I’m from the UK, I only shoot sub 12flb air rifles but I am learning so many things from your podcasts that I can apply to my own shooting. Absolutely treasure the knowledge you guys have. Thanks
I would like to see a dark mode mode color scheme with red text for reading in the dark. Scenario: I'm in a blind or hunting position before dawn and I want to review my data without firing up a bright white glow. Thanks, gents. Great podcast.
Constructive feedback #1: In rifle profile setup We need to be able to input correction factors for scope turret variance from exact moa or milrad amounts. We do tall target testing to measure the actual amount that the elevation turret moves POI per click… most scopes do not track perfectly. For example I have one scope that tracks 0.095 milrad/click and another scope that tracks 0.247 moa/click. Without this simple correction factor input into the app, I have to take your come up value in the hud… then remember or lookup my tall target test result for that scope and calculate the factored come up then dial my turret and hope I didn’t make a mistake… 😬this is unbelievably annoying! I mean we are trying to be precise right?… The scope turret tracking error can be several percent. Then you can provide the solution result in either raw come up or corrected scope adjustment format or both. For an example of this feature handled well, check out Strelok Pro. Cheers!
Well thanks! All your pod casts, especially the 4DOF stuff, has made my son a ballistics nerd. Now I struggle sometimes to keep up with his topics on improving our shooting. He has built a couple of long range guns and is an awesome marksman, but initially he was frustrated over the understanding of ballistics. Now, thanks to your generous abs digestible content, he has become a "walking ballistics encyckopedia". It's great to see the "smart ones" sharing their knowledge to the younger crowds. Hornady's willingness to share all this info, at little to no cost, is a great thing for them & us. We still smile with each shot, but now we are getting smarter with each shot, too.
I'm pretty new to this game and I had to watch this one a couple times, but this is really sweet. I can't wait to get out on the range, input all the data and put this to the test. Keep these podcasts coming! I enjoy them all but the technical stuff is extremely interesting. Thanks, all!
Another great podcast, guys! I drifted away from the 4DOF app a couple of years ago - there were some thing I didn't understand. These last several podcasts have roped me back in. Thank you!
@@hornadyI’m pretty sure I’m getting a bad calculation when I use high angle and wind. Who can I chat with about this. I love the layout of the app and would like to use it but I need to get this issue figured out
Great watch and covers everything 👌 The talk about the 'noise' within your groupings was interesting and I'd never really considered that before. What would be awesome is if you could come up with your own version of the Ballistic X app within 4DOF. You could then take a photo of your zero, input all the impacts, calculate group size, vertical and horizontal dispersion and automatically have that data entered automatically instead of having to measure and manually input..........
Tip: if you have your Device in a case with a Magnet or even your credit cards. Like a phone case with slots for cards. Or magnetic closing latch. It will interfere with the angle settings. Glad you guys did this video. It will help others that are just getting into it. It took me lots of playing around with it, to get it all figured out.
It would be sweet if you guys broke this video down into chapters within the video so a guy could find the point he’s trying to reference with out scrolling through the entire video
2:39 Initially, when I saw that you needed to log in, I was really put off: most companies require a log in to limit their users, but that's not the purpose of this log in, it really does allow for some neat features.
Really excited to get my rifle setup and start checking this calculator. Went ahead and ordered a couple more boxes of 6.5PRC ELD-X so that I will at least have a box on hand until I get a load developed. I'm going to do the range card lock screen for spring bear.
Excellent podcast. I have recently started using the Hornady app, again. There are some differences between it and Strelok Pro, which I have also used. One thing, I cannot find Federal brand ammo in the libraries. I have one rifle that does really well with Federal Fusion .30 W 165 gr. And I have a lot of that ammo. So, I enter manually the data from the box, which is general and to 500 yards, probably close enough. 500 yards is about the limit if energy at 1,000 ft-lbs for that. Now, I have a new rifle in 7 mm PRC and slightly less than 100 rounds of the Precision Hunter 175 gr ELD-X. And working on tuning my rifle to really like that load. Watching this was even more helpful than the basic how-to. Different ways that you can hack it. And, I have ordered a Kestrel unit to have it synched for local atmospherics. For example, where I live is the highest elevation in my county and my state, over 620 feet ASL. That has to have some effect. And I cannot always depend on an average temperature. It can be 15 degrees in the morning and 50 by afternoon. I even purchased the range card, which is nearly nothing. $12 for Strelok Pro, so .99 for range cards is nothing. And I was looking for a way to print a range card because there is no export button. But screen cap was brilliant. I can do that and send it to a printer if I want a hard copy (sometimes doing things kind of old school.) Also, I can go to the Hornady site on my desktop or laptop and generate a calc chart and print that. However, in that calculator, I could not find 7 mm PRC. I did choose 7 mm, .284 at 175 gr and 3,000 fps and it fairly matches what I calculated in the app. The weird thing is that on some of my test distances, it can be a 1 MOA difference between Strelok Pro and Hornady. For example, I can bore sight with a laser at 10 yards in my house. Then go to a range and test at a short range and calculate and arrive at approximate 100 yard zero and refine that. I was trying to figure out why one app is about 1 MOA from a different app. However, I am going to work with the Hornady figures. My main application is hunting, from 50 yards and out. Eventually, I plan to go for mule deer at a few hundred yards to elk at some farther distances. Right now, the farthest shot I have ranged at the public land I use near me is 225 yards. Keep up the good work, guys. I have become a binge watcher of these. What I don't know could and does fill volumes.
