i think he ran into a weird scenario where he was not being themed well, and just ended up inbetween multiple character archetypes. kinda in a reverse style of the plank of wood nowadays, except it ends up looking just as bad
He needs someone at his side, i.e. a more experienced performer, to light him up. He works well alongside Viggo Mortensen, Johnny Depp or even Eric Bana. Hell, the best performance I've ever seen him give was that South African crime movie he did with Forest Withaker and he was the lead in that one, not FW! So he can be leading material! But Ridley Scott isn't known as an actors' director, and poor Orlando was clearly left on his own with a dull, overly long script that keeps meandering and gives him nothing. He feels awkward throughout the whole thing.
I always crack up at Orlando Bloom's armor leveling up throughout this movie lol the cool blue armor at the end is the quintessential end game armor you get just before the final area.
To be fair it was a river that wasn't turbulent, unlike the ocean that was in the middle of a storm. Also Bailan had to deal with ship wreckage, while Aragorn didn't have anything to worry about.
@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi and it's entirely likely he passed out after pulling himself ashore, because that takes a lot of energy out of you, so it's entirely believable he saved himself he didn't just happen to be the only person to survive when his ship was miraculously beached ....
This week, I finally showed my best friend the extended Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and he loved it so much we watched the last six hours in one sitting. Then the next day he told me how great season 2 of Halo is 💀
Color me super excited. I took multiple Medieval Europe courses for my master's, specialized in Classical World like Ancient Rome, Greece, and Mesopotamia, took courses on the Middle East and Islamic empires, and in my senior year Crusades course we watched this movie at the end of Finals and critiqued it for its historic absurdity. In other words: I've been looking forward to this.
I’ve not seen this movie before, but before even watching just based on my knowledge of history and the context clues I’m assuming this is going to be yet another in a very long line of “look how moral the Muslims are and how evil the west is”?
@@SumDumGy No, this movie was heavily criticized by the historic community for its pro-Muslim sentiments. It consistently portrays the Europeans as marble-brained barbarians while the Muslims under Salah Al-Din are consistently portrayed as paragons of virtue and martial honor. Both depictions are wrong, and this film absolutely does not take a balanced stance for both sides.
So about the ear poison, there is a reference to a poison called “Hebenon” in Shakespeare’s work. It is unknown what it is but it’s described as being poured through the ear. I dunno if the director thought he was being super deep or just liked the visual but there’s one possibility.
Baldwin might as well be the main character in this movie. An ailing king near the end of his short life, watching his kingdom tear itself apart as they all stand at the brink of disaster. We could've focused on his youth as the great hope of a prosperous Jerusalem, fending off Saladin's army and controlling the palace intrigue of his kingdom. But over time, he starts to feel the curse put upon him, as he begin to question his abilities, his life's works, even his faith. And we could've ended with that big-ass entrance with the crusaders all in tow. King Baldwin in his dying breath, deciding to show the world the strength of Jerusalem one last time, stopping a bloody confrontation between his fearful enemy and his own subject. That's just a more interesting movie than some random French emo guy who suddenly became a knight.
It's funny cuz Blooms character fought at Hattin, but was allowed to leave if he promised never to fight Saladin. He was forced to go against it because of the people at Jerusalem, and he wrote a letter to Saladin begging for forgiveness, which he got because Saladin (or Salahadin as his name has been known) was a Chad, the epitome of what a knight should be and highly respected in the Crusading community despite being a Muslim. It's why he and Richard were both pretty well matched.
Some of my favorite quotes on Blooms acting... "A dead Liam Neeson is acting better." "Almost a smile there... Almost." "Oh God the skeletons are emoting better..." On doing the naughty: "You don't have to make a facial expression, just get it over with..."
The part that drives me crazy isn't the historical side or the acting... first Balian is a Gary Stu, immediately a competent warrior, immediately a competent landkeeper and nobleman, the film alleges he's politically savvy but he isn't, and the worst thing is his fling with Sibylla. He's totally comfortable committing adultery with her while prattling about 'a kingdom of conscience' but won't marry the same woman to hold back a war, and this is portrayed as noble. It's just modernity stuffed into the crusades.
Maybe I'm misremembering but it was implied that Balian was also a war veteran before the events of the movie (as a siege engineer), and everyone except Guy had massive love and respect for his father.
@@wangusbeef86 You're not misremembering. The entire reason they even seek Balian out isn't just because he's his father's son, but also because of his own engineering experience. His defense of Jerusalem doesn't come out of nowhere.
It not marrying her that he’s worried about. It’s the killing of Guy and his followers necessary to make the marriage happen he objects to. He says he doesn’t want to be the cause of those deaths.
The thing with Orlando, and i suspect Zendaya, is modelling background - emoting is bad and trained not to express too much on the face, as it causes wrinkles and most photoshoots are done with very specific faces and angles, they are used to show those angles and specific neutral faces and seem deadly afraid of breaking it as it might affect their modelling creed/career if they make an expression that can be seen as ugly.
Uh idk if you’ve watched Zendaya act but since the Disney days she’s never been afraid of emoting lol. Watch her scenes in euphoria she has much more talent than Bloom
Agree. Have always wanted one. But sadly they always fall into Muslim propaganda. As if the Muslims were literally trying to conquer the entire $$$$in planet.
Did watch a several part show of multiple characters like Spartacus, Napoleon and Attila in which one of them was about Richard. Don't remember what it was called, but I remember that Attila looked quite a lot like he was played by Sandor Cleganes (GoT The Hound) actor.
@@slawaboga1433 When I watch him is like I am again doing my history major. He is great and very professional as a historian and as a "teacher" (in lack for a better word).
I love watching movies set in the medieval times, even the bad ones... They remind me of times when I used to be a medieval peasant, farming cabbages and trying not to get my hut burned down during some war.
I used to think "Kingdom Under Heaven" was Ridley Scott's last good movie, before he went insane, but this extended version is the Snyder Cut, before the Snyder Cut.
The thing with Orlando Bloom&Onion in Pirates is that he's a good contrast to the more eccentric characters he meets. Not even compared to just Jack and Barbosa, pretty much every pirate has some eccentricities with them either in appearance or acting. Helps to show how out of place he is. Same might not be said for Elizabeth and Norrington, which is also probably why his scenes with either of them tend to be the worst for him.
Very good observation A good director/writer knows how to best utilize an actor and their abilities. In pro wrestling for example, a bad wrestler could look amazing if they were used in the right way
I remember being a teen and my father gifting me my first PS3, and Kingdom of Heaven came with it. Good times. The DVD must be around my room, somewhere. And yep this extended cut is weird. I also remember really liking it, but Mr. Bloom there I didn't remember him being soooo daaaamm blaaaaaand. Great vid lads!
