Kestrel 5700 Elite Ballistics vs. 5700 Ballistics: Capabilities & Differences Demo
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- This video is a comprehensive comparison of the Kestrel 5700 Elite Ballistics meter to the 5700 Ballistics meter.
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Excellent video, much appreciated for the time you spent going into all this detail. I think the ability to have 30 gun profiles alone is worth it to me for the elite, the rest of the extras are just a bonus. The range card and multiple targets is pretty nice too.
Thank you very much for this complete comparison. I live in a country were such information Is rare, we don't have access to the items so we can compare and try them, and most of the time we buy them just based on the manufacturer specs. Having the opportunity to see this detailed explanation helps a lot to select the model that fits most. Thank you!
I emailed your opinion on a kestrel or a tripod about a year ago. I went with the kestrel, and have not regretted it. They are definitely worth it. Thanks for the great advise.
Plus 1 for the great explanation - perfectly and simply explained the differences, just what I was after. Many thanks, and keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for your video. It is simply stellar. Kestrel should most definitely reward you in some form. I have just purchased a 5700 Ballistic model.
Keep the videos coming. Definitely enjoy the information
Lucky I stumbled into this video again. Yesterday finally pulled the trigger on a kestrel, the 5700 elite. Once I watched this video and did about 2-3 hours of surfing ended up cancelling the elite order and placed order on the standard 5700 ballistic. For me, what the elite offers was not worth the 300€ at this point. And like this video said, if I ever seem like I want the added features, I can just upgrade it for the 300€
Been wanting a Kestrel. There have been a vast amount of increasing capabilities since the days of the 3000 series. It has been a situation of "paralysis by analysis" to get whatever newest model currently available. The ballistics model is best for me.
The Horus reticals are great but my setup is more simplistic. A regular, round dot, Mil-dot is for me. Those football shaped reticles are rediculous since measurements are determined from a percentage factor of calculation. Each football dot having a 25% of a Mil with the thin line having a 75% of a Mil.
Round dots have a simple 1/10th calculation. Each Mil-dot having 2/10ths measurement and an 8/10ths between the dots.
May finally take the opportunity to get a Kestrel.
Your videos have been so helpful for learning reloading info. You explain stuff in such a good understandable way.
Excellent video! Great product comparison!
Very well done. Thank you.
Thanks great job
1,780 yards, one mile and 10 yards Sam. I have the Elite Ballistics with link and love it.
1,780 yards, one mile and 20 yards Ramsay. I also have the Elite Ballistics! :)
@@joeyheyne3255 lol yes it is. I totally "fat" fingered that 1. I guess that's shows how bad of a shot I'm. I was aiming for a 2.
@@joeyheyne3255 64,080 inches!
My Kestrel database (phone app) lists the Hornady ELD-M 140 grain bullet BC at .291. In this demonstration I noticed that you have it listed as .310 in your Kestrel. Is that because of a truing exercise that you have applied? or are you using one of the multiple lot numbers listed in the database? A bit confused...Another great video...Thanks
Yes on the truing. It's what we used with four Krieger barrels chambered in 260 Remington last year.
Great Video
Thank you. Great info!
Thanks for all the great content. I'm a hunter (not a competition shooter) and recently purchased a Christensen ridgeline 300WM. Its shooting really nice with a .33" group at 100 yards. I was about to purchase a kestrel 5700 elite but one of my buddies just got a sig 2400BDX rangefinder. I like the idea of not carrying an extra tool/instrument. My question is, should I go with the Kestrel or a ballistic rangefinder like the sig BDX or the Leica ballistic rangefinder. Are temperature, elevation, and wind that important? I know wind is important but it can vary quite a bit between where you take it with the kestrel and where the animal is. I hope not to shoot further than 600-700 yards.
ive also been wonderiing this same thing. since they will all link together and to my phone is it worth it to get the expensive kestrel or just rely on a cheap wind meter and input it into the bdx on my phone and let it do its thiing
❤️ Great video, thank you. 🇨🇦 Sub’d and liked 👍 I have a Burris Eliminator- all I need to know is the bullet in inches depending on elevation, barometric pressure and temperature so which unit do you recommend. Hoping you will reply. 👍 it’s been nine months without a reply from you.
@@north4961 I've wondered how precise these really were because calibers/cartridges vary so much and depending on the powder can vary differently with temperature.
But I think you coukd just get the plan weather style if that's all the info you need.
@@jordansprad Very precise, once you know your muzzle velocity and BC for the round you are going to use. Just enter on the Burris Ballistic App the elevation, barometric and temp.
