Love your reviews they are really amazing! It actually lead me to contact Locus Gear. Im 190 cm/6'3 long so I contacted LG about the Khufu and they responded that they could make a mid that they call the Khufu Grande which is 300 cm long and 140 cm tall for very little added cost. Obviously they do a lot of custom work and have a lot of different models that aren't even on their website. Even though their tents cost a lot it seems like their custom work is very competitively priced and their customer service seems outstanding. I live in Sweden and unfortunately they couldn't ship here under current circumstances but Im impressed and might go for the Khufu Grande when they can deliver again. I think MLD makes great stuff too and I like the look of Bear Paw designs inners but I think Im leaning towards LG. Anyway, I got a question, how tall are you? Thanks for your fantastic videos, so informative and well made.
Wow, thanks so much for your kind words and for sharing your interactions with LG. I agree that you 'get what you pay for' and if a person plans to use their gear for a long time, it's worth the investment. Just really painful in the beginning! To answer your question, I'm 6' even. Good luck with the shelter quest!
Hi Karl I noticed we liked the same tent and were the same height. I would be interested to know if you bought this tent and your thoughts. I was considering the standard size and maybe sleeping diagonally using the A frame set up?
@@jamesdunlop5796 Hi, actually I didn't buy it but it was because of changes in my job situation and I felt I couldn't justify the purchase. With that said its still on my buying list. But I trust that it would be a good size because I emailed them the following info. Im 190cm tall, 10cm thick sleeping pad and the loft of my sleeping bag is 10 cm and that I want to avoid hitting the wall. The response was that they thought the offerings on their website wasn't suitable for me and that they recommended a larger version 3m long and 140cm tall. So in other words it was based on my specific measurements. Weather diagonal sleeping with an A-frame would work I have no idea but if I were to guess I would say it might still be a problem because they have a very defined catenary cut on their tarps, I think it's more of a catenary cut compared to MLD as an example. I kind of love the idea of an A-frame though as that mid pole steal so much space but I've also heard that it can be a hassle to get a good pitch in uneven terrain so I don't know but if I buy later I will definitely get the A-frame add on too because if it works than its a no brainer for me.
Good day to you! I am a senior rider on HONDA Cross Cub from Japan. I am enjoying camping ,touring and upload video. This is so nice Khufu video! Awesome! Have a nice day my friend!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Great job!! I watched the whole thing and I am not even in the market for a shelter. You did a great job highlighting all the details along with the pros and cons and will make me think more about my next DIY build. You asked about bonding failures. I figure I might as well say something regarding them as I was actually the one who started the whole sewn vs bonded controversy many many years ago. I had 3M lab test some seams for me when I was making cuben fiber drybags and shelters. They were helping me to find the best bonding adhesive as bonded cuben fiber drybags stuffed with down sleeping bags would sometimes fail at the long vertical seam in cold weather. The down bag would push the seam apart. What they found in the lab was exactly what was observed in the field. Bond only seams are weak in cold weather. They just quantified it for me. The cold weather significantly weakend the bond strength. I am not sure how to attach the documents to this comment or if that is even possible? But it's definitely in black and white. Not sure if I ever posted those publicly before or not.. I found that bonding and then sewing was the ideal seam for cuben fiber. The bond would support the load and the stitches would keep it all together. This improved seams was by far the strongest in ALL conditions. Most gear makers do not employ such a seam as it's more labor intensive which also means more costly to produce. Also PS. Thanks for mentioning my cord in your video. Always makes me smile to see something I produced mentioned in a video for the whole world to see. Thanks again! Lawson
Thanks for the kind words Lawson, and also for sharing your experiences with bonded seams. I had read through that thread on BPL, but forgot that it began with you by the time I got to the end. Guess you're right that the best possible option is a combination of bonding and sewing; makes me feel fortunate that I got my Khufu when they were still doing it that way. Keep doing the great work that you do!
Wow. Thank you for posting this review. I live in Japan considering to purchase the Khufu, but could not find a comprehensive review... This video made me 100% confident on buying a Khufu. Thank you so much. Looking forward to your videos.
@@munster786 Hi Mohamed, I have the Tyvek and the DCF versions, and the Tyvek is more durable when it comes to punctures and abrasions, but obviously not as strong as the DCF.
Thank you for explaining the DPTE option. I really liked the features of the Khufu but nixed it when I saw that center pole. The DPTE option did not sink in with me while on the Locus Gear site. Came back and watched your vid a second time and now I finally understand!
Thanks so much, glad it was useful! The two-pole option for pitching is probably my favorite feature and one advantage over the Duomid, which is taller and so requires longer extra pole jacks to pitch that way.
Another great review. It would be nice to see some footage of the tent in windy/harsh conditions. Also the setting up process in those conditions. Maybe next time :-) All the best from Norway!
Thanks Erik! I'll have to do a 'follow up' shot from a trip video when I experience those conditions. I'm sure others would also like to see that. It's not the same for me to just describe it, but there's just some minor flapping, no bowing in of any side, as happens with many freestanding tents.
Best Khufu review on youtube. I recently bought this shelter and vids on youtube are really rare, so I would love any content related to it. When the wind picks up do you change your tie out configuration so your side panel guylines are longer?
Glad it was helpful! I haven't needed to change that side-panel tie out, but I also haven't been in winds above apx. 35 mph. That would be a good idea if I do encounter higher winds, so thanks for the suggestion!!!
Nice video! This was really well done. I personally think that there is a place for heat bonding and sewing. Where you need a little more strength like your ridgelines it’s nice to have your DCF sewn but things like the bottom of your shelter really only need bonding.
The vent will provide an escape for warm air and that flow will hopefully pull in cooler air from underneath when the door is closed. I'm not sure what to say about the mesh vent covering, except that there is no harm in leaving it in place.
