If u don’t like fire there’s 3 budget shifter decks being Kash(the schoolyard bully), Floo(simple bird brain) and Exo(girls and a cup joke) and at the moment I’m on Exo
@@SANS22418 honestly, I did well with Kashtira as it's my pet deck, however I will sell the field spells and retire it until Rarity Collection since the field spells would drop drastically after a few months. I don't like playing Floo as it does not feel fun. But I might try Exosister
Well, get used to em. Konami loves em. We've had broken engines for like forever. It gets old. The formula. They make a broken deck. People buy it. They dominate. Then they ban parts of it. Then, make the next broken thing. Along the way, we get crazy staples to help counter the current broken thing, and the games powercreep grows and grows. This game could be way better with set rotation.
In the last few years a lot of new "archetypes" are just engines. Konami needs to do a better job at releasing an archetype with more than 10 cards imo. I do think it is because of how the game is designed and how power creep necessitates that cards do a lot by themselves, thus cutting down cards per archetype and increasing effects per card.
Seeing the other replies & comments. I seriously hope Cap makes a video discussing the major changes people have suggested for fixing the Yugioh TCG (Set rotation, A new master rule, Giving the license to say Bandai Namco, A reboot, ect. And yes I acknowledge the last two are mine)
@@Rabbitlord108 A reboot sounds possible. Maybe give it some different rules to spice things up, like extra draws and normal summons, and more limited board space.
They arent, tho they indeed not investing on it enough. But they surely realized the market and potential. Thats why every YCS now has side event time wizard fomat, usually GOAT and edison. Soon in last vegas they will include TOSS and tengu plant. They also recently added many repreints for ood edison cards in battle of legend. But i agree they still not investin on them enough. They shouldve begin by add more coverage to it like included in stream and adding commentary to time wizard side event.
A big problem is that the comparative balance of the game and the marketability and monetization of products are entirely at odds. Making amazing cards in new sets moves product and makes stores and vendors happy. But it makes the balance difficult and hurts the gameplay side of things. As well as scaring away/pricing out new and old players alike. They are almost entirely at odds with each other.
I think they should be printing more of the good chase cards in lower rarity in the same set and more other high rarirty versions so that players, collectors and stores win.
I actually think the ban list should be drastically reduced. Instead of banning and limiting, konami should focus on making lower-tier archetypes stronger. Any format that only supprts 2-4 competitive archetype at a time is never going to bring in new players or become a serious esport. We have over 10k something cards and yet only a handful are useful. We've lost deck build creativity, unique problem solving, and individualism.
I hate it because they could’ve made monsters out of that secondary effects. Remember when Konami came out with expansive archetypes other than the main narrative they are working on like fallen albaz.
Im just annoyed that Lo costs like 80 a copy because I really wanna play voiceless voice as a longtime ritual lover, but because it’s kinda good, I have to pay almost $300 for the core.
I bought Centurion for way to much Just cause they can perform the stupid calamity Lock with ease and i dont even use that Lock so i would Love to See that stupid lv12 synchron Dragon geting banned
Same, I played Mikanko despite its defunct state for that reason. It sucks that i'm gated this hard. And on top of it Mikanko is not good anymore, and i'm hoping to play a ritual archetype that I enjoy. On top if this all the stuff I played was hit like Rikka.
@@skullwolff9442 Some people don’t have a few hundred dollars laying around for yugioh. If you wanna spend $300 for 3 cards and not think that’s expensive then that’s fine. Not everyone is going to feel the same way.
It is just sad that just a few weeks it felt like 20 decks could top a tournament. Now only I guess technically 2 decks mainly just fire wins. The pros got what they wanted time to not play for a few months again.
It’s so silly that people think the pros have anything to do with this. Both formats are fine, the ebb and flow is what it’s all about. Playing the 20 deck format from October-February was cool, now it’s time for a tighter format; this can list 3-4 months as well, then maybe we move to a triangle format for 3 months, and then back to a wide format. It’s all good. Just have fun with it
@@thekittenfreakify mirror matches can be incredibly fun. This mirror has been an absolute blast at locals, it’s very interesting the interactions with the opponents cards and using them as resources for your own plays. It’s very skill expressive, and that’s very fun and rewarding for a lot of people. Not to mention, coming up with a creative rogue strategy that plays into the metas weaknesses is a great way for someone who wants to do creative deck building to enjoy themselves as well. 1-2 deck formats aren’t the best forever. But they are great after a format where planning was essentially useless as you could go up against 30 different decks. That format was fun too, but different. I feel way more challenged and motivated this format than I did in January.
@@jordanshultz6242 what you described is not fun at all. I like facing diffrent decks not the same deck over and over. I argue matchup knowledge in a diverse format is more rewarding. Same for knowing your deck so well hand traps seem to have no effect. Current format playing against and even watching the events has been a bore.
Fire King is a deck that I love and I was stoked when the support in the new Structure Deck was revealed. All of it is exactly what the deck needed. What I take issue with however is the Snake-Eye package. Pure Fire King is a fun control deck meant to trip up your opponent by making them play around a Dark Hole that could turn live with one wrong move. Fire King Snake-Eye into a bland Link spam deck that bores me to no end. Personally I love the Dogmatika variant and would love for the Snake-Eye package to die so that one of my favorite archetypes can return to form.
exactly. Every time I see that deck get played at my locals I always say to myself- this isn't fire kings. Fire Kings love high garunix but there is next to no fire kings on the field
I'm playing Fire kings/Snake-eyes atm but I agree with you. The deck was way more fun for me a couple months ago when it was mainly fire king heavy. Now it's snake-eyes heavy and while It doesn't HEAVILY bother me, it doesn't help when every card being added to what was supposed to be a Fire king deck is high in price. Wanted was one thing but i think the price for bonfire is fucking ridiculous.
These 1 card combos that go into full boards because of how the deck flows is one of the biggest problems of yugioh in general, tcg, ocg, master duel and duel links. The other being generic extra deck monsters that are much stronger than most in archetype extra deck monsters.
Can't blame them,we've been giving them soo much money to smoke. At least so far this year all that smoke gave us brand new animations from their studio
The problem right now is that is what they're doing. Every other deck in the format is so fair that a high powered hyper consistent near zero weakness deck came in and swept. They probably didn't realize how high the ceiling was.
D barrier i'm all for. Anti Spell is "ehhh" but for what its worth you can always just run PSY-Framegear Delta if you really want to stop spells. I won't mourn Anti-Spell's loss if it comes to that.
@@vampireguy92ryan81 a lot people want to class these as emergency banlist. They were really pen was really the only one where they changed it for locals. They did give use a banlist for spyral two weeks after being full power. However those hits were great they still maintained the deck to be the best deck but took its consitency down several levels so other deck could be played. Which is what they need to do if they are to have a list. Slow the deck down a decent amount but it should still be the best deck. Not sure what to hit like maybe limted wanted and ash. So the deck plays into droll a little more. Orginal ban would be too big a hit just now.
@lenabo9929 I honestly don't believe they need to hit SE ash. Limit wanted and ash blossom if they want and they can semi limit original snake eyes. The biggest thing is the SE don't exactly have negates like FK and yet ppl want to hit SE. 🙄
I will respectfully disagree. The problem isn't Snake-Eyes in a vacuum or the Diabellstar engine; it is rather the generic nature of engines now and the generic nature of extra deck boss monsters. I actually think this form of playstyle, while overly consistent and oppressing to those not playing Fire, is probably the most "fair" the game has been in at least 8 years. The powercreep Tear Ishizu brought was among the worst things I have ever seen this game go through, and legitimately stopped me from playing anymore. I won't get into how the cost of the game is a giant paywall and does not reflect the playerbase in a general sense, but it is a factor into how these decks are influenced and hit, because the problem cards will not be hit at least until they are reprinted, and what will happen is probably a limitation to Kyrin or Ponix. We should let the game play out for this format
the problem is 100% snake-eyes and diabellstar. these aren't generic engines. they're specifically designed to be played together. they're even in the same lore. also the deck doesn't even use that many extra deck monsters anyway besides princess and a few others
@@yuseifido5706 Thats what i was thinking like playing 3 wanted and 1 diabell and original can be considered playing the engine once you start adding in anything else your flat out just playing the deck.
Correct. The minute one generic engine gets checked, another one gets released not long afterwards. The core of the problem comes down to overall card design and the market plain and simple. This is one of the few times where I'm glad it costs an arm and a leg to access fire decks otherwise the problem would be way worse than it is now. The paywall IMO is actually preventing the fire stuff from being on the same level as PEPE tier 0.
dude 16 man event 1 guy played a 500€ ish deck everyin else 1.2k decks. thats over 15k € , why should komoney do a e ban list when people are still buying it. even lo, is 80€ ,thats maybe the 4 best deck in the meta rn, nahh mate iam staying on my sprights until the prices go down and its diverse again. ( ps yes even i have to run the super unfun shifter variant locking me out of any cool plays spright has as a deck)
This guy has like 100+ comments on this channel, terminally online mentally ill. Him getting that ❤ from this channel is like his mission, its the highlight of his day.
@@AzzyReal Not to mention the format immediately following Tear 0 Format was diminated heavily by full power Kashtira because Arise Heart just needed to have that walking Macro effect. So we went from a tier 0 format to a very narrow format, then finally in the latter half of the year a wider format Pre-AGOV, now back to square one.
This isn’t a tier 0 format. Close, but not quite. Only way you get tier 0 is if you count every deck that splashes a Sinful Spoils package as the same deck. Not even remotely comparable to the dominance of Fusion Sub Zoo, Spyral, Nekroz, or Ishizu Tear.
@Zetact_ you only get that >80% figure if you lump together every deck that splashes a Snake Eyes engine as the same deck. Which if that’s what you want to do then Adventure was a tier 0 deck too because that engine was splashed into everything.
Konami’s biggest problem is one word: “generic.” Diabellstar doesn’t send an in-archetype card. Neither does Sinful Spoils. We saw a similar issue with Tear where they were never locked into Fusions only, or Tearlament only. Another piece of the problem is that Konami does this with what are clearly their favorite archetypes and personal projects. Everything else has restrictions, balance, then they let their own projects run rampant.
