Its a shame the modern nba doesn’t cultivate teams well, always blowing them up for big trades. Imagine if they didnt trade for kd, kept the core and still had all their picks for the next 5 years? 😂like im sorry MC it makes no sense. The ability to speak does not make them intelligent
18:50 you were right, Sam Bowie, crazy good college center who was hiding injuries and that kept him from doing anything at all in the pros. A prequel to Greg Oden
The “get rid of your bench” also feeds into injuries as you rely more and more on starters. As good as Durant is he’s been injury prone the last few years and that was very predictable.
Just be honest and say the league doesn't like phoenix suns, they were robbed of a championship in 2007 when the refs rigged the victory for San Antonio Spurs Nash was abused and foul hard and yet it's was the suns key players that were suspended and again In 2021 against the Milwaukee bucks and again rigged. It doesn't matter who the suns get they will always be robbed of a championship against a big market team. All this cheating of fixing games for certain teams is what's causing the rating for the NBA to drop at this point i don't care anymore unless the NBA takes responsibility and fire the dirty refs nothing will change..
14:00 I can kinda get the Durant trade. He’s a unicorn and he’s played on a high level in Finals and Olympics levels. But…. Beal? I can’t imagine it. Chris Paul has availability issues…. Unlike Durant? 😃
I never have understood the trade for Beal. We know he's an excellent scorer. But he was good on a bad team. Put Book back at the SG position and bring Beal off the bench. Or, preferably you dump Beal for a good defensive SG or a pass first point, or even more preferably dump Beal for both of those. In my opinion letting Bridges and CP3 go were big oopsies. Water under the bridge, though. CP3, Book, Bridges, KD and a bag of dirt at the 5 is a pretty good team. But, I reckon it wasn't possible to get KD without giving up everything. Probably won't hit bottom until KD retires and Book splits the scene. Sometimes, that's what it takes, but it's really painful for longtime fans. And even when you hit rock bottom, you STILL have to hit the jackpot in the draft to start the comeback.
I don`t know if you remember that when Ayton was drafted by the Suns the media said that Ayton an Marvin Bagley were the #1 an 2 picks. Then the next players were considered a tier down. We see now that Luka should of been the #1 pick now with hindsight. You were right that it was Sam Bowie drafted ahead of Jordan. But when you go back in time, Bowie and Hakeem was considered to be the top picks of that draft. In fact the reason why Bowie went second instead of first was the injury concern. Hakeem was considered talented but raw in comparison to Bowie. Bowie was considered to be the most complete player in terms of talent and skill.
Those trade lines remind me of Jerry Jones trading a 1st, 3rd, and 6th Round pick to the Detroit Lions in 2008 for Roy Williams, a receiver that had only been a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2007. Edit to add: The problem with the modern version of basketball where there aren't clear positions and roles like there used to be and you can't just throw guys together and hope they compliment each other because everyone plays the same way. The LeBron and Wade/Bosh/Love problem.
Mr Mindcrime, ive never been a suns fan, but all we have to do is learn the triangle, and we can apply for coaches positions, take this team over, we can have them winning in no time, I'm a great motivator of people
No trade clauses should be abolished it just doesn't make sense from a business POV. Hypothetically let's say Phoenix got a 3 way trade Beal and a handful of picks (If you guys have any left lol) for Jocic, Giannis and pick your third guy and Beal can be like NOPE and that's it that's just wild to me. I know that is like some 2K trade stuff but you get my point!
@@TheRealMindCrime Nothing destroys a team like bad management man! It's not always about star power and skill you still have to make those pieces fit and Booker, KD and Beal just aren't a good fit they just get in each others way.
It could be worse. You could be a Bulls fan. You’re right about the Bowie comparison. I would go as far as to say Luka is also the best I’ve seen since Jordan - making the comparison all the more pointed. On the bright side, at least the Suns are slowly returning back to their 90s uniforms look. It’s a start.