Director: Okay, Mr Bloom, in this scene, you've been knocked unconscious, so I'm gonna need to see you emote like you're ecstatic or depressed to the point of suicide. Bloom: No problem. Also Bloom: 0:00 - 1:56:34.
I'm glad Lucius Vorenus survived season 2 of Rome and became a Crusader over a millenium later. Too bad Pullo wasn't around to impregnate Eva Green and keep Jerusalem's bloodline strong.
1:03:02 In defense of Death, they were a band before the term "death metal" was widespread, and they didn't coin that term, ironically. The term came about from either Possessed or Onslaught, as both bands have a song called "Death Metal" that came out in 1984 (and Onslaught isn't even a death metal band just to make it more confusing), while Death didn't release an album until '87, and Leprosy in particular didn't come out until '88. Also listen to Leprosy because it's a very good album. Better than Sabaton if nothing else
@Shad: Self delete is considered a mortal sin by the Catholic Church, therefore you will be sent to the basement. @Metal: Don't speak klingon and pretend it's german! 😁
Kingdom of Heaven is actually one of my favourite movies but it was great fun to watch you guys break it apart. Much better than standard "reaction" videos.
Orlando Bloom looks like Andrew Garfield in Silence, coincidentally another movie about exotic lands and faith starring Liam Neeson. The difference is that Andrew Garfield has talent.
Theatrical or Directors Cut is the big question. After seeing the DC, it’s so hard to watch the theatrical because of missed story, changes that were made, or the quick glossing over of certain parts
I liked parts of this movie. The chess scene is one of my favorite parts. King Baldwin was also an amazing character. For Jerusalem! ✝️ EDIT: Orlando is a bad protagonist but I enjoy the good bits
@r.e.z9428 Yeah it's kind of sad that people don't really talk about it much. I've got issues with it, but it's definitely a film that deserves more recognition. Also, who doesn't love the hot spring scene in that movie lol.
@@SolarDragon007 Im not trying to be hyperbolic either when you usually have this “Oh [Insert Media Here] is underrated” The Northman is a bit of a slow burn, but the acting, dialogue, visuals are all top notch. Its like when I Andor, which I rewatched recently and was so damn surprised by how good it was. Cassian was a tad wooden but I could sympathize with him, the empire was actually competent and intimidating, there was no force or lightsabers, good acting, good characters, there are actual logical consequences to people actions and death is very present. Not to mention the power of plot is almost nowhere to be seen. Itswas such a breath of fresh air, just to see nobody talking about it or actually calling it boring.
"When the Pope says God's commanded it, you just find a way I guess." - Drinker I mean... God is *THE* Deus Ex Machina, of all deus ex machinas, Drinker.
16:45 There were indeed longswords during this period, they were still extremely rare and PROBABLY not used in the way depicted, as those are techniques similar to Talhoffer or Fiore De Libre, from the 15th century, but longswords/hand and a half swords did TECHNICALLY exist. There's an example of one in Glasgow dated between the 1100-1200's, and a bastard sword from a similar period in the Royal Armouries collection although sadly not on display.
This was one of those movies that i think i've watched at some point but barely remember any of it. Like it takes seeing one of the few scenes i recall to confirm that i have seen it. I think the first one would be the last surviving knight companion going off with the anti-water army. On a brighter note, the mention of The 13th Warrior made me want to watch it because it seemed familiar for some reason, turns out i have seen that one before as well. I really enjoyed watching it again, but sadly it wasn't the only thing to bring me joy in life though.
That spellcast voiceline at 1:09:15 will never ever leave my memory. I've spent too many hundreds of hours in those Pathfinder games to not immediately recognize it.
One thing that should be mentioned for the Crusades is that fairly few nobles went, it was almost a family affair. The nobles that would go brought their family members into it, if a king went his nation didn't go with him, his uncles, brothers and nephews would. It was the same for any lords that went. Europe did not mobilize, very devote families did, there would have likely been more gains had more people participated. It was also due to the families that refused to go that ended the crusades, in part, they argued they were too costly.
It’s worth mentioning that the Hospitaler (David Thewlis) was an angel. It started as a theory that a guy posted a TH-cam video about with supporting evidence and was later confirmed by the writer and/or director (I believe in the commentary on the extended? Not sure). Anyways, it doesn’t make it a better movie. But it does recontextualize many subtle things the Hospitaler does and says in an interesting way. Great reaction, gang!
So I decided to check on the suicide thing in religion and I did my journalistic investigation and checked only one site and they wrote: Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide. Individuals who commit suicide are usually suffering from some psychological or emotional condition that overwhelms them and impairs their ability to fully understand and freely choose their actions, and therefore they would not necessarily be culpable for their actions.
i dont know if it's just a catholic thing, but many priests over the decades/centuries have painted suicide in such a negative light... it can be a bit weird. *personal anecdote time. had a cousin perform the action, and their local priest didnt want to be part of the mourning nor the funeral service. it didnt seem like the local church said or did anything, it was the priest's personal feeling.
The Catholic Church was very much against suicide, considering it a mortal sin (refusing the gift of life, denying the will of God etc). So you'd go straight to Hell if you were a suicide, since you could not repent and get absolved once you're dead. Also, the suicides were denied christian burial and could not be buried in consecrated ground. Hence the scene in Hamlet where they bury Ofelia and the doubt whether it was suicide or just an accident... In time (as late as 20th century) the Church stance mellowed to what you found.
my biggest gripe with this movie is how muslims in the levant are shown to be enlightened and merciful and the crusaders and christians in general are represented as savages and ignorant people. like muslim rulers didn't sack cities and enslave people , when saladin took jerusalem he enslaved the civilians who couldnt pay their way out. he executed all the templars , hospitalers and other knights of religious orders he captured . In this movie he is overly nice and show to be super reasonable compared to the evil crusaders but at no point in this movie is it mentionned how muslims captured the region from the eastern romans. a region that was majority christian beforehand
@@slawaboga1433if anything napoleon had the same problem with scott's dislike of Napoleon shining through , i don't have a problem with a director having a point of view but when said director tells historical minded people to **get a life** when he get's criticized for poor history
History about the crusades has a lot of anti-christian propaganda due to people in the enlightment hating christianity. The dark ages and the muslim enlightnment ( or whatever it is called) were both products of this. When in reality, the worst thing to happen during the dark ages was people no longer learning greek and the muslims didnt invent anything, christian discoveries were being translated into arabic. The muslims didn't even build their own ships.