Original Sinful Spoils banned will kill Snake Eye. The deck doesn't have much extension ability without that card and Snake-eye Birch. It also makes it so that the Dark Witch is useless in the deck. That being said, if Original is banned, Wanted should be untouched. The deck would be dead without that unnecessary hit.
They have a Snake-Eye Diabellstar that makes the field a 3off. Hitting Original doesn't kill the deck, it just makes it fair by cutting both Fire King and Synchro variants so you don't just rely on a 1 card 7 interruptions board while you also get space for 15+ non-engine. IMO this is a direct upgrade to SHS (in quality and NOT ceiling) that was also hit very early because it would promote a toxic format if only Ariseheart was banned.
I see. This is the type of people who whine about tier 0 decks. Maybe if you played the deck, you would get an idea. The deck has no real combo lines if Original is banned. (1) Poplar would get you nothing useful when normal summoned (no, temple does nothing in this case), (2) Ash ends on a link 2 pass unless you hard opened birch or bonfire, (3) you can't play the Diabellestar engine with PHNI support only, (4) The deck already has few starters and can brick on non-engine. Without the wanted engine, it even bricks harder.
@@babrad We are in PHNI format, not LEDE format. Snake-eye diabellstar is not a point until it comes out. And SHS always shows up as an engine with other decks (like VS), but is just not a good engine. SHS was good because it was pure and could run a million handtraps.
@@Rabbitlord108I don't think a reboot would go over well at all. A new master rule might work (albeit if it were done well.) I don't think we need a new summoning mechanic though.
I wanna say put summoning limit per turn in game, like 5-7 at most, not more. It will tone down lot ridiculous end board nowdays. Tho at same time decks like labyrinth will be dominating. So yea its hard. Reboot or set rotation looks better maybe. Maybe both.
1:49 - At YCS (or SJC) Charlotte 2008, TeleDAD actually took up 93.75% (15 out of 16) of the top cut, leaving only one Lightsworn deck to round it out.
Yugioh doesn’t need a banlist … it needs a BAN , ban the whole game and just throw it out the window it’s so bad and unbalanced… come to DIGIMON TCG and see the light people
im not expecting an emergency banlist from konami. for some absurd or no reason at all, fixing the game's absurd consistency is just not an option. we play cards that has costs, that arnt actually costs (which in fact are card plus or neutral in this game), that has effects that bring out even more cards that loop again...until we've gone through every single card that says once per turn....lets be real here, even if we did get it...how long til the next tier 0..ishizu tearlaments was barely last year....
Well maxx C might not get hit on OCG ever while we DEFINITELY 100% will get hits on snake eye decks anyway, thats for sure. But yea complaining on twitter def not that relevant for konami in general.
That's the issue: Konami can't simply do that in big part because the cards were designed in a way that hitting it is impossible with doing a lot of Carnage, which is not a good Idea when your cards are too new to be hit and need to sell now and in 2025 with the Mega Tin. Also, Konami announced that an Anime/Manga is in the works and one of the Lores that is going to be featured is the Diablestarr Lore (and they can't simply go and do the Firewall Dragon kind of ban since this Anime/Manga is not going to be based on Duels like Vrains was, but based on Lores)
Cap G, I don't agree with an emergency list being submitted without the format unfolding. Also, there was a 4th emergency list that you failed to mention, which was the November 2017 list that tamed "Spyral" after reaching tier 0 status. Sweet vid, as always. Commemorating Ulti-Cannahawk no longer on the F & L list. 🐦⚡️
I think what happen was because hand traps are so strong and can end a game if timed right Konami had to find a way to power creep that. So we are going to see cards that just recover from being countered in the same turn. When the game state that can have up to 3+ negates, bounce, spin, ect. The only way around it is decks that just play through it. That or ban/limit some cards that are causing the need for such cards to be made. Also snake-eyes have more support coming so I doubt they would hit the deck any time soon.
Which can be done in the TCG but not in the OCG which is centered entirely around a Handtrap (Maxx "C") Konami designs their cards mainly with selling them in the OCG in mind.
As much as people hate this take, I think you're right. What bothers me most is Konami went against their own words to do their best to not make tier 0 decks, but not only abandon that statement and also make their product higher rarity compared to the OCG that the secondary market makes the game pay to win. I know Konami will never make the OCG and TCG one game again, but they definitely need to do something about making competitive staple cards higher rarity on purpose to inflate the secondary market. I think we can all say that the rarity collection proved OCG-like product can succeed on both markets here in the TCG.
I played against a snake eyes deck on master duel recently, it made realize i hate something more than a field of negates. I hate decks that play on both turns more than i hate a field of negates...
If all decks play a in both turns it would be kind of lit imo. Playing against an all negate deck you just sit there watching their combo and then every card you play gets negated. Doesnt sound like playing to me
@@GoldCobra314 neither situation is ideal, but snake eyes made me realize how annoying it is when i do just 1 thing, regardless of what action i do, and they play as if it's their turn when it's my turn.
I think the problem does not lay in the engine at all of fire king or snake-eye, sure sinful spoils and wanted are great but imagine if snake-eye did not have I:P Masquerana? I:P banned would basically nullify most of the interaction and root out a lot of other decks that have abused it. Further it would increase the viability of other board breakers such as lightning storm or raigeki
Nah bro im tired of this.. you either lose all your money buying overpriced cards that get immediately devalued, or lose all your duels... yu gi oh is lose lose....and power creep is every 3 months... going to commander format 😂
@@dhantefranklin336 my first deck is going to be miirym green manna ramp... with green dragons and changlings to cast... idk if it'll be good at table yet
I'm going to las vegas with sky striker orcust blind second. I have no plans on topping I'm just here to end someones YCS hopes when I engage into engage on them.
I think what is happening is that the other decks that were competing were hit to make them more fair and by doing so the newer deck is gonna be best. Product plays a role, of course…but it’s a touf spot to be in. Other viable decks that were hit also have to deal with the extreme amount of “hand traps” that basically end their turns. To me Droll is a problem the sane way maxx c was. The sane reasons why maxx c was banned should apply to droll. If droll was not a thing a lot of other decks can compete.
I feel like we might get a new banlist at LEAST by/before April, May at the latest, so it wouldn't matter if we got an emergency banlist now, because we are around a due date for a new banlist. In addition 60-card 3X Crimson King structure might actually seem like a solid choice for new players and old players to pick up for competitive play, though for back row hate cards, I would at least recommend Scarlet Security since it is an in-archetype Harpie's Feather Duster searchable by Crimson Gaia for side deck, if for some reason you couldn't get Red Supernova Dragon on the field.
Limit Wanted, limit Bonfire and ban Amblowhale. The deck will drop back to a reasonable tier 1 overnight so long as you're able to justify siding D.D. Crow at a YCS. The problem is just that this thing is way too fucking consistent and it generates way too much advantage for a midrange deck. I can at least understand Tearlament doing this kinda shit because Tearlament is basically a ramp deck on crack, and Unchained (another midrange deck) was nowhere near this oppressive last format.
@@nsreturn1365 Master Duel is fucking awful. It's a scoop simulator. You show something that makes people scoop, move onto another coin flip. I've moved onto other games.
My big problem with the fire engine stuff is that it renders my Rikka sunavalon deck useless. Right now RS fields a bounce, a forced tribute and a negate if your lucky. It can also floodgate all special summons if your lucky as well. if I go second I cannot break the board without a starter and if I go first and don't draw an extender in hand for either the negate or the floodgate I will always lose. In the pre sinful spoils games it was a toss up based on how I vs my opponent played our cards but here it's a guaranteed loss if I'm unlucky. The only solution I've found as an exclusively plants player (Duel links corrupted me with aroma) is to pivot off rikka and onto traptrix because i can on average throw out more interruptions that turn off cards and floodgate trap hole diabelstar with rafflesia. This seems to yield really great consistency but the games take way longer. The real question then is when will plants get our own fire archetype? Lone fire blossom is a card that could use it's own archetype that would be on theme.
The easiest way to power down Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoils goes as follows. Limit Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar to 1. Having Diabellestar and Wanted at 1, reduces the consistency of opening Original Sinful Spoils spell card. Since Original Sinful Spoils is a hard once per turn, having 3x of them is a liability if you draw multiple in the starting hand, whereas if you limit Diabellestar and Wanted, it greatly limits the range of cards you can add/play from your deck. The next biggest card that needs to be hit is Flamberg Dragon. It needs to be banned. That card is beyond broken in Snake-Eyes and any fire deck that plays level 1 fire monsters that are starters. It is literally the strongest card in that deck. The Snake-Eye engine would be spared if they just ban Flamberg Dragon. Konami can print more new Snake-Eyes monsters to replace Flamberg Dragon but in a much weaker form, but in general Flamberg Dragon is the lynchpin to the really broken part of Snake-Eyes. Promethean Princess at 1 is fine. Helps out all Fire Decks and the best fire target with her effect to revive is undoubtedly Flamberg Dragon. Getting rid of Flamberg Dragon would fix a lot of the current issues along with limiting Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar when it comes to the deck's consistency and power for the next ban list. The Snake-Eyes deck would still be strong with how easy to summon out the Snake-Eyes level 1 monsters for link summoning into Promethean Princess. Without Flamberg Dragon, makes the deck into strong but fair among the meta.
- 3 limits of consistency making the deck annoyingly inconsistent will only result in either bricking or lucking out to do the full combo. - Banning Flamberge means the end of SE as a deck. - Promethean made Typhon completely irrelevant and is the card that also breaks Zealantis/Raging. Not banishing itself on revive is also busted, but triggering on "a special summon to the opponent's field" instead of "if your opponent's special summons a monster" is a prime example of how wording can make cards from "ok" to "borderline broken".