Mainly just when I expect there to be bugs, so in the northern Rockies, that means June-July. I also began taking it in the late fall (like October) to help with wind block and rain splatter.
Hi Dan. Thanks for a really nice review! I was wondering if this tent is to small for me, I am 189 cm tall. I am specifically refering to the innertent. Would it be possbile to sew a couple of loops to the innernet, and connect them to the tarp with a dcf patch with a loop attached. I know that some companies sell these. I should give me a little more headroom
That might work. I believe you would only need one loop in the middle of each end (opposite from the external tie-out). It would be good to also take a look at the MLD Duomid as well, which has been increased in size since I bought mine, and might be a better fit for you.
great review got one on order just gotta wait 4 months 😢 but looking forward to using on my next thru hike next year for now my trusty Nordisk will do atb daz
Love you’re reviews! I’m shopping for a mid I’m interested in the height of the Khufu in the 2-pole mode And how high it can be pitched in 2-pole mode Thanks
Thanks so much, really appreciate the complement and question! Re: pitch height, it's not really affected by using 2 poles verses one pole due to the additional length of the DPTE, which adds 12" (30.48cm), thus compensating for the angle. I usually extend my poles full length (130cm), insert into the shelter, then 'tighten' the pitch as needed by pulling the bases (bottom of the poles) inward. Pitch height varies depending on placement of the stakes really, and I've never had an issue with wanting it pitched higher. For reference, I'm 6' (182.88cm) tall and there are scenes in the vid that show me sitting in the mid, so you can get and idea from that what the head clearance is.
Man, I'm really greatful for this review, so thank you so much for that. That's why I definetly consider purchaising it. What I'm a bit concerned about is pitching in rain with the inner with just one pole in the middle. Can you help me in this point? Just one pole, because I don't hike with trekking poles and locus gear also mention, that it takes a little longer to set up with the DPTE than with one pole. Have a good time and best wishes from Germany
Vielen Dank! It's no problem to set up in the rain with one pole; the pole goes inside the inner, which has a patch on the floor to protect the floor from the pole. The outside peak of the inner attaches to the inside peak of the tarp with a bungy loop, so they can stay together if you want. Raising the tent with the DPTE takes a bit (seconds?) longer because it fits inbetween the tarp and the inner, so you raise the tarp, then attach the inner. This really isn't a problem, because you are basically working inside the tarp at that point and not getting wet. Viel spass!
Great video, it's so hard to come across a solid review on this tent. Thank you so much! What are your thoughts on their DCF-eVent version of this tent. Do you think it will help with condensation? Not sure if it's worth the extra weight or money, but I imagine the pack size is slightly smaller.
Glad it was helpful! Re: the DCF-eVent version, found this helpful discussion: www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/a9rxuv/talk_me_out_of_buying_a_dcfevent_shelter_from/ Note the responses from Dan Durston and Franco Darioli -- both are folks who know lots about shelters!
At the moment I'm using the hubba hubba and X-mid, but have had my eyes om this for a Long time. I have been thinking about going for the half inner and only using one pole, but I can see the great bennefit of using two poles like you do. Nice to have this option as well on other trips. Great to hear someone who have had that much experience with the khufu. How Long does it takes you to set it up when everything goes smoothly?
Hi just found your channel watched a couple of interesting videos on the Khufu shelter. I am wondering if I could use this shelter- I am 6 ft 3. I seen that the inner tent which would always need in Scotland would keep my sleeping bag from hitting the outer fly. Do you think I would be better sleeping diagonally to gain more sleeping length. I noticed on their website they would make a longer tent but I have not enquired. Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated James
I'm 6' even and my head and feet just touch the ends of the inner mesh, so I'm doubtful that you would gain enough extra by sleeping diagonally to be comfortable (depending on your tolerance for being cramped). You might be happier with a longer version, or one of the larger versions of the MLD Duomid. Cheers!
Hi and thanks for your review. You told, that the bugs were going to the top but what is up with the miscitos? Are they also coming into the tent, if the door is closed? My question is, is the inner tent really necessary?
Mosquitoes act the same way as the other flying insects, which means that I can get away with not bringing the inner tent even when there are likely to be only a few of them. For me, the inner tent is very useful in two circumstances: first, early season hikes when the mosquitoes are likely to be bad, and late season due to wind and rain splashing. I've been in heavy rain without the inner tent and been fine, but have greater peace of mind with it in those conditions. Generally, I go with just the tarp from mid-July through the end of September (here in the northern Rockies, USA). Thanks for the question and for watching!
Yes! I don't think you would have any problem with getting your dog in from the rain. People often say about these mids that, although they're considered a '2-person' shelter, they're really more of a 1+ (the plus being a dog or small child). Happy hiking with your buddy!!
Hey Dan, are you experiencing any permanent stretching on the fabric? I see wrinkles and deforming on some used DCF tents, leading to the inability to keep a tight pitch. Are you still using this tent?
Still using the tent and, like all dcf, it's very wrinkled with use/age, but okay with a tight pitch for the most part. I have noticed some slack along the top (short) edge that can't be tightened because if I move the corner stake, it just puts slack in the long side. I had guessed it was due to uneven ground or a lazy pitch, but you may be correct regarding some deforming over time. Hasn't been a problem, but I also haven't been in a big storm/wind lately either.
Great question! I'd estimate 75-90 pitches so far and no troubles at all with the zipper. Been more than a few occasions when I was dead tired and forgot to be careful with it too!
Nice to see a new video! I am in two minds between MLD Solomid XL and Khufu. I with you could compare those two models as Duomid is just a bit an overkill for me. I am 5.8 and looking for a bombproof shelter. I own a Sierra Designs High route 1(first gen. made by Andrew Skurka) and just want a little lighter and wind resistant shelter. May be you could add something on behalf of MLD Solomid XL?
