Nice video. It is too bad we're so low on supply for the X-Mid. We are working on that, but with the outdoor gear industry being backlogged it's hard to catch up. We're now ordering a lot more tents but we won't have those until later next year. In the mean time we do have a few smaller batches arriving but they'll sell out quickly so people really need to be on the stock notification list to have a chance at one of those.
Thanks for the update Dan, I'll 'pin' your comment so others will be more likely to see it. I know I'm on the list; however, I suspect that the list is now much longer than the number of shelters being produced this go around. Congrats also on the rave review from Backpacking light!
@@ShastaBubba Thanks! Our next batch is a decent size (largest one yet) but yes the list is quite a bit longer still. We think it'll sell out somewhere between a few hours and a few days.
@DanDurston my friend and I are trying to hold out for the X-Mid 2P drop but I was really needing one before our November trip. The recent update on the website says end of the year, do you happen know if there’s any chance it’ll be early enough to receive before November 18th? 😅😅😅 I have been debating forever it seems now, preferring the X-Mid but really considering the Stratospire 2 or the Six Moon Designs Haven Bundle (which is extremely similar to the Gossamer Gear The Two that I just sold in pursuit of a two wall). I sleep solo in my tent so the extra width is not exactly one of my priorities. Not knowing when we will have a chance to snag an X-Mid factors a lot in my decision. But I also do not have the budget (at all) to purchase more than one. SO many things to consider! 🥴🥴🥴 @ShastaBubba Adventures I really appreciated this video as I had nearly the same thought process, and enjoyed your perspective. Thank you for sharing it with us!
@@amandatuley4881 Hey Amanda, I don't know whether Dan D. will see this comment, since he probably won't receive notice of it. You might try his YT channel or instagram instead. I suspect that, if he knew the exact date, he would already be broadcasting that and is just as much in the dark regarding when the production shop in Vietnam will be done as the rest of us. My suggestion would be to wait until mid October (allowing a month for shipping time), then if the drop hasn't happened, go with the Strat 2 or Haven. If you weren't happy with that choice, you could likely sell it on gear swap next year (minus 20%) and put that money toward the X-mid when they are more available. That's probably what I'll be doing myself!
Thanks for putting this together Dan. I just went through the same process earlier this year and ended up getting a Seek Outside Eolus, a hybrid single wall tarp with inner net nest. Did 155 miles on the Colorado Trail with my two older children (15 and 13) and the tent performed really well. We were able to deal with some of the condensation by pitching the tarp as high as my trekking poles would allow and leaving a door of the shell open on clear nights. Really enjoy listening to you articulate your thinking! Keep it up.
It's so great to hear that report about making a hybrid work for you; that really opens up some awesome possibilities, Seek Outside among them, certainly. Also, thanks for the encouraging words, greatly appreciate it!
I have the X-Mid 2P and can speak to how wonderful it is. Your criteria matched mine plus I wanted a polyester tent and the X-mid ticked all my boxes. It’s easy and quick to set up. I love love the geometry of it too. You should splurge and get one when the next batch is available.
@@helpfulcommenter If you feel claustrophobic in 1P tents you'll find the X-mid 2P nice and roomy. Get onto the stock notification email list so you can find out when the X-Mid batches are being available to order.
I once asked Henry Shires of Tarptent if there was a way to enlarge the simple 4 stake design of the Notch up to a 2 person sized tent. He said unfortunately not. The pitch loc ends would have to be enormous , requiring removing and reinstalling them every pitch. Complicating a simple tent...so the Stratospire remains the go-to double wall. When shopping for a two person tent for my wife and I, I discarded the SS Li for one of the reasons you mentioned; only 45". (If I remember correctly, the reason the SS Li is smaller than the SS2 has to do with the size of the dcf fabric roll; the extra 5 inches would have increased the price considerably)
Great Video! I’m a big fan of Dan as well. We need creative geniuses in these times. Innovators that inspire us. Great Artist to bring us all together. Durston’s creation does that. I really hope you get one.
Enjoyed the video and the methodical way you evaluated the options. Just went through the same process after a leaky tent ruined a Winds backpacking trip this summer. Ended up ordering the Zpacks Altaplex for the DCF fabric and extremely light weight. This will be my first DCF and single wall tent and looking forward to trying it out soon in the Smokies.
Good luck with the Altaplex; it's certainly a very popular option and might be worth dealing with occasional condensation for the weight benefit. Let us know what you think of it after a few trips!!!
I'm getting back into camping after a couple of decades away, and I just bought a hammock setup, and I STILL want one of those Durston tents. Kicking myself for not getting one last year when I had the chance.
@@ShastaBubba I'll let you know. Just too damn humid in Virginia right now, but it won't be long until it breaks. I really enjoy your channel, by the way.
Thanks for the sharing your process in deciding which tent to get. I went through that last spring and looked at many of the same tents. I was fortunate to get the DD X-Mid 2P and then later the 1P. I’ll be using the 2P in situations where I’m less concerned about the huge footprint of the tent, and the 1P on my planned AT attempt in the fall. I’ve been really happy with quality and construction of both. These also take some practice setting up to make sure they’re square. I really didn’t feel I could do my usual first setup process of doing so at the campsite in the dark (probably in the rain too)
Wow, you were prescient to score both shelters early on, congrats and thanks for sharing your impressions. Really hope to snag one myself in time. Happy trails!
