never mentioned in my comment that you said "Jesus Christ is called lord so he must be God." You on the other hand make mention of various instances where certain titles are used when speaking of both Jehovah and Jesus. Titles such as Lord, Savior, etc,. You're using rhetorical questions in order to imply that Jesus is God. You therefore don't have to actually say "Jesus is called Lord and Jehovah is called Lord, therefore Jesus must be God."
Prophet Nathan so please tell me ,is Jesus not God? We Baptize in the Name of the Father,the Son and the Holy Ghost. So that's makes three and to me it says that Jesus is not God,but the Son of God. Please correct me if I am wrong.
@@jazzbassf Doubting Thomas said my Lord and my God to Jesus. He was talking to Jesus. And Jesus didn't correct him. Thomas called just his Lord and His God. Lord of me God of me. Same thing.
I promise you, all you have to do is respectfully tell your neighbor that you're not interested in engaging in spiritual conversations with him and agree to disagree. It's possible to remain good neighbors while respecting your differences and boundaries. Those with strong faith will be motivated to share their beliefs with others, but if it's a bother simply say that and move along. Just a suggestion =-)
If Jesus was saying before Abraham I am and not I was or existed. Then from what you are saying he was making a clear statement that he was god! They would of shouted blasphemy saying you are god! However they didn’t. They threw stones at him because he had shown them for what they were hypocritical. But not one person shouted blasphemy or said you are calling yourself god!
Sun Cycles 2000 do you know of the 42 negative commandments in the pyramids of Egypt that the romans found?...... I hope you don’t because there is a lot of misinformation and foolishness that enemy uses to turn people away from God.
That's interesting that you agree that Jehovah is the english version of the Greek Translation of Gods Name.( Sorry , the most holy name of God) And it's also true that the name of God ( Tetragrammaton / YHWH or JHVH are articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah) That name was replaced by Jewish Superstition with titles such as Adonai , Abba , Elohim ( Which the pagan nation of Canaan also called their God) and so forth. These ether were titles such as lord or meanings much like a quality or a power, but not a name. Where God's name has been replaced in many bibles in over 6800 areas , It's usually been replaced with all capital letters such as GOD and so forth. There are a few places that most bibles didn't completely remove it because the verse would have been completely senseless. In the King James and most other bibles , they actually left God's name in the Bible at Psalms 83:18 where it says: That men may KNOW that thou , whose name ALONE IS JEHOVAH , art the most high over the earth. Now if you put Gods name ( Yahweh or Jehovah ) back into the over 6800 verses its been replaced with titles , the whole conception of the bible would be completely different. It would be impossible to come up with a mystical teaching such as the trinity. It never was part of the early christian teachings and never showed up until the forth century , long after the completion of the bible . There's an unlimited amount of documentation on that. So , the 100's of times Jesus mentioned different things about his Father , His God and Their (The Christians that were there when he said it)God and how when he was baptized the people heard Gods Voice say this is my Son and how he's referred to as the only begotten son , That the bible would actually make sense.
Hey Geo Bla I was hoping you could answer this for me. Isaiah 44:6King James Version (KJV) 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:17-18King James Version (KJV) 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 2:8King James Version (KJV) 8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
@Arthur Donehower it is amazing how Trinitarians will not answer your question and try to blindly dance around the answer , which is so obvious and reasonable my friend. Are you a JW?
@@arthurdonehower6115 excellent my brother, it's always nice to talk to a reasonable person, who does not twist the scriptures to prove a false narrative. Blessings
Honestly I’m glad we have the truth. And the always rejoice convention was literally so good😭💖Jehovah is letting us know we are not alone in this horrible world
explaination until the last two minutes, i got lost in all those verses. We have johos in australia too. Not so many but enough to know they are out there. Greetings all
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you reach to the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
The dogma that Constantine championed was intended to put an end to dissensions within the fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore Jesus, “the Mother of God?
I am not religious but I do appreciate studying it from a Theological perspective. I’m not sold on the Trinity if I’m being honest. Not only is the word not used in the Bible (which you explained) but I struggle with it for the following reasons: A) Jesus prayed to his Father. In fact when he was dying he asked his Father why he had forsaken him? Seems odd that Jesus would pray to himself? B) Jesus was resurrected. Why would God need to die am earthly death and did he resurrect himself? C) Jesus is referred in Scripture as God’s only begotten Son. Again either God and Jesus are 2 distinct entities or God talks to himself (no disrespect) D) The concept of a Triune Deity predates Christianity and I feel that all signs of the Trinity point to a repackaged pagan origin. I am by no means closed minded and in my heart I’m always searching for the truth when it comes to my relation to the universe as a whole. I also appreciate your perspective and the respect you show to others who think differently.
The trinity doctrine is predicated-upon the existence of a triune god, that is to say, a god that is one being in three person. Now to be fair, there are many variations and theological expansions as well as sub-definitions of the otherwise, simple definition cited here - though for the most part, this would constitute the primary component of trinity doctrine. With that said, and with respect to the technical aspects of the so-called triune god, it is also worth noting that the onset of the persons of the godhead interacting with one another is generally reconciled by means of individual persons of the single being(or substance) of GOD who is one. Now to be completely fair, I would not drag this out by playing the devil's advocate with apologetics and a defense of a doctrine that is far too controversial to be the truth of scripture, and of an infamous god who is is never actually established in scripture. That is to say; that there are no actual declarations, definitions or revelations of such a god(triune) found anywhere in scripture, just as there there are no records of anyone worshiping, teaching or preaching of such a god at any point in Bible history. And so while there is no shortage of those believing they can justify such a god by means of proof-texts and residual arguments from scripture, it remains that they do-so without ever having established said god to begin with, making the doctrine one very big case of circular reasoning - as proponents of the belief find themselves justifying their belief, by means of supporting texts for a god that is never actually substantiated. In addition to this, and to make matters worse, what declarations are written with regard to GOD's nature, prove to be the exact opposite of a triune god, as we find the GOD who sent Jesus to save mankind declaring Himself the source and cause of all things alone and by Himself; _Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24 Therefore and much to the detriment of trinitarians, the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ, is not triune at all, but instead, the singular source from which all things are. Leaving no room whatsoever for any other; person, being, or otherwise. And finally, and to conclude matters, the only recourse for trinitarians with this, is to invoke the being(or substance) vs person argument, in-an attempt to avert the contradiction of one GOD who is alone and by Himself. Thus concluding that the GOD(YHWH) speaking the declaration is none other than the being(or substance), who is one GOD alone. However and as the terms used in the declaration(see; alone and by Myself), are entirely personal in nature, trinitarians are therefore forced to admit one of the persons of the triune godhead in order to qualify the declaration, therefore forfeiting their triune god in the process, as there can be no such condition as 'alone' and 'by myself' within the godhead. - hope this little write-up proves useful to you, and GOD bless!
id say its easier to understand if you read the bible thinking Paul had a particular view, John had a different view, The authors of all the gospels had different ideas.... then as the decades passed Christians worked to mesh it all together in a variety of different ways.
A PROTESTANT publication states: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”-New Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.” And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”
Similarly, in his book The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: “The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the “Old Testament”] suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers.”-
@Alexandria You said the nwt altered to "I have been" here are a list of other no witness bibles that say the same or similar thing > 1869: "From before Abraham was, I have been." The New Testament, by G. R. > Noyes. > > 1935: "I existed before Abraham was born!" The Bible-An American Translation, > by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. why do these bible translations say the same thing as nwt ? The expression at John 8:58 is quite different from the one used at Exodus > 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or a title but as a means of explaining > his prehuman existence. Hence, note how some other Bible versions render John > 8:58: above
@@olmeckrav there almost 70 other translation that translates John 1:1 the same way as the NWT did you know that my friend? What do they see that they agree with the NWT ?
Herre is just a small sample of the many bible translations that translates John 1:1 and the word was a god 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) " - A New Emphatic Version (right hand column) 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885) 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17] 1924: "the Logos was divine" - The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[18] 1935: "and the Word was divine" - The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.[19] 1955: "so the Word was divine" - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.[20] 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958); so with this small sample we can see that these translations agree with the NWT and this was before the NWT came into existence in 1950
jazzbassf fenderjazz That’s interesting. But there is no other God, true God, than YHWH. So how can Jesus be a true god? And see how many translations don’t add the “a” and the little g (god) to John 1:1 - www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%201%3A
@4:11 you made a mistake. You said they put a definite article, “the Word was a god” (JW translation). The word or letter “a” is not a definite article, as you mentioned. The definite article is the word “the”. The letter or word “a” is the Indefinite Article, whereas the word “the” is the definite article.
So true. And it's so funny that ALL Bible translators put the indefinite article ("a") in front of god at Acts 28:6 because the context rightly leads them to do so. In fairness, the same should be applied to John 1:1
@lary Snw The New World Translation is not regarded by any credible translation scholar as being an accurate translation. It is regarded (rightly) as actually a perversion, put out by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jason BeDuhn is sometimes appealed to as a "scholar" who endorses the NWT. He is a professor of religious studies. That is not by ANY means the same thing as an accredited translation scholar. JWs are told by their leaders (whom they follow with no questions, so “masters” is a more accurate term than leaders) that the people who put it together were well-qualified to do so. Okay so who are they and what and where are their credentials in translation studies? If the JW claim of them being well-qualified is true, then produce the names and credentials so everyone can see for themselves. But that doesn't happen. The truth is - When anyone reads the NWT, they are reading a book that was put together by people whom you have no idea at all whether they were qualified to do translation work. The NWT was created by the JWs in order to say what their doctrines say - Their doctrines came first - then the NWT was created to back them. This is totally backwards. Seriously - Think about this - The JW doctrines came first, and then a "Bible" was created that supports them. Does that sound "right" to you? No one need take my word for this - Go here and make up your own mind: www.gotquestions.org/New-World-Translation.html
@@soundsgood5314 It has nothing to do with fairness. They are different grammatical constuctions. Grammatical constuctions are part of the context you just mentioned. For a detailed grammatical analysis of John 1:1 and 8:58, see: Bowman, Robert M. Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus Christ, and the Gospel of John. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1989.
na' ah mean? So true. "Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,[a] for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Is there a God other than the God of Jesus and Mary?
@@TheCaledonianBoy, "The Father and I are ONE. If you've seen me you've seen the Father. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD." And the WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. The WORD is clearly referring to Jesus correct???
Jesus is the son of GOD. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He is the mediator between GOD and man! The only begotten son of GOD! The mediator between GOD and man, sent by GOD!
Jesus is God in the flesh. Read Isaiah 9:6 and believe that Jesus himself is the Creator. The name of Jesus is above any other name and He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. God bless you
The King James Bible was written with a Trinity in mind. People with Babylonian pagan beliefs insisted that they're Triune god be included with the writing of the king James in the 16th century. The original Aramaic and Greek scriptures had already been finished by the last apostle of Jesus Christ in the 1st century A.D. There was nothing more to add or take away. The complete 66 books were done. They were the only books inspired of God ( 2 Tim. 3:16 ). All other copies hence- forth were to reprint the books according to the centuries' language. But the true meaning of the scripture was to remain intact. Another word could be used to simplify the verse, but it had to stay in its context. It was not to veer off with words that did not agree with the true meaning and it had to comply and not contradict with other verses or books. John 1:1 is an example of the deliberate word change that does not agree with the original Christian Greek scriptures. It contradicts other passages and offsets the whole teaching of the inspired writings. Most of the king James Bible is reliable, but use caution and wisdom by prayer for understanding. And another example again is the name of God. The King James has replaced the name JEHOVAH with "Lord", a title. Why? The Trinitarians who wrote it found a good way to hide the name because Jehovah separated him from his son Jesus Christ. Each one having his own name. How could they be a Trinity if they were apart having their own personal existence one from the other? But God made sure his name was in that Bible, his book, he's the author, and owner and had the right to intervene when he saw the need. You can find his name at Psalms 83:18. How odd. At Psalms 42: 8, it says: I am the LORD, that is my name... which is it? These verses do not agree. Who then is the LORD? There are many gods and many Lords. To whom is it re- fering? It proves the King James Bible contradicts itself. Those using this Bible are being misled and should look into its authenticity. It is a Trinitarian Bible. Not that you should throw it away into the trash, you can still learn much from it just reexam- ine the Trinity doctrine in it and save yourself a lot of confusion. May Jehovah be with you and shed the scales from your eyes that refreshing blessings may come upon you. And pray to him only, through his first-born son. Shun pagan doctrines. Do some research on Triune gods that were worshiped long age. Archeologist have found many idols centuries old with three heads. That's a good place to start. Jehovah expects us to use our common sense.
#1 Wherenin the bible does it read that Yahweh Gave authority to forgive sins? #2 Why did the Pharisees wanted to stone Yeshua? #3 John 17:5 ..."with the glory I (Yeshua) had before." #4 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. #5 Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. #6 Luke 17:15,18 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. #7 Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. #8 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. #9 1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. #10 Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Please Guy dont get me started on how the Council of Nicea Approved Canon Honours and Glorifies Jesus Yeshua as God in the Godhead. And last but not least, #11 Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. This my favorite, all will bow including God the Fathers. The term LORD in Hebrew is Adonai And in Greek is Kyrios which in actuality is GOD.
Jesus is divine. He has to be for Him to be the Saviour of the world. If Jesus is not God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?
His sacrifice saves us as it paid the ransom required. Adam forfeited perfect human life. The ransom price was beyond any of his descendants to pay, as we are all born imperfect. (Ps49:7). God's perfect justice required like for like. Soul for soul. Jesus was transferred to the womb of Mary and born a perfect human. "The last Adam".. He was able to pay the debt Adam left mankind in. Matt20:28. Rom5. Massive love on the part of both God, in sending his only begotten son, and also in Jesus, by willingly giving his life to give us a hope we could never have without his sacrifice.
Because you understand the trinity wrongly. Years ago watchtower had a document on the Trinity. Once they were shown there understanding of the trinity were wrong this document diaappeared. Jesus is not the Father, and just like my human father, He was greater. But I am just as human as my own father, so Jesus being the Son is just as" God "as His Father. People believing in Monolism believe Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the HS. But this is NOT the trinity concept. The Father plays a role, So does the Son and so does the H S. While Jesus was on earth the Father gave Him aname exalted above everyname. Not every "other" NWT name. But Every name. All other available bible will say "all names". Check in your Inter linear Greek translation, under the Greek its correct, "every name", but right hand side off the greek / english the added. (other). Check what the bible says in Rev 22. when you add words to Gods bible, specially when it changes the meaning, or take words away. The leadership/ GB have lots of guts to change the words of the All Mighty God , but their day will come, they will wish theyhave never been born. Dont believe me, check in your translation book, there are many more such mistakes. I have nothing to gain, you have a lot to loose,
Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, The book teaches it rather u like it or not!
@NOBO Takoda actually it does say it if u understand that being equal to God means u are God for no creation can be equal to the creator! John 17 3 This verse is used alot please stop using it there is only one God so this can be applied to jesus and the hs There is only one God!
Hebrews 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4 So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. 5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?
and yet you quoted verse 5 but hadnt got a clue what you quoted... 5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? To which of the angels....NONE! NO ANGEL WAS EVER CALLED THE SON OF GOD.
He sat down at God's right hand? That means that there are 2 seats? One is the God seat and the other is the Son seat. Does the Holy Ghost have a place to sit? Maybe they rotate? Do they work shifts? Hey! " holy ghost, you go handle this one ok" or do they work on automatic? I'm just trying to understand how you think this tri-God works. Moses said " listen oh Israel, Jehovah our God is One Jehovah " Jesus ( the Son of Jehovah ) quoted those very words. That image that they have made of the 3 God head looks like a Spielberg creature. It's scary looking. One head, with four eyes, 3 noses, with 2 ears. We fear our God cause we don't want to hurt or disappoint him. Jehovah our God is love. Not a Godzilla creature.
@@j.wat.3437 REGGIE - YOU JUST SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT!!!! How many thrones are there in heaven? Think about what you just wrote....THIS IS PRICELESS!!! OMG I cant believe you wrote this and didnt think to try and fit your own doctrine into this statement instead of thinking about the very thing you attacked... ONE GOD. ONE THRONE. You honestly think Christ sits next to his Daddy on another throne. HOW MANY THRONES ARE THERE IN HEAVEN. I WANT SCRIPTURE AND VERSE. I;ll give you a clue, its in Revelation. This is brilliant!!! Reggie your biblical knowledge has been absolutely appalling, but this takes the biscuit.
@@HenriettaMRiley I'm glad you enjoyed me having fun! You think that I could do stand up comedy? And I really don't enjoy making any feel bad about who and what they choose to worship. But I make no apologies for standing, and speaking the truth. The almighty God Jehovah and his son Jesus has been lied on a badly misrepresented by the trinity that his word dose not even say the word.
@@j.wat.3437 Reggie, Yes you could do stand up comedy as that is laughable and completely against scripture as I stated. Im dealing with the issue of your taught doctrinal statement of the 'throne'. Stick with the subject at hand and try not to do the usual JW thing - deflection. HOW MANY THRONES ARE IN HEAVEN. ONE GOD Reggie who sits on the Throne remember..... Where is God going to sit after someone takes his seat! HOW MANY THRONES REGGIE?
John 8:18 " I am one who bears witness about myself, AND the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Jesus is not God Almighty not the Father. Vs: 26 " the One who sent me is true, and the very things I HEARD from him" 28 and 29 " after you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own initiative, but just as the Father who sent me, I speak these things. And the ONE who sent me is with me, he did not abandon me to myself because I always do the things PLEASING to him. Can that be any clearer? This truth about Jesus can set one free. Jehovah's Witnesses know and accept the truth about Jesus. It's our commission from the " master worker " to teach and explain the truth about Jesus.
Regular Hamster exactly , I don’t understand all this hatred and bash on JW. If you simply read and study the Bible there’s nothing wrong with what they’re saying
John 1:18 says, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god ( which is jesus christ ) who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. This means that god is not jesus because it says he was by his side not him.
minor discrepancy, Jehovah is not the Greek translation of the Hebrew Yahweh. it's a hybrid word created by the masoretes and first used by a Spanish Catholic monk by the name of Raymondus Martini in the 1290s.
NOTICE THIS! Forward to 3:14. He mentions Jesus question to his apostles about who they believed he was (Matthew 16:15), but he stops right there and doesn't read the next verse! Matthew 16:16, Peter answers " you are the Christ, the Son of the living God" and Jesus goes on to confirm that Peter answered correctly in the next verse. Trinitarians have to avoid so many scriptures in order to try to convince people of the Trinity. Read your Bible for yourself, do your own research. Never stop studying and learning and praying for wisdom
*[Almighty God Appoints other gods]* Just because someone bears the title *"GOD,"* this does not make them *worthy of being worshipped!* Worship belongs to Almighty God The Father alone, Jehovah (Yahweh). 🚩 *Angels are gods* 🛑 So, if Almighty God appoints angels as *gods* in Hebrew & Greek Texts (Old & New Testament), are they *"false" gods?* 🤔 *[Authorized King James Version]* • *Job 1:6; 2:1* - Angels are called *sons of God* *[Heb: benehʹha·ʼElo·himʹ ]* • *Psalm 8:5[a]* - For thou *[Almighty God]* hast made him *[Jesus]* a little lower than the angels *ʼ(elo·himʹ* /🚩 *gods;* LXX Greek Septuagint) • *Hebrews 2:9[a]* - But we see *Jesus,* who was *made a little lower than the angels* *[Reference]* *Lexicon for Latin Vulgate translation of the Holy Bible* (1958), page 51, page 134: *Angels are called:* • *(individual) divine beings* • *gods* 🚩 • *"the (single) gods* 🚩 🚩 *Humans are called gods* • *Exodus 7:1 (KJV)* - GOD [Yahweh / Jehovah] appoints Moses as *[a] god* over Pharaoh (KJV) ▪︎ *Was Moses a false god? 🤔 No!* ▪︎ *Was Moses "Almighty God?" 🤔 No!* • *Psalm 82:1* - *God* stands in the divine convention, pronounces judgment *in the midst of "gods."* *Were these False Gods?* 🤔 *(This verse refers to "GOD" ruling over the Israelite Leaders)* • *Psalm 82:6* - I have said, *‘You are gods,* All of you are sons of the Most High. *(same here)* • *John 10:34* - Jesus answered them: *“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?* *(Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6 to the Jewish Leaders) ~~~~~~~~~ *[What Does "GOD" Mean?]* The Hebrew word *'El* [In English- God] is a TITLE (not a name)... It denotes "might & strength" *[Mighty One or Strong One]* ~~~~~~~ 🚩 *JESUS / Mighty God* *The Real Truth About "Mighty God"* *[Isaiah 9:6]* It is true that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is prophetically referred to as *"Mighty God" (Hebrew, ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ).* So is the Father in some texts.... Yet, no where in scripture is Jesus ever referred to as *God Almighty (Hebrew ʼEl Shad·daiʹ)* as in Gen. 17:1) This title *ONLY* applies to the Father *(YHWH: Yahweh* or *Jehovah in English).*
@@jahtruthdefender Good. I would have shared it earlier, but when I do, they don't come back. If you still have the 1984 ed. Of the NWT, turn to page 1547 and you will see this: [ ] Brackets enclosed words INSERTED to complete the sense of the English text Now read Col.1:15-17 and notice the word OTHER in brackets, so now we know that this word has been INSERTED. Read it without the word OTHER and tell me what does that tell you who Jesus is? Creator. Now go get your latest translation,the silver sword as they say. Read Col. 1:15-17, and you will now notice that the word OTHER is still in the scripture WITHOUT the brackets after ADMITTING it was INSERTED.That my friend is changing God's word. Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. Read Genesis 2:1,2 where it says that God brought creation to it's COMPLETION. Read Isaiah 44:24 where it says that God HIMSELF created EVERYTHING and asked who was with me? Also read Isaiah 45:12 while you're here. Notice the word MYSELF? So here's a question, what was the OTHER THINGS that Jesus created and when?
john 8:57-58 when Jesus says" I am" he's making a temporal statement about his existence in answer to their question you are not yet 50 years old, and still, you have seen Abraham?” .. the thing is jesus existed before time even began so saying I am is him try to explain existed before time
When you don't have a solid foundation you end up with thousands of denominations full of people asserting they have the answers. Find a better foundation.
Apologetic Evangelist Do you read the Holy bible? Matt 16:13-17 John 20:31 Jesus isn’t Jehovah. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Plain and simple, you don’t have to add your private interpretation. Interpretation belongs to Jehovah only. Gen 40:8
@@malcomjones2857 The only way is to let scripture interpret scripture. Yes those scriptures clearly state Jesus 'titles'. I'm speaking about His name.... the biggest revelation about God through scripture, that He exists in 3 coequal and coeternal persons. So, what was the preincarnate Jesus name? Hint... it was not Michael. Heb 1:3-5
Apologetic Evangelist Do you believe God’s words are infallible? Tittles , are you kidding me. So your calling Jehovah a liar. Jehovah never said he was Jesus. Jehovah never said he was the Christ. Why would God the creator be anointed, he’s the Almighty God.He does the anointing. What the hell is a Apologetic Evangelist? Matt 16:17 Revealed by Jehovah by the Almighty God to Simon Peter that Jesus is God’s Son. Plain and simple. Where do you get Jesus is Jehovah?
At 3:20 Matthew 16:15 is quoted but not put in context. This is the single best passage in the New Testament that reveals who Yeshua is. He is the Son of the most high God
Okay, but here's my question: Who cares? Seriously, you are not going to change their minds. The Witnesses are not the only people who believe that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. The Muslims believe that he is a prophet, but not the Father. The Jews, God's "chosen people", regard Jesus as an apostate heretic, not even close to being either the Father or the Son. I'm not a Bible expert, but even I recall reading Jesus say that the Father is "greater" than he is, and also that he (Jesus) pleaded for help from his Father on the night he was arrested. I never prayed to myself for help; if I did, and someone knew about it, I would deserve to be institutionalized and have the key thrown in the river.
Venom Juice Christians care. JWs won’t change their minds but Christians are called to have a defense for their faith. Jesus prayed to the Father. They are not the same PERSON so they can talk with each other like in Genesis 1:26. What you are objecting to is not the Trinity but a heresy called Tritheism.
@wackoguywatch God created everything through Jesus. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation. He was not the co creator, but the means God used to create everything in heaven and on earth.
@wackoguywatch my friend with all due respect and Christian love , please look up that word "by" in the original Greek language the Greek word is 'DIA' which actually means "through" it does not mean "by" otherTrinitarian translations have corrected it , but the KJV still will not correct that word. The good news bible a Trinitarian translation "16 For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him. Notice it uses the word " through" not "by" Just go to Strongs concordance and see for yourself what the word "DIA" means on Col 1:16
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:6) KJV The scriptures can't get any more clearer than this, we have One God, The Father and One Lord Christ Jesus. And let us not forget, the father is greater than the son and the head of the Christ is God. 🙏🏾
"I and _my_ Father are one. The Jews answered... thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (John 10:30, 33, KJV) "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he... said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:18, KJV) "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (Philipans 2:6, KJV) One day everyone will bow and confess that Jesus is Jehovah (Philipians 2:11, KJV). To be saved you must confess NOW! Come to him before it's too late!