@@babradSnake-Eyes without Flamberge would be fine along with the limits I mentioned earlier. It would rely more on other hybrid engines like Fire Kings/R-ACE archetypes for a bit, then when more Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoils cards get printed in future sets you know will happen, it will help the deck become more of a single archetype again eventually. Trust me on this, Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar at 1 wouldn't make Snake-Eyes bad at all. You would still have Ash and Poplar at three to do the main combo. Also, cards like One for One spell card and Where Arf Though? spell to do a lot of the adding to make up for it. Hitting Original Sinful Spoils spell card to 1 does nothing with those cards in the game. The deck can still win with just the Field Spell and swarm with the level 1 Snake-Eyes. That and plus link monsters and the next Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoil monster in Legacy of Destruction would be enough to be a Tier 1 deck. Of course they wouldn't be that strong like most decks that get heavily hit in the ban list, but it would be fairly strong and future support will just make it better in the long run. You can't deny that Flamberge Dragon is the unfair part of Snake Eyes right now. Like I mentioned about Princess, at 1, it would be fine especially if your opponent should have some sort of counter to her in their main deck.
@@남자파이 It's going to happen eventually like every other Tier 0 deck if you played the game during these formats. Tearlaments got nuked to the ground in wave 1 of ban list, then still topping as best of Tier 1, got hit again banning the Isizhu shufflers as well. Just a matter of when and if Konami wants to weaken Snake-Eyes sooner or wait when they printed more of them before the ban list. I see them not being slow this time around and see a more reactive list hopefully. Limiting the easy +1 card advantage with no effort like Wanted or the banning +5 card advantage with Flamberg dragon is just going to happen. Hitting consistency cards like Diabellestar to 1 is going to happen too with them printing more Sinful Spoil spells/traps in general increasing the usefulness of that monster. Konami will surely make a new Diabellestar named monster to make up with the limit hit on Diabellestar just for another search target for Wanted. Pretty much the amount of support Fallen of Albaz got in around 5 cores sets (1.5 years). An early ban list would just let Konami print more good Sinful spoils/Snake-Eyes cards and not worry as much about balancing it all out with the broken stuff.
No emergency banlist needed. We just had a 20+ deck format for the past 4 months.. let’s just see this format for what it is, a new format. Fire decks are fun as hell right now, and it doesn’t feel oppressive like Tear or Kash formats, respectively.
Which is beyond overkill. Limit Wanted and Ash first and see what happens. You’d have to run 1 Wanted and 2-3 Diabelstar and the best normal summon is now at 1. Just like during Ishizu Tear format, the issue isn’t that the fire deck is too strong, it’s that everything else around it is too weak. Fire mirror matches are the most fun I’ve had since Ishizu Tear format with actual room for skill expression rather than the garbage of Kash/Purrley format where the game devolved into “open your counter card and immediately win.” The interaction from fire decks is perfect and way better than the negate boards you see decks like Mannadium does. The game is actually interactive again like in Ishizu Tear format. We just have the same issue again where there’s not enough decks on par with this to actually have a balanced format. I’d rather see more decks brought up to the same level as Snake Eyes or Ishizu Tear rather than regressing back to garbage like Kashtira.
@@dariuspenner2528 Ash is nice for SE, and it searches everything Original summons. Hitting the free summon from deck is the right move. It actually makes you work of it by discarding it then reviving it with Promethean. Limiting Wanted is terrible because SE is just 1 of the decks related to the Sinful Spoil core. Diabellze comes in the next set, and i bet we'll get 1 in every set mentioning a different Sinful Spoil.
Limiting Wanted is absolutely the right call. It’s a free search with no restrictions. Diabelstar isn’t a hard garnet either so being forced to run 2-3 copies instead of the standard 1 copy isn’t the end of the world. Hitting Sinful Spoils Snake Eyes kills the Diabelstar engine in not just SE but every deck with a decent fire target. It’s also not something you can just limit, you’d have to ban it. Which is why making the Diabelstar engine less consistent and hitting SE in another way is ideal. Poplar ban is excessive and a limit doesn’t do enough. Ash is *the* normal summon of the deck. That in tandem with other hits to the Diabelstar engine makes the deck much more susceptible to hand traps. You don’t need to kill the ceiling, just make it easier to stop. Since righg now the deck can still play through even 2 hand traps sometimes.
@@dariuspenner2528 That free search and potential draw 1 all it can give you is a negate with Silvera if not for OSS. Also most lists run maxed out both Wanted/Diabell. OSS is the equivilant to hitting the SHS link 1, cutting the 15 one-card combos to 6-9 while also requiring extenders instead of making your deck 40% non-engine. Ash/Poplar/Flam shouldn't be touched, while that hit in OSS will also prevent SE/Sinful from being splashed everywhere. I saw comments wanting Kirin/Garunix hit instead which is ridiculous imo, while this engine promotes only degenerate stuff in Infernoble/T.G./Synchro variants (i have them all) SE deck can definitely be still tier 1 without OSS, Divine Temple is severely underrated. It just makes Fire King a standalone deck.
@babrad which is why you limit Wanted to cut back on the consistency of that engine. I also don’t mind that other decks can splash it. It gives a boost to decks like TG that are otherwise actual garbage and Infernoble hasn’t exactly been good without Isolde. Rogue decks can go ahead and have their splash. OSS banned outright kills that engine, whereas limiting Wanted and leaving the rest alone forces people to run more bricky cards that they’d rather search instead. One card combos isn’t why SE is good. The deck’s ability to combo through every single hand trap aside from Shifter is why it’s good. One card combos are inherently susceptible to hand traps unless if they’re specifically designed like Circular/Wakaushi to avoid losing to them. Limit Ash and now you open it less often and can’t just Ash into Poplar. Sure you can get to it other ways, but those other ways then open you up to hand traps. Hitting Ash also makes the deck way more fragile in the grind game, which is half the reason why SE Fire King is as dominant as it is. The issue isn’t playing into the board, it’s playing into the board knowing full well you have to deal with it all over again the next turn as well because the resource loop is so tight. I’d rather hit consistency and make the deck more fragile to hand traps so a combination of lower impact hand traps like Veiler, Crow, Ash, Belle, etc. is enough to slow them down. That still lets the deck be playable without gutting the only thing making a bunch of rogue decks viable. I also hard disagree that SE would still be good without OSS. You’d have to replace 8 cards in deck if that gets banned because there’s no real reason to play the Diabelstar package at that point. There’s not enough worthwhile stuff to replace it and you’d end up with so many more games where you brick on non engine, which is reminiscent of Kashtira format and is just horrible Yugioh.
I think one thing will help is, during the next banlist they should probably limit Bonfire like ROTA, before Snake-Eye Bonfire made sense, but now with all the fire support, Bonfire’s just as good as ROTA
Not every end board. If you open Ash and Diabellstar (or Bonfire/Wanted to search them) you can end up with a 4 negates Apollousa, Baronne and Savage (and Linkuriboh). Not saying that banning Princess wouldn't do anything, it certainly would, it's just that not every end board involves her.
They hitting a deck that people are spending 1200$+ forget about. This is gonna be national format and probably continental to, so get used to. I like? Of course not, i completely priced out of this format, my hope is that Konami have a little vision and reprint theses cards sooner than later, but they will not also... Now for me the real discussion is that pro-players are commanding the future of yugioh, two tier 0 in what? 2 years? And some much time of kashtira completely out powering every one else, kashtira may not be on tier 0 "status quo" but in reality it was a tier 0. So in less than 2 years, three tier 0 decks is insane. And this completely take out the majority of the community from really competing with this guy's. And there's a worse thing in my opinion, this guys 10-15 of them, are training together, sharing the best tech's, the best strategies, the best decklists. They are already great players, but they enter a tournament with a overwhelming advantage over anyone else, if you look to pro-players outside of this bubble they don't make the cut so often, unfortunately is a unfair game, there's a term called "Crony capitalism" in yugioh we have a crony player-base. We need to have this discussion and how to change, but no one have the balls to do...
almost as if yugioh is literally the same thing when it comes to the top gameplay... spam the board, board flooded with negates because you won die roll, and opponent counts cards in hand and can't do anything concedes. repeat.
That wasnt an emergency banlist. It came out on the first date it could. We had "no sooner then..." back then, and it did came out exactly on that date.
What I would say to hit is as follows limit wanted, limit bonfire limit poplar and limit princess. It would make 1 dd crow severely hinder the deck and make so the deck loses consistency the reason this decks are made tier 0 is mostly due to consistency most people would not say zoo had the best end board in the 2017 tier 0 format but it was the most consistent yugioh deck in the history of this game
I think straight-up increasing the pullrates for secrets and ultra would help. It's too ludicous atm trying to get any at all, when you need a x3 playset of anything and everything in secret rare
I agree with original sinful spoils - snake eye but I disagree on wanted. Literally my only reason being the card is too expensive to get hit. I think the price on cards like that guarantee it won’t get hit till re-print because $$$.
Something I think would be a good thing : ban or at least limite all pass turn cards like the last like anti spell, Nibiru or Shifter. It's like there can be only one or rivalry, one card can destroy the opponent on his first turn... or the very first turn in Nibiru and Shifter case
I really disagree with the of Banning OSS would instantly kill the deck, besides that I agree with the hits, i would also hit the fire king cards on top of the snake eyes hits. Kirin being limited would be a good hit towards fire king
If you hit OSS, neither Snake Eyes, Fire Kings, nor Sinful Package need another hit. Hitting Kirin is absurd because without bridging into Ponix you need to hard draw into FK engine, which is completely fair on its own. We have YCS Bologna to show this off. Wanted/Diabel will have other Sinful Spoils to interact with since this is the "lore" and we even get a new target in LeDe using Diabellze and illusion. So hitting OSS is not only a balancing move, it also promotes future sales, a win-win for Konami.
the wont hit oss as it allows the deck to have explosive plays. But banning it would not kill the deck. The deck has so many good cards. best solution is to limit ash and maybe something else
Anti-Spell is definitely gonna be limited, and to that extent, Summon Limit, also. Frankly, fire decks for the moment are gonna cook while they can, and then the Bestowed Dragons will run the ones. Gonna have to find my Trident Dragion soon so I don't have to buy another ultra rare of it.
honestly these hits wouldnt stop either version from being the best deck. Ban the floodgate though. I think people just enjoy snakes and are opting for it over other decks that could potentially win. It doesnt help that konami nerfed every other competitive deck right before this. Thats actually what makes snake eyes look good.