I mean it also isn't that far off either. The crusaders were insanely idiotic during the crusades era and their tactics and strategies were retarded. I agree the Muslims were not much better but they were less stupid than the crusaders
I love how this movie makes Saladin look like such a saint, when he was one of the biggest cowards in Medieval history who consistently lost against one angry Norman while commanding a massively overwhelming force.
Compared to most medieval rulers, saladin was a saint, so much so that European writers wrote fanfictions of Richard the Lionheart meeting up and having chivalric duels. This movie makes Baldwin looks like a saint as well lmao. Its a romanticisation of history, and both the kings managed to earn the respect of their enemies. Might be a bit salty cause ya lost the holy land to the big lad.
@@sarwatarannya8786 Saladin quite literally wouldn't be caught dead honouring Richard with a duel. He wouldn't even fight with his own cavalry and retreated whenever they were pressed.
Ahh, my Norman ancestors were certainly tough sons of bitches lol. Transferred to Canadians, as we had a brutal reputation during the world wars (killed surrendering Germans to save food, raiding emplacements in blizzards, etc). We were even founded by a drunken Scot!
@@TroopertrollTo be fair to Saladin, anyone trying to fight Richard in a duel was asking to die. He's up there with figures like Pyrrhus in terms of being an absolute gigachad on the battlefield. Saladin fighting one on one with Richard would be like Paris fighting Menelaus in the Troy movie. He'd just get abused in 4K.
@@josephcherrington2017 there in a few shots, they wear the white with the black teutonic cross. ( this order was formed around 1190 ). The events portrayed in the film I believe is around 1164 to 1184 , because Baldwin 4th is still king.
The extreme Deus Vult edits are awesome. I do really enjoy this movie, even with all the mistakes, helps the music is fucking great. Orlando definitely leans too hard into stoicism in this movie, in some cases it works, but not always, thats for sure. It was almost like he was a voiceless videogame protagonist. The film did 100% convince me a flail is a terrible weapon though, and that Saladin was a beast, as well as the greatest Muslim to ever live.
If this was a fantasy film in a fictional setting it would be among my favorite movies. Unfortunately its 'based on historical events' and is a propaganda piece.
@@SumDumGyi don't see the propaganda as well i think Guy and Reynold being the cartoonishly evil guys is kinda hilarious .but in the historical context Reynold is the guy who broke the peace treaty several times which led to the whole bloodshed thing, i think its fair to depict him as kinda evil but they overcooked it. and in the muslim side they clearly showed how some factions are pushing saladin to war , which is the movie saying 'look bad people here too ' but he didn't see that i guess.
@@khalilbehri5436 Come on. The Muslims are clearly portrayed as justified and just having some slightly mad guys who want to kill the evil invaders that kill random people. And are you telling me the writers didn't know about the slaughters on the Muslim sides? Just slipped their mind I guess. Seriously, the Crusaders are clearly the bad guys, it's not even close. (Plus the good guys in the Crusader side are basically not even Christians and once you realize the knight represents God who literally gets killed in one of the final cut scenes (Even from the extended cut if I recall) then it makes a lot more sense. God is dead and Christians are bad. Lol. Come on.)
@@SumDumGy 1. you know who. 2. You know what for. Its incompetently delivered propaganda, but only someone being intentionally obscurest would miss it. Why are you trying to play dumb here?
Out of curiosity I looked up the no quarter line Bloom used. If my internet sleuthing is correct no quarter became a term in mid 1600's while this movie takes place in the 1100's. I always felt a lot of movie writers used that line more then they should and it seems I may be right.
For context: this film was one of many series of Ridley films from this point to Exodus: Gods and Kings as an exploration of faith as an excuse for power… even Prometheus is an extension of these motifs. Personally, this film is what made me fascinated with history, even when this badly portrays the subject matter. I noticed the questioning of motive by the time Sybila kills her son. When her own logic was being questioned by Tiberius the next scene after the burning wax revelation, you guys pointed out that this is awful for the whole kingdom and yet she acknowledges that in the film. She lost her purpose in her kingdom as she has a child that will undergo the same pains as her dearest brother. It became more about her selfishness. The exploding bushes bit is also the most overt attempt at Scott portraying his own journey as an atheist with Balian, a historical figure, to be sacrificed into becoming a random French man in an unknown world. This same scene is where people start to question the purpose of the priest turned knight as he becomes more of like his “guardian angel” a figure that personifies the holy land only to die with it: i.e. the Battle of Hattin. Also the reason why the location looked like that for Jerusalem is because of the shooting location in Morocco. I prefer the director’s cut and while yea Scott has yet to surpass his best historical film “the Duelists”, this has a pretty good behind the scenes content clocking in at 10 hours. At some frames of this film they are utilizing 5,000 extras. That’s all I have to say, I have more but this was fun to listen to while at work.
My biggest issue with the film was Bloom's character just keeps getting put in charge of everything as soon as he shows up... no one even asks him for a resume'. Outside of that.... I like the film.
Woah!!! I didn't expect the face of Daniel Olbrychski (playing the Tatar commander Tuhaj-Bej in the polish movie adaptatio of With Fire and Sword :) in the intro heheh.
@@techMan_25 I mean as an atheist raised catholic, it was easy for me to believe the self-hating western narrative that christians were bad, evil invaders and Salah ad-Din was the wise enlightened man, especially considering the claims of "being accurate" that Scott made at the time. Then I learned how more complex everything was, riconsidered some things taking into account the Ottoman aggressive expansionism and on and on. Now this movie is basically unwatchable to me. My respect for Scott (especially after Napoleon and related interviews) has plummeted to zero.
@@techMan_25 The preceding literal hundreds of years of aggressive Muslim wars and atrocities against Christian nations before the 1st Crusade gets conveniently glossed over or omitted from most discussions of the topic to characterize the Crusades as unjustified.
@@PanzerblitzRnRi feel like that isn't 100% relevant considering the historical takeaway of the crusades is how much of a collosal failure they were, no? How they didn't really accomplish much except pillaging and looting in the name of God, and still they didn't even reach their goal? I don't think there's much to defend in regards to the Crusades, its always an experience when i see someone try it.