@@americanlegaldefense7789 Why don't you follow up with John and see what Jesus said in response to the accusation he was saying he was God. He disputed them, he didn't agree with them.
_"Jesus is equal with God because of his sonship to his Father."_ @@remnantime3672 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (Isaiah 40:25) "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (Isaiah 46:5)
To who was Jesus praying to? Who claimed him as a son? Who raised him from death? where is Jesus siting (at the right of God) Jesus was the first in all that came from God. Did you know that at the times of Moses people thought Jesus was God and Jesus told them the he was lord. ''' I'm going to my father, your father, my God, your God '''''. Jesus is the only one that could have been the perfect sacrifice. Jesus the only one able to open the 7 seals . When all is complete, Jesus will render the world to God and eternity will begin for the humans. Mary is not the mother of God, that would mean Mary was before God. The trinity came hundreds of years after Christ had died. The Holy Spirit is the power of God and with that you shouldn't mess with because is so obvious how powerful God is. Isn't the earth a stool for Jesus? When Jesus was around 2 , who directed the mages to where Jesus was? Who told Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem? Who told the both of them also to get the baby away from there? Who told the mages to go in another direction? Remember at such time Jesus was around 2 this is why the King order to kill all the children 2 and under figuring he can't miss killing the coming King ( Jesus). Rachel's weep. Satan wanted to be above God, he knows that won't happen so he's trying for people to put Jesus above God. The father feels through Jesus as well as Jesus do that what is pleasing to God. People are setting contradictions like heck out there be careful.I like to ask when it comes to talking about God and Jesus, '' ok if Jesus is God to who was he praying to''? it would be more than weird to say '' to himself''' lol HE was praying to God aboveeeeeeeeee, Jesus was here with ussssssssssss. RESEARCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Give me a single verse that says God can't die. And none of that garbage circular reasoning, just give me the verse. If you don't give the verse, your claim has no Biblical reasoning. Said verse doesn't exist, so it doesn't have a Biblical basis anyway. I suggest you study some more because this is blasphemy. "...feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28) God can die, God did die, and that God is Jesus. One must believe that he is God before they can come to God! "...he that cometh to God must believe that he is..." (Hebrews 11:6) God loves you! Please, my friend, believe before it's too late!
@@americanlegaldefense7789... Easy answer... read verse Revelation 1:8 my friend... God cannot die if he is the Alpha and the Omega right? He has No beginning and no end... So if Jesus died, he can't be the alpha and the omega can he... Jesus was created.. created by GOD JEHOVAH. He is the begotten of all creation... which makes him Special. Begotten means firstborn from all creation
@@americanlegaldefense7789 All Mighty God is the Alpha and th Omega mentioned in Revelation 1:8. There was never an end or will be an end to Jehovah God. Where as Jesus was created, died, and then was resurrected on the 3rd day.. An All Mighty God could not die, be created or be able to ressurect himself.. NOW remember, Satan never questioned Jehova's Power. For he knew better than to. But he did question his right to rule over us. Which is why were in this mess in the first place. Man cannot rule over man! Look at all the death and greed in this world. We need JEHOVAH as our ruler to guide us . It is why in the Lord's prayer we ask... However, the prayer “Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth”
Ivan Villavicencio I agree that Jesus was created. Which makes him a son of God as opposed to the son of God. Jesus even calls us sisters and brothers... by Bible reports.
To the speaker on the right hand side. I am assuming you are using the KJV. When Jesus asked "whom say ye that I am", the answer was "the Christ" or "the Son of God" - *Never God* Did you notice at John 8:24 where it says "I am he" that ye word "he" is in italics. That is because it is added to the text. By the way in John 8:58 where Jesus uses the words I am is not the same as Exodus 3:14 where the Hebrew words are in the causative case meaning "I shall come to be" or "I shall cause to be" or "I shall prove to be" . The KJV and most Bibles get that wrong by saying "I am" In John 8:58 the context is talking about age not identity. Jesus was saying that he existed before Abraham "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly do I say to you, From before Abraham was, I have been." (1869 Noyes Translation) "Then Jesus said to them, "I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born." (1936 Williams NT)
You say Jesus is God. Ok. But what about the Holy Spirit? Surely the Holy Spirit is an equal part of the trinity? The trinity is a core doctrine, I suppose the ultimate core doctrine, of most churches. Why isn’t the New Testament full of single verse references to all three parts of the trinity? I don’t believe most Jews worship a trinity, and surely they take their worship from the Old Testament. If the Jews don’t worship a trinity, why should Christians, who surely worship the same God?
Hi James Ritter ,The grammar of Jn 8:58 requires that it be rendered as a state that started in the past and continues to the present. This is sometimes called a “Present of Past Action.” It cannot be properly rendered with a simple present tense. The translation “I Am” is verbal nonsense. First, any translation which capitalizes "I Am" as if it were a title is ridiculous. EGO EIMI is not a title in Jn.8:58 (nor is it a title in Ex.3). It is the main clause and is modified by the adverbial phrase "Before Abraham was born." It is easy to see how nonsensical these translations are by substituting a name for EGW EIMI: "Before Abraham was born, Fred." Rendering EGO EIMI here with the present tense “I am” is also grammatically erroneous. When EIMI is not used as a copula it always describes a state and is the imperfect form, both which denote duration and not a punctiliar event. "I am (eimi) never has a punctiliar ending".-Edward Goodrick; Hebrew and Greek Also, when a Greek present verb occurs with a temporal clause it can throw the starting point into the past. In Jn 8:58 there is a temporal clause referring to past time "PRIN ABRAAM GENSQAI." "The present which indicates the continuance of an action during the past and up to the moment is virtually the same as Perfective, the only difference being that the action is conceived as still in progress...it is frequent in NT: Lk.2:48; 13:7; 15:29, Jn.5:6, 8:58"-Moulton; A Grammar of the NT Present tense "I am" is not an acceptable English translation when combined with a past tense indicator. We would never say "Before last week I exist [am]," or "Since last Tues. I exist [am]." "We use the present perfect "have been" to describe a situation which was in the past and continues into the present. Many translations render it correctly: "I am here-and I was before Abraham."-Klist & Lilly "I tell you that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am."-CEV "The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born."-The Living NT "I tell you I existed before Abraham was born."-See: Nida’s “A Translators Handbook to John” Goodspeed's Translation; NASB's marginal note; Williams; and Moffatt's. When correctly rendered there is no indication of an identification of Jesus with Jehovah. Jesus simply said he existed from "before Abraham," referring to his pre-human existence. Scholar A. B. Davidson said: "The translation ‘I am' is doubly false: the tense is wrong, being present; and the idea is wrong because ‘am' is used in the sense of essential existence. All those interpretations which proceed upon the supposition that [I am] is a name of God...must be set aside...the nature of the [Hebrew] verb and the tense pre-emptorily forbid them."-The Theology of the OT, in "The International Theo. Library" p. 55. The translation “I am” at Jn.8:58 is simply theological bias. The Trinitarian argument linking John 8:58 with Ex.3 is invalid. It is based on a falsehood; It is based on the incorrect translation of the Septuagint, not the inspired Hebrew words. Further, the noun identifying God in the Septuagint was "hO ON" not "EGO EIMI/I am" which is a verb. Jesus did not use hO ON but only used a common verb, not some "name of God." "EGO EIMI" is never used as a title for Jehovah in Scripture. Let me illustrate: If I said "I am Ron" which word identifies me? The noun "Ron" of course. If someone uses the words "I am," does this mean they are identifying themselves as me? Of course not, totally illogical! What Jesus used was simply a very common verb, one that everyone used. For instance at Jn.9:9 when the healed man was asked who he was he said: "EGO EIMI". Was he indicating that he was God? And at 1Chron 21:17 David said (in the LXX) "EGO EIMI," or "I am." (Was David claiming to be God as well?) The Jews were asking Jesus how long he had been around, not who he was. Grammatically, it must be translated in a way that indicates existence that started in the past and continues to the present. Explicit scriptures show that Jesus was less than Almighty God at every point of his existence (Jn. 14:28; 20:17; Mk.13:32; 1Cor.15:27,28; Rev.3:2,12). At the highest position he will ever attain, Jesus is still "subject" to *GOD* the same way we are "subject" to him. Therefore, to construe Jesus' use of EGO EIMI as a claim of equality with God would require us to ignore the context, including the explicit testimony of Jesus himself to the contrary
LOL! And now the tactic is to clutter the board. Even MORE than that - The above is a complete and total avoidance. Like last time - Although it may have been fun to type, NOTHING that you've written above even addresses let alone refutes in any way whatsoever what I've presented in my previous postings. All you're doing in the above is PURE RUNNING AWAY and changing to another subject in order to avoid what has already been posted to you - and that's because you have no answer at all for what's already been presented. It's too late. You've ALREADY BEEN refuted in the other threads - and you've been refuted multiple times. That is the posting history. You can't do anything about it. It's here for all to see for themselves. Since that is the case, what interest could I possibly have with replying to the above? Why bother? All you'll do is run away again. By the above, you have now clearly established a pattern for all to see: You foist Watchtowerite falsehood; You are answered and refuted; You run away to something else. Thanks for exposing yourself. As always, I am very content to let any honest and fair-minded readers review the posts and decide whose posts have actual content to them, and whose do not. It will not be difficult at all.
@@jazzbassf - LOL! Nope. Already responded to above. I'm not the one here who has begun multiple threads. YOU are. I believe there were 6 of them at last count. Thanks for the laugh.
will chacon .....and you need to read and understand what the Bible says. The Real Bible! However, if you insist on using that ‘silver sword ‘, I can show you the truth with your own bible. Changing doctrines and beliefs since the beginning of your ‘organization ‘ only helps to disprove the Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs.
@MakeLemonade you are so right organization but what does it mean? Body of people! Those with the same goal! Receive instruction together! " love among themselves " my disciples" you will know them" God's mountain (house) will above the hills and mountains( other organizations political or religious ) " these people will say come with us to Jehovah's mountain and he will instruct us" faithful and discreet slave or steward? Not one or two but it is a composite body that makes one. To give food at the proper time" great crowd, other sheep, little flock under One Shepherd ". Pioneer? A person who goes ahead, front-runner, explorer of the territory. Set a high standard for others to follow. All fits the Son of Man, son of God Jesus. His appointed apostles and disciples. Like Charles Taze Russell. He wasn't afraid to take on the apostate Christendom and it's teaching. He was not silent about what they saw from the scriptures. And was not quite about his understanding of the 2,520 years that ended in 1914. And even today the certain ones still try to slander this Pioneer and say " his prediction was wrong" there was no prediction. It was an understanding of Bible prophecy. Pioneers follow those that follow the Christ. Do Pioneers have more of Jehovah's holy spirit than others? Jesus answers " asking his father for it" as long as we ask for it he gives it in my name". Jehovah has power and beyond, unlimited Dynamic energy". He gives it freely to those who wants, ask and deserve it.
@MakeLemonade i can help you in your understanding. It will take a lil humility from both of us. Born again? Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. Jesus at his death and then his Resurrection to heavenly life as a spirit person. There is no such thing in our sinful, imperfect, sickly dying body can sin be washed away. That is our punishment for disobedience. Adam has dented and stained all with sin and death. A person can put away the things he once practiced, put on the new personality, and turn his life around. Live a clean life but still have sin. Jesus will do away with sin and death. Death is the last enemy that Jesus will end. You mentioned the scriptural 144000 that was brought from the earth Yes. They are the only ones that was seen by John on Mount Zion with Jehovah God and Jesus. Having both names written in their foreheads. Even them while they live on this earth they are still like you and I. Not practice sin but still a sinner. Recognizing they like us need to have a relationship with Jehovah and pray in Jesus name. We all need forgiveness. No human can will themselves into that position to see Jehovah and serve as Kings with Jesus. It's NO emotional feeling. A person knows that he or she is of that number. Yes I would love to see Jehovah and Jesus Christ, but I'm also glad that I'm not chosen. I'm looking forward to seeing my dad and mom, on this earth, that will be like Eden. A worldwide Paradise!
@MakeLemonade you don't have to call them THEY. I'm One of those. So, you are born Again? So these 144000 persons that John saw on Mount Zion with Jesus, you are on of them? That means you have been born with water and spirit and begotten. You are a son of God? Jehovah himself has given you his spirit and have bear witness with you of that. That means you are a new creation. The Israel of God. You are going to rule as a King and Priest along with Jesus for the healing of mankind. The ones on the earth Jonn saw " a great crowd " on the earth. They've survive the coming Great Tribulation. They owe salvation to our God and to the Lamb. So your born againisum puts you in a special class. You've followed the Lamb where he goes and you sing a song that no one can sing but the 144000 that have been brought from the earth. That also means that you have to die! Humans can't enter into the Spirit Realm Of Heaven. You will see Jehovah GOD! You will see Jesus Christ as King. And you will see Jesus how he carries out Jehovah's will. So I can picture you pouting, mad because you see Jehovah as God. Pouting with your arms folded, cause you don't want them Jehovahs to be right! How foolish you're looking with you bottom spirit lip stuck out! You hear aloud voice " step forward! What is WRONG WITH YOU? OH WAIT A MINUTE JESUS! I RECOGNIZE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE! FOUGHT ME ALL THE WAY BY FIGHTING against MY WITNESSES! CALLING THEM NAMES AND SPEAKING AGAINST MY TRUTH, HATING MY ORGANIZATION! DID YOU NOT KNOW? DID YOU NOT READ YOUR BIBLE? DO NOT LOOK AWAY! LOOK INTO JESUS BEAMING EYES! 🤤
Before Abraham was I am. Who talks like that.. If I am means Jehovah Then he is saying Before Abraham was Jehovah. We’re not Greeks using Greek way of talking. They translate this way so they can say Jesus is Jehovah, how absurd and biased.
JWs claim to have "truth" & "accurate knowledge". What a false way to speak. "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
@@wylolister3218 here is my answer from the Bible according to habakkuk 2:3 even if it should delay be an expectation of it for it will not be late. Expectations is not false prophecy, we expect for Christ to come soon that is not a prophecy it is a fact. So when you quote and rip articles out of context you are only making false accusations that can be proven wrong. This is what a opposers do, they rip articles out of context in order to prove their points and then when you quote the entire article you can see what the real context is. So can you please print out the entire article so we can see the context.? It is the same as putting the scriptures out of context. Good try but it won't work. So please print out the entire article so we can see what the context is
@@jazzbassf LOL, I've tried to get JWs to print out the whole article. (probably even you) "Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. *Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers."* Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8
How _should_ you respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God? Well, you _should_ say: "YES, YOU'RE RIGHT! Jesus is _NOT_ God. Instead, at John 10:36, Jesus said of himself: "I am the _SON_ of God." Oh, and concerning what God's name is, my King James Bible says his name is "Jehovah," as the following verses say: 1. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Ex. 6:3) 2. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (Ps. 83:18) 3. "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." (Isa. 12:2) 4. "Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength." (Isa. 26:4) So, Jehovah is God. Jesus is the Son of God. (Mark 1:1)
Yehova witness teach that God the Almighty created thousands and millions years before our Creation, The Son the Firstborn of all creation. And through him created everything. In their bible john 1:1 reads In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was a god. So, they teach God and a god. This is already unbiblical. The bible nowhere teaches that there is such things as God and gods. Yes, the bible does teaches false gods but not divine gods. In the beginning the word was. They teach the word began in the beginning. This is contrary to what john 1 says.
“How do I respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God?” God already did! “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...” -John 1:1, 14
In God We Trust Yet in Greek God and god is present in Scripture. John 1 : 1 doesnt prove Jesus is God especially when you got the Genesis time frame as well as the time frame of other events all lumped together in John 1. Try explaining John 1 : 3 and 4 if you think Jesus is God. That being said, JWs don't believe Jesus is God nor do any Non Triniarian. Look up John 1 : 1 in Hebrew and Greek. God = θεόν (Uppercase G) god = θεὸς (Lowercase g) The Word = ό λόγος Word = λόγος Other examples Jesus = Ἰησοῦν Christ = Χριστόν Jesus Christ = Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν ( ישו Hebrew) Lastly, God cannot Anoint himself, hence the title Christ meaning Anointed one and second, Jesus did claim he has a God in Scripture and in his own words.
PN S No, if you understand it clearly you'd understand what John is trying to convey, but I see what you are getting at, but a minor misunderstanding of scripture can quickly mislead any man who does not study the bible and or apply biblical hermeneutics totally when interpreting. John himself knows that God Yahweh/Jehovah and Jesus Christ are two different people from each other and John didn't shy away from the very laws of which the Jews were under, an example would be when The Jews challenged Jesus and was about to stone him, Jesus mentioned, quoted from the Old Testament that all people, including born Jews like himself, written in law are gods too (not God himself or themselves). Cross reference points to Psalms 82 : 6. For Jesus quoted this because the Jews charged him with making himself a god. At Psalms 82 : 6 God himself says about the sons of God I said you are gods by implication that makes each of these man a god. I said, Ye are gods*, And all of you sons of the Most High. * godlike ones We see in Johm 10 : 34, 35 Jesus quoting of which that is written in the law of the Jews itself. Similar to what was mentioned, by Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 8 : 5 (First Epistles to the Corinthians), which cross references to what Jesus Christ had said, as well as what God the Father had said. (Also check out Psalms 82 : 1 for sons of the Most High in the heavens Angels/Spirit Beings are mentioned as gods/godlike ones). So in short Jesus, a born Jew of a woman, a man born into the law, Galatians 4 : 4, is considered a god and or among godlike ones just like his counterparts, but when it comes to God the Father he is the one and only True God, in this sense A God above gods (consisting of men, angels/spirit beings, etc), so to speak. Another thing to note in the gospel of john regarding one of Jesus' rare conversations, but in this, a man named Nicodemus, who was well aware that Jesus was the son of God who came from God himself and or has been sent by God. Nicodemus was also the same man who played a role in the burial of Jesus Christ.
na' ah mean? Actually "a god" or "was god" predates the Jehovah's Witnesses. Its called the Sahidic Copic Text. In fact the earliest prior to the Coptic Text is 1808 whereas "a god" (divine) was used. You Westerners are so misinformed.
At 1:20, the man said "if you get the trinity wrong, you are not a "biblical Christian". Ironically, neither the word trinity, nor it's explicit doctrine is found in the Bible. Please read John 17:3, and tell me who Jesus was referring to as the "only true God"? The man then references Matt 16:15, as to Jesus' clear identity. Let's read that and see if the disciples thought Jesus was God? Matt 16:15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” This is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
jazzbassf fenderjazz Well, to seek to understand the opposite point of view or the criticism of a belief you hold. That’s the same like me talking to you. I hold the Christian teaching of the Trinity and you hold the opposite. Historically your position which is Arianism was considered by the Church as heresy. However, to have an amicable discussion with you about it doesn’t hurt my beliefs but helps me to understand them better and not be blind to the cracks in my reasoning. Christians are not afraid of opposition rather it is an opportunity to examine ourselves. Don’t you agree?
@@olmeckrav well Maximus I would believe in the trinity if you could show it to me where is says the father son and the holy spirit are one God....yet there is not one single scripture in the bible. I only believe in the bible.
Jehovah is not a Greek word. It is a latinized version created by raymundus martini in the 13 th century. The new world translation is an abhorrent book created by Fred Franz who was a college dropout.
wafle21 The apostles, however, walked with our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 4:13 ESV [13] Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus." ---The same cannot be said of Mr. Franz, unless you think he was an apostle....
N S nice try with the straw man argument. Not one single person on this forum has argued that Jesus Christ was born on December 25. I have never met a single individual who believes this. As an Ex-JW we have been fully schooled on the fact that this was a pagan religious holiday that was coopted in an attempt by Rome to consolidate power... But as I have on several other occasions I will simply correct you with scripture: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. You are a self righteous, mind controlled cult slave of a false god named Jehovah. If you had studied the Occult as I have you would be aware that Jehovah is worshiped and sacrificed to by Satan Worshipers. Lucifer, Baal, Ocirus, Jehovah, Jubaalon.... The apostles worshiped Jesus as God, the Pharisees wanted to stone him for claiming to be God and only Christians worship Jesus Christ.... Every other cult on earth does not and that includes the Jehovah cult and the Jehovah slaves of the Watchtower corporation.
We appreciate what is written to us at 1 Corinthians 2:16, namely: “For ‘who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?’ But we do have the mind of Christ.” Here the Greek word for “mind” is nous in both instances. 17 Beyond all contradiction, the “mind” of Christ was lined up with “Jehovah’s mind.” The inspired words at Philippians 2:5-8 help us to peer into the “mind” of even the prehuman Son of God, for there we read: “Keep this mental attitude [“mind,” AV; AS; RS] in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.”
Actually your translation (NWT) is incorrect here. The actual verse says: 1 Corinthians 2:16 ESV [16] "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ. Who is the Lord? That’s Jesus! Jehovah is not mentioned in this verse.
@@---qb1bf First of all, I don't think there is much debate that the head of Christ is God. If the concept of the trinity is true, then, this is not an issue since Jesus is the God the Son. A son must be subservient to the Father because He is lower in the Rank of the Godhead. Being the Son of God is precisely why Jesus is part of the Godhead. The Bible says that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. To beget means to give birth to in human terms. However, it does not mean to create. I can make watches and have a son. My watch is my creation but my son is not my creation, rather, he is born of the same essence as me. You can use this analogy to understand why Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son. For Jesus to be the Only Begotten Son of God, it implies that He is the only One that is the same Essence with the Father because a lion cannot beget a goat. Jesus emptied Himself of Divinity (Phil 2:7), so that the Divine plan may be accomplished and when the Divine plan required Jesus to be without power, He lived out the life of a man; which includes prayer. This is how you know He was fully human and was tested just like we are today (Heb 4: 15). Lastly, people forget that the doctrine of the Trinity states that there are 3 Persons in One God. Jesus aligning His Will with that of the Father in the most trying time imaginable, serves to highlight that Plurality in the Godhead. Each Person is distinct in role and Will yet their Wills are always in alignment because a perfect Son's only will is to please His perfect Father. The Father is indeed greater than Jesus as Jesus is the Son of God the Father. The passage you quoted is from John 14:28. In the same chapter, Jesus also said to believe in God and Him together. Jesus also said once the disciples have seen Him, they have seen God. This is not to say that Jesus is a mere representative of God. No one in his right senses would send his son to someone and when the son is asked to show them his father, he replies "he that hath seen me hath seen, my father". But Jesus can, because He is the visible Image of the invisible God (Col 1:15). Not even the Apostles or Angels could make such a statement even though they represented God here on earth. Jesus said He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He said we should ask anything in His Name. He said the Father is glorified in the Son. Clearly, Jesus assigns attributes of God to Himself but the only thing He does not attribute to Himself is the role of the Father because it is true that His Father is greater than He and this is why Jesus said in the same verse, that He must go back to the Father, not the other way around since He is not the Father, He is the Son. Another way of viewing this relationship is that Jesus is God's Word (John 1). Who is greater, the Word or the Speaker? The Speaker, right? The Word is from the Speaker and of the Speaker and represents the Speaker perfectly. If the Word exegetes the Speaker perfectly, then, the Word and the Speaker are One for when you have One, you know the Will of the Other, and when you have Both, there is no contradiction, and giving glory to the Word implies giving glory to the Speaker. Jesus being appointed an Heir can be found as far back as the book of Psalms. You did not consider the words written right after the portion of the verse you quoted which says it was by Jesus all things were made. But Genesis 1 is clear that all things were made by God. So being appointed Heir does not mean He was created or is not God, it simply means He gets the title of Heir and the things His Father has promised Him; not that Jesus is not already the owner being that He created all things, but He puts Himself under His Father because in Him is humility perfected. No one can see God and live yet Abraham saw God and lived. Jacob saw God and even wrestled with God and lived. They did not see God the Father, because they would have died; that is the only explanation unless you want to be intellectually dishonest with the text. Also, Exodus 33:20 does not apply in the context where Jesus says "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" because it was Philip, a Jew, that asked that question and would have been well aware that whoever sees God will die. Lastly, Jesus did not make the statement to show that He is God the Father, however, He did make the statement that they may know who is the express Image of the Father such that when they see, feel, touch, and hear Him, they experience the Father as well, in the measure in which Humans can comprehend. No man, angel, or created being can make such a statement because no created (temporal) being can explain a timeless being. Lastly, it is not Christians that made up the Trinity, rather, it was forced upon us by the Bible due to the occurrence of plurality in the Godhead in the Old and New Testaments, the Shema Israel, which states that God is One, as well as the Statements of Jesus Christ and the writings of the Apostles and their followers by extension. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ, the Alpha, and Omega (Revelation 1:8), bless you.
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:5-8
Heb 1:5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” 7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
@@kenr8942 Nope - The JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. These things can be shown and it is not difficult to do so.
@@jamesritter5078 Then who do you believe have the true Christ? Jehovah's Witnesses follow the bible and Jesus' instructions. I do not see that in other religions.
Read further down in the verses where Jesus said they claimed he blasphemed BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, not God Himself. The Jews made FALSE accusations against him. Making himself a god or as some say God was a false accusation. Then Jesus quoted PSALM 82:6, where God Himself calls MEN "gods". They were the Israelites judges. So the term God could be used for one's representing God. Yet Jesus actually STATES he said he was GOD'S SON. It's there in black and white. Nowhere does he claim to be God as in the Deity.
