USBTC 10-Ball: Shane Van Boening vs Justin Bergman
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2017
- 2016 US Bar Table Championships
Auguest 22-28, 2016
Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino
Las Vegas, NV
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Am I the only one who mutes these matches because of the commentators?? As much as these commentators know and as good as they seem to be I'm surprised they're not on TV playing
For everyone complaining about racking or shooting delays in pool videos remember that if you're watching this on a computer you can press J to skip 10 seconds back and L to skip 10 seconds forward. K pauses. After clicking on the video twice to pause and then resume you activate the arrow keys for 5 second skips. If viewing on a mobile device you can double tap the left and right side of the screen to skip forward and backwards 10 seconds. Get used to doing this and you can be much more efficient with your time and consume a lot more content.
Thank you very much for that info. I did not know.
There should be a clock. But if there's no clock then he's playing the right way.
@@trple2 that literally has nothing to do with the original comment
@@texastitan6567 You're incorrect, I think.
Shooting delays are covered by my comment and in the original comment.
@@trple2 you’re clearly talking specifically about Bergmans playing pace. The OP was talking about saving time in watching pool videos. The lack of shot clock and Bergman “playing the right way” is distantly connected at bestt
I don't care how many times you gotta point to beat the best player on Earth. I've played Justin a few times, and when he is shooting a casual or low-stakes match, he plays extremely fast. But Yo, he is playing SVB
It's more about the stakes he's playing at. Watch Kevin Chen vs Aranas. Plays the same way.
You guys dont seem to understand anything, please try harder......mute works tho!
It's funny that he is probably the best barbox player in the world right now (Bergman) it's unbelievable how much shit they are talking about him
They love Van Boening. It's a totally biased account.
Did you not hear how much he loved Shane's glove shirt color combo LOL. Definitely Shane fan boys.
More than likely he was probably doin a lot of that pointing to release some nerves and to loosen up his stroke
The way they looks at each other and JB kept looking for a sec...
Absolutely. And it worked. Watch Chen vs. Aranas for 40k. Chen played the exact same way and won.
Bergman wore his Mosconi Cup shirt to psych out SVB. It worked. Look at the shot at 1:08:20 was very "SVB Mosconi Cup" of him.
im surprised its an hour long only
I usually enjoy the commentary but this guy complaining about Bergman's style and repeating condescendingly "I just don't get it..I just don't get it" made watching this less enjoyable. Still, I prefer the commentary, but it seemed at bit ignorant at times.
This is why I like Jeremy Jones. A lot of pool players like to think their way is best. I find a large portion of billiard commentary online to be un-listenable. It's like, some players need to point to help them with position and speed control. Bergman is one of my favorite players. He has more of an improvisational style.
The good commentators do not set there and talk about what they would shoot. And trust me if you're not at the table, things look different than what they are actually at the table. The good ones talk after the shot was taken.
"God Shane's gotta be sick" I love it!!! "Changing of the Guard" Justin "Iceberg"🥶 Bergman. My Man!!!!
Shane made so many mistakes !
btw the shot at 40:27 is wonderful !!!
way to go Justin.
Why is it taking so long to put up the score?????
Yes muzzle the commentators my god
Harley Phillips ya they really are fuk in annoying
These announcers are both cruel and uninformed. Taking your time with a pre-shot routine is highly intelligent. Bergman's thinking through his position, visualizing, and making sure he's loose.
The focus should have been on how well he's playing. What fine position and accuracy.
There should be a shot clock. But if there isn't this is a perfectly good way of playing.
Most players could learn a lot from watching Justin here.
watching Bergman play Pool is like watching Sergio Garcia play golf in the late 90s early 2000s. your a freaking pro. shoot the damn ball. I would rather watch archer pick lint.
Watching Mark Jackson whine on the internet is what I'd rather do.
o8 shooter 9o thank you. I knew I was onto something good.
I'll pay attention to you the moment your fargo rate is higher than 800 and you are top 5 in the country. Until then you can stick a shovel up your ass while screaming "My ignorant opinions are useless."
Do you always automatically form opinions based off what everyone else thinks? Do you have an 800 fargo rate? Do you even understand why he's really doing what he does? Because I understand. He's getting front row seats on his next available shots to get a better picture of what shot he's more comfortable with to get position on the shot after that. But you donkeys don't get it.
Walking around the table, stepping away from the table, visualizing the shot on your next ball to get position on the ball after. It's called respecting the game. Giving it your best shot, your best effort, all you have. Maybe he wasn't in dead stroke in this match and was fighting against not seeing the table that well. We all have days like those, I can tell you one thing though...he wasn't missing balls because of lack of effort or not taking his time. He respects the game and he respects every shot he's dealt with. I bet if you did that and complained less about others doing it you wouldn't be the one sucking and he'd be in your spot.
Bergman is great but I can't stand the way he dances around the table pointing out all of his rolls, not fun to watch at all.