Even in basketball, shopping for a brand name may not necessarily get you the utility that DIY or thrifting does. 😏New cap rules caught both the Wolves and Suns, and even though they're not admitting it, the Celtics (which is why the franchise is up for sale).
Unless Beal has an emotional attachment to Phoenix idk why he would want to stay there. Kinda seems like he's taking the easy way out by coming off the bench with the type of contract he has. I know he didn't bench himself but what kind of "star" player allows that to happen and NOT demand a trade immediately.
If Michael Jordan couldn't win championships on his singular talent alone, why do owners think ANYBODY else that comes along could? I don't care how good KD can be, he's not won anything by himself. You should build a team around selfish players who want to work in a system. Having 1, or if you're lucky, 2 star players that are willing to play & lead in a system is much more valuable than a generational talent or "super team." Owners should look for a coach with a system for offense & a defensive scheme, then build your roster into that mold. Instead, we focus on "talented" players & force the coach/roster around them. It makes no sense.
yeah, our owner is a noob so I know he thought it was easy as just buying a championship, but it has to make basketball sense to work and I think that's where he fails.
Before i get past the 5 second mark here im about to have some fun with this. The Suns suck because this past off season they didn't get LeBum and son 😂😂😂😂😂
@TheRealMindCrime u know I've been pulling for this for u guys since the summer. Y'all would be so popular lol..... LeBum and LeBummy Jr vs the world. What could possibly go wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣
S tier level cope from the owner....he really thinks that 26 other teams are envious of that lineup and would trade their teams as is. I hope he doesn't try to double down...
Suns need a real leader also imo. KD is very talented, but he was never the leader when he won in GSW. Even tho CP3 was getting older, I feel like they shouldn't have got rid of them for Beal cause at least CP3 can facilitate.
yup, I used to debate this with my friends with CP3. I know he's getting old and he doesn't score much but we didn't need that with Booker cuz he scored a lot with cp3 around. CP3 was our leader and ball distributer. Getting rid of him and making Booker play point guard was a terrible idea
New owner syndrome. Wanted to microwave success by making a big splash. Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert, Prokhorov (who has since sold the Nets) are indicative of this. Cuban has been great since those early crazy years with the Mavs, when he kept making trades.
@@TheRealMindCrime to be honest he's alright as a player but the hornets were worse defensively while he was on the court but two second rounders ain't bad tho
I think that means that if the other team has a worse pick than us they can swap it with us. So yes, we still have picks i guess but they'll be lower level
Those "pick swaps" mean you still have a 1st rd pick it just means if your pick is better then theirs they can swap, so I Washington is at 10 and you're at 5 you'll still get 10th, not great but it's not a total purge of first round picks
I think the phrase has been “Suns don’t control their first round draft picks until 2031” It’s rare for drafts to be deep in easily spotted talent. Those puck swaps hurt. The other thing is it’s hard to line up any trades. You don’t have any draft capital that you control
I mean you guys do have Tyus Jones who is a pass first PG now. So PG is solid for this year. Also your team JUST traded more 2nd rounders for Nick Richard's. Decent Center from the Hornets.
I know u said u don't wanna see Beal traded for another G. However, Chicago has been listening to offers for Lonzo Ball. Hes always hurt unfortunately. But when he is healthy he is exactly the PG u guys kinda need. Well, pre injury he was. Plus its a contract that the Suns would get out of very quickly. So if it doesn't work out, they would have a couple bucks to spend to perhaps shop around. Not like y'all gonna draft anyone in the next 20 years lol. Probably don't even employe scouts for college anymore. 🤷♂️
@@ReaperCrew2682 don’t you inflict that contract on my bulls 😃 Jokes aside Ball has a dunk recently, his first in years. I hope Lonzo finally gets a personal and team training regimen that doesn’t kill him yet again
@biffbobfred I'm a Bulls fan myself man. If we can move Lonzo and maybe another team steps in and take Zach from us. It might be worth looking at. We aren't going anywhere with either of them. And Billy Donovan doesn't seem to be the guy. So it would be a way to move on from a guy who is never available, move the other injury prone guy who doesn't wanna be there. And potentially get a guy who still has a little bit left who might think he has something to prove.