Thanks Roman and thanks for the question. Comparing these three shelters is tricky; there are differences, but really fairly minor differences. As I have not used (or even seen) the Solomid XL, I'm just looking at the numbers here. Length-wise, the progression is thus: Khufu is shortest (106"), then Solomid (108"), then Duomid (110"), then Solomid XL at a whopping 114"! So the MLD tarps are all longer, but the Khufu is wider than all but the Duomid. Since I'm 6' and fine with the length of the Khufu, I think the Solomid XL would be overkill in length for you at 5.8. Personally, I would rather have the width in order to have lots of gear space and/or vestibule next to me versus unused length. From a weight standpoint, just comparing the sil versions of all the above, the Solomid is 14 oz. and the Khufu is 16.5 (but with considerably more width), so I would guess you would be happy with either (although the Solomid would be cheaper). I'd love to hear back from you what you decide and how it works out. Happy trails!
@@ShastaBubba , I am leaning towards Solomid as my gear list is small already and all the gear fits under my current 275/120 pyramid with lots of additional space. Truly speaking I like MLD a little bit more as Ron uses YYK number 5 zipper and has two button closures in the middle of the zipper so you can leave your door partially open. Except this and your comments on width there hardly anything else. Probably I will go with MLD!
I still take the Khufu on longer trips when I want to save weight and it's still my favorite all around shelter. The X-Mid 2p is just a little longer though, so I can sleep without grazing my head/feet on the mesh, so that's more comfortable on shorter trips where I don't might the extra weight. I'm 6 ft. even, by the way. I think they are equally storm proof; maybe a slight edge to the Khufu for not having a 'long' side to accidentally pitch toward the wind, like the X-Mid and because the stakes are just a little less likely to pull out.
Yep, still using and loving it. I honestly think it's the best all-around solo shelter available (MLD Duomid being a close second). You can see it in the trip video I just published on Gunsight Pass in Glacier National Park.
@@ShastaBubba I just watched your new video. It was fantastic as usual. I loved your mountain goat encounters. ( I wish Locus Gear offered DCF inserts. ) Do you know of another tent manufacturer that offers the two angled tent pole setup like the Locus Gear Khufu ? I bought the HMG Ultamid 2 for my trip to WY but sold it as soon as I got back because it was a little too big and I didnt like the center pole getting in the way. I would love to find a DCF tent with a DCF insert with the two angle pole setup like the Khufu that was also a little smaller than the Ultamid 2.
@@newlifeeveryday1821 I think MLD would be your best bet for a dcf inner. Personally, I prefer the silnylon floor as being more durable for not much more weight and way cheaper.
Still would like tent manufacturers to make a shelter for tall folks that are 6’5”. I ended up getting a MLD solomid XXL based on your recommendation but it too is a bit short.
Sorry the Solomid didn't work out for you Baron. It's tough to fall outside the 'average' size with everything you buy, I imagine. Even though I had some condensation problems with it, I wonder if you would be happier with the Solong 6 from Lighheart Gear -- it's 100 inches (254cm) long! It's a really nice tent if you don't mind using a pack towel to manage condensation. If you wanted, you would probably have no difficulty selling your Solomid on Gear Swap at Backpackinglight.com or r/ultralightgeartrade, and that would provide some cash to apply to the next shelter.
ShastaBubba Adventures Thanks for the reply. The solong is 3.5-4 lbs and has the same problem with sharply angled walls. Until zpacks comes out with a XL altaplex or duplex, which I’ve been lobbying them for, I’m kinda stuck.
@@barondavis5692 I believe the Solong 6 is actually 2 lbs. (based on the website), plus a couple oz. for seam sealing. Also, it's wide enough to sleep cornerwise and that might gain enough to overcome the walls concern. I've been wondering whether the solomid might work for you if it was pitched higher? Just a thought.
@@barondavis5692 Hi, just thought I would chip in with a little advice here. I know a guy that sells the Solong and he says it is the best tent there is lengthwise for tall people and that people up to 6'8 can sleep in it comfortably. The reason is that besides being 100 inches long inside it also has corner struts so the fly is lifted up a bit from your head- and foot end. You should have no problem fitting in that tent. As already mentioned it ways quite exactly 2lbs. If you want a mid like MLDs tents and are willing to pay more, look at my first comment at the top of the comment section. Locus Gear adds a very small cost for customizing their tents to your needs. The initial cost is pretty high though.
Unfortunately I use my shelter as a Basecamp and spend 3 months in Europe camping. As most shelters are nylon I find the UV kills the shelters no matter how expensive. I have no experience with DCF .
Thanks for this tip! I've been researching this tent and have to say that it looks like a good option for someone new to backpacking who doesn't know whether they're going to like it enough to invest in quality gear. Having said that, consider that the Luxe Minipeak with the 2p inner comes in at over 4 lbs, so very far from ultralight (vs. LG Khufu and inner at 24 oz.). Also, made in China and potential durability issues due to not being true 'rip-stop' material. Still, I might grab one for the wife's car camping.
Somewhat. There are 'wood ticks' in the spring, but only in May-June and not really problematic (disgusting though)! According to DPHHS Montana, there are no deer ticks in MT, so no fears for Lyme disease. Thanks for the question. I imagine it's different where you hike?
ShastaBubba Adventures Yes I am in upstate NY where ticks and Lyme disease is a concern. That is the only reason I would not use a tarp and ground sheet here but I did not see the end of your video where you show the inner lining before I made my comment.
@@jdspep3210 We definitely need to tailor the gear used to local conditions. Hope you get a chance to hike in the northern Rockies some day (if you haven't already); although it's amazing where you are too! Happy trails!
Funny you should mention that . . . as it happens, I just now got up the courage to cut the net out. The edges of that small triangle are highly reinforced, so no change to the way the mid holds it's shape. Good to consider that aspect though. Thanks!