@@michaellomax2 Jesus Christ is God in the flesh is as plain as your nose Colossians 1:15-20 King James Version 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
@@lucchinigianni6709 The IMAGE of the invisible God. An image is not the real thing. We are made in the image of God. It doesn't mean WE are God does it?. And again it says Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature. The FIRST to be CREATED by God. There, plain as your nose.
Exactly. If Jesus isn't God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?
@@morelmaster Jesus is Gods Son that's it Not (God Almighty the Creator) Let's take a Look at the Bible and see what it Says 1. Then why is God head of Christ just as Christ is Head of man? (1st coriethians 11:3) 2.) Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a Separate person from God? (John 20:17); (John 14:1); (Mark 10:18); (John 17:1-3), Also in Heaven, (Luke 22:69) 3.) Then how can Jesus have a god? (Micah 5:4), (pslams 45:6, 7; 89:26, John 20:17; (Romans 15:6;2), (Coriethians 1:3, Eph. 1:3; (Col. 1:3) (Mark 15:34); (John 17:1-3) Also in heaven (Rev. 1:6; 3:3, 12) 4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and part of creation? (Colessians 1:15) 5. Then why does (Rev. 3:14) Say that Jesus was the beginning of the Creation by God? 6. Then why is he subject to god like we are subject to him? (1st Cor. 15:27,28); (Eph. 1:17) 7. Then why does (Micah 5:2) say that Jesus Origin was from Early times? 8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matthew 24:36,) (Rev. 1:1); (Luke 8:45) 9. Then why is Jesus still subject to (god) when he is as high as he will ever be? (1st Cor. 15:27,28) 10. Then why does (Proverbs 8:22-31) show that the Messiah was created/Produced by God? 11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1st Cor. 15:27); (Eph. 1:17,22) 12. Then why would he have to be given any power & authority? (Matthew 28:18; 11:27; (John 5:22; 17:2; 3:35;) (2nd 1:17) 13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Hebrews 5:8), (John 5:19; 8:28) 14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Matthew 12:31, 32;); (Luke 12:10) 15. Then why did Jesus Call the Father the Only True God? (John 17:3) 16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Hebrews 5:7); (John 12:27) 17. Then why did he have to be exalted to leader & savior? (Acts 5:31) 18. Then how can he be exalted and (Given) a higher name then he had? (Philippians 2:9-11); (Hebrews 1:2-4) 19. Then why did he have to be given Life in himself? (John 5:25, 26) 20. Then how could his Father be Greater then he and not equal trinity? (John 14:28) 21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan in(Matthew 4:10) when God cannot be tempted by Evil (James 1:13) 22. Then why did Jesus (Worship) the Father (John 4:22) 23. Then why can he not do anything of his own? (John 5:19; 6:38) 24. Then why would Jesus pray to Anybody? (Luke 22:44; ) (John 17:1,2) 25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1st John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's only Begotten Son? 26. Then how can Jesus be God's servant? (Acts 4:26, 27,30) 27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43) 28. Then how could he be the mediator between God & man? (1st Timothy 2:5) 29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1) 30. Then how could he be God's image? (Col. 1:15;) (Hebrews 1:3) Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the originator (ek)? (1cor. 8:6); (John 1:1-3); (Prov. 8:30) (Hebrews 2:10); (Col. 1:15, 16) 32. Then why did Jesus say God was good in a way that Jesus was not?(Mark 10:18) 33. Then why does Jesus have the voice of the Archangel and not the voice of God? (1st thess. 4:16) 34. Then why is the only worship given to him the same given to humans ? (Heb. 1:6) (Matt. 18:26;); (Rev. 3:9) 35. Then why do many who believe and rely on a few so called proof texts instead of the context of the consisent teachings of the entire Bible? 36.then how can Jesus be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49), (deutronemy 18:18) 37. Then why did Steven see 2 separate entities God & Jesus and not just one god or 3 person's? (Acts 7:55) 38. Then how could Jesus be seen at God's right hand?(Luke 22:69); (Acts 7;55); (Romans 8:34) 39. Then how could Jesus be exalted not to become God himself, but to the position of the right hand of God?(,Acts 2:33) 40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God?(rev. 1:1) 41. Then why is he called God's begotten Son before he came to Earth? (John 3:16); (Galations 4:4), (1st John 4:9) 42. Then how could he have a father (John 20:17) 43. Then how could he come in Flesh? (1st Kings 8:27); (Acts 17:24, 25) 44. Then why did Jesus not come in his own Name? (John 5:41-44) 45. Then why did Jesus come down from Heaven to do God's will and Not His Own? (Luke 22:42); (John 6:38) (John 5:30) (John 8:42) 46. Then how could Jesus appear before God when he went back to (Heaven)? (Hebrews 9:24) 47. Then how could Jesus die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Romans 5:10); (Acts 5:30); (Habbuk 1:12); ,(1st time. 6:16); (Numbers 23:19) (1st Cor. 15:3); (Plsams 90:2); (Daniel 6:25-26) 48. Then why is it that God ressurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32) (Acts 5:30) (Romans 10:9,10) 49. Then why can we see him if No Man has seen God at any time? (John 1:18) 50. Then why is there not one clear scripture where Jesus is called God the Son, (Equal to those declaring God the Father) 51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? (Matthew 26:59-67) 52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe that Jesus is Christ, the son of God. Why is there no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the Most important thing of all that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)
@@tiffanywright6653 YOU: How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? ME: 1) Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL with God. (John 5:18) John the Apostle wrote this, which shows clearly that even John himself understood that the Son of God and the Father were EQUAL!!! 2)"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). The statement of Jesus to the Jews, "I AM" is the exact same statement that God gave to Moses in Exodus 3:13-15. 3)"What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39) Once again, the Jews understood Jesus to be saying he was EQUAL to God, that is why they tried to seize him. So, for you to make the statement that the Jewish officials NEVER made the claim that Jesus was God or equal to God shows your ignorance of the Word of God. Wake up!!!
yvonne donasco John 14:8-10 New International Version (NIV) 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Heres a slap in the face to you non believer Jesus was god in the flesh among men EVEN THE ANGEL HAD TOLD MARY THAT JESUS BE NAMED IMMANUEL MEANING GOD AMONG MEN. JESUS AND THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE GODS OMNIPOTENCE AND INTRICATE DIVINE NATURE IS OBVIOUSLY TOO HARD TO UMDERSTAND FOR YOU BUT PLEASE EVEN JESUS SAID FOR TJOSE TJAT DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS “I AM” WILL DIE IN THEIR SINS
@@user-gb5tj5kj1n An eye opener to those who are blinded take note and wake up! LUKE 18: 18,19. Read..... 18 And one of the rulers questioned him (Jesus), saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” 19 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. JESUS CLEARLY NOT CONSIDERED HIM AS GOD. CASE CLOSED AGAIN!
No witness will tell u that Jesus christ is not not God what is said is that he is not the almighty God and that one is greater than him he told his disciples my father is greater than I am .
JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ, and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. When it comes to Christ, the Bible declares in Hebrews 1:3 that everything the Father is, the Son is - There's nothing missing.
Jesus and God are clearly TWO distinctive entities. Many scriptures refer to JESUS being the SON OF GOD not the other way around. The fact that JESUS incarnation was clearly seen by humans means he's not GOD, because GOD IS INVISIBLE and no one has seen God and lived! Exodus 33: 20. But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." 1 Timothy 1: 17. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't IMMORTAL since he died on a stake. According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't invisible since his disciples and many humans SAW him. Out of his own mouth he proclaimed GOD name, not his own.
Timodagreat31 Just a few things brother, Jesus Christ is the manifestation of the God the Father as the Son of God. In Colossians 1:15 it says "The Son is the image of the invisible God". In the same way John 14:9 also says "Anyone who has SEEN ME has SEEN the FATHER" which actually highlights the idea that the disciples actually walked with Jesus Christ being the Son of God as the manifestation of God. Also to highlight the issue of immortality, Jesus Christ had to come down to earth in the form of a man in order to save us from our sins. In order for Him to do that he would need to take the form of a human for the physical death to occur and reconnect us back to the Father (John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through Me") I hope that makes a bit more sense. God bless you
@@divi1223 Ill reply to John 14:28 and ex 33:20, but first I want to expand on the verse about Jesus being equal to God: "Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage..." NIV "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to..." NLT "Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God..." KJV In your own Kingdom Interlinear of the Gk scriptures (it reads choppy because its literal word for word from the Greek): "who in form of God existing not snatching he considered the to be equal to God..." Even in your own Greek it shows Jesus as equal. Look for yourself. You can see the WT added in parenthesis (things), trying to take away his equality, but that is not what it actually says, and you can read it word for word on their website. The other bible translations got it right. NWT had to change it to fit their beliefs. Once you believe Philippians 2:6 & 7 as it is actually written in Greek, John 14:28 and exodus 33:20 make absolute sense. Phil 2:6 & 7 reveals to us that Jesus laid aside his equality, divesting himself of his heavenly spirit glory, to become a human being. He was in the form of God, but then he took on himself the form of a servant. He became a man, so that he could identify with man as his high priest and mediator, as only a man could do. The WT teaches he turned back into an angel Michael, but he could not have, as scripture tells us ONLY a man can intercede for a man as high priest Hebrews 3:1, 2:14-18. This means the instant Jesus turns back into a spirit being he would no longer be able to intercede and be mediator. We would all be doomed. He MUST remain a man, possible only by a bodily resurrection. But back to John 14:28... as a man Jesus laid aside his divine rights (phil 2:7) and because he became human, God was greater. This does not contradict because John 1:1, 18 says "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." Here we see two in the trinity. BOTH are called God, and there's only one TRUE God which means any other God is a false god. Because Jesus the Word became a human, God is greater. How does this work exactly I dont know, God is so much bigger than we can ever fully understand. So I trust the scripture, I believe everything it says including John 1:1. Exodus 33:20... According to scripture people have seen God in other forms. They haven't seen him in all his heavenly spirit glory. But he has appeared as other forms outside of his heavenly glory: a burning bush, pillar of fire, a great cloud... in Exodus 24:10, 11 "And they saw the God if Israel, and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God and did eat and drink." No one can see the TRUE form of God but people have seen manifestations of him in various forms (I only listed a scant few). Jesus is also a manifestation of God in human form. They could look at Jesus therefore and not die.
The Trinity doctrine was not officially accepted by the so called " Christian Church" until the 3rd century.Constantine had a hand in this.What's interesting is that the Trinity was apparently unknown to Jesus, the apostles , nor any of the prophets of the old testament.They say nothing about it.If anything Jesus own words talks against it."Touch me not because I'm going away to my God and your God".Now stop right there.Jesus said he himself "Had a God".Not only that he said " The Father greater than I am".Not only that Jesus said there something he did not know." Concerning that day nobody knows.Not the angels nor the Son" but only the Father".In the book of Hebrew's the apostle Paul said Jesus " Learned obedience from the things he suffered " .Even Jesus " learned something".Can Almighty God be " TAUGHT"???? Can an Almighty God be tempted? In the book of James it says" Let not anyone who's going through a trial say he is being tried by God.For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does He try anyone".Yet Jesus was tried 3 times by the Devil.Look all throughout the old testament and NONE of the same wordings or even a hint of such is said about Yahweh or Jehovah.Nor do we read of Jehovah praying to anyone.Jesus did.The Bible is clear.Jesus is not God and he never claimed to be God.John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying " In the beginning of this conversation was me.And I was with my wife.And my wife was me". Its obvious I'm not my wife and she's not me .But if you change the wording and put "The Word" and "God" people wanna believe Jesus is Almighty God.Now in Isaiah it does call Jesus " Mighty God".But nowhere in the bible does it call Jesus "Almighty God".A huge difference. But people believe what they want regardless of what's right there in black white.
God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. We are all trinities. We are spirits, we have souls ( Which is our mind, our will, and our emotions ) and we live in bodies. www1.cbn.com/questions/what-are-the-three-parts-of-man
Calvin B said: “John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity...” Even though it says: “In the beginning was [Jesus], and [Jesus] was with God, and [Jesus] was God.” Let me repeat that: “In the beginning... [Jesus] was God.” “Jesus was God.” *“Jesus* was *God.”* *“JESUS* was *GOD.”* *“Iēsous [Heb. origin-Yeshuah] ēn to theos.”-“Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.”* When was he “the God?” In the beginning! _He continues..._ “John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying ‘In the beginning -of this conversation- was me, and I was with my wife, and my wife was me.’ It's obvious I'm not my wife, and she's not me.” First off: You are your wife and your wife is you. You are both one flesh. “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mark 10:8) Second: The last part of that comment shows that John 1:1 doesn't _actually_ mean what it says. Do you believe that “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...” (II Timothy 3:16)? Do you believe that it was “GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake... by the prophets,” (Hebrews 1:1)? Do you believe that “...holy men of God spake _as they were_ moved by the Holy Ghost.” (II Peter 1:21)? Do you believe that “...[God's] word is truth” (John 17:17)? If you _do,_ then you believe that the Bible-the _whole_ Bible-is inspired by a perfect God, and thus is all correct and all perfect in 100% harmony and no contradictions with any other verse. The Bible says: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6-7) If this is the case, which it obviously is, then we have the perfect word of God today, and if God gave us _his_ perfect word, then why would it be open to private interpretation? The simple answer is found in II Peter 1:20: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “prophecy” in this verse as simply: “a _prediction_ (scriptural or other).” If you're one that says “The prophecy OF the Scriptures; not the Scriptures as a whole,” then consider this: God's word being eternally preserved for us is a prediction. Therefore, every word being preserved in it is also a prediction. If you're one of those who only believes the New Testament, then consider this: “...the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (I Timothy 3:15) "...[God's] word is truth.” (John 17:17) “[Jesus is] the way, the truth...” (John 14:6) Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “the” (Greek-“to”) as: “the definite article; _the”_ The feminine usage (“she” [Greek-“ho”]) and the neuter usage (“hē”) are also used and translated as “he (subjective), she (subjective), it (subjective), him (objective), her (objective), it (objective),” etc. But the word “the” remains “to” and is translated as “the, this, that.” It's fourth translation is “one.” Webster's 1828 Dictionary Definition of “one” is: “Single in number; individual; as _one_ man; _one_ book. There is _one_ sun only in our system of planets.” And, going back to the Greek, the word “one” again is “to” meaning “the.” Thus, the word “the” is equivalent to the singular “one and only.” Therefore, we know that when Jesus says he is “the” truth, he is the “only” truth. So, God's true word must also be Jesus' true word, and Jesus' true word God's true word. Doesn't the Bible say in John 1:1 that Jesus is the living “Word?” Revelation calls him “The Word of God.” Therefore, if the church is the pillar and ground of THE THE THE *“ONLY”* truth, they're the pillar and ground of both Jesus and his word. The church will always exist until Jesus takes it out, as Matthew 16:18 says “...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Therefore, his word will be preserved. And if Jesus is perfect (I Peter 1:21-22), then his word must also be perfect, as they are one and the same. And if Jesus is eternal (Isaiah 9:6 “everlasting Father”) then his word is as well. Now the Bible says miracles would cease when that which is perfect was come in I Corinthians 13. After that, only faith, hope, and love would remain. This can't be Jesus or his 1,000-year kingdom, as the Bible says when that is come, only love will remain. Therefore, that which is perfect is the perfect Law of Liberty of James 1:25 and James 2:12. The word “perfect” in describing the perfect law of liberty is τέλειος (“teleios”). Strong's Greek Dictionary defines it as simply: _“complete_ (in various applications...) _completeness.”_ We don't see miracles today. Therefore, the word of God is _already_ complete. It's simply been translated from ancient Hebrew, Chaldee and Koine Greek into English. It's very clear now that we still have God's preserved word with us today. It's been translated into English several times, and the most accurate translation took place in 1604 when King James commanded apx. forty Episcopal language scholors from universities that only the very best of the best could attend. And they were not only trained in Ancient Hebrew, as many claim, but in many other languages as well. Let me restate: They were the best. All forty of them translated the Bible from it's original languages using the Textus Receptus and other translated Bibles, and, over the course of five years (1604-1609), they translated it. Then they looked over it again for an additional two years to ensure it was correct. Finally, when it was completed in 1611, it was named “The Holy Bible, Conteyning the Old Testament, and the New,” and it was given to the people free of charge. Now that we have the completed word of God, we can look into the original Greek language and see what the meaning of the words used in the original New Testament are. In John 1:1, the word “God” is the same all three times, thus saying specifically: “Jesus was God,” _or,_ “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.” And since we have the preserved word of God, translated into English, Authored by God himself, do you think there'd be any “errors” in the Bible? Not if “the holy spirit spake” and “God inspired.” Otherwise God is imperfect, which is not the case. Furthermore, I Corinthians 14:33 says: “For God is not the author of confusion...” If there are any errors, additions, or subtractions in his word, then he _is_ the Author of confusion, which is not the case. So, The Bible is infallible, as Jesus is infallible. I say all that to say this: If the Bible says something, *_the Bible means it,_* because it's really the words of God. Therefore, all of it is 100% true and accurate with no contradictions. So, since now we know that John 1:1 in Koine Greek really says “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity,” you can be assured that this is what it means, no errors, no contradictions, end of story. Some like to say an error in translation was made, and that it _should_ say “In the beginning... the Word was *a* god.” However, that goes directly against Isaiah 44:8: “...Is there a God beside me? yea, _there is_ no God; I know not _any.”_ God made sure to use the Hebrew “elowahh” for “God” here instead of his name “elohyim.” “Elowahh” is defined by Strong's Greek Dictionary as: “a _deity_ or the _Deity.”_ He makes sure to say “there is no deity beside me.” Since the Bible does not contradict itself, John 1:1 isn't mis-translated. De Trinitate also references this verse many times word-for-word. Now no doctrinal verse in the Bible will stand alone, so are there any other verses that say that Jesus is God? Yes! The following verses prove Jesus is God: *I John **5:20* “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, _even_ in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” *Zechariah 12:1 and 10* “The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, *saith the LORD,* which stretcheth forth the heavens... And I will pour upon the house of David [the Jews], and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me *whom they have pierced,* and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” This word “LORD” in Hebrew is יהוה (“Yehôvâh”); the same as “Jehovah,” which we all know is God. Problem: The Jews pierced the hands and feet of _Jesus,_ so how does that work out unless Jehovah is Jesus? Well, what does “Jesus” (Heb. origin-“Yeshua”) mean? “Jehovah saves.” *Isaiah 9:6* “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God,* The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” You said that this says “mighty God,” but not the “Almighty God.” Consider then *Revelation 1:8* “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.”* *Revelation 21:6-7* “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and *I will be his God,* and he shall be my son.” *Hebrews 1:1 and 8* “GOD, who... spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, But unto the Son _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness _is_ the sceptre of thy kingdom.” By now it should be very clear that Jesus is God.
Arius tried to deny Jesus was God - Early Church got mad - Constantine orderd a thorough debate among scholars - Arius lost - Constantine "imposed" Trinity Doctrine on a Trinitarian Early Church - WT changes that historical fact - WT Imposes their Doctrine without Scholars or Debate -agreed ? ?
John 5:39-40 You study[a] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
Moses once expressed the desire to see God. At Exodus 33:18-20, we read: “‘Cause me [Moses] to see, please, your glory.’ But he [God] said: ‘I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy.’ And he added: ‘You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.’”
thx .. someone just quoted Job 19:26 in a vid so I went to the text for context and found Job 19:25 ...a living redeemer in the OT who will be on earth at the end
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled, If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded? ~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37 HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus: They Will Call On MY NAME, And I Will ANSWER Them: I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’ And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM. ~ Zechariah 13:9 HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:” HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator: Glory To The Alpha And Omega: Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior: Glory To The Lion Of Judah: Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH: Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses, “ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel: ‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers, The ELoHIM Of Abraham, The ELoHIM Of Isaac, And The ELoHIM Of Jacob, Has Sent Me To You. This Is MY NAME Forever, And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations. ~ Exodus 3:15 Because He Has Affection For ME, I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14 The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9 Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3 “You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way, For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.” ~ Exodus 20:7 I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR Ever Since The Land Of Egypt; You Know No CreatoR But ME, And No SavioR Exists Besides ME. ~ Hosea 13:4 And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’ ~ Acts 2:21 There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME; To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU. ~ Isaiah 64:7 YEHOVA Is The Same Forever: ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated: >Names Never Translate. Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
The most powerful and clearly undeniable statement Jesus said to confirm that he was God was when he referred to himself as The I Am. He stated before Abraham was I AM.
@@finalfrontier001 Exodus 3:14 is what Jesus is referring too. God states in Exodus 3:14 "This is what you are to say to the Israelite, I Am has sent me to you"
There’s a Jehova’s Witness that I know that is 80x smarter than I and beats me in debate all the time. It gets to the point that it even confuses myself. This video helps but ive been struggling to point to scripture in favor of Christianity when debating this person. Please pray that God can give me the grace and knowledge to witness and discern the truth. And if i do not know the truth, i pray God can spare me in my mortal ignorance
Praying 🙏🏼 I’m in a similar situation
Easy to pin them down
They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed…
The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Easy to pin them down
They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who Gor loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed…
The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Easy to pin them down
They believe Yesus was Angel Michael so if that’s the case in Job 4:18 states God charges his angles with error making thr Jesus one prone to Error yet the Bible states in John 15:9 tht his the only person who God loved for he was perfect..2nd they believe the 2nd coming of the messiah wil happen secretly and in 1799 they predicted end of the world..which failed then 1874..1914..1915..1918 which all failed…
The coming of the messiah will be known since in Rev 1:7 say all eyes shall see him …and when they bring the claim of saying thr the chosen ones…Use John 4:22 which says Salvation came to the Jews and gentiles wil be required to be grafted in Israel so as to receive the promise made to Abraham by God(Romans 11:11-26)..Don’t allow them change topic.. if he can’t defend his point just encourage him to seek for the truth out of JW Bible and commentary’s
Read Luke 10. Speak the truth. If they don't listen to you SHAKE THE DUST OFF OF YOUR FEET AND MOVE ON. You are not called to debate with eloquent words but to preach the gospel truth in power. People need to REPENT and this includes they need to repent for believing lies. Jesus said, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free!!" The Holy Spirit will lead whoever seeks after truth into all truth. We still need to SAY SOMETHING, make disciples, teaching then to obey everything Jesus commanded. Read Ezekiel 3.
I used to be a Jehovah's Witness and knew the New World Translations almost by heart. I hate to tell you, but their Bible does not say " before Abraham was, I Am" at John 8:58 , it say's " before Abraham was, I have been." They have cleverly changed any inference that Jesus is God. It's very hard to prove using the New World Translation. I didn't see it until I read the King James Bible and saw all the places they had changed God's Word to fit their doctrine. Now I know the truth about Jesus. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not a created angel named Michael. It's hard to convince a Jehovah's Witness to read another Bible besides theirs.
Eyes Wide Open That's because the JW New World Translation as with other translation sticks to the oldest and most reliable source, examples like the NIV, ESV, etc. The King James Version of the bible does not apply the oldest and most reliable source at all and is solely based on what is translated in the 16th century. So these so called changes were in represents to the 4th century source instead of the altered 16th source.
The belief of Michael and Jesus being one in the same is a belief from the 8th and or 9th century which is way beyond the JWs came into existence.
John 8 : 58 does not prove Jesus is God because any man can investigate for themselves that ego eimi and ego eimi ho on are different and how common it was to the Greek people of that time who speaks this way, something of which I explained to the other guy who tried to mix Greek Words together.
JWs are merely restorationist Christians for they care nothing more of strict adherence to the bible and Christians like that are rare, and are the only ones to be attacked time and time again by mainstream Christianity.
Zoll, do you know who translated the New World Translation Bible and did they have any knowledge of the Hebrew or Greek languages? I beg you to compare the NWT to their own Greek interlinear. It is unbelievably inaccurate. Do your research, and not on JW. Org.
Hebrews chapter one proves Jesus is not an angel. Read it for yourself, and pray for understanding.
Revelation clearly states that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last. The one who is coming, who was dead and is now alive. Revelation chapters 1 & 2.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not being attacked, they are being exposed. They portray our Lord and Savior as an angel. They reject his precious sacrifice by rejecting the bread and wine. They memorialize his death, yet he is not dead. He is alive, he is our MIghty King, our Lord of Lords, our Judge, our Savior. Praise be to Him! God bless
Eyes Wide Open Do not be foolish. It is not a matter if how well someone knows the language and or not, it is by means if sheer biblical hermeneutics and respecting the source. The New World Translation, as with a with a few bible translations follow the Septuagint, the oldest and most reliable source the bible is based off off, anything outside of that is utter nonsense.
The Interlinear Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses is based off of the 1550, for if you are unaware of that number, in English from a theological standpoint the 1550 is the Stephens Textus Receptus (among others). There are other Textus Receptus verisons that are known to be false, apparently this one is not, and what adds moe proof and fact is that the 1550 is on a majority of bible translations sites so anyone can compare the 1550 to any Interlinear that is based off the 1550, in turn, the Septuagint unlike other Textus Receptus translations that have been tampered with.