Its a shame the modern nba doesn’t cultivate teams well, always blowing them up for big trades. Imagine if they didnt trade for kd, kept the core and still had all their picks for the next 5 years? 😂like im sorry MC it makes no sense. The ability to speak does not make them intelligent
hahahhaha! Matt I'd take Jar Jar as our owner over this nonsense right about now.
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Nice star wars reference!
18:50 you were right, Sam Bowie, crazy good college center who was hiding injuries and that kept him from doing anything at all in the pros. A prequel to Greg Oden
totally a prequel to Oden lol
The “get rid of your bench” also feeds into injuries as you rely more and more on starters. As good as Durant is he’s been injury prone the last few years and that was very predictable.
yeah we just suck lol
This exactly what woeries me about my Knicks. Thibedeau is a nightmare when it cones to managing minutes
@ in an alternate universe where Thibs didn’t pound Rose into the ground would he not have gotten hurt and maybe have a ring?
@@biffbobfred if the NBA didnt fix the bulls matchups against the Cavs, rose would be close to a ring. No guarantee
Just be honest and say the league doesn't like phoenix suns, they were robbed of a championship in 2007 when the refs rigged the victory for San Antonio Spurs Nash was abused and foul hard and yet it's was the suns key players that were suspended and again In 2021 against the Milwaukee bucks and again rigged. It doesn't matter who the suns get they will always be robbed of a championship against a big market team. All this cheating of fixing games for certain teams is what's causing the rating for the NBA to drop at this point i don't care anymore unless the NBA takes responsibility and fire the dirty refs nothing will change..
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good evening!
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14:00
I can kinda get the Durant trade. He’s a unicorn and he’s played on a high level in Finals and Olympics levels.
But…. Beal? I can’t imagine it.
Chris Paul has availability issues…. Unlike Durant? 😃
yeah we keep going through stars who never show up to work. it's great
I never have understood the trade for Beal. We know he's an excellent scorer.
But he was good on a bad team. Put Book back at the SG position and bring Beal
off the bench. Or, preferably you dump Beal for a good defensive SG or a
pass first point, or even more preferably dump Beal for both of those.
In my opinion letting Bridges and CP3 go were big oopsies. Water under the
bridge, though. CP3, Book, Bridges, KD and a bag of dirt at the 5 is a pretty good team.
But, I reckon it wasn't possible to get KD without giving up everything.
Probably won't hit bottom until KD retires and Book splits the scene. Sometimes,
that's what it takes, but it's really painful for longtime fans. And even when you
hit rock bottom, you STILL have to hit the jackpot in the draft to start the comeback.
I agree. Bridges and CP3 were crucial parts of our team
I don`t know if you remember that when Ayton was drafted by the Suns the media said that Ayton an Marvin Bagley were the #1 an 2 picks. Then the next players were considered a tier down. We see now that Luka should of been the #1 pick now with hindsight. You were right that it was Sam Bowie drafted ahead of Jordan. But when you go back in time, Bowie and Hakeem was considered to be the top picks of that draft. In fact the reason why Bowie went second instead of first was the injury concern. Hakeem was considered talented but raw in comparison to Bowie. Bowie was considered to be the most complete player in terms of talent and skill.
yeah it's nuts looking back but at the time I guess the Ayton thing made sense. We didn't know what a bad attitude and poor work ethic he had yet
Those trade lines remind me of Jerry Jones trading a 1st, 3rd, and 6th Round pick to the Detroit Lions in 2008 for Roy Williams, a receiver that had only been a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2007.
Edit to add: The problem with the modern version of basketball where there aren't clear positions and roles like there used to be and you can't just throw guys together and hope they compliment each other because everyone plays the same way. The LeBron and Wade/Bosh/Love problem.