@@techMan_25 as an atheist raised catholic, it was pretty easy for me to believe the western self-hating view of Christian bad and evil invaders going against the wise Salah ad-Din, especially considering the claims of historical accuracy Scott made at the time. Later on, I learned how more complex the situation was, about islamic expanionism and the wider picture. In other words, how (as in most wars), there were no "good" and "bad" guys really. So now this movie is basically unwatchable for me, especially after my respect for Scott plummeted to zero due to Napoleon and related interviews... 😅
Training from Liam Neeson results in:
Knighthood (a few minutes)
Batman (a montage)
Jedi Knighthood (a lifetime, offscreen)
You mean Liam Neeson?
I used to be a KnightBatJed like you but then I took an arrow in the Neeson.
So did everybody just forget Rob Roy? Because seeing what he did to Timothy Roth in that flic is something I will never forget
You forgot the most important one: Becoming the monarchs of a fantasy land full of furries who don't understand what a spare room is.
@@Chris-dy9gw No it’s just that Rob Roy’s still on my list of things to watch. :3
I'm so excited. Mauler did hint that they slowly start to realize Orlando Bloom is not a good actor throughout the War Arch.
i think he ran into a weird scenario where he was not being themed well, and just ended up inbetween multiple character archetypes. kinda in a reverse style of the plank of wood nowadays, except it ends up looking just as bad
I'm hyped for the Pirates arc more than the guy who wants long kong
@@jackbauer5229no Long Kong better
@@proudsaiyanprince2651all hail long Kong, chosen of the Don.
He needs someone at his side, i.e. a more experienced performer, to light him up. He works well alongside Viggo Mortensen, Johnny Depp or even Eric Bana. Hell, the best performance I've ever seen him give was that South African crime movie he did with Forest Withaker and he was the lead in that one, not FW! So he can be leading material! But Ridley Scott isn't known as an actors' director, and poor Orlando was clearly left on his own with a dull, overly long script that keeps meandering and gives him nothing. He feels awkward throughout the whole thing.
Sargon of Akkad complaining about Orlando Bloom's acting is the only thing that brings me joy in life.
He wasn't that bad.
Bloom is actually very good in Kingdom of Heaven.
@@STTPMASFTNE His amazing range of 🗿 to🗿really blew me away
I agree!
funny af, he never give him a break
Orlando Bloom being the lone survivor of a shipwreck is because he's such a wooden actor. Heh.
This shouldn't be funny, but it is.
I want you to know that was absurdly cheesy and I love it
@@Dusk.EighthLegionit’s more funny than it deserves to be.
“I mean, what’s the problem with his acting?”
“The acting”
What acting?
There can't be a problem if there's no acting. 😉👈
I always crack up at Orlando Bloom's armor leveling up throughout this movie lol the cool blue armor at the end is the quintessential end game armor you get just before the final area.
Drinker - “How actually do you wash ashore, unconscious and not die?!”
Aragorn starts sweating
we can allow that in a fantasy world where magic exists ,while this is a historical'ish movie , and aragon fell into a river not a sea/ocean ship
@@Goseh on top of all that, he is a
Númenórean blessed by elves. 😁
To be fair it was a river that wasn't turbulent, unlike the ocean that was in the middle of a storm. Also Bailan had to deal with ship wreckage, while Aragorn didn't have anything to worry about.
@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi and it's entirely likely he passed out after pulling himself ashore, because that takes a lot of energy out of you, so it's entirely believable he saved himself
he didn't just happen to be the only person to survive when his ship was miraculously beached ....
Listen...
This week, I finally showed my best friend the extended Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and he loved it so much we watched the last six hours in one sitting. Then the next day he told me how great season 2 of Halo is 💀
😂😂😂😂
The duality of Man...
get a new friend
@@DbonnRPjust cause he has a different taste doesn't mean you need to find a new one. You're terrible in the first place
@@derpynerdy6294 P0f0f0ft. Did you ever consider that he might be joking?
Color me super excited.
I took multiple Medieval Europe courses for my master's, specialized in Classical World like Ancient Rome, Greece, and Mesopotamia, took courses on the Middle East and Islamic empires, and in my senior year Crusades course we watched this movie at the end of Finals and critiqued it for its historic absurdity.
In other words: I've been looking forward to this.
Ironically your education in this space probably took less time than getting this from recording to premiere
I’ve not seen this movie before, but before even watching just based on my knowledge of history and the context clues I’m assuming this is going to be yet another in a very long line of “look how moral the Muslims are and how evil the west is”?
Yeah. The plot is unironically trash. It's really baffling. The fight scenes would be good in another movie though.
@@finchvalorNot this time. This film takes a very balanced stance on both sides and I respect that.
@@SumDumGy No, this movie was heavily criticized by the historic community for its pro-Muslim sentiments. It consistently portrays the Europeans as marble-brained barbarians while the Muslims under Salah Al-Din are consistently portrayed as paragons of virtue and martial honor. Both depictions are wrong, and this film absolutely does not take a balanced stance for both sides.
can you imagine anything more glorious than being in the thick of battle and hearing one of your guys say in Sargon's voice "We're crusading now boys"
This same crew but EFAP Monty Python Holy Grail 😂
Yes please
The blue jeans are historically accurate.
Add the Trumb movies to that.. New Thumb Wars movie coming in May btw.
'cause he's Aragorn.
So about the ear poison, there is a reference to a poison called “Hebenon” in Shakespeare’s work. It is unknown what it is but it’s described as being poured through the ear. I dunno if the director thought he was being super deep or just liked the visual but there’s one possibility.
Baldwin might as well be the main character in this movie. An ailing king near the end of his short life, watching his kingdom tear itself apart as they all stand at the brink of disaster.
We could've focused on his youth as the great hope of a prosperous Jerusalem, fending off Saladin's army and controlling the palace intrigue of his kingdom. But over time, he starts to feel the curse put upon him, as he begin to question his abilities, his life's works, even his faith. And we could've ended with that big-ass entrance with the crusaders all in tow. King Baldwin in his dying breath, deciding to show the world the strength of Jerusalem one last time, stopping a bloody confrontation between his fearful enemy and his own subject.
That's just a more interesting movie than some random French emo guy who suddenly became a knight.
The Baldwin scenes are the reason why this movie is still remembered by people.
Ridley Scott loves the French. Always has strange effects on his movies.
@@Pink.andahalf napoleon is proof he hates corisicans (And men)
It's funny cuz Blooms character fought at Hattin, but was allowed to leave if he promised never to fight Saladin. He was forced to go against it because of the people at Jerusalem, and he wrote a letter to Saladin begging for forgiveness, which he got because Saladin (or Salahadin as his name has been known) was a Chad, the epitome of what a knight should be and highly respected in the Crusading community despite being a Muslim. It's why he and Richard were both pretty well matched.