My Hornady kestrel 5700 still doesn't have the Berger 7 mm 180 Grain Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet in the bullet library will it ever be in the 4DOF family?
Thanks for breaking the whole app down field by field, can'twait to play with the zero angle approach. Some quick questions on zero angle to make sure i followed along correctly. If you add your impact data (ideally on a zero wind day) and go back to the hud, the scope adjustments shown should put you dead on at whatever you select as your zero distance right? Then you adjust your scope to those figures and change your impact data to 0-0 and go off to the races? Most people want their turrets set perfectly to their zero, so to do that this way how many shots are you two shooting before entering your zero angle impact data? Then, how many more after adjusting your scope and zeroing the impact data to confirm (or is it not really needed at that point)? Thanks again for your podcasts content I'm thoroughly enjoying it and learning a lot!
Love these videos. Watched the two episodes about bullet drag and BC; it convinced me to purchase the 4DOF version of Kestrel over the standard 5700. Really impressed with what Hornady is putting out. Bullets are great and awesome free software with educational videos to explain it. I am originally from Nebraska, so maybe I'm a bit bias.
Hey guys, let's say I'm trying to get zero'd, find my zero angle, offsets, etc. And let's say I'm at a 100 yd range with a remote Kestrel with the wind vane and can set it up anywhere between me and the target (so 0 to 100 yd). Given that wind speed and direction are so critical where would you place your wind meter? Halfway (50 yd) or closer? I think I heard (maybe on one of your prior podcasts) that the wind affects aerodynamic jump more as the bullet exits the barrel so maybe closer would be better? Thanks for your response and love the content and products you're putting out.
Thanks for the app guys - one issue for me is trying to read the small grey text - can’t you make that black or the screen zoomable. Actually all the grey text is difficult to read. Other than that works great.
1:09:24 is this an instance were you could shoot a target, input the location of your hits in the app it and would calculate your dope for zero at your other target ranges without the need to re-zero for the new load?
I did a good 15 round group and figured out my zero angle once. Worked like a charm. I had to take the barreled action out of the stock and clean the gun good after a wet hunt and when I put it back together all my impacts are now .4 miles low. I thought as long as the scope and barreled action stay together the zero angle stays the same? Do I have to re-do the whole process now that i re set the barreled and scoped action in the stock and the “zero” is now .4 mils low?
Excellent information backed by sound analytical data and analysis. If you can setup 4Dof at 100 meters indoor, would you input differently? I. e. Angle, no wind etc.
I am determined to use this app. I would like to get the Kestrel with 4DOF on it but it’s too pricey right now. What’s your best suggestion for environmental conditions? Smart phone apps?
Different zero angle for different load/bullet combos? With and without suppressors? I'm guessing yes because the impact locations will likely be different.
I'm really interested in trying the zero angle route. Would it still be worth it without a kestrel? If I just look up the local data am I going to be too far off? Should I just use zero range until I can fork out 500 big ones for a kestrel? Love the content guys. It's a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
After calculating zero angle with no wind and zero impact height and windage there is always a slight windage offset calculated. Is this to account for spin drift?
Gents, thanks so much for producing this useful video! I have a kestrel with 4DOF built in. I use the kestrel LiNK app to create and download gun profiles to my kestrel. However, some of the parameters covered in this video are not available in the kestrel app. Is there a way in the Hornady App to share gun profiles with a kestrel or the kestrel LiNK app? Thanks!
Thanks for this! I know it's a year after you recorded it, but I hope you read this. Thanks for the free app. One additional feature I'd like is the ability to edit a Group Analysis file. In particular, to remove shots. It seems strange that you can't edit anything after you've saved it, only delete it. Also, it calculates E & W offsets in inches; could you add an option for mm/cm,. MRAD and MOA please? Best wishes from a grateful user in New Zealand!
Is the G1 and G7 calculator more specific to each bullet shape that is in the library? Or is it the standard G1 and G7 where those objects slow down in one specific way?
The temperature sensitivity is not covered well in the other videos. It is good and important to know that it is a change of velocity with a 1 degree of temperature change in fps and not a percentage of the velocity eg 0.35 fps not 0.2% of 2760fps.
Would be a nice feature to be able to shuffle target order in the range card. Say you have input 6 target distances near to far but find out there is a 7th that's the nearest. How do I get that target dope to the top of the list
Just started to view but already eager and excited to learn!!!😂 One very early request- can you add the 1:3 twist variable?? Im wanting to try ballistics for 8.6 Blk using your 185 gn CX and possibly the 225 gn!!!👍🏽😄
@@johnmorgan2099 yep! I was making my profile on the 4DOF app but the twist rate doesn’t go past 1:4 this is why I’m hoping they open up the twist rate range for calculations! 👍🏽
You should add E-dope card output to the range card screen, you also need a least 2 wind speed values visible at once to make it more suitable for competition.