Which provides the number that you enter on scope ( takes like seconds 👍 ) You are ready to shoot.
@@north4961 ahh nice, I guess knowing what I know now and after doing long range comps, I'd prolly be more comfortable with my regular routine of gathering dope and/or using a kestrel.
I think this is really cool, but I can't figure out how to to get a range finder a scope and this in a compact package
Really helpful video.... on the Elite is there a way to capture shooting inclination without inputting it? I.e. point and capture?
No, there isn't. I would love to see it happen, though!
I have been using the 4DOF app and like it. I know Kestrel makes a 4DOF model. If you are shooting Hornady bullets I assume the 4DOF Kestrel would be a good choice. But, if you're shooting a larger variety of bullets that Hornady doesn't have in 4DOF (like Nosler Accubond), it would seem to me that the Elite would be the best option because it isn't just tied to bullets within the 4DOF app. Am I thinking about that correctly?
I have the elite version. Is there a way to set the wind direction to be based on the compass rather than the target? Meaning can I say the wind is north west and then use the live capture to give target direction and have the kestrel adjust the wind on it's own?
No. Simple degrees or clock positions, either entered manually, or with a wind capture relative to DOF.
im running thru your playlist on the kestrel now. Been confused on all the different versions...so thanks for this. I dont do long range shooting competitions....but would like some accuracy and confidence out to 500 yards on hunts. Thinking this combined with Sigs new BDX system might be a great option. Any experience with that combination?
That was great, but, your still running 24 h, 7 days a week, phone support ? and which one should I buy? 👀
Please elaborate.
@@PanhandlePrecision Thought I'd remind you of some of those stupid question you must get inundated with lol, on a more relevant topic, these look interesting, a bit pricey. triggercam.co/
Just a whole lot of over priced crap no one really needs
And yet you came to watch the video...
U clearly have never shot beyond 3-400 and hit stuff yards if u did u would appretiate these devices... I had no issue hit a 370yard target but at 525 amd wind all of a sudden if wasn’t that easy anymore never mind a first shot impact
@@henryhenry5897 I quite often shoot out to 1000yds + and never needed this crap
@@hdnz7802 well then I’ll take it back, there is ways to accomplish it I have not bought a kestrel but would like to try tk see how much easier it is
@@hdnz7802 Well, I to shoot out to 800 meters, but I never hit anything, until I bought a Kestrel :-)
Get a Sportsman if you can find, buy the upgrade to Elite for $200... You'll save a couple hundred dollars that way...
$300 for the upgrade now😥 I remember when it was $190
I know this video has been on here for a while but just had to comment on what a great informative video you did. just bought the upgrade and watched your video on that too. still have more to watch and learn . thanks for all your time and doing such a great video.
Wow The best video Ive seen of information Kestrel. The factory could learn from this guy.
Thanks
For the information
Great to see you publishing again. Always informative, even for those with lots of experience 😁
Excellent video. Well organized. Extremely informative. Sufficiently long. (Most people unnecessarily and annoyingly go into speed talk mode in order to keep their videos short.) No time-wasting rabbit trails, but instead here are the facts 1-2-3. Very professional. Just what I needed being new to Kestrels. And THANK YOU for not including that annoying background music that so many demand to ruin their videos with.
Super helpful video! Saved me a few hundred bucks as I no longer think I need the additional features of the Elite.
Out here again doing yeoman's work Sam, everything i wanted to know a bout my Elite without having to pay take a class or read through the Manual!
Holy Crap. That's a lot of capability! Gonna have to watch this a bunch of times
Think I will start out with the ballistics 5700. I shoot some 243 to maybe 600, 22lr out to 300 and mostly air rifle 10 to 200. Like you said ,you can always upgrade later if you feel the need.
Good to c you back best channel.
Thanks for taking the time to show us the differences Sam. Much appreciated.
Picked up a Sportsman from Cameraland for $249.00 They are still available at that price. Love it! Great video. Thx!
The range card seems nice since I am starting PRS. Will the app have the range card if you don’t buy an elite?
Im thinking about the ruger 5700 it has the factory bullet listed downloaded in the unit. My question is can i input my reloads instead of one of their factory loads ? Thanks.
I just got the 5700 elite ballistics with link. I will check it out this coming weekend. I have a lot to learn with that tool.
Thanks for the vid. I was just introduced to these for the first time at a class in Idaho three weeks ago, , where I was allowed to borrow one and use it in the field, and this video helps me remember some of the stuff I was taught as I work with the one I just bought for myself. Cheers.