I have pretty much the same criteria. I went down the same road and came to a choice of two tents. Firstly, the X-Mid 2 and secondly, the new Tarptent Double Rainbow Double Wall (DW). Both of these have a width of 50" for the inner. I tried to get the X-Mid 2 in the recent new batch but failed miserably so went with the Double Rainbow DW. Sadly, I've found that having 2 long wide pads ( I have 2 x Nemo tensor Alpine LW pads ) is just a bit of a pinch with this tent. Yes, it sort of JUST fits but not really. I think you made the right choice with the Stratospire 2 having the extra width to 52". I think that 2" is quite a lot extra and needed in this case. I haven't had the ability to try 2 wide long rectangular pads in the X-Mid 2 but something tells me it will also be tight if 50" wide, not 52" like you have.
Hey thanks for the info; didn't know they started making a DW version of the Double Rainbow! Re: the X-Mid 2, I failed too, but luckily, a friend had quicker fingers on the ordering button and is helping me out, so I'll be able to compare the X-Mid 2 and Strat 2 side-by-side soon, so I'll be sure to let you know how the two pads fit.
@@ShastaBubba I certainly look forward to getting your thoughts on that. The new DR DW from tarptent is a superb design. Just a little tight on that 2x 25” width requirement. The features on the double rainbow are brilliant. I’m going to try and create a workaround for the inner if I can.
I am literally shopping for this same thing. Double wall, around 2 pounds, trekking pole setup that can take 2 double wide pads. I came to the stratospire 2 or the durston gear x-mid 2 which is almost impossible to get. thanks for the review!!!
Hope it was helpful. Dan D. has been promising a new drop of x-mids will be available "in the fall" which, by my calculations is any week now. If you want one, better get on his mailing list because I expect them to sell out in a day or two.
Kia Ora Dan, I can relate to your commenting on how finicky the Stratospire is to set up . I had a right ol' time trying to do so with the printed instructions that came enclosed with mine . Eventually I worked out a different way that now seems to work . It is a great tent however I only use it car-camping with my wife . 'Tis a palace for us compared to the Big Agnes Copper Spur 2 that we had in the past ! BTW, I am very impressed to see a copy of " Prairy Erth ( a deep map ) upon one of your bookshelves. One of the best books I've ever read . Keep up the good work - I do enjoy your channel . Take care , Shane W.
Kia ora kōrua Shane (I googled it!) and thanks for the kind words. I'm afraid it's true that the only thing I collect faster than backpacking gear is books! Cheers!
I owned the SS li and Modded the struts from 16 to foldable 8 inch . That way it Packs horizontally in my Pack and u can leave the struts in. Bought alu struts off from amazon. The thinner ones idont remember the diameter. I Sold the SS li and got my a Double Rainbow Li with Liner . Mainly in Norway and Iceland . DR is the perfect tent for me
Thanks for the tip and feedback! How did you make the struts foldable? Cut and tape? or did they come with a internal bungy string like free-standing tent poles? Great idea though. Also, and troubles with condensation in the DR, or does the liner completely take care of that issue?
@@ShastaBubba I come from the western part of Germany at the river Rhine . We always have humidity . In holidays I’m always heading to Norway , this year it was Iceland . Have condensation in rainy weather but way less then in my previous 1 person single wall . The inner Liner in the DR prevents any moisture to drop on my gear , and with my height of 5,9 I don’t even touch the walls with my head or Feet . U can buy foldable struts from Amazon they have the inner bungy cord . All u gotta do is measuring and cutting 4 times . If u have Instagram I can show u some pictures I have made for a German UL trekking Forum . Also sorry for my rusty English I hope I was able to describe everything properly . Last not but least let me give u the reason why I sold the SS : Even tho u get used to pitch the SS in a faster Time ( I also took 30 min first times pitching it ) it somehow annoyed me . And I needed a more versatile Tent to pitch on rocky Ground , was looking for a freestanding capable tent . The DR is not „really“ freestanding on its own but with trekking poles it can . It’s also way faster to pitch . It held up very good to strong winds in the Icelandic highlands or in Norway on Mountain Fjörds and if u watch Videos , the Lithium Version has not full Mesh Doors but a Part at the bottom is nylon (?) fabric that blocks wind from blowing through the tent . I recommend the Video by Backpackinglight. But the Stratosspire was my first choice because it’s so Storm proof . I just didnt liked the Pitching , it did frustrate me . The DR also won’t fit horizontally in my Pack and with the DR I can’t modd the Struts like with the SS . With the DR I have to carry the Poles outside on my Pack in a pouch in order to fit the tent itself smaller in its stuffsack / horizontally in my backpack . Hope this helped a little :) Greets from Germany
@@rodrev_hiking6757 Gruss aus Montana! Mach dir keine Sorgen, dein English is viel besser als mein Deutsch! I know what you mean about the pitch of the SS being frustrating -- that's one of the reasons I'm hoping to get a Durston Xmid someday. Thanks for the information about changing the struts. I probably won't do it, since I plan to only use the SS on rare occasions and will likely sell it on gear swap as soon as I score an Xmid. Vielen Dank!