ShastaBubba Adventures Good to know! I thought that way mainly because there is no other sense in having that net: if you use the bug net, that net is useless. If you don’t use the bug net, that upper net is useless again, since all the base perimeter is open... 🤔 Anyway, more air flow and less weight: if the shape is intact evrything is ok.👍
Sigh. I am clearly at the mercy of inexperience pitfalls. Sooo, I bought my pack first, I have purchased almost all my gear however I have yet to choose a shelter. I have been researching shelters for a good 3 months now and I really need to get moving. For me though it's a big deal, a big purchase, I really need to get it right on the first try if I am going to spend over $500. I had looked at the Lanshan1, the Nemo Hornet 1 and 2, the Tarpent Aeon Li, Rainbow Li and Notch Li, now not all of those tents require seam sealing but I think that is something I want to stay away from for now. I looked at HMD Dirigo and Ultamid and I seem to be in the back of my head comparing them all to the Zpacks Duplex ... Ultamid seemed a little large to me. And in all this, I am just drowning in rookie juices. I don't have any friends or professionals really to talk this over with but what I am looking to do is try the PNT next year. Now ... after pretty much being okay with purchasing the Duplex ... I re-came across the Aeon Li ... which led me to the Khufu. I went to Locus Gear and they have the Khufu in eVent or DCF probably just stay with DCF but I really like the idea of having the versatility of the Mids. I like the double wall, I like the way you can change what you bring aspect, or pack it all for like under 2 pounds. Now I am looking at the MLD Duomid (regular or xl) with a solo mesh inner. It's just so dang hard to pull the trigger on something that I know, no matter how much research I do, I am just not getting into it with the hands on, the know how, the right questions to make this any easier on myself or even know what's best. I am about $2000 into my gear purchases and just need a shelter. But I can't figure out which shelter to get LOL 😆 I live in the NW so i want something that's proven. And Khufu website ... It says the tent is 83,000 ¥ ... I don't know what ¥ is or how it compares to a dollar but I am kindnof scared to Google it. You know, I will research gear for months, then I buy it, then the day after I buy it ... I finally hear the review of why not to buy it, like that literally happens to me all the time. Ahhh, well, I am very happy I came across your channel, informative and relaxing and much appreciated. I was going to order the Duplex today, but I think after watching your video and reading a few MLD Duomid and Khufu comments I am going to hold off. I really do like the mids ... and as of today I have it narrowed to the Aeon Li, the MLD Duomid with Solo XL inner, the Khufu DCF-B with 2/3rds or 1/2 inner and the Zpacks Duplex ... but I haven't ruled out the Nemo Hornet just for simplicity either. I was actually thinking of getting the Hornet and then buying a DCF tarp to use instead of the rainfly. Not sure how that would work out either ... it's so hard! Lol. I just ... I don't know who to bounce this around with. Like I almost need to talk it out, maybe I should call a rep at MLD or Locus or something. I have tried a few gear forums, and looked into renting or buying 2nd hand gear but it hasn't yielded much for me yet. Well, in any event really enjoying watching your videos (subscribed and liked) and apologies for such a long winded and ramble-ous comment. Cheers
I understand and recall well your dilemma. It may be a soothing thought to know that all of the shelters you're considering are top contenders; therefore, you will likely be happy with any of them. Also, don't think of this choice as 'set in stone' -- since they are so popular, it would be easy to sell any of these shelters on a used gear site for a 20 percent loss and apply that money to another choice, if there was some detail you couldn't live with. Regarding your desire to talk this through with someone, for me, that's what I got out of reading discussions on the gear forums. Try a search for a specific shelter, or head-to-head comparison (like "khufu vs. duomid") and you will likely find an old discussion covering questions you have. If you have specific questions that I would have knowledge of, I'll be happy to answer too. Perhaps simply writing down a tally of pros and cons of your top choices would help. Would love to hear back where you land and how the first night out with it goes! Happy trails!
Good point. You can kind of see the arrangement when I filmed inside the mid, but it would have been clearer to just show the poles with the DPTE connector. I'll make a point to get that in my next trip video! Thanks!
Love your reviews they are really amazing! It actually lead me to contact Locus Gear.
Im 190 cm/6'3 long so I contacted LG about the Khufu and they responded that they could make a mid that they call the Khufu Grande which is 300 cm long and 140 cm tall for very little added cost. Obviously they do a lot of custom work and have a lot of different models that aren't even on their website. Even though their tents cost a lot it seems like their custom work is very competitively priced and their customer service seems outstanding. I live in Sweden and unfortunately they couldn't ship here under current circumstances but Im impressed and might go for the Khufu Grande when they can deliver again. I think MLD makes great stuff too and I like the look of Bear Paw designs inners but I think Im leaning towards LG. Anyway, I got a question, how tall are you? Thanks for your fantastic videos, so informative and well made.
Wow, thanks so much for your kind words and for sharing your interactions with LG. I agree that you 'get what you pay for' and if a person plans to use their gear for a long time, it's worth the investment. Just really painful in the beginning! To answer your question, I'm 6' even. Good luck with the shelter quest!
@@ShastaBubba Appreciate the answer, thank you!
Hi Karl I noticed we liked the same tent and were the same height. I would be interested to know if you bought this tent and your thoughts. I was considering the standard size and maybe sleeping diagonally using the A frame set up?
@@karl-johanbratt9949 hi I noticed your comment on the Khufu shelter. Did you buy a larger Khufu?
@@jamesdunlop5796 Hi, actually I didn't buy it but it was because of changes in my job situation and I felt I couldn't justify the purchase. With that said its still on my buying list. But I trust that it would be a good size because I emailed them the following info. Im 190cm tall, 10cm thick sleeping pad and the loft of my sleeping bag is 10 cm and that I want to avoid hitting the wall. The response was that they thought the offerings on their website wasn't suitable for me and that they recommended a larger version 3m long and 140cm tall. So in other words it was based on my specific measurements. Weather diagonal sleeping with an A-frame would work I have no idea but if I were to guess I would say it might still be a problem because they have a very defined catenary cut on their tarps, I think it's more of a catenary cut compared to MLD as an example. I kind of love the idea of an A-frame though as that mid pole steal so much space but I've also heard that it can be a hassle to get a good pitch in uneven terrain so I don't know but if I buy later I will definitely get the A-frame add on too because if it works than its a no brainer for me.