Especially considering Balian’s entire backstory is a Hollywood fabrication. He was actually born in Ibelan. He wasn’t French.
Lol, Shad going "from memory,... this battle,..." I knew he was old, i didn't know he was THAT old...😂
King Baldwin is the best part of this movie
Which one?
@@SumDumGysilver mask king.
@@jonsimpson6240 I figured but I wanted to josh you a bit because there were two.
@@SumDumGy in that movie? I think I knew there was two, but not represented in the film.
@jonsimpson6240 the young boy. If memory serves, when he was named heir, he was named Baldwin V
At least we know now where Jet Li got his inspiration for his vast variety of facial expressions in Mulan Live Action...
Some of my favorite quotes on Blooms acting...
"A dead Liam Neeson is acting better."
"Almost a smile there... Almost."
"Oh God the skeletons are emoting better..."
On doing the naughty: "You don't have to make a facial expression, just get it over with..."
"I once fought for three days with an arrow through my testicle" 😆😁😁
Skyrim guy can consider himself lucky by taking an arrow only to his knee.
Haven’t we all...
Is that how the Austrian painter lost his ball?
The part that drives me crazy isn't the historical side or the acting... first Balian is a Gary Stu, immediately a competent warrior, immediately a competent landkeeper and nobleman, the film alleges he's politically savvy but he isn't, and the worst thing is his fling with Sibylla.
He's totally comfortable committing adultery with her while prattling about 'a kingdom of conscience' but won't marry the same woman to hold back a war, and this is portrayed as noble. It's just modernity stuffed into the crusades.
It’s more he won’t kill Guy until it is proven he’s guilty of something other than being a dick.
Maybe I'm misremembering but it was implied that Balian was also a war veteran before the events of the movie (as a siege engineer), and everyone except Guy had massive love and respect for his father.
@@wangusbeef86 You're not misremembering. The entire reason they even seek Balian out isn't just because he's his father's son, but also because of his own engineering experience. His defense of Jerusalem doesn't come out of nowhere.
It not marrying her that he’s worried about. It’s the killing of Guy and his followers necessary to make the marriage happen he objects to. He says he doesn’t want to be the cause of those deaths.
The thing with Orlando, and i suspect Zendaya, is modelling background - emoting is bad and trained not to express too much on the face, as it causes wrinkles and most photoshoots are done with very specific faces and angles, they are used to show those angles and specific neutral faces and seem deadly afraid of breaking it as it might affect their modelling creed/career if they make an expression that can be seen as ugly.
The difference being one of these former models has helped bring us some entertaining and great movies.
The other is Zendaya.
This is why he makes such a good Elf. The beauty, pride and vanity are all completely internal for him.
Uh idk if you’ve watched Zendaya act but since the Disney days she’s never been afraid of emoting lol. Watch her scenes in euphoria she has much more talent than Bloom
@emkenobi Everyone just saw her making one vaguely mad facial expression for 2 hours in Dune Part 2. Not a great impression of her skills.
@Pink.andahalf Yeah, she was easily the weakest part of Dune Part 2 in terms of both her acting and they way they wrote Chani.
We really need a good historical Crusade movie or tv show about Richard the Lionheart vs Saladin.
Agree. Have always wanted one. But sadly they always fall into Muslim propaganda. As if the Muslims were literally trying to conquer the entire $$$$in planet.
Did watch a several part show of multiple characters like Spartacus, Napoleon and Attila in which one of them was about Richard. Don't remember what it was called, but I remember that Attila looked quite a lot like he was played by Sandor Cleganes (GoT The Hound) actor.
I'd like one on the Children's Crusade and how it was just a scam and human trafficking deal between the West and the leaders of the Islamic world.
"You went from chainmail to chained up in jail, till mommy drained England to pay for your bail"
Knights of the cross written by the guy that runs the real crusades history channel here on Yt
Ridley Scott wanted Paul Bettany. The studio demanded Orlando. Sigh, what could have been . . .
Holy shit yeah i hadnt heard that. wow yeah that would have been amazing.
Dang that would have been so different
That could have been amazing! Instead, we got a wooden bloom.
31:48 missed opportunity to have shad's laugh fade into ghimli's at helm's deep
Drinker needed to see Tatiana, he couldn’t handle the movie anymore lol
Honestly, that's fair.
A Orlando Bloom movie, starring Orland Blood as... Orlando Bloom.
I'm not convinced by Bloom in that role. I don't think he did a good job portraying the subtleties of his character.
Orland Blood, the evil Orlando Bloom that can act
That Mauler "you're so ridiculously evil. Fuck." Is such a great edit. Love it.
Timestamp?
@@camillecunningham7348
1:17:00
@@callumunga5253 Thanks
Apostolic Majesty on TH-cam does an excellent breakdown of how horribly this movie butchers the history and the ethos of the Middle Ages.
Underrated channel
AM's kingdom of heaven video is real good rat
Shoutout to one of the best history channels on YT
@@slawaboga1433 When I watch him is like I am again doing my history major. He is great and very professional as a historian and as a "teacher" (in lack for a better word).
Hadn’t come across this Channel but saw this post - great recommendation
I love watching movies set in the medieval times, even the bad ones... They remind me of times when I used to be a medieval peasant, farming cabbages and trying not to get my hut burned down during some war.
Ahh.. simpler times
The rejection of historical innaccuracies is great to see. You're more informed than most professional critics it seems.
I used to think "Kingdom Under Heaven" was Ridley Scott's last good movie, before he went insane, but this extended version is the Snyder Cut, before the Snyder Cut.
It’s a Rebel Moon before the Rebel Moon
Except the theatrical cut didn’t make any real sense. This is what the movie was before the studio forced him to cut it below two hours.
King Baldwin IV of Jerusalem is just the coolest mfer
The name Baldwin would probably give xqc a heart attack
The thing with Orlando Bloom&Onion in Pirates is that he's a good contrast to the more eccentric characters he meets. Not even compared to just Jack and Barbosa, pretty much every pirate has some eccentricities with them either in appearance or acting. Helps to show how out of place he is.
Same might not be said for Elizabeth and Norrington, which is also probably why his scenes with either of them tend to be the worst for him.
Very good observation
A good director/writer knows how to best utilize an actor and their abilities. In pro wrestling for example, a bad wrestler could look amazing if they were used in the right way
I remember being a teen and my father gifting me my first PS3, and Kingdom of Heaven came with it. Good times. The DVD must be around my room, somewhere.
And yep this extended cut is weird. I also remember really liking it, but Mr. Bloom there I didn't remember him being soooo daaaamm blaaaaaand.