I got one of the original drops on the x-mid 1p for 160$ and after about 40ish nights, I can say its probably the best non DCF shelters you can buy. Pitching the 1p is super easy, so I doubt the 2p would be much harder.
Hi, and thanks for your very informative vids! 👍 Now that the TT Double Rainbow come in a double wall version (and with new features), would you consider that over the X-mid? I think it’s roomy, quick to set up and maybe a better (i.e. stronger) outer fabric than the polyester? 🤔 Thanks and greetings from Denmark!
The Double Rainbow looks nice and I doubt anyone would be disappointed with it. However, the X-Mid 2p is 2" wider (132 cm), 4" longer (234 cm), 8 oz. lighter (1085 g) and $80 u.s. cheaper . . . so still leaning toward the X-Mid. Also, I believe the Sil-poly is actually a better material than sil-nylon, but that's a more esoteric debate I'll leave to the forums! ;-) Thanks for the question!
None of the cottage companies seem to make free-standing through. Here in Western Australia, any off-trail camping in the bush will be in very scrubby shrub, so a tiny footprint of a self-standing is great, my tension tents just are such a pain for more adventurous explorations. Also hiking in slot canyons where you’re camping on solid rock - a self standing is great. That said .. I keep collecting new tents 😬
True enough. I've occasionally pitched my mid using just rocks, which has worked, but would definitely be a PIA to do routinely. The TT Double Rainbow is the only one I know of that can be pitched freestanding. I wonder whether Terra Nova tents are more available down under and if they have anything workable that isn't ridiculously expensive?
I’ve also got the Durston x-mid 1p and it’s great except my trekking poles aren’t adjustable, so any sloping ground is hard to account for in the pitch. Very roomy inside.
Hello, thank you for sharing your thought process. I’m curious if you considered the Hilleberg Anaris when you were researching. I’m currently torn between the Anaris and the TT SS2. Any advice?
Hey, thanks for the question. I considered Hilleberg but discarded them quickly as being ridiculously overpriced and generally on the heavy side. The Anaris isn't bad weight wise, but at 47 inches, failed to meet my criteria of 50 inches wide (enough for two large pads), and, at $600 u.s., it's near the price range for dcf but for a sil-nylon tent?!! Since I made this video, I was able to score the tent I really wanted, the Durston Gear X-Mid 2p and I really like it alot, much better than the Stratospire 2 AND it's just $300 u.s. -- so best recommendation would be to look at that shelter. My next video will be a review of the X-Mid 2 and I'll have a tough time saying anything negative about it. Good luck!
Wow, thanks for the response :) Completely agree about the price… For me, the Hilleberg scores major style points if nothing else; though, I have heard that their Kerlon fabric is stronger than your average silnylon. I also like that it has a solid inner roof. Have you had any issues with the Durston or Stratospire condensing water through the mesh? I’ll be keeping an eye out for your X-mid 2 review!
@@michaelhull7307 No doubt, Hilleberg makes excellent tents and probably will last a lifetime. No condensation issues at all with either Strato or X-Mid. The Sil-poly material of the latter seems to dry quicker than sil-nylon as well, but that's not something I've studied objectively, just a sense.
Hey Dan, just out of curiosity, did you ever consider any of the gossamer gear tents? I know those are pretty popular nowadays and was wondering your opinion on them taking into account your criteria for this vid. Thanks!
Hey Jesse, thanks for the question. I did take a look at "The Two" but forgot to include that in the vid. The stats are a bit confusing on the website, because they state specifically that it can hold "two 25" wide, tapered pads" but also says the head end width is 48". Must be new math or something. ;-) The floor also tapers to 42" at the foot end, so I'm guessing that all means it would probably work but be a very snug fit. Otherwise, looks like a viable option for ultralight weight and price!
It's a shame you missed the X-Mid 2 , I managed to get a X-Mid 1 when they 1st came on the market and have never regretted that decision. I solo camp for the most part and normally use a Jungle Hammock but the need for a tent is always there. In my 78 years I have had a lot of tents ( even some cottage industry ones you mentioned ) and the X-mid 1 is the best thought out one I have owned. The reason for the Jungle Hammock is Florida and it's heat and humidity. 360 degree ventilation is nice and something you want. With the X-mid I can open both doors and get cross ventilation while remaining bug free.
Guess what? I was able to score an X-Mid2 in the latest drop! So I'll be putting it through the paces and making vids this summer both reviewing it and comparing with the Stratospire 2. Can't wait!