Good day to you!
I am a senior rider on HONDA Cross Cub from Japan.
I am enjoying camping ,touring and upload video.
This is so nice Khufu video!
Awesome!
Have a nice day my friend!
Thanks so much; glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Great job!! I watched the whole thing and I am not even in the market for a shelter. You did a great job highlighting all the details along with the pros and cons and will make me think more about my next DIY build.
You asked about bonding failures. I figure I might as well say something regarding them as I was actually the one who started the whole sewn vs bonded controversy many many years ago. I had 3M lab test some seams for me when I was making cuben fiber drybags and shelters. They were helping me to find the best bonding adhesive as bonded cuben fiber drybags stuffed with down sleeping bags would sometimes fail at the long vertical seam in cold weather. The down bag would push the seam apart.
What they found in the lab was exactly what was observed in the field. Bond only seams are weak in cold weather. They just quantified it for me.
The cold weather significantly weakend the bond strength. I am not sure how to attach the documents to this comment or if that is even possible? But it's definitely in black and white. Not sure if I ever posted those publicly before or not..
I found that bonding and then sewing was the ideal seam for cuben fiber. The bond would support the load and the stitches would keep it all together. This improved seams was by far the strongest in ALL conditions. Most gear makers do not employ such a seam as it's more labor intensive which also means more costly to produce.
Also PS. Thanks for mentioning my cord in your video. Always makes me smile to see something I produced mentioned in a video for the whole world to see.
Thanks again!
Lawson
Thanks for the kind words Lawson, and also for sharing your experiences with bonded seams. I had read through that thread on BPL, but forgot that it began with you by the time I got to the end. Guess you're right that the best possible option is a combination of bonding and sewing; makes me feel fortunate that I got my Khufu when they were still doing it that way.
Keep doing the great work that you do!
The 2-way zip has got to be the dealbreaker
I'm confused. How so?
Wow. Thank you for posting this review. I live in Japan considering to purchase the Khufu, but could not find a comprehensive review... This video made me 100% confident on buying a Khufu. Thank you so much. Looking forward to your videos.
Hope you enjoy it! I'm thrilled to have someone from Japan seeing my videos! Thanks for commenting.
I am also in Japan and considering purchasing a Khufu. I am considering the Tyvek version but not sure of it's durability when used as a shelter.
@@munster786 Hi Mohamed, I have the Tyvek and the DCF versions, and the Tyvek is more durable when it comes to punctures and abrasions, but obviously not as strong as the DCF.
Thank you for explaining the DPTE option. I really liked the features of the Khufu but nixed it when I saw that center pole. The DPTE option did not sink in with me while on the Locus Gear site. Came back and watched your vid a second time and now I finally understand!
Thanks so much, glad it was useful! The two-pole option for pitching is probably my favorite feature and one advantage over the Duomid, which is taller and so requires longer extra pole jacks to pitch that way.
Another great review. It would be nice to see some footage of the tent in windy/harsh conditions. Also the setting up process in those conditions. Maybe next time :-) All the best from Norway!
Thanks Erik! I'll have to do a 'follow up' shot from a trip video when I experience those conditions. I'm sure others would also like to see that. It's not the same for me to just describe it, but there's just some minor flapping, no bowing in of any side, as happens with many freestanding tents.
Thanks for the review! I already own too many tents (ha), but always love seeing how things are working for others.
You and me both! Thanks for commenting!
Thank you! This review was so helpful as I wanted to know the space when used with the DPTE. Probably will go with Hapi DCF or eVent version.
Glad it was helpful! If you go with the eVent, I'd love to hear your thoughts/reactions to it.
Best Khufu review on youtube. I recently bought this shelter and vids on youtube are really rare, so I would love any content related to it. When the wind picks up do you change your tie out configuration so your side panel guylines are longer?
Glad it was helpful! I haven't needed to change that side-panel tie out, but I also haven't been in winds above apx. 35 mph. That would be a good idea if I do encounter higher winds, so thanks for the suggestion!!!
Nice video! This was really well done. I personally think that there is a place for heat bonding and sewing. Where you need a little more strength like your ridgelines it’s nice to have your DCF sewn but things like the bottom of your shelter really only need bonding.
Great point! Sounds like a reasonable compromise. Now if we can just convince the shelter makers, right? Thanks for your comment Dylan!
The vent will provide an escape for warm air and that flow will hopefully pull in cooler air from underneath when the door is closed. I'm not sure what to say about the mesh vent covering, except that there is no harm in leaving it in place.
Good point Russell, you're probably right about that. It's certainly challenging to contemplate taking scissors to such an expensive piece of gear!
How often do you use the inner and what kind of conditions do you use it for?
Mainly just when I expect there to be bugs, so in the northern Rockies, that means June-July. I also began taking it in the late fall (like October) to help with wind block and rain splatter.
Hi Dan. Thanks for a really nice review! I was wondering if this tent is to small for me, I am 189 cm tall. I am specifically refering to the innertent. Would it be possbile to sew a couple of loops to the innernet, and connect them to the tarp with a dcf patch with a loop attached. I know that some companies sell these. I should give me a little more headroom
That might work. I believe you would only need one loop in the middle of each end (opposite from the external tie-out). It would be good to also take a look at the MLD Duomid as well, which has been increased in size since I bought mine, and might be a better fit for you.
great review got one on order just gotta wait 4 months 😢 but looking forward to using on my next thru hike next year for now my trusty Nordisk will do atb daz
It is certainly difficult to be patient when you have great gear on the way. Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy the shelter!