Especially since the shot never turned out the way he wanted it too
You are confused Nooch, he's just testing what the shot feels like and if he doesn't like it he takes a different route. There's literally nothing wrong with the way he plays and it's not boring to watch.
o8 shooter 9o who are you to say what's boring? U must be so smart.
o8 shooter 9o I would completly disagree. I have been playing pool for nearly two decades. Watching a man dance around the pool table like he has no idea what he is doing is substantially boring. These are professional players who know what works and what doesnt. If he genuinely knew what he was doing the only other possible answer was he was adding "drama" to the game. Men like Shane don't need this pointless waste of time and I would rather watch people make quality shots than waste time pretending. I understand feeling shots out, but even you have to admit...doing that on every damn shot makes no sense. The plan for the game is set just a few shots in
I'll take a guy like Bergman who overly respects the game enough to go 110% every shot than someone like you who lacks respect toward the effort of other players.
Shane's the better player no doubt but for the first couple racks they kept hating on Bergman.
Actually he is not lol not on the bar table trust me
Better player that lost lol. How does that work?
LOL, why is everyone yapping about the things Justin does before taking the shot? it's his pre-shot routine. it keeps a player's rhythm going. there's an OCD-like thing going on with some players, and they need to make sure that things have to be done before taking a shot. that's just how it is. if you're a pool fan, you should know that there are a lot of players who does way more annoying things. :)
I see what you are saying with that completely. The only thing with Justin is he played better without doing that so often. Even the announcers made note of that. I would have to agree, it seems more for drama. Especially since most of the shots he made, the outcome never happened as his pointing showed it should.
Justin is a world class player, and no he doesn't play better when he forgets to go through his pre shot routine. You are so confused.
Nooch you're an idiot. Everyone has good and bad days. The fact that he had a bad day doesn't automatically mean it had anything to do with taking his time and looking at all of his available shots to see what lines up better with getting position on the shot after his next ball. You donks are worse than these shitty commentators.
because it's annoying. He checks EVERY angle EVERY time and it takes him forever to make up his mind. He only thinks 2 balls ahead and it's not fun at all to watch. It's like watching an amateur that makes most of his shots.
arpeemac no joke
Half the times he's just looking at the line a d not necessarily the leave. I do it on maybe half my shots. It helps me see the line and focus on where I need to be and not just shooting to the spot. It's almost easier in ways than just looking because I feel where I need to be. A lot of senses comes into play.
What ever happened to the 30 second shot clock?
He’ll, I’d even be happy with a 90 second clock like they have in local tournaments.
Guys like Bergman need to realize that this isn’t correspondence chess. 🤣
Bergman is playing the right way. But there should be a clock. No jump cues. No bridges. 15 seconds.
He does to the get to people like you lol. It's an old tactic.
Wait how come the match started with svb around 770 and Justin being at 750? I'm guessing that was just a typo
get alex lely for comentater . i miss allen hopkins too. these guys trash talked jb all the way to the very end
so glad he won and im a svb fan but was really rooting against the announcers
Agreed. Completely unprofessional and inappropriate.
why on 7 footers it is so easy to play on it, there is no long shots on this table
come on dude!!, it is not that hard to deal with the clusters when the table is small, it is much harder to get the cluster on big table and clusters happens even on 12 footers
Veritas okay since these small tables are so easy then you could beat these guys right ?
no I could not, but as a spectator, I am pretty unconvinced with the show because the table is too easy
Veritas, not a 7ft table, 4 1/2ft by 9ft, looks easy cause they're professionals.
Veritas, not a 7ft table, 4 1/2ft by 9ft, looks easy cause they're professionals.
Holy crap stop whining about his pre shot routine lol. Oh but you love the glove and shirt color combo of Shane LOL. These commentators were definitely Shane fan boys. The funny thing is, as far as I know, Justin does that partly to get under the opponents skin. He doesnt have to do it, but the time it takes annoys people and makes your opponent cool off a bit if they were doing good. Old pool shark tactic. Im sure a part of it is also to really visualize where the cue ball is going. You can tell it would work on these commentators for sure lol. By the way, Justin has some of the best cue ball control out there. So if that is what does it for him, then it must work.
1:08:20 It’s the 7 ball not 6. He missed it cause he loaded up with outside English to hold for the 8 but aimed it like he was shooting center ball. So it threw, but also it threw so much cause slow speed exaggerated the effect. He had to hit it much fuller with that much outside or hit it just like that with no outside. Unbelievable that Shane didn’t realize that- any 550 Fargo and up knows that, 650+ for sure. But also unreal that commentators didn’t notice that.
Interesting match, especially considering Bergman pulled it out. A gift from Shane that Justin took full advantage of in the next to last rack. If Bergman was to learn to quit over analyzing many of his shots, he'll be much more formidable as time goes on. See it, feel it, trust it.
At this level of stakes speeding up doesn't help everyone. Over time, yes, they can start understanding the environment enough to speed up but...ehh...better to take your time if there's no clock.
That's how he plays. He was here playing Shane because he is formidable genius lol. Don't worry about how he plays. It got him here, and further.
These two commentators are really some Shane fanboys, huh? LOL!
I remember when JustIn was a free stroker and was fun to watch. This sucks.