Hi so new at all this and don’t want to sound ignorant but after watching your great video here’s my setup. Begara b14r and Ruger precision rimfire but main rifle is bergara, I do have quite a few different ammos but probably will stick with just a couple. Nrl22 I’d say max distance 450. So I see main difference Is range card and target card and of course 3 gun/ammo to 30 gun/ammo. One thing I’m not sure is in ballistics on non elite is there .22lr ammo information. I do have a magnetospeed v3 coming so I can get true average velocity. I have no intentions of any bigger guns or probably any more. So I know you probably get asked all the time but in your opinion which would you go with. Thx Sean
Hi, great content! Could you do a follow-up video on the new " Kestrel 5700X Weather Meter with Applied Ballistics"? Thanks in advance
Maybe I missed it. But I'm assuming that these units automatically adjust your firing solution as atmospheric conditions change? Or do you have to do that manually? Great video as usual.
They continuously update for the environment, unless you lock it.
Excellent information sir Great job Sam
Thanks for the thorough explanation. Curious what’s the warranty on it in case I find one used?
Thank you for the informative video. Another way to upgrade the meter if you don't want to do it yourself with the cable or dongle is to send it to NK and they will upgrade it for you. They are excellent people to deal with.
How about the 5700x? Are you familiar with it? Haven't been able to find any decent info on that one. It says the x is faster - not sure how that helps vs the Elite.
I just took one out for the first time this weekend.
I have had the 4500NV HORUS for at least 8 years. I find it hard to learn to use and harder to get the ballistics to match real world shooting.
I have shot it out to 1,000 yards and there are more factors than what that meter is apparently telling me.
I noticed in this video that the two meters you scrolled through sitting side by side had different readings in every screen including the time.
That is not reassuring me that the new meter is better. You are also likely using two meters that are newer than the one I have.
I will take this video with a grain of salt at this point.
The 5700 Elite w/link looks like the choice for me.
Thanks for making this video Sam , very informative tutorial mate . Cheers 🍻
Great video Sam. Thanks for sharing.Now the fun starts which one ha ha.
Sam, awesome comparison. Extremely helpful. Thanks so much. At about 6:30 in the video, you said that the Ballistics does use Applied Ballistics as the solver, and that it's a misconception that they don't. I just went to Kestrel's website and in the product page for the Ballistics model, they specifically state that "The 5700 has ballistics software, but it's not Applied Ballistics". What's up with that? Seems from my perspective like it definitely does use AB for the software... Why would Kestrel say that it doesn't use AB?
red_dot_scott It doesn’t say that on Kestrel’s website, but an outfit that sells Kestrels still has it wrong. They’ve been told, but I don’t think they’ll ever fix it. Kestrel’s website is kestrelballistics.com
@@PanhandlePrecision oh what the heck. Misleading at best. Then. The website I was on is kestrelmeters.com. Thanks again
As somebody that shoots, but does not shoot anything like ELR, what is your view on Kestrel v Strelok software?
Is it simply that the Kestrel integrates the software and the hardware into the one device, or is it that the Kestrel does so much more than Strelok ever could?
I mean, would a more basik Kesterl combined with Strelok not give 'average Joe' the same outcome?
I sometimes feel like Strelok is a taboo word in certain circles because it has shaken the hardware manufacturers to the core.
May well be showing my ignorance here.
I like Kestrels because they’re fast, easy, and durable. I started with Exbal on a crappy little pocket PC, then BulletFlight on several iPhones. A few months after trying a Kestrel, I ditched all of it. There was never an accuracy issue between those three, just an ease of use.
@@PanhandlePrecision Thanks for taking the time to reply fella.
I'm looking at a Kestrel and your video has been helpful.
All the best from the UK 👍🇮🇸
@@MKChase-uj9vx Strelok Pro ($12) at least uses G7 and has a good bullet database. It'll do fine for a casual shooter. Know that you will have to true it, which means shooting and capturing good data on your system. If you're wanting to step up to the next level or compete beyond informal club matches, Kestrel with AB will help get you there.
Great job on this, where have you been hiding ???
Fantastic comparison. Thank you. Subscribed.
Nicely done! Very thorough, informative, and helpful!
Great video. I have the 5700 standard so can’t wait for the next one
Love this channel...very informative
I'll probably never own one of these but the technology is fascinating. Really enjoyed watching this.