Very good review, most helpful...hike on amigo!...woods
Glad you enjoyed it, Thanks Woods!
Love you’re reviews!
I’m shopping for a mid
I’m interested in the height of the Khufu in the 2-pole mode
And how high it can be pitched in 2-pole mode
Thanks
Thanks so much, really appreciate the complement and question!
Re: pitch height, it's not really affected by using 2 poles verses one pole due to the additional length of the DPTE, which adds 12" (30.48cm), thus compensating for the angle. I usually extend my poles full length (130cm), insert into the shelter, then 'tighten' the pitch as needed by pulling the bases (bottom of the poles) inward. Pitch height varies depending on placement of the stakes really, and I've never had an issue with wanting it pitched higher.
For reference, I'm 6' (182.88cm) tall and there are scenes in the vid that show me sitting in the mid, so you can get and idea from that what the head clearance is.
Really good review!
Glad you enjoyed it; thanks!
@@ShastaBubba Bought one myself because of your review to replace my MSR Hubba NX for hikes in the Black Forest!
@@andi7331 Let us know how it works out for you!! Happy trails!
Man, I'm really greatful for this review, so thank you so much for that. That's why I definetly consider purchaising it.
What I'm a bit concerned about is pitching in rain with the inner with just one pole in the middle. Can you help me in this point?
Just one pole, because I don't hike with trekking poles and locus gear also mention, that it takes a little longer to set up with the DPTE than with one pole.
Have a good time and best wishes from Germany
Vielen Dank! It's no problem to set up in the rain with one pole; the pole goes inside the inner, which has a patch on the floor to protect the floor from the pole. The outside peak of the inner attaches to the inside peak of the tarp with a bungy loop, so they can stay together if you want. Raising the tent with the DPTE takes a bit (seconds?) longer because it fits inbetween the tarp and the inner, so you raise the tarp, then attach the inner. This really isn't a problem, because you are basically working inside the tarp at that point and not getting wet. Viel spass!
Great video, it's so hard to come across a solid review on this tent. Thank you so much! What are your thoughts on their DCF-eVent version of this tent. Do you think it will help with condensation? Not sure if it's worth the extra weight or money, but I imagine the pack size is slightly smaller.
Glad it was helpful! Re: the DCF-eVent version, found this helpful discussion: www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/a9rxuv/talk_me_out_of_buying_a_dcfevent_shelter_from/ Note the responses from Dan Durston and Franco Darioli -- both are folks who know lots about shelters!
@@ShastaBubba Thank you for the link, that was very helpful. I hope Dan Durston brings out a DCF version of his mids! Thanks again
Amazing review. What does this complete setup weight?
25 oz. (709 gm), not counting stakes. Thanks for watching!
At the moment I'm using the hubba hubba and X-mid, but have had my eyes om this for a Long time. I have been thinking about going for the half inner and only using one pole, but I can see the great bennefit of using two poles like you do. Nice to have this option as well on other trips. Great to hear someone who have had that much experience with the khufu. How Long does it takes you to set it up when everything goes smoothly?
I was thinking the setup time with both the inner and the outer
Hi just found your channel watched a couple of interesting videos on the Khufu shelter. I am wondering if I could use this shelter- I am 6 ft 3. I seen that the inner tent which would always need in Scotland would keep my sleeping bag from hitting the outer fly. Do you think I would be better sleeping diagonally to gain more sleeping length. I noticed on their website they would make a longer tent but I have not enquired. Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated James
I'm 6' even and my head and feet just touch the ends of the inner mesh, so I'm doubtful that you would gain enough extra by sleeping diagonally to be comfortable (depending on your tolerance for being cramped). You might be happier with a longer version, or one of the larger versions of the MLD Duomid. Cheers!
Hi and thanks for your review. You told, that the bugs were going to the top but what is up with the miscitos? Are they also coming into the tent, if the door is closed? My question is, is the inner tent really necessary?
Mosquitoes act the same way as the other flying insects, which means that I can get away with not bringing the inner tent even when there are likely to be only a few of them. For me, the inner tent is very useful in two circumstances: first, early season hikes when the mosquitoes are likely to be bad, and late season due to wind and rain splashing. I've been in heavy rain without the inner tent and been fine, but have greater peace of mind with it in those conditions. Generally, I go with just the tarp from mid-July through the end of September (here in the northern Rockies, USA). Thanks for the question and for watching!
Really like the review! One question. Would you say that a average guy and a German Shepard dog will fit nicely inside?
Yes! I don't think you would have any problem with getting your dog in from the rain. People often say about these mids that, although they're considered a '2-person' shelter, they're really more of a 1+ (the plus being a dog or small child). Happy hiking with your buddy!!
Hey Dan, are you experiencing any permanent stretching on the fabric? I see wrinkles and deforming on some used DCF tents, leading to the inability to keep a tight pitch. Are you still using this tent?
Still using the tent and, like all dcf, it's very wrinkled with use/age, but okay with a tight pitch for the most part. I have noticed some slack along the top (short) edge that can't be tightened because if I move the corner stake, it just puts slack in the long side. I had guessed it was due to uneven ground or a lazy pitch, but you may be correct regarding some deforming over time. Hasn't been a problem, but I also haven't been in a big storm/wind lately either.
Hi, how is your #3 zipper going? Still good? Do you have an estimation of how many pitches you did until now? thanks.
Great question! I'd estimate 75-90 pitches so far and no troubles at all with the zipper. Been more than a few occasions when I was dead tired and forgot to be careful with it too!
Nice to see a new video! I am in two minds between MLD Solomid XL and Khufu. I with you could compare those two models as Duomid is just a bit an overkill for me. I am 5.8 and looking for a bombproof shelter. I own a Sierra Designs High route 1(first gen. made by Andrew Skurka) and just want a little lighter and wind resistant shelter. May be you could add something on behalf of MLD Solomid XL?