I think shanes missed ball at 1:08:25 was a skit, it looked very unatural how the balls moved.
shooting over those racks is more than distracting. if the ball is sliding, that rack will crinkle and throw the ball off. i NEVER shoot over those racks.
Still wacth8ng first shot just make the fucking shot
Shane's miss at 1:08:22 was due-to a twist on his wrist during his final back swing. Go to it and, instead of watching the shot, watch his right wrist.
The announcers are sad Van Boening missed. Aren't they supposed to just comment?
why does the fargo change at the bottom? is that their fargo?
Can’t believe he literally said drugs is the reason why Bergman shoots slow on a live stream
Why are they so hard on Justin but praising Shane?
Nothing surprising about that match.
Oh, and He Won the Tournament too
Shane missed the easiest duck shot wow 🤦♂️ welp we all human lol
Yeah Shane is good but maybe give Bergman some props? Shane isn’t the only player in the world
The American pool industry seems to be very interested in protecting him. They talked about Mike Dechaine the same way as Bergman. Anyone who poses a threat it seems.
Bergman takes so much time between shots.
I agree with you,
Bergman shoot too much time I would say too much drama
unlike other players
After 1 rack, I can't handle listening to these commentators any longer.
The announcers made it very difficult to "finish"(sexually).
MUTE!! Why do ya’ll commentators ALWAYS try and explain EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO between each shot. Good grief. Mention a general comment, then let them play and discuss what they did after the fact.
Ya’ll are trying too hard.
i thought Shane was gonna win, wtf?
I always enjoy SVB's shots but I don't get it, how he is unfocused this time. Turns out, Justin plays very nice, compared to some of SVB's opponents before
Justin's slow play messed him up
@@djhyr0 Could also be that smaller table takes away some of Van Boening's advantages. Bergman is really, really, good.
Better player won this one.
Commentators are faking annoying keep trying to guess the patterns and won’t shut up for even a second so we can watch it
That first rack he makes an incredible shot on the 4 and misses the simple shot on the 5. I am gonna bey he losses this match!
Those announcers seem wasted.
Bergman is a decent shot but too much hemming and hawing for my liking. Commentators were also lacking.
das schlimmste an solchen sonst grandiosen Videos, sind die verkackten Kommentatoren
Luckier than a three-legged dog... ?
Bergman, get a rhythm, to much stalling & looking at the obvious. Ur a good player, is it nerves, less extreme observation & more pocketing the balls!
I think Justin is trying way to hard
he won the tourney.
Que flojera le ha d dar jugar a vanboening vs ese tipo d jugadores tardan mucho en tirar para que la fallen jaja
Like watching paint dry, ugh.
@38:07 they literally talk shit on Justin for a minute and then the one commentator says to the other drugs which you can hear him say. and then he proceeds to say im telling you the way hes up and down. entirely unprofessional especially being drunk. should never commentate again.
Unprofessional, biased, and most importantly: incorrect.
i don't understand svb playing as good as or better than anybody on earth but in the mosconi cup he totally flops. i think he has some kind of mental barrier he has to get by and if he ever does the u.s. may finally win again.
It's hard to understand. Think it may be the pressure combined with the tightness of the pockets.
Can't stand the way Bergman takes so much time, pros are not supposed to play this way.
Until you're wrecking him, comments like this are more annoying than him taking 30 seconds to take his shot.
I very much appreciate him. He has helped me understand pattern play options and tangent lines so much better. And he has helped me become comfortable with being patient in my own game. I love watching him play because of all the "annoying" things he does and how much time he takes. It is SOOOO helpful. I get to really think about the next few shots right there with him. With other professionals, they already take the shot before I figure out what I would do in the situation.
Says the person watching the video lol
I hate how Bergman is dressed. Not professional at all
wearing his mosconi shirt?
Calvin Klein over here
SVB makes some bad shots, commentators don't make too much of a fuss, Bergman takes his time, playing someone as good as Shane, commentators talk so much crap about how he points and takes his time, Shane made bad shots, all the pointing keeps someone as legendary as Shane in his seat so if he does give up a shot hopefully it makes him miss. Stay in your lane, there's a reason your talking about pool not playing it.
The announcers biases are stunning. I can not believe they can talk publicly in this manner.
Bergman playing style is so time killing and boring
Bergman is a great player but he just takes too long..boring..that's why I like watching billy Thorpe he is a quick shooter and if he says an opening he will go for the shot...not scared at all, but you don't make money in pool by having an audience. You play to win the pot
There should be a clock. It would solve the issue.
BERGMAN SUCKS TO WATCH the commentary is the only good thing about this match.
Because you didn't understand what you were watching lol
@@williamsheppard8738 I understand very well you apparently haven't been playing long enough yet to comprehend lol
@@chrisgroves255 play me an find out lol
@@williamsheppard8738 where are you at
@@chrisgroves255 okay I will be in Mississippi this weekend what about you
bergman is just a good amateur nothing more
Gary Harman how many good amateurs do you suppose made it to the Mosconi Cup?
I'll put my house note up saying he beats you on a race to 2
You're crazy as fuck lol you know nothing about pool he is the best barbox player in the world dumb ass