I do not need to do the research, I know my hermeneutics, I know my Christology, I know the history of the church, the church fathers, and a plethora of other things, this includes the Great Awakening, and since this is a discussion about Jehovah's Witnesses, the Second and Third Awakening that is come out of the Restorationist Movement that has brought Christianity into the world stage.
In the history of Jews, Jesus was a representative of God, one who has done Shaliah Principle also known as Angelic Agency, something of which all messengers of God are bounded to, hence Angel, meaning Malak, which in English means, Messenger. Jesus is basically an Angel, in this regard, a Messenger who is speaking the Word of God by means of Shaliah Principle. Hebrews chapter 1 only proves that Jesus has been exalted by God and made superior beforw his angelic brothers and nothing more, all sons of God, but this one, is of whom God exalted because he is the only begotten. Plus you have Apostle Paul to thank for he himself referred to the Christ as an Angel (Malak).
Actually this is only Revelations chapter 1. The Septuagint proves that as well as biblical hermeneutics and it does not prove Jesus, a man who claims he has a God (John 20 : 17), is God. The Trinitarian claim doesn't even make logical sense with their own doctrine since they are confusing identities which their own doctrine insists you must not confuse. The first and the last was dead. Only a created being can say He was dead, but God cannot die, be killed or be subjected to death, that is outlandish and ridiculous for a creator of all things to be to killed by mere mortal man. Yahweh is immortal/incorruptible which means He cannot be dead. For this reason, it is quite impossible to identify Jesus as Yahweh the God.
It is clear that these titles refer to creation and Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation since he is the firstborn out of the dead. Everything begins and ends with the Father's Word. The Genesis act of creation was accomplished by means of His spoken Word and that is why we find He is the first and the last in the book of Isaiah. He is where the Genesis act of creation began and since He will judge the world through a man He has appointed, He is where it will also end. God the Father created by means of His spoken Word and judges the world through His word at the end of the ages. God the Father will judge the world through him (Acts 17 : 31) and God the Father creates all things anew in him (Col 1 : 16-18; Revelation 21). God the Father now creates all things through the risen Christ, His Word become flesh. The new creation begins and ends at the Father's Word: the risen man, Jesus our Lord.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not really exposed, they are Restorationist, for if they were indeed exposed, you'd be out there heeding to Jesus' command instead of them in terms of the foundation of the church, let alone the spread of the gospel, and the belief of Jesus being a representative of God under Shaliah Principle, an angel, has been a practice since the 8th century, heck, even back in the days of Apostle of what he said in the scriptures himself.
How are they rejecting his death? These people put their lives at risk for the Great Commission even subject themselves God the Father and adhere to the teachings of which his Son proclaimed by means of Shaliah Principle, you are not being specific. Jesus also asked us to remember and or commemorate in regards to his death and believe in what is to come - the resurrection.
Jesus is not God. For Jesus is the Son of God, as everyone in the bible have stated, from angels, to disciples, followers, Pharisees like Nicodemus, to Jews who wanted Jesus dead and succeeded,
to demons and even Satan himself.
All and all I suggest you learn about scripture and history of Christianity as well as the Bible itself first and this time perhaps chooses your words more wisely with facts instead of what you are being ded by Anti-Christians.
May I ask, are you currently a Jehovah's Witness?
Eyes Wide Open No, but I have been studying them for nearly a decade, as with other faiths including Judaism, Islam (Sunni and Shia), etc.
I am a Christian and I have respect for what is true and should any falsehood be brought up, by means of Christian theology and biblical hermeneutics I will confute - something I have been doing on this channel for a while now.
However here I am talking about actual facts about jws, on another video I am talking about both Christianity and Islam.
That being said, I dislike people who lie and are dishonest and I am able to see if a faith is close to what is true and those who are far from what is true and not be fed misconception, conspiracy and hate by those who are against a faith and such persons only proves those they attack to be true to their word, so in this case you and the people you stick up for are only making jws stronger the same can be said for Muslim opponents.
Ironically, only mainstream Christianity is dying off around the world, increased in the EU countries loke the UK and Asia as well as America, however not the minority faiths that include JWs.
Also I didn't address before, but I from France, I currently live in the US and I study thr history of Christianity and Religion.
Peace be unto you
always enjoy watching your shows young ones God bless you and May God be in your heart as he is in mine
Shalom alikom
Good video. There is a needed correction. “Jehovah” is not a Greek translation of the Hebrew “Yahweh.” Jehovah is a German transliteration of Yahweh. Hebrew is a consonantal language read from right to left, and scribes later added vowel pointings to retain the pronunciation. But no vowel pointings were added to Yahweh since in Jewish tradition the Name of God was not to be pronounced. Instead, they would say “adonai” which means lord. German theologians took the Hebrew consonants as read from right to left and placed them left to right as they would be read in German-JHVH. Then they took the vowel pointings of adonia (adone in German) and place the corresponding German vowels between the consonants going from right to left. The result is Jehovah. In the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible called the Septuagint the translators translated Yahweh as “kurios” which means “lord.”
The evolution of the name Yahweh to Jehovah has a complex history - for example; the proposed summary would not encompass the Latin aspect in transliteration, as the Hebrew texts translated into Latin and which represented the Tetragrammaton as 'IHVH', it was the European scholars attempts at vocalizing this, that eventually lead to the emergence the pronunciation of 'Jehovah'.
That said, this process would not be as straightforward as taking the consonants and placing German vowels between them, as we find the development of the name predates that of Hebrew vowel pointing among European scholars.
Very good point our job is to love them and know our bibles. This world needs more love in it. God bless everyone…Jesus loves you!
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
"I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last"
- Isaiah 48:12
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
- Revelation 22:13
This is a bulletproof case. Thank God for his beautiful word.
@Riaz Qureshi my friend the actual bulletproof case is found at Revelation 21-6 and 7 with all due respect you never made a comment on that scripture because that one scripture very explicitly proves that only the father is the Alpha and the Omega. Because nowhere in scripture has Jesus ever called anyone his son or his sons also the father has never called anyone his brothers. Jesus in the scriptures always calls his disciples his brothers not his sons. So if you can show me a scripture where Jesus has ever quoted calling anyone his son's then I will believe that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. Trying to use implied scriptures does not make the trinity the proof that it needs. The scripture that I just showed you is an explicit scripture not an implied scripture like you try to use . Also there is nowhere in the Bible that says that the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God. What's interesting in the King James version could not prove the Trinity so they inserted a spurious scripture at 1st John 5:7 but they never said even in that scripture use the word "one God " it just says "one" not the word one God, because one can mean anything one in purpose when an agreement Etc. So anyway my friend just something to think about. And I am not trying to win an argument I am just showing you what the bible really teaches. Thank you for your comments
@@jazzbassf Brother, Revelation 21:6-7 proves my case. The fact that Both Jesus and the Father are saying that statement is bc they are 1 (See John 10:30)
Jesus says he is the first and the last multiple times in Revelation the same as YHWH does in Isaiah 48:12 proving their equality in essence.
You said there isn't a scripture where the trinity is shown. I thought this too until I read the old testement carefully. Please read these verses showing that yes God is 1 in essence but he has a complex in his nature as being 3 persons:
As you can see there are 2 LORD statements here:
"Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens." - Genesis 19:24
Also here there are 3 divine persons in isaiah speaking as YHWH":
“Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have sent Me.” - Isaiah 48:16-17
As you can see even the Old testament knew that God was complex in his unity.
And finally in the new Testament proving that Jesus is God:
"And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."
- Mark 14:62
This verse in Mark is a direct deference to Daniel 7:13-14 showing that the son of man will receive an everlasting dominion and all nations will worship him the same way they worship the father proving that God is multiple in his 1 being.
@@infinityApologeticsClips yes at John 10:30 Jesus says the father and I are one. However I John 17:11 he elaborates what he meant by that he said that his Apostles and him and his father are one. So he's talking about one in purpose and agreements not one God otherwise the apostles would be God too. And of course I don't think you believe in polytheism. But still my friend you haven't shown me a scripture that says that Jesus ever called anyone his sons only the father calls people his sons and you cannot make an assumption the Jesus is one God with the father because of the Alpha and the Omega. That is just an assumption or an implication it's not explicit. In order to convince a person that the Trinity is explicit you would have to show where it says the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. There's not one single scripture in the Bible that says that. Again thank you very much for your comments and many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about the father who is the only true God. And please don't tell me that Jesus must be a false god because he's called the god that would not make sense because the word god means a mighty one you cannot deny the fact that Jesus is a mighty one or a mighty God. He is never called The Almighty God anywhere in the Bible. You can find implications of that but not explicit thank you my friend.
@@jazzbassf Brother, why didn't you comment on my OT verses on the multiplicity in God's nature.
Could you please comment on
Genesis 19:24 where it shows 2 LORD statements and Isaiah 48:3
where it shows 3 divine persons.
@@infinityApologeticsClips Genesis 19:24 is a figure of speech. There is only one Jehovah they're not two Jehovahs. Deuteronomy 6:4 says listen o Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. And according to that scripture if it wasn't figurative then we would have to Jehovahs so that would be impossible. As to Isaiah 48:12 I do not know what the point is there on Isaiah 48:12?
I like what you said at 3:00 “if you are truly a Christian and not a church goer.” Such truth right there
Exiverence Let us hold firmly the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for the one who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Heb.10:23-25
The link on #5 above doesn’t work, can you fix it? Thank you for the videos! Very helpful, a great reminder that we need to be prepared by studying the word, praying more and doing it all in love.
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
People read the book of John and see how many time Jesus is referred to as. God's Son.
He couldnt say He was God because there was a plan
@@elisemccaa17 - He openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is no other way to understand His response to Philip.
God is the head of Christ
1 Corinthians 11:3
@@grahammewburn - In His position and role as the Son - Sure. Christ willingly submitted Himself to the Father.
In His essence/nature - No, Christ is not inferior; He has and is the same essence/nature. What I said about John 14:9 stands. Christ openly and directly declared that seeing Him = Seeing God Himself in John 14:9. There is absolutely no other way to understand His response to Philip.
Here's what happened:
In John 14:8, Philip makes a direct request of Jesus: "Show us the Father"
Okay - Who is Philip asking to see? Who is meant by the phrase "the Father"?
God Himself. Considering the context of who Philip is (a Jew), there is NO other way to understand that.
This is irrefutable.
Look at the response Jesus gives in verse 9. "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father."
Using the context of who Philip is, and only meaning possible for the phrase "the Father", Jesus answers and directly tells Philip: "If you've seen Me, you've seen Him. If you've seen Me, you've seen God Himself."
This, also, is irrefutable.
In the bible god has many sons not only Jesus
Exodus:4:22 Israel is my son, my firstborn
Samuel 7:13-14 I will be his Father and he shall be my son (Solomon)
Psalm 2:7 You are my son. Today I have begotton you (David)
Jeremiah 31:9 For I am a Father to Israel and Ephraim is My firstborn.
Luke 3:38 the son of Adam the son of God
Thank you so much for making this video. It really helped me to understand so much.
The video is a LIE... GET EDUCATED... They are J W PERSECUTORS...
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@@classickruzer1 not JW is lie a cult the founder claimed he could read Greek and couldn’t even do that when he went to court. He’s no different from Mohammad, Joseph smith and Ellen white
@@thtboyjosh_ Yeah, okay, keep pushing your LIES and PROPAGANDA . You haven't a clue about J W's but want to get on here and vomit your crap like you're an expert. You tell me what lie the J W's are.. I'll wait and I'll disprove everything you say.. Everything by scripture. So come on.. Let's hear it ..
@@classickruzer1 Thanks for your response. It’s always great to dialogue like the Bereans Acts 17:10-12. Are you a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ and making other disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ? Are you in Christ? Mentioned 300 times. Doe the Lord Jesus live in you?
Colossians 1:15-17 -- _"Who is the image of the invisible God,_ the firstborn of every creature:
For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: *all things were created **_by_** Him,* and for Him: And He is before all things, and _by Him all things consist."_
So it clearly states that Jesus is the _image of invisible God Almighty._ Putting that together with John 1:1-3, where John says Jesus is the [Spoken] *WORD* of God? This means that when God _Spoke_ for the first time, God Almighty chose to become visible in Form and this is Who Jesus is: *the visible Form of God Almighty.* This _does not_ at all mean Jesus is somehow separate in power to God Almighty, nor on any lower form of Deity.
So any other verse you quote should be interpreted in this light.
John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. *All things* were *made **_by_** Him;* and *without Him was **_not any thing_** made* that was made."
Angels worship Jesus, therefore Jesus _must_ be God Almighty.
What do you make of: Genesis 1:26-27 -> "Let *Us* make man in *Our* Image..." ?
*US* and *OUR* are *PLURAL* (more than one), and yes, it then goes back to singular. This is clearly showing the *THREE* in *ONE* God clearly spoken of now in the New Testament.
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*Jesus is God Almighty!*
John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. *All things* were *made **_by_** Him;* and *without Him was **_not any thing_** made* that was made."
Angels worship Jesus, therefore Jesus _must_ be God Almighty.
One can only worship God Almighty. The 3 wise men *worshiped* Jesus when He was born:
Matthew 2:11 -- "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and *worshiped Him:* and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto Him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh."
Jesus *did not* rebuke Thomas when Thomas called Jesus LORD and GOD...
John 20:28-29 -- "And Thomas answered and said unto Him, *"My LORD and my GOD."* _Jesus saith unto him,_ *"Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."*
Jesus is God Almighty.
Matthew 14:33 -- "Then they that were in the ship came and *worshiped Him,* saying, Of a truth Thou art the *Son of God."*
Jesus did not rebuke them for *worshiping* Him! One can only worship God Almighty!
Jesus came humbly and did not speak plainly to most people when here because He had a mission to complete. He *did* hint at His Divinity a few times, but you have to look for it and be open to accepting the truth!
Look at John 8:56-59 -- "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad." Then said the Jews unto him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, *_I AM."_* Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
The Jews picked up stones to cast at Jesus because Jesus was clearly proclaiming to be the *_I AM_* of the Old Testament scriptures, the One GOD Who spoke to Moses and said "I AM that I AM." They wanted to stone Jesus because they thought Him to be committing blasphemy for claiming to be GOD Almighty.
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Acts 7:59 -- "And they stoned Stephen, *calling upon **_God,_* and saying, *_Lord Jesus,_* receive my spirit."
Stephen knew Jesus is God.
Micah 5:2 -- "But thou, *Bethlehem* Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall *He* come forth unto me that is to be *Ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth have been **_from of old,_** from EVERLASTING."*
Jesus was born in *Bethlehem!*
Isaiah 7:14 -- "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a _virgin shall conceive,_ and bear a *_Son,_* and shall call His name _Immanuel."_
Jesus was born from a virgin! Immanuel means *GOD with us*
Read the prophecy of Jesus' coming in *Isaiah 9:6* -- "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The Mighty GOD,* The *Everlasting Father,* The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:22-23 -- Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the LORD by the prophet, saying: "Behold, *a virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son,* and they shall call His Name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us."*
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Isaiah 44:6 -- *"Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; **_I AM the First, and I AM the Last; and beside Me there is no God."_*
Isaiah 48:12 -- *"Hearken unto Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I AM He; I AM the First, I also AM the Last."*
*Jesus* says in: Revelation 1:8 -- *"I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY."*
Revelation 21:6 *"It is done. I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. ..."*
Jesus says again in Revelation 22:13 -- *_" I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."_*
Many people quote the other verses where Jesus is leading people to not realize His Divinity, but those people do not understand that Jesus spoke that way to most back then because Jesus came to humble Himself and die for us. There are exceptions where Jesus revealed His Divinity, but it had to be for good reason (to provoke pharisees, especially). This was all coordinated.
Paul says it clearly in Philippians 2:5-11 -- "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him _the form of a servant,_ and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, *He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death,* even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a Name which is above every name: That at the Name of JESUS _every knee should bow,_ of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father."
1 Timothy 3:16 -- "And without controversy _great is the mystery_ of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh,* justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
*Jesus is God Almighty!*
Revelation 21:3-7 -- "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the *tabernacle of God is with men,* and *He* will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and *God Himself shall be with them,* and be *their God.* And *God* shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And *He that sat upon the throne* said, Behold, *I* make all things new. And *He* said unto me, Write: for these Words are True and Faithful. And *He* said unto me, *It is done. I AM Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.* I Will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of Life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and *I Will be his GOD,* and he shall be My son."
^ What you see above ^ is *JESUS CHRIST* - The ALPHA and OMEGA (Revelation 1:8 ; Revelation 1:11 ; Revelation 22:13 ; Isaiah 41:4 ; Isaiah 44:6 ; Isaiah 48:12) - speaking and He is saying that He Will be their *GOD.*
*Yes, Jesus is God Almighty! :)*
@ Liberty and Justice ... my friend the Bible that you are using uses the word by, but in the original Greek the Greek word is Dia which means "through". Why do other Bibles use the word through? And that Bible that you're using which is a biased translation the King James version. New Bible translations use the word through not by. Go to Strong's Concordance and look up the word by and see that it is the Greek word DIA. The Greek word Dia means through not by. So it is "through" not " by ". Everything was created through Jesus not by Jesus. Pretty big difference. The only question for you is why do those other Bible translations use the word through? And by the way many of those Bibles are not the new world translations of the Holy scriptures. So why do they use the word through just like the New World Translation?? It is because the newer Bible translations have discovered that the original Greek word means "through". Just something for you to think about my friend. Many blessings to you, If you can see that Jehovah God created everything "through Jesus not "by" Jesus.Agape
@@jazzbassf what about revelations 1:8?
@@amanajs704 my friend, look at Rev 1:1 who gave Jesus the Revelation? And Rev 21:6,7 shows that Alpha Omega has sons, isn't Jesus the Son of God, Jesus never called anyone his sons, he called his disciples his brothers, The Father never called anyone his brothers. AGAPE
@@jazzbassf and what about fasting according to Jehovahs witnesses? Is that true or not and what do you mean by "AGAPE"?
@@amanajs704 sorry friend , but why did you not acknowledge my answer to you on Alpha and Omega? Fasting is up to the individual , Agape means Christ's Love
The Living God is Jehovah. (Jeremiah 10:10) Jesus is the Son of the Living God. (Matthew 16:16)
@@---qb1bf Very true. And he is dependent on his God and Farther. Even the life he has is granted him. He says so. And once you worship someone other than yourself you can’t be the same being. God doesn’t worship anyone. That’s what makes him God. The God Jesus worshipped. Jehovah is His Name.
@lary Snw Exactly! Jesus can’t be the God he himself worships. (Revelation 3:12) Even after he is exalted in heaven still has someone God to him. Jehovah is His Name.
He was in the world ,the world was made by him, and the world knew him not . John 1:10
(John 1:10) He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.
THROUGH does not mean BY.
My father is an elder in the Jehovah's witness and I am a follower of Christ! I believe God will see me through!
bsymph Jesus isn't God. And knowing JWs are Restorationist such ones follow the bible to the very roots.
Zoll then explain how Jesus is Michael the archangel! Jws believe that! And they also don't believe in hell!
bsymph They believe that Jesus is Michael because both of them lead the same people of God out of harm's way, they are both above the angels and both had lead the angels into battle against Satan and his demons, they both also rebuke Satan and they both have an Archangel's voice as well as titles.
This belief began in the 8th and or 9th century and had been believed by mostly Restorationist Christians, even beyond the second and third awakening if you count History of Christianity. The only difference is some also believe Jesus/Michael is God while others do not, others believe either an pre-existing Jesus/Michael for Jesus was not Jesus until prior his birth and so forth. This doctrine did not originate with the Jehovah's Witnesses.
They, as well as others, even myself, do not believe in hell being the lake of fire and there is a verse that even proves this and what the lake of fire actually is, that is if you adhere to the original source of the bible, in addition to that any man who has read the Hebrew Old Testament they would see how God deals with people who pass people alive through the fire let alone God's emotional reaction and what God had allowed to happen to the likes of Ahaz or that of Menassah, who ended up begging to God via repentance.
Zoll it's the father the son and the holy spirit! I highly doubt that Michael the archangel is God's son
bsymph Friend, it is not about doubt or assuming. When it comes to biblical hermeneutics, there is always a how and a why and there are indeed verses in scripture that shows how connected Jesus and Michael were or in this case how is it the pre-existing Jesus, before being called Immanuel or Jesus, his name and status in heaven before he was born of a woman into the law and after becoming the Christ, knowing his position and what is to come and so forth.
The problem here is not with Jesus Michael or not, the thing that seems to cause a stirr is Jesus' status of a messenger, a representative of God by means of Shaliah Principle.
I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but I have read the bible. I have a question. Christians are suppose to imitate Jesus, right? My question is...Who did Jesus worship? From what I've read, Jesus, as a Jew, worshiped Jehovah. If a Christian worships any other god and not the true one (like the one Jesus did - Jehovah) then they are not Christians ...they are not imitators of Christ. Can you debate this?
Awesome. Good knowledge to arm myself with, and I love that we are to do it lovingly.
Jesus is a simple servant and John 13:16 proves it.
Jesus is the Son of God, and is at Jehovah's Right hand.
Philipians 2:11
Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Jehovah.
@@r0b0gam3r9 correct rather then saying Jesus is Jehovah it is saying Jesus is lord to the father's glory not his own or our glory... I guess they have different glories but that would kinda debunk they're John 17 theory wouldn't it?
@@r0b0gam3r9 I agree we are both nontrinitarian christians I was raised JW but my biblical understanding has differed slightly, i'm not apostate either as I don't speak against them and I still go to meetings though not as often as I should, just trying to make the truth my own and i'm totally on board that the bible is a henotheist book.
@@r0b0gam3r9 someone gets it finally i thought i was alone here. Jehovah be with you brother.
I know this is an old video but there is some incorrect information regarding the word Jehovah. Jehovah is not a Greek word, it is a latinized form of יְהֹוָה and it does not appear in any of the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Secondly, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, uses ο κύριος to translate יְהֹוָה. and does not use Jehovah. Jehovah is a poor phonetic transliteration of Yahweh.
You forgot to mention that not only is the word Jehovah not in any Greek NT text but that neither is the word Jesus or the word God. This is because they are English words and so we would not expect to find them in the Greek text. However, there are numerous copies of the Septuagint which still used the ancient Hebrew letters for YHWH and so you appear to be incorrect in this matter. Likewise, there are a number of Jewish scholars on TH-cam insisting that the divine name was pronounced Yehowah (with the W sounding as a v) and certainly NOT Yahweh.
Ewan Kerr JWs themselves admit the YHWH does not exist in the Greek scriptures but they insist in inserting it. Why?
They claim the Greek scripture were corrupted. Is so, what else is corrupted? How can anyone trust the Greek scriptures after that?
JWs also know that the first time the word Jehovah appeared in writing was in the 13th century when Raymundus Martini, a Catholic monk, translated the YHWH. Why use a Catholic incorrect translation that mixed up ADONAI and YHWH as their name? I don’t get it.
I am sure the JWs can speak for themselves. The divine name does feature in ancient Hebrew in copies of the Septuagint from which the early Christians quoted/copied. It seems a distinct possibility that there may have been copies of the divine name in early copies of the NT which are now lost to us as most if not all the early copies are.I am not aware of the claim that he JWs claim the NT is corrupted and have never seen this in their literature. Perhaps you can provide a reference.They use the name, I guess, because that is the name of God found in the King James Bible and most other English language Bibles of the time. Indeed, there are TH-cam videos by Jewish language and Biblical specialists readily available online who argue that he name must be pronounced Yehowah ( with the W spoken as a V)Few, if any, object to the name Jesus when we know it was most likely Yeshua . But Jesus is the traditional name and has been used for centuries.
Maximus Octavius it does not exist in the Greek scripture they put it in where it’s quoting the Hebrew text where it is in. On this they should of stuck to what the Greek say in the Greek scripture. It’s still accurate I guess in translating but best to stick to what the Greek says. Apart from that it’s a pretty accurate translation
Correct. Though noone knows the exact pronunciation.
This verse sums it up
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
This verse was also used for King Hezekiah. Doesn't make the King of Judah God.
The verse in question is related to Jewish Customs.
They dont know & can't explain why Jesus is prophetically called a "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6.
And when Satan tried to test or tempt Jesus and he brought him up to a high up place and offered him all the glory of the nations & the kingdoms of the earth who did Jesus in response say all the glory belongs to,??????
why would Satan tempt a Mortal Man... born to die in sin... ?
Jesus was just Baptized and this is a test He hasn't passed yet .
Nobody healed, raised or fed yet - > no Atonement or Resurrection yet
Did Jesus get or even share Glory afterwards ? does He now ?
