I came back after finishing A;C. What a fantastic explanation of that game's main system. You also answered my second question, which was about the Sena route in Chaos;Head NoAH. This series really just gets better the more i experience. Wow. Amazing video!
I remember being very confused after watching the movie, ive seen steins gate only , so i didn't gave the context, but now i get it, really nice video , maybe ill give a shot to the other content in the series
Great video! I have always loved the movie so it didn't matter to me if it was considered canon or not, it always has been to me. But your explanation and vindication is absolutely on point and hopefully puts more respect on the movie's name so thank you!
I had to go back a couple seconds at 12:10 because I had to double take if I heard "As Maho puts it.." instead of "As the novel puts it..." mahophrenia
Hey, just found your video. A really good analysis. For someone like me, who doesn't know the other series from the SciADV Series it is really providing new informations which help to understand some things better. I just love Steins;Gate. It's my all time favourite. Thank you. Can I ask you a question?
Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad this video helped. I'd definitely highly recommend the rest of the series if Steins;Gate is your all-time favourite. No point in only going through just the second part of a storyline after all. And feel free to ask your question!
Yeah... this video is why I want to believe that steins;gate ended in chapter 23 with kurisu hinting that she remembers some things from the alpha world line and both okabe and her can be together even after changing world lines, kinda like the ova
I am writting this before watching the whole video. The first time i watched S;G i did it the chronological way finishing it with the movie, and i had some idea that the movie was not exactly considered canon by people, BUT i loved it so much that i was like.... i dont care what people really think this is canon! lately i have seen that the community mostly says that the movie is canon and that made me really happy!
SciADV is one of my favourite series of all time. And to be honest, Steins;Gate is only my 5th favourite main entry in the series. The rest of the series is incredible! So I would absolutely recommend playing through it! I made another video serving as a beginner's guide to it if that interests you! With the exception of Occultic;Nine, avoid the anime and manga adaptations though. They're horrendously rushed.
If you're talking about the world layers section, then the background music is "The World Layers -First Theme-". If you're talking about the last 20 seconds or so, it's "End Theme". Both tracks are from Anonymous;Code - the former is its main OST.
Yes absolutely! The movie released 2.5 years before the S;G 0 VN did. And the movie came out roughly around the same time as the Epigraph trilogy, which was the biggest piece of source material for the S;G 0 VN.
i was wondering why some people doesn't agree of it being canon, but in steins gate, when okabe Is trying to undo their d-mails, in the last one(if i remember it correctly) kurisu kissed okabe and i think the conversation went to a question if it was his first time then he answered it's not and in that movie kurisu time travelled to the past to save him and there she kissed him (now that i think about it okabe was minor that time) which means the first kiss is from kurisu, the movie and the series are connected. Can someone answer this If kurisu went back to the past and told him the story of hououin kyouma then where did it originally come from if im right they triggered bootstrap paradox right?
It's the same as Mayuri's song from S;G 0. The loop begins when some time travel info gets to the past/future and remains as an established event, even after the cause of the time travel dissapears.
I have a question about the Steins;Gate movie. I haven't read Robotics;notes or chaos;head or any of these VNs yet, however, I have read in severals comments from this movie that according to Robotics;Notes, the Steins;Gate timeline is a special timeline that has never been explored before and therefore its future is being created day by day, so Suzuha couldn't have come from the future with a time machine because in the Steins;Gate timeline there was no such future yet. How could you explain this contradiction to me? Because if it's an unexplored timelane, it might be impossible to have a future, right?