Great vid lads!
The edit about night lighting. 😂
I also appreciate your use of words like 'floomping'.
'phleem tisms'
Wumbo words
Star Grift died so this could live it’s sacrifice will not be forgotten
It’s not a sacrifice at all. I walked away from that one before it ended.
how'd it die? I was never interested in sw theory, so im out of loop here.
@@janehrahan5116 Mauler and Ryan had to drop out because of busy scheduling like video making, prep time, and streaming for their own channels
More like Super Chat with Ryan and Mauler.
@@nhagan001- still better than Real BBC
Blacksmith, I am going into battle and I require only your strongest weapons.
My weapons are too strong for you, knight.
I love that orlando bloom single handedly solved every problem and researched every tech. Hes like the player in a civilization game.
You think Ridley Scott really doesn’t care about history in this film, wait until you see Napoleon.
Orlando Bloom isn't acting poorly, he's moving different.
Director: Okay, Mr Bloom, in this scene, you've been knocked unconscious, so I'm gonna need to see you emote like you're ecstatic or depressed to the point of suicide.
Bloom: No problem.
Also Bloom: 0:00 - 1:56:34.
I'm glad Lucius Vorenus survived season 2 of Rome and became a Crusader over a millenium later. Too bad Pullo wasn't around to impregnate Eva Green and keep Jerusalem's bloodline strong.
He survived Rome only to be lost at sea.
It was quite a journey
1:03:02 In defense of Death, they were a band before the term "death metal" was widespread, and they didn't coin that term, ironically. The term came about from either Possessed or Onslaught, as both bands have a song called "Death Metal" that came out in 1984 (and Onslaught isn't even a death metal band just to make it more confusing), while Death didn't release an album until '87, and Leprosy in particular didn't come out until '88.
Also listen to Leprosy because it's a very good album. Better than Sabaton if nothing else
To make it even more fun, when Death went by "Mantas", the released a demo titled "Death by Metal"...also in 1984
@@TheStonedZone I forgot about that demo lol. Everyone can take their pick of where the term came from I guess
@Shad: Self delete is considered a mortal sin by the Catholic Church, therefore you will be sent to the basement.
@Metal: Don't speak klingon and pretend it's german! 😁
I would adore a episode dedicated to the 13th Warrior. Excellent movie.
Bandaris is epic.
Yes, but is it EFAP material? That’s always the question.
@@SumDumGy Efap movie material at the very least
@@ShakalakaKing Thats what we’re talking about and I don’t think it is.
@@SumDumGy yeah, the problem with watching good movies in this format is they often have little to actually say
I greatly appreciate the Mount & Blade humor
You better not be a man hunter!
It's almost Harvesting Season
Kingdom of Heaven is actually one of my favourite movies but it was great fun to watch you guys break it apart. Much better than standard "reaction" videos.
Orlando Bloom looks like Andrew Garfield in Silence, coincidentally another movie about exotic lands and faith starring Liam Neeson.
The difference is that Andrew Garfield has talent.
Silence is also not historically accurate.
Garfield's head looks too big for his body. Don't insult Orlando like that 😄
Good film too
@@shamrockdragon7634silence wasnt trying to be. They were adapting a book
Theatrical or Directors Cut is the big question. After seeing the DC, it’s so hard to watch the theatrical because of missed story, changes that were made, or the quick glossing over of certain parts
This is the DC.
DC is the only one worth watching. Theatrical is a hack job.
Reminds me of that other collection of Orlando Bloom films in that regard.
In Troy, they seriously fucked up the Hector vs Achilles fight by replacing the epic soundtrack with a worse one.
@@anonymouscrow5849this directors cut is actually garbage compared to the hack job
Not knowing Eva Green instantly actually hurt my soul.
I liked parts of this movie. The chess scene is one of my favorite parts. King Baldwin was also an amazing character. For Jerusalem! ✝️
EDIT: Orlando is a bad protagonist but I enjoy the good bits
Are we going to be getting a 13th Warrior EFAP? Cause Im all for it.
Came here to say this!
Wish The Northman was part of the War Arc.
@@SolarDragon007 Underrated film
@r.e.z9428 Yeah it's kind of sad that people don't really talk about it much. I've got issues with it, but it's definitely a film that deserves more recognition. Also, who doesn't love the hot spring scene in that movie lol.
@@SolarDragon007 Im not trying to be hyperbolic either when you usually have this “Oh [Insert Media Here] is underrated” The Northman is a bit of a slow burn, but the acting, dialogue, visuals are all top notch. Its like when I Andor, which I rewatched recently and was so damn surprised by how good it was. Cassian was a tad wooden but I could sympathize with him, the empire was actually competent and intimidating, there was no force or lightsabers, good acting, good characters, there are actual logical consequences to people actions and death is very present. Not to mention the power of plot is almost nowhere to be seen. Itswas such a breath of fresh air, just to see nobody talking about it or actually calling it boring.
1:00:59 Nice touch with the Medieval 2 Total War music!
"When the Pope says God's commanded it, you just find a way I guess." - Drinker
I mean... God is *THE* Deus Ex Machina, of all deus ex machinas, Drinker.
Complaining about orlando is the only thing that brings me joy in life
16:45 There were indeed longswords during this period, they were still extremely rare and PROBABLY not used in the way depicted, as those are techniques similar to Talhoffer or Fiore De Libre, from the 15th century, but longswords/hand and a half swords did TECHNICALLY exist. There's an example of one in Glasgow dated between the 1100-1200's, and a bastard sword from a similar period in the Royal Armouries collection although sadly not on display.
Orlando Bloom reminds me of that “Kevin. Your dog just died. [picture]” meme
Mount & Blade edit at the end is peak fire
This was one of those movies that i think i've watched at some point but barely remember any of it. Like it takes seeing one of the few scenes i recall to confirm that i have seen it. I think the first one would be the last surviving knight companion going off with the anti-water army.
On a brighter note, the mention of The 13th Warrior made me want to watch it because it seemed familiar for some reason, turns out i have seen that one before as well. I really enjoyed watching it again, but sadly it wasn't the only thing to bring me joy in life though.
Yay! Bashir acknowledgement!
That spellcast voiceline at 1:09:15 will never ever leave my memory. I've spent too many hundreds of hours in those Pathfinder games to not immediately recognize it.