A question: The firing azimuth feature on the 4DOF app is not working on my I phone. The compass on my phone works and I have earth based turned on and GPS enabled to determine location. I have seen it work before but, most of the time it does not work. Any ideas on correcting this? Thank you
If I do a "Tall Target Test" and discover that my scope clicks are not exactly what they are supposed to be, in 4DOF, can I enter a correction factor so that what it tells me matches my scope?
Where do i find the temperature sensitivity for hornady factory ammo? I've tried looking everywhere on the Hornady site, but i can't find the data for factory ammo. "Carefully Matched Powder" isn't an option.
I love the app, but a few improvements would make it fantastic: 1: be able to shoot a wind azimuth just like you do with the target azimuth 2: a target card in the app that helps with PRS. What I’m thinking is making a target card with all your distances and then being able to shoot an azimuth for each target with its wind azimuth.
Is there a way to input a custom drag curve, lapua had published there own drag curves, applied ballistics does custom drag curves, steylok has the ability to enter custom curve.
So far my only complaint is IF your bullet isn't in the list, you can't just ,either input your own BC, weight, diameter, length, OR pull info from the regular hornady bullets. I know it wouldn't have the "475 points of data" but it would have something....
Hello and a bit late to the party, I love these ballistic episodes of the podcast. I also very much appreciate the reach out to get more input from users. At the same time, there's no easy way to give that input. I would love a way to directly report errors and come with suggestions/wishes directly in the app. The users are tied to an email and that would make it easy for you to reconnect via email. I sent one error report in the other day, and had to go through the general contact form on the Hornady page, and error report for the app (or any app related questions) were not options for contact. As a user who would love to participate and give active feedback, it would make things so much easier if I could send a ticket through the app.
Great vid. Thanks. So I have built multiple range cards and huds and when I sign out and then sign back in they are gone. In fact I am asked to restore purchase. What am I doing wrong? Ps. If I don’t sign out, they remain. I have tried multiple devices and have the same issue.
I’m just wondering if I missed it in a different pod cast. But my. Rifles have. 20 moa. Bases. Does that have any effect on. The effects of the data solution. ?
Suggestion, on all measurements/distance inputs, allow the user to change the unit used (in place). ie zero range... allow user to enter distance and in place specify unit used, applicable to "Set Rifle Info" and then values on "Zero Range/Find Zero Range" Maybe on the HUD, where sowing values environment: Altitude... show which unit it is in, easy to not realise it might be feet and not meters or vice versa. ie a altitude of 100feet and 100meter's is actually close, but a very significant difference. You do reflect this for wind in the slider just about the bullet... and you show this for distance as you show yards. sorry, as i'm watching... coming up with "suggestions", where you show values being pulled in from kestrel, show the units being pulled in/reflected.
You should figure out a way to log into the app without cell service. My range is out in bfe with no cell service and if I don’t log into the app right before I lose service I can’t get into my profile when I get to the range.
I used 4DOF almost exclusively until 2020. Then it just stopped working - I could not make it work on any iPhone or iPad. The app went to the start screen, then crashed. I saw your podcast and thought - "maybe they fixed the bug?". Well, it's still there. New iPhone, same old problem - crashes after it starts.
Just an FYI, the 4DOF ballistic calculator on your website is broken. It doesn’t correct pressure for altitude and doesn’t take earth based affects into account even though it says it is. I plugged in all the data to match my 4DOF app and downloaded the range card data from your web calculator. When comparing the data from web calc to actual app, your website is way off. Downloading excel files of range card dope from your web calc was all wrong. I’ll stick to the app.
Ok, I have a complaint. I purchased the load data for 308 Win and 6.5 Creedmoor, but there's a huge problem if internet is not available and the app closes if it can't connect to your Hornady server (so it seems). This means I can't get the data unless I am within cell/wifi coverage. This is typically not a problem as I typically reload at home and have ammo when I go our hunting, just an annoyance. I notice for instance on 308 Win that Hornady groups the bullets by size, so in the case of Hornady CX, which I need to use copper for hunting, it gives me a range of 176-180 grains. I'm reloading 180 grain CX. If you have bullets between 176-180 grains they will not perform the same. I have some 178 grain ELD-X which I plan to use for target practice as we can't use lead for game here in California. The 178 grain ELD-X will shoot different than the 180 grain CX. I will load and watch for pressure signs on the primer/pocket, but it seems it would be more helpful to have those bullets with different load data, just a thought. With that said, if I purchase the entire 11th edition will I have all the reloading data for all cartridges so it doesn't need to access over the Internet? That would be more useful, but ultimately I guess I need to order the hard copy book, it seems the electronic versions of riddled with differences as I describe. At least with hard copy there is no question, if the data is in the book it's there, and if it's not one needs to work up the load themselves. Unfortunate for me, I don't have a chronograph, but I don't know actual velocity.