I am not a J.W., OR a Mormon, I am a BORN-AGAIN, BLOOD-BOUGHT, BIBLE-ONLY, TRUE-BLUE, in LOVE with my GOD and His Son--Christian man. But I HAVE to say something here. If there IS ONE area of theology where the J.W.S' are CORRECT--it's this VERY SUBJECT. Christ NEVER said he was God! He ALWAYS GLORIFIED the FATHER. Jesus TALKED to the FATHER--God does NOT talk to Himself. Jesus PRAYED to the FATHER. God does NOT PRAY to HIMSELF. Jesus said things like. "Not MY will, but YOURS (the FATHER'S) be done." Also, "...mine is to do the WILL OF MY (my what?) FATHER." Also: "I can do NOTHING by MYSELF." He said THIS: "My FATHER does the WORK." Jesus even referred to the FATHER as the "ONLY TRUE GOD." The word "Trinity" and ALL those trinitarian "terms" are not only COMPLETELY ABSENT from the pages of Holy Writ, we find their ORIGINS in ancient Greek Mythology, which the Roman Catholic church BORROWED" from! Furthermore, unlike the FATHER, Jesus "came into the world" like you and I. And, just John the Baptist, Christ had to "GROW STRONG IN SPIRIT." WHY. Why did "God" have to "grow strong in spirit?" Dear brother's, answer me this! Scripture CLEARLY declares: God (the FATHER) GAVE Jesus "ALL POWER and AUTHORITY." WHY? Would he not--as GOD--already HAVE this? But what about THIS? Read your New T. CAREFULY; scripture even says God (The FATHER) GAVE Jesus the...HOLY SPIRIT!! Now wait a minute. You are frantically attempting to form some kind of reasonable apologetic, but HONESTLY--how do you QUALIFY your reply in light of these SERIOUS problems? How many times in the Old T. does God (the FATHER) SAY He is NOT A MAN?!? Do you honestly believe baby Jesus was (literally) GOD? Please say you entertain no such foolishness. We know that Jesus spoke as both MAN and GOD. You unwittingly fall "prey" to this somehow PROVING Jesus is God. But you fail to grasp the SIMPLE reason WHY he sometimes speaks the ACTUAL WORDS of the Father. Is this NOT what we would expect from time-to-time? Would the FATHER not speak DIRECTLY THROUGH His "one and only BEGOTTEN Son" now and then? Well, of COURSE He would--and He did! Look at the NAME itself; there's a revelation right THERE! Jesus means, Savior. What does CHRIST mean? It means..."The ANOINTED ONE.." So TELL me, good brother's, WHO anointed WHO? And WHY is it that the FATHER knows the TIME of the Son's return--but the Son himself does NOT? I could go into this MUCH deeper, but if you do not "SEE" it yet, perhaps in time. We are praying for you, beloved brother's and sister's in the faith. My love to you. God (The FATHER) bless you.
raymond Gabrelcik/ Ray, I appreciate your comment & your candidness. Please consider this. John 3:16 is arguably the most famous Script from God's Word. Jesus said, & I implore you to pray on this deeply: that a person either "Has everlasting life, or he perishes." The idea that we have something in us, either "Spirit" or "Soul" that is immortal, is NOT a Bible teaching, it is straight out of Plato's playbook & is indeed a sly variation of that first venomous lie that Satan told Eve, that when you die, you don't really die, ie. your flesh dies but another part of your personhood is indestructible. The Bible states that people will be resurrected by Christ Jesus if they are worthy to receive a resurrection or they will never see the light of day again. When YHWH told Adam, "Son on the day you eat from the tree, you will positively DIE. He didn't even come close to inferring; I'm going to burn you consciously on fire forever. Jehovah is a GOD of.Love & Justice & neither would be applied as a sentence for 70 yrs. of Sin. It would be more like (INSANE) !!! Even more than the Nature of God; the misunderstanding of Hell & what it really is, Confounds my psyche & sensibilities the utmost. The wages Sin pays is Death, we PERISH, we no longer get to enjoy life, it is indeed punishment, it is written, it is biblical. The Lazuras parable is not describing afterlife, it would not reflect conciliation with the rest of Scripture if it was. The Lake of Fire is Symbolic of the second death from which there is no escape, the smoke of which is the emblem of everlasting torment that it represents. That is why it says that (Death.& HELL,ie.the Common Grave of Mankind,) are cast into the Lake of Fire, because Death itself will be swallowed up FOREVER. REVELATION 20:14 KJV Thanx for listening Ray!
One minute , what does it mean when Jesus day, “ you honour me with your lips and not your hearts. The scriptures are written for, about me. The very book of genesis is literally already mentioned just by the names of all. Check out Chuck misslers expose regarding this. Thanks
@@carlgois8579 Carl, Jesus was quoting Isaiah & Isaiah is referring to YHWH//// YAHWEH//// JEHOVAH, JESUS 'FATHER, the ONE JESUS called, "The Only True God! JOHN 17:3 KJV.
@@jerryshunk7152 First of all you are all liars and servants of Satan and here is proof: When the Messiah returns, Yeshua, what Holy Days will we keep during the 1000 years of his reign here on earth?
Zechariah 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES.
NOT PAGAN CHRISTMAS NOR EASTER WHICH ARE ABOMINATIONS. Easter eggs is from the Pagan tradition of sacrificing babies and dipping eggs into their blood which is why SOME DENOMINATIONS STILL USE RED ONLY!
NOT CHRISTMAS NOR EASTER!
What about the lies of Satan that we can eat whatever we want? Eating Pigs like some degenerate Pagan?
Isaiah 66:15-17
For, behold, YEHOVAH will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will YEHOVAH plead with all flesh: and the slain of YEHOVAH shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, AND THE ABOMINATION, AND THE MOUSE, SHALL BE CONSUMED TOGETHER, SAITH YEHOVAH.
What about the true Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset?
Jesus WAS A JEW! He kept the Torah! Sin is the TRANSGRESSION OF THE TORAH! He attended the synagogue on the SABBATH NOT Sunday!
Here is what YEHOVAH prophecies in Isaiah about HIS SABBATH and how ALL THE NATIONS WILL KEEP IT ALONG WITH ISRAEL WHO ARE BROUGHT BACK TO ISRAEL:
Isaiah 56:6-8
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to YEHOVAH, to serve him, and to love the name of YEHOVAH, to be his servants, every one that KEEPETH THE SABBATH FROM POLLUTING IT, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; FOR MINE HOUSE SHALL BEf CALLED AN HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL PEOPLE.
8YEHOVAH GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
Satan has replaced Torah with false religions of Judaism , Catholicism, and Protestantism along with the European DEATH CULT RELIGIONS of Humanism, Darwinism, and Socialism/Communism. This is why you send your kids to school to be radicalized into FAR LEFT SATANISTS! This is the fruit of False Judaism and Christianity!
Yea, Yeshua is a man NOT GOD! HE DIED AND DOESN'T KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR OF HIS COMING EXCEPT YEHOVAH! HOW CAN A GOD NOT KNOW EVEN OF HIS SECOND COMING?!?!?!?!?!?
ISAIAH 45:5
I am YEHOVAH, and THERE IS NO ONE ELSE, THERE IS NO God BESIDE ME: I girded thee, THOUGH HAS NOT KNOWN ME:
@@teknoir1544 R U Troll or Ghoul !😶
I solely intend to stand on the side of truth.
JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
"Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added
Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture.
"suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies.
God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you react the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
IS THE TRINITY REASONABLE?
· God asked himself and offered himself as sacrifice to himself to go to earth to save mankind himself.
· Then he agreed with himself and offered himself as volunteer to do it himself.
· Then he impregnated a woman with his Holy Spirit (which is also himself) to give birth to himself.
· While on earth, God prayed to himself (John 17:1) and glorified himself repeatedly.
· He prayed to himself and offered supplications (Heb 5:7-8) to himself because he needed to strengthen himself.
· Finally, God forsook himself (Mat 27:46) and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself (Heb 3:2,6).
· While dead, he resurrected himself (Acts 2:24), so that he could exalt himself above himself (Acts 2:33).
· Then he sat at his own right hand (Heb 1:3, Psalm 110:1) and waited for himself to place his enemies as a footstool under his own feet (1Cor 15:25).
Respectfully, I CANNOT make any sense of this!!!
*So Many Errors in This Video* 👎🏽
*• Definite Article is "the"*
*• Indefinite Article is "a or an"*
He says the name " jehovah is a greek word, but as far as i can remember " jhvh" was a latinized form of "yhwh". So how come it is a greek word?
YHWH and Jehovah are two different ways to pronounce the same word in the Hebrew (יהוה), I think he is confused with the Greek word Kurios (Κυριοσ) translated as Lord in the NT. The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament clearly translates YHWH as kurios which means lord or master).
@@spyben3 Yes the name Jehovah was invented by a Spanish Catholic Monk in the year 1270 AD coming from the YHWH . Vowels were inserted between the consonants to come up with the name Jehovah and this name was never before this time used. Yahweh would be a better name and more accurate.
@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 People all over the world have different pronunciations of The True God's Name & recognizes his Name
Mocking the witnesses for their ministry is also a strange comment as the bibles continued theme is to go and make disciples which is the point of ministry?? Surely
The Bible is talking to Christians
I don't mock them as much as I refute them. Because the Jesus the JWs preach is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. And the way of salvation they preach is NOT the way of salvation presented in the Bible. They present a false Christ and a false message of salvation. All going door to door does is deceive the ignorant and lock them even more into being alienated from God and salvation.
@@jamesritter5078 foolish
@@ben3025 - No, ben. It's not foolish - It's true, and I can actually prove that it's true.
The only question now is - Do you have the courage to see the proof?
@@jamesritter5078 jesus isnt bad, jesus is a way to god, he just isnt god himself. He's the son of god. The question is are you part of the 144 thousand? Who knows lol but it doesnt matter there is still a paradise on earth for the righteous ones after the final battle is over; satan is imprisoned.
I had a JW read out Isaiah 9.6 and asked her who it was about. She looked shocked and uncomfortable like she had never seen this verse before. She answered 'Jesus' I said who is the Prince of Peace? 'Jesus.'. Who is Everlasting Father? 'Jesus.'. Who is mighty God? 'Jesus.' She couldn't deny what she read. She became soooo angry and left. Gave her food for thought there
No food for thought required as nothing perplexing about Jesus being called Mighty God. Did you ignore the beginning of Is 9:6 for it says *And his name shall be called* So it’s a reference to a title, office or name not an ontological status. Now if you can show a text stating in any manner Jesus *is* Almighty God then you have something.
Col. 1:15-17 Jesus is the Creator.
@@user-yt5mh7kn6d Try again as this text is one of the most outstanding proof of the opposite.
I'm surprised she seemed shocked as we love this verse as JW's, it comes up often in our study.
Even more surprised she "got angry", as I can't understand why...it's a bit strange.
Regardless... when you read that verse, and you read "everlasting father", do you therefore believe Jesus is THE Father? As in the one he told us to pray to in matt6:9,10?
Don't trinitarians call that "modalism"? Apparently it's another heresy.
Could it be something to do with his role as the "last Adam"?
After all the next verse tells us it is YHWH that makes it possible for Jesus to receive all those awesome titles.
Isa9:10 ASV "...The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this."
He prays to himself? Also, through out the bible it's perfectly clear that he's the son and God's the father. I'm kinda new at religion.
your right jesus is a representation of his father....but not the father...and when he was being baptized...who was speaking from heaven....jesus again or was it God his father......and again jesus spoke about not doing his will but the will of the father....was he talking about himself again....No...it was Jehovah the one who sent him..
Simeon Llewellyn Water is not ice and ice is not vapor/steam..... but yet they are all still H20 just different forms. God is like this,.... different but the same. Yet God is more complex than water lol... Is the God of the entire universe so simple that humans can understand him?
unless he himself reveals the knowledge.
Wtf? I am simba son of muffasa!
All through out the bible this pattern is all through out the bible hundreds of times and it always mean exactly what it says! But this one time you think it needs explaining? ,Jesus said father forgive them for they know not what they do!....so he was talking to who himself? .......congratulations you should hook up with the Lord and shot a theocratic version of the movie split!
If we are created in his image....name one normal human considered healthy with multiple people in his head?
God-Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Man-Body, Soul, Spirit.
Yall gonna make this guy wish that he never made this video.
@@ingodwetrust7778 Bite ,Chew and Spit!🤓 Peter, Paul, and Mary😁
@@j.wat.3437 Wow, this new TH-cam update absolutely sucks. I literally just found all your comments since last week. I didn't even know you replied. This is why I like the older ways. They actually work. Anyway, I managed to find a couple of verses in reference to God in the Old Testament, confirmed by Jesus in the New. One of these verses include Zechariah 12:10, confirmed in John 19:37. Zechariah 12 is all about God and his people Israel, with God speaking. You can tell that it's God because the phrase "saith the LORD" is used, which is the same in translation as "saith Jehovah." With that context in mind it can very well be understood that the pronouns "I" and "me" are a direct refrence by Jehovah God to himself, and the pronoun "they" is in relation to the Nation of Israel. Zechariah 12:10:
"And *I* will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon *me* whom they have pierced..."
John 19 quotes this verse in refrence to the soldiers piercing "him" with a spear. John 19:36-37
"For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on *him* whom they pierced."
The problem arises when one understands that Jesus was the one pierced with a spear, not the Father. This contradicts the idea that the Father was speaking in Zechariah 12:10 and upholds the fact that Jesus is Jehovah God.
@@ingodwetrust7778 it's good to hear from you! And you're right spot on. That is Jehovah talking in the 12 chapter of Zachariah. The book is referring to the temple being rebuilt, the protection of the Nation and the restoration of true worship. The Almighty speaks it. Jesus was pierced just as Jehovah God said. But we cannot overlook that it was Jesus hanging up there. It was Jesus crying out " my God my God ." The pain that Jehovah felt was seeing his son suffer, but the joy of him doing it. Remember it was Jehovah's purpose for Jesus to go through this. For the purpose that we can be reconciled to God. This reconciliation was in the future. After his death and resurrection he entered heaven again. He has built the heavenly temple and restored true worship in the " time of the end." Who leads it? Who should we follow? The appointed King, Prince, Ruler, Head of the Christian Congregation. Jesus Christ. The Israel of God is heavenly.
Trinitarians have nothing to stand on but the twisting of the scriptures that they read or those they ignore. When I was a kid, growing up in church, I was the one kid that had the job in getting the Lord's Prayer started. Cute as it was, I questioned the words and admitted something that grown-ups to this day will not do. You don't even understand the prayer that you quote! Is this a chant that Jesus wanted you to just say? Please turn to it, read it. Every 4 or 5 words stop, think and meditate on Jesus words.
My point in this is solely to follow what you said and that is to stand on the side of truth.
If that is truly the case, and if you are a JW, you will leave them. Because in terms of truth, the JWs have a false Christ and a false way of salvation.
Praise Jesus! love the explanation!
Worship the creator/God (Jehovah) not the creation/first born......(Romans 1:25)
And Satan tempted Jesus, What did Jesus say...???? (Matt. 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: (Satan): "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'"
@EJAG why do trinitarians never give praise to the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus praised his Father many times.
@@geraldsutton9981 notice too my brother that it says "him alone" which means no one but the Father. Jesus never said to "we alone" but Trinitarians can never see the true light. Blessings my brother🙂🙏
@@geraldsutton9981 yep, Jesus says to worship God only, that is why Jesus accepted worship.
@@jazzbassf I praise Jesus’ Father!🙃I praise the Godhead!🙌🏼
So, you did not actually answer the question you posed. So, there is nothing from this video that I can use to convince a JW. So far you have proved that Jesus said "I am He" and that he said he existed before Abraham. Why pose a question to which you have no convincing answer?
Neil Pittsley John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 8
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
John 5 23
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him
Philippians 2:9-11King James Version (KJV)
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
revelation 1:17
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
John 51-56
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
Neil Pittsley *someone brings up Sh'ma (Shema) Yisrael and when it was used by the Son = ultimate defeat of the Trinity doctrine*
Neil Pittsley Isaiah 9:6 John 20:28
Neil Pittsley something wrong with that.Nobody knows everything and sometimes you have to research.
Malcom Jones I recently finished a large document to help witness to the Jehovah's Witnesses if you would like I can send it to you
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: “The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. ‘The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence’ [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth].”
Your link for “Facts about Jehovahs witnesses Is giving me a 404 error. Can you please fix it? thank you
God blocked then because the Trinity is a 404 error
The Apostle Paul (Hand picked by Jesus) said on Several occasions:
BLESSED BE THE GOD & FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!
So the Apostle who wrote 14 BOOKS of God's word the bible said that Jesus has a
1. GOD
2. FATHER
Listen folks carefully
YOU CANNOT BE GOD IF YOU HAVE A GOD!!!!!
“Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, the sceptre of thy kingdom _is_ a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness, therefore God, *thy God,* hath anointed thee...” (Psalm 45:6-7)
God has a God.
What God?
“But *unto the Son* _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever, a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou Hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore God, _even_ *thy God,* hath annointed thee...” (Hebrews 1:8-9)
God has a God. This God is Jesus. Jesus' God is God the Father. Jesus is God.
@@ingodwetrust7778 A JW won't interpret that verse the same way because they perverted it in their NWT version. Their version says, "O god" instead of "O God".
@@ea-tr1jh That's why I like to follow it up with Psalm 45:5:
"I am the LORD, and _there is_ none else, _there is_ no God beside me...""
@@ingodwetrust7778 Still won't convince them. Nothing will. They're brainwashed. But you can try. A few do leave the organization.
@@ingodwetrust7778 They will just say that they are monotheistic because Jesus is not the "Almighty God".
I've heard them say he was "godlike", and some even described him as a "demigod" but none of them believe he is God. Utter ridiculousness.
The Watchtower clearly knows that the name ‘Jehovah’ was derived by the Jewish Catholic monk (Raymundus Martini about 1250 'ish) by inserting some vowels into YHWH. Now, doesn’t that clearly mean they know that Jehovah is not the true name of the Almighty God? And it is not a GREEK translation as mentioned @ 2:00. Also, Jehovah is NOT mentioned in the Greek of the NT ever!
The true name of GOD was revealed to mankind in Exodus 3.15
With that said, the true name of GOD was written in Hebrew and therefore clearly not 'Jehovah', whereas Jehovah, is a transliteration of the original Hebrew name, and quite obviously not the true name or pronunciation.
It has been my observation that the majority of the arguments surrounding this particular topic are riddled with confusion and all out ignorance - as people tend to get their panties up in a bunch over something that is completely notwithstanding.
@@SmalltimR JWs claim the way to salvation is the use of the divine name "Jehovah" in worship, ”Salvation - What It Really Means,” Watchtower, August 15, 1997 LOL, the also say its a misspelled, mispronounced name for God. Let Your Name Be Sanctified book & AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING 1971 Watchtower and Bible Tract Society p884-885 - literature elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270
@@SmalltimR *JW Organization wants to use a CATHOLIC name for God because it's common.* They align themselves with Christendom!!!
I thought William Tindall was the person who translated the name from YHWH to JEHOVAH.
Who anointed and resurrected Jesus? Acts 4: On hearing this, Peter and John raised their voices with one accord to God and said: 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against JEHOVAH and against HIS ANOINTED ONE. 27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS, 'WHOM YOU ANOINTED', 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur THROUGH THE NAME OF YOUR HOLY SERVANT JESUS.
Acts 5:30 Peter and John said:
The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.
Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus
John 20:17, Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. THIS SCRIPTURE IS PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD.
No your wrong. That doesnt prove Jesus is God.
Jesus "if you destroy this temple , I will raise it up again in 3 days" He was talking about his body.
Doubting Thomas calls Jesus "my Lord and my God".
@Tru Man, when Jesus said my Lord and my God in the original Greek it says the Lord of me and the god of me, so Jesus was talking about two persons because at John 20:31 he told Mary not to touch him because he was Ascending to his God and her God so, God cannot have someone who is God to him. And then at John 20:31 the Apostle John said that people may know that Jesus is the son of God, not God the son. The scriptures are pretty clear and explicit my friend , trying to use implied scriptures does not make that scripture say that Jesus is God. Many blessings to you if you can see what the bible really teaches about who is the true God. According To Jesus at John 17:3 he prayed to his father and said " this means everlasting life their knowing you the "only" true God and the one you sent forth, Jesus Christ. So Jesus himself said that the father is the "only" true God. There isn't a single scripture in the Bible that says that Jesus is the "only" true God!. Notice the word "only" .
@@Hello-ro8fq Sarah also called Abraham Lord, so according to your logic that would mean Sarah is calling Abraham Jehovah and Jesus.
@@Hello-ro8fq I never mentioned in my comment that you said "Jesus Christ is called lord so he must be God."
You on the other hand make mention of various instances where certain titles are used when speaking of both Jehovah and Jesus. Titles such as Lord, Savior, etc,. You're using rhetorical questions in order to imply that Jesus is God. You therefore don't have to actually say "Jesus is called Lord and Jehovah is called Lord, therefore Jesus must be God."
Prophet Nathan so please tell me ,is Jesus not God? We Baptize in the Name of the Father,the Son and the Holy Ghost. So that's makes three and to me it says that Jesus is not God,but the Son of God. Please correct me if I am wrong.
@@jazzbassf Doubting Thomas said my Lord and my God to Jesus. He was talking to Jesus. And Jesus didn't correct him. Thomas called just his Lord and His God. Lord of me God of me. Same thing.
Thanks for setting this straight. I have a Jehovah in my Neighborhood, keeps
Bothering me!
I promise you, all you have to do is respectfully tell your neighbor that you're not interested in engaging in spiritual conversations with him and agree to disagree. It's possible to remain good neighbors while respecting your differences and boundaries. Those with strong faith will be motivated to share their beliefs with others, but if it's a bother simply say that and move along. Just a suggestion =-)
it never gets boring to talk about Jehovah.
There is but 1 Jehovah (YHWH)
If Jesus was saying before Abraham I am and not I was or existed. Then from what you are saying he was making a clear statement that he was god! They would of shouted blasphemy saying you are god! However they didn’t. They threw stones at him because he had shown them for what they were hypocritical. But not one person shouted blasphemy or said you are calling yourself god!
So has anyone translated the Sumerian Tablets?
Enki
Enlil
Marduk
Who were the Geneticist gods that created us?
Sun Cycles 2000 do you know of the 42 negative commandments in the pyramids of Egypt that the romans found?...... I hope you don’t because there is a lot of misinformation and foolishness that enemy uses to turn people away from God.
That's interesting that you agree that Jehovah is the english version of the Greek Translation of Gods Name.( Sorry , the most holy name of God) And it's also true that the name of God ( Tetragrammaton / YHWH or JHVH are articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah)
That name was replaced by Jewish Superstition with titles such as Adonai , Abba , Elohim ( Which the pagan nation of Canaan also called their God) and so forth. These ether were titles such as lord or meanings much like a quality or a power, but not a name.
Where God's name has been replaced in many bibles in over 6800 areas , It's usually been replaced with all capital letters such as GOD and so forth. There are a few places that most bibles didn't completely remove it because the verse would have been completely senseless. In the King James and most other bibles , they actually left God's name in the Bible at Psalms 83:18 where it says: That men may KNOW that thou , whose name ALONE IS JEHOVAH , art the most high over the earth. Now if you put Gods name ( Yahweh or Jehovah ) back into the over 6800 verses its been replaced with titles , the whole conception of the bible would be completely different. It would be impossible to come up with a mystical teaching such as the trinity. It never was part of the early christian teachings and never showed up until the forth century , long after the completion of the bible . There's an unlimited amount of documentation on that.
So , the 100's of times Jesus mentioned different things about his Father , His God and Their (The Christians that were there when he said it)God and how when he was baptized the people heard Gods Voice say this is my Son and how he's referred to as the only begotten son , That the bible would actually make sense.
Hey Geo Bla I was hoping you could answer this for me.
Isaiah 44:6King James Version (KJV) 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 1:17-18King James Version (KJV) 17 And
when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand
upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:8King James Version (KJV) 8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
It's easy for those that want to worship the true God, know and be close to. Satan has blinded their minds they can see it, but they can't get it!
MATTHEW28--18 all autthority has been giving to me --Who gave him this
@Arthur Donehower it is amazing how Trinitarians will not answer your question and try to blindly dance around the answer , which is so obvious and reasonable my friend. Are you a JW?
@@jazzbassf Yes
@@arthurdonehower6115 excellent my brother, it's always nice to talk to a reasonable person, who does not twist the scriptures to prove a false narrative. Blessings
Honestly I’m glad we have the truth. And the always rejoice convention was literally so good😭💖Jehovah is letting us know we are not alone in this horrible world
@@jackielendel1530 yes Jackie , wonderful rejoice convention.
explaination until the last two minutes, i got lost in all those verses. We have johos in australia too. Not so many but enough to know they are out there. Greetings all
Do you know what is the fallacy of false dilema?....suggesting that there is only two options or Jesus was merely a human or He was the God almghty and also son of God almighy basically Jesus is his own father is a flase dilema....but JWs have a third option found in the bible extremely logical ...Jesus been the human name given to the Angel of the Lord we see thruough the bible and later revealed been Michael the great prince depicted in Daniel 12:1-2, read the OT complete and you will learn that angels are sons of God almighty (Job 1:6 and2:1) also they are called gods in Psalms 82:1-6,also will see the most powerful angel doing things and when you reach to the NT then the last book Revelation will make you head explote due to how many times Jesus is depicted as the most powerful angel or Son of God almighty
The dogma that Constantine championed was intended to put an end to dissensions within the fourth-century Church. However, it actually raised another issue: Was Mary, the woman who bore Jesus, “the Mother of God?
Yes 100% she is the mother of God. Because the very Jesus Christ she bore is God.