First off: thank you SO much for this. I hope I'm not the only one that will find the high amount of value in this video. I appreciate it greatly. :) And secondly, that X-mid 2p is looking very, very tasty haha. Polyester fabric for less sag, and those vents look nice. My area of the world does come with a lot of humidity nearly year round, but I just can't seem to let go of the Double Rainbow Li just yet. I need to know more on the vestibule side of things. But in all honesty it is looking more and more like the Stratospire 2 or waiting for a chance of getting an X-mid 2, is the way to go, when it will be primarily for 2p. I'll be watching this video more then the 3 times I have already, oh yes! Cheers again, Dan. Best Saturday morning in quite a while. :) Atb, André
Hey Andre! (don't know how to have my keyboard make the proper accent; sorry). So glad you enjoyed the vid and thanks again for the great idea. If you decide to go ahead with the Double Rainbow Li, I'd love to hear how it works out for you. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to resell on gear swap if you change your mind after a couple nights out with it. Happy trails and don't hold back if you have more questions/ideas for videos! Dan
@@ShastaBubba Absolutely! I would probably have to resell in Norway to make the most of it but that shouldn't be a problem either. The thing is, anything I buy from outside that gets imported, the total cost os product+shipping+import fee, and then adding 25% on the entire, total cost, with import tax. So it's 125% of the total regardless if the shipping is free or not, which it rarely is. Making everything a lot more expensive. Example, someone is selling the X-mid 2 on eBay, at a marked up price starting at $350. The total for me would be around $500, according to eBay. 😅 Making everything an investment. But it's how it is, just need to make sure I make the right one once I do. 😊 Eagerly awaiting Evo Speedgoats to replace my Lone Peaks, and I've got an order in for a custom LiteAF 46 full suspension pack. I have probably tried 10-15 packs the past 6-8 years, trying to find "the ones" (day and longer hauls). And sizing has been.. interesting. On paper it seems to have hit the nail on the head, being able to make it 'mine' in that regard. But that's still a couple months away in lead time. Oh well. 😊 Cheers again, Dan. André
@@ShastaBubba Sidenote; I saw DanD is making a 'Pro' model in DCF which will come out quicker then new batches of the regular 2p, which would be s dream, buuuuut it states it will be a single wall tent. Bummer!
@@VandrefalkTV Would love to hear how the LiteAF pack works for you. They seem like a good company and I've been waiting for an excuse to get something from them. The down side of having my gear pretty 'dialed in' is not having excuses to get more gear! Sucks about the import taxes, etc. Guess there's an opportunity for more European manufacturers of ultralight gear.
@@ShastaBubba Hi again, Dan! Not sure if you'll see this, but I ended up getting the Atom Packs "The Mo" in a custom variant, which has been great on little trips so far. I've also been sent a pack from Vargo called ExoTi Bog, which has an external frame made from Titanium. The size of the pack is pretty much the size of whatever waterproof rolltop bag you use. And I tell ya.. it's bringing back a lot of memories from my childhood wearing an external frame pack, and the way it 'forces' you to have a more straight back, which I enjoy. So far the ExoTi Bog backpack has been a welcomed surprice I must say, being so vercatile, adjustable, seemingly solid and just an all round great fit. Can't wait to try them both more! :)
You missed a freestanding tent that fits your requirements. The mountain Hardware strato UL 2. Comes in at 2.6 lbs. 50" wide floor for two 25" wide rectangular pads, and is around $375-450 which is pretty much what the tarptent stratospire 2 costs (after factory seam sealing). I'm currently trying to decide which way to go between these two tents... which is why I'm watching your vid. Thanks btw!
Hey, that's awesome; thanks for sharing this tent! At a glance, looks very comparable to the Strato, just a bit more expensive, but might be worth it for freestanding ability in the winter. Personally, I managed to score a Durston Xmid2 which, on paper, blows both tents out of the water, so I'll be making review videos as soon as I get it and give it a try. Cheers!
@@ShastaBubba Oh MAN! How did you get so lucky? I do like the freestanding ability of the strato ul2 but if I could get an x-mid 2 I'd DEFINITELY jump on it! I appreciate you getting back to me. Have fun out there!
YES!!! I was able to score an Xmid 2 and am waiting patiently (not) for it to be delivered and begin trying it out. Look for review vids sometime this summer!
@@ShastaBubba Nice. I got the Xmid 1p v2 and got in on the Xmid 2p Pro preorder. Super stoked. Probably going to get the solid inner 2p as well this summer.
Nice video. It is too bad we're so low on supply for the X-Mid. We are working on that, but with the outdoor gear industry being backlogged it's hard to catch up. We're now ordering a lot more tents but we won't have those until later next year. In the mean time we do have a few smaller batches arriving but they'll sell out quickly so people really need to be on the stock notification list to have a chance at one of those.
Thanks for the update Dan, I'll 'pin' your comment so others will be more likely to see it. I know I'm on the list; however, I suspect that the list is now much longer than the number of shelters being produced this go around. Congrats also on the rave review from Backpacking light!
@@ShastaBubba Thanks! Our next batch is a decent size (largest one yet) but yes the list is quite a bit longer still. We think it'll sell out somewhere between a few hours and a few days.
@@durstongear Very exciting!
@DanDurston my friend and I are trying to hold out for the X-Mid 2P drop but I was really needing one before our November trip. The recent update on the website says end of the year, do you happen know if there’s any chance it’ll be early enough to receive before November 18th? 😅😅😅 I have been debating forever it seems now, preferring the X-Mid but really considering the Stratospire 2 or the Six Moon Designs Haven Bundle (which is extremely similar to the Gossamer Gear The Two that I just sold in pursuit of a two wall). I sleep solo in my tent so the extra width is not exactly one of my priorities. Not knowing when we will have a chance to snag an X-Mid factors a lot in my decision. But I also do not have the budget (at all) to purchase more than one.