Movie: Europe suffers repression and poverty
Drinker: "i see some s**t never changes then"
😂😂 dead
One thing that should be mentioned for the Crusades is that fairly few nobles went, it was almost a family affair. The nobles that would go brought their family members into it, if a king went his nation didn't go with him, his uncles, brothers and nephews would. It was the same for any lords that went. Europe did not mobilize, very devote families did, there would have likely been more gains had more people participated. It was also due to the families that refused to go that ended the crusades, in part, they argued they were too costly.
“People gonna value the sh*t out of your stuff if it’s good.”
...like actors?
YES!!! I was so enthralled by this movie when I was 20, but have taken a more humorous stance since then. So happy to see EFAP covering it!!
This was really fun to watch! I also love the Mount & Blade references at the end. 😄
This WarArc has quickly become some of my favourite TH-cam content. Well done chaps.
I freaking love the editing in this episode. The Sabaton, the Pathfinder cure light wounds sound effect... beautiful!
It’s worth mentioning that the Hospitaler (David Thewlis) was an angel. It started as a theory that a guy posted a TH-cam video about with supporting evidence and was later confirmed by the writer and/or director (I believe in the commentary on the extended? Not sure). Anyways, it doesn’t make it a better movie. But it does recontextualize many subtle things the Hospitaler does and says in an interesting way.
Great reaction, gang!
54:32 So, that Sabaton song is about the sacking of Rome in 1527. I recommend Powerwolf’s (not Sabaton’s) “In the Name of God” instead!
Your time stamp is a whole minute out mate.
23:18 that's Marton Csokas, he played Celeborn in Fellowship of the Ring, he's also the villain in XXX
So I decided to check on the suicide thing in religion and I did my journalistic investigation and checked only one site and they wrote: Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
Individuals who commit suicide are usually suffering from some psychological or emotional condition that overwhelms them and impairs their ability to fully understand and freely choose their actions, and therefore they would not necessarily be culpable for their actions.
i dont know if it's just a catholic thing, but many priests over the decades/centuries have painted suicide in such a negative light... it can be a bit weird.
*personal anecdote time. had a cousin perform the action, and their local priest didnt want to be part of the mourning nor the funeral service. it didnt seem like the local church said or did anything, it was the priest's personal feeling.
@@vissermatt1058 My condolences
@@inferior3199 life sucks, then it's over. got to enjoy and maximize the time we have. best of luck to you and yours.
@@vissermatt1058 Thank you. Wish you the same. I hope you find peace and fulfillment in your journey.
The Catholic Church was very much against suicide, considering it a mortal sin (refusing the gift of life, denying the will of God etc). So you'd go straight to Hell if you were a suicide, since you could not repent and get absolved once you're dead. Also, the suicides were denied christian burial and could not be buried in consecrated ground. Hence the scene in Hamlet where they bury Ofelia and the doubt whether it was suicide or just an accident... In time (as late as 20th century) the Church stance mellowed to what you found.
my biggest gripe with this movie is how muslims in the levant are shown to be enlightened and merciful and the crusaders and christians in general are represented as savages and ignorant people. like muslim rulers didn't sack cities and enslave people , when saladin took jerusalem he enslaved the civilians who couldnt pay their way out. he executed all the templars , hospitalers and other knights of religious orders he captured . In this movie he is overly nice and show to be super reasonable compared to the evil crusaders but at no point in this movie is it mentionned how muslims captured the region from the eastern romans. a region that was majority christian beforehand
@@slawaboga1433if anything napoleon had the same problem with scott's dislike of Napoleon shining through , i don't have a problem with a director having a point of view but when said director tells historical minded people to **get a life** when he get's criticized for poor history
History about the crusades has a lot of anti-christian propaganda due to people in the enlightment hating christianity. The dark ages and the muslim enlightnment ( or whatever it is called) were both products of this. When in reality, the worst thing to happen during the dark ages was people no longer learning greek and the muslims didnt invent anything, christian discoveries were being translated into arabic. The muslims didn't even build their own ships.
I mean it also isn't that far off either. The crusaders were insanely idiotic during the crusades era and their tactics and strategies were retarded. I agree the Muslims were not much better but they were less stupid than the crusaders
Love Colonisation
Love the Crusades
Love Europe
Love Christ and God
Simple az
Orlando Bloom's character Balian seems to me like a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
Pretty solid example for sure. They don't get full points as he technically got trained and has "lost" in several spots.
The director cut of this movie is much different and much better
I love how this movie makes Saladin look like such a saint, when he was one of the biggest cowards in Medieval history who consistently lost against one angry Norman while commanding a massively overwhelming force.
Compared to most medieval rulers, saladin was a saint, so much so that European writers wrote fanfictions of Richard the Lionheart meeting up and having chivalric duels. This movie makes Baldwin looks like a saint as well lmao. Its a romanticisation of history, and both the kings managed to earn the respect of their enemies. Might be a bit salty cause ya lost the holy land to the big lad.
@@sarwatarannya8786 Saladin quite literally wouldn't be caught dead honouring Richard with a duel. He wouldn't even fight with his own cavalry and retreated whenever they were pressed.
Ahh, my Norman ancestors were certainly tough sons of bitches lol. Transferred to Canadians, as we had a brutal reputation during the world wars (killed surrendering Germans to save food, raiding emplacements in blizzards, etc).
We were even founded by a drunken Scot!
@@Troopertroll Saladin being tactically and strategically practical? What a terrible general.
@@TroopertrollTo be fair to Saladin, anyone trying to fight Richard in a duel was asking to die. He's up there with figures like Pyrrhus in terms of being an absolute gigachad on the battlefield. Saladin fighting one on one with Richard would be like Paris fighting Menelaus in the Troy movie. He'd just get abused in 4K.
I NEED last scene as a separate video. Mount&Blade's damage UI was such an inspired decision.
I am surprised everyone missed that the teutonic knights are out of period.
Where were they shown in the film?
@@josephcherrington2017 there in a few shots, they wear the white with the black teutonic cross. ( this order was formed around 1190 ). The events portrayed in the film I believe is around 1164 to 1184 , because Baldwin 4th is still king.
Almost like Shad isn’t actually an expert but a Mormon LARPER with a sensitive ego about his artistic talent.
The movie states it starts in 1184. Compared to all the other insane historical inaccuracies in the film, I find this one of the least egregious.
@@baldurgunnarsson2578 agreed. I still like the movie. (Theatrical cut)
The extreme Deus Vult edits are awesome.
I do really enjoy this movie, even with all the mistakes, helps the music is fucking great. Orlando definitely leans too hard into stoicism in this movie, in some cases it works, but not always, thats for sure. It was almost like he was a voiceless videogame protagonist.