Thank you for the thorough comparison! It was very helpful and now I can decide what to get!!!
Great video Sam. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to break these down and explain the differences.
first class video
Hello I was looking at the video, amazing explanaition by the way have you check on the software upfrade option on the kestrel 5700 to convert it in to the elite? its only 220.00, so I wounder what is it that you dont get by doing the upgrade since you still come up 100.00 shy of the price of the kestrel elite?
great video! Do you or someone know why the G7 bc on hornady website is different from the Kestrel bullet library in the APP? Im shooting 6.5 ELD-X 143 GR. The hornady website show a G7 bc of .315, the Kestrel bullet library shows a G7 bc of .292.
No, but .315 is what I've used with the lot of 143s I've been shooting.
@@PanhandlePrecision Thanks! The ELD-M are almost impossible to find but I did come across some ELD-X's so Im going to give them a try. You wouldnt happen to know the difference between the two would ya, except for the X is more for hunting.
@@bd7589 They both shoot great, and have been easy to load for. The 140s will run faster than the 143s with the same charge. You might pressure out with a high load for 140s if you use the 143. 143s and 147s run the same in my barrels.
@@PanhandlePrecision Good to know. thanks!
Good morning sir,
I have a question that I believe you may know.
I’m shooting 0.25 inches at 100yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor. My Kestrel is saying 1.16 MIL elevation at 300 yards however my dead center is 1.6 MILs and getting 2 inch groups at 300.
The question is, what is the best way to true this? MV or BC? Axial Form Factor will not allow for this correction at this distance.
Thank you in advance!!
Awesome video!
Very helpful
Informative video
Good one.
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If you are in the Northeastern part of the US where magnetic declination is 21 degrees, your direction of fire will be off. Question: If I change VAR in the weather menu to reflect the magnetic declination of my location, will it be reflected in the ballistics section and in my captures and calculations of a firing solution?
Great and helpful information, thanks!
will kestrel hud heads up display work with kestrel 4500 applied ballistics
I also see that your older Kestrel had features removed from it that mine have. I also see that the "elite" has had those features reinstalled (added back). Wow! What's next?
thank you very much you've help me very much understand.
Thank you Sir. That said what if you want to use the 4DOF app by Hornady?
Sam Tremendously appreciated! Just used the mobile app and upgraded to the new 1.41 firmware. Thanks
This was a great comparison video, helped me decide on a buy
Hey man thanks so much for this info, you just saved me a $100 🤙
Question: Does data input include barrel length? Ballistic models and the calculators they are used in are pretty useless when they are based on data from a single barrel length, especially the longer-than-usual barrel lengths used by ammo manufacturers to test their ammo.
Barrel length itself is not an input. Twist rate of the barrel and the velocity it produces are. Different lengths can produce identical results, and similar lengths can produce different results.
Got it. Thanks. Presently playing with an 11.5 and finding actual results significantly different from online calculators, including Applied Ballistics. Before I buy, I just want to know that the calculations that the Kestrel puts out are going to be dependable. If I'm going to have to work off of my own calculations instead of depending on the Kestrel output, it won't be entirely useful to me. Of course, I'm probably missing something about it all. I'll figure it out.
@@fog8969 Actual MV and how well the barrel stabilizes the bullet you’re using is what you’ll need to pin down. If you input an accurate MV and BC to the Kestrel, it will give you dependable predictions.
Roger that. Thanks.
Since I don't have the equipment to measure MV, I'm working on using manual iterations or Solver or Goal Seek in one or more Excel ballistics calculators to estimate MV from bullet drop data collected from just two or three shots. For example, zero scope to 50, then take and measure shots at, say, 100 and 150. Then manually iterate or use Solver or Goal Seek to iterate MV to find the MV that produces those results. If that worked to estimate MV at some acceptable level of confidence, then use or at least further test that MV for expanded info.
Strelok Pro is good enough.
Great review thank you for you help !!
Is this device needed for 400 600 yards
AWESOME VID Thanx.
Good Info Sam, thank you
Great comparison review!
Great review! Thanks Sam.
Awesome. Very helpful.
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Thank you for doing this.
Great video sir
Thank you!!!
Great video
Get to play with the X yet?
Great info
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I would highlight G7 vs custom curve solution for a longer range shot that requires bullet to go transonic and subsonic (eg 308 175gr SMK at 1,200 yards). AB custom curves are one of the top reasons to get Elite.
"Write down your dope on previous conditions." Good video but bro, this could be 8 minutes.
I dont know why kestrel is still a thing