Can you add some stompy dinos? I have a dino-focused deck (by DL standards) that is definitely still fun when it goes off. My favorite may be the spot removal that I can work other plays with, beyond the big feet of the lot of course.
@@residentgrey Sorry, I don't see stompy dinos fitting in this deck specifically. I am playing off the Pompeii them with Ashened and using Volcanics to represent the repeated eruption. A few flavor cards like Lava Golem. I am surprised it is not pyro. Staples like Ash Blossom have been completely dropped. Now I need to get my card list under 50.
Limit/semi-limit Ash and/or hit the diabellestar engine, attacking sinful spoils snake eyes is fine too but I wouldn’t ban it imo. Personally don’t believe in completely killing decks and banning sinful spoils snake eyes essentially does that. Would rather hit the consistency of the engine like limiting/semi-limiting ash and/or hitting the main Diabellestar engine.
I'd hit Snake-Eye Ash over Wanted, especially if you ban Original Sinful (which makes Diabellstar much weaker, Snake-Eye decks can still use her for a negate with Betrayal, which is fine). Limiting Ash means they often have to play into Droll to get going with Bonfire, or play more extenders to get deck access. Might be overkill though since the Original hit would do a huge number on the Deck.
"Konami hit a lot of floodgates people weren't even playing" No, people were siding those three cards constantly depending on which deck they played. Those floodgates benefit them and hurt their opponent depending on the matchup. Which is exactly why Anti-Spell needs to get hit. Maybe even Summon Limit too once people start abusing that.
@@HuhJuhWuh the real issue is Sanctifire not summoning to the opponent's field with the effect negated. Triggering Albaz that way was an awesome thought, but as it is Sanctifire limits future card design overall. Puppet is a self-lock and not something design to hinder the opponent like Artifact Scythe.
As an old player I feel like this is the first time (for a modern deck) I'd say keep the deck as is and get the rest up to speed. I like the way it interacts, maybe needs a bit of tuning down, but not a huge hit. I'm hopeful every meta relevant deck will be similarly designed in the future. The past years have been less enjoyable compared to this. If not for the price point I'd be playing it, but now I just play salamangreat and budget snake-eyes volcanics. It's been a blast.
I do like your vids but Australia does exist and our YCS is 2nd weekend in March this year (Normally it’s mid January) I know we aren’t as large as most American venues and tournaments have. It would be nice to make reference to us here from at least 1 YugiTuber haha
6:46 imo this could go to 1 and it would be fine, I agree with the wanted limit. Ban promethian princess, not likely to happen since it just released but without the promethian it hits all fire strategies at once and tbh promethian princess just lowers skill ceiling of games, summon 3 monsters summon promethian then summon anything basically from grave along with interruption it’s pretty obvious what the problem card is
the bigger problem with the overall "strength" of this deck is outside of the "3 of" cards most of the engine is just 1 of monsters that don't care what kind of interaction that you use, which is the same reason why Tear was so good didn't matter what you did it could just churn out more then your handtraps can eat up and that's the honestly it's the flaw in the game has as it has been so far. And since it only has the at most "1 ofs" for alot of the engine you can cram in so much non-engine interuptions that its like "ok so can you play thru 4 points of interaction" and eat thru there turn instead.. So short of doing a old yeller like they did with Tear (with most of the ishizu gone you could probably let up on the leash a bit) I don't think this is gonna go anywhere Alot of deck's just honestly need the same strength of in archtype support and not get kneecapped (like airlifter was) by konami to push sales of new product...
As much as i think a banlist is needed. Im not somone that wants to always want banlists to solve the meta game sometimes we just need to deal with the bad period. Yugioh players will complain about whatever the format is. The foramt prior to phnm was very good and open. The best way to deal with this is similar to what they did with tear they need to give the deck a good period of time to be played. As people have spent a lot of money on the deck. However, hopefully they can find a way to hit the deck keeping it the best deck but just reducing it power so more decks can be played. The main solution to this problem is for konami to give use more solution to decks. or to make the gap between deck less.The need to make rogue decks better and stop giving the best decks everything Like why the hell is princes generic, doesnt negate what it summons, doesnt banish itself when it brings itslef back from grave and is only a continues restiction to fires. I thought we would of learned this with gaurdgradons.
This is tough Personally i feel like the format need maybe two ycs's to see what happens before and emergency banlist But i think depending on how dominant the fire decks become in those next two events will determine direct hits or indirect but still useful Kind of hoping that if we get an e banlist they just decide to semi limit dibellstar or wanted but give time for the people who bought these expensive cards to use them
I still don't understand why 3v3 don't have a shared deck building rule. If all three of your decks could just be one deck with a sideboard, it feels like a missed opportunity to force people to make interesting build decisions.
I'm not the only one who thinks Promethean Princess is probably the single most banworthy card in the deck, right? She's a FIRE-locked Summon Sorceress who also summons herself AND pops a card as an interrupt from the GY, it's ridiculous.
If anything is going to be hit. It’s definitely going to be Fire King related that’ll be the first casualty. If not then Ash and Original Sinful Spoils - Snake Eye is the first to be hit
I don't see them hitting anything out of AGOV/MAZE/PHNI that is a Ultra and above tbh. (Financial Reason) Maybe the Anti-Spell hit is something, but that's not the main problem of this format. Maybe hitting SE Ash to 1 or 0, but then again, you just hit consistency and that's it (Maybe losing Ash would make the deck too weak? I can't really say, I think it would still be playable with 3 Bonfire, 1-3 Original, Poplar, Wanted Engine and Prosperity). An E-List could be good, but I just don't see it. Konami didn't do anything in Tear 0 Format so why would they now?
Ycs Sydney is less than a month after ycs Vegas btw. That ycs has hit max capacity as far as I know so it should have over 2000 players. It’s the first single person ycs of the year. Also banning original basically invalidates diabellstar since it has nothing good to set and is no longer a starter. Also I think they should just ban anti spell, it’s just imperial order 2.0
Limiting Wanted
Me with only one: Ah yes, excellent
Will the real budget players please stand up
If u don’t like fire there’s 3 budget shifter decks being Kash(the schoolyard bully), Floo(simple bird brain) and Exo(girls and a cup joke) and at the moment I’m on Exo
@@SANS22418 honestly, I did well with Kashtira as it's my pet deck, however I will sell the field spells and retire it until Rarity Collection since the field spells would drop drastically after a few months.
I don't like playing Floo as it does not feel fun.
But I might try Exosister
Dm does well with 3 leave it alone :(
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Im so sick of generic broken engines
Well, get used to em. Konami loves em. We've had broken engines for like forever. It gets old. The formula. They make a broken deck. People buy it. They dominate. Then they ban parts of it. Then, make the next broken thing. Along the way, we get crazy staples to help counter the current broken thing, and the games powercreep grows and grows. This game could be way better with set rotation.
In the last few years a lot of new "archetypes" are just engines. Konami needs to do a better job at releasing an archetype with more than 10 cards imo. I do think it is because of how the game is designed and how power creep necessitates that cards do a lot by themselves, thus cutting down cards per archetype and increasing effects per card.
Seeing the other replies & comments. I seriously hope Cap makes a video discussing the major changes people have suggested for fixing the Yugioh TCG (Set rotation, A new master rule, Giving the license to say Bandai Namco, A reboot, ect. And yes I acknowledge the last two are mine)
@@Rabbitlord108 A reboot sounds possible. Maybe give it some different rules to spice things up, like extra draws and normal summons, and more limited board space.
@@Zetact_ If only there was something that they haven't brought over despite the animes of said format having gotten English dubs
Don't forget glad beasts may 2008 where they won every sjc for 6 months straight and took up 10 of top 16 every time too
Ah Glad format, good times. Day 1684 of waiting for new Gladiator Beast support to arrive.
It just needs multiple metas or multiple old school formats. I don't understand why Konami is ignoring the old schools. That's the problem.
They arent, tho they indeed not investing on it enough. But they surely realized the market and potential.
Thats why every YCS now has side event time wizard fomat, usually GOAT and edison. Soon in last vegas they will include TOSS and tengu plant. They also recently added many repreints for ood edison cards in battle of legend.
But i agree they still not investin on them enough. They shouldve begin by add more coverage to it like included in stream and adding commentary to time wizard side event.
A big problem is that the comparative balance of the game and the marketability and monetization of products are entirely at odds. Making amazing cards in new sets moves product and makes stores and vendors happy. But it makes the balance difficult and hurts the gameplay side of things. As well as scaring away/pricing out new and old players alike. They are almost entirely at odds with each other.
I think they should be printing more of the good chase cards in lower rarity in the same set and more other high rarirty versions so that players, collectors and stores win.
I actually think the ban list should be drastically reduced. Instead of banning and limiting, konami should focus on making lower-tier archetypes stronger. Any format that only supprts 2-4 competitive archetype at a time is never going to bring in new players or become a serious esport. We have over 10k something cards and yet only a handful are useful. We've lost deck build creativity, unique problem solving, and individualism.
I hate it because they could’ve made monsters out of that secondary effects. Remember when Konami came out with expansive archetypes other than the main narrative they are working on like fallen albaz.
Im just annoyed that Lo costs like 80 a copy because I really wanna play voiceless voice as a longtime ritual lover, but because it’s kinda good, I have to pay almost $300 for the core.
Same thing happened to me with Vanquish Soul. I was excited till I seen the prices.
I bought Centurion for way to much Just cause they can perform the stupid calamity Lock with ease and i dont even use that Lock so i would Love to See that stupid lv12 synchron Dragon geting banned
Same, I played Mikanko despite its defunct state for that reason. It sucks that i'm gated this hard. And on top of it Mikanko is not good anymore, and i'm hoping to play a ritual archetype that I enjoy. On top if this all the stuff I played was hit like Rikka.
phfff, just 300. that is 3 coppies of bonfire dude.
don't complain.