@@IronCamel6.6 I write software for a living, been doing it for 40 years, and IMO that is a #fail Whoever designed this software to require the Internet even if the data is local had their head on backwards...just saying...I would have expected better from Hornady, but still...I like their bullets.
I have been trying to follow along with Jayden during setup but I seem to be having trouble with the app. I am not seeing the same settings in the 4DOF setup. Could this be my phone or the app? I have tried to update it but I seem to have the most recent version for Android. Version 2023.0629.327
Unstable app. Keeps crashing. Cant edit the environmental data, the wind digits keep flickering. In fact the only thing i can adjust is the wind diection, and this takes 5-10s to calc, but then app crashes Wish it worked, as it looks like it could be really useful
Constructive Feedback #2: You refer to specific things in vaguely different ways in different parts of the app and with strangely imprecise language: You call saved rifle profiles “favourites” then in the description of favourites you refer to it as a “build out” Then in the HUD you have an “edit rifle info” button that takes you to the “set rifle info” page to input info related to both the rifle and the ammo which apparently is one of your “favourite build outs”. 🤪 So… let me get this straight… all of my saved rifle profiles are favourites?… I think not… I have rifle profiles that are real ones that I use in the field, some that are hypothetical, some that are temporary etc. They most certainly are not all favourites. I know I’m being nit-picky about semantics… but a good GUI relies on referring to specific things with consistent, precise, intuitive and meaningful nomenclature and symbology. Recommendation: 1) Change “Favorites” to “Saved Rifle Profiles” 2) In the saved rifle profiles list make allowance for creating multiple lists that the user can name themselves… then the user can sort different profiles how they see fit. Which might include actual favourites if they are so inclined.
I’d like the app to stop crashing. This is a new development. It was working great for years. Now it won’t load the chart/grid for my rifles that use zero angle. Not 100% sure that is the driver but it is the only common feature I’ve found. PLEASE FIX THIS! 😼
The fact that Hornady offers this for free is awesome.
Such a cool app 👌
I’m from the UK, I only shoot sub 12flb air rifles but I am learning so many things from your podcasts that I can apply to my own shooting.
Absolutely treasure the knowledge you guys have. Thanks
I would like to see a dark mode mode color scheme with red text for reading in the dark. Scenario: I'm in a blind or hunting position before dawn and I want to review my data without firing up a bright white glow. Thanks, gents. Great podcast.
Constructive feedback #1:
In rifle profile setup We need to be able to input correction factors for scope turret variance from exact moa or milrad amounts. We do tall target testing to measure the actual amount that the elevation turret moves POI per click… most scopes do not track perfectly. For example I have one scope that tracks 0.095 milrad/click and another scope that tracks 0.247 moa/click. Without this simple correction factor input into the app, I have to take your come up value in the hud… then remember or lookup my tall target test result for that scope and calculate the factored come up then dial my turret and hope I didn’t make a mistake… 😬this is unbelievably annoying!
I mean we are trying to be precise right?… The scope turret tracking error can be several percent.
Then you can provide the solution result in either raw come up or corrected scope adjustment format or both. For an example of this feature handled well, check out Strelok Pro.
Cheers!
Well thanks! All your pod casts, especially the 4DOF stuff, has made my son a ballistics nerd. Now I struggle sometimes to keep up with his topics on improving our shooting. He has built a couple of long range guns and is an awesome marksman, but initially he was frustrated over the understanding of ballistics. Now, thanks to your generous abs digestible content, he has become a "walking ballistics encyckopedia". It's great to see the "smart ones" sharing their knowledge to the younger crowds. Hornady's willingness to share all this info, at little to no cost, is a great thing for them & us.
We still smile with each shot, but now we are getting smarter with each shot, too.
I'm pretty new to this game and I had to watch this one a couple times, but this is really sweet. I can't wait to get out on the range, input all the data and put this to the test. Keep these podcasts coming! I enjoy them all but the technical stuff is extremely interesting. Thanks, all!
Another great podcast, guys! I drifted away from the 4DOF app a couple of years ago - there were some thing I didn't understand. These last several podcasts have roped me back in. Thank you!
Great to hear!
@@hornadyI’m pretty sure I’m getting a bad calculation when I use high angle and wind. Who can I chat with about this. I love the layout of the app and would like to use it but I need to get this issue figured out
I'm going to need to watch this 2 or 3 times to absorb all the information. Thank you for helping us be better.
You are so welcome!
Great watch and covers everything 👌
The talk about the 'noise' within your groupings was interesting and I'd never really considered that before.
What would be awesome is if you could come up with your own version of the Ballistic X app within 4DOF.
You could then take a photo of your zero, input all the impacts, calculate group size, vertical and horizontal dispersion and automatically have that data entered automatically instead of having to measure and manually input..........
I really like that powder temperature stability reference. I hope you continue to build that data base.
Tip: if you have your Device in a case with a Magnet or even your credit cards. Like a phone case with slots for cards. Or magnetic closing latch. It will interfere with the angle settings.
