Is that the same Ireland that voted for 'no further EU integration and were told to vote again until they got the 'correct result'?, is part of the Euro Central Bank and gave up the Irish pound for the Euro, I think you need to understand the meaning of 'sovereignty'.
The Irish out maneuvered the British at every turn during those negotiations. They made sure the border issue would be front and center before any talk of a trade deal was even mentioned. They were not going to allow the British to establish a hard border on the Island of Ireland and disrupt the lives of tens of thousands of people on both sides of the border just to suit themselves. The England attitude has always been one of self interest and everyone else can piss off. Johnson threatened to leave the EU on WTO rules if he didn't get the concessions he wanted, but the EU were prepared for that and called his bluff. He ended up signing the dotted line at the last minute and then claimed later that he hadn't read the agreement and would never have agreed to a Sea Border with Northern Ireland. It was just another lie exposing him for the man he was, a liar.
As Soon as Cameron said he would call a referendum, the Irish government set up a committee to see ALL the pitfalls of Brexit. The day of the result, the Irish government were in Brussels with their wish list. The Comission and every member of the Union minus UK knew Irelands position. As 1 PM said, I do not fully understand the backstop or the Belfast or Good Friday Agreement, but I DO KNOW, what Ireland wants Ireland will get. , of that, I am certain. THE British went into the negotiations like lambs to the slaughter .
It was funny, although sad to see the start of the negotiations: the EU delegates came in looking serious and with piles of files, the UK delegation looked like deer in headlights with not a single sheet of paper in front of them. They seemed totally unaware of the implications for the Good Friday Agreement, Scotland, Gibraltar, and were talking about the colour of passport and a pint logo..
true, the uk wanted to do everything in secret but got slapped by the EU on that one. They foresaw the spin the Uk would give to anything if it was not dealt with in the open.
I'm proud to have had such statesmen and women carrying themselves with class on behalf of the EU. The other side of the table was a procession of incompetent clowns and tantrum throwing complainers.
Johnson was rebuffed when he began his tour of EU capitals, trying to create bilateral wedges. The EU negotiated as one, and supported the Member State most affected by the British position.
19:20 "The British [delegation] want to take back control of their sovereignty and borders" The UK never lost control of its sovereignty and borders: it never entered the Schengen agreement, and the fact it could just leave the EU without asking for any permission, proves that it always had sovereignty. So what was the point of Brexit, again?
The point of Brexit was deregulating the financial sector. Despite the government's assertions of wanting to improve economic competitiveness through Brexit, their real aim was to enhance competitiveness and regulatory efficiency in the financial sector. They chose to ignore the fact that post-Brexit deregulation in the financial sector, alongside a fragile economy lacking decades of public investment, would lead to the disastrous consequences Brexit Britain is facing right now.
Add to that de-regulation in every other sector (environment, rule of law, energy, agriculture, industrial standards, etc). Singapore on Thames? It’s now all out for short-term profit.
I'm afraid the main ingredient of brexit was and still is - pure xenophobia. Add a substantial amount of the long-standing tradition of blaming the EU for the failure of their own national policies and put on top just a grain of arrogance in believing that "they need us more than we need them". There you have your tasty cake. Which you can't have and eat at the same time, unfortunately. Don't get me wrong, you're most likely right in mentioning the financial sector. I'm just a bit doubtful whether this had the most influence on the average voter's decision.
It wasn't an Ireland problem, it was a British Brexit problem in Ireland, and one of their own making. The vast majority of people on the Island of Ireland were very happy with the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, all except the DUP and their hardliners who voted for Brexit. It was a simple case of the tail wagging the dog and Theresa May was the root of that problem. She went to the country expecting an easy victory in the election but it didn't work out that way ergo she needed the support of the DUP to stay in office. They would now dictate proceeding going forward, at least for the time being.
And who were permitted to vote. Many UK migrants in the EU (along with EU migrants in the UK) were deliberately excluded, about 5 million in all. We then had to sort out the mess.
@@Be-Es---___ That doesn't change the fact that the majority pays for the decision of a delusional minority. It demonstrated that the tories are to stupid to hold a representative referendum and as it turns out a very expensive stupidity.
Greece created that disaster itself. Arguably it should not have been allowed to join the euro, so it could continue defaulting on its debts (which would continue to destroy confidence in Greek investment and Greek government), but that was not something foisted on the Greek government. And Greece did get past its crisis. Hopefully it learned its lesson this time.
Greece even got Goldman Sachs to help them cook the books to get into the Euro. Goldmine Sachs should have been stripped of its banking licence in EUrope for doing that.