That's not how it works. First off, Robotics;Notes does nothing to imply anything of that nature. It doesn't even concern itself with the concept of world lines or time travel. Besides being a story that takes place in 2019 on the Steins Gate world line, it has little to do with world line mechanics. Secondly, the idea that it creates the future "day by day" contradicts the very definition of a world line, especially when considering the wider series. A world line is a simulated possible world. And the Steins Gate world line works the same as any other world line. Everything on it - from the past to the future - is pre-determined. It's simply just a world line that lies between the alpha and beta attractor fields and does not fall under many of their convergences. Its future may be unknown to Okabe but to an observer on a higher world layer, it is known. The Steins Gate world line is functionally just the same as any other world line. Thirdly, we've seen as far into the future of the Steins Gate world line as 2038. In-story Earth simulators have also shown even further past that. The vast majority of SciADV takes place on the Steins Gate world line in some world layer anyways. And there's a crazy high number of Steins Gate world lines within the world layer structure to begin with.
@@bassman.sharingan12341 Thank you so much for explaining it to me :D. As I said i have not read any VN and that's what I saw in a few comments; for that I needed to contrast that information with you. I'll read and play everything to fully understand the SciADV universe. I have seen you in several Reddit's Posts and I have to say that you really help a lot of people with the research you have carried out and it is something to be grateful for. Greetings, dude :D
Kind of an unsatisfying conclusion as to why something is canon. Stories that mess with time, simulation topics have this disease, well, i should've expected it lol. Nonetheless every side content in steins;gate is satisfying aslong as okabe and kurisu are there.
If they made a poor job of directing characters, dialogues etc. because of bad staff choice. People mostly consider its not canon which is fair. Adding infinite simulations doesn't fix chaos head and chaos child anime adaptations or other poorly written steins gate mangas. Even if we only care about mechanics of the universe its still debatable, like different word layers, different canon? I don't even think every writer worked on sciadv is in the same page of this debate, so there is no point telling someone this is 100% canon or not. But I get your point about the movie. In the past, some thought it wasnt canon just because of plot holes, but now its more about the overall quality of the product, at least for me. And im not saying i don't like it so its not canon, its just not the characters we watched in the show. I personally think the movie is more canon to visual novel and not the anime version.
I actually disagree. R is a worldline. The key distinction between the movie and the show is the character perspective. In SG we see the world through Okabe's eyes, who has reading steiner. But in the movie, we see through Kurisu's eyes, who doesnt have reading steiner. So when the worldline changes, it appears as if Okabe goes away but in reality we're not seeing the worldline shift because Kurisu doesnt have reading steiner.
So essentially R is a worldline without Okabe and SG is one with him. So having it shift from R to SG the observer can't tell the worldline shifts at all because the only difference between R and SG is Okabe.
this is also supported by how at the end of the movie, Okabe experiences the same thing he did in Ep 1, where the streets are empty and then fill with people. the worldline changes because Kurisu changes the past so in the last moments we switch back to Okabe's perspective and see the worldline changing
@@The_Triple_Point First off, pages 281-282 of volume 2 of the movie's novelization explicitly state the R world line isn't actually a world line. And A Posteriori Existence further clarifies this, with Kurisu describing how Okabe's disappearance isn't because he moved to a different world line, but rather because of something else entirely that she's too stumped to figure out. The "R World Line" is just her tentative hypothesis. With the context of the rest of SciADV (particularly Chaos;Head NoAH, Occultic;Nine, and Anonymous;Code) and even other Steins;Gate side material like Variant Space Octet (and Linear Bounded Phenogram which I didn't bring up in the video), you understand that what Kurisu calls the "R World Line" is actually a completely different but extremely important series-wide phenomenon. Secondly, while Kurisu is largely the protagonist, the movie's novelization isn't exclusively told through any one character's perspective the way the original Steins;Gate VN is. The "R world line" section is actually told in third person omniscient POV. In fact, even the Steins;Gate anime adaptation abandons the "solitary observer" viewpoint so there are many scenes not from Okabe's POV in it. For the sub-series as a whole, there's a couple lines from Variant Space Octet that hint as to who the true observer of Steins;Gate actually is. Indeed, whose eyes are those eyes? Thirdly, people don't suddenly fill up the streets when Okabe's Reading Steiner activates at the beginning of the VN. He just sees an empty Akihabara because there's literally nobody there (besides Mayuri who's walking a bit behind Okabe) since police closed the area around the Radio Kaikan building off due to the time machine crashing. And fourthly, everybody has Reading Steiner - Kurisu included. In fact, even Amadeus Kurisu has Reading Steiner for reasons *extremely* obvious after Anonymous;Code. There's just a difference in the strength of peoples' Reading Steiners. And it's precisely because Okabe's Reading Steiner is so strong that he crosses the paradox threshold and gets forced out of existence.