@@skullwolff9442 Some people don’t have a few hundred dollars laying around for yugioh. If you wanna spend $300 for 3 cards and not think that’s expensive then that’s fine. Not everyone is going to feel the same way.
It is just sad that just a few weeks it felt like 20 decks could top a tournament. Now only I guess technically 2 decks mainly just fire wins. The pros got what they wanted time to not play for a few months again.
It’s so silly that people think the pros have anything to do with this. Both formats are fine, the ebb and flow is what it’s all about. Playing the 20 deck format from October-February was cool, now it’s time for a tighter format; this can list 3-4 months as well, then maybe we move to a triangle format for 3 months, and then back to a wide format. It’s all good. Just have fun with it
@@jordanshultz6242 Wish more ppl would see it this way instead of instantly complaining about it.
Please explain having a narrow format is good.
@@thekittenfreakify mirror matches can be incredibly fun. This mirror has been an absolute blast at locals, it’s very interesting the interactions with the opponents cards and using them as resources for your own plays. It’s very skill expressive, and that’s very fun and rewarding for a lot of people. Not to mention, coming up with a creative rogue strategy that plays into the metas weaknesses is a great way for someone who wants to do creative deck building to enjoy themselves as well. 1-2 deck formats aren’t the best forever. But they are great after a format where planning was essentially useless as you could go up against 30 different decks. That format was fun too, but different. I feel way more challenged and motivated this format than I did in January.
@@jordanshultz6242 what you described is not fun at all. I like facing diffrent decks not the same deck over and over. I argue matchup knowledge in a diverse format is more rewarding. Same for knowing your deck so well hand traps seem to have no effect.
Current format playing against and even watching the events has been a bore.
Fire King is a deck that I love and I was stoked when the support in the new Structure Deck was revealed. All of it is exactly what the deck needed. What I take issue with however is the Snake-Eye package. Pure Fire King is a fun control deck meant to trip up your opponent by making them play around a Dark Hole that could turn live with one wrong move. Fire King Snake-Eye into a bland Link spam deck that bores me to no end. Personally I love the Dogmatika variant and would love for the Snake-Eye package to die so that one of my favorite archetypes can return to form.
exactly. Every time I see that deck get played at my locals I always say to myself- this isn't fire kings. Fire Kings love high garunix but there is next to no fire kings on the field
I'm playing Fire kings/Snake-eyes atm but I agree with you. The deck was way more fun for me a couple months ago when it was mainly fire king heavy. Now it's snake-eyes heavy and while It doesn't HEAVILY bother me, it doesn't help when every card being added to what was supposed to be a Fire king deck is high in price. Wanted was one thing but i think the price for bonfire is fucking ridiculous.
These 1 card combos that go into full boards because of how the deck flows is one of the biggest problems of yugioh in general, tcg, ocg, master duel and duel links.
The other being generic extra deck monsters that are much stronger than most in archetype extra deck monsters.
I don’t know how ended up on this channel lol but I was watching how companies rip off their customers 😅😅
Komoney must stop to smoking when they creat a new archetype or monster.
They must creat more « fair » cards and 1-2 MAX distribut board.
Can't blame them,we've been giving them soo much money to smoke. At least so far this year all that smoke gave us brand new animations from their studio
The problem right now is that is what they're doing. Every other deck in the format is so fair that a high powered hyper consistent near zero weakness deck came in and swept. They probably didn't realize how high the ceiling was.
We keep throwing money at them despite their digusting habits.
Shouldn't even be limited, just ban anti spell and d barrier while they're at it
D barrier i'm all for.
Anti Spell is "ehhh" but for what its worth you can always just run PSY-Framegear Delta if you really want to stop spells. I won't mourn Anti-Spell's loss if it comes to that.
I just want to summon a Lunalight Leo Dancer in peace man.
I think you forgot 6th Sense Emergency Ban List. The beautiful: I'm gonna get SOMETHING out of this card no matter what.
I believe there was also an emergency list for quick fix If I remember correctly
@@vampireguy92ryan81 a lot people want to class these as emergency banlist. They were really pen was really the only one where they changed it for locals. They did give use a banlist for spyral two weeks after being full power. However those hits were great they still maintained the deck to be the best deck but took its consitency down several levels so other deck could be played. Which is what they need to do if they are to have a list. Slow the deck down a decent amount but it should still be the best deck. Not sure what to hit like maybe limted wanted and ash. So the deck plays into droll a little more.
Orginal ban would be too big a hit just now.
@lenabo9929 I honestly don't believe they need to hit SE ash. Limit wanted and ash blossom if they want and they can semi limit original snake eyes. The biggest thing is the SE don't exactly have negates like FK and yet ppl want to hit SE. 🙄
I will respectfully disagree. The problem isn't Snake-Eyes in a vacuum or the Diabellstar engine; it is rather the generic nature of engines now and the generic nature of extra deck boss monsters. I actually think this form of playstyle, while overly consistent and oppressing to those not playing Fire, is probably the most "fair" the game has been in at least 8 years. The powercreep Tear Ishizu brought was among the worst things I have ever seen this game go through, and legitimately stopped me from playing anymore. I won't get into how the cost of the game is a giant paywall and does not reflect the playerbase in a general sense, but it is a factor into how these decks are influenced and hit, because the problem cards will not be hit at least until they are reprinted, and what will happen is probably a limitation to Kyrin or Ponix. We should let the game play out for this format
the problem is 100% snake-eyes and diabellstar. these aren't generic engines. they're specifically designed to be played together. they're even in the same lore. also the deck doesn't even use that many extra deck monsters anyway besides princess and a few others
@@yuseifido5706 Thats what i was thinking like playing 3 wanted and 1 diabell and original can be considered playing the engine once you start adding in anything else your flat out just playing the deck.
Correct. The minute one generic engine gets checked, another one gets released not long afterwards. The core of the problem comes down to overall card design and the market plain and simple. This is one of the few times where I'm glad it costs an arm and a leg to access fire decks otherwise the problem would be way worse than it is now. The paywall IMO is actually preventing the fire stuff from being on the same level as PEPE tier 0.
dude 16 man event 1 guy played a 500€ ish deck everyin else 1.2k decks. thats over 15k € , why should komoney do a e ban list when people are still buying it. even lo, is 80€ ,thats maybe the 4 best deck in the meta rn, nahh mate iam staying on my sprights until the prices go down and its diverse again. ( ps yes even i have to run the super unfun shifter variant locking me out of any cool plays spright has as a deck)
This guy has like 100+ comments on this channel, terminally online mentally ill. Him getting that ❤ from this channel is like his mission, its the highlight of his day.
I am just tired of tier 0 formats we had in 1,5 years 2 of them. That is absolutely insane!
Yeah, usually there's a 3-5 year cooldown between tier 0 formats, having 2 withing 3 years has been exhausting.
@@AzzyReal Not to mention the format immediately following Tear 0 Format was diminated heavily by full power Kashtira because Arise Heart just needed to have that walking Macro effect. So we went from a tier 0 format to a very narrow format, then finally in the latter half of the year a wider format Pre-AGOV, now back to square one.
This isn’t a tier 0 format. Close, but not quite. Only way you get tier 0 is if you count every deck that splashes a Sinful Spoils package as the same deck. Not even remotely comparable to the dominance of Fusion Sub Zoo, Spyral, Nekroz, or Ishizu Tear.
@@dariuspenner2528 Bruh there's a chart in this video showing that Snake-Eye is getting over 80% representation.
@Zetact_ you only get that >80% figure if you lump together every deck that splashes a Snake Eyes engine as the same deck. Which if that’s what you want to do then Adventure was a tier 0 deck too because that engine was splashed into everything.
Full power zoo was tie 0 format I believe take up more then 65% of top decks and tear too
Spyral had 88% for a bit
Konami’s biggest problem is one word: “generic.” Diabellstar doesn’t send an in-archetype card. Neither does Sinful Spoils. We saw a similar issue with Tear where they were never locked into Fusions only, or Tearlament only. Another piece of the problem is that Konami does this with what are clearly their favorite archetypes and personal projects. Everything else has restrictions, balance, then they let their own projects run rampant.
Original Sinful Spoils banned will kill Snake Eye. The deck doesn't have much extension ability without that card and Snake-eye Birch. It also makes it so that the Dark Witch is useless in the deck. That being said, if Original is banned, Wanted should be untouched. The deck would be dead without that unnecessary hit.
I would just put Ash to 1 that’s it
They have a Snake-Eye Diabellstar that makes the field a 3off. Hitting Original doesn't kill the deck, it just makes it fair by cutting both Fire King and Synchro variants so you don't just rely on a 1 card 7 interruptions board while you also get space for 15+ non-engine.
IMO this is a direct upgrade to SHS (in quality and NOT ceiling) that was also hit very early because it would promote a toxic format if only Ariseheart was banned.
Lmao what are you smoking that doesnt kill the deck at all 🤣
I see. This is the type of people who whine about tier 0 decks. Maybe if you played the deck, you would get an idea.
The deck has no real combo lines if Original is banned. (1) Poplar would get you nothing useful when normal summoned (no, temple does nothing in this case), (2) Ash ends on a link 2 pass unless you hard opened birch or bonfire, (3) you can't play the Diabellestar engine with PHNI support only, (4) The deck already has few starters and can brick on non-engine. Without the wanted engine, it even bricks harder.
@@babrad We are in PHNI format, not LEDE format. Snake-eye diabellstar is not a point until it comes out. And SHS always shows up as an engine with other decks (like VS), but is just not a good engine. SHS was good because it was pure and could run a million handtraps.
U gotta point cap man literally the entire pie is pretty much half fire king and half snake eyes
I think this is the norm now. Power creep is what sells cards. No emergency banlist needed.
I'd rather a new Master Rule.
@@Rabbitlord108I don't think a reboot would go over well at all.
A new master rule might work (albeit if it were done well.) I don't think we need a new summoning mechanic though.
Rotating format.
The game has needed some new rules for years now. Im so bored with it no matter what new decks come out.
Ritual Monsters should have been in the Extra Deck since the very beginning. Never too late to make that happen.