The film did 100% convince me a flail is a terrible weapon though, and that Saladin was a beast, as well as the greatest Muslim to ever live.
OMG yes! The end edit! Pure gold! tyvm!
58:55 the bacon and eggs with spooky music bit was a nice touch 😂
Thats medieval 2 total war you being attacked music
If this was a fantasy film in a fictional setting it would be among my favorite movies. Unfortunately its 'based on historical events' and is a propaganda piece.
Couldn't have been said better.
Propaganda for whom? The bad guys on both sides or the good guys on both sides?
@@SumDumGyi don't see the propaganda as well
i think Guy and Reynold being the cartoonishly evil guys is kinda hilarious .but in the historical context Reynold is the guy who broke the peace treaty several times which led to the whole bloodshed thing, i think its fair to depict him as kinda evil but they overcooked it. and in the muslim side they clearly showed how some factions are pushing saladin to war , which is the movie saying 'look bad people here too ' but he didn't see that i guess.
@@khalilbehri5436 Come on. The Muslims are clearly portrayed as justified and just having some slightly mad guys who want to kill the evil invaders that kill random people. And are you telling me the writers didn't know about the slaughters on the Muslim sides? Just slipped their mind I guess. Seriously, the Crusaders are clearly the bad guys, it's not even close.
(Plus the good guys in the Crusader side are basically not even Christians and once you realize the knight represents God who literally gets killed in one of the final cut scenes (Even from the extended cut if I recall) then it makes a lot more sense. God is dead and Christians are bad. Lol. Come on.)
@@SumDumGy 1. you know who. 2. You know what for.
Its incompetently delivered propaganda, but only someone being intentionally obscurest would miss it. Why are you trying to play dumb here?
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. I still like it a lot.
I saw this movie ages ago, and completely forgot that Orlando Bloom was in it at all. Now I know why.
Out of curiosity I looked up the no quarter line Bloom used. If my internet sleuthing is correct no quarter became a term in mid 1600's while this movie takes place in the 1100's.
I always felt a lot of movie writers used that line more then they should and it seems I may be right.
I now need an EFAP Movies of Kung Pow.
Make it happen mewbschlie! It’ll be the only thing that’ll bring me joy in life!
For context: this film was one of many series of Ridley films from this point to Exodus: Gods and Kings as an exploration of faith as an excuse for power… even Prometheus is an extension of these motifs. Personally, this film is what made me fascinated with history, even when this badly portrays the subject matter.
I noticed the questioning of motive by the time Sybila kills her son. When her own logic was being questioned by Tiberius the next scene after the burning wax revelation, you guys pointed out that this is awful for the whole kingdom and yet she acknowledges that in the film. She lost her purpose in her kingdom as she has a child that will undergo the same pains as her dearest brother. It became more about her selfishness.
The exploding bushes bit is also the most overt attempt at Scott portraying his own journey as an atheist with Balian, a historical figure, to be sacrificed into becoming a random French man in an unknown world. This same scene is where people start to question the purpose of the priest turned knight as he becomes more of like his “guardian angel” a figure that personifies the holy land only to die with it: i.e. the Battle of Hattin.
Also the reason why the location looked like that for Jerusalem is because of the shooting location in Morocco.
I prefer the director’s cut and while yea Scott has yet to surpass his best historical film “the Duelists”, this has a pretty good behind the scenes content clocking in at 10 hours. At some frames of this film they are utilizing 5,000 extras.
That’s all I have to say, I have more but this was fun to listen to while at work.
I will cry if “The Last Samurai” isn’t in this arc
My biggest issue with the film was Bloom's character just keeps getting put in charge of everything as soon as he shows up... no one even asks him for a resume'.
Outside of that.... I like the film.
Bloom's character is a classic Gary Sue, which is somewhat hidden by the fact that the movie is quite grim
Guy does.
There is a very strong irony with this EFAP movie coming out during current real world events.
A very strong ironic twist.
It didn’t though. This movie is from 2006.
@@SumDumGy I’ll clarify next time. The EFAP movies.
Kingdom come deliverance > kingdom of heaven
Woah!!! I didn't expect the face of Daniel Olbrychski (playing the Tatar commander Tuhaj-Bej in the polish movie adaptatio of With Fire and Sword :) in the intro heheh.
I remember moderately liking this movie. Then I read unbiased books about the crusades... 😂
Elaborate?
@@techMan_25 I mean as an atheist raised catholic, it was easy for me to believe the self-hating western narrative that christians were bad, evil invaders and Salah ad-Din was the wise enlightened man, especially considering the claims of "being accurate" that Scott made at the time.
Then I learned how more complex everything was, riconsidered some things taking into account the Ottoman aggressive expansionism and on and on.
Now this movie is basically unwatchable to me. My respect for Scott (especially after Napoleon and related interviews) has plummeted to zero.
@@techMan_25 The preceding literal hundreds of years of aggressive Muslim wars and atrocities against Christian nations before the 1st Crusade gets conveniently glossed over or omitted from most discussions of the topic to characterize the Crusades as unjustified.
@@PanzerblitzRnRi feel like that isn't 100% relevant considering the historical takeaway of the crusades is how much of a collosal failure they were, no? How they didn't really accomplish much except pillaging and looting in the name of God, and still they didn't even reach their goal?
I don't think there's much to defend in regards to the Crusades, its always an experience when i see someone try it.
@@techMan_25 as an atheist raised catholic, it was pretty easy for me to believe the western self-hating view of Christian bad and evil invaders going against the wise Salah ad-Din, especially considering the claims of historical accuracy Scott made at the time.
Later on, I learned how more complex the situation was, about islamic expanionism and the wider picture. In other words, how (as in most wars), there were no "good" and "bad" guys really.
So now this movie is basically unwatchable for me, especially after my respect for Scott plummeted to zero due to Napoleon and related interviews... 😅
Oh! It's the movie with the really great music video! Good memory! 💛
I love this film.
I know it’s historically inaccurate propoganda like “The Patriot”, but like “The Patriot”, I love it anyway.
This is actually one of the movies that is brought up when talking about director's cuts that are a lot better than the theatrical version.
Powerwolf in EFAP, it's a goddamn good day
Rags wills it!!!!
Truth
Mauler talking about them being one of his favorite bands got me to look them up, and now they're one of my favorite bands.
Shad trying his hardest not to say a naughty word is the only thing that brings me joy in life
'The four guys on top doing their absolute best, god bless them!'
David Thewlis (Ares) is the Hospitaller and an Angel in disguise. Screenwriter William Monahan outright confirms this.