SO many things to consider! 🥴🥴🥴
@ShastaBubba Adventures I really appreciated this video as I had nearly the same thought process, and enjoyed your perspective. Thank you for sharing it with us!
@@amandatuley4881 Hey Amanda, I don't know whether Dan D. will see this comment, since he probably won't receive notice of it. You might try his YT channel or instagram instead. I suspect that, if he knew the exact date, he would already be broadcasting that and is just as much in the dark regarding when the production shop in Vietnam will be done as the rest of us. My suggestion would be to wait until mid October (allowing a month for shipping time), then if the drop hasn't happened, go with the Strat 2 or Haven. If you weren't happy with that choice, you could likely sell it on gear swap next year (minus 20%) and put that money toward the X-mid when they are more available. That's probably what I'll be doing myself!
Thanks for putting this together Dan. I just went through the same process earlier this year and ended up getting a Seek Outside Eolus, a hybrid single wall tarp with inner net nest. Did 155 miles on the Colorado Trail with my two older children (15 and 13) and the tent performed really well. We were able to deal with some of the condensation by pitching the tarp as high as my trekking poles would allow and leaving a door of the shell open on clear nights. Really enjoy listening to you articulate your thinking! Keep it up.
It's so great to hear that report about making a hybrid work for you; that really opens up some awesome possibilities, Seek Outside among them, certainly. Also, thanks for the encouraging words, greatly appreciate it!
I got the Strat 2 myself and absolutely love it.
It's a great option, for sure!
I have the X-Mid 2P and can speak to how wonderful it is. Your criteria matched mine plus I wanted a polyester tent and the X-mid ticked all my boxes. It’s easy and quick to set up. I love love the geometry of it too. You should splurge and get one when the next batch is available.
Thanks for that encouragement, I may have to!!
do you think its too big just for a one person who likes a roomy tent? 1P tents make me feel clostrofobick.
@@helpfulcommenter If you feel claustrophobic in 1P tents you'll find the X-mid 2P nice and roomy. Get onto the stock notification email list so you can find out when the X-Mid batches are being available to order.
Excellent comparative review.
Glad you enjoyed it, Thanks!!
I once asked Henry Shires of Tarptent if there was a way to enlarge the simple 4 stake design of the Notch up to a 2 person sized tent.
He said unfortunately not. The pitch loc ends would have to be enormous , requiring removing and reinstalling them every pitch.
Complicating a simple tent...so the Stratospire remains the go-to double wall.
When shopping for a two person tent for my wife and I, I discarded the SS Li for one of the reasons you mentioned; only 45". (If I remember correctly, the reason the SS Li is smaller than the SS2 has to do with the size of the dcf fabric roll; the extra 5 inches would have increased the price considerably)
I can't imagine how complex designing a shelter would be. Really makes one appreciate the tents that has stood the test of time!
Great Video! I’m a big fan of Dan as well. We need creative geniuses in these times. Innovators that inspire us. Great Artist to bring us all together. Durston’s creation does that. I really hope you get one.
Thanks man, same to you!
I have the Scarp 1 and was looking at the stratosphere, so thanks for this. Great delivery.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and I appreciate the feedback!
Enjoyed the video and the methodical way you evaluated the options. Just went through the same process after a leaky tent ruined a Winds backpacking trip this summer. Ended up ordering the Zpacks Altaplex for the DCF fabric and extremely light weight. This will be my first DCF and single wall tent and looking forward to trying it out soon in the Smokies.
Good luck with the Altaplex; it's certainly a very popular option and might be worth dealing with occasional condensation for the weight benefit. Let us know what you think of it after a few trips!!!
I'm getting back into camping after a couple of decades away, and I just bought a hammock setup, and I STILL want one of those Durston tents. Kicking myself for not getting one last year when I had the chance.
Should be more opportunities soon! Would love to hear how the hammock works out for you.
@@ShastaBubba I'll let you know. Just too damn humid in Virginia right now, but it won't be long until it breaks. I really enjoy your channel, by the way.
@@dennisfenton5647 Thanks so much! Praying for fall weather here too.
Thank you for sharing and wishing you a lovely weekend.
Thank you! You too!
You went through a lot of the same thought processes that I did. Interesting video
Thanks so much!
Thanks for the sharing your process in deciding which tent to get. I went through that last spring and looked at many of the same tents. I was fortunate to get the DD X-Mid 2P and then later the 1P. I’ll be using the 2P in situations where I’m less concerned about the huge footprint of the tent, and the 1P on my planned AT attempt in the fall. I’ve been really happy with quality and construction of both. These also take some practice setting up to make sure they’re square. I really didn’t feel I could do my usual first setup process of doing so at the campsite in the dark (probably in the rain too)
Wow, you were prescient to score both shelters early on, congrats and thanks for sharing your impressions. Really hope to snag one myself in time. Happy trails!