Glad you guys did this video. It will help others that are just getting into it. It took me lots of playing around with it, to get it all figured out.
Yeah baby , more great information from very knowledgeable people at a great American company👍☝️👊😀.
I've had this app on my phone for years and never knew half of these features were available!! thanks!!
You bet!
It would be sweet if you guys broke this video down into chapters within the video so a guy could find the point he’s trying to reference with out scrolling through the entire video
2:39 Initially, when I saw that you needed to log in, I was really put off: most companies require a log in to limit their users, but that's not the purpose of this log in, it really does allow for some neat features.
Erik Cortina has recently started watching your great Podcasts.
Erik should have them at Believe the Target
I'll bet Erik thinks he knows better. Ha Ha
He does in his realm
@@tylerselby240absolutely not.
Really excited to get my rifle setup and start checking this calculator. Went ahead and ordered a couple more boxes of 6.5PRC ELD-X so that I will at least have a box on hand until I get a load developed. I'm going to do the range card lock screen for spring bear.
Really glad you guys did this one! Love the 4DOF app. Can’t wait to hit the range and put this to use!
Quinlan and Swerczek blessing us before Christmas? The Hornady gods love us this year!
Excellent podcast. I have recently started using the Hornady app, again. There are some differences between it and Strelok Pro, which I have also used.
One thing, I cannot find Federal brand ammo in the libraries. I have one rifle that does really well with Federal Fusion .30 W 165 gr. And I have a lot of that ammo. So, I enter manually the data from the box, which is general and to 500 yards, probably close enough. 500 yards is about the limit if energy at 1,000 ft-lbs for that.
Now, I have a new rifle in 7 mm PRC and slightly less than 100 rounds of the Precision Hunter 175 gr ELD-X. And working on tuning my rifle to really like that load.
Watching this was even more helpful than the basic how-to. Different ways that you can hack it. And, I have ordered a Kestrel unit to have it synched for local atmospherics. For example, where I live is the highest elevation in my county and my state, over 620 feet ASL. That has to have some effect. And I cannot always depend on an average temperature. It can be 15 degrees in the morning and 50 by afternoon.
I even purchased the range card, which is nearly nothing. $12 for Strelok Pro, so .99 for range cards is nothing. And I was looking for a way to print a range card because there is no export button. But screen cap was brilliant. I can do that and send it to a printer if I want a hard copy (sometimes doing things kind of old school.) Also, I can go to the Hornady site on my desktop or laptop and generate a calc chart and print that. However, in that calculator, I could not find 7 mm PRC. I did choose 7 mm, .284 at 175 gr and 3,000 fps and it fairly matches what I calculated in the app.
The weird thing is that on some of my test distances, it can be a 1 MOA difference between Strelok Pro and Hornady. For example, I can bore sight with a laser at 10 yards in my house. Then go to a range and test at a short range and calculate and arrive at approximate 100 yard zero and refine that. I was trying to figure out why one app is about 1 MOA from a different app. However, I am going to work with the Hornady figures.
My main application is hunting, from 50 yards and out. Eventually, I plan to go for mule deer at a few hundred yards to elk at some farther distances. Right now, the farthest shot I have ranged at the public land I use near me is 225 yards.
Keep up the good work, guys. I have become a binge watcher of these. What I don't know could and does fill volumes.
Thanks for the information. I'm going update/add some information.
Can you add Winchester 6.5 Staball to your powder library in the custom load section? Thanks, great app!
My Hornady kestrel 5700 still doesn't have the Berger 7 mm 180 Grain Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet in the bullet library will it ever be in the 4DOF family?
Thanks for this and all the videos you put out. They are informative and I enjoy watching them.
Glad you like them!
Thanks for breaking the whole app down field by field, can'twait to play with the zero angle approach. Some quick questions on zero angle to make sure i followed along correctly. If you add your impact data (ideally on a zero wind day) and go back to the hud, the scope adjustments shown should put you dead on at whatever you select as your zero distance right? Then you adjust your scope to those figures and change your impact data to 0-0 and go off to the races? Most people want their turrets set perfectly to their zero, so to do that this way how many shots are you two shooting before entering your zero angle impact data? Then, how many more after adjusting your scope and zeroing the impact data to confirm (or is it not really needed at that point)? Thanks again for your podcasts content I'm thoroughly enjoying it and learning a lot!
Love these videos. Watched the two episodes about bullet drag and BC; it convinced me to purchase the 4DOF version of Kestrel over the standard 5700. Really impressed with what Hornady is putting out. Bullets are great and awesome free software with educational videos to explain it. I am originally from Nebraska, so maybe I'm a bit bias.
We appreciate it!
Hey guys, let's say I'm trying to get zero'd, find my zero angle, offsets, etc. And let's say I'm at a 100 yd range with a remote Kestrel with the wind vane and can set it up anywhere between me and the target (so 0 to 100 yd). Given that wind speed and direction are so critical where would you place your wind meter? Halfway (50 yd) or closer? I think I heard (maybe on one of your prior podcasts) that the wind affects aerodynamic jump more as the bullet exits the barrel so maybe closer would be better? Thanks for your response and love the content and products you're putting out.