I am not religious but I do appreciate studying it from a Theological perspective.
I’m not sold on the Trinity if I’m being honest. Not only is the word not used in the Bible (which you explained) but I struggle with it for the following reasons:
A) Jesus prayed to his Father. In fact when he was dying he asked his Father why he had forsaken him? Seems odd that Jesus would pray to himself?
B) Jesus was resurrected. Why would God need to die am earthly death and did he resurrect himself?
C) Jesus is referred in Scripture as God’s only begotten Son. Again either God and Jesus are 2 distinct entities or God talks to himself (no disrespect)
D) The concept of a Triune Deity predates Christianity and I feel that all signs of the Trinity point to a repackaged pagan origin.
I am by no means closed minded and in my heart I’m always searching for the truth when it comes to my relation to the universe as a whole. I also appreciate your perspective and the respect you show to others who think differently.
The trinity doctrine is predicated-upon the existence of a triune god, that is to say, a god that is one being in three person.
Now to be fair, there are many variations and theological expansions as well as sub-definitions of the otherwise, simple definition cited here - though for the most part, this would constitute the primary component of trinity doctrine.
With that said, and with respect to the technical aspects of the so-called triune god, it is also worth noting that the onset of the persons of the godhead interacting with one another is generally reconciled by means of individual persons of the single being(or substance) of GOD who is one.
Now to be completely fair, I would not drag this out by playing the devil's advocate with apologetics and a defense of a doctrine that is far too controversial to be the truth of scripture, and of an infamous god who is is never actually established in scripture. That is to say; that there are no actual declarations, definitions or revelations of such a god(triune) found anywhere in scripture, just as there there are no records of anyone worshiping, teaching or preaching of such a god at any point in Bible history.
And so while there is no shortage of those believing they can justify such a god by means of proof-texts and residual arguments from scripture, it remains that they do-so without ever having established said god to begin with, making the doctrine one very big case of circular reasoning - as proponents of the belief find themselves justifying their belief, by means of supporting texts for a god that is never actually substantiated.
In addition to this, and to make matters worse, what declarations are written with regard to GOD's nature, prove to be the exact opposite of a triune god, as we find the GOD who sent Jesus to save mankind declaring Himself the source and cause of all things alone and by Himself;
_Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24
Therefore and much to the detriment of trinitarians, the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ, is not triune at all, but instead, the singular source from which all things are. Leaving no room whatsoever for any other; person, being, or otherwise.
And finally, and to conclude matters, the only recourse for trinitarians with this, is to invoke the being(or substance) vs person argument, in-an attempt to avert the contradiction of one GOD who is alone and by Himself. Thus concluding that the GOD(YHWH) speaking the declaration is none other than the being(or substance), who is one GOD alone.
However and as the terms used in the declaration(see; alone and by Myself), are entirely personal in nature, trinitarians are therefore forced to admit one of the persons of the triune godhead in order to qualify the declaration, therefore forfeiting their triune god in the process, as there can be no such condition as 'alone' and 'by myself' within the godhead.
- hope this little write-up proves useful to you, and GOD bless!
id say its easier to understand if you read the bible thinking Paul had a particular view, John had a different view, The authors of all the gospels had different ideas.... then as the decades passed Christians worked to mesh it all together in a variety of different ways.
A PROTESTANT publication states: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”-New Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.” And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”
Similarly, in his book The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: “The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the “Old Testament”] suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers.”-
In the nwt it is altered to “I have been” so I don’t think this strategy would work.
@Alexandria You said the nwt altered to "I have been" here are a list of other no witness bibles that say the same or similar thing
> 1869: "From before Abraham was, I have been." The New Testament, by G. R.
> Noyes.
>
> 1935: "I existed before Abraham was born!" The Bible-An American Translation,
> by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. why do these bible translations say the same thing as nwt ?
The expression at John 8:58 is quite different from the one used at Exodus
> 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or a title but as a means of explaining
> his prehuman existence. Hence, note how some other Bible versions render John
> 8:58: above
jazzbassf fenderjazz the NWT is altered. See John 1:1 there is no other tramping the world that says Jesus was “””a god””” little g
@@olmeckrav there almost 70 other translation that translates John 1:1 the same way as the NWT did you know that my friend? What do they see that they agree with the NWT ?
Herre is just a small sample of the many bible translations that translates John 1:1 and the word was a god
1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
" - A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)
1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885)
1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17]
1924: "the Logos was divine" - The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[18]
1935: "and the Word was divine" - The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.[19]
1955: "so the Word was divine" - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.[20]
1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
so with this small sample we can see that these translations agree with the NWT and this was before the NWT came into existence in 1950
jazzbassf fenderjazz That’s interesting. But there is no other God, true God, than YHWH. So how can Jesus be a true god? And see how many translations don’t add the “a” and the little g (god) to John 1:1 - www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%201%3A
@4:11 you made a mistake. You said they put a definite article, “the Word was a god” (JW translation). The word or letter “a” is not a definite article, as you mentioned. The definite article is the word “the”. The letter or word “a” is the Indefinite Article, whereas the word “the” is the definite article.
So true. And it's so funny that ALL Bible translators put the indefinite article ("a") in front of god at Acts 28:6 because the context rightly leads them to do so. In fairness, the same should be applied to John 1:1
@lary Snw The New World Translation is not regarded by any credible translation scholar as being an accurate translation. It is regarded (rightly) as actually a perversion, put out by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jason BeDuhn is sometimes appealed to as a "scholar" who endorses the NWT. He is a professor of religious studies. That is not by ANY means the same thing as an accredited translation scholar.
JWs are told by their leaders (whom they follow with no questions, so “masters” is a more accurate term than leaders) that the people who put it together were well-qualified to do so. Okay so who are they and what and where are their credentials in translation studies? If the JW claim of them being well-qualified is true, then produce the names and credentials so everyone can see for themselves. But that doesn't happen.
The truth is - When anyone reads the NWT, they are reading a book that was put together by people whom you have no idea at all whether they were qualified to do translation work. The NWT was created by the JWs in order to say what their doctrines say - Their doctrines came first - then the NWT was created to back them. This is totally backwards.
Seriously - Think about this - The JW doctrines came first, and then a "Bible" was created that supports them. Does that sound "right" to you?
No one need take my word for this - Go here and make up your own mind: www.gotquestions.org/New-World-Translation.html
@@soundsgood5314 It has nothing to do with fairness. They are different grammatical constuctions. Grammatical constuctions are part of the context you just mentioned. For a detailed grammatical analysis of John 1:1 and 8:58, see: Bowman, Robert M. Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus Christ, and the Gospel of John. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1989.
The trinity is confusion among Christendom it’s own believers . How can they explain it, when they don’t have a clue what it is
Jesus tells you who God is at John 20:17. In fact, it was the last thing he said so there would be no confusion.
na' ah mean? Exactly, there's also Revelations 3 : 2 and when Jesus was crucified, he cried out to God.
Hey na' ah mean? Love the name and the scripture you presented. If they cannot see that, they just do not want to see it.
na' ah mean? So true.
"Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,[a] for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Is there a God other than the God of Jesus and Mary?
@@TheCaledonianBoy my and God and your god meant as he is my God and also your God
@@TheCaledonianBoy, "The Father and I are ONE. If you've seen me you've seen the Father. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD." And the WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. The WORD is clearly referring to Jesus correct???
Jesus is the son of GOD. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He is the mediator between GOD and man! The only begotten son of GOD! The mediator between GOD and man, sent by GOD!
Jesus is God in the flesh. Read Isaiah 9:6 and believe that Jesus himself is the Creator. The name of Jesus is above any other name and He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. God bless you
The King James Bible was written with a Trinity in mind. People with Babylonian
pagan beliefs insisted that they're Triune god be included with the writing of the
king James in the 16th century. The original Aramaic and Greek scriptures had
already been finished by the last apostle of Jesus Christ in the 1st century A.D.
There was nothing more to add or take away. The complete 66 books were done.
They were the only books inspired of God ( 2 Tim. 3:16 ). All other copies hence-
forth were to reprint the books according to the centuries' language. But the true
meaning of the scripture was to remain intact. Another word could be used to
simplify the verse, but it had to stay in its context. It was not to veer off with words
that did not agree with the true meaning and it had to comply and not contradict
with other verses or books. John 1:1 is an example of the deliberate word change
that does not agree with the original Christian Greek scriptures. It contradicts other
passages and offsets the whole teaching of the inspired writings. Most of the king
James Bible is reliable, but use caution and wisdom by prayer for understanding.
And another example again is the name of God. The King James has replaced the
name JEHOVAH with "Lord", a title. Why? The Trinitarians who wrote it found a good
way to hide the name because Jehovah separated him from his son Jesus Christ.
Each one having his own name. How could they be a Trinity if they were apart having
their own personal existence one from the other? But God made sure his name was in
that Bible, his book, he's the author, and owner and had the right to intervene when
he saw the need. You can find his name at Psalms 83:18. How odd. At Psalms 42:
8, it says: I am the LORD, that is my name... which is it? These verses do not agree.
Who then is the LORD? There are many gods and many Lords. To whom is it re-
fering? It proves the King James Bible contradicts itself. Those using this Bible are
being misled and should look into its authenticity. It is a Trinitarian Bible. Not that
you should throw it away into the trash, you can still learn much from it just reexam-
ine the Trinity doctrine in it and save yourself a lot of confusion. May Jehovah be with
you and shed the scales from your eyes that refreshing blessings may come upon
you. And pray to him only, through his first-born son. Shun pagan doctrines. Do some
research on Triune gods that were worshiped long age. Archeologist have found many
idols centuries old with three heads. That's a good place to start. Jehovah expects us
to use our common sense.
#1 Wherenin the bible does it read that Yahweh Gave authority to forgive sins?
#2 Why did the Pharisees wanted to stone Yeshua?
#3 John 17:5 ..."with the glory I (Yeshua) had before."
#4 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
#5 Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
#6 Luke 17:15,18 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
#7 Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
#8 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
#9 1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true; and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
#10 Titus 2:13 looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Please Guy dont get me started on how the Council of Nicea Approved Canon Honours and Glorifies Jesus Yeshua as God in the Godhead. And last but not least, #11 Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
This my favorite, all will bow including God the Fathers. The term LORD in Hebrew is Adonai
And in Greek is Kyrios which in actuality is GOD.
Jesus is divine. He has to be for Him to be the Saviour of the world.
If Jesus is not God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?
His sacrifice saves us as it paid the ransom required.
Adam forfeited perfect human life. The ransom price was beyond any of his descendants to pay, as we are all born imperfect. (Ps49:7).
God's perfect justice required like for like. Soul for soul.
Jesus was transferred to the womb of Mary and born a perfect human. "The last Adam"..
He was able to pay the debt Adam left mankind in.
Matt20:28. Rom5.
Massive love on the part of both God, in sending his only begotten son, and also in Jesus, by willingly giving his life to give us a hope we could never have without his sacrifice.
Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”-John 14:28.
Because you understand the trinity wrongly. Years ago watchtower had a document on the Trinity. Once they were shown there understanding of the trinity were wrong this document diaappeared. Jesus is not the Father, and just like my human father, He was greater. But I am just as human as my own father, so Jesus being the Son is just as" God "as His Father. People believing in Monolism believe Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the HS. But this is NOT the trinity concept. The Father plays a role, So does the Son and so does the H S. While Jesus was on earth the Father gave Him aname exalted above everyname. Not every "other" NWT name. But Every name. All other available bible will say "all names". Check in your Inter linear Greek translation, under the Greek its correct, "every name", but right hand side off the greek / english the added. (other). Check what the bible says in Rev 22. when you add words to Gods bible, specially when it changes the meaning, or take words away. The leadership/ GB have lots of guts to change the words of the All Mighty God , but their day will come, they will wish theyhave never been born. Dont believe me, check in your translation book, there are many more such mistakes. I have nothing to gain, you have a lot to loose,
Philippians 2:5-6
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
The book teaches it rather u like it or not!
@NOBO Takoda
actually it does say it if u understand that being equal to God means u are God for no creation can be equal to the creator!
John 17 3
This verse is used alot please stop using it there is only one God so this can be applied to jesus and the hs
There is only one God!
@NOBO Takoda ok which english translation do u agree with?
Also grow up noones cherry picking anything it says it and thats the bottom line
@NOBO Takoda lol so u wont give the English translation u agree with ok we are done ignorance wont get u far!
Hebrews 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4 So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. 5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?
and yet you quoted verse 5 but hadnt got a clue what you quoted...
5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?
To which of the angels....NONE!
NO ANGEL WAS EVER CALLED THE SON OF GOD.
He sat down at God's right hand? That means that there are 2 seats? One is the God seat and the other is the Son seat. Does the Holy Ghost have a place to sit? Maybe they rotate? Do they work shifts? Hey! " holy ghost, you go handle this one ok" or do they work on automatic? I'm just trying to understand how you think this tri-God works. Moses said " listen oh Israel, Jehovah our God is One Jehovah " Jesus ( the Son of Jehovah ) quoted those very words. That image that they have made of the 3 God head looks like a Spielberg creature. It's scary looking. One head, with four eyes, 3 noses, with 2 ears. We fear our God cause we don't want to hurt or disappoint him. Jehovah our God is love. Not a Godzilla creature.
@@j.wat.3437
REGGIE - YOU JUST SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT!!!!
How many thrones are there in heaven?
Think about what you just wrote....THIS IS PRICELESS!!!
OMG I cant believe you wrote this and didnt think to try and fit your own doctrine into this statement instead of thinking about the very thing you attacked...
ONE GOD.
ONE THRONE.
You honestly think Christ sits next to his Daddy on another throne.
HOW MANY THRONES ARE THERE IN HEAVEN.
I WANT SCRIPTURE AND VERSE.
I;ll give you a clue, its in Revelation.
This is brilliant!!! Reggie your biblical knowledge has been absolutely appalling, but this takes the biscuit.
@@HenriettaMRiley I'm glad you enjoyed me having fun! You think that I could do stand up comedy? And I really don't enjoy making any feel bad about who and what they choose to worship. But I make no apologies for standing, and speaking the truth. The almighty God Jehovah and his son Jesus has been lied on a badly misrepresented by the trinity that his word dose not even say the word.
@@j.wat.3437
Reggie,
Yes you could do stand up comedy as that is laughable and completely against scripture as I stated.
Im dealing with the issue of your taught doctrinal statement of the 'throne'.
Stick with the subject at hand and try not to do the usual JW thing - deflection.
HOW MANY THRONES ARE IN HEAVEN.
ONE GOD Reggie who sits on the Throne remember.....
Where is God going to sit after someone takes his seat!
HOW MANY THRONES REGGIE?
I just say if that's what you want to believe go ahead and believe it but God is going to prove you wrong.
John 8:18 " I am one who bears witness about myself, AND the Father who sent me bears witness about me." Jesus is not God Almighty not the Father. Vs: 26 " the One who sent me is true, and the very things I HEARD from him" 28 and 29 " after you have lifted up the son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own initiative, but just as the Father who sent me, I speak these things. And the ONE who sent me is with me, he did not abandon me to myself because I always do the things PLEASING to him. Can that be any clearer? This truth about Jesus can set one free. Jehovah's Witnesses know and accept the truth about Jesus. It's our commission from the " master worker " to teach and explain the truth about Jesus.
Regular Hamster exactly , I don’t understand all this hatred and bash on JW. If you simply read and study the Bible there’s nothing wrong with what they’re saying
@@ezequieldiaz7282 thank you I agree to the full
John 1:18 says, No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god ( which is jesus christ ) who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. This means that god is not jesus because it says he was by his side not him.
minor discrepancy, Jehovah is not the Greek translation of the Hebrew Yahweh. it's a hybrid word created by the masoretes and first used by a Spanish Catholic monk by the name of Raymondus Martini in the 1290s.
NOTICE THIS!
Forward to 3:14. He mentions Jesus question to his apostles about who they believed he was (Matthew 16:15), but he stops right there and doesn't read the next verse! Matthew 16:16, Peter answers " you are the Christ, the Son of the living God" and Jesus goes on to confirm that Peter answered correctly in the next verse. Trinitarians have to avoid so many scriptures in order to try to convince people of the Trinity. Read your Bible for yourself, do your own research. Never stop studying and learning and praying for wisdom
*[Almighty God Appoints other gods]*
Just because someone bears the title *"GOD,"* this does not make them *worthy of being worshipped!*
Worship belongs to Almighty God The Father alone, Jehovah (Yahweh).
🚩 *Angels are gods*
🛑 So, if Almighty God appoints angels as *gods* in Hebrew & Greek Texts (Old & New Testament), are they *"false" gods?* 🤔
*[Authorized King James Version]*
• *Job 1:6; 2:1* - Angels are called *sons of God*
*[Heb: benehʹha·ʼElo·himʹ ]*
• *Psalm 8:5[a]* - For thou *[Almighty God]* hast made him *[Jesus]* a little lower than the angels *ʼ(elo·himʹ* /🚩 *gods;*
LXX Greek Septuagint)
• *Hebrews 2:9[a]* - But we see *Jesus,* who was *made a little lower than the angels*
*[Reference]*
*Lexicon for Latin Vulgate translation of the Holy Bible*
(1958), page 51, page 134:
*Angels are called:*
• *(individual) divine beings*
• *gods* 🚩
• *"the (single) gods* 🚩
🚩 *Humans are called gods*
• *Exodus 7:1 (KJV)* - GOD [Yahweh / Jehovah] appoints Moses as *[a] god* over Pharaoh (KJV)
▪︎ *Was Moses a false god? 🤔 No!*
▪︎ *Was Moses "Almighty God?" 🤔 No!*
• *Psalm 82:1* - *God* stands in the divine convention, pronounces judgment *in the midst of "gods."*
*Were these False Gods?* 🤔
*(This verse refers to "GOD" ruling over the Israelite Leaders)*
• *Psalm 82:6* - I have said, *‘You are gods,* All of you are sons of the Most High. *(same here)*
• *John 10:34* - Jesus answered them:
*“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?*
*(Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6 to the Jewish Leaders)
~~~~~~~~~
*[What Does "GOD" Mean?]*
The Hebrew word *'El* [In English- God] is a TITLE (not a name)...
It denotes "might & strength" *[Mighty One or Strong One]*
~~~~~~~
🚩 *JESUS / Mighty God*
*The Real Truth About "Mighty God"*
*[Isaiah 9:6]*
It is true that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is prophetically referred to as *"Mighty God" (Hebrew, ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ).* So is the Father in some texts....
Yet, no where in scripture is Jesus ever referred to as *God Almighty (Hebrew ʼEl Shad·daiʹ)* as in Gen. 17:1) This title *ONLY* applies to the Father *(YHWH: Yahweh* or *Jehovah in English).*
The only response I give them is slamming the door.
Tony Castellano why?
People one day will say those Jehovah’s Witnesses were the true faith all along
Not when you're guilty of changing your own bible after getting busted.
@@user-yt5mh7kn6d Not one time has any busting taking place with cogent fact support arguments. *Not one*
@@jahtruthdefender would you like to see it with your own eyes? Or you just want to believe that's not true?
@@user-yt5mh7kn6d Yes please Jerry I would like, in fact love to see what you got to prove "guilty of changing your own bible after getting busted."
@@jahtruthdefender Good. I would have shared it earlier, but when I do, they don't come back.
If you still have the 1984 ed. Of the NWT, turn to page 1547 and you will see this:
[ ] Brackets enclosed words INSERTED to complete the sense of the English text
Now read Col.1:15-17 and notice the word OTHER in brackets, so now we know that this word has been INSERTED.
Read it without the word OTHER and tell me what does that tell you who Jesus is? Creator.
Now go get your latest translation,the silver sword as they say. Read Col. 1:15-17, and you will now notice that the word OTHER is still in the scripture WITHOUT the brackets after ADMITTING it was INSERTED.That my friend is changing God's word.
Scripture doesn't contradict scripture. Read Genesis 2:1,2 where it says that God brought creation to it's COMPLETION.
Read Isaiah 44:24 where it says that God HIMSELF created EVERYTHING and asked who was with me? Also read Isaiah 45:12 while you're here. Notice the word MYSELF?
So here's a question, what was the OTHER THINGS that Jesus created and when?
And there is more verse I can find to relate on this topic.
john 8:57-58 when Jesus says" I am" he's making a temporal statement about his existence in answer to their question
you are not yet 50 years old, and still, you have seen Abraham?” ..
the thing is jesus existed before time even began so saying I am is him try to explain existed before time
When you don't have a solid foundation you end up with thousands of denominations full of people asserting they have the answers. Find a better foundation.
Read psalms 83:18 in the old king James version of the bible
@@r0b0gam3r9 until you find out that Jesus is "Jehovah"
Apologetic Evangelist Do you read the Holy bible? Matt 16:13-17 John 20:31 Jesus isn’t Jehovah. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Plain and simple, you don’t have to add your private interpretation. Interpretation belongs to Jehovah only. Gen 40:8
@@malcomjones2857 The only way is to let scripture interpret scripture. Yes those scriptures clearly state Jesus 'titles'. I'm speaking about His name.... the biggest revelation about God through scripture, that He exists in 3 coequal and coeternal persons. So, what was the preincarnate Jesus name?
Hint... it was not Michael. Heb 1:3-5
Apologetic Evangelist Do you believe God’s words are infallible? Tittles , are you kidding me. So your calling Jehovah a liar. Jehovah never said he was Jesus. Jehovah never said he was the Christ. Why would God the creator be anointed, he’s the Almighty God.He does the anointing. What the hell is a Apologetic Evangelist? Matt 16:17 Revealed by Jehovah by the Almighty God to Simon Peter that Jesus is God’s Son. Plain and simple. Where do you get Jesus is Jehovah?
Malcom Jones find two scriptures where God said he is the first and the last. Who is talking in those scriptures?
At 3:20 Matthew 16:15 is quoted but not put in context. This is the single best passage in the New Testament that reveals who Yeshua is. He is the Son of the most high God
Okay, but here's my question: Who cares? Seriously, you are not going to change their minds. The Witnesses are not the only people who believe that Jesus is subordinate to the Father. The Muslims believe that he is a prophet, but not the Father. The Jews, God's "chosen people", regard Jesus as an apostate heretic, not even close to being either the Father or the Son. I'm not a Bible expert, but even I recall reading Jesus say that the Father is "greater" than he is, and also that he (Jesus) pleaded for help from his Father on the night he was arrested. I never prayed to myself for help; if I did, and someone knew about it, I would deserve to be institutionalized and have the key thrown in the river.
Venom Juice
Christians care. JWs won’t change their minds but Christians are called to have a defense for their faith.
Jesus prayed to the Father. They are not the same PERSON so they can talk with each other like in Genesis 1:26.
What you are objecting to is not the Trinity but a heresy called Tritheism.
That the chapter i always take Jehovah witness to John 8 before Abraham I 'Am⚔🔥
@WORD ASSASSIN how is John 8:58 of any significance?
@wackoguywatch God created everything through Jesus. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation. He was not the co creator, but the means God used to create everything in heaven and on earth.
@wackoguywatch my friend with all due respect and Christian love , please look up that word "by" in the original Greek language the Greek word is 'DIA' which actually means "through" it does not mean "by" otherTrinitarian translations have corrected it , but the KJV still will not correct that word. The good news bible a Trinitarian translation "16 For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.
Notice it uses the word " through" not "by"
Just go to Strongs concordance and see for yourself what the word "DIA" means on Col 1:16
@Christopher Sawyer excellent response my brother...
@wackoguywatch by means "by someone" through means "through somone" that is why other trinitrian translations changed it to the word "through"
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Corinthians 8:6) KJV
The scriptures can't get any more clearer than this, we have One God, The Father and One Lord Christ Jesus. And let us not forget, the father is greater than the son and the head of the Christ is God. 🙏🏾
"I and _my_ Father are one. The Jews answered... thou, being a man, makest thyself God." (John 10:30, 33, KJV)
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he... said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:18, KJV)
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (Philipans 2:6, KJV)
One day everyone will bow and confess that Jesus is Jehovah (Philipians 2:11, KJV). To be saved you must confess NOW! Come to him before it's too late!
@@americanlegaldefense7789 Why don't you follow up with John and see what Jesus said in response to the accusation he was saying he was God. He disputed them, he didn't agree with them.
@@americanlegaldefense7789 Jesus is equal with God bcos of his sonship to His Father
_"Jesus is equal with God because of his sonship to his Father."_ @@remnantime3672
"To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (Isaiah 40:25)
"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (Isaiah 46:5)
@@americanlegaldefense7789 that verse is talking about other gods...theres1 God the Father n Jesus is His 1 begotten son...others cant be liken to...