I have pretty much the same criteria. I went down the same road and came to a choice of two tents. Firstly, the X-Mid 2 and secondly, the new Tarptent Double Rainbow Double Wall (DW). Both of these have a width of 50" for the inner. I tried to get the X-Mid 2 in the recent new batch but failed miserably so went with the Double Rainbow DW. Sadly, I've found that having 2 long wide pads ( I have 2 x Nemo tensor Alpine LW pads ) is just a bit of a pinch with this tent. Yes, it sort of JUST fits but not really.
I think you made the right choice with the Stratospire 2 having the extra width to 52". I think that 2" is quite a lot extra and needed in this case.
I haven't had the ability to try 2 wide long rectangular pads in the X-Mid 2 but something tells me it will also be tight if 50" wide, not 52" like you have.
Hey thanks for the info; didn't know they started making a DW version of the Double Rainbow! Re: the X-Mid 2, I failed too, but luckily, a friend had quicker fingers on the ordering button and is helping me out, so I'll be able to compare the X-Mid 2 and Strat 2 side-by-side soon, so I'll be sure to let you know how the two pads fit.
@@ShastaBubba I certainly look forward to getting your thoughts on that. The new DR DW from tarptent is a superb design. Just a little tight on that 2x 25” width requirement. The features on the double rainbow are brilliant. I’m going to try and create a workaround for the inner if I can.
I am literally shopping for this same thing. Double wall, around 2 pounds, trekking pole setup that can take 2 double wide pads. I came to the stratospire 2 or the durston gear x-mid 2 which is almost impossible to get. thanks for the review!!!
Hope it was helpful. Dan D. has been promising a new drop of x-mids will be available "in the fall" which, by my calculations is any week now. If you want one, better get on his mailing list because I expect them to sell out in a day or two.
@@ShastaBubba durston website was recently updated, shows "end of 2021 " now.
@@dominictenorio4743 Ouch! Thanks for the update.
I have the Durston XMID 2P and I love it! Easy to set up once you have done it a few times. Great review of the tents. ⛺️ Thanks 🙏
Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing your experience!!
Kia Ora Dan, I can relate to your commenting on how finicky the Stratospire is to set up . I had a right ol' time trying to do so with the printed instructions that came enclosed with mine . Eventually I worked out a different way that now seems to work . It is a great tent however I only use it car-camping with my wife . 'Tis a palace for us compared to the Big Agnes Copper Spur 2 that we had in the past ! BTW, I am very impressed to see a copy of " Prairy Erth ( a deep map ) upon one of your bookshelves. One of the best books I've ever read . Keep up the good work - I do enjoy your channel . Take care , Shane W.
Kia ora kōrua Shane (I googled it!) and thanks for the kind words. I'm afraid it's true that the only thing I collect faster than backpacking gear is books! Cheers!
I owned the SS li and Modded the struts from 16 to foldable 8 inch . That way it Packs horizontally in my Pack and u can leave the struts in. Bought alu struts off from amazon. The thinner ones idont remember the diameter.
I Sold the SS li and got my a Double Rainbow Li with Liner .
Mainly in Norway and Iceland .
DR is the perfect tent for me
Thanks for the tip and feedback! How did you make the struts foldable? Cut and tape? or did they come with a internal bungy string like free-standing tent poles? Great idea though. Also, and troubles with condensation in the DR, or does the liner completely take care of that issue?
@@ShastaBubba I come from the western part of Germany at the river Rhine . We always have humidity . In holidays I’m always heading to Norway , this year it was Iceland . Have condensation in rainy weather but way less then in my previous 1 person single wall . The inner Liner in the DR prevents any moisture to drop on my gear , and with my height of 5,9 I don’t even touch the walls with my head or Feet .
U can buy foldable struts from Amazon they have the inner bungy cord . All u gotta do is measuring and cutting 4 times . If u have Instagram I can show u some pictures I have made for a German UL trekking Forum .
Also sorry for my rusty English I hope I was able to describe everything properly .
Last not but least let me give u the reason why I sold the SS :
Even tho u get used to pitch the SS in a faster Time ( I also took 30 min first times pitching it ) it somehow annoyed me .
And I needed a more versatile Tent to pitch on rocky Ground , was looking for a freestanding capable tent .
The DR is not „really“ freestanding on its own but with trekking poles it can .
It’s also way faster to pitch .
It held up very good to strong winds in the Icelandic highlands or in Norway on Mountain Fjörds and if u watch Videos , the Lithium Version has not full Mesh Doors but a Part at the bottom is nylon (?) fabric that blocks wind from blowing through the tent .
I recommend the Video by Backpackinglight.
But the Stratosspire was my first choice because it’s so Storm proof . I just didnt liked the Pitching , it did frustrate me .
The DR also won’t fit horizontally in my Pack and with the DR I can’t modd the Struts like with the SS .
With the DR I have to carry the Poles outside on my Pack in a pouch in order to fit the tent itself smaller in its stuffsack / horizontally in my backpack .
Hope this helped a little :)
Greets from Germany
@@rodrev_hiking6757 Gruss aus Montana! Mach dir keine Sorgen, dein English is viel besser als mein Deutsch!