Temperature sensitivity for 6.5 staball powder would be nice to have in the app
Thanks for the app guys - one issue for me is trying to read the small grey text - can’t you make that black or the screen zoomable. Actually all the grey text is difficult to read. Other than that works great.
1:09:24 is this an instance were you could shoot a target, input the location of your hits in the app it and would calculate your dope for zero at your other target ranges without the need to re-zero for the new load?
I did a good 15 round group and figured out my zero angle once. Worked like a charm. I had to take the barreled action out of the stock and clean the gun good after a wet hunt and when I put it back together all my impacts are now .4 miles low. I thought as long as the scope and barreled action stay together the zero angle stays the same? Do I have to re-do the whole process now that i re set the barreled and scoped action in the stock and the “zero” is now .4 mils low?
Great application! Can you please and bullet information for the Sierra .224 69 grain in the match king and the tipped match king?
Excellent information backed by sound analytical data and analysis.
If you can setup 4Dof at 100 meters indoor, would you input differently? I. e. Angle, no wind etc.
Guys this is amazing stuff. Thank you.
Thank you!
I watched this podcast , this is a great info for me
I am determined to use this app. I would like to get the Kestrel with 4DOF on it but it’s too pricey right now. What’s your best suggestion for environmental conditions? Smart phone apps?
Incredible app!
I have learned alot from this pod cast! I have not had a chance to use this program yet But I've learned a lot
I wish I had more time to play with this app! I'm not very handy with this kind of stuff, I'm an old timer! LOL !!
Has Hornady given up on brass for the 6.5 Grendel? Will we every see brass for it again?
lol, it seems to be a rare beast these days
Different zero angle for different load/bullet combos? With and without suppressors? I'm guessing yes because the impact locations will likely be different.
I'm really interested in trying the zero angle route. Would it still be worth it without a kestrel? If I just look up the local data am I going to be too far off? Should I just use zero range until I can fork out 500 big ones for a kestrel? Love the content guys. It's a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
After calculating zero angle with no wind and zero impact height and windage there is always a slight windage offset calculated. Is this to account for spin drift?
Yes, prove it to yourself by temporarily changing barrel twist rate and see it change.
Gents, thanks so much for producing this useful video! I have a kestrel with 4DOF built in. I use the kestrel LiNK app to create and download gun profiles to my kestrel. However, some of the parameters covered in this video are not available in the kestrel app. Is there a way in the Hornady App to share gun profiles with a kestrel or the kestrel LiNK app? Thanks!
Unfortunately not at this time.
Great subject. Learned a lot.
Glad to hear it!
Bullets I’d like to see included in the 4DOF library include the 6mm 87 VMax, and 22 cal Berger 75 vld & 85.5 Hybrid.
Thanks for this! I know it's a year after you recorded it, but I hope you read this. Thanks for the free app. One additional feature I'd like is the ability to edit a Group Analysis file. In particular, to remove shots. It seems strange that you can't edit anything after you've saved it, only delete it. Also, it calculates E & W offsets in inches; could you add an option for mm/cm,. MRAD and MOA please? Best wishes from a grateful user in New Zealand!
Would like to see the Sierra 30 cal 169 grain Match King added to the library. All I see is 168 and 175 SMK.
Is the G1 and G7 calculator more specific to each bullet shape that is in the library? Or is it the standard G1 and G7 where those objects slow down in one specific way?
The temperature sensitivity is not covered well in the other videos. It is good and important to know that it is a change of velocity with a 1 degree of temperature change in fps and not a percentage of the velocity eg 0.35 fps not 0.2% of 2760fps.
Can you add a bullet and have app use offsets from 1st, aka, bullet first entered? Or do you have to set up and zero for the 2nd bullet added.
Would be a nice feature to be able to shuffle target order in the range card. Say you have input 6 target distances near to far but find out there is a 7th that's the nearest. How do I get that target dope to the top of the list
Just started to view but already eager and excited to learn!!!😂 One very early request- can you add the 1:3 twist variable?? Im wanting to try ballistics for 8.6 Blk using your 185 gn CX and possibly the 225 gn!!!👍🏽😄
try 45acp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Sageofthe16in 1:3?! 🤣
@@spysweeper 8.6 blkout is 1:3 twist
@@johnmorgan2099 yep! I was making my profile on the 4DOF app but the twist rate doesn’t go past 1:4 this is why I’m hoping they open up the twist rate range for calculations! 👍🏽
@spysweeper I just watched Hornaday Podcast on The 4dof system What do you think about it
You should add E-dope card output to the range card screen, you also need a least 2 wind speed values visible at once to make it more suitable for competition.
Great info thank you
Glad it was helpful!
A question: The firing azimuth feature on the 4DOF app is not working on my I phone. The compass on my phone works and I have earth based turned on and GPS enabled to determine location. I have seen it work before but, most of the time it does not work. Any ideas on correcting this?
Thank you
If I do a "Tall Target Test" and discover that my scope clicks are not exactly what they are supposed to be, in 4DOF, can I enter a correction factor so that what it tells me matches my scope?