@@The_Triple_Point • First point: As Bassman said for what I TLed from the novelization of the movie, it’s explicitly stated that the R World Line is a world line **only in name**. • Second point: you’re saying that the R World Line is the one without Okabe, and the SGWL the one with him, but even if we state that the R World Line is a world line, you’re wrong since it’s the contrary (but I thing you meant the contrary). • Third point: in the ending scene of the movie, we’re barely following Okabe’s view of the world (but from a 3rd person view), which then gradually changes to what the world actually is. • Last point: idk how it was translated in the official subs of the movie in English but, in japanese Kurisu says "I didn’t come to you. You’re the one who’s trying to come back! From this **world**, to the Steins Gate world line." • Very last point: what Bassman said.
The fact that the writer makes it so consistent across different media is mind blowing🤯🤯🤯.
I'm pretty sure the franchise has multiple authors
@shoehunter3928 they're all under one person tho.
Now I hope no one will ask another time about it huh
I came back after finishing A;C.
What a fantastic explanation of that game's main system.
You also answered my second question, which was about the Sena route in Chaos;Head NoAH.
This series really just gets better the more i experience. Wow.
Amazing video!
I remember being very confused after watching the movie, ive seen steins gate only , so i didn't gave the context, but now i get it, really nice video , maybe ill give a shot to the other content in the series
Really good vid. Had this in my 'watch later' playlist for a bit. I remember watching the movie about 2 years ago after finishing the VN
Thank you, Grayest!
Great video!
I have always loved the movie so it didn't matter to me if it was considered canon or not, it always has been to me.
But your explanation and vindication is absolutely on point and hopefully puts more respect on the movie's name so thank you!
The Bossman is back!?!
Yesssirrrr
I had to go back a couple seconds at 12:10 because I had to double take if I heard "As Maho puts it.." instead of "As the novel puts it..."
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Nice explanation
Hey, just found your video. A really good analysis. For someone like me, who doesn't know the other series from the SciADV Series it is really providing new informations which help to understand some things better.
I just love Steins;Gate. It's my all time favourite.
Thank you.
Can I ask you a question?
Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad this video helped. I'd definitely highly recommend the rest of the series if Steins;Gate is your all-time favourite. No point in only going through just the second part of a storyline after all.
And feel free to ask your question!
Ótimo vídeo, obrigado pelas informações.
Yeah... this video is why I want to believe that steins;gate ended in chapter 23 with kurisu hinting that she remembers some things from the alpha world line and both okabe and her can be together even after changing world lines, kinda like the ova
Excellent job Basedman 👍
Thank youuuu!!!!
I am writting this before watching the whole video. The first time i watched S;G i did it the chronological way finishing it with the movie, and i had some idea that the movie was not exactly considered canon by people, BUT i loved it so much that i was like.... i dont care what people really think this is canon! lately i have seen that the community mostly says that the movie is canon and that made me really happy!
I've watched and played all of steins gate, do you think SciAdv is worth getting into (heard it's not that good) and what about manga and light novel?
SciADV is one of my favourite series of all time. And to be honest, Steins;Gate is only my 5th favourite main entry in the series. The rest of the series is incredible! So I would absolutely recommend playing through it! I made another video serving as a beginner's guide to it if that interests you! With the exception of Occultic;Nine, avoid the anime and manga adaptations though. They're horrendously rushed.