To who was Jesus praying to? Who claimed him as a son? Who raised him from death? where is Jesus siting (at the right of God) Jesus was the first in all that came from God. Did you know that at the times of Moses people thought Jesus was God and Jesus told them the he was lord. ''' I'm going to my father, your father, my God, your God '''''. Jesus is the only one that could have been the perfect sacrifice. Jesus the only one able to open the 7 seals . When all is complete, Jesus will render the world to God and eternity will begin for the humans. Mary is not the mother of God, that would mean Mary was before God. The trinity came hundreds of years after Christ had died. The Holy Spirit is the power of God and with that you shouldn't mess with because is so obvious how powerful God is. Isn't the earth a stool for Jesus? When Jesus was around 2 , who directed the mages to where Jesus was? Who told Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem? Who told the both of them also to get the baby away from there? Who told the mages to go in another direction? Remember at such time Jesus was around 2 this is why the King order to kill all the children 2 and under figuring he can't miss killing the coming King ( Jesus). Rachel's weep. Satan wanted to be above God, he knows that won't happen so he's trying for people to put Jesus above God. The father feels through Jesus as well as Jesus do that what is pleasing to God. People are setting contradictions like heck out there be careful.I like to ask when it comes to talking about God and Jesus, '' ok if Jesus is God to who was he praying to''? it would be more than weird to say '' to himself''' lol HE was praying to God aboveeeeeeeeee, Jesus was here with ussssssssssss. RESEARCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
God is not a man. Jesus was a man. Jesus is not God.
God cannot die. In Genesis before Adam was created, He said: "Let us make man in our image." He was having a conversation with whom? Jesus did die.
Give me a single verse that says God can't die. And none of that garbage circular reasoning, just give me the verse. If you don't give the verse, your claim has no Biblical reasoning. Said verse doesn't exist, so it doesn't have a Biblical basis anyway. I suggest you study some more because this is blasphemy.
"...feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)
God can die, God did die, and that God is Jesus. One must believe that he is God before they can come to God!
"...he that cometh to God must believe that he is..." (Hebrews 11:6)
God loves you! Please, my friend, believe before it's too late!
@@americanlegaldefense7789 believe what?...
@@americanlegaldefense7789... Easy answer... read verse Revelation 1:8 my friend... God cannot die if he is the Alpha and the Omega right? He has No beginning and no end... So if Jesus died, he can't be the alpha and the omega can he... Jesus was created.. created by GOD JEHOVAH. He is the begotten of all creation... which makes him Special. Begotten means firstborn from all creation
@@americanlegaldefense7789 All Mighty God is the Alpha and th Omega mentioned in Revelation 1:8. There was never an end or will be an end to Jehovah God.
Where as Jesus was created, died, and then was resurrected on the 3rd day..
An All Mighty God could not die, be created or be able to ressurect himself..
NOW remember, Satan never questioned Jehova's Power. For he knew better than to.
But he did question his right to rule over us. Which is why were in this mess in the first place.
Man cannot rule over man! Look at all the death and greed in this world.
We need JEHOVAH as our ruler to guide us . It is why in the Lord's prayer we ask... However, the prayer “Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth”
Ivan Villavicencio I agree that Jesus was created. Which makes him a son of God as opposed to the son of God. Jesus even calls us sisters and brothers... by Bible reports.
To the speaker on the right hand side. I am assuming you are using the KJV.
When Jesus asked "whom say ye that I am", the answer was "the Christ" or "the Son of God" - *Never God*
Did you notice at John 8:24 where it says "I am he" that ye word "he" is in italics. That is because it is added to the text.
By the way in John 8:58 where Jesus uses the words I am is not the same as Exodus 3:14 where the Hebrew words are in the causative case meaning "I shall come to be" or "I shall cause to be" or "I shall prove to be" . The KJV and most Bibles get that wrong by saying "I am"
In John 8:58 the context is talking about age not identity. Jesus was saying that he existed before Abraham "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly do I say to you, From before Abraham was, I have been." (1869 Noyes Translation)
"Then Jesus said to them, "I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born." (1936 Williams NT)
You say Jesus is God. Ok. But what about the Holy Spirit? Surely the Holy Spirit is an equal part of the trinity? The trinity is a core doctrine, I suppose the ultimate core doctrine, of most churches. Why isn’t the New Testament full of single verse references to all three parts of the trinity? I don’t believe most Jews worship a trinity, and surely they take their worship from the Old Testament. If the Jews don’t worship a trinity, why should Christians, who surely worship the same God?
Hi James Ritter ,The grammar of Jn 8:58 requires that it be rendered as a state that started in the past and continues to the present. This is sometimes called a “Present of Past Action.” It cannot be properly rendered with a simple present tense.
The translation “I Am” is verbal nonsense. First, any translation which capitalizes "I Am" as if it were a title is ridiculous. EGO EIMI is not a title in Jn.8:58 (nor is it a title in Ex.3). It is the main clause and is modified by the adverbial phrase "Before Abraham was born." It is easy to see how nonsensical these translations are by substituting a name for EGW EIMI: "Before Abraham was born, Fred."
Rendering EGO EIMI here with the present tense “I am” is also grammatically erroneous. When EIMI is not used as a copula it always describes a state and is the imperfect form, both which denote duration and not a punctiliar event.
"I am (eimi) never has a punctiliar ending".-Edward Goodrick; Hebrew and Greek
Also, when a Greek present verb occurs with a temporal clause it can throw the starting point into the past. In Jn 8:58 there is a temporal clause referring to past time "PRIN ABRAAM GENSQAI."
"The present which indicates the continuance of an action during the past and up to the moment is virtually the same as Perfective, the only difference being that the action is conceived as still in progress...it is frequent in NT: Lk.2:48; 13:7; 15:29, Jn.5:6, 8:58"-Moulton; A Grammar of the NT
Present tense "I am" is not an acceptable English translation when combined with a past tense indicator. We would never say "Before last week I exist [am]," or "Since last Tues. I exist [am]."
"We use the present perfect "have been" to describe a situation which was in the past and continues into the present.
Many translations render it correctly:
"I am here-and I was before Abraham."-Klist & Lilly
"I tell you that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am."-CEV
"The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born."-The Living NT
"I tell you I existed before Abraham was born."-See: Nida’s “A Translators Handbook to John” Goodspeed's Translation; NASB's marginal note; Williams; and Moffatt's.
When correctly rendered there is no indication of an identification of Jesus with Jehovah. Jesus simply said he existed from "before Abraham," referring to his pre-human existence.
Scholar A. B. Davidson said: "The translation ‘I am' is doubly false: the tense is wrong, being present; and the idea is wrong because ‘am' is used in the sense of essential existence. All those interpretations which proceed upon the supposition that [I am] is a name of God...must be set aside...the nature of the [Hebrew] verb and the tense pre-emptorily forbid them."-The Theology of the OT, in "The International Theo. Library" p. 55.
The translation “I am” at Jn.8:58 is simply theological bias. The Trinitarian argument linking John 8:58 with Ex.3 is invalid. It is based on a falsehood; It is based on the incorrect translation of the Septuagint, not the inspired Hebrew words. Further, the noun identifying God in the Septuagint was "hO ON" not "EGO EIMI/I am" which is a verb. Jesus did not use hO ON but only used a common verb, not some "name of God." "EGO EIMI" is never used as a title for Jehovah in Scripture.
Let me illustrate: If I said "I am Ron" which word identifies me? The noun "Ron" of course. If someone uses the words "I am," does this mean they are identifying themselves as me? Of course not, totally illogical! What Jesus used was simply a very common verb, one that everyone used. For instance at Jn.9:9 when the healed man was asked who he was he said: "EGO EIMI". Was he indicating that he was God? And at 1Chron 21:17 David said (in the LXX) "EGO EIMI," or "I am." (Was David claiming to be God as well?)
The Jews were asking Jesus how long he had been around, not who he was. Grammatically, it must be translated in a way that indicates existence that started in the past and continues to the present.
Explicit scriptures show that Jesus was less than Almighty God at every point of his existence (Jn. 14:28; 20:17; Mk.13:32; 1Cor.15:27,28; Rev.3:2,12). At the highest position he will ever attain, Jesus is still "subject" to *GOD* the same way we are "subject" to him.
Therefore, to construe Jesus' use of EGO EIMI as a claim of equality with God would require us to ignore the context, including the explicit testimony of Jesus himself to the contrary
LOL! And now the tactic is to clutter the board. Even MORE than that - The above is a complete and total avoidance.
Like last time - Although it may have been fun to type, NOTHING that you've written above even addresses let alone refutes in any way whatsoever what I've presented in my previous postings. All you're doing in the above is PURE RUNNING AWAY and changing to another subject in order to avoid what has already been posted to you - and that's because you have no answer at all for what's already been presented.
It's too late. You've ALREADY BEEN refuted in the other threads - and you've been refuted multiple times. That is the posting history. You can't do anything about it. It's here for all to see for themselves. Since that is the case, what interest could I possibly have with replying to the above? Why bother? All you'll do is run away again.
By the above, you have now clearly established a pattern for all to see:
You foist Watchtowerite falsehood;
You are answered and refuted;
You run away to something else.
Thanks for exposing yourself.
As always, I am very content to let any honest and fair-minded readers review the posts and decide whose posts have actual content to them, and whose do not. It will not be difficult at all.
@@jamesritter5078 so James you've already cluttered the board by doing exactly of what you accuse me of.
@@jazzbassf - LOL! Nope. Already responded to above.
I'm not the one here who has begun multiple threads. YOU are. I believe there were 6 of them at last count.
Thanks for the laugh.
He is the Son...not the trinity..hahaha
Trinity...lol..u guys are clowns.
will chacon .....and you need to read and understand what the Bible says. The Real Bible! However, if you insist on using that ‘silver sword ‘, I can show you the truth with your own bible. Changing doctrines and beliefs since the beginning of your ‘organization ‘ only helps to disprove the Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs.
The word Trinity is not found in the bible Psalm110:1 Proverbs 8:22-30
@MakeLemonade you are so right organization but what does it mean? Body of people! Those with the same goal! Receive instruction together! " love among themselves " my disciples" you will know them" God's mountain (house) will above the hills and mountains( other organizations political or religious )
" these people will say come with us to Jehovah's mountain and he will instruct us" faithful and discreet slave or steward? Not one or two but it is a composite body that makes one. To give food at the proper time" great crowd, other sheep, little flock under One Shepherd ". Pioneer? A person who goes ahead, front-runner, explorer of the territory. Set a high standard for others to follow. All fits the Son of Man, son of God Jesus. His appointed apostles and disciples. Like Charles Taze Russell. He wasn't afraid to take on the apostate Christendom and it's teaching. He was not silent about what they saw from the scriptures. And was not quite about his understanding of the 2,520 years that ended in 1914. And even today the certain ones still try to slander this Pioneer and say " his prediction was wrong" there was no prediction. It was an understanding of Bible prophecy. Pioneers follow those that follow the Christ. Do Pioneers have more of Jehovah's holy spirit than others? Jesus answers " asking his father for it" as long as we ask for it he gives it in my name". Jehovah has power and beyond, unlimited Dynamic energy". He gives it freely to those who wants, ask and deserve it.
MakeLemonade you come and knock on my door and I’ll tell you! I probably have to wait 144000 years for that 🚀
@MakeLemonade No! Angry Apostate I never deal with. Go, and wait!
@MakeLemonade i can help you in your understanding. It will take a lil humility from both of us. Born again? Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. Jesus at his death and then his Resurrection to heavenly life as a spirit person. There is no such thing in our sinful, imperfect, sickly dying body can sin be washed away. That is our punishment for disobedience. Adam has dented and stained all with sin and death. A person can put away the things he once practiced, put on the new personality, and turn his life around. Live a clean life but still have sin. Jesus will do away with sin and death. Death is the last enemy that Jesus will end. You mentioned the scriptural 144000 that was brought from the earth Yes. They are the only ones that was seen by John on Mount Zion with Jehovah God and Jesus. Having both names written in their foreheads. Even them while they live on this earth they are still like you and I. Not practice sin but still a sinner. Recognizing they like us need to have a relationship with Jehovah and pray in Jesus name. We all need forgiveness. No human can will themselves into that position to see Jehovah and serve as Kings with Jesus. It's NO emotional feeling. A person knows that he or she is of that number. Yes I would love to see Jehovah and Jesus Christ, but I'm also glad that I'm not chosen. I'm looking forward to seeing my dad and mom, on this earth, that will be like Eden. A worldwide Paradise!
@MakeLemonade you don't have to call them THEY. I'm One of those. So, you are born Again? So these 144000 persons that John saw on Mount Zion with Jesus, you are on of them? That means you have been born with water and spirit and begotten. You are a son of God? Jehovah himself has given you his spirit and have bear witness with you of that. That means you are a new creation. The Israel of God. You are going to rule as a King and Priest along with Jesus for the healing of mankind. The ones on the earth Jonn saw " a great crowd " on the earth. They've survive the coming Great Tribulation. They owe salvation to our God and to the Lamb. So your born againisum puts you in a special class. You've followed the Lamb where he goes and you sing a song that no one can sing but the 144000 that have been brought from the earth. That also means that you have to die! Humans can't enter into the Spirit Realm Of Heaven. You will see Jehovah GOD! You will see Jesus Christ as King. And you will see Jesus how he carries out Jehovah's will. So I can picture you pouting, mad because you see Jehovah as God. Pouting with your arms folded, cause you don't want them Jehovahs to be right! How foolish you're looking with you bottom spirit lip stuck out! You hear aloud voice " step forward! What is WRONG WITH YOU? OH WAIT A MINUTE JESUS! I RECOGNIZE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE! FOUGHT ME ALL THE WAY BY FIGHTING against MY WITNESSES! CALLING THEM NAMES AND SPEAKING AGAINST MY TRUTH, HATING MY ORGANIZATION! DID YOU NOT KNOW? DID YOU NOT READ YOUR BIBLE? DO NOT LOOK AWAY! LOOK INTO JESUS BEAMING EYES! 🤤
Again you can read what the angel said into Mary. Here in Luke 1:30-32.Then pls read Psalms 83:18.Thank you.
Before Abraham was I am. Who talks like that.. If I am means Jehovah Then he is saying Before Abraham was Jehovah. We’re not Greeks using Greek way of talking. They translate this way so they can say Jesus is Jehovah, how absurd and biased.
JWs claim to have "truth" & "accurate knowledge". What a false way to speak. "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4
*Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
@@wylolister3218 here is my answer from the Bible according to habakkuk 2:3 even if it should delay be an expectation of it for it will not be late. Expectations is not false prophecy, we expect for Christ to come soon that is not a prophecy it is a fact. So when you quote and rip articles out of context you are only making false accusations that can be proven wrong. This is what a opposers do, they rip articles out of context in order to prove their points and then when you quote the entire article you can see what the real context is. So can you please print out the entire article so we can see the context.? It is the same as putting the scriptures out of context. Good try but it won't work. So please print out the entire article so we can see what the context is
@@jazzbassf LOL, I've tried to get JWs to print out the whole article. (probably even you) "Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. *Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers."* Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8
@@jazzbassf So easy to call false spiritual utterances "truth" & "accurate knowledge". The JW ORGANIZATION leads the league here!!!
How _should_ you respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God? Well, you _should_ say: "YES, YOU'RE RIGHT! Jesus is _NOT_ God. Instead, at John 10:36, Jesus said of himself: "I am the _SON_ of God."
Oh, and concerning what God's name is, my King James Bible says his name is "Jehovah," as the following verses say:
1. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Ex. 6:3)
2. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (Ps. 83:18)
3. "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." (Isa. 12:2)
4. "Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength." (Isa. 26:4)
So, Jehovah is God. Jesus is the Son of God. (Mark 1:1)
Jesus = Jehovah Saves.
Hey... God called Him that!
sha1017906,
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...” _John __1:12_
Yehova witness teach that God the Almighty created thousands and millions years before our Creation, The Son the Firstborn of all creation. And through him created everything. In their bible john 1:1 reads In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was a god. So, they teach God and a god. This is already unbiblical. The bible nowhere teaches that there is such things as God and gods. Yes, the bible does teaches false gods but not divine gods. In the beginning the word was. They teach the word began in the beginning. This is contrary to what john 1 says.
THE777MOVIE-REVIEWER - then why does Rev. 3:18 say that Jesus "was the BEGINNING of creation of God"?
THE777MOVIE-REVIEWER - Jesus said that there are gods. Read your bible without your pagan glasses on.
“How do I respond to the claim of a Jehovah's Witness that Jesus is not God?”
God already did!
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...” -John 1:1, 14
In God We Trust Yet in Greek God and god is present in Scripture. John 1 : 1 doesnt prove Jesus is God especially when you got the Genesis time frame as well as the time frame of other events all lumped together in John 1. Try explaining John 1 : 3 and 4 if you think Jesus is God.
That being said, JWs don't believe Jesus is God nor do any Non Triniarian.
Look up John 1 : 1 in Hebrew and Greek.
God = θεόν (Uppercase G)
god = θεὸς (Lowercase g)
The Word = ό λόγος
Word = λόγος
Other examples
Jesus = Ἰησοῦν
Christ = Χριστόν
Jesus Christ = Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν ( ישו Hebrew)
Lastly, God cannot Anoint himself, hence the title Christ meaning Anointed one and second, Jesus did claim he has a God in Scripture and in his own words.
Zoll In that case, doesn't it mean that the writer of Book of John "present" Jesus as another God beside the YHWH to the people?
PN S No, if you understand it clearly you'd understand what John is trying to convey, but I see what you are getting at, but a minor misunderstanding of scripture can quickly mislead any man who does not study the bible and or apply biblical hermeneutics totally when interpreting. John himself knows that God Yahweh/Jehovah and Jesus Christ are two different people from each other and John didn't shy away from the very laws of which the Jews were under, an example would be when The Jews challenged Jesus and was about to stone him, Jesus mentioned, quoted from the Old Testament that all people, including born Jews like himself, written in law are gods too (not God himself or themselves). Cross reference points to Psalms 82 : 6. For Jesus quoted this because the Jews charged him with making himself a god. At Psalms 82 : 6 God himself says about the sons of God I said you are gods by implication that makes each of these man a god.
I said, Ye are gods*, And all of you sons of the Most High.
* godlike ones
We see in Johm 10 : 34, 35 Jesus quoting of which that is written in the law of the Jews itself.
Similar to what was mentioned, by Apostle Paul, in 1 Corinthians 8 : 5 (First Epistles to the Corinthians), which cross references to what Jesus Christ had said, as well as what God the Father had said. (Also check out Psalms 82 : 1 for sons of the Most High in the heavens Angels/Spirit Beings are mentioned as gods/godlike ones).
So in short Jesus, a born Jew of a woman, a man born into the law, Galatians 4 : 4, is considered a god and or among godlike ones just like his counterparts, but when it comes to God the Father he is the one and only True God, in this sense A God above gods (consisting of men, angels/spirit beings, etc), so to speak.
Another thing to note in the gospel of john regarding one of Jesus' rare conversations, but in this, a man named Nicodemus, who was well aware that Jesus was the son of God who came from God himself and or has been sent by God. Nicodemus was also the same man who played a role in the burial of Jesus Christ.
that was mistranslated "and the word was a god" according to jws
na' ah mean? Actually "a god" or "was god" predates the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Its called the Sahidic Copic Text.
In fact the earliest prior to the Coptic Text is 1808 whereas "a god" (divine) was used.
You Westerners are so misinformed.
What does John 3:16 and Matt.17:5 says?
At 1:20, the man said "if you get the trinity wrong, you are not a "biblical Christian". Ironically, neither the word trinity, nor it's explicit doctrine is found in the Bible. Please read John 17:3, and tell me who Jesus was referring to as the "only true God"?
The man then references Matt 16:15, as to Jesus' clear identity. Let's read that and see if the disciples thought Jesus was God?
Matt 16:15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
This is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
In essence, a great recommendation for Jehovah's witnesses.
@Robert Davies the only thing you can recommend to Jehovah's Witnesses is jw.org that is where you will find the truth in God's word
jazzbassf fenderjazz ...I would recommend jwfacts.com instead
@@olmeckrav Jwfacts.com is an opposers website, why would I want to go to an opposers website.
jazzbassf fenderjazz Well, to seek to understand the opposite point of view or the criticism of a belief you hold. That’s the same like me talking to you. I hold the Christian teaching of the Trinity and you hold the opposite. Historically your position which is Arianism was considered by the Church as heresy. However, to have an amicable discussion with you about it doesn’t hurt my beliefs but helps me to understand them better and not be blind to the cracks in my reasoning. Christians are not afraid of opposition rather it is an opportunity to examine ourselves. Don’t you agree?
@@olmeckrav well Maximus I would believe in the trinity if you could show it to me where is says the father son and the holy spirit are one God....yet there is not one single scripture in the bible. I only believe in the bible.
Jehovah is not a Greek word. It is a latinized version created by raymundus martini in the 13 th century. The new world translation is an abhorrent book created by Fred Franz who was a college dropout.
wafle21 The apostles, however, walked with our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 4:13 ESV
[13] Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus."
---The same cannot be said of Mr. Franz, unless you think he was an apostle....
wafle21 are you comparing Mr. Franz with the apostles?
fred franz exposed the association
TysonIsKetchy No, that's not FREDDY. That's Raymond Franz, his nephew. Don't get it confused.
N S nice try with the straw man argument. Not one single person on this forum has argued that Jesus Christ was born on December 25. I have never met a single individual who believes this. As an Ex-JW we have been fully schooled on the fact that this was a pagan religious holiday that was coopted in an attempt by Rome to consolidate power... But as I have on several other occasions I will simply correct you with scripture: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. You are a self righteous, mind controlled cult slave of a false god named Jehovah. If you had studied the Occult as I have you would be aware that Jehovah is worshiped and sacrificed to by Satan Worshipers. Lucifer, Baal, Ocirus, Jehovah, Jubaalon.... The apostles worshiped Jesus as God, the Pharisees wanted to stone him for claiming to be God and only Christians worship Jesus Christ.... Every other cult on earth does not and that includes the Jehovah cult and the Jehovah slaves of the Watchtower corporation.
We appreciate what is written to us at 1 Corinthians 2:16, namely: “For ‘who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?’ But we do have the mind of Christ.” Here the Greek word for “mind” is nous in both instances.
17 Beyond all contradiction, the “mind” of Christ was lined up with “Jehovah’s mind.” The inspired words at Philippians 2:5-8 help us to peer into the “mind” of even the prehuman Son of God, for there we read: “Keep this mental attitude [“mind,” AV; AS; RS] in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.”
If jesus is not equal to God , then it s very simple he is not God Jehovah.
Actually your translation (NWT) is incorrect here. The actual verse says: 1 Corinthians 2:16 ESV
[16] "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Who is the Lord? That’s Jesus! Jehovah is not mentioned in this verse.
@@---qb1bf First of all, I don't think there is much debate that the head of Christ is God. If the concept of the trinity is true, then, this is not an issue since Jesus is the God the Son. A son must be subservient to the Father because He is lower in the Rank of the Godhead.
Being the Son of God is precisely why Jesus is part of the Godhead. The Bible says that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. To beget means to give birth to in human terms. However, it does not mean to create. I can make watches and have a son. My watch is my creation but my son is not my creation, rather, he is born of the same essence as me. You can use this analogy to understand why Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son. For Jesus to be the Only Begotten Son of God, it implies that He is the only One that is the same Essence with the Father because a lion cannot beget a goat.
Jesus emptied Himself of Divinity (Phil 2:7), so that the Divine plan may be accomplished and when the Divine plan required Jesus to be without power, He lived out the life of a man; which includes prayer. This is how you know He was fully human and was tested just like we are today (Heb 4: 15). Lastly, people forget that the doctrine of the Trinity states that there are 3 Persons in One God. Jesus aligning His Will with that of the Father in the most trying time imaginable, serves to highlight that Plurality in the Godhead. Each Person is distinct in role and Will yet their Wills are always in alignment because a perfect Son's only will is to please His perfect Father.
The Father is indeed greater than Jesus as Jesus is the Son of God the Father. The passage you quoted is from John 14:28. In the same chapter, Jesus also said
to believe in God and Him together. Jesus also said once the disciples have seen Him, they have seen God. This is not to say that Jesus is a mere representative of God. No one in his right senses would send his son to someone and when the son is asked to show them his father, he replies "he that hath seen me hath seen, my father". But Jesus can, because He is the visible Image of the invisible God (Col 1:15). Not even the Apostles or Angels could make such a statement even though they represented God here on earth. Jesus said He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. He said we should ask anything in His Name. He said the Father is glorified in the Son. Clearly, Jesus assigns attributes of God to Himself but the only thing He does not attribute to Himself is the role of the Father because it is true that His Father is greater than He and this is why Jesus said in the same verse, that He must go back to the Father, not the other way around since He is not the Father, He is the Son. Another way of viewing this relationship is that Jesus is God's Word (John 1). Who is greater, the Word or the Speaker? The Speaker, right? The Word is from the Speaker and of the Speaker and represents the Speaker perfectly. If the Word exegetes the Speaker perfectly, then, the Word and the Speaker are One for when you have One, you know the Will of the Other, and when you have Both, there is no contradiction, and giving glory to the Word implies giving glory to the Speaker.
Jesus being appointed an Heir can be found as far back as the book of Psalms. You did not consider the words written right after the portion of the verse you quoted which says it was by Jesus all things were made. But Genesis 1 is clear that all things were made by God. So being appointed Heir does not mean He was created or is not God, it simply means He gets the title of Heir and the things His Father has promised Him; not that Jesus is not already the owner being that He created all things, but He puts Himself under His Father because in Him is humility perfected.