I know what you mean about the pitch of the SS being frustrating -- that's one of the reasons I'm hoping to get a Durston Xmid someday. Thanks for the information about changing the struts. I probably won't do it, since I plan to only use the SS on rare occasions and will likely sell it on gear swap as soon as I score an Xmid.
Vielen Dank!
Great and clear review. Greetings from Sweden
Glad it was helpful!
I got one of the original drops on the x-mid 1p for 160$ and after about 40ish nights, I can say its probably the best non DCF shelters you can buy. Pitching the 1p is super easy, so I doubt the 2p would be much harder.
Lucky man! Thanks for sharing your experience with the Xmid.
the big question here is how does it deal with high winds in the mountains?
Hi, and thanks for your very informative vids! 👍 Now that the TT Double Rainbow come in a double wall version (and with new features), would you consider that over the X-mid? I think it’s roomy, quick to set up and maybe a better (i.e. stronger) outer fabric than the polyester? 🤔 Thanks and greetings from Denmark!
The Double Rainbow looks nice and I doubt anyone would be disappointed with it. However, the X-Mid 2p is 2" wider (132 cm), 4" longer (234 cm), 8 oz. lighter (1085 g) and $80 u.s. cheaper . . . so still leaning toward the X-Mid. Also, I believe the Sil-poly is actually a better material than sil-nylon, but that's a more esoteric debate I'll leave to the forums! ;-) Thanks for the question!
None of the cottage companies seem to make free-standing through. Here in Western Australia, any off-trail camping in the bush will be in very scrubby shrub, so a tiny footprint of a self-standing is great, my tension tents just are such a pain for more adventurous explorations. Also hiking in slot canyons where you’re camping on solid rock - a self standing is great.
That said .. I keep collecting new tents 😬
True enough. I've occasionally pitched my mid using just rocks, which has worked, but would definitely be a PIA to do routinely. The TT Double Rainbow is the only one I know of that can be pitched freestanding. I wonder whether Terra Nova tents are more available down under and if they have anything workable that isn't ridiculously expensive?
I’ve also got the Durston x-mid 1p and it’s great except my trekking poles aren’t adjustable, so any sloping ground is hard to account for in the pitch. Very roomy inside.
@@fayleya3865 Good to know; thanks Fayley!
Hello, thank you for sharing your thought process. I’m curious if you considered the Hilleberg Anaris when you were researching. I’m currently torn between the Anaris and the TT SS2. Any advice?
Hey, thanks for the question. I considered Hilleberg but discarded them quickly as being ridiculously overpriced and generally on the heavy side. The Anaris isn't bad weight wise, but at 47 inches, failed to meet my criteria of 50 inches wide (enough for two large pads), and, at $600 u.s., it's near the price range for dcf but for a sil-nylon tent?!!
Since I made this video, I was able to score the tent I really wanted, the Durston Gear X-Mid 2p and I really like it alot, much better than the Stratospire 2 AND it's just $300 u.s. -- so best recommendation would be to look at that shelter. My next video will be a review of the X-Mid 2 and I'll have a tough time saying anything negative about it. Good luck!
Wow, thanks for the response :) Completely agree about the price… For me, the Hilleberg scores major style points if nothing else; though, I have heard that their Kerlon fabric is stronger than your average silnylon. I also like that it has a solid inner roof. Have you had any issues with the Durston or Stratospire condensing water through the mesh? I’ll be keeping an eye out for your X-mid 2 review!
@@michaelhull7307 No doubt, Hilleberg makes excellent tents and probably will last a lifetime. No condensation issues at all with either Strato or X-Mid. The Sil-poly material of the latter seems to dry quicker than sil-nylon as well, but that's not something I've studied objectively, just a sense.
Thanks for sharing that. It’s greatly appreciated 🙏
Hey Dan, just out of curiosity, did you ever consider any of the gossamer gear tents? I know those are pretty popular nowadays and was wondering your opinion on them taking into account your criteria for this vid. Thanks!
Hey Jesse, thanks for the question. I did take a look at "The Two" but forgot to include that in the vid. The stats are a bit confusing on the website, because they state specifically that it can hold "two 25" wide, tapered pads" but also says the head end width is 48". Must be new math or something. ;-) The floor also tapers to 42" at the foot end, so I'm guessing that all means it would probably work but be a very snug fit. Otherwise, looks like a viable option for ultralight weight and price!
It's a shame you missed the X-Mid 2 , I managed to get a X-Mid 1 when they 1st came on the market and have never regretted that decision. I solo camp for the most part and normally use a Jungle Hammock but the need for a tent is always there. In my 78 years I have had a lot of tents ( even some cottage industry ones you mentioned ) and the X-mid 1 is the best thought out one I have owned. The reason for the Jungle Hammock is Florida and it's heat and humidity. 360 degree ventilation is nice and something you want. With the X-mid I can open both doors and get cross ventilation while remaining bug free.
Guess what? I was able to score an X-Mid2 in the latest drop! So I'll be putting it through the paces and making vids this summer both reviewing it and comparing with the Stratospire 2. Can't wait!