Underrated analysis
Nice video tho
What is the final segment song? It rocks
If you're talking about the world layers section, then the background music is "The World Layers -First Theme-". If you're talking about the last 20 seconds or so, it's "End Theme". Both tracks are from Anonymous;Code - the former is its main OST.
Amazing video, your presentation is solid!
Ima just send this every time I see the stupid debate, lmao
Thank you!!!
Neat. Interesting thoughts.
can i watch the movie without watching sg0
Yes absolutely! The movie released 2.5 years before the S;G 0 VN did. And the movie came out roughly around the same time as the Epigraph trilogy, which was the biggest piece of source material for the S;G 0 VN.
i was wondering why some people doesn't agree of it being canon, but in steins gate, when okabe Is trying to undo their d-mails, in the last one(if i remember it correctly) kurisu kissed okabe and i think the conversation went to a question if it was his first time then he answered it's not and in that movie kurisu time travelled to the past to save him and there she kissed him (now that i think about it okabe was minor that time) which means the first kiss is from kurisu, the movie and the series are connected.
Can someone answer this
If kurisu went back to the past and told him the story of hououin kyouma then where did it originally come from if im right they triggered bootstrap paradox right?
It's the same as Mayuri's song from S;G 0. The loop begins when some time travel info gets to the past/future and remains as an established event, even after the cause of the time travel dissapears.
nice video
Basedman
I have a question about the Steins;Gate movie.
I haven't read Robotics;notes or chaos;head or any of these VNs yet, however, I have read in severals comments from this movie that according to Robotics;Notes, the Steins;Gate timeline is a special timeline that has never been explored before and therefore its future is being created day by day, so Suzuha couldn't have come from the future with a time machine because in the Steins;Gate timeline there was no such future yet.
How could you explain this contradiction to me? Because if it's an unexplored timelane, it might be impossible to have a future, right?
That's not how it works. First off, Robotics;Notes does nothing to imply anything of that nature. It doesn't even concern itself with the concept of world lines or time travel. Besides being a story that takes place in 2019 on the Steins Gate world line, it has little to do with world line mechanics.
Secondly, the idea that it creates the future "day by day" contradicts the very definition of a world line, especially when considering the wider series. A world line is a simulated possible world. And the Steins Gate world line works the same as any other world line. Everything on it - from the past to the future - is pre-determined. It's simply just a world line that lies between the alpha and beta attractor fields and does not fall under many of their convergences. Its future may be unknown to Okabe but to an observer on a higher world layer, it is known. The Steins Gate world line is functionally just the same as any other world line.
Thirdly, we've seen as far into the future of the Steins Gate world line as 2038. In-story Earth simulators have also shown even further past that. The vast majority of SciADV takes place on the Steins Gate world line in some world layer anyways. And there's a crazy high number of Steins Gate world lines within the world layer structure to begin with.
@@bassman.sharingan12341 Thank you so much for explaining it to me :D. As I said i have not read any VN and that's what I saw in a few comments; for that I needed to contrast that information with you. I'll read and play everything to fully understand the SciADV universe.
I have seen you in several Reddit's Posts and I have to say that you really help a lot of people with the research you have carried out and it is something to be grateful for.
Greetings, dude :D
So much water...
Okay, can we UnLoad the movie now?
Very cool and epic
Thank you!
Kind of an unsatisfying conclusion as to why something is canon. Stories that mess with time, simulation topics have this disease, well, i should've expected it lol. Nonetheless every side content in steins;gate is satisfying aslong as okabe and kurisu are there.
This is so Moe!
If they made a poor job of directing characters, dialogues etc. because of bad staff choice. People mostly consider its not canon which is fair. Adding infinite simulations doesn't fix chaos head and chaos child anime adaptations or other poorly written steins gate mangas. Even if we only care about mechanics of the universe its still debatable, like different word layers, different canon? I don't even think every writer worked on sciadv is in the same page of this debate, so there is no point telling someone this is 100% canon or not.
But I get your point about the movie. In the past, some thought it wasnt canon just because of plot holes, but now its more about the overall quality of the product, at least for me. And im not saying i don't like it so its not canon, its just not the characters we watched in the show. I personally think the movie is more canon to visual novel and not the anime version.
You would definitely be surprised that it works lel
But is the us movie cannon?
Yes, it just takes place in the anime world layer. Everything is canon.
@@revelosity4924 was a joke was a joke I swear
I actually disagree. R is a worldline. The key distinction between the movie and the show is the character perspective. In SG we see the world through Okabe's eyes, who has reading steiner. But in the movie, we see through Kurisu's eyes, who doesnt have reading steiner. So when the worldline changes, it appears as if Okabe goes away
but in reality we're not seeing the worldline shift because Kurisu doesnt have reading steiner.
So essentially R is a worldline without Okabe and SG is one with him. So having it shift from R to SG the observer can't tell the worldline shifts at all because the only difference between R and SG is Okabe.
this is also supported by how at the end of the movie, Okabe experiences the same thing he did in Ep 1, where the streets are empty and then fill with people.
the worldline changes because Kurisu changes the past
so in the last moments we switch back to Okabe's perspective and see the worldline changing
@@The_Triple_Point First off, pages 281-282 of volume 2 of the movie's novelization explicitly state the R world line isn't actually a world line. And A Posteriori Existence further clarifies this, with Kurisu describing how Okabe's disappearance isn't because he moved to a different world line, but rather because of something else entirely that she's too stumped to figure out. The "R World Line" is just her tentative hypothesis. With the context of the rest of SciADV (particularly Chaos;Head NoAH, Occultic;Nine, and Anonymous;Code) and even other Steins;Gate side material like Variant Space Octet (and Linear Bounded Phenogram which I didn't bring up in the video), you understand that what Kurisu calls the "R World Line" is actually a completely different but extremely important series-wide phenomenon.
Secondly, while Kurisu is largely the protagonist, the movie's novelization isn't exclusively told through any one character's perspective the way the original Steins;Gate VN is. The "R world line" section is actually told in third person omniscient POV. In fact, even the Steins;Gate anime adaptation abandons the "solitary observer" viewpoint so there are many scenes not from Okabe's POV in it. For the sub-series as a whole, there's a couple lines from Variant Space Octet that hint as to who the true observer of Steins;Gate actually is. Indeed, whose eyes are those eyes?
Thirdly, people don't suddenly fill up the streets when Okabe's Reading Steiner activates at the beginning of the VN. He just sees an empty Akihabara because there's literally nobody there (besides Mayuri who's walking a bit behind Okabe) since police closed the area around the Radio Kaikan building off due to the time machine crashing.
And fourthly, everybody has Reading Steiner - Kurisu included. In fact, even Amadeus Kurisu has Reading Steiner for reasons *extremely* obvious after Anonymous;Code. There's just a difference in the strength of peoples' Reading Steiners. And it's precisely because Okabe's Reading Steiner is so strong that he crosses the paradox threshold and gets forced out of existence.
@@The_Triple_Point
• First point: As Bassman said for what I TLed from the novelization of the movie, it’s explicitly stated that the R World Line is a world line **only in name**.
• Second point: you’re saying that the R World Line is the one without Okabe, and the SGWL the one with him, but even if we state that the R World Line is a world line, you’re wrong since it’s the contrary (but I thing you meant the contrary).
• Third point: in the ending scene of the movie, we’re barely following Okabe’s view of the world (but from a 3rd person view), which then gradually changes to what the world actually is.
• Last point: idk how it was translated in the official subs of the movie in English but, in japanese Kurisu says "I didn’t come to you. You’re the one who’s trying to come back! From this **world**, to the Steins Gate world line."
• Very last point: what Bassman said.
@@bassman.sharingan12341 Interesting points. I really appreciate your responses.
Underrated analysis
Underrated analysis