Thanks Roman and thanks for the question. Comparing these three shelters is tricky; there are differences, but really fairly minor differences. As I have not used (or even seen) the Solomid XL, I'm just looking at the numbers here. Length-wise, the progression is thus: Khufu is shortest (106"), then Solomid (108"), then Duomid (110"), then Solomid XL at a whopping 114"! So the MLD tarps are all longer, but the Khufu is wider than all but the Duomid. Since I'm 6' and fine with the length of the Khufu, I think the Solomid XL would be overkill in length for you at 5.8. Personally, I would rather have the width in order to have lots of gear space and/or vestibule next to me versus unused length.
From a weight standpoint, just comparing the sil versions of all the above, the Solomid is 14 oz. and the Khufu is 16.5 (but with considerably more width), so I would guess you would be happy with either (although the Solomid would be cheaper). I'd love to hear back from you what you decide and how it works out. Happy trails!
@@ShastaBubba , I am leaning towards Solomid as my gear list is small already and all the gear fits under my current 275/120 pyramid with lots of additional space.
Truly speaking I like MLD a little bit more as Ron uses YYK number 5 zipper and has two button closures in the middle of the zipper so you can leave your door partially open.
Except this and your comments on width there hardly anything else. Probably I will go with MLD!
@@romansokolov6893 Don't think you'll be disappointed. Ron does great work! Let us know how it works out for you.
Which do you prefer Khufu or Xmid? And which do you find more storm worthy?
I still take the Khufu on longer trips when I want to save weight and it's still my favorite all around shelter. The X-Mid 2p is just a little longer though, so I can sleep without grazing my head/feet on the mesh, so that's more comfortable on shorter trips where I don't might the extra weight. I'm 6 ft. even, by the way. I think they are equally storm proof; maybe a slight edge to the Khufu for not having a 'long' side to accidentally pitch toward the wind, like the X-Mid and because the stakes are just a little less likely to pull out.
One more q. With the DPTE What lengt do you put your pole on
I put them on the maximum length (130cm) for most nights when it's not windy or stroms expected; shorter if those conditions are present.
Have you had any difficulty finding adequate space in the Mountains to accommodate the tent’s footprint?
Not at all. I believe the Khufu has a relatively small footprint for a shelter with this internal space. I've also used it in ID and WY trips.
@@ShastaBubba Terrific. Thank you.
Hi when using the mid whitout inner do you have had any problems with animals geting in during the night?
Nope. Never happened (in about 10 years of camping without an inner from July through September). Thanks for the questions!
Dan, are you still using this tent ? Do you still like it a lot ? Would you still recommend it or would you recommend another tent ?
Yep, still using and loving it. I honestly think it's the best all-around solo shelter available (MLD Duomid being a close second). You can see it in the trip video I just published on Gunsight Pass in Glacier National Park.
@@ShastaBubba I just watched your new video. It was fantastic as usual. I loved your mountain goat encounters. ( I wish Locus Gear offered DCF inserts. ) Do you know of another tent manufacturer that offers the two angled tent pole setup like the Locus Gear Khufu ? I bought the HMG Ultamid 2 for my trip to WY but sold it as soon as I got back because it was a little too big and I didnt like the center pole getting in the way. I would love to find a DCF tent with a DCF insert with the two angle pole setup like the Khufu that was also a little smaller than the Ultamid 2.
@@newlifeeveryday1821 I think MLD would be your best bet for a dcf inner. Personally, I prefer the silnylon floor as being more durable for not much more weight and way cheaper.
@@ShastaBubba Thank you for responding. Do you trust the waterproofness of silnylon enough ? as much as dyneema ?
Dan, does the two pole setup work really well when the insert is setup in the tent ?
Still would like tent manufacturers to make a shelter for tall folks that are 6’5”. I ended up getting a MLD solomid XXL based on your recommendation but it too is a bit short.
Sorry the Solomid didn't work out for you Baron. It's tough to fall outside the 'average' size with everything you buy, I imagine. Even though I had some condensation problems with it, I wonder if you would be happier with the Solong 6 from Lighheart Gear -- it's 100 inches (254cm) long! It's a really nice tent if you don't mind using a pack towel to manage condensation.
If you wanted, you would probably have no difficulty selling your Solomid on Gear Swap at Backpackinglight.com or r/ultralightgeartrade, and that would provide some cash to apply to the next shelter.
ShastaBubba Adventures Thanks for the reply. The solong is 3.5-4 lbs and has the same problem with sharply angled walls. Until zpacks comes out with a XL altaplex or duplex, which I’ve been lobbying them for, I’m kinda stuck.
@@barondavis5692 I believe the Solong 6 is actually 2 lbs. (based on the website), plus a couple oz. for seam sealing. Also, it's wide enough to sleep cornerwise and that might gain enough to overcome the walls concern.
I've been wondering whether the solomid might work for you if it was pitched higher? Just a thought.
@@barondavis5692 Hi, just thought I would chip in with a little advice here. I know a guy that sells the Solong and he says it is the best tent there is lengthwise for tall people and that people up to 6'8 can sleep in it comfortably. The reason is that besides being 100 inches long inside it also has corner struts so the fly is lifted up a bit from your head- and foot end. You should have no problem fitting in that tent. As already mentioned it ways quite exactly 2lbs. If you want a mid like MLDs tents and are willing to pay more, look at my first comment at the top of the comment section. Locus Gear adds a very small cost for customizing their tents to your needs. The initial cost is pretty high though.
@@karl-johanbratt9949 Thanks for adding that info Karl-Johan!
Unfortunately I use my shelter as a Basecamp and spend 3 months in Europe camping. As most shelters are nylon I find the UV kills the shelters no matter how expensive. I have no experience with DCF .