Is there a degree of temperature that you would not need to change temp from day to day or no matter what change it?
Where do i find the temperature sensitivity for hornady factory ammo? I've tried looking everywhere on the Hornady site, but i can't find the data for factory ammo. "Carefully Matched Powder" isn't an option.
How important is sight height and how to measure with a 20 moa rail?
could you add the Barnes Match Burner 105 and 112 6mm bullets to the bullet library?
Would it be possible you could do profile for 22lr, as the distance are reduced.
I love the app, but a few improvements would make it fantastic:
1: be able to shoot a wind azimuth just like you do with the target azimuth
2: a target card in the app that helps with PRS. What I’m thinking is making a target card with all your distances and then being able to shoot an azimuth for each target with its wind azimuth.
They do. They call it a range card. I think it cost me a dollar to access that functionality.
Need to be able to set a zero offset for ELR purposes.
Zero range for 4 dof and Zero angle... where are you measuring from? The end of the muzzle? Center of scope? Center of action?
It'd be nice if the Kestrel app could import your Hornady Rifle Profile.
Will there be a lead calculator for movers?
Is there a way to input a custom drag curve, lapua had published there own drag curves, applied ballistics does custom drag curves, steylok has the ability to enter custom curve.
So far my only complaint is IF your bullet isn't in the list, you can't just ,either input your own BC, weight, diameter, length, OR pull info from the regular hornady bullets. I know it wouldn't have the "475 points of data" but it would have something....
Hello and a bit late to the party, I love these ballistic episodes of the podcast. I also very much appreciate the reach out to get more input from users.
At the same time, there's no easy way to give that input. I would love a way to directly report errors and come with suggestions/wishes directly in the app.
The users are tied to an email and that would make it easy for you to reconnect via email.
I sent one error report in the other day, and had to go through the general contact form on the Hornady page, and error report for the app (or any app related questions) were not options for contact.
As a user who would love to participate and give active feedback, it would make things so much easier if I could send a ticket through the app.
4DOF keeps freezing when I click favorites. It works if I go through the menu, but not the"picture" of favorites.
When using zero angle, after you shoot your group, Where do you tell 4dof you moved the impacts to the aiming point at the distance you’re zeroing at?
If I'm following, you don't. Give us a call at 800-338-3220 or shoot an email to tech@hornady.com
Great vid. Thanks. So I have built multiple range cards and huds and when I sign out and then sign back in they are gone. In fact I am asked to restore purchase. What am I doing wrong? Ps. If I don’t sign out, they remain. I have tried multiple devices and have the same issue.
Give us a call at 800-338-3220 and we should be able to get you squared up.
What do those gyro numbers tell us in regards to stability? At what point would it tell us that a projectile is probably unstable?
Anything under 1.0 would be unstable
I’m just wondering if I missed it in a different pod cast. But my. Rifles have. 20 moa. Bases. Does that have any effect on. The effects of the data solution. ?
That won't have any effect at all.
Hi I did not see the Hornady 6.5 PRC 143GR ELD-X in the 4DOF? but did find it in the BC Calculator. Why isn't in the 4DOF?
The bullet itself is in 4DOF. The calculator doesn't need to know that it's coming from a 6.5 PRC.
With the 300PRC Eld-x being y'all's baby, what have you measured as the temperature sensitivity for it? or at least what powder is it loaded with?
In factory ammo the propellant can and does vary so it won’t be the same everytime. For handloads it will depend on your load
@@taylorbokshowan5713 ^^ Confirmed by "the boys" over email, thank you!
Can dog be used in mils enstead of moa ???
Suggestion, on all measurements/distance inputs, allow the user to change the unit used (in place). ie zero range... allow user to enter distance and in place specify unit used, applicable to "Set Rifle Info" and then values on "Zero Range/Find Zero Range"
Maybe on the HUD, where sowing values environment: Altitude... show which unit it is in, easy to not realise it might be feet and not meters or vice versa. ie a altitude of 100feet and 100meter's is actually close, but a very significant difference.
You do reflect this for wind in the slider just about the bullet... and you show this for distance as you show yards.
sorry, as i'm watching... coming up with "suggestions", where you show values being pulled in from kestrel, show the units being pulled in/reflected.
Good video. Only thing is my trajectory results chart is always blank. Anyone have tips how to fix that?
Give us a call at 800-338-3220 or shoot an email to tech@hornady.com
Why do you guys chuckle at coriolis :)
joe rogan? no thanks, Hornady podcast for me! Thanks guys!
for sight height.... where do you measure if your base has a 20 moa offset?
Ideally where the turrets are making adjustments. That not always easy to do, so get as close as you can.
@@hornady appreciate the reply💪
You should figure out a way to log into the app without cell service. My range is out in bfe with no cell service and if I don’t log into the app right before I lose service I can’t get into my profile when I get to the range.
Try turning your phone to airplane mode
@@hornady that lets you use the app but it won’t load my saved data. It logs me in as a guest basically
Can I collect environmentals off a 5700 elite with AB software via Bluetooth?