I wanna say put summoning limit per turn in game, like 5-7 at most, not more. It will tone down lot ridiculous end board nowdays.
Tho at same time decks like labyrinth will be dominating. So yea its hard.
Reboot or set rotation looks better maybe. Maybe both.
1:49 - At YCS (or SJC) Charlotte 2008, TeleDAD actually took up 93.75% (15 out of 16) of the top cut, leaving only one Lightsworn deck to round it out.
the YCS after Vegas is YCS sydney on march 8th-10th would really suck for a banlist to come out that early would for sure hurt numbers
to be honest i am happy that fire monsters finally got their time in the spotlight and it burning brightly! pun intended
Kamal Crooks goes from a top 8 in Pokémon Regional to a YCS 3v3 Win. This is the guy
He’s been on that grind for many years
LOL But he discarded 2 win condition cards and lost to mawile though :O
@@lionhartcaelum6833But he still got top 8 and some cash, I'm not saying he play amazing, I'm looking at what he accomplished
@@ChazBlanks oh yeah not taking his flowers away but we also gotta acknowledge that he didnt respect mawile
@@lionhartcaelum6833I totally agree, he disregarded the Mawile in an already bad matchup and got punished for it
Yugioh doesn’t need a banlist … it needs a BAN , ban the whole game and just throw it out the window it’s so bad and unbalanced… come to DIGIMON TCG and see the light people
im not expecting an emergency banlist from konami. for some absurd or no reason at all, fixing the game's absurd consistency is just not an option. we play cards that has costs, that arnt actually costs (which in fact are card plus or neutral in this game), that has effects that bring out even more cards that loop again...until we've gone through every single card that says once per turn....lets be real here, even if we did get it...how long til the next tier 0..ishizu tearlaments was barely last year....
There was another emergency ban list in 2017; when spyral got neutered. Just wanted to add that.
I wished Konami listen or atleast heard your words not only this one but you had actually adress many of the problems that yuguioh has right now
Dunno about complaining on twitter. Considering no amount of complaints is enough to make Konami ban Maxx C in Master Duel or OCG
From what I've heard Maxx c isn't a problem in the ocg.
Master duel though........
(Fuck Maxx C)
Well maxx C might not get hit on OCG ever while we DEFINITELY 100% will get hits on snake eye decks anyway, thats for sure.
But yea complaining on twitter def not that relevant for konami in general.
"emergency ban list post Vegas, the next YCS wouldn't be for over a month-" YCS Sydney: aight ima head out
I think you’re right the problem is what do you hit without messing up the next set due to two of its key cards being fire support
That's the issue: Konami can't simply do that in big part because the cards were designed in a way that hitting it is impossible with doing a lot of Carnage, which is not a good Idea when your cards are too new to be hit and need to sell now and in 2025 with the Mega Tin. Also, Konami announced that an Anime/Manga is in the works and one of the Lores that is going to be featured is the Diablestarr Lore (and they can't simply go and do the Firewall Dragon kind of ban since this Anime/Manga is not going to be based on Duels like Vrains was, but based on Lores)
Cap G, I don't agree with an emergency list being submitted without the format unfolding. Also, there was a 4th emergency list that you failed to mention, which was the November 2017 list that tamed "Spyral" after reaching tier 0 status. Sweet vid, as always.
Commemorating Ulti-Cannahawk no longer on the F & L list. 🐦⚡️
Also wasn’t the ban of Mystic Mine in the TCG an emergency list ?
What else needs to "unfold" the next 2-3 YCS's having 90%+ Snake Eyes Fire in top cut?
We need emergency REPRINTS.
I think what happen was because hand traps are so strong and can end a game if timed right Konami had to find a way to power creep that. So we are going to see cards that just recover from being countered in the same turn. When the game state that can have up to 3+ negates, bounce, spin, ect. The only way around it is decks that just play through it. That or ban/limit some cards that are causing the need for such cards to be made. Also snake-eyes have more support coming so I doubt they would hit the deck any time soon.
Which can be done in the TCG but not in the OCG which is centered entirely around a Handtrap (Maxx "C")
Konami designs their cards mainly with selling them in the OCG in mind.
As much as people hate this take, I think you're right. What bothers me most is Konami went against their own words to do their best to not make tier 0 decks, but not only abandon that statement and also make their product higher rarity compared to the OCG that the secondary market makes the game pay to win. I know Konami will never make the OCG and TCG one game again, but they definitely need to do something about making competitive staple cards higher rarity on purpose to inflate the secondary market. I think we can all say that the rarity collection proved OCG-like product can succeed on both markets here in the TCG.
I played against a snake eyes deck on master duel recently, it made realize i hate something more than a field of negates. I hate decks that play on both turns more than i hate a field of negates...
If all decks play a in both turns it would be kind of lit imo. Playing against an all negate deck you just sit there watching their combo and then every card you play gets negated. Doesnt sound like playing to me
@@GoldCobra314 neither situation is ideal, but snake eyes made me realize how annoying it is when i do just 1 thing, regardless of what action i do, and they play as if it's their turn when it's my turn.
@@holydracoeva2476 yeah i understand what you mean! The Turn Player should defenetly have More actions^^
Fire king was not bad to duel before, now with it being snake eyes, i havent won once.
I think the problem does not lay in the engine at all of fire king or snake-eye, sure sinful spoils and wanted are great but imagine if snake-eye did not have I:P Masquerana? I:P banned would basically nullify most of the interaction and root out a lot of other decks that have abused it. Further it would increase the viability of other board breakers such as lightning storm or raigeki
Nah bro im tired of this.. you either lose all your money buying overpriced cards that get immediately devalued, or lose all your duels... yu gi oh is lose lose....and power creep is every 3 months... going to commander format 😂
I did exactly this 5 years ago. It's pretty fun.
@@dhantefranklin336 my first deck is going to be miirym green manna ramp... with green dragons and changlings to cast... idk if it'll be good at table yet
@aaronfromlv1552 It's Miirym. You can literally play clones and still overwhelm the table.
I'm going to las vegas with sky striker orcust blind second.
I have no plans on topping I'm just here to end someones YCS hopes when I engage into engage on them.
😂
It's petty but I like it
maybe if they enforced the hygiene rules at yugioh events we wouldn't get someone this gross as a champion.
I think what is happening is that the other decks that were competing were hit to make them more fair and by doing so the newer deck is gonna be best. Product plays a role, of course…but it’s a touf spot to be in. Other viable decks that were hit also have to deal with the extreme amount of “hand traps” that basically end their turns. To me Droll is a problem the sane way maxx c was. The sane reasons why maxx c was banned should apply to droll. If droll was not a thing a lot of other decks can compete.
I feel like we might get a new banlist at LEAST by/before April, May at the latest, so it wouldn't matter if we got an emergency banlist now, because we are around a due date for a new banlist.
In addition 60-card 3X Crimson King structure might actually seem like a solid choice for new players and old players to pick up for competitive play, though for back row hate cards, I would at least recommend Scarlet Security since it is an in-archetype Harpie's Feather Duster searchable by Crimson Gaia for side deck, if for some reason you couldn't get Red Supernova Dragon on the field.
Limit Wanted, limit Bonfire and ban Amblowhale. The deck will drop back to a reasonable tier 1 overnight so long as you're able to justify siding D.D. Crow at a YCS.
The problem is just that this thing is way too fucking consistent and it generates way too much advantage for a midrange deck. I can at least understand Tearlament doing this kinda shit because Tearlament is basically a ramp deck on crack, and Unchained (another midrange deck) was nowhere near this oppressive last format.
My locals died with Tear and never recovered, even during the good formats.
switch to master duel, cheaper and more fun , and you get away with meme decks that would never work in a tourney...
@@nsreturn1365 Master Duel is fucking awful. It's a scoop simulator. You show something that makes people scoop, move onto another coin flip. I've moved onto other games.
I don't see any Snake-Eye card getting hit. All Snake-Eye but Poplar are on reprint clock in late summer.
My big problem with the fire engine stuff is that it renders my Rikka sunavalon deck useless. Right now RS fields a bounce, a forced tribute and a negate if your lucky. It can also floodgate all special summons if your lucky as well. if I go second I cannot break the board without a starter and if I go first and don't draw an extender in hand for either the negate or the floodgate I will always lose. In the pre sinful spoils games it was a toss up based on how I vs my opponent played our cards but here it's a guaranteed loss if I'm unlucky. The only solution I've found as an exclusively plants player (Duel links corrupted me with aroma) is to pivot off rikka and onto traptrix because i can on average throw out more interruptions that turn off cards and floodgate trap hole diabelstar with rafflesia. This seems to yield really great consistency but the games take way longer. The real question then is when will plants get our own fire archetype? Lone fire blossom is a card that could use it's own archetype that would be on theme.
Honestly, that is less the fault of fire than the limiting of Drias. I speak as a fellow plant man.
3:25 Wasn't stratos also an emergency ban (more like an emergency limit, but you get my point) for the ban list?
The easiest way to power down Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoils goes as follows. Limit Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar to 1. Having Diabellestar and Wanted at 1, reduces the consistency of opening Original Sinful Spoils spell card. Since Original Sinful Spoils is a hard once per turn, having 3x of them is a liability if you draw multiple in the starting hand, whereas if you limit Diabellestar and Wanted, it greatly limits the range of cards you can add/play from your deck.
The next biggest card that needs to be hit is Flamberg Dragon. It needs to be banned. That card is beyond broken in Snake-Eyes and any fire deck that plays level 1 fire monsters that are starters. It is literally the strongest card in that deck. The Snake-Eye engine would be spared if they just ban Flamberg Dragon. Konami can print more new Snake-Eyes monsters to replace Flamberg Dragon but in a much weaker form, but in general Flamberg Dragon is the lynchpin to the really broken part of Snake-Eyes.
Promethean Princess at 1 is fine. Helps out all Fire Decks and the best fire target with her effect to revive is undoubtedly Flamberg Dragon. Getting rid of Flamberg Dragon would fix a lot of the current issues along with limiting Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar when it comes to the deck's consistency and power for the next ban list. The Snake-Eyes deck would still be strong with how easy to summon out the Snake-Eyes level 1 monsters for link summoning into Promethean Princess. Without Flamberg Dragon, makes the deck into strong but fair among the meta.