No doubt, UV kills! Don't know the long-term effects on DCF, but guessing it would fare better than sil.
Luxe minipeak outer is $75. Basically they are a pyramidal tarp. Yes it’s silnylon but it’s $75
Thanks for this tip! I've been researching this tent and have to say that it looks like a good option for someone new to backpacking who doesn't know whether they're going to like it enough to invest in quality gear. Having said that, consider that the Luxe Minipeak with the 2p inner comes in at over 4 lbs, so very far from ultralight (vs. LG Khufu and inner at 24 oz.). Also, made in China and potential durability issues due to not being true 'rip-stop' material. Still, I might grab one for the wife's car camping.
@@ShastaBubba I got it to use with some plastic for a ground sheet and without the inner. It’s fast setup in a rain. Merry Christmas
Are ticks a concern where you are?
Somewhat. There are 'wood ticks' in the spring, but only in May-June and not really problematic (disgusting though)! According to DPHHS Montana, there are no deer ticks in MT, so no fears for Lyme disease. Thanks for the question. I imagine it's different where you hike?
ShastaBubba Adventures Yes I am in upstate NY where ticks and Lyme disease is a concern. That is the only reason I would not use a tarp and ground sheet here but I did not see the end of your video where you show the inner lining before I made my comment.
@@jdspep3210 We definitely need to tailor the gear used to local conditions. Hope you get a chance to hike in the northern Rockies some day (if you haven't already); although it's amazing where you are too! Happy trails!
I think that if you cut the net on the upper vents the shape would be a little “damaged” by the lack of that piece...
Funny you should mention that . . . as it happens, I just now got up the courage to cut the net out. The edges of that small triangle are highly reinforced, so no change to the way the mid holds it's shape. Good to consider that aspect though. Thanks!
ShastaBubba Adventures Good to know! I thought that way mainly because there is no other sense in having that net: if you use the bug net, that net is useless. If you don’t use the bug net, that upper net is useless again, since all the base perimeter is open... 🤔
Anyway, more air flow and less weight: if the shape is intact evrything is ok.👍
Sigh. I am clearly at the mercy of inexperience pitfalls. Sooo, I bought my pack first, I have purchased almost all my gear however I have yet to choose a shelter. I have been researching shelters for a good 3 months now and I really need to get moving. For me though it's a big deal, a big purchase, I really need to get it right on the first try if I am going to spend over $500. I had looked at the Lanshan1, the Nemo Hornet 1 and 2, the Tarpent Aeon Li, Rainbow Li and Notch Li, now not all of those tents require seam sealing but I think that is something I want to stay away from for now. I looked at HMD Dirigo and Ultamid and I seem to be in the back of my head comparing them all to the Zpacks Duplex ... Ultamid seemed a little large to me. And in all this, I am just drowning in rookie juices. I don't have any friends or professionals really to talk this over with but what I am looking to do is try the PNT next year. Now ... after pretty much being okay with purchasing the Duplex ... I re-came across the Aeon Li ... which led me to the Khufu. I went to Locus Gear and they have the Khufu in eVent or DCF probably just stay with DCF but I really like the idea of having the versatility of the Mids. I like the double wall, I like the way you can change what you bring aspect, or pack it all for like under 2 pounds. Now I am looking at the MLD Duomid (regular or xl) with a solo mesh inner. It's just so dang hard to pull the trigger on something that I know, no matter how much research I do, I am just not getting into it with the hands on, the know how, the right questions to make this any easier on myself or even know what's best. I am about $2000 into my gear purchases and just need a shelter. But I can't figure out which shelter to get LOL 😆 I live in the NW so i want something that's proven. And Khufu website ... It says the tent is 83,000 ¥ ... I don't know what ¥ is or how it compares to a dollar but I am kindnof scared to Google it. You know, I will research gear for months, then I buy it, then the day after I buy it ... I finally hear the review of why not to buy it, like that literally happens to me all the time. Ahhh, well, I am very happy I came across your channel, informative and relaxing and much appreciated. I was going to order the Duplex today, but I think after watching your video and reading a few MLD Duomid and Khufu comments I am going to hold off. I really do like the mids ... and as of today I have it narrowed to the Aeon Li, the MLD Duomid with Solo XL inner, the Khufu DCF-B with 2/3rds or 1/2 inner and the Zpacks Duplex ... but I haven't ruled out the Nemo Hornet just for simplicity either. I was actually thinking of getting the Hornet and then buying a DCF tarp to use instead of the rainfly. Not sure how that would work out either ... it's so hard! Lol. I just ... I don't know who to bounce this around with. Like I almost need to talk it out, maybe I should call a rep at MLD or Locus or something. I have tried a few gear forums, and looked into renting or buying 2nd hand gear but it hasn't yielded much for me yet.
Well, in any event really enjoying watching your videos (subscribed and liked) and apologies for such a long winded and ramble-ous comment.
Cheers
I understand and recall well your dilemma. It may be a soothing thought to know that all of the shelters you're considering are top contenders; therefore, you will likely be happy with any of them. Also, don't think of this choice as 'set in stone' -- since they are so popular, it would be easy to sell any of these shelters on a used gear site for a 20 percent loss and apply that money to another choice, if there was some detail you couldn't live with. Regarding your desire to talk this through with someone, for me, that's what I got out of reading discussions on the gear forums. Try a search for a specific shelter, or head-to-head comparison (like "khufu vs. duomid") and you will likely find an old discussion covering questions you have. If you have specific questions that I would have knowledge of, I'll be happy to answer too. Perhaps simply writing down a tally of pros and cons of your top choices would help. Would love to hear back where you land and how the first night out with it goes! Happy trails!
Be good to see your double poles on film, then we can judge if we like.
Good point. You can kind of see the arrangement when I filmed inside the mid, but it would have been clearer to just show the poles with the DPTE connector. I'll make a point to get that in my next trip video! Thanks!