The Irish border problem was everybody's problem: Who signed the Belfast Agreement? The UK, NI and Ireland with the support of the EU and a supporting commitment of the USA. True many countries (UK, EU) did not identify early enough this problem as crucial (Center stage) but this is not a good enough reason to brush it under the carpet. Fact is Brexiters did not identify more than 50% of real important problems and behaved like tourists with a taste for gambling (Russian roulette). It is plain to see that M Barnier has worked hard on the dossiers and D Davis, D.Raab etc did NOT (and probably received contradictory instructions). M Barnier not only managed brilliantly the negociation but also got all 27 EU states on-board while the UK could not have NI, Scotland, Wales and England on the same page.
You had to love the deltas between the clarity and pragmatism of one side versus the puerile wishful thinking of the other. :D *EU: The resumption of a hard border on Ireland will be prevented by customs checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom.* _UK: The resumption of a hard border on Ireland will be prevented by invisible robot unicorns who will use their magic horns to ensure nothing evil is in any box in any boat or truck! They're already being used between Sweden and Norway! Aren't they?_
What's done is done. Keep looking back and you get a sore neck. Rejoining is out of the question in the medium term, so the UK will have to make it work. The EU will be fine, the UK has it all to do.
can i correct the commentary? It was not 52% of the British that voted for Brexit, it was 38%. Many Brits (27%) did not vote because the correct thing to do was not knowable. 52/48 was % OF THOSE WHO VOTED. The honest people were those that did not vote because Brexit was not defined or even negotiated. A leap into the unknown.
@@vullings1968 it was stupid in the first place to ask the population at large to make such a decision when there were no controls over who could say what. The airwaves and especially social media apps were awash with false claims. It wasn't just the side of that bus.
Don't forget that many of us who had moved to the EU under freedom of movement, and therefore actually understood what was at stake, were deliberately excluded.
@@Korschtal You were an EU citizen but were not allowed to vote in a referendum that could remove your EU citizenship. THAT snacks of total unfairness and Britain denying democratic rights to its citizens
@@hauskalainen I was (am) a UK citizen living in Europe with a family under EU FOM rights. Many of us, and EU citizens living in the UK, were barred from voting. The UK gov went to court to exclude us, on the basis that it was an "advisory referendum" so it "would not make any difference". At the same time, Commonwealth citizens living in the UK were allowed to vote, despite it making no difference to their visa situation.
@@Ganymede559I don't think EU is bigger than India and Pakistan. But I do think the UK-EU divorce is far more complex than the India-Pakistan one, although less violent. As UK was also part of 750 treaties as EU-member. The Northern Irish Good Friday agreement being a major one.
@@vullings1968 The Tory governents really thought everything would go on basically as before just UK not being in the union and not paying into the common budget. "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" David Davis “The free trade agreement we will have to do should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox “The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove “There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market” Boris Johnson “Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit.” Lord Digby Jones "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards" John Redwood ”We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks in the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that.” Chris Grayling “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.” Daniel Hannan “Britain will have access to the single market after we vote Leave.” “The idea that our trade will suffer... is silly.” “Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.” “we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.” Vote Leave Has there ever been more blue eyed politicians than these? One would have assumed that there were some UK people who had worked inside EU that would have debunked all this bs.
@@leviathon2= This YT channel is effectively registered in France, but it may well be run by British expatriates... I have a grudge against YT for allowing channel creators to leave their nationality in the dark. But of course, being of one nationality or another is not the major issue: the pertinence of facts mentioned & arguments proferred is!
The north EU country's where paying the life standard of the south EU country's and that couldn't go on. There could never be a hard border between NI and the IRL because of the good fryday agreement.
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That’s how you understand that Ireland sovereignty is actually amplified by being part of EU… and that is true of all member states.
Long live EU
Ireland is a vassal. Ergo, they don't have sovereignty, as european countries pooled it to form the EU.
Is that the same Ireland that voted for 'no further EU integration and were told to vote again until they got the 'correct result'?, is part of the Euro Central Bank and gave up the Irish pound for the Euro, I think you need to understand the meaning of 'sovereignty'.
"Can you whistle us a tune" - it's amazing how well Barnier dealt with that rube's question.
The UK's future is in the balance and that's what they come up with 🤬
The Irish out maneuvered the British at every turn during those negotiations. They made sure the border issue would be front and center before any talk of a trade deal was even mentioned. They were not going to allow the British to establish a hard border on the Island of Ireland and disrupt the lives of tens of thousands of people on both sides of the border just to suit themselves. The England attitude has always been one of self interest and everyone else can piss off. Johnson threatened to leave the EU on WTO rules if he didn't get the concessions he wanted, but the EU were prepared for that and called his bluff. He ended up signing the dotted line at the last minute and then claimed later that he hadn't read the agreement and would never have agreed to a Sea Border with Northern Ireland. It was just another lie exposing him for the man he was, a liar.