No one can see God and live yet Abraham saw God and lived. Jacob saw God and even wrestled with God and lived. They did not see God the Father, because they would have died; that is the only explanation unless you want to be intellectually dishonest with the text. Also, Exodus 33:20 does not apply in the context where Jesus says "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" because it was Philip, a Jew, that asked that question and would have been well aware that whoever sees God will die. Lastly, Jesus did not make the statement to show that He is God the Father, however, He did make the statement that they may know who is the express Image of the Father such that when they see, feel, touch, and hear Him, they experience the Father as well, in the measure in which Humans can comprehend. No man, angel, or created being can make such a statement because no created (temporal) being can explain a timeless being.
Lastly, it is not Christians that made up the Trinity, rather, it was forced upon us by the Bible due to the occurrence of plurality in the Godhead in the Old and New Testaments, the Shema Israel, which states that God is One, as well as the Statements of Jesus Christ and the writings of the Apostles and their followers by extension.
I pray the Lord Jesus Christ, the Alpha, and Omega (Revelation 1:8), bless you.
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:5-8
Heb 1:5 For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
Yes, and Heb. 1:3 very clearly declares the Deity of Christ.
I think the Jehovah's Witnesses view is more accurate. God back up Jesus rulership, that is why God, Jesus' God, anointed Jesus.
@@kenr8942 Nope - The JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. These things can be shown and it is not difficult to do so.
@@jamesritter5078 Then who do you believe have the true Christ? Jehovah's Witnesses follow the bible and Jesus' instructions. I do not see that in other religions.
For a Good work we stone thee not but for thou being a man makest thyself God Jhon 10:33 here's why they killed Jesus Christ
Read further down in the verses where Jesus said they claimed he blasphemed BECAUSE HE SAID HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, not God Himself. The Jews made FALSE accusations against him. Making himself a god or as some say God was a false accusation. Then Jesus quoted PSALM 82:6, where God Himself calls MEN "gods". They were the Israelites judges. So the term God could be used for one's representing God. Yet Jesus actually STATES he said he was GOD'S SON. It's there in black and white. Nowhere does he claim to be God as in the Deity.
@@michaellomax2 wrong that is the spirit of Antichrist
@@lucchinigianni6709 Incorrect. You do not have the truth
@@michaellomax2 Jesus Christ is God in the flesh is as plain as your nose
Colossians 1:15-20
King James Version
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
@@lucchinigianni6709 The IMAGE of the invisible God. An image is not the real thing. We are made in the image of God. It doesn't mean WE are God does it?. And again it says Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of every creature. The FIRST to be CREATED by God. There, plain as your nose.
Jesus is divine. He has to be for Him to be the saviour of the world. Mic drop!
Exactly. If Jesus isn't God, then his sacrifice on the cross could not take away the sins of the world and bring us into a relationship with the Father. Doesn't matter if Jesus lived a perfect life without sinning, if he was just a human being like us, and no divinity, then how does that save us?
@@morelmaster Jesus is Gods Son that's it Not (God Almighty the Creator) Let's take a Look at the Bible and see what it Says
1. Then why is God head of Christ just as Christ is Head of man? (1st coriethians 11:3)
2.) Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a Separate person from God? (John 20:17); (John 14:1); (Mark 10:18); (John 17:1-3), Also in Heaven, (Luke 22:69)
3.) Then how can Jesus have a god? (Micah 5:4), (pslams 45:6, 7; 89:26, John 20:17; (Romans 15:6;2), (Coriethians 1:3, Eph. 1:3; (Col. 1:3) (Mark 15:34); (John 17:1-3) Also in heaven (Rev. 1:6; 3:3, 12)
4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and part of creation? (Colessians 1:15)
5. Then why does (Rev. 3:14) Say that Jesus was the beginning of the Creation by God?
6. Then why is he subject to god like we are subject to him? (1st Cor. 15:27,28); (Eph. 1:17)
7. Then why does (Micah 5:2) say that Jesus Origin was from Early times?
8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matthew 24:36,) (Rev. 1:1); (Luke 8:45)
9. Then why is Jesus still subject to (god) when he is as high as he will ever be? (1st Cor. 15:27,28)
10. Then why does (Proverbs 8:22-31) show that the Messiah was created/Produced by God?
11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1st Cor. 15:27); (Eph. 1:17,22)
12. Then why would he have to be given any power & authority? (Matthew 28:18; 11:27; (John 5:22; 17:2; 3:35;) (2nd 1:17)
13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Hebrews 5:8), (John 5:19; 8:28)
14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Matthew 12:31, 32;); (Luke 12:10)
15. Then why did Jesus Call the Father the Only True God? (John 17:3)
16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Hebrews 5:7); (John 12:27)
17. Then why did he have to be exalted to leader & savior? (Acts 5:31)
18. Then how can he be exalted and (Given) a higher name then he had? (Philippians 2:9-11); (Hebrews 1:2-4)
19. Then why did he have to be given Life in himself? (John 5:25, 26)
20. Then how could his Father be Greater then he and not equal trinity? (John 14:28)
21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan in(Matthew 4:10) when God cannot be tempted by Evil (James 1:13)
22. Then why did Jesus (Worship) the Father (John 4:22)
23. Then why can he not do anything of his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)
24. Then why would Jesus pray to Anybody? (Luke 22:44; ) (John 17:1,2)
25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1st John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's only Begotten Son?
26. Then how can Jesus be God's servant? (Acts 4:26, 27,30)
27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)
28. Then how could he be the mediator between God & man? (1st Timothy 2:5)
29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)
30. Then how could he be God's image? (Col. 1:15;) (Hebrews 1:3)
Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the originator (ek)? (1cor. 8:6); (John 1:1-3); (Prov. 8:30) (Hebrews 2:10); (Col. 1:15, 16)
32. Then why did Jesus say God was good in a way that Jesus was not?(Mark 10:18)
33. Then why does Jesus have the voice of the Archangel and not the voice of God? (1st thess. 4:16)
34. Then why is the only worship given to him the same given to humans ? (Heb. 1:6) (Matt. 18:26;); (Rev. 3:9)
35. Then why do many who believe and rely on a few so called proof texts instead of the context of the consisent teachings of the entire Bible?
36.then how can Jesus be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49), (deutronemy 18:18)
37. Then why did Steven see 2 separate entities God & Jesus and not just one god or 3 person's? (Acts 7:55)
38. Then how could Jesus be seen at God's right hand?(Luke 22:69); (Acts 7;55); (Romans 8:34)
39. Then how could Jesus be exalted not to become God himself, but to the position of the right hand of God?(,Acts 2:33)
40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God?(rev. 1:1)
41. Then why is he called God's begotten Son before he came to Earth? (John 3:16); (Galations 4:4), (1st John 4:9)
42. Then how could he have a father (John 20:17)
43. Then how could he come in Flesh? (1st Kings 8:27); (Acts 17:24, 25)
44. Then why did Jesus not come in his own Name? (John 5:41-44)
45. Then why did Jesus come down from Heaven to do God's will and Not His Own? (Luke 22:42); (John 6:38) (John 5:30) (John 8:42)
46. Then how could Jesus appear before God when he went back to (Heaven)? (Hebrews 9:24)
47. Then how could Jesus die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Romans 5:10); (Acts 5:30); (Habbuk 1:12); ,(1st time. 6:16); (Numbers 23:19) (1st Cor. 15:3); (Plsams 90:2); (Daniel 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God ressurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32) (Acts 5:30)
(Romans 10:9,10)
49. Then why can we see him if No Man has seen God at any time? (John 1:18)
50. Then why is there not one clear scripture where Jesus is called God the Son, (Equal to those declaring God the Father)
51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? (Matthew 26:59-67)
52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe that Jesus is Christ, the son of God. Why is there no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the Most important thing of all that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)
@@tiffanywright6653
YOU: How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god?
ME: 1) Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL with God. (John 5:18)
John the Apostle wrote this, which shows clearly that even John himself understood that the Son of God and the Father were EQUAL!!!
2)"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).
The statement of Jesus to the Jews, "I AM" is the exact same statement that God gave to Moses in Exodus 3:13-15.
3)"What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39)
Once again, the Jews understood Jesus to be saying he was EQUAL to God, that is why they tried to seize him.
So, for you to make the statement that the Jewish officials NEVER made the claim that Jesus was God or equal to God shows your ignorance of the Word of God. Wake up!!!
@@morelmaster where is it stayed that divinity is the requirement to forgive sins ?
Tests please
@@nomadicrecovery1586 - Well, Mark 2:7 does. The Jews both asked and answered the question.
Mark 13:6 Jesus said: "Many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and will mislead many". CASE CLOSED
He was talking about people pretending to be him like the antichrist prophesies CASE CLOSED
yvonne donasco John 14:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Heres a slap in the face to you non believer
Jesus was god in the flesh among men
EVEN THE ANGEL HAD TOLD MARY THAT JESUS BE NAMED IMMANUEL
MEANING GOD AMONG MEN.
JESUS AND THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE
GODS OMNIPOTENCE AND INTRICATE DIVINE NATURE IS OBVIOUSLY TOO HARD TO UMDERSTAND FOR YOU
BUT PLEASE
EVEN JESUS SAID
FOR TJOSE TJAT DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS
“I AM” WILL DIE IN THEIR SINS
@@user-gb5tj5kj1n An eye opener to those who are blinded take note and wake up! LUKE 18: 18,19. Read..... 18 And one of the rulers questioned him (Jesus), saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” 19 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. JESUS CLEARLY NOT CONSIDERED HIM AS GOD. CASE CLOSED AGAIN!
No witness will tell u that Jesus christ is not not God what is said is that he is not the almighty God and that one is greater than him he told his disciples my father is greater than I am .
JWs have a false, unbiblical Christ, and a false, unbiblical way of salvation and multiple other falsehoods. When it comes to Christ, the Bible declares in Hebrews 1:3 that everything the Father is, the Son is - There's nothing missing.
Jesus and God are clearly TWO distinctive entities. Many scriptures refer to JESUS being the SON OF GOD not the other way around. The fact that JESUS incarnation was clearly seen by humans means he's not GOD, because GOD IS INVISIBLE and no one has seen God and lived!
Exodus 33: 20. But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
1 Timothy 1: 17. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't IMMORTAL since he died on a stake.
According to the bible Jesus clearly wasn't invisible since his disciples and many humans SAW him.
Out of his own mouth he proclaimed GOD name, not his own.
Timodagreat31 Just a few things brother, Jesus Christ is the manifestation of the God the Father as the Son of God.
In Colossians 1:15 it says "The Son is the image of the invisible God". In the same way John 14:9 also says "Anyone who has SEEN ME has SEEN the FATHER" which actually highlights the idea that the disciples actually walked with Jesus Christ being the Son of God as the manifestation of God.
Also to highlight the issue of immortality, Jesus Christ had to come down to earth in the form of a man in order to save us from our sins. In order for Him to do that he would need to take the form of a human for the physical death to occur and reconnect us back to the Father (John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through Me")
I hope that makes a bit more sense. God bless you
@@divi1223 Ill reply to John 14:28 and ex 33:20, but first I want to expand on the verse about Jesus being equal to God:
"Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage..." NIV
"Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to..." NLT
"Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God..." KJV
In your own Kingdom Interlinear of the Gk scriptures (it reads choppy because its literal word for word from the Greek): "who in form of God existing not snatching he considered the to be equal to God..."
Even in your own Greek it shows Jesus as equal. Look for yourself. You can see the WT added in parenthesis (things), trying to take away his equality, but that is not what it actually says, and you can read it word for word on their website. The other bible translations got it right. NWT had to change it to fit their beliefs.
Once you believe Philippians 2:6 & 7 as it is actually written in Greek, John 14:28 and exodus 33:20 make absolute sense. Phil 2:6 & 7 reveals to us that Jesus laid aside his equality, divesting himself of his heavenly spirit glory, to become a human being. He was in the form of God, but then he took on himself the form of a servant. He became a man, so that he could identify with man as his high priest and mediator, as only a man could do. The WT teaches he turned back into an angel Michael, but he could not have, as scripture tells us ONLY a man can intercede for a man as high priest Hebrews 3:1, 2:14-18. This means the instant Jesus turns back into a spirit being he would no longer be able to intercede and be mediator. We would all be doomed. He MUST remain a man, possible only by a bodily resurrection. But back to John 14:28... as a man Jesus laid aside his divine rights (phil 2:7) and because he became human, God was greater. This does not contradict because John 1:1, 18 says "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." Here we see two in the trinity. BOTH are called God, and there's only one TRUE God which means any other God is a false god. Because Jesus the Word became a human, God is greater. How does this work exactly I dont know, God is so much bigger than we can ever fully understand. So I trust the scripture, I believe everything it says including John 1:1.
Exodus 33:20... According to scripture people have seen God in other forms. They haven't seen him in all his heavenly spirit glory. But he has appeared as other forms outside of his heavenly glory: a burning bush, pillar of fire, a great cloud... in Exodus 24:10, 11 "And they saw the God if Israel, and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God and did eat and drink."
No one can see the TRUE form of God but people have seen manifestations of him in various forms (I only listed a scant few). Jesus is also a manifestation of God in human form. They could look at Jesus therefore and not die.
The Trinity doctrine was not officially accepted by the so called " Christian Church" until the 3rd century.Constantine had a hand in this.What's interesting is that the Trinity was apparently unknown to Jesus, the apostles , nor any of the prophets of the old testament.They say nothing about it.If anything Jesus own words talks against it."Touch me not because I'm going away to my God and your God".Now stop right there.Jesus said he himself "Had a God".Not only that he said " The Father greater than I am".Not only that Jesus said there something he did not know." Concerning that day nobody knows.Not the angels nor the Son" but only the Father".In the book of Hebrew's the apostle Paul said Jesus " Learned obedience from the things he suffered " .Even Jesus " learned something".Can Almighty God be " TAUGHT"???? Can an Almighty God be tempted? In the book of James it says" Let not anyone who's going through a trial say he is being tried by God.For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does He try anyone".Yet Jesus was tried 3 times by the Devil.Look all throughout the old testament and NONE of the same wordings or even a hint of such is said about Yahweh or Jehovah.Nor do we read of Jehovah praying to anyone.Jesus did.The Bible is clear.Jesus is not God and he never claimed to be God.John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying " In the beginning of this conversation was me.And I was with my wife.And my wife was me". Its obvious I'm not my wife and she's not me .But if you change the wording and put "The Word" and "God" people wanna believe Jesus is Almighty God.Now in Isaiah it does call Jesus " Mighty God".But nowhere in the bible does it call Jesus "Almighty God".A huge difference. But people believe what they want regardless of what's right there in black white.
God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. We are all trinities. We are spirits, we have souls ( Which is our mind, our will, and our emotions ) and we live in bodies.
www1.cbn.com/questions/what-are-the-three-parts-of-man
Calvin B said:
“John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity...”
Even though it says:
“In the beginning was [Jesus], and [Jesus] was with God, and [Jesus] was God.”
Let me repeat that:
“In the beginning... [Jesus] was God.”
“Jesus was God.” *“Jesus* was *God.”* *“JESUS* was *GOD.”*
*“Iēsous [Heb. origin-Yeshuah] ēn to theos.”-“Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.”*
When was he “the God?” In the beginning!
_He continues..._
“John 1:1 does not prove the Trinity anymore than me saying ‘In the beginning -of this conversation- was me, and I was with my wife, and my wife was me.’ It's obvious I'm not my wife, and she's not me.”
First off:
You are your wife and your wife is you. You are both one flesh.
“And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” (Mark 10:8)
Second:
The last part of that comment shows that John 1:1 doesn't _actually_ mean what it says. Do you believe that “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...” (II Timothy 3:16)?
Do you believe that it was “GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake... by the prophets,” (Hebrews 1:1)? Do you believe that “...holy men of God spake _as they were_ moved by the Holy Ghost.” (II Peter 1:21)? Do you believe that “...[God's] word is truth” (John 17:17)? If you _do,_ then you believe that the Bible-the _whole_ Bible-is inspired by a perfect God, and thus is all correct and all perfect in 100% harmony and no contradictions with any other verse. The Bible says:
“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6-7)
If this is the case, which it obviously is, then we have the perfect word of God today, and if God gave us _his_ perfect word, then why would it be open to private interpretation? The simple answer is found in II Peter 1:20:
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”
Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “prophecy” in this verse as simply:
“a _prediction_ (scriptural or other).”
If you're one that says “The prophecy OF the Scriptures; not the Scriptures as a whole,” then consider this:
God's word being eternally preserved for us is a prediction. Therefore, every word being preserved in it is also a prediction.
If you're one of those who only believes the New Testament, then consider this:
“...the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (I Timothy 3:15)
"...[God's] word is truth.” (John 17:17)
“[Jesus is] the way, the truth...” (John 14:6)
Strong's Greek Dictionary defines the word “the” (Greek-“to”) as:
“the definite article; _the”_
The feminine usage (“she” [Greek-“ho”]) and the neuter usage (“hē”) are also used and translated as “he (subjective), she (subjective), it (subjective), him (objective), her (objective), it (objective),” etc. But the word “the” remains “to” and is translated as “the, this, that.” It's fourth translation is “one.” Webster's 1828 Dictionary Definition of “one” is:
“Single in number; individual; as _one_ man; _one_ book. There is _one_ sun only in our system of planets.”
And, going back to the Greek, the word “one” again is “to” meaning “the.” Thus, the word “the” is equivalent to the singular “one and only.” Therefore, we know that when Jesus says he is “the” truth, he is the “only” truth. So, God's true word must also be Jesus' true word, and Jesus' true word God's true word. Doesn't the Bible say in John 1:1 that Jesus is the living “Word?” Revelation calls him “The Word of God.” Therefore, if the church is the pillar and ground of THE THE THE *“ONLY”* truth, they're the pillar and ground of both Jesus and his word. The church will always exist until Jesus takes it out, as Matthew 16:18 says “...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Therefore, his word will be preserved. And if Jesus is perfect (I Peter 1:21-22), then his word must also be perfect, as they are one and the same. And if Jesus is eternal (Isaiah 9:6 “everlasting Father”) then his word is as well. Now the Bible says miracles would cease when that which is perfect was come in I Corinthians 13. After that, only faith, hope, and love would remain. This can't be Jesus or his 1,000-year kingdom, as the Bible says when that is come, only love will remain. Therefore, that which is perfect is the perfect Law of Liberty of James 1:25 and James 2:12. The word “perfect” in describing the perfect law of liberty is τέλειος (“teleios”). Strong's Greek Dictionary defines it as simply:
_“complete_ (in various applications...) _completeness.”_
We don't see miracles today. Therefore, the word of God is _already_ complete. It's simply been translated from ancient Hebrew, Chaldee and Koine Greek into English. It's very clear now that we still have God's preserved word with us today. It's been translated into English several times, and the most accurate translation took place in 1604 when King James commanded apx. forty Episcopal language scholors from universities that only the very best of the best could attend. And they were not only trained in Ancient Hebrew, as many claim, but in many other languages as well. Let me restate: They were the best. All forty of them translated the Bible from it's original languages using the Textus Receptus and other translated Bibles, and, over the course of five years (1604-1609), they translated it. Then they looked over it again for an additional two years to ensure it was correct. Finally, when it was completed in 1611, it was named “The Holy Bible, Conteyning the Old Testament, and the New,” and it was given to the people free of charge. Now that we have the completed word of God, we can look into the original Greek language and see what the meaning of the words used in the original New Testament are. In John 1:1, the word “God” is the same all three times, thus saying specifically:
“Jesus was God,” _or,_ “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity.”
And since we have the preserved word of God, translated into English, Authored by God himself, do you think there'd be any “errors” in the Bible? Not if “the holy spirit spake” and “God inspired.” Otherwise God is imperfect, which is not the case. Furthermore, I Corinthians 14:33 says:
“For God is not the author of confusion...”
If there are any errors, additions, or subtractions in his word, then he _is_ the Author of confusion, which is not the case. So, The Bible is infallible, as Jesus is infallible.
I say all that to say this:
If the Bible says something, *_the Bible means it,_* because it's really the words of God. Therefore, all of it is 100% true and accurate with no contradictions. So, since now we know that John 1:1 in Koine Greek really says “Jehovah, thou wast the Deity,” you can be assured that this is what it means, no errors, no contradictions, end of story.
Some like to say an error in translation was made, and that it _should_ say “In the beginning... the Word was *a* god.” However, that goes directly against Isaiah 44:8:
“...Is there a God beside me? yea, _there is_ no God; I know not _any.”_
God made sure to use the Hebrew “elowahh” for “God” here instead of his name “elohyim.” “Elowahh” is defined by Strong's Greek Dictionary as:
“a _deity_ or the _Deity.”_
He makes sure to say “there is no deity beside me.” Since the Bible does not contradict itself, John 1:1 isn't mis-translated. De Trinitate also references this verse many times word-for-word.
Now no doctrinal verse in the Bible will stand alone, so are there any other verses that say that Jesus is God? Yes! The following verses prove Jesus is God:
*I John **5:20*
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, _even_ in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
*Zechariah 12:1 and 10*
“The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, *saith the LORD,* which stretcheth forth the heavens... And I will pour upon the house of David [the Jews], and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me *whom they have pierced,* and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”
This word “LORD” in Hebrew is יהוה (“Yehôvâh”); the same as “Jehovah,” which we all know is God. Problem: The Jews pierced the hands and feet of _Jesus,_ so how does that work out unless Jehovah is Jesus? Well, what does “Jesus” (Heb. origin-“Yeshua”) mean? “Jehovah saves.”
*Isaiah 9:6*
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God,* The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
You said that this says “mighty God,” but not the “Almighty God.” Consider then
*Revelation 1:8*
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.”*
*Revelation 21:6-7*
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and *I will be his God,* and he shall be my son.”
*Hebrews 1:1 and 8*
“GOD, who... spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, But unto the Son _he saith,_ Thy throne, *O God,* _is_ for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness _is_ the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
By now it should be very clear that Jesus is God.
Arius tried to deny Jesus was God - Early Church got mad - Constantine orderd a thorough debate among scholars - Arius lost - Constantine "imposed" Trinity Doctrine on a Trinitarian Early Church - WT changes that historical fact - WT Imposes their Doctrine without Scholars or Debate -agreed ? ?
John 5:39-40 You study[a] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
JW's are not Jews... Jews reject Jesus...
Moses once expressed the desire to see God. At Exodus 33:18-20, we read: “‘Cause me [Moses] to see, please, your glory.’ But he [God] said: ‘I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy.’ And he added: ‘You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.’”
thx .. someone just quoted Job 19:26 in a vid so I went to the text for context and found Job 19:25 ...a living redeemer in the OT who will be on earth at the end
who is he to speak and have his words fulfilled,
If The YEHOVA ELoHIM HAS Not Commanded?
~ Lamentations Jeremiah 3:37
HIS NOT: lord god mod jesus mesus:
They Will Call On MY NAME,
And I Will ANSWER Them:
I Will Say, ‘They Are MY People,’
And They Will Say, The YEHOVA Is Our ELoHIM.
~ Zechariah 13:9
HIS Name Is “YEHOVA SAPAVOVT:”
HIS ELoHIM The Most HigH Our Mighty Creator:
Glory To The Alpha And Omega:
Glory In The Highest Our ELoHIM And Savior:
Glory To The Lion Of Judah:
Praise YAH, YEHOVA, HalleluYAH:
Moreover Most HigH Said To Moses,
“ Thus You Shall Say To The Children Of Israel:
‘ The YEHOVA ELoHIM Of Your Fathers,
The ELoHIM Of Abraham,
The ELoHIM Of Isaac,
And The ELoHIM Of Jacob,
Has Sent Me To You.
This Is MY NAME Forever,
And This Is MY Memorial To All Generations.
~ Exodus 3:15
Because He Has Affection For ME,
I Will Rescue Him. I Will Protect Him
Because He Knows MY NAME. ~ Psalm 91:14
The Wise Will See YOUR NAME; ~ Micah 6:9
Be Proud Of HIS HOLY NAME: ~ Psalm 105:3
“You Must Not Take Up The Name Of YEHOVA Your EloHIM In A Worthless Way,
For YEHOVA Will Not Leave Unpunished The One
Who Takes Up HIS Name In A Worthless Way.”
~ Exodus 20:7
I Have Been "YEHOVA" Your CreatoR
Ever Since The Land Of Egypt;
You Know No CreatoR But ME,
And No SavioR Exists Besides ME.
~ Hosea 13:4
And Everyone Who Calls On The Name Of YEHOVA Will Be Saved.”’
~ Acts 2:21
There Is No One Who Calls YOUR NAME;
To Wake Up And Find Strength In YOU.
~ Isaiah 64:7
YEHOVA Is The Same Forever:
ELOHIM NAME Can’t Translated:
>Names Never Translate.
Your Name Is The Same In Every Language In The World.
The most powerful and clearly undeniable statement Jesus said to confirm that he was God was when he referred to himself as The I Am. He stated before Abraham was I AM.
Correct, echoing Exodus 3:14 when God told Moses that " I AM SENT YOU".
that is actually wrong. There is no statement that is "I AM"
@@finalfrontier001 John 8:58, now are still going to say there is no statement?
@@Joeamerican I a talking about old testament.
@@finalfrontier001 Exodus 3:14 is what Jesus is referring too. God states in Exodus 3:14 "This is what you are to say to the Israelite, I Am has sent me to you"