- 3 limits of consistency making the deck annoyingly inconsistent will only result in either bricking or lucking out to do the full combo.
- Banning Flamberge means the end of SE as a deck.
- Promethean made Typhon completely irrelevant and is the card that also breaks Zealantis/Raging. Not banishing itself on revive is also busted, but triggering on "a special summon to the opponent's field" instead of "if your opponent's special summons a monster" is a prime example of how wording can make cards from "ok" to "borderline broken".
@@babradSnake-Eyes without Flamberge would be fine along with the limits I mentioned earlier. It would rely more on other hybrid engines like Fire Kings/R-ACE archetypes for a bit, then when more Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoils cards get printed in future sets you know will happen, it will help the deck become more of a single archetype again eventually.
Trust me on this, Wanted, Bonfire, and Diabellestar at 1 wouldn't make Snake-Eyes bad at all. You would still have Ash and Poplar at three to do the main combo. Also, cards like One for One spell card and Where Arf Though? spell to do a lot of the adding to make up for it. Hitting Original Sinful Spoils spell card to 1 does nothing with those cards in the game.
The deck can still win with just the Field Spell and swarm with the level 1 Snake-Eyes. That and plus link monsters and the next Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoil monster in Legacy of Destruction would be enough to be a Tier 1 deck. Of course they wouldn't be that strong like most decks that get heavily hit in the ban list, but it would be fairly strong and future support will just make it better in the long run.
You can't deny that Flamberge Dragon is the unfair part of Snake Eyes right now. Like I mentioned about Princess, at 1, it would be fine especially if your opponent should have some sort of counter to her in their main deck.
@@voidlockdragon1406 "Just limit everything that makes the deck good" is not a good banlist philosophy.
@@남자파이 It's going to happen eventually like every other Tier 0 deck if you played the game during these formats. Tearlaments got nuked to the ground in wave 1 of ban list, then still topping as best of Tier 1, got hit again banning the Isizhu shufflers as well. Just a matter of when and if Konami wants to weaken Snake-Eyes sooner or wait when they printed more of them before the ban list. I see them not being slow this time around and see a more reactive list hopefully.
Limiting the easy +1 card advantage with no effort like Wanted or the banning +5 card advantage with Flamberg dragon is just going to happen. Hitting consistency cards like Diabellestar to 1 is going to happen too with them printing more Sinful Spoil spells/traps in general increasing the usefulness of that monster.
Konami will surely make a new Diabellestar named monster to make up with the limit hit on Diabellestar just for another search target for Wanted. Pretty much the amount of support Fallen of Albaz got in around 5 cores sets (1.5 years). An early ban list would just let Konami print more good Sinful spoils/Snake-Eyes cards and not worry as much about balancing it all out with the broken stuff.
At what cost Payne at what cost?
We need Icejade support. It only makes sense to fight fire with water
It feels more like we dont need one but im not opposed to the idea of an emergency banlist
No emergency banlist needed. We just had a 20+ deck format for the past 4 months.. let’s just see this format for what it is, a new format. Fire decks are fun as hell right now, and it doesn’t feel oppressive like Tear or Kash formats, respectively.
So if you ban Original Sin then the Diabellstar engine is straight up dead for FIRE decks so there's no reason to limit Wanted.
Which is beyond overkill. Limit Wanted and Ash first and see what happens. You’d have to run 1 Wanted and 2-3 Diabelstar and the best normal summon is now at 1.
Just like during Ishizu Tear format, the issue isn’t that the fire deck is too strong, it’s that everything else around it is too weak. Fire mirror matches are the most fun I’ve had since Ishizu Tear format with actual room for skill expression rather than the garbage of Kash/Purrley format where the game devolved into “open your counter card and immediately win.” The interaction from fire decks is perfect and way better than the negate boards you see decks like Mannadium does. The game is actually interactive again like in Ishizu Tear format. We just have the same issue again where there’s not enough decks on par with this to actually have a balanced format. I’d rather see more decks brought up to the same level as Snake Eyes or Ishizu Tear rather than regressing back to garbage like Kashtira.
@@dariuspenner2528 Ash is nice for SE, and it searches everything Original summons. Hitting the free summon from deck is the right move. It actually makes you work of it by discarding it then reviving it with Promethean.
Limiting Wanted is terrible because SE is just 1 of the decks related to the Sinful Spoil core. Diabellze comes in the next set, and i bet we'll get 1 in every set mentioning a different Sinful Spoil.
Limiting Wanted is absolutely the right call. It’s a free search with no restrictions. Diabelstar isn’t a hard garnet either so being forced to run 2-3 copies instead of the standard 1 copy isn’t the end of the world.
Hitting Sinful Spoils Snake Eyes kills the Diabelstar engine in not just SE but every deck with a decent fire target. It’s also not something you can just limit, you’d have to ban it. Which is why making the Diabelstar engine less consistent and hitting SE in another way is ideal. Poplar ban is excessive and a limit doesn’t do enough. Ash is *the* normal summon of the deck. That in tandem with other hits to the Diabelstar engine makes the deck much more susceptible to hand traps. You don’t need to kill the ceiling, just make it easier to stop. Since righg now the deck can still play through even 2 hand traps sometimes.
@@dariuspenner2528 That free search and potential draw 1 all it can give you is a negate with Silvera if not for OSS. Also most lists run maxed out both Wanted/Diabell.
OSS is the equivilant to hitting the SHS link 1, cutting the 15 one-card combos to 6-9 while also requiring extenders instead of making your deck 40% non-engine. Ash/Poplar/Flam shouldn't be touched, while that hit in OSS will also prevent SE/Sinful from being splashed everywhere. I saw comments wanting Kirin/Garunix hit instead which is ridiculous imo, while this engine promotes only degenerate stuff in Infernoble/T.G./Synchro variants (i have them all)
SE deck can definitely be still tier 1 without OSS, Divine Temple is severely underrated. It just makes Fire King a standalone deck.
@babrad which is why you limit Wanted to cut back on the consistency of that engine. I also don’t mind that other decks can splash it. It gives a boost to decks like TG that are otherwise actual garbage and Infernoble hasn’t exactly been good without Isolde. Rogue decks can go ahead and have their splash. OSS banned outright kills that engine, whereas limiting Wanted and leaving the rest alone forces people to run more bricky cards that they’d rather search instead.
One card combos isn’t why SE is good. The deck’s ability to combo through every single hand trap aside from Shifter is why it’s good. One card combos are inherently susceptible to hand traps unless if they’re specifically designed like Circular/Wakaushi to avoid losing to them. Limit Ash and now you open it less often and can’t just Ash into Poplar. Sure you can get to it other ways, but those other ways then open you up to hand traps. Hitting Ash also makes the deck way more fragile in the grind game, which is half the reason why SE Fire King is as dominant as it is. The issue isn’t playing into the board, it’s playing into the board knowing full well you have to deal with it all over again the next turn as well because the resource loop is so tight. I’d rather hit consistency and make the deck more fragile to hand traps so a combination of lower impact hand traps like Veiler, Crow, Ash, Belle, etc. is enough to slow them down. That still lets the deck be playable without gutting the only thing making a bunch of rogue decks viable. I also hard disagree that SE would still be good without OSS. You’d have to replace 8 cards in deck if that gets banned because there’s no real reason to play the Diabelstar package at that point. There’s not enough worthwhile stuff to replace it and you’d end up with so many more games where you brick on non engine, which is reminiscent of Kashtira format and is just horrible Yugioh.
I think one thing will help is, during the next banlist they should probably limit Bonfire like ROTA, before Snake-Eye Bonfire made sense, but now with all the fire support, Bonfire’s just as good as ROTA
I have a weird idea. Ban promethian princess. From what i see every end board involves her shenanigans. Spice up the end board by getting rid of her
Not every end board. If you open Ash and Diabellstar (or Bonfire/Wanted to search them) you can end up with a 4 negates Apollousa, Baronne and Savage (and Linkuriboh). Not saying that banning Princess wouldn't do anything, it certainly would, it's just that not every end board involves her.
They hitting a deck that people are spending 1200$+ forget about. This is gonna be national format and probably continental to, so get used to.
I like? Of course not, i completely priced out of this format, my hope is that Konami have a little vision and reprint theses cards sooner than later, but they will not also...
Now for me the real discussion is that pro-players are commanding the future of yugioh, two tier 0 in what? 2 years? And some much time of kashtira completely out powering every one else, kashtira may not be on tier 0 "status quo" but in reality it was a tier 0. So in less than 2 years, three tier 0 decks is insane. And this completely take out the majority of the community from really competing with this guy's. And there's a worse thing in my opinion, this guys 10-15 of them, are training together, sharing the best tech's, the best strategies, the best decklists. They are already great players, but they enter a tournament with a overwhelming advantage over anyone else, if you look to pro-players outside of this bubble they don't make the cut so often, unfortunately is a unfair game, there's a term called "Crony capitalism" in yugioh we have a crony player-base. We need to have this discussion and how to change, but no one have the balls to do...
If it has been 8 years since the last one, then I’d say we’re probably due an emergency banlist.
I'm a NC local who will be attending the YCS in Raleigh. I do hope that by then Konami has done something about this format.
almost as if yugioh is literally the same thing when it comes to the top gameplay... spam the board, board flooded with negates because you won die roll, and opponent counts cards in hand and can't do anything concedes. repeat.
I don't think there needs to be an e ban.
Banlist wise though when it does happen, I think ash to 1 and zealantis banned is enough.
Nooooo! Not cards that I actually own!
zealantis isnt the issue. it is annoying yes but its the cards that get you there.
I made a Infernoble/Eye-Snake deck, because I like making weird deck combinations and seeing what happens.
I haven't watched the whole vid as I type this comment, but yeah, I agree. Bring back Circular back to 3!
You forgot the Emergency Banlist for SPYRAL Tier 0 format
That wasnt an emergency banlist. It came out on the first date it could. We had "no sooner then..." back then, and it did came out exactly on that date.