As Soon as Cameron said he would call a referendum, the Irish government set up a committee to see ALL the pitfalls of Brexit.
The day of the result, the Irish government were in Brussels with their wish list. The Comission and every member of the Union minus UK knew Irelands position.
As 1 PM said, I do not fully understand the backstop or the Belfast or Good Friday Agreement, but I DO KNOW, what Ireland wants Ireland will get.
, of that, I am certain.
THE British went into the negotiations like lambs to the slaughter .
It was funny, although sad to see the start of the negotiations: the EU delegates came in looking serious and with piles of files, the UK delegation looked like deer in headlights with not a single sheet of paper in front of them. They seemed totally unaware of the implications for the Good Friday Agreement, Scotland, Gibraltar, and were talking about the colour of passport and a pint logo..
@@Human-le9nt
The British went like lambs to slaughter.
Not even the back of a used envelope to write on.
Cope. lol
And Johnson was not trown out for admitting he wrote under a deal without readig it. It show what clown country uk has become.
It shows how open the EU is to allow cameras behind the scenes .
That's bull
@@markmerry1471 we await the recording of the behind the scenes on the UK side , I wont hold my breath .
true, the uk wanted to do everything in secret but got slapped by the EU on that one. They foresaw the spin the Uk would give to anything if it was not dealt with in the open.
@@markmerry1471 Bull? YOU JUST SAW IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, donkey!
@@ab-ym3bf How open has the EU been about cooking their books to make the EU a reality? It wasn't just Greece.
Excellent work !🎉
I'm proud to have had such statesmen and women carrying themselves with class on behalf of the EU. The other side of the table was a procession of incompetent clowns and tantrum throwing complainers.
Johnson was rebuffed when he began his tour of EU capitals, trying to create bilateral wedges.
The EU negotiated as one, and supported the Member State most affected by the British position.
19:20 "The British [delegation] want to take back control of their sovereignty and borders"
The UK never lost control of its sovereignty and borders: it never entered the Schengen agreement, and the fact it could just leave the EU without asking for any permission, proves that it always had sovereignty.
So what was the point of Brexit, again?
The point of Brexit was deregulating the financial sector.
Despite the government's assertions of wanting to improve economic competitiveness through Brexit, their real aim was to enhance competitiveness and regulatory efficiency in the financial sector.
They chose to ignore the fact that post-Brexit deregulation in the financial sector, alongside a fragile economy lacking decades of public investment, would lead to the disastrous consequences Brexit Britain is facing right now.
Add to that de-regulation in every other sector (environment, rule of law, energy, agriculture, industrial standards, etc). Singapore on Thames? It’s now all out for short-term profit.
I'm afraid the main ingredient of brexit was and still is - pure xenophobia. Add a substantial amount of the long-standing tradition of blaming the EU for the failure of their own national policies and put on top just a grain of arrogance in believing that "they need us more than we need them". There you have your tasty cake. Which you can't have and eat at the same time, unfortunately.
Don't get me wrong, you're most likely right in mentioning the financial sector. I'm just a bit doubtful whether this had the most influence on the average voter's decision.
It wasn't an Ireland problem, it was a British Brexit problem in Ireland, and one of their own making. The vast majority of people on the Island of Ireland were very happy with the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, all except the DUP and their hardliners who voted for Brexit. It was a simple case of the tail wagging the dog and Theresa May was the root of that problem. She went to the country expecting an easy victory in the election but it didn't work out that way ergo she needed the support of the DUP to stay in office. They would now dictate proceeding going forward, at least for the time being.
NOT 52% of the Brits - 52% of the Brits, WHO VOTED! 🙄
No vote, no complaint.
And who were permitted to vote. Many UK migrants in the EU (along with EU migrants in the UK) were deliberately excluded, about 5 million in all. We then had to sort out the mess.
@@Be-Es---___ Is it you, who’s complaining?
@@Be-Es---___ That doesn't change the fact that the majority pays for the decision of a delusional minority. It demonstrated that the tories are to stupid to hold a representative referendum and as it turns out a very expensive stupidity.
Greece created that disaster itself. Arguably it should not have been allowed to join the euro, so it could continue defaulting on its debts (which would continue to destroy confidence in Greek investment and Greek government), but that was not something foisted on the Greek government. And Greece did get past its crisis. Hopefully it learned its lesson this time.
Greece even got Goldman Sachs to help them cook the books to get into the Euro. Goldmine Sachs should have been stripped of its banking licence in EUrope for doing that.