Impatient owner who mortgages the next 10 years to gamble on a 2-3 year window to win a title complains fans need to be more patient
yup!
Mr Mindcrime, ive never been a suns fan, but all we have to do is learn the triangle, and we can apply for coaches positions, take this team over, we can have them winning in no time, I'm a great motivator of people
I'm down for it! I wanna be the Suns owner someday. I just need a few billion dollars lol
No trade clauses should be abolished it just doesn't make sense from a business POV. Hypothetically let's say Phoenix got a 3 way trade Beal and a handful of picks (If you guys have any left lol) for Jocic, Giannis and pick your third guy and Beal can be like NOPE and that's it that's just wild to me. I know that is like some 2K trade stuff but you get my point!
we don't have draft picks, we need them lol. At this point I'd be willing to trade Beal for a first round pick in the next 3 drafts lol
@@TheRealMindCrime Nothing destroys a team like bad management man! It's not always about star power and skill you still have to make those pieces fit and Booker, KD and Beal just aren't a good fit they just get in each others way.
Looks like the drugs in Phoenix are pretty strong! 😂 Imagine mortgaging the future of the team, you might get a game at this rate! 😆
lol
10:09
Phoenix pulling out all the stops to get KD. Took a page out of lakers book.
Yup
It could be worse. You could be a Bulls fan.
You’re right about the Bowie comparison. I would go as far as to say Luka is also the best I’ve seen since Jordan - making the comparison all the more pointed.
On the bright side, at least the Suns are slowly returning back to their 90s uniforms look. It’s a start.
Even in basketball, shopping for a brand name may not necessarily get you the utility that DIY or thrifting does. 😏New cap rules caught both the Wolves and Suns, and even though they're not admitting it, the Celtics (which is why the franchise is up for sale).
100% agreed lol
Unless Beal has an emotional attachment to Phoenix idk why he would want to stay there. Kinda seems like he's taking the easy way out by coming off the bench with the type of contract he has. I know he didn't bench himself but what kind of "star" player allows that to happen and NOT demand a trade immediately.
Im starting to wonder too. It seems like no one has asked him if he possibly wants to be traded somewhere else. He might just say yes
If Michael Jordan couldn't win championships on his singular talent alone, why do owners think ANYBODY else that comes along could? I don't care how good KD can be, he's not won anything by himself. You should build a team around selfish players who want to work in a system. Having 1, or if you're lucky, 2 star players that are willing to play & lead in a system is much more valuable than a generational talent or "super team." Owners should look for a coach with a system for offense & a defensive scheme, then build your roster into that mold. Instead, we focus on "talented" players & force the coach/roster around them. It makes no sense.
yeah, our owner is a noob so I know he thought it was easy as just buying a championship, but it has to make basketball sense to work and I think that's where he fails.
Before i get past the 5 second mark here im about to have some fun with this.
The Suns suck because this past off season they didn't get LeBum and son 😂😂😂😂😂
Maaaaaaaaaan!! lol
@TheRealMindCrime u know I've been pulling for this for u guys since the summer. Y'all would be so popular lol..... LeBum and LeBummy Jr vs the world. What could possibly go wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i agree that Cp should have stayed, but even keeping Holliday would have been ok. I feel the real issue is the suns have little defense.
Its true. Our defense is terrible here.
S tier level cope from the owner....he really thinks that 26 other teams are envious of that lineup and would trade their teams as is. I hope he doesn't try to double down...
I know right? It just shows he doesn't understand the game but instead just sees these stars on paper and thinks that's all we should need to win
Could you quickly react to Bob Costas' closing speech at the end of the 98 finals? It's a short video but it is EVER so insightful.