You bet
Is the distance input LOS or HCD?
It’s important to input only true line of sight ranges and then adjust the shooting angle separately.
😇🙏🏼
guys, can't find Vihtavuori N565 in the powder library ?
Unfortunately we don’t have all the powders. That’s one you would need to input your own findings for now
@@hornady :( how/where would we get the temp adjust values for VV N565... they don't seem to list it either.
Does it work without network connection
Yes it does!
I used 4DOF almost exclusively until 2020. Then it just stopped working - I could not make it work on any iPhone or iPad. The app went to the start screen, then crashed.
I saw your podcast and thought - "maybe they fixed the bug?". Well, it's still there. New iPhone, same old problem - crashes after it starts.
Just an FYI, the 4DOF ballistic calculator on your website is broken. It doesn’t correct pressure for altitude and doesn’t take earth based affects into account even though it says it is. I plugged in all the data to match my 4DOF app and downloaded the range card data from your web calculator. When comparing the data from web calc to actual app, your website is way off. Downloading excel files of range card dope from your web calc was all wrong. I’ll stick to the app.
Ok, I have a complaint. I purchased the load data for 308 Win and 6.5 Creedmoor, but there's a huge problem if internet is not available and the app closes if it can't connect to your Hornady server (so it seems). This means I can't get the data unless I am within cell/wifi coverage. This is typically not a problem as I typically reload at home and have ammo when I go our hunting, just an annoyance.
I notice for instance on 308 Win that Hornady groups the bullets by size, so in the case of Hornady CX, which I need to use copper for hunting, it gives me a range of 176-180 grains. I'm reloading 180 grain CX. If you have bullets between 176-180 grains they will not perform the same. I have some 178 grain ELD-X which I plan to use for target practice as we can't use lead for game here in California. The 178 grain ELD-X will shoot different than the 180 grain CX. I will load and watch for pressure signs on the primer/pocket, but it seems it would be more helpful to have those bullets with different load data, just a thought.
With that said, if I purchase the entire 11th edition will I have all the reloading data for all cartridges so it doesn't need to access over the Internet? That would be more useful, but ultimately I guess I need to order the hard copy book, it seems the electronic versions of riddled with differences as I describe. At least with hard copy there is no question, if the data is in the book it's there, and if it's not one needs to work up the load themselves. Unfortunate for me, I don't have a chronograph, but I don't know actual velocity.
I have the same problem with the 4dof app. not opening if no internet. Sucks to get to the field go to pull up a solution and it wont even open.
@@IronCamel6.6 I write software for a living, been doing it for 40 years, and IMO that is a #fail Whoever designed this software to require the Internet even if the data is local had their head on backwards...just saying...I would have expected better from Hornady, but still...I like their bullets.
I’m suspect that when you use higher angles and wind you get results they are pretty far off, who can I talk with about this ?
I have been trying to follow along with Jayden during setup but I seem to be having trouble with the app. I am not seeing the same settings in the 4DOF setup. Could this be my phone or the app? I have tried to update it but I seem to have the most recent version for Android. Version 2023.0629.327
Give us a call at 800-338-3220 if you have some time.
Unstable app.
Keeps crashing.
Cant edit the environmental data, the wind digits keep flickering. In fact the only thing i can adjust is the wind diection, and this takes 5-10s to calc, but then app crashes
Wish it worked, as it looks like it could be really useful
Shoot us an email at tech@hornady.com We'd love to look in to this with you.
Android here, I also don't have the top RED banner on my 4dof. No way to get HUD or Range Card
How do we submit suggestions for the App?
Shoot us an email at podcast@hornady.com
Constructive Feedback #2:
You refer to specific things in vaguely different ways in different parts of the app and with strangely imprecise language:
You call saved rifle profiles “favourites” then in the description of favourites you refer to it as a “build out” Then in the HUD you have an “edit rifle info” button that takes you to the “set rifle info” page to input info related to both the rifle and the ammo which apparently is one of your “favourite build outs”. 🤪
So… let me get this straight… all of my saved rifle profiles are favourites?… I think not…
I have rifle profiles that are real ones that I use in the field, some that are hypothetical, some that are temporary etc. They most certainly are not all favourites.
I know I’m being nit-picky about semantics… but a good GUI relies on referring to specific things with consistent, precise, intuitive and meaningful nomenclature and symbology.
Recommendation:
1) Change “Favorites” to “Saved Rifle Profiles”
2) In the saved rifle profiles list make allowance for creating multiple lists that the user can name themselves… then the user can sort different profiles how they see fit. Which might include actual favourites if they are so inclined.
I’d like the app to stop crashing.
This is a new development. It was working great for years. Now it won’t load the chart/grid for my rifles that use zero angle. Not 100% sure that is the driver but it is the only common feature I’ve found.
PLEASE FIX THIS! 😼
what if your twist rate is 9,5?
Enter 9.5 not 9,5 - in the US we use a "." as a decimal marker, not the ","
The app has some bugs. Right during hunting season, and it’s been in need of an update for a few weeks.