What I would say to hit is as follows limit wanted, limit bonfire limit poplar and limit princess. It would make 1 dd crow severely hinder the deck and make so the deck loses consistency the reason this decks are made tier 0 is mostly due to consistency most people would not say zoo had the best end board in the 2017 tier 0 format but it was the most consistent yugioh deck in the history of this game
I think straight-up increasing the pullrates for secrets and ultra would help. It's too ludicous atm trying to get any at all, when you need a x3 playset of anything and everything in secret rare
I agree with original sinful spoils - snake eye but I disagree on wanted. Literally my only reason being the card is too expensive to get hit. I think the price on cards like that guarantee it won’t get hit till re-print because $$$.
Something I think would be a good thing : ban or at least limite all pass turn cards like the last like anti spell, Nibiru or Shifter.
It's like there can be only one or rivalry, one card can destroy the opponent on his first turn... or the very first turn in Nibiru and Shifter case
The Spyral list was not a E-ban list. It did came out at the first moment it could. We had dates then. "No sooner then."
I really disagree with the of Banning OSS would instantly kill the deck, besides that I agree with the hits, i would also hit the fire king cards on top of the snake eyes hits.
Kirin being limited would be a good hit towards fire king
OSS is the whole deck. Hits around it would do nothing.
If you hit OSS, neither Snake Eyes, Fire Kings, nor Sinful Package need another hit. Hitting Kirin is absurd because without bridging into Ponix you need to hard draw into FK engine, which is completely fair on its own. We have YCS Bologna to show this off.
Wanted/Diabel will have other Sinful Spoils to interact with since this is the "lore" and we even get a new target in LeDe using Diabellze and illusion. So hitting OSS is not only a balancing move, it also promotes future sales, a win-win for Konami.
the wont hit oss as it allows the deck to have explosive plays. But banning it would not kill the deck. The deck has so many good cards. best solution is to limit ash and maybe something else
Anti-Spell is definitely gonna be limited, and to that extent, Summon Limit, also. Frankly, fire decks for the moment are gonna cook while they can, and then the Bestowed Dragons will run the ones. Gonna have to find my Trident Dragion soon so I don't have to buy another ultra rare of it.
honestly these hits wouldnt stop either version from being the best deck. Ban the floodgate though. I think people just enjoy snakes and are opting for it over other decks that could potentially win. It doesnt help that konami nerfed every other competitive deck right before this. Thats actually what makes snake eyes look good.
My main thought is "I hope Bonfire goes down in price." as I am building Ashened Volcanics. Competitive, no. Fun, very.
Can you add some stompy dinos? I have a dino-focused deck (by DL standards) that is definitely still fun when it goes off. My favorite may be the spot removal that I can work other plays with, beyond the big feet of the lot of course.
@@residentgrey Sadly dinos are a little off theme. Trying to stick to the Doom Volcano.
@@gmradio2436 You want fun, power, or theme?
@@gmradio2436 You can facilitate what you want while still being in theme...
@@residentgrey Sorry, I don't see stompy dinos fitting in this deck specifically. I am playing off the Pompeii them with Ashened and using Volcanics to represent the repeated eruption. A few flavor cards like Lava Golem. I am surprised it is not pyro. Staples like Ash Blossom have been completely dropped. Now I need to get my card list under 50.
Limit/semi-limit Ash and/or hit the diabellestar engine, attacking sinful spoils snake eyes is fine too but I wouldn’t ban it imo. Personally don’t believe in completely killing decks and banning sinful spoils snake eyes essentially does that. Would rather hit the consistency of the engine like limiting/semi-limiting ash and/or hitting the main Diabellestar engine.
Komoney will not poor water (yes, pun intended) on the year of fire.
I'd hit Snake-Eye Ash over Wanted, especially if you ban Original Sinful (which makes Diabellstar much weaker, Snake-Eye decks can still use her for a negate with Betrayal, which is fine). Limiting Ash means they often have to play into Droll to get going with Bonfire, or play more extenders to get deck access. Might be overkill though since the Original hit would do a huge number on the Deck.
I think the problem is that we're basically in a Branded situation where they're heavily pressured not to hit the deck for marketing reasons.
I just wanna say Rota is at 1, shouldn’t fire rota be at 1 too. Or counter idea we put Rota to 3 xD
A completely sensible decision.
Wish that's how konami's brains worked, too!
If they make rota a once per turn then I agree with putting it to 3
Going from a diverse meta to this is so depressing
"Konami hit a lot of floodgates people weren't even playing"
No, people were siding those three cards constantly depending on which deck they played. Those floodgates benefit them and hurt their opponent depending on the matchup. Which is exactly why Anti-Spell needs to get hit. Maybe even Summon Limit too once people start abusing that.
Ban gimmick puppet nightmare, that lock is ridiculous and shouldnt be enabled
No, it's Albion.
@darknessnaxxion yeah wasnt talking about albion tho, was i?
@@HuhJuhWuh No, but Albion is why it’s a problem.
We have a Cryston halqui situation otherwise.
@@HuhJuhWuh the real issue is Sanctifire not summoning to the opponent's field with the effect negated. Triggering Albaz that way was an awesome thought, but as it is Sanctifire limits future card design overall. Puppet is a self-lock and not something design to hinder the opponent like Artifact Scythe.
@darknessnaxxion nobody plays gimmick puppets, its not really comparable to noodlefiber
As an old player I feel like this is the first time (for a modern deck) I'd say keep the deck as is and get the rest up to speed. I like the way it interacts, maybe needs a bit of tuning down, but not a huge hit.
I'm hopeful every meta relevant deck will be similarly designed in the future.
The past years have been less enjoyable compared to this. If not for the price point I'd be playing it, but now I just play salamangreat and budget snake-eyes volcanics.
It's been a blast.
I do like your vids but Australia does exist and our YCS is 2nd weekend in March this year (Normally it’s mid January) I know we aren’t as large as most American venues and tournaments have. It would be nice to make reference to us here from at least 1 YugiTuber haha
6:46 imo this could go to 1 and it would be fine, I agree with the wanted limit. Ban promethian princess, not likely to happen since it just released but without the promethian it hits all fire strategies at once and tbh promethian princess just lowers skill ceiling of games, summon 3 monsters summon promethian then summon anything basically from grave along with interruption it’s pretty obvious what the problem card is
the bigger problem with the overall "strength" of this deck is outside of the "3 of" cards most of the engine is just 1 of monsters that don't care what kind of interaction that you use, which is the same reason why Tear was so good didn't matter what you did it could just churn out more then your handtraps can eat up and that's the honestly it's the flaw in the game has as it has been so far.
And since it only has the at most "1 ofs" for alot of the engine you can cram in so much non-engine interuptions that its like "ok so can you play thru 4 points of interaction" and eat thru there turn instead..
So short of doing a old yeller like they did with Tear (with most of the ishizu gone you could probably let up on the leash a bit) I don't think this is gonna go anywhere
Alot of deck's just honestly need the same strength of in archtype support and not get kneecapped (like airlifter was) by konami to push sales of new product...
As much as i think a banlist is needed. Im not somone that wants to always want banlists to solve the meta game sometimes we just need to deal with the bad period. Yugioh players will complain about whatever the format is. The foramt prior to phnm was very good and open.
The best way to deal with this is similar to what they did with tear they need to give the deck a good period of time to be played. As people have spent a lot of money on the deck. However, hopefully they can find a way to hit the deck keeping it the best deck but just reducing it power so more decks can be played. The main solution to this problem is for konami to give use more solution to decks. or to make the gap between deck less.The need to make rogue decks better and stop giving the best decks everything
Like why the hell is princes generic, doesnt negate what it summons, doesnt banish itself when it brings itslef back from grave and is only a continues restiction to fires. I thought we would of learned this with gaurdgradons.
This is tough
Personally i feel like the format need maybe two ycs's to see what happens before and emergency banlist
But i think depending on how dominant the fire decks become in those next two events will determine direct hits or indirect but still useful
Kind of hoping that if we get an e banlist they just decide to semi limit dibellstar or wanted but give time for the people who bought these expensive cards to use them
Didn't spyral get an emergency list after being dominated?
Zoo got an emergency banlist on June 12 2017. But that was for the Norden variant.
None of those were emergency banlists. The lists came out on the date mentioned. We had "no sooner then x date" back then.
The truth is it doesn’t end until either poplar, snake eyes ash or flamberge are banned. There a thousand consistency spells that came before used
I still don't understand why 3v3 don't have a shared deck building rule. If all three of your decks could just be one deck with a sideboard, it feels like a missed opportunity to force people to make interesting build decisions.
I'm not the only one who thinks Promethean Princess is probably the single most banworthy card in the deck, right? She's a FIRE-locked Summon Sorceress who also summons herself AND pops a card as an interrupt from the GY, it's ridiculous.
Move 4. Take the Yugioh license away from Konami and give it back to Bandai Namco.
If anything is going to be hit. It’s definitely going to be Fire King related that’ll be the first casualty. If not then Ash and Original Sinful Spoils - Snake Eye is the first to be hit
I don't see them hitting anything out of AGOV/MAZE/PHNI that is a Ultra and above tbh. (Financial Reason)
Maybe the Anti-Spell hit is something, but that's not the main problem of this format. Maybe hitting SE Ash to 1 or 0, but then again, you just hit consistency and that's it (Maybe losing Ash would make the deck too weak? I can't really say, I think it would still be playable with 3 Bonfire, 1-3 Original, Poplar, Wanted Engine and Prosperity). An E-List could be good, but I just don't see it. Konami didn't do anything in Tear 0 Format so why would they now?
Ycs Sydney is less than a month after ycs Vegas btw. That ycs has hit max capacity as far as I know so it should have over 2000 players. It’s the first single person ycs of the year. Also banning original basically invalidates diabellstar since it has nothing good to set and is no longer a starter. Also I think they should just ban anti spell, it’s just imperial order 2.0
The cards just released they won't make their new hot set unsellable
They won't the cards causing issue are the ones making them money