First off: thank you SO much for this. I hope I'm not the only one that will find the high amount of value in this video. I appreciate it greatly. :) And secondly, that X-mid 2p is looking very, very tasty haha. Polyester fabric for less sag, and those vents look nice. My area of the world does come with a lot of humidity nearly year round, but I just can't seem to let go of the Double Rainbow Li just yet. I need to know more on the vestibule side of things. But in all honesty it is looking more and more like the Stratospire 2 or waiting for a chance of getting an X-mid 2, is the way to go, when it will be primarily for 2p. I'll be watching this video more then the 3 times I have already, oh yes! Cheers again, Dan. Best Saturday morning in quite a while. :) Atb, André
Hey Andre! (don't know how to have my keyboard make the proper accent; sorry). So glad you enjoyed the vid and thanks again for the great idea. If you decide to go ahead with the Double Rainbow Li, I'd love to hear how it works out for you. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to resell on gear swap if you change your mind after a couple nights out with it.
Happy trails and don't hold back if you have more questions/ideas for videos! Dan
@@ShastaBubba Absolutely! I would probably have to resell in Norway to make the most of it but that shouldn't be a problem either. The thing is, anything I buy from outside that gets imported, the total cost os product+shipping+import fee, and then adding 25% on the entire, total cost, with import tax. So it's 125% of the total regardless if the shipping is free or not, which it rarely is. Making everything a lot more expensive. Example, someone is selling the X-mid 2 on eBay, at a marked up price starting at $350. The total for me would be around $500, according to eBay. 😅 Making everything an investment. But it's how it is, just need to make sure I make the right one once I do. 😊 Eagerly awaiting Evo Speedgoats to replace my Lone Peaks, and I've got an order in for a custom LiteAF 46 full suspension pack. I have probably tried 10-15 packs the past 6-8 years, trying to find "the ones" (day and longer hauls). And sizing has been.. interesting. On paper it seems to have hit the nail on the head, being able to make it 'mine' in that regard. But that's still a couple months away in lead time. Oh well. 😊 Cheers again, Dan. André
@@ShastaBubba Sidenote; I saw DanD is making a 'Pro' model in DCF which will come out quicker then new batches of the regular 2p, which would be s dream, buuuuut it states it will be a single wall tent. Bummer!
@@VandrefalkTV Would love to hear how the LiteAF pack works for you. They seem like a good company and I've been waiting for an excuse to get something from them. The down side of having my gear pretty 'dialed in' is not having excuses to get more gear! Sucks about the import taxes, etc. Guess there's an opportunity for more European manufacturers of ultralight gear.
@@ShastaBubba Hi again, Dan! Not sure if you'll see this, but I ended up getting the Atom Packs "The Mo" in a custom variant, which has been great on little trips so far. I've also been sent a pack from Vargo called ExoTi Bog, which has an external frame made from Titanium. The size of the pack is pretty much the size of whatever waterproof rolltop bag you use. And I tell ya.. it's bringing back a lot of memories from my childhood wearing an external frame pack, and the way it 'forces' you to have a more straight back, which I enjoy. So far the ExoTi Bog backpack has been a welcomed surprice I must say, being so vercatile, adjustable, seemingly solid and just an all round great fit. Can't wait to try them both more! :)
I'm looking between durston gear x-mid 2 and locus gear khufu dcf.what do you think it would be better ?
The LG Khufu is better for one person; X-Mid 2 better for two, or if on a budget. Happy trails either way!
thank you !
You're welcome! 😎
You missed a freestanding tent that fits your requirements. The mountain Hardware strato UL 2. Comes in at 2.6 lbs. 50" wide floor for two 25" wide rectangular pads, and is around $375-450 which is pretty much what the tarptent stratospire 2 costs (after factory seam sealing).
I'm currently trying to decide which way to go between these two tents... which is why I'm watching your vid. Thanks btw!
Hey, that's awesome; thanks for sharing this tent! At a glance, looks very comparable to the Strato, just a bit more expensive, but might be worth it for freestanding ability in the winter.
Personally, I managed to score a Durston Xmid2 which, on paper, blows both tents out of the water, so I'll be making review videos as soon as I get it and give it a try. Cheers!
@@ShastaBubba Oh MAN! How did you get so lucky? I do like the freestanding ability of the strato ul2 but if I could get an x-mid 2 I'd DEFINITELY jump on it!
I appreciate you getting back to me. Have fun out there!
this guy seems cool as hell
Thanks!
Gotta start a durston x mid fund! Lol
Good plan. Got one coming through the help of a friend!
@@ShastaBubba sweet! I hear all good thongs about them.
Were you able to get a X-Mid?
YES!!! I was able to score an Xmid 2 and am waiting patiently (not) for it to be delivered and begin trying it out. Look for review vids sometime this summer!
@@ShastaBubba Nice. I got the Xmid 1p v2 and got in on the Xmid 2p Pro preorder. Super stoked.
Probably going to get the solid inner 2p as well this summer.
@@lakorai2 Wow! Nice job on the quick ordering. Hope you have many happy nights on the trail with those!
@@ShastaBubba I was able to score the solid 2p as well. Boufht right at 11am est.
@@lakorai2 Woo Hoo! Happy trails with it!