Sure! Thanks for the suggestion
Gonna be a looooooonh 5-6 years for suns fans
yeah.....it sure is lol
Suns need a real leader also imo. KD is very talented, but he was never the leader when he won in GSW. Even tho CP3 was getting older, I feel like they shouldn't have got rid of them for Beal cause at least CP3 can facilitate.
yup, I used to debate this with my friends with CP3. I know he's getting old and he doesn't score much but we didn't need that with Booker cuz he scored a lot with cp3 around. CP3 was our leader and ball distributer. Getting rid of him and making Booker play point guard was a terrible idea
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Yeah i saw that drop today too. Gonna give it a few days to not steal any thunder from him then I'll drop a reaction to it
Don't understand why the Suns let CP3 go or broke up the team. The only person in my view that needed to be moved was Ayton.
agreed. if we kept CP3 and canned Ayton we'd be in good shape
New owner syndrome. Wanted to microwave success by making a big splash. Mark Cuban, Dan Gilbert, Prokhorov (who has since sold the Nets) are indicative of this. Cuban has been great since those early crazy years with the Mavs, when he kept making trades.
how do we feel about the nick richards trade?
I gotta look more into him. He's a center so it might help us
@@TheRealMindCrime to be honest he's alright as a player but the hornets were worse defensively while he was on the court
but two second rounders ain't bad tho
You guys also had the best record in 1993.
I thought so. thank you!
14:33
Some of those picks for Beal were swaps. Does that mean you guys swapped the potential picks? It looks like you still have them.
I think that means that if the other team has a worse pick than us they can swap it with us. So yes, we still have picks i guess but they'll be lower level
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That semi confusing. Lol.
Knew this wouldn’t work from the jump. 3 iso players and no point guard is a terrible idea.
You get a 2025, 2027 and 2029 first round pick. Thats it until 2031
Suns were better off with the Booker/CP3 duo
100% we were!
Yes it was Sam B.
Those "pick swaps" mean you still have a 1st rd pick it just means if your pick is better then theirs they can swap, so I Washington is at 10 and you're at 5 you'll still get 10th, not great but it's not a total purge of first round picks
I think the phrase has been “Suns don’t control their first round draft picks until 2031”
It’s rare for drafts to be deep in easily spotted talent. Those puck swaps hurt. The other thing is it’s hard to line up any trades. You don’t have any draft capital that you control
Thank you Chris
Question, i need this from a relyable source... is Luka Dončič the suns daddy?
Sadly, yup lol. Same way that Jokic is Lebron's daddy. Til we prove it otherwise Luka absolutely has owned us
I mean you guys do have Tyus Jones who is a pass first PG now. So PG is solid for this year.
Also your team JUST traded more 2nd rounders for Nick Richard's. Decent Center from the Hornets.
I know u said u don't wanna see Beal traded for another G. However, Chicago has been listening to offers for Lonzo Ball. Hes always hurt unfortunately. But when he is healthy he is exactly the PG u guys kinda need. Well, pre injury he was. Plus its a contract that the Suns would get out of very quickly. So if it doesn't work out, they would have a couple bucks to spend to perhaps shop around. Not like y'all gonna draft anyone in the next 20 years lol. Probably don't even employe scouts for college anymore. 🤷♂️
@@ReaperCrew2682 don’t you inflict that contract on my bulls 😃
Jokes aside Ball has a dunk recently, his first in years. I hope Lonzo finally gets a personal and team training regimen that doesn’t kill him yet again
@biffbobfred I'm a Bulls fan myself man. If we can move Lonzo and maybe another team steps in and take Zach from us. It might be worth looking at. We aren't going anywhere with either of them. And Billy Donovan doesn't seem to be the guy. So it would be a way to move on from a guy who is never available, move the other injury prone guy who doesn't wanna be there. And potentially get a guy who still has a little bit left who might think he has something to prove.
I mean....Ball coming here would be interesting. I'd be willing to trade Beal for him. But no more draft picks! lol
@ you got no draft picks to trade :)
@@TheRealMindCrime what draft picks? U guys are never gonna draft again 🤣🤣🤣
You guys just made a trade with Charlotte. Some low level players and picks.
Thank you. I gotta look into it
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