16:49 "Brexit means brexit and we're going to make a success of it" LOL 😂
I WISH WE CAN TURN BACK TIME!!! (it was just a BAD DREAM) There's NO BREXIT!!!
FREE MOVEMENT FOR ALL.
There's far more to the EU than a Single Market and free movement.... the British never seemed capable of grasping that.
Just won't be human to miss the British
The Irish border problem was everybody's problem: Who signed the Belfast Agreement? The UK, NI and Ireland with the support of the EU and a supporting commitment of the USA. True many countries (UK, EU) did not identify early enough this problem as crucial (Center stage) but this is not a good enough reason to brush it under the carpet. Fact is Brexiters did not identify more than 50% of real important problems and behaved like tourists with a taste for gambling (Russian roulette). It is plain to see that M Barnier has worked hard on the dossiers and D Davis, D.Raab etc did NOT (and probably received contradictory instructions). M Barnier not only managed brilliantly the negociation but also got all 27 EU states on-board while the UK could not have NI, Scotland, Wales and England on the same page.
You had to love the deltas between the clarity and pragmatism of one side versus the puerile wishful thinking of the other. :D
*EU: The resumption of a hard border on Ireland will be prevented by customs checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom.*
_UK: The resumption of a hard border on Ireland will be prevented by invisible robot unicorns who will use their magic horns to ensure nothing evil is in any box in any boat or truck! They're already being used between Sweden and Norway! Aren't they?_
What's done is done. Keep looking back and you get a sore neck. Rejoining is out of the question in the medium term, so the UK will have to make it work. The EU will be fine, the UK has it all to do.
The UK did more trade with Ireland than it does with the BRIC countries Brazil Russia India China combined.
can i correct the commentary? It was not 52% of the British that voted for Brexit, it was 38%. Many Brits (27%) did not vote because the correct thing to do was not knowable. 52/48 was % OF THOSE WHO VOTED. The honest people were those that did not vote because Brexit was not defined or even negotiated. A leap into the unknown.
I don't know what is worse... Voting for something you don't know, or not bother to vote at all...
@@vullings1968 it was stupid in the first place to ask the population at large to make such a decision when there were no controls over who could say what. The airwaves and especially social media apps were awash with false claims. It wasn't just the side of that bus.
Don't forget that many of us who had moved to the EU under freedom of movement, and therefore actually understood what was at stake, were deliberately excluded.
@@Korschtal You were an EU citizen but were not allowed to vote in a referendum that could remove your EU citizenship. THAT snacks of total unfairness and Britain denying democratic rights to its citizens
@@hauskalainen I was (am) a UK citizen living in Europe with a family under EU FOM rights. Many of us, and EU citizens living in the UK, were barred from voting.
The UK gov went to court to exclude us, on the basis that it was an "advisory referendum" so it "would not make any difference".
At the same time, Commonwealth citizens living in the UK were allowed to vote, despite it making no difference to their visa situation.
I wonder why we left ! It's not what we think I've discovered,🤔
So very English to claim a British divorce is the biggest in history. Such a stupid thing to say.
Seriously try for instance India Pakistan.
How about the dissolution of the Soviet Union? Or the United States Civil War? Though _that_ one didn't quite take.
@@Ganymede559I don't think EU is bigger than India and Pakistan. But I do think the UK-EU divorce is far more complex than the India-Pakistan one, although less violent.
As UK was also part of 750 treaties as EU-member. The Northern Irish Good Friday agreement being a major one.
@@vullings1968 The Tory governents really thought everything would go on basically as before just UK not being in the union and not paying into the common budget.
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" David Davis
“The free trade agreement we will have to do should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox
“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove
“There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market” Boris Johnson
“Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit.” Lord Digby Jones
"Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards" John Redwood
”We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks in the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that.” Chris Grayling
“Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.” Daniel Hannan
“Britain will have access to the single market after we vote Leave.” “The idea that our trade will suffer... is silly.” “Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.” “we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.” Vote Leave
Has there ever been more blue eyed politicians than these? One would have assumed that there were some UK people who had worked inside EU that would have debunked all this bs.
I take your point but I believe this is a French TH-cam channel.
@@leviathon2= This YT channel is effectively registered in France, but it may well be run by British expatriates... I have a grudge against YT for allowing channel creators to leave their nationality in the dark.
But of course, being of one nationality or another is not the major issue: the pertinence of facts mentioned & arguments proferred is!
The north EU country's where paying the life standard of the south EU country's and that couldn't go on. There could never be a hard border between NI and the IRL because of the good fryday agreement.
Hiiii :3
all we learned is a thing like brexit is just a very bad idea
Ask the english farmers how they feel about brexit😂 o m g …. and